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Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
Welcome in clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Excited to be back with all of you. I was with my kids on spring break last week, had an awesome time out in Steamboat Springs, Colorado, and also in San Francisco, believe it or not, visiting colleges with my oldest and then skiing with the with the family. I do not ski Buck, but Laura Travis is an adroit, adept skier and so are the Travis boys. So anyway, they were out on the slopes. It was awesome. I met a lot of our listeners all over Steamboat Springs in particular, which is a big spring break destination, evidently for a lot of Clay and Buck listeners. So that was a lot of fun. Really cool place I'd never been before. And we had an awesome time out there. So thanks for all the hospitality in Colorado. It was funny, Buck. My oldest Google in San Francisco, we went all over the place, and as soon as we got Steamboat Springs, everybody knew us. And he was like, dad, nobody in San Francisco was like, coming up and saying hi to you at all. And then as soon as we landed in Steamboat Springs, Colorado, everywhere we went, people were big fans. So we maybe need to bump the numbers up a little bit in San Francisco behind enemy lines there. But all over Colorado, we have a lot of people listening out there all every single day.
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Buck Sexton
I visited you in Nashville recently, and I didn't even get fully out of the entryway of the airport. Like, when you're walking and you see the seats and stuff, and some Clay and Buck listeners want to take a photo right away. Yes. I was like, this is God's country, obviously.
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Clay Travis
It is, clearly. So I appreciate everybody out there. We also want to welcome, right off the top here, dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of new affiliate stations all over the country. More and more are rolling in. We've added hundreds since this show started in June of 2021. We have surpassed 500 affiliate stations now, which is a huge number in all 50 states. And again, dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of you are listening for the first time in many different parts of the country. And more of you will be listening in the days and weeks and months ahead. But we all want to welcome you. We try to have a good time here, entertain you and inform you. And so we are ecstatic to be adding all of you that are listening to us as you start your days here. And we're going to have a lot of fun with you. Let's dive into some of the stories that are out there. By the way, our friend Congressman Jim Jordan will join us at the top of the third hour for the absolute latest on the budget machinations. I'm sure you talked quite a lot about this last week, Buck, as we every six months or so have the will they or won't they shut down the government story and inevitably it all gets resolved.
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Buck Sexton
He's also trying to get Congress to move on clarifying that one district court judge cannot just override the president on executive prerogative issues. That that effectively that could paralyze the government. And we're seeing attempts to do that right now. And so there's legislation that is making its way through that the House is working on to that end. He could speak about that as he will speak about that.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, we talked. We told everybody. This is important. I think, Buck, that actually opposition to Trump wouldn't be primarily coming from the Democrat Party necessarily. It would be individual judges who are, with the stroke of a pen, trying to take away President Trump's executive authority. And ultimately we are headed for a, I think, monstrous decision from the Supreme Court at some point, which attempts to lay out the scope of executive authority and judicial review, which, to be fair for those of us who are legal nerds, is a dispute and a debate that has been occurring all the way Back to Marbury vs Madison, which was one of the seminal Supreme Court cases in the early 19th century. So I think we are headed for a blockbuster Supreme Court decision as it pertains to the resistance in the judicial community. And we'll dive into that as well. Also, Buck is going to fill out a bracket. The NCAA Tournament is set. Congratulations to fans of the Florida Gators, of the Auburn Tigers, Houston, Houston Cougars and also the oh, man, this is now I'm falling apart. Buck here, the overall number one seeds of the NCAA Tournament, the Duke Blue Devils as well. Everybody out there, those are the four number one seeds. My University of Tennessee, fifth overall, top two seed, Alabama Crimson Tide, Bucks favorite team as always. Unless he is endorsing the Auburn tigers, is the sixth seed out there. If you just count straight through four into the top two seeds of the next round. All right. And 14 southeastern conference teams. My buddy Greg Sankey, commissioner of the sec, having an incredible season. That is the most NCAA tournament teams, including Bucks wife's alma mater, the Florida Gators, who are a one seed. All right.
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Buck Sexton
Now, the difference in Carrie and me is Carrie always roots for the Gators whereas I root for whichever team is most beloved by wherever I am or Alabama if I just know they're going to win.
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Clay Travis
You are on the, you are always rooting for the home team at any venue that you have, you have attended. And for those who don't know, Buck had never been to a college football game until we started doing this show. And now he is a college sports savant. So he's going to fill out a bracket. I'm going to fill out a bracket. Almost all of you out there listening right now, I bet will be filling out a bracket. Spoiler alert. I've got the Florida Gators winning the NCAA tournament. I think they are the best team in college basketball right now. But we will post our brackets for you at Clay. And Buck, Buck had never filled out a bracket. Did you do it last year was the first time that you had ever filled out an NCAA tournament bracket in your life.
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Buck Sexton
Last year or the year before was first time ever.
