Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Mar 13 2026

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Daily Review with Clay and Buck – March 13, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dive deep into the week’s explosive headlines in news, politics, and culture. The show opens with the latest on the string of terror attacks attributed to Islamic extremism across multiple states, the rapidly unfolding conflict with Iran, and political turbulence surrounding the California governor’s race. They welcome GOP candidate Steve Hilton for a blistering conversation on California’s future, fraud, and taxes. The final segment features a lively interview with actor and filmmaker Daniel Roebuck, exploring Hollywood’s culture and his new faith-based film, "The Hail Mary."

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

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1. Terror Attacks and National Security (00:02 - 07:47)

• Recent Terror Attacks: Clay recaps four recent attacks in the U.S. (Virginia, Michigan, Austin TX, New York City) all motivated by Islamic fundamentalism, noting the rising frequency amid ongoing conflict with Iran.
• Media and Political Response: Buck critiques mainstream media and Democrats for focusing more on “white supremacy” as the chief terror threat, despite evidence to the contrary.
  • “[The media will] remind us that while all the terrorist attacks that are actually happening are Islamic radicals, the real threat... remains white supremacy.” – Buck (03:32)
• Perceived Ideological Blindness: Buck argues that leftist politicians conflate race and ideology, ignoring the reality that “Islam is an ideology; it's not a skin color.”
• Iranian Regime’s Status: Clay and Buck discuss Iran’s weakened leadership following U.S. and Israeli strikes, mentioning reports that the new so-called Supreme Leader is wounded and the regime's lack of legitimacy.
  • “The not so supreme leader is wounded and likely disfigured... I think you know why.” – Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, audio clip (06:17)
• No Regime Change Expected: Buck believes that while the Iranian regime is “defanged” temporarily, "regime change" isn't imminent due to absence of an uprising and no U.S. boots on the ground.

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2. War Strategies and Oil Politics (07:47 - 15:06)

• Editorials and Elite Opinions: Clay references a Wall Street Journal op-ed by prominent Democrat lawyer David Boies, who advocates for the U.S. operation in Iran and bipartisanship.
• Military Options Discussion: The hosts debate the prospect of the U.S./Israel seizing Iran’s key oil-processing Carg Island, which could cripple Iran’s oil exports.
  • “If you are talking about almost a billion barrels of oil a year there… if you have a choke point for Iranian oil exports because they can't refine it, they ain't selling it.” – Buck (13:36)
• Limits of Airstrikes: Buck again stresses that “there’s a hard red line on boots on the ground,” outlining the limits of air power for influencing regime change.

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3. California Politics & Interview with Steve Hilton (17:20 - 32:02)

• Steve Hilton for Governor: Steve shares the story behind his headline-grabbing “MAGA beard,” a light-hearted preface to an intense critique of state governance.
• Systemic Corruption Allegations: Steve claims massive hospice/medical fraud in California is rooted in political corruption, not mere incompetence, alleging that union and health care money cyclically supports Democratic incumbents.
  • “It's not neglect, it's not incompetence, it's corruption... the brazen, shameless theft of our money... is just unbelievable.” – Steve Hilton (19:49)
• Election Mechanics: Hilton explains California’s “top two” jungle primary and stresses Republican voters should consolidate support behind him to prevent a split that could lead to two Democrats in the general election.
• Gas Prices and Resource Policy: He highlights California’s paradoxical oil policy: despite vast reserves, the state imports 80% of its oil due to environmental regulations, resulting in artificially inflated gas prices.
  • “Gavin Newsom and the Democrats are four times as destructive as war in the Middle East… in California when it comes to gas.” – Steve Hilton (26:32)
• Reviving the ‘California Dream’: Steve expresses his belief in California’s capacity to rebound by reining in government and unleashing entrepreneurial dynamism.
  • “California means to America what America means to the world. It represents all the great virtues and strengths and beauty of our nation.” – Steve Hilton (30:16)

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4. Blue-to-Red State Migration & Tax Exodus (33:17 - 47:58)

• Fleeing High-Tax States: Clay details the accelerating exodus of high earners from progressive states such as California, Illinois, New York, and Washington, highlighting proposed wealth and estate taxes as a major driver.
• Political Implications: He predicts this migration will make red states "redder," bolster their services through increased tax bases, and initiate a realignment of national political and economic power.
  • “As money moves into these new states... everything’s going to get better. And as money moves out... everything’s going to get worse.” – Clay (47:10)
• Culture Shifts: Both hosts lament wealthy liberals who flee but don’t speak out against failed policies and warn about the risk of newcomers importing old political habits.
• Notable Quote: “If you left California for Austin and you still think that you should do California stuff in Austin while surrounded by the rest of Texas, you are an imbecile and you are ruining the community you have moved to.” – Buck (41:18)

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5. Hollywood, Faith, and Culture: Interview with Daniel Roebuck (49:43 - 64:15)

• Spotlight on “The Hail Mary”: Actor/director Daniel Roebuck joins to discuss his new faith-based comedy about redemption, purpose, and football, inspired by his own Catholic upbringing.
• Memories from “The Fugitive”: Daniel shares behind-the-scenes stories, revealing that the cast doubted the film’s success during production.
  • “When we made The Fugitive, I'm not kidding, I heard Harrison Ford say, ‘Ugh, this is going to be my Hudson Hawk.’ We had no idea.” – Daniel Roebuck (52:16)
• Hollywood’s Political Monolith: Daniel and the hosts agree that “the crew” is often much more ideologically diverse than Hollywood’s leadership, but industry blacklisting remains a risk.
• Importance of Independent and Faith-Based Films: Daniel encourages listeners to support alternatives to mainstream Hollywood by seeing movies like “The Hail Mary” and seeks to demonstrate cultural demand for these projects.
  • “The only way we can get Hollywood to change... is if someone sees that, huh, I can maybe make money from that.” – Daniel Roebuck (63:23)
• Closing Moment: “Our culture is fast slipping down into a vast nothingness... we got to keep making these smaller movies.” – Daniel Roebuck (61:23)