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Clay Travis
So St. John, St. John's New York City, also a top seed with Rick Patino in your home state of New York in your home city of New York City. So the east coast well represented by St. John's also Michigan State since I'll give the top eight seeds out there. All right, let's go into this story, Buck, because, because I do think it's, it's really fascinating in many ways. After the 2024 election loss, you and I came on and we said, okay, what are Democrats going to decide? How are they going to analyze this defeat all 50 states, they did worse than they did in 2020. Trump wins the popular vote. He wins the best Republican election victory. When you consider Senate House and the White House going all the way back to 1988, Kamala Harris has one and a half billion dollars, Buck, to spend, which is one of the, the, the most dollar figures in a hundred days that we've ever seen. They got their message out. They tried to argue, oh, we have a messaging problem, not a message problem. Right. In other words, people aren't hearing our arguments, that's why we're losing. No, actually I think the results show that people are hearing your arguments. And that in fact is what the problem is. It's not a messaging issue. It's that your message stinks. And so when you look at this, I want to let you hear this. Both NBC News and CNN came out with polls over the weekend that told the exact same story. And that story was the Democrat Party has never been in the history of, of all these polls going back to 1990 and 1992 less popular than it is today. Let's start with the CNN poll. Poll results. This is on air CNN saying staggering brutal reality of Democrat disapproval. This is cut 12, a brand new.
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Jim Jordan
Exclusive CNN poll that paints a brutal reality for Democrats as they struggle to mount a unified opposition to President Trump. Americans favorable views of the Democratic Party brand are at a record low, just 29%.
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Buck Sexton
That's compared to 36% for Republicans.
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Jim Jordan
It is the lowest ever recorded for Democrats in CNN polling going back more than 30 years. As you can see the party's numbers dropping a staggering 20 points in just four years.
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Clay Travis
Okay, that's CNN and might say, okay, maybe this is an outlier. I think many of you out there are probably saying who in the world are the 29% that actually approve? This is the cadre of crazy broken brain left wingers that we talk about on a regular basis. Basically 75% of the country rejecting them right now. But NBC also had a staggering result and they talked about it on your favorite show, Morning Joe. This is Mika Brzezinski saying the Democrat Party has never been less popular in the history of their polling as well. Listen, cut. Let's start with the new polling that.
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Buck Sexton
Shows the Democratic Party has reached an.
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Clay Travis
All time low in popularity. The latest NBC News national poll finds that a majority of registered voters, 55%, have a negative view of the party.
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Buck Sexton
While 27%, just over a quarter of.
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Clay Travis
Registered voters, have a positive view of the party.
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Buck Sexton
That's the party's lowest rating in NBC.
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Clay Travis
News polling dating back to 1990. Meanwhile, though, a new CNN SSRS poll finds the Democratic Party's favorability rating at just 29%, a record low going back to 1992 and a drop of 20 points since January of 2021. Okay, I think there are a lot of reasons why this is happening, Buck, but the primary one is Democrats are wrong on every single issue. And I think what you're seeing is there's a certain legacy approval where people just say, I'm a Democrat, I'm going to support them. But it isn't that high when you're talking 27% positive on NBC, 29% positive on CNN, and both to post record lows at the exact same time.
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Buck Sexton
They have nothing to offer their own side at this point in time, which I've never seen anything quite like this before. Yes, they just lost, but they lost in 2016 and that was emotionally devastating for them. Nonetheless, right away. I mean, after election Day, the maniacs were in the Streets, truly in the streets. I saw them in New York City. Hashtag resistance. We're going to, we're going to do everything. We're going to have the media and the intelligence community and the FBI and everybody working to hamstring Trump in every way possible. Don't worry, they promised. We'll make sure that we get revenge on him. We'll stop his agenda and get revenge on him. Well, guess what, they can't stop his agenda really now. The only thing they've been able to do is with the judges. They can't stop him from becoming president anymore. And I think they're days of promising that Trump is going to pay the price for standing in the way of the left wing destruction of the country. I think those days are gone. And I think that what we're seeing is the recognition among the left wing home team that the people that they've put on the field have absolutely failed them. I have not seen anything like this since Obama beat McCain in 2008. And even then, it wasn't long before Obama's radicalism and the recognition of the growth of government led to the Tea Party and, you know, things got going very quickly. Maybe the Democrats will get their act together this time around, Clay. But, but I think the problem is they can't even find people to rally around right now. Actually step back from that. They can't find ideas to rally around. Yeah, that's, you know, OK, Obama won in 2008. You had a huge financial collapse. You had the problems of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. He was very lucky with the timing. In a lot of ways. He comes in. Republicans still believed in what they had believed in before. Maybe they'd learned some painful lessons about interventionism, but it wasn't, oh my gosh, nobody thinks that we should have a secure border. In fact, Obama won on traditional marriage and a secure border and cutting waste in government. He pushed ideas to become president that he didn't believe in at all. But those were popular ideas. The problem Democrats face right now is the party was hijacked. Their party was hijacked, meaning they were in control. Right. It wasn't just a faction. The faction had seized the cockpit of the plane by the lunatics. And they won't move off these lunatic ideas. The ideas are not popular that they push.
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Clay Travis
Can you, let's talk about this when we come back for a moment. Can you. It's, it's unheard of, I think, for a party to destroy itself like this such that, can you even think of anything that Democrats are right on right now. I mean, it's fairly commonplace for people out there to say, hey, you know, I agree with the Republicans on this, the Democrats on that. That's how elections are decided right now. I, I can't even think of anything that Democrats are right on right now. Where I look at it, you know, say, hey, you know what, Maybe the evidence, maybe the data, maybe the argument itself is a little bit more on their side than on the Republican side. I don't even know where they fight right now because they're fighting on such unpopular ground that the vast majority, 75% of Americans roll their eyes at Trump.
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Buck Sexton
Has absorbed some of the best ideas that were not, not left wing entirely, but had a lot of, a lot of support on the left. Yeah, ideas like, hey, the working class in this country needs to not be fed into the financial wood chipper so that we can get cheap stuff from China. Right. That used to be more of a center left issue in the Bush era Republican Party. I, when you say this now, I think there's always this rejection. Oh, no, that's not, no, no, I'm not talking about Trump's Republican Party, which is what it has been for a decade now. I'm talking about before that, even some of the health stuff. Look at RFK Jr. Look at, look at non interventionism. Non interventionism, which I think Tulsi Gabbard represents in some way in this new Trump administration, among others. But Clay, non interventionism used to be considered part and parcel of the peace movement in many ways in this country. Right. Or the people that like the code pink types almost. And now we know that was all a fraud. Whole other conversation. So, yes, we will talk more about, about that and also Team Pull, Bill Maher, Bhatia, Sanger, Argonne. Did you see?
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Clay Travis
I saw it over the weekend.
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Buck Sexton
Yes, we should pull that if we don't have it. She talked Bill said, don't you regret voting for Trump? And she just. Which I was shocked he went in that direction because no, actually Trump voters are all doing backflips. They don't regret it at all. They, the problem is they're hoping they don't pull a hammy when they do the backflip. Like I've, I've never seen so many happy Trump voters in my life. We should get into that here in just, just a little bit. You know, there's a compelling video online that talks about a prediction, a prediction of disruption to our economy in the future. Look, I'm hoping it doesn't happen But I certainly trust the person who made the prediction because it's my dad, Mason Sexton Senior this is my father's area of expertise, the financial markets and how they affect everyday Americans. And I think it could be really helpful for you. Growing up, my dad was a stock market guy and he became famous when I was a kid back in the 80s for calling the crash of 87 in advance on TV. He nailed it. And since then he's been advising some of the biggest hedge funds in the world. Now he's come out publicly with another major prediction. You can see it at this website. Disruption2025.com free to watch the presentation, so just go check it out. Disruption2025.com Disruption2025.com paid for by Paradigm Press. You ain't imagining it.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
Clay, I want to get to a couple things here. One was the exchange on Bill Maher where he asked, I think he threw, he, I think he thought he was throwing a fast pitch down the middle and it got absolutely walloped into the upper deck with the question about do you feel bad about voting for Trump? Now to someone who voted for Trump, we'll get to that. First though, I did want to get your take on this. You know, last week, first last week Trump made a bunch of references to Canada as the 51st state. He does not seem to be budging off of that one. I believe it is Trump trolling. I do not have any real thought that the Canadians are going to become the 51st state. There's no process through which that would happen. But then there's this. And I don't know if this is trolling or a combination of serious and trolling, but it's seems to be a big deal. This is from his Truth Social Donald J. Trump. The pardons that sleepy Joe Biden gave to the Unselect Committee of political thugs and many others are hereby declared void, vacant and of no further force or effect because of the fact that they were done by auto pen. In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them, but more importantly, he did not know anything about them. The necessary pardoning documents were not explained to or approved by Biden. He knew nothing about them and the people that did may have committed a crime. Therefore, those of the Unselect committee who destroyed and deleted all evidence obtained by their two year witch hunt of me and many other innocent people should fully understand that they are subject to investigation at the highest level. The fact is they were probably responsible for the documents that were signed on their behalf without the knowledge or consent of the worst president in the history of our country, crooked Joe Biden. What, what do you make of this? I, I, I don't think that this is one. The Canada thing, I think, is Trump just having fun and doing what Trump does and getting a little negotiating leverage maybe. I don't think that he's kidding about this. I think he's quite serious.
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Clay Travis
It's super weird.
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Buck Sexton
Let.
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Clay Travis
Let's just say that whatever you think about Trump, he has made a very calculated decision to basically sign all of his executive orders directly in front of the media, affix his signature, have people explaining to the assembled media what the orders that he is signing do, and then he's oftentimes held them up, he's passed out pins. He has made it very clear that he is acting on his authority as the President of the United States. What rational basis would there be for an auto pen to be signing executive orders of this level of significance? And, Buck, you'll know this, and I bet a lot of people out there certainly have experienced this. I'm not talking about like you wrote a letter to your congressman and they like, stamp it or fix an auto pin at the signature, you know, to a letter. I'm talking about when you are acting with the full force of legal authority to have an auto pin doing it as opposed to Biden himself doing it is extremely strange. And I do think it raises the question, was Biden aware of many of the acts that were being undertaken by the executive branch under his duly elected authority? Why would you? I mean, I think it's like, leave aside whether you agree with the decisions that Biden made, because obviously a lot of these we don't agree with. Why would you need to do it via auto pin? I mean, it's actually a super interesting question. I think that demands a real answer. And I don't think it's crazy of Trump to say if Biden wasn't himself sitting, like, he should have to sign the executive authority Act. Like that doesn't seem like a crazy perspective to take. Right?
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Buck Sexton
Well, this is where things get interesting here, because Biden was somebody that we all know now, and this is uncontroversial, had cognitive issues, right? I mean, had dementia. Basically, you had a president with dementia. And this is something I used to say about Reagan all the time. They used to always bring up that they would say that Reagan had Alzheimer's.
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Jim Jordan
Right?