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• “[The media will] remind us that while all the terrorist attacks that are actually happening are Islamic radicals, the real threat... remains white supremacy.” – Buck Sexton (03:32)
• “The not so supreme leader is wounded and likely disfigured... It's a mess for them. Who's in charge? Iran may not even know.” – Pete Hegseth via audio clip (06:17)
• “It's not neglect, it's not incompetence, it's corruption... the brazen, shameless theft of our money... is just unbelievable.” – Steve Hilton (19:49)
• “Gavin Newsom and the Democrats are four times as destructive as war in the Middle East… in California when it comes to gas.” – Steve Hilton (26:32)
• “California means to America what America means to the world. It represents all the great virtues and strengths and beauty of our nation.” – Steve Hilton (30:16)
• “As money moves into these new states... everything’s going to get better. And as money moves out... everything’s going to get worse.” – Clay Travis (47:10)
• “If you left California for Austin and you still think that you should do California stuff in Austin... you are an imbecile and you are ruining the community you have moved to.” – Buck Sexton (41:18)
• “When we made The Fugitive, I'm not kidding, I heard Harrison Ford say, ‘Ugh, this is going to be my Hudson Hawk.’ We had no idea.” – Daniel Roebuck (52:16)
• “The only way we can get Hollywood to change... is if someone sees that, huh, I can maybe make money from that.” – Daniel Roebuck (63:23)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:02 – Opening, recap of terror attacks and war with Iran
• 06:17 – Secretary of War Pete Hegseth’s Iran regime update (audio clip)
• 17:20 – Interview: Steve Hilton, CA governor’s race corruption & energy
• 26:32 – California gas prices and energy policy discussion
• 33:17 – Blue state tax exodus, political migration dynamics
• 41:18 – Buck’s blunt warning to migrating liberals
• 49:43 – Interview: Daniel Roebuck on “The Hail Mary” and Hollywood
• 52:16 – Behind the scenes of “The Fugitive” (Roebuck)
• 61:23 – Roebuck’s commentary on cultural decline and indie films

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Episode Takeaways

• Rising security threats and persistent political spin dominate the national conversation, with both hosts skeptical of official narratives from the media and the left.
• The California gubernatorial race is a sharp example of entrenched corruption, waste, and the red-vs-blue divide over taxes and regulation.
• Mass migration of wealth and business is reshaping the nation’s political and economic landscape.
• Grassroots entertainment and culture still have a chance when audiences support independent and faith-friendly cinema, as highlighted by guest Daniel Roebuck’s journey.

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This episode serves as both a rallying call for political engagement and a message of hope for cultural renewal, blending critical analysis, humor, and candid conversation.

Transcript

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This is an iHeart podcast.

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Guaranteed Human welcome in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton Show. Both from Florida, although opposite ends of the state. I am on the panhandle. Buck is down in South Florida as spring break 2026 arrives in the Travis household. Pray for me gonna have a bunch of 18 year olds, my son and several of his friends down for spring breakfast with dad as chaperone. So we will see how that goes. But that is officially underway and we've got a lot to update you on. Yet another early morning press conference from Secretary of War Pete Hegseth laying out all the particulars that is dominating discussion as we begin the day here on the Friday edition of the program. We're going to go out to California at the top of the next hour just to give you a heads up. The primary in California is getting closer and closer. Closer Steve Hilton, Republican candidate there. The top two advance regardless of party. We will discuss all of that. And what is a free for all absolute donnybrook that has broken out in California? What is the latest there on who might be the next governor to replace Gavin Newsom? But Buck, I think we began where we basically ended yesterday's show with the news coming of it officially, as we told you, it was likely to be having been yet another terror attack. Two different terror attacks happening yesterday. One in Virginia at Old Dominion. We'll get into some of the details there. Brave ROTC students were able to disarm and kill the would be terrorist with their bare hands and that is pretty remarkable. We will talk about it. One loss of life there. We will certainly honor that loss of life as well. In West Bloomfield, Michigan just outside of Detroit, a clear attempted terror attack. A good guy with a gun ended it and took and killed the life of the would be terrorist. But, but coming on the heels of Austin, Texas where a guy in an Iran shirt and a a pro Islam sweatshirt on top of that killed two innocent people and wounded several others. You then have the situation in New York City where two would be ISIS sympathizers tried to throw IEDs outside of Gracie Mansion in New York City, which fortunately did not go off. And now we are sitting here with Austin, Texas, New York City or Old Dominion University in Virginia and just outside of Detroit in Michigan, four different Muslim fundamentalist motivated terror attacks in the space of about two weeks. It feels unlikely to me that this is the end of it, Buck. And you joined the CIA some time ago specifically to help catch the bad guys after 9 11. So you are particularly well versed in this. What is Your reaction now that we have what we suggested was likely to be the case, but now have complete confirmation that all four of these attacks have the same motive in place as the war in Iran continues. What would CIA analyst Buck Sexton be doing this morning if he was in Langley?

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Well, I think we can count on the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, and others to remind us that while all the terrorist attacks that are actually happening are Islamic radicals, the real threat of terrorism in this country remains white supremacy. That's the real.

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Which is.

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Is.

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Was the focal point of Biden's presidency was arguing the biggest danger that we all face, for those of you who have forgotten, constantly gave us multi years of that argument.

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And I just think that we're one Islamic jihadist. Or I guess that's kind of repetitive because all jihadists are Islamic. But. But one jihadist terror attack away from some guy, instead of yelling Allahu Akbar before he hits the plunger on the suicide vest, maybe he'll scream out the real terrorist threat is white supremacy. Kaboom. I just wonder at what point the Democrats will have to reassess. Reassess the big white supremacist threat. By the way, per capita is also something that tends to challenge the left and Democrats tremendously. They have no understanding of this whatsoever. They compare the overall threat of Islamic terrorism and the overall threat of white supremacist terrorism in this country. They also always leave out there are 5 million, 6 million Muslims in the country, maybe 7 million, something like that. I don't even know how many white people there are. 150 million, 180 million. I don't even know. So the fact that you're even having a conversation about where is the real threat of. And I just want to be very clear, there are jihadists who are white. It's actually not about race at all. But the Democrats don't understand that. They have no, you know, remember the guy who was captured was fighting for the Taliban. Like that can happen too. Islam is an ideology. It's not a skin color. It's not a race. They always try to conflate those things because they know that if they can make it about racism, well then everyone's, oh, my gosh, it's not racism. It's about an ideology. Okay? No one's sitting here saying, you, you know what the real threat of terrorism is Right now, all the Buddhists in America, oh my gosh, I'm so scared of them. Has nothing to do with skin color. Has to do with ideology. And this is exactly what you would expect after, remember, it's not just American strikes on Iran. It is American, Israeli strikes, American slash and Israeli strikes on Iran. And so the fact that Israel is just blowing up Iranian stuff left and right too, that really sets off the jihadi community. And looking at the Iran situation, Clay, today, I know Hexa talked about it. We have some more. Well, you know what? Here, let's, let's have here Secretary War. This is cut one. The not so supreme leader, he says of Mujtaba Lil Mo, as Clay calls it. This is cut one. Play it.