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Buck Sexton
That was just meant to besmirch Reagan's legacy. And this is something that Democrats through the 90s into the 2000s. Look, Reagan had Alzheimer's. But what Trump is going after here is he's saying that you can't, while advisors can Push policies to Biden and he can sign off on it. The, the power of pardon comes from the president as a person. And if he does not know of and does not sign off on a pardon, it is not possible for anyone else to do so. So if there was an auto pen, like, if these signatures that were auto pen were also correlated with pardons that Biden did not himself approve, then you could consider it to be void, essentially. That's the idea. Now, can you hear. I think the challenge with this is how would you prove this? I don't know how you could prove it. And Democrats are going to say that of course Biden knew and of course Biden approved of all of this. And there is no place in the Constitution or in case law that I'm aware of where a pardon can be. The pardon power is considered to be absolute. Right. Pardons can't be undone because then there's no such thing as a pardon power.
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Clay Travis
Correct.
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Buck Sexton
So I don't really see where this is going. It might just be trolling, but Trump is pretty serious about it.
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Clay Travis
Here is where, Buck, I would say, and we said this on the show at the time that it occurred, here is where I do think Trump could challenge many of these Biden pardons. Is it legal to actually preemptively pardon someone? That, to me, is a very valid question that the Supreme Court should have to address because most of the people that Biden pardoned have not actually been charged with any crime. And so to me, the auto pin aspect of this, of this allegation by Trump is, is intriguing. I would actually layer it, though, with. On top of this, which I think is the far more significant argument. Does the President really have the, the, the, the power to preemptively pardon people from being charged with crimes potentially for actions going back a decade? Again, almost all presidential pardons historically have been for duly adjudicated cases. That is the ostensible purpose of the pardon. Right. You have been convicted of a crime. You are, in the President's opinion, worthy of clemency, and therefore you are going to be given it after a duly adjudicated process. Just saying, hey, for a decade of actions, you are unable to be charged with any crime, and I am preemptively pardoning you. To me, that's the angle that they should be going after, because I don't think that should be legal.
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Buck Sexton
It should at least be known what you're being pardoned for.
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Clay Travis
Correct.
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Buck Sexton
That's the entire purpose also. Right. Because there's reason. There was thinking behind this Right. That it wasn't just, it didn't just come out of nowhere, that there was this idea that the President should have this very important authority. This is, this goes to decisions made after the Civil War. For example, how do you handle the Confederacy? Right. How do you bring, you know, there were people that wanted there to be much more severe punishments for some of, particularly the leadership, but it was decided, well, no, we're going to bring the country together. And so there was clemency, there were pardons, there were decisions made. You know, you can see how at baseline there is a need for presidential pardon or rather why people would think there's a need for presidential pardons. What about if somebody just started saying, you know what, anybody who works for me, you get a, you get a total get out of jail free card for anything you've done over the last 10 years. You know what I mean?
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
Is that OK? Can you just, can you just write something that says I Joe Biden or have somebody else write it and pretend they're Joe Biden? I, Joe Biden, hereby sweep away any crime committed by any member of my administration for the last decade or anyone who worked for me in, you know, in the White House. Is that, is that the use of pardon power? I mean, there have to be some limits. And I think that when you're talking about preemptive, to your point, preemptive pardoning is this also goes to, can the President pardon himself? Legitimate questions that people have been asking for a long time. Yeah.
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Clay Travis
And again, I don't know that very many people have really spent a lot of time on it. You and I talked about it because I think it's such an interesting question. Also it presumes guilt. That's the other aspect of this. If I said to you, if I said right now, if the President called me up and he was like, clay, do you need a pardon for the last decade of your activities? I would say no. Like, I don't, I don't think that I've done anything that would be criminal in nature. When you pardon the entire penumbra of your family, it suggests that there've been a lot of criminal actions that have occurred when you are doing it preemptively. Again, you and I were not surprised. A lot of the nation was when Hunter Biden got his pardon. But the pardon for the conviction that Hunter Biden got in Delaware and also for his tax related charges is very, very valid in my opinion. Right. You might not agree with it, but the President's authority to pardon in that context seems quite clear. Legally, does the President have the ability to just say to his brother, hey, you're protected from all crimes for the last decade? I don't think so. Does the President have the ability to say for Liz Cheney or Dr. Fauci or any of these other individuals, hey, you're protected for the last decade from any charges that any future administration might try to put on you? No, that's not constitutionally permissible.
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Buck Sexton
I don't think it also creates a real sense that some people are above the law because there can't even be any public feeling about what somebody is being pardoned for. If it's a sweeping pardon that. I mean, here's the other thing. Could you be pardoned for any future on yet future not yet described or committed acts? I don't think so. I don't think anybody be okay with that because now you're just saying that somebody has. There's no legal authority of the federal government over an American citizen. So clearly it can't be any future act that you commit. It would have to be a thing already done. And I do think there is grounds to say. You have to at least say what the thing is. Right. Because what happened here was, for example, Hunter Biden was pardoned. It should have, it should have had to say, hunter Biden is pardoned for tax evasion, for, you know, for bribery, for money laundering, you know, for the following things. And, you know, instead the system, I mean, maybe that's not how it's generally done, but I think that's how it should be done. You have to, you should have to be pardoned for a thing that people are aware of. It can't just be like, yeah, you're good, nothing. You can do whatever you want. You know, I mean, think, think about that as well. You could find out in the case of Hunter Biden, I wouldn't be surprised at all. Maybe some stuff went on that we didn't even know about that was really bad. And then you can't, you can't charge them for that either.