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Iran's leadership is in no better shape. Desperate and hiding. They've gone underground, cowering. That's what rats do. We know the new so called not so supreme leader is wounded and likely disfigured. He put out a statement yesterday, a weak one actually, but there was no voice and there was no video. It was a written statement. He called for unity. Apparently killing tens of thousands of protesters is his kind of unity. Iran has plenty of cameras and plenty of voice recorders. Why a written statement? I think you know why. His father dead, he's scared, he's injured, he's on the run and he lacks legitimacy. It's a mess for them. Who's in charge. Iran may not even know.

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Now, this is on the good side of things, Clay, that we're just, there's no military counterpunch from Iran whatsoever. The concerning side of this or the side of this, I think everybody needs to understand as well. The Iranians, he said this. The Iranian leadership now they're fully hiding under in bunkers and they're not meeting in any kind of consolidated place and they're just going to ride this thing out. And there's no opposition taking to the streets. So the regime is not changing.

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Everyone.

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The regime is not changing. We just have a defanged, temporarily Iranian regime. Maybe they'll have a different approach to the next round of negotiations. But I do not see regime change happening here. Now, some of you will be, I think, happy with that because it also means no US Boots on the ground and a limited mission.

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Clay, I read this morning, getting ready for the show, a couple of different angles that I thought were super interesting that we could dive into a little bit later in the program. One David Boies, who is probably the foremost trial attorney, who is a Democrat in terms of intellectual heft and success in the country, whatever you think about his politics, wrote a great editorial in the Wall Street Journal saying Democrats need to stop reflexively being opposed to President Trump, that it's actually a really good thing that we went into Iran. And he lays out a very strong argument, I thought. And. And I was impressed that he did it. Did you. Did you see this? Because I do think it's a little bit of an interesting, Interesting shift. You don't.

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I think you have more respect for Boys because of his lawyer success than I tend to, given that he served as a board member and counsel for Theranos, the fraudulent blood testing company, and basically threatened to go after Wall Street Journal reporters who were trying to unearth that Theranos was a giant fraud. So he. He got taken in by that whole thing, I guess.

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But every. Everybody did, it seems if you go read that book, Bad Blood, it's one of the best books that's been written in a long time.

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But remember, Boys is like the bad guy who shows up in the Wall Street Journal's offices and is like, everything we've done, everything Theranos did, is on the up and up. We're going to go after you. So I'm just saying, to be fair, you're being very nice about this guy. That's a pretty sketchy.

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I would want the most zealous advocate possible. And I think that's what he sees his role as lawyer.

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Clay, look, you could represent the head of the mob. And Clay's like, hey, everybody needs counsel.

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Hey, everybody needs. In fact, there's news that's just gone out. I put my money where my mouth is. Laura and I have made a big donation to Vanderbilt Law School that is predicated on the idea that every different perspective, because a lot of conservative perspectives are ridiculed in the law right now, should be taught in law school, and that lots of people who are military should have the ability, when they finish their service, to go get a law degree. So we're putting our money where our mouth is on this so that we have zealous advocacy. So putting aside that argument, here's something I think that is interesting that is starting to be floated as well. The idea that Little Mo that is the son of obviously the ayatollah who was killed, that actually we are negotiating with different elements of Iran that are more moderate. I'm curious if you would buy this. And inside of Iran, they are using this guy who may not even be able to speak based on the significant injuries that have occurred to him. And Hegseth laid out, they didn't put a video, they didn't even have audio of his statement that they released yesterday that they are using him as a figurehead to make it seem like the revolutionary elements of Iran are still in a position of strength, but that in reality there are back channel negotiations going on and we might be setting up some form of relationship there. Do you buy it? Does CIA analyst Buck buy this guy's son being the figurehead who's incapable of communication and very few people know it? And there are other individuals who now have risen to power that are interacting with the US that is one theory that is out there.

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I hope that's true. I would bet a large sum of money that that ends up not being the case. I think, unfortunately, we've done everything that can be done from the sky and there's a hard red line on boots on the ground. And I think it's the right red line to be clear. I agree with that red line. And there's a limit to what you can do from the air. And the Iranians have no. Now, they got sucker punched a bit on this. They were not obviously putting all their leadership together. They didn't expect that we would hit them when we did. They didn't expect to get hit in daylight. They didn't expect all of this. So that was pretty incredible. And they didn't know that we knew so much about where they would be. That all said, though, this is the, these are the limitations of what you can do when you don't control the ground and we don't control the ground and the IRGC is still the security apparatus in that country. And nobody wants to be the first one to poke their head out their door, be like, you know, maybe we could do something different here because your head's not going to stay on your shoulders. That's the concern.

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The other suggestion that I have seen is that we should take the island with boots on the ground, Delta Force style, where they actually produce all the oil and, and just take control of their ability to produce oil. Because this is kind of crazy. Iran is continuing to produce oil and

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you're talking about grabbing Carg Island. I mean, that's, that's some pretty next level stuff. If we were.

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That is. I was doing all my reading, Buck. I was trying to prepare myself, like, what are the different angles?

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You're going deep onto this one.

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I will, I'm fascinated by it. I don't have the background of knowledge that you do. So I'm trying to read as much as I can. And there's an idea out there that Israeli and U.S. special forces could seize the island of oil production and basically end any ability of Iran to have control over the ingress or egress of oil, not dissimilar in some ways to what we did with Venezuela, but just take control of this island and say, hey, we now are the captain of the Iranian oil ship and we determine everything. Because it's kind of crazy to me, Buck. I didn't realize Iran has continued to refine and be shipping oil even as we have been attacking them. I think that would surprise a lot of people.

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I mean, Carg island is essentially where all of the processing of oil. Remember there's, you'll hear these things and I know that some of you are listening to this are like, I've been an oil man for 40 years, Buck. Like you know a lot more than me. And sorry, I'm just assuming the oil men are in Texas. Pardon me, but I know there's other places, but you know, there's some of you that know this stuff backwards and forwards. But when you hear things like heavy crude and sweet crude and all this different stuff, this, it has to be refined for it to be usable in the marketplace, right? It's not just like it pumps out of the ground and it goes right into a car. And 90% of of car of Iranian oil is processed at Carg Island. And you're talking about almost a billion barrels of oil a year there, right? So if you are, you don't have to stop the oil from being pumped out of the ground, nor do you have to touch the oil infrastructure that does that. Which would be a very, very bad idea to have essentially a total choke point for Iranian oil exports because they can't refine it, they ain't selling it. This is why the same way 100%.

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And this is why I think in addition to not wanting to give away strategic operational goals, this is why boots on the ground doesn't necessarily mean tens of thousands of troops. It could mean not only on this card island, but also on some of the nuclear mountainous terrain that you might have to go into. It could mean elite commando style raids with boots on the ground. That is very different than what we saw, for instance in Iraq.