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Clay Travis
It's, it's not. I am confident that this is not permissible, and it's why I said I would challenge it. To me, the auto pin thing is a additional layer to it, but to me, it feels much more worthy of legal challenge to try to argue, hey, this is 100% permissible.
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Buck Sexton
But do you think Trump is going to see this one through? Do you think, do you think he's, he's real deal on this one. He wants to push this.
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Clay Travis
I think it actually is less likely to be Trump who is die hard on this. But I do think there are some people in the administration who see this legally as being untenable and want to challenge it going forward. It also, by the way, is the opposite of executive overreach. You know all the people who are saying, oh, Trump's a fascist. Oh, Trump's a dictator. No, the dictator would be the person who's saying, hey, all my whole family is protected from criminal charges for a decade. I'm signing this as I go out. I bet Joe Biden actually signed the Hunter Biden pardon, by the way. Really? Question also on the auto pin, was there something in Joe Biden's ability to hold a pin that made an auto pin necessary? In other words, is it possible that his overall ability to control his signature was an issue and they didn't want that to be revealed as part of his health related issues? Very strange. All of it. Look, 9911 is more than a day in history. It's a day still taking lives. We remember the 2,977 people lost on 9 11, including many first responders. Yet even more have died since that day from their related illnesses. Today there's a whole generation of kids who know little to nothing about 9 11. The Tunnel of the Towers 911 institute righting this wrong by helping teachers educate kids in grades K through 12 with non fiction resources that includes a full curriculum unit with scripted lessons, activities and background for teachers as well non fiction first person accounts told through videos and the Discovering Heroes book series. Plus a 911 speakers bureau for classrooms and a mobile exhibit that's an interactive museum to never forget. We must educate future generations, help our nation keep its vow. Join us in donating $11 a month to tunnel the towers at t2t.org that's tthenumber2t.org making America great again isn't just one man, it's many. The Team 47 podcast Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Buck Sexton
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Couple things here on the border situation. First off, Tom Holman Trying to not sound like I have a man crush on Tom Holman, but he is doing phenomenal work and he's the right man for the job and he's a patriot who's serving his country incredibly well. Here he is when a reporter asks about this alien Acts law that has been used to send these trenda Aragua guys Out. A reporter asked Tom homan about the 200-year-old law. This is what he said. 28.
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Jim Jordan
Do you say to those who claim.
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Buck Sexton
You'Re using a 200 year old law to circumvent due process? An old law. Not as old as Constitution.
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Jim Jordan
We still pay attention to that, don't we?
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Buck Sexton
How many more times do you plan on deporting El Salvador? I like that. It's not as old as the Constitution and we still care about that Clay notice old law like the Logan act to jam up, which was never used and is actually probably unconstitutional in itself to jam up General Flynn. Media's all about it. This law used to get, you know, rapists, murderers and gang member thugs out of the country. Media is crying about due process for illegals.
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Clay Travis
We've had Tom Homan on the show a ton and obviously his voice is great because he sounds like the guy who should be in charge of the border. This is one of those things that I do think Trump is right about. In a television era, the central casting element of the person who is the communicator in chief of a particular issue and decision, Tom Holman both looks and sounds like the grizzled veteran who should be in charge of making sure that our border is safe. Like if you asked me to, like central cast, if we were doing a television show or a movie and you said, hey, who's the guy? What does the guy look like? Who's going to shut down the border? I would say, oh, it's a guy like Tom Holman. And his responses when these questions get yelled out are extraordinary. This is going mega viral. We just played for you. But remember, Buck, for years, Tom Holman came on this show and he said it's really simple. If President Trump's in office, he will shut down the border just like we shut down the border in the first term and Tom Holman's in office. And again, they have shut down the border. And I do think you will sometimes know when Trump has huge wins because stories just disappear. They don't give him credit, really. They just kind of stop talking about an issue. For instance, the price of eggs, Buck has evidently plummeted in the last 10 days or so and it's back down to a normal level price of eggs. I'm not an expert on egg pricing, but my understanding is that they have essentially come back down to a normal ish price. Story's gonna vanish for years as the price went up. Nobody talked about it. Trump's in office 50 days. Suddenly he owns the Price of eggs. I'll tell you another one. The stock market. I was out last week. Rough week for the stock market. Suddenly Trump is responsible for every day's activity in the stock market. When it comes back up, and it will come back up, the story will just vanish. They only have these short lived little narrative arcs. Suddenly everybody in the Democrat Party cares about where the stock prices are. Look, I want the stock market to go up. My advice to you in general is the same advice that I follow. Buy index funds. I buy s and P500 index funds on average. Historically, every 10 years, they double. The more time you pay attention to stock market prices, the more likely you are to respond emotionally and make decisions to sell low and buy high. Because that's how most people think. Oh, the prices keep going up. Oh, I'm gonna buy. Oh, the prices are going down. Oh, I'm gonna sell. What is the great line from Warren Buffett? Be greedy when others are fearful. And, and be fearful when others are greedy. Honestly, emotional aspects of how to judge this. And look, the stock market was a disaster for the first two years of Biden, but the overall American economy is such that even when you have a bad president, and I think Biden was the worst president any of our lives. The stock market didn't completely collapse because there were enough red states out there making great decisions and enough red state governors to help to allow their states to be growing dynamically even while the federal government policies actually made it more difficult for, in general, companies to succeed. So I do think the way these narratives just vanish. Buck, is super interesting in the context of Trump's successes. You don't hear them trumpet them, they just vanish.