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play and Buck goes. Right now we're joined by Steve Hilton. He's running for governor in California. Steve, always great to have you our friend, but we gotta dive into something before we get into all the policy and all the seriousness. It seems that you sir, are sporting a Clay Travis style beard and I just want to say that the people of America have spoken. They are they are fans of your salt and pepper beard. I I'm a slightly different generation than you and Clay, so my beard doesn't quite have the gravitas of all that silver quite yet, but I think it looks very distinguished on you and Clay and so I'M a proponent, okay?

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So I got to tell you the story. And it's got a good ending, so it's totally accidental. We're away for Thanksgiving last November, and I was just lazy and I didn't shave. And the first day back, I had some really early TV hit like Fox and Friends or something, and I thought I just didn't have the time or the energy to shave. As I went on, assuming I'd get all this feedback saying, you're so scruffy, why didn't you clean up? Quite the opposite. A bunch of nice messages about the beard, which really wasn't a beard. At that point, I thought I'd try it out on the road in California. I took a poll at every event that I did. Overwhelmingly positive. And here. And then there are two moments that I thought, I gotta stick with this. Number one, I did Don Junior's podcast. And, you know, I've known Dom for many years, and he came on with on the Zoom, and the first thing he said was, hey, man, love the Maga beard. I don't know, is that a thing? The maga beard? And then here's the one that I think you'll enjoy. I just got a text from a good friend of mine who's supporting me, a legend, James Woods. The legendary James woods texted me last week and said, this is it. It gives you exactly the right amount of gravitas. I really think you can win this now. So, I mean, it's staying.

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You're like the Dos Equis guy with a British accent. So I think that this is. This is a strong. This is a strong play for you. We support it. But now let's get into this, because we've talked about the governor thing. We're going to talk to you about that more. You got to tell us what's going on here with the most recent fraud revelations in your state. Obviously, all the Democrats in charge, obviously Newsom, asleep at the Wheeler, probably, you know, doesn't even care about the fraud hospices. What do we know about the hospice fraud?

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Well, the first thing to bear in mind is this is not neglect or incompetence. This is corruption. Because the reason that all this fraud has gone on in California and our estimate. So remember, just to take a few steps back, I set up last year, in the wake of the Minnesota revelations, a whistleblower line here in California called califraud.com and we've had thousands of tips coming in. And then earlier this year, we set up caldoge, which is now up and running. Obviously, we're not elected yet, so it's not an official thing, but we've got many volunteers going through the books finding the fraud, and we're publishing these fraud reports. And one of the main areas that we got tips for was in this medical space because it's just huge amounts of money and it's. And the reason it's corrupt is if you look at the donations to Democrat politicians in California and you look at the categories, and Gavin Newsom is a useful proxy. He's been running statewide in California for 16 years. The number one category of his donors, government unions. Number two, trial lawyers. Number three, private sector unions. Number four, health care, healthcare. They're making money off of this and they are. And Gavin Newsom is the puppet of these people who are doing the fraud. And that's why this goes on. It's not neglect, it's not incompetence, it's corruption. And the scale of it is just unbelievable. And the brazen, shameless theft of our money to put in the pockets of these scammers that then give money donations to Gavin Newsom and the other Democrats is just unbelievable. But the good news is we're now, and it's not just us. You had various people now really investigating it. You've got the Federal Action JD Leading that. It's really going to come to an end, especially when I'm elected in November and we're going to just stop all this in its tracks. Last point I'd make is I'm putting together a slate, a team of candidates running with me statewide in California. That's never been done before. In the governor's race, a very important position is the state controller. And the state controller has the power to audit every organization receiving state money and to turn off the supply of money, literally to stop the money flowing. And there's a fantastic guy called Herb Morgan running with me. We're working very closely together. If, you know, we can really change this big time if we are elected this year.

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Okay, last hour I saw that this moron, Eric Swalwell is right now potentially going to be favored as the Democrat. I don't know what I'll have to do. If you are running against Alex Eric Swalwell, but there has to be 40 IQ points at least that separate you from Eric Swalwell. I want to put out the call up and down width and breadth of California right now. The election is when, when can people start voting for you? And I think, again, a lot of people don't understand this California Has, I think it's called a jungle primary. Right. The top two, regardless of party advance. So explain all the rules, tell people how to vote. What do they need to know, because we are getting close to ballots being headed out.

[C]

Exactly right. Clay, thank you. Listen, this top two system is ridiculous. Obviously we should get rid of it, but we got it and so we got to play by these rules. For the last year or so, you've seen a kind of clown car situation on the Democrat side. Nine or ten candidates, none of all of them incredibly unimpressive machine politicians and hacks and ridiculous people. And they've been dividing up the vote. And as a result of that, in a lot of these polls, I've been leading and there's one other Republican who we'll get to in a second. Often we've been the top two. But I said all along it's not going to stay that way because the Democrat machine is going to get behind one of their candidates. The unions, in particularly the government unions. They will want their puppet that they control. And that is what is happening right now. And that's why you're seeing Eric Swalwell move up and up. And I think that that will continue. The big unions are going to be endorsing in the next few weeks. The teachers, the seiu, the Nancy Pelosi machine is going to get behind him, I think. And so I think you're going to see him really advance. Now. Right now, as of this morning, the Real Clear Politics average of all the polls in California, there's a bunch of these Democrats below 7%. You've got Katie Porter at 10%, you've got Tom Steyer and the other Republican, chad Bianco, at 11%, Eric Swalwell at 13, and I'm on 15 and a half. So that's the good news. On the average, I'm still ahead. But you're right, there was a poll this week, first time, that showed Eric Swalwell in the lead. A real poll. It was a proper, serious poll. And so we got to take this seriously. The election is June 2nd. Ballots go out May the second. We're really weeks away now from this election kicking off. The most important thing to understand is that if we split the Republican vote, it's not only that you're going to get Eric Swalwell, you're probably going to get Eric Swalwell and Tom Steyer, the billionaire climate fanatic, he has already spent $70 million just in the last few weeks, a few months, and that's moving him up in the polls. And because of this top two system, you don't need a huge percentage to make it into the general election because there's so many candidates. So I can see a situation where we've got, you know, like, I don't know what to even make of that. Steyer versus Swallow. What a joke. But if you get behind one Republican candidate and I'm the leading Republican, and there's a lot of issues with the other guy, Chad Bianco, he took a knee for blm. He says crazy things on immigration. He's basically for amnesty on immigration. You can't have him. And so this is the moment for every Republican to get serious about this, get behind the leading Republican candidate, and then I will be guaranteed to be in the top two, because that's how the math will work. And then it's a whole new fight and we'll take it to whoever the Democrats put up.