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Buck Sexton
Yes. And I had mentioned this before and I did want to play it for everybody so they could hear it, which is when Bill Maher, I was surprised he went in this direction. Look, Bill's a pretty. Bill's a savvy guy and he's realized that. And he knew before the election too, I think, where the Democrat Party was going, which was off a cliff into a brick wall. Pick your metaphor. He knew this because they went crazy and he was trying to tell them to stop, be so crazy, stop being so crazy. And they wouldn't listen. I was surprised, though, that he went in the. Well, now Trump is. This is the thing with Bill, he, he can, he can be reasonable even if he's wrong. Like he's wrong on, on climate change in my mind. But you can talk to him about it somewhat. Trump, he despises Trump like he has he has Trump derangement syndrome. Truly, he has a Trump derangement syndrome. And he took the approach with one of his guests who is a former leftist or center left, I should say a former Democrat who has come over to the Trump side as a Trump voter and he's like, well, don't you feel like you shouldn't have voted for Trump? Now that we've seen what's going on and you know, I was shocked. Here is how she explained this. This is Bhatia Unger Sargan on Bill maher. This is cut 25, play it. And I'm just wondering what you think now we're approaching two months in. I mean, you must have a feeling in your gut. Look me in the eye and tell me you don't, that this is really going badly and I shouldn't have thrown my lot in with this team. Oh, no, I feel the opposite. All right, tell me why. I'm so sorry, Bill. No, no, tell me why.
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Clay Travis
No, I feel so proud of.
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Buck Sexton
I mean, I was never a Republican or a conservative. I was a leftist and I am still a leftist.
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Clay Travis
I'm just a MAGA leftist now, because that makes.
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Buck Sexton
No, can you explain? Please do. Yes, please. When I look at what President Trump.
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Clay Travis
Ran on and the agenda that he's.
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Buck Sexton
Enacting right now, he took a Republican Party that was built on social conservatism, foreign interventions and wars and free trade.
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Clay Travis
And free markets, and he basically took.
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Buck Sexton
An ax to all of those during the campaign. He said, look, I mean, he's pretty pro gay. That's pretty obvious. He appointed the highest ranking out gay person, Scott Besant, our Secretary of treasury, which is incredible. And he sidelined the pro life wing of his party. He changed the party for sure. Okay, so he believes abortion should be legal for 12 weeks. That's not actually really where he is on it. But the point here is, Clay, you know, we could talk about the abortion thing in more detail. But the point is the don't you feel badly about how Trump is doing so far for Trump voters is still a total misread of where Trump voters are, which is, I think for most of us who are expecting it to be good or very good, it is excellent. It has actually exceeded the expectations of those who had high expectations. So the notion that anybody would regret it who voted for Trump, I just think this goes to. Democrats aren't paying attention to the mood of the country or they're disconnected from the mood of the country. They just can't tell.
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Clay Travis
Look, if Trump were in any way experiencing a backlash or regret. Democrats, as we started off the show talking about, wouldn't be at historic lows of approval in general. The approval rating of the Democrat Party would not have collapsed if the Republican president were wildly unpopular. I don't think anybody, anybody regrets their decision about Trump. And look, I mean, Buck, just quickly, there is a very good chance, I think we're going to get a cease fire in Ukraine and end that war between Russia and Ukraine within the first hundred days of Trump's presidency. We have a cease fire right now in the Middle East. It's tenuous. Hopefully it holds. That's because of Trump. We have, as we just laid out, potentially the fewest illegal border crossings since 1967 at our southern border. We have inflation hitting a four year low last week and we have violent crime overall on decline in many different cities across America and bad guys being put behind bars and kicked out of the country when they have no business being here again. The stock market is basically the only thing you can point to right now if you are a Democrat and say, oh, it's not going well, but the stock market is basically right now, as we speak, the exact same level S&P 500 that it was on election day. So really six months, I mean, you have corrections constantly. Stock prices go up and down. And the fact that we're sitting and I saw the clip from you and I watched it over the last week, Buck, where you were laying out, hey, we've had a sugar high in the way that much of the government has been dealt with in terms of the money that's just been the spigot that's been being paid by Democrats. And there may be a little bit of a retrenchment as people recognize that that sugar high is going away.
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Buck Sexton
I did say that last week. Thank you for noting it. And the treasury secretary was on TV this morning. This is Cut nine. Scott Bessant was saying that's exactly what has happened. Everybody, we need to face reality plain. 9 Speaker 3 Top 10% of Americans are 40 or 50% of consumption. And that is an unstable equilibrium. The bottom 50% of working Americans have gotten killed. We are trying to address that. We're trying to get rates down. And you know, could we be seeing that this economy that we inherited starting to roll a bit? Sure. And look, there's going to be a natural adjustment as we move away from public spending to private spending. The market and the economy have just become hooked and we become addicted to this government spending and there's going to be a Detox period. Detox period. Of course there's going to be a detox period when you've been spending beyond your means. If you've been running to the mall, I guess, does anyone really go to the mall anymore to spend a lot of money? But if you've been running to the mall spending ten grand a month on.
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Clay Travis
Your credit, does my mother, My mother in law does? I think yes.
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Buck Sexton
I just, I just wonder like, at what point they're going to name a chair or something after my wife at Costco, you know, like, at what point does she get that honor for spending as much at Costco as she does?