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Speaking of Steve Hilton, he's running for governor and he's telling us all about how this race is critical, but also winnable in his estimation, in his math. And, and Stephen, to that end, I saw a lot of people are focused in on gas prices right now for obvious reasons. But your state is always the punching bag. You know it for the rest of the country of you see how high the gas prices are there. So, yes, Iran has everyone, oh, my gosh, what are gas prices going to do? I think it's going to be fine, by the way, but everyone's a little freaked out. And then in California, it's, well, your gas prices, it's like there's always an oil embargo somewhere because California's gas prices are crazy. You recently said to gas execs, don't give up on the state of California. I don't even think people realize that California has a gas, an oil and gas industry. Can you speak to that a bit? And what you're hoping could happen that

[C]

you become governor, it's an, it's an amazing situation. Again, just the lunacy of these Democrat ideologues, these climate fanatics. Incredible. First of all, let's look at the numbers. So the temporary spike, and it's obviously temporary. Everyone knows that in the gas price since the Iran war, which is what, about 50 cents average nationwide? Right. In California, you look at the average, it's $2 higher than the rest of the country. So it's a very simple way of putting it. Gavin Newsom and the Democrats are four times as destructive as war in the Middle east for California when it comes to Gas. The point about California is we have abundant oil and gas reserves in our state, mainly in Kern County. But now a huge reserve has been discovered offshore in California. Offshore. There's a reserve there which is considered to be the second biggest in America. The nature behind the Permian Basin. We have massive oil and gas reserves. Right now. We are importing In California nearly 80% of the oil that we use. It used to be the opposite. Most of our oil and gas are we produced in state. So what are these insane Democrats now doing? In the name of climate? They are shipping oil halfway around the world on giant super tankers spewing out carbon emissions because they think it's part of their war on fossil fuels. We're not using any less fossil fuel in California. We're just importing it. It's insane. That's the reason that the refineries are closing down, because the refineries were built to refine California crude oil. The supply of that has been dropping year by year with their war on the industry here in California. Now, the insane situation. I'm just with a group of energy industry folks this morning and now there's even the insane situation that the small amount that we're relatively. That we're now producing, it used to go in pipelines from Kern county to the refineries in the Bay Area and near la. One of those refineries has now. One of those pipelines has. Has now shut down because there's not enough oil to justify the business. So now what's happening, the remainder that we're producing is going on trucks. So they in again, in the name of climate, instead of a nice clean pipeline, we're now trucking it. It's so insane. Now as governor, I could reverse all of that because it's all being done through these bureaucratic agencies. CARB, the California Air Resources Board, the Energy Commission, CalGEM, the Geologic and Energy Management Agency. And it's very straightforward. As governor, I will end the war on fossil fuels. As long as we are using oil and gas in California, we're going to use California oil and gas. That will keep the refineries open, bring down the costs of import, and we're going to get to $3 gas in California. That's the first pledge I made on the campaign trail.

[B]

I think this is so important and why I think again, everybody out there listening to us right now needs to go vote for you and get you into the final two. Buck and I have talked a lot about the legacy of California. You grew up in England, grew Up in New York. I grew up in Tennessee. I remember the first time I ever got to go to California. I was 21 years old. I think I had a college roommate from California. I went to go visit and I was so excited to step foot on soil in California because of the legacy of awesomeness that we had grown up with. Buck has talked about this in New York. California, this golden shining state on a hill. Hill. It's lost. You could help to return that. But I think your experience growing up and what California meant to you still can resonate with so many Californians.

[C]

I'm 100% Clay. I love the way you put that. Look, the California dream is a real thing. You know this. And it was in my imagination too. Like even before we moved here with my wife and my sons, you know, whenever it was 2012, we moved here back in the day, I mean, people know me from Fox, obviously, but, you know, most of my career has been in business. And I worked for a while in the government in the UK for David Cameron. And when I was putting together the policy plan before he became Prime Minister in 2010, one of the Spectator magazine in the UK wrote a piece about me. This is like 20 odd years ago. And they said, and the title of the piece was the COVID story California Dreaming. And the theme of it was Steve Hilton, David Cameron's policy guru, wants to make the. Is inspired by California, wants to make the UK more like California. Well, who would want to do that today? I mean, that's how far we've fallen. But the point is that that idea of California, sometimes I put it like this. California means to America what America means to the world. It represents all the great virtues and strengths and beauty of our nation. Optimism and energy and dynamism and the kind of rebel spirit and doing your own thing that's been crushed by these years of bureaucratic, bloated, nanny state, bureaucratic government and the taxes and the spending and the bloat and the waste and the regulations crushing the soul and spirit of California. But it won't take much to really get back to that beautiful California dream because we've just got to stop the government from doing all these insane things and then people and entrepreneurs will take care of the rest of it.

[A]

Steve, bring home the W in this governor's race and don't touch that beard. All right?

[C]

All right. You got it.

[A]

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[B]

Welcome in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton SHOW final hour of the week and I just teased what I think is a significant story and I think it may be the most significant story long term that is going on right now. And by long term I mean you're going to start to see it in a significant way in the 202030 census. And it is going to change, I think much of what in terms of political power exist in this country and that is you are seeing high earners finally get fed up with left wing governance and they are fleeing California, Illinois, New York, Washington state. And I just talked about two different stories that are happening simultaneously on the left coast and the right coast of this country. Out on the left coast in Washington state they are proposing and it looks like going to pass a 9.9% yearly income tax, state income tax on anyone who makes a million dollars or more simultaneously. Buck Mamdani and I believe we have an audio cut of this is saying that he wants a 50% estate tax on estates of $750,000 or more. That's basically Buck, anybody that owns any property at all in New York City and you can own a $750,000 place in New York City and not be wealthy at all. In fact, you can struggle to even pay your bills. And some of you are going to say how is that possible? Because of the taxes and because of cost of living. Here is Mom. Donnie, talking about this. Let's listen. I believe it's cut 24.

[H]

Amidst being in the wealthiest city in the wealthiest country in the history of the world. We already see an exodus of working in middle class New Yorkers. So I don't have a hesitation in asking those who make the most amount of money in the city or the most profits in the city to pay a little bit more so that everyone can actually stay in this city. It's also something not just about justice or, or the ability for working class people to live here. It is also actually about ensuring that corporations can continue to attract the top talent to the city.