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Clay Travis
I'll tell you this, Buck. You know, I went downstairs to get my smoothie for lunch, and I look down and we have a big Costco chili ready for dinner tonight. And I'm already excited about having Costco chili. It's my. I don't shop. I shop at Amazon and I shop at Costco. That's like 99% of where I buy anything. I love every. I'm like your wife. I love every time I get to go into a Costco. It's just always a glorious experience.
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Buck Sexton
It's funny too. I've said, honey, do you want me.
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Clay Travis
To go with you?
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Buck Sexton
And she's like, no, it's fine. I'm like, oh. It's like, it's like she doesn't want me to spoil it by you know, asking my, my ignorant Costco questions or anything. Like, this is her place. This is her. This is her field trip that she gets to go on once a week and load up the entire SUV full of things from Costco. So.
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Clay Travis
But look, saving you a bundle of money in the process, as one does.
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Buck Sexton
She's saving me nothing but money. It's almost like everything she buys is free because of all of the savings. And those of you who are familiar with wife or girl math are familiar with how that actually goes. She's doing me a favor by bringing home those big jars of whatever it is because it's such a good deal.
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Clay Travis
That's exactly right. That's how girl math works. It's gone popular on TikTok. We've talked about this before, where women will go on and say, look at how much I saved. And then, you know, they sometimes try to talk to the men in their lives and like, that's not actually. No, but girl math is you don't spend money, you only save money. So if something's half off, you have saved a massive amount in the process. So this is the Costco is the perfect example of this.
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Buck Sexton
Yes. But back to the economy overall, this is not a surprise to the administration that there would be a little bit of a disruption in the market. Because if you're going to cut the spigot off of tremendous spending from the federal government and the expectation that this will just continue, you know, there is. You can pay a lot of people to do nothing and a lot of people are making money. The point is we don't want that to continue to happen.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
So there'll be a little bit of a disruption there.
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Clay Travis
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Today we want to say thanks, by the way, to all of you out there listening on the dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of new affiliate stations, all starting today and in the weeks ahead. We appreciate you. We've gone over 500 in affiliates, massive number, all 50 states and a guy who occasionally likes to check in on us when he's running around his district and running around the nation trying to make sure that we are on the right track. Our friend Congressman Jim Jordan. Great state of Ohio. Congressman, how are things going? We appreciate you swinging by.
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Jim Jordan
Yeah, good to be, good to be with you guys. And congratulations on just the ever growing audience out there and more stations. That just shows what a good job you all.
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Clay Travis
So far so good. Four years in. Let's, let's dive into what you're focused on right now, which is the federal district court judges have emerged as the primary resistance to Trump's authority in the United States. The Democrat Party has collapsed. We were talking about the overall approval ratings hitting all time lows at NBC and cnn. What do you think about these federal district court judges and what do you think should be done to one judge who is oftentimes an Obama appointee from trying to keep President Trump from being able to enact the executive actions that the American people put him in office to do?
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Jim Jordan
Yeah, I think several things. You know, we have oversight of Article 3 court. So we're looking at all this. So there's sort of the general oversight function and then there's legislation that we can do. And I was telling Buck, I listened, we were driving this morning and I heard, I heard your show from Friday. We were playing as we were heading off to the meeting and you were talking about this issue. And we passed this bill two, I think two or three weeks ago out of committee. We're going to try to get it through the, through the House. But the bill says, look, if you have some judge in Timbuktu, California who issues a ruling, it doesn't apply nationwide. It applies to the parties of the case, the parties in the case in that respective jurisdiction. And so you limit the ability, what has it been, I think 15 times in eight weeks, actually it'd be a shorter period of time than that, even six, seven weeks where 15 different occasions where some federal judge has had a nationwide injunction against some actions taken by President Trump, either executive order or some of the Doge things that have taken place. And so, and I think in the whole four years of Joe Biden, it was like 13 or 14. So we think this makes sense. And then we're also just looking at our general oversight of this whole thing. And of course, the biggest example, while it was not a nationwide injunction, but the example that's front and center in everyone's mind is this judge, Judge Boasberg, who said, no, no, no, it's better to bring hardened criminals back to the country, gang members back to the country than to send them away. Which I think just underscores how ridiculous some of this stuff is that we're seeing from these judges.
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Buck Sexton
Congressman Jordan, appreciate you being with us. So.
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Jim Jordan
You bet.
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Buck Sexton
Clearly we agree that reining in the resistance, universal injunction, happy judiciary is constitutionally necessary. I have a feeling the Democrats in the Senate, however, will be unwilling to go along with this. So is this mostly just a function of making the argument in front of the American people that this should be done? So at least when Democrats are claiming that this is the way it has to be, the Trump administration can turn around and say, one, we disagree, and two, it's Democrats who are, who are refusing to clarify this. So of course it's going to have to make its way up to the Supreme Court because we know they'll complain about that too.