[B]

Okay, this is. It is. Let me take a step back when you look at the actual. Because I'm fired up about this, Buck. And so I want to, I want to be crystal clear on this. The data reflects that whenever you put these taxes in place, you do not get the money that you expect you're going to get because those who can avoid paying the tax and leave or find super impressive accounting to avoid paying the tax do. And so you actually end up netting less in tax because you were driving away the biggest income taxpayers. And Buck, I see it. In my neighborhood, we have moved. We have a couple of neighbors. My builder said, hey, a couple of your neighbors now are New York guys. They were just fed up with taxes. They realized during COVID hey, we can run our businesses as well from other states as we can here. Buck, in your neighborhood, there's guys coming in like crazy with big, with big wealth that are just saying, hey, whether it's Mark Zuckerberg, whether it's Peter Thiel, whether it's Howard Schultz, we could go through a whole list of people that have just said, I'm done with California, I'm done with New York, I'm done with Illinois, I'm done with Washington, I'm done with these high tax locales. And some of you out there are saying, oh, I'm so nervous. These people are like locust. What I can tell you is they're actually making the red redder. Go look at the voter rolls in Florida. Go look at the outcome in Tennessee and Texas. We are gaining a lot of super impressive, talented people. Elon Musk in Texas. Starbucks, of all places, just announced they're going to hire thousands of new people in Tennessee. Oracle is relocating to Nashville. And the people that are by and large moving into these communities and red states are actually making them redder. And Buck, this is going to be transformative on so many different levels because what it's going to do is it's going to make the low tax states have way better services. And the people that are left behind in New York and California and Illinois and Washington are going to keep getting taxed at higher rates. The tax base is going to be leaving and the resources and tax base is just going to continue to diminish. I think this is a huge story.

[A]

Again, there's two different kinds of billionaires in my mind who end up leaving. New York, California, Washington state. There's a concentration of billionaires in those places. Right. You have Silicon Valley in California, you have the Microsoft slash Starbucks, you know, tech and everything else going on in Seattle. And you had, so you have billionaires there too. And obviously a lot of billionaires in New York, but the ultra rich who moved to Florida who have always supported the insane Democrat policies and always said things like, I think we should pay more taxes and I think we should have bigger government and blah, blah, blah, all that stuff, they really tick me off. And there's a difference. You know, you have the Elon Musks and people like him and Peter Thiel has been helping the right and been on the, been on the right for a long time. So he's not, he's not like new to the game. But you have Peter Thiel, you have Elon Musk, you have people who have come forward and said the Democrat approach to governance fails. I don't want my companies to be subjected to this idiocy anymore. I'm going to Texas, I'm going to Florida. And that's great because they are telling everybody what the reality is and they are therefore a part of the solution. The challenge that I see here is people like Schultz because he's been so, you know, left wing and lib for so long. The Starbucks CEO, he's going to come on down to Florida, he's going to buy some $50 million Waterfront Place and the whole thing, and he's going to be writing checks to Democrats and he's going to be pushing the same nonsense. And you just, you know, what does it take for these people to realize, by the way, imagine this, Clay, if you had to move your company and you started off in Tennessee, so you've been good to go the whole time for a reason, right? Yeah. Imagine if you had to move your company from a state after it had been there for decades because your people are taxed too much, the crime is too high, there's crazy homeless people attacking them on public transit, et cetera, et cetera. Wouldn't you want to say something about that publicly? When you were moving to Tennessee or Florida, you know, wouldn't you want to come out and just like, have at it a little bit? No, they're just going to be like, yeah, you know, we're just keeping residences in multiple states and Schultz is going to be a Florida resident for tax purposes. I can assure you.

[B]

I will say what you're saying. First of all, of course I would run my mouth. I mean, I mean, you would.

[A]

I meant anyone would.

[B]

But I will say to her credit, the in and out owner of the burger franchise, she relocated to basically my neighborhood and she teed off on California.

[A]

She's right. But she's. She's the sane person. She's a little bit. She's a reasonable human being.

[B]

Right.

[A]

She's known as that.

[B]

I agree with you. This is what gets me so angry. If you have f you money and you aren't, what are you afraid of?

[I]

Well, this is.

[A]

If you left California for Austin and you still think that you should do California stuff in Austin while surrounded by the rest of Texas. Texas, you are an imbecile and you are ruining the community you have moved to.

[B]

This is where I think Ellen has actually created a lot of space because there are many people that agree with everything that we say inside of companies that have gone woke and every now and then they'll come up to me and they'll say, they'll whisper, they'll be like, hey, I work at insert company here and I can't tell you, you know, how many people inside of this company will sometimes share tweets or segments from your show. Like we have like a secret, you know, text chain and everybody. I get why guys that are trying to make a living, guys and gals out there that, you know, you've got a mid tier job and you got to pay tuition and you got to pay mortgage and all those things. The people that really infuriate me are the ones who could. Nobody could ever do anything to. Right. If you have $25 million in America today, the odds of anybody being able to do anything to you or your family that ever would impact. And I'm being generous at 25.

[A]

That's a lot. That's a lot.

[I]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

You know, it's less than that.

[B]

I'm saying, like they're some of the biggest cowards on the planet are super rich guys because they're afraid, oh, am I going to be able to sit on this charity benefit if I say,

[A]

when you're super rich, what do you still want, you want the approval of your peer group? Not everybody, but this is what ends up happening. You want people to think well of you who also have beachfront homes in the Hamptons and Nantucket and, and live in Bel Air and live in Malibu and, And live in Kalorama in a mansion in D.C. like you want them to. You want them to like you because everything else you already have. You're surrounded by people who kiss your butt all the time because you're paying all their bills and they need you. So what you want are the other people. You want the other rich guys and gals to say, oh, you're doing great stuff. Oh, you're invite. You're invited to the garden party. That's what this is, real human psychology. This is why these idiots, this is why you have like Alex Soros running around, the ultimate Nepo baby, who is just like a pyromaniac, lighting civilization on fire everywhere he can.

[B]

This is maybe where I'm a little bit. I don't know, there's something in my Persona like, I don't care. I genuinely don't care. I'm going to tell you exactly what I think.

[A]

You are an unusual duck. Just so you know, not everyone is. Not everyone is as throw down as you are.

[B]

But I don't, I don't get it. I don't want people to be dishonest and not say what they really think. If you think that I'm a moron, go ahead and let me have it. But it doesn't mean that I can't have a beer with you. And the idea that I can't sit on some board. Thank you. The last thing I want to be doing is sitting on a board with awful people. I don't like meetings, period. So don't even get me started on having to go to meetings for things that I wouldn't even want to be at. And so I just, I wish that there was more steel spine. Because to your point, if you are relocating across the whole country because the state has made awful decisions, I think you have an obligation to tee off on the state government that you are leaving and say, I'm leaving because you guys have done such an awful job and they're going to be a lot of job creators and a lot of wealth that follows me and actually tell the story and don't try to hide when you just relocate to Florida, Texas or Tennessee.

[A]

I got to tell you, and there was a little bit of this even when I moved down here. People in Florida who were like, you know, don't bring those New York. You know, don't bring those New York

[B]

voting patterns down here as a Tennessee. And this is something people are concerned about.

[A]

But hold on. All that concern is now the northeasterners who have moved to Florida in, you know, during COVID and after. We're like the elves who show up in Helm's Deep in the Lord of the Rings, my friends. Ok? We are the right wing of the Northeast.

[B]

More commitment. This is important.

[A]

Yeah. We have flipped Florida redder than it has ever been. We are reinforcements. We are the cavalry. We are not undermining you. What I understand from my Texas friends, I'm sure someone could call in and tell us this now, Texas, for a long time because of the tax and business climate there relative to some of the west coast states, particularly California, they've been getting fancy Californians who show up and, and, and they're making Austin bluer and bluer basically and creating and is also true in some of the other cities I think as well, certainly in Dallas. And that is a different phenomenon because the people that have flushed and the numbers speak for this. It's 1.2 million more Republicans in Florida now registered because of the migration from mostly the Northeast, but some other parts of the country too. You're welcome. Florida. We are here for.

[B]

By the way, this is where I get concerned.

[D]

Blue.

[B]

Those people who are left behind the red state, normal thinking refugees, Staten island listening to us right now in Wor, a lot of Long island, much of Westchester now where people are still sane and you know, certain pockets of, of Manhattan proper, they're going to get drowned in even more blue craziness. Because Buck, what should happen is people should look around and say these are really bad ideas that we are enabling with the election of people like mom Donnie, Brandon Johnson in, in Chicago instead they're going to double, triple and quadruple down on crazy which is going to continue to drive away even more people. And I think what's going to happen is quality of life in places like Texas, Tennessee and Florida is going to skyrocket even more than it is now in a favorable direction because the revenue is going to be better, the services are going to be better, the safety is going to be better. Your kids schools are going to be better. I'm talking about public schools. And all of that's going to be moving in the opposite direction in all of these blue places. And I think we're going to see a fundamental realignment of power as a result. Because as money moves into these new states and they have less regulation and lower taxes. Everything's going to get better. And as money moves out of New York and Illinois and California and Washington, all these places, everything's going to get worse. And we're going to see a fundamental realignment. I saw, I think it was Peter Thiel said Miami is going to replace New York City as the financial capital of the United States. I think that this is going to happen, I think within 10 years that

[A]

maybe that may be true. I think that actually is happening.

[C]

All right.

[A]

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[B]

Welcome back in Clay. Travis BUCK SEXTON show We appreciate all of you hanging out with us. And as we come up on the final 30 minutes of the program, we are excited to be joined by a guy who's having a lot of success out there in the world of culture. Movies in particular Daniel Roebuck. New film called the Hail Mary follows a disillusioned man unexpectedly rediscovers purpose, family and belief through coaching a ragtag football team at a Catholic school. Wrote, directed and stars in it Face Faith film, also a comedy. Daniel, what was it like playing a football coach? Is this an all time dream job? And tell us about the movie.

[I]

That's a great question. You know, I hate to say it, but playing a mortician in Getting Grace was maybe the dream job. That's the job I thought I'd have if I wasn't an actor. I swear that's true. Wow. Yeah. I played football up until eighth grade and was scouted for high school. Like, you know, Cause I scouted means, hey, you're tall, you're big, you're wide shouldered, you're stupid enough to get hit by guys bigger than you. Come play football. It wasn't like I was some great player, but I found the theater. I did my first play between eighth grade and high school. And I thought, you know, being in the locker room with girls is a lot better than being in the locker room with boys. A dressing room with girls. So I never made it to football. But playing the football coach was great because I did have a great coach and I've got a wife who's a bit of a tomboy. So when I was confused by some of the terminology that I didn't remember, she was always there to help me with it. That terrible.

[A]

Daniel, we want to talk about the Hail Mary, but I have to ask you because I'm a huge the Fugitive fan. I know you're in the Fugitive. I actually remember your character well in the Fugitive. My wife had never seen it and I watched it with her maybe six months ago. So I got to kind of relive that again.

[B]

How does it hold up?

[A]

Well, can I ask him a question?

[B]

I'm curious.

[A]

But for you for watching it, I was, I was going to ask him. When you're doing it, I mean, it holds up incredibly well in my opinion. But when you're doing it, were you aware that you were making one of the great. Like as you were filming that movie with Tommy Lee Jones and. And Harrison Ford, were you aware that this was going to be, in my opinion, one of the certainly 10 best thrillers of the 90s? I mean, it's a phenomenal movie.

[I]

Thank you for. For asking that. I want to begin by saying for a brief second, Buck. I thought about naming my son Buck Roebuck because there was something about the redundancy that I liked he.

[A]

Buck is hard enough as a name, so Buck Roebuck would be really an uphill climb, but nonetheless, keep going.

[I]

I named him Buster. And he's. He's so earned that name. He's such a. He's the football player of the family. Listen, when we made the Fugitive, I'm not kidding, I heard Harrison Ford say, ugh, this is going to be my Hudson Hawk. We had no idea.

[B]

But he thought it was going to be awful.

[I]

Yeah, yeah. You guys, you, we. Because they kept re. Re fixing the plot and changing it, rewriting it, all the dialogue. We said, you guys know that all that stuff between the marshals was, was improvised, then memorialized, then we shot it. So none of that dialogue was in the movie. Except for actually, Buck, where I say, this is hanky. Why would he come in here?

[A]

That word before. Because of your line in that movie. I've been like, that's hanky. That's a great line.

[I]

It's hanky. So we didn't know. But, you know, I'm like you and I think it's interesting. It's the one thing I miss now about how you could turn a TV on. You know, you get done mowing the lawn or whatever you're doing, you're like, I'm just going to take an hour for myself. You turn TV on and the Sting would be on, or the Great Escape or Jaws. And you could watch it at any point in the story because you love the story and you knew the story and you. It was like a familiar thing. I am honored that the Fugitive is one of those movies. And I agree, it is. It's kind of a timeless, really great, fast paced movie.

[A]

It was a movie that when my wife, when my wife Daniel said she hadn't seen it, I was like, top of the list. We're watching the Fugitive next time we have a, you know, husband, wife movie night when the baby's asleep early enough. And she thought it was excellent too, of course. I mean, I think it's for a thriller, it's a 10 out of 10. It's totally. What you said, totally watchful at any point. But that is fascinating to me that, because I've heard the other thing. I've heard actors making a movie, like apparently the guys, when they were doing Ghostbusters, for example, I know, very different movie. But as soon as they wrapped, they were like, this is going to be amazing. Like they kind of knew. And it's amazing to hear that you didn't know the Fugitive until maybe you got really close to the end was going to be such a great film. It tells you a lot about how the movie process goes.

[I]

Well, the Zeitgeist, like those guys at Ghostbusters, they. They were more of a cohesive unit. They had been working together over time because of Caddyshack and everything else. And they knew, you know, they knew what it was. Can I do. I know we should be plugging. And you guys are so. You. You blessed me so much. Tell us about.

[A]

Tell us about your movie. But I'm sorry to get you. I'm.

[I]

But I. No, no, no. I want to tell you. I'm going to. I'm going to divert again. You know what I just watched for two nights in a row? The Lonesome Dove. Have you guys.

[B]

That's amazing.

[I]

Dude. It's my boy. Tommy Lee Jones. My God. Robert Duvall. Of course, because Mr. Duvall passed. What? What? Eight hours of brilliant perfection. Brilliant perfection. It's on Amazon Prime. Although I had it. I watched the first four hours on my old DVD and I thought, it's. They've gotta have restored this. I'm sure it looks better.

[A]

Anyway, now, not talking about great movies. The Hail Mary, that's the movie that's out now. That's the movie that's doing great numbers. Tell us about it.

[I]

Well, so the Hail Mary was born. I was. I have. I got. You know, I have great parents. But the nuns, our nuns, The Sisters of St. Joseph of Philadelphia who had me for 12 years of Catholic school really did have an impact on guiding my. My. My moral and ethical compass and my spiritual compass, obviously. And I just kind of wanted to say thank you to them in some way. And this movie was born out of that. You know, the Hail Mary of the title isn't about the last play of the game, but the last play of the game is. Is quite great. But the Hail Mary of the title is the guy I play. And I'm working opposite an amazing actress named Marsha Dietline, who has starred in a couple of my movies. She's. She's spectacular as Sister Kathleen, who is named after a nun who taught me in first grade who changed my life.

[B]

That's awesome, by the way. Everybody go see this movie. I want to go back to your history, because the Fugitive is great, but we're talking to Daniel Roebuck. The movie is the Hail Mary. You also were in two television shows that I really loved. Lost and the. The man in the High Castle. What is the difference in your experience between being on a movie and being on a highly successful Television show. As an actor, what is the experience like? How is it different for those two?

[I]

Well, you know, what's great about it is you get the script every week and you don't, you don't know where you'll be in the story in a movie. You've got, you know, 100, 105 page script and you know exactly where you are in a TV show. And now there was. Because those shows were sequential in how it was all one story. I also did Matlock for three years in which every week was a different story and different people. I love them both. My, the blessing God's given me, you guys, is that like from River's Edge to the Fugitive to the Late Shift to Lost to the man in the High Castle and now even Terrifier, I have had the ability to kind of land into that story that everyone's talking about in a moment of time, which is, you know, hard to do for an actor to land in any story consistently. But yeah, they're different. And the other thing is it's a different director almost every week. Or as you know, they, they, they rotate five through but you get a different director and it's fun. And Lost, by the way, Lost was one of those shows where sometimes we would shoot two episodes on the same day. So there was, you'd say who, what, what's going on in this one? What did I just come from in that one? You know, but the experiences, look, it's, it's all great. I'm, I'm a kid, I'm 63. When Star wars came out, I was 13 and I ended up in Star Wars. I've got a great character, I play in these video games and, and work Harrison Ford. And when I was 12, I was a vampire clown in a circus and I ended up becoming Grandpa Munster, a funny vampire. So I have been consistently blessed and all of it has led me to this moment in time where I make these faith based movies because, because you guys, look, we're, we see the world in a similar way because I, you know, I pay attention to you. We're, we're our, our culture is, is fast slipping down into a vast nothingness. Because everything given us, they call it entertainment. It's just like they call it news. It's all the same with a dip, with one point of view. So how could it be entertaining if, if you know how it's going to end, who's going to be in it? All that other stuff, we're talking to Daniel Roebuck.

[B]

I want to give you an opportunity to speak out on this too. As we finish the interview, I want everybody to go see the Hail Mary, Roebuck's book, Daniel Roebuck's movie. So I told Buck I did. I've done daily television a ton in la, sports based and the amount of time that guys who work on those shows, build sets, carry the cameras around during breaks will come up and give me a fist pound and say, dude, you're saying everything that I wish I could say. I think a lot of people listening to us have this idea that Hollywood is a monolith and that everybody hates what many of the people listening to this right now would believe. I found that not to be true. Particularly the number of guys and gals who work and do the actual grunt work of making movies and television. I bet you have to, maybe you could tell people out there don't always paint with a huge broad brush when it comes to the people who make many of these movies and actually do the physical jobs.

[I]

Yeah, the crew you are, Clay, you're right. The crew is generally thinking more in the spectrum that I think we think. But the people running it, you know, are not, you know, they make a lot of movies about how horrible the blacklist is. But believe me, if they, you know, they, they wouldn't blacklist you in a second. I try to stay and I'll be honest with you, this is the, maybe the most that I've leaned even in a conversation because I'm, I don't really give a flying egg what Robert De Niro thinks about anything, let alone politics, you know, being, being the, you know, Billy Elish, all these people one after another, they're, they're millionaires who have no sense of the common life that common man live. But you're talking about the hard working crew. That's the common man, by the way. That's me. I'm a working class guy. When you're a character actor, you don't, I don't have the, I don't have the platform to be a star. My platform is to support the star. But I made a good living standing next to Andy Griffith and Kathy Bates and you know, Don Johnson and put the new name into Art the Clown, you know what I mean? But I think, you know, people going to see like our movie the Hail Mary, it's, it's on Angel Studios now. We just premiered there. It'll be running on. If you can't find it in the theater now, soon it'll be on Amazon Prime, Apple tv, all those. But look, the only way we can get Hollywood to change is we can, we got to keep making these smaller movies. We got to show them that their success in it, get people into the movies. The only way you're going to change it is if someone sees that. Huh. I can maybe make money from that. I make the movies through like the hail Marys made through a not for profit called our channel of peace. People could go to our channel of peace dot org. We literally make the movies. I don't get paid to act, direct, write, produce. Up to this point, I haven't. I don't know that I can hold on to that forever. But this movie, the hail Mary, is my gift and the gift of my wife and my daughter, my family, all who worked on it. It's, it's our gift and we hope people will take a moment to go see it.

[B]

Awesome. The movie is the hail Mary. Daniel Roebuck, we appreciate the time and good luck with the movie going forward.

[I]

Hey, keep doing the good work you guys are doing. We're blessed to have you on the airwaves.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

Those libs, those libs are hinky, sir. We're going to keep them on note.

[I]

It's all hinky. Thank you, guys.

[B]

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[E]

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