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Jim Jordan
Yeah, I mean we could have taken, of course there's other legislation that we're looking at where you would do some expedited review. So if it stays the same, so some, some judge, some district, federal district judge can issue a ruling, has nationwide implications, then you get some expedited review, some three judge panel, then on the, so you can do that route as well. We'll look at that legislative, if that makes sense. But the idea is to get an answer quickly and not have these judges and the Democrats forum shopping. But I would back up a second. I think really what this is about is the left doesn't want to trust the individual who was elected to make decisions. The left says, no, no, no, we got to go to the judges, we got to go to the experts in the government, the bureaucrats who smarter than we, the people. It's the whole reason they thought Dr. Fauci should run the world a few years ago. It's not trusting in the guy who put their name on the ballot, was elected. And as Article 2, Section 1, I always point to this, the very first sentence in Article 2 of our Constitution says Executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States. The Democrats don't like that. They want the experts to run things, and then they want to go to the courts to run things. They don't like the guy that the people put in power. So ultimately, that's what it's about. And then we're trying to figure out a way to make sure that the people get their, their wishes done as reflected in the election on November 5th.
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Clay Travis
We're talking to Congressman Jim Jordan. What is the latest that you can tell us about the big, beautiful bill that I know is working its way through, the reconciliation bill that would deal with taxes, that would deal with the border? I believe everything else. What's the absolute latest there? People should know? What's the timeframe look like? How do you see it going?
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Jim Jordan
Well, I think good. Especially now that we've got the CR done. You know, no one thought we could really get that done, and everyone, you thought there were going to be some kind of fight, but when we framed it up with this just flat funding, maybe saving a few dollars like we did, now that that's off the table, I think we can turn to implementing the Doge cuts, doing the reconciliation that the American people elected us to do. The Speaker's indicated he wants a May timeframe on this to try to get this all done. I think that'd be great if we can, if we can make it happen that, that quickly. Getting some certainty on the tax code, getting some certainty on energy policy, getting the revenue and resources to Tom Homan and President Trump's team to make sure they can continue to secure our border. I think that makes all this, all the sense in the world. But that, that victory last week was good. I saw Senator Murphy, Democrat Senator from Connecticut, on TV yesterday, and he said this was the first time that the government spending bill wasn't negotiated in a bipartisan fashion. Didn't have bipartisan. You know what else it was? It was the first time we passed a spending bill where we didn't spend more money. Maybe there's a correlation there. Maybe there's some truth to us doing it this way so that we're not spending more money. So I thought that was a big win for us. And now we're set to implement the Doge cuts that the Trump administration and Elon and his team have put together along with this reconciliation package. And let's hope we can get it done by the spring here, by May, and then get on with the economy growing like we want it to grow.
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Buck Sexton
Congressman Jordan you may have seen this a couple of days ago. FBI Director Cash Patel shared this quote. I want to address the alarming rise in swatting incidents targeting media figures. The FBI is aware of this dangerous trend and my team and I are taking action to investigate and hold those responsible accountable. There have been a number of people, this is, the reports are out there who have had this SWAT incident or swatting incidents happen. And for anyone listening, it's where someone calls in a hoax high threat situation to law enforcement, says, oh, here's the address. There's somebody barricaded with a gun, holding a hostage. And sometimes SWAT shows up and goes in heavy through the door and it's very dangerous. My understanding is that, yes, of course, this is against the law, but there's no specific law that's brought to bear federal law targeting. I'm usually not in favor of more laws, but is anyone in the Congress considering an anti swatting law specifically to address this so that it's very clear, hey, if you try, because someone could get killed. This has, there have been lethal incidents in the past with this.
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Jim Jordan
Yeah, no kidding. If legislation is needed to clarify that, we are certainly open to doing that. That, that makes sense to me. You know, this is, this is dangerous stuff. And you start messing around with this kind of stuff for political reasons because you, you want to go get, you know, there's someone on the other party or whatever. I know our colleague, I think Marjorie Green has been swatted a couple times, several times. So if you're doing this for political stuff, this is, there should be prosecution. Just like if you're Attorney General Bondi has talked about this. If you're, if you're these folks in these cities, these sanctuary cities, and you're tipping off the bad guys when ICE is coming to try to do their job, and you're making it difficult for ICE agents to, to implement and enforce.
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Buck Sexton
Federal law and dangerous for them because some of these bad guys can set up ambush. Yeah, yeah.
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Jim Jordan
What we saw this happen in Detroit or, excuse me, in Denver. The sanctuary citizenship policies out there were. They let this guy go, this Abraham Gonzalez. They let him go even though ICE had said, hey, if you're going to release this guy, we know you got him. He's in for aggravated assault. He stole a car. If you're going to release and give us 48 hours notice so we can come to the jail and pick him up in your, in your county jail, in your city jail. And they said no, they released him to the streets and then they got to go Arrest him on the streets. And as a result, an ICE agent got assaulted. It's like that's what happens when you have this crazy left wing sanctuary city policy. So if it's that or swatting or whatever, let's make sure that we protect the safety and allow. And if you're engaged in that kind of stuff, you should be prosecuted.
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Buck Sexton
For goodness sake, Jim.
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Clay Travis
New York Times this morning said right now we're on pace for the lowest amount of border crossings since 1967. I knew you had faith that Trump and Tom Holman and Christine Ohm and everybody else out there could get this thing solved. Did even you? Are you even astounded by how quickly he has managed to turn the southern border into a secure zone?
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Jim Jordan
Yeah, I am. And it, it's, it's truly a reflection of leaders. We all know leadership makes a difference. And when you come in and say you reverse exactly what Biden said, no more, no more building the wall, no more remain in Mexico. And when you get here, you will not be detained, you will be released. And President Trump came in and said, we're going to flip those exactly 180 degrees. We're going to continue building the wall. We're going to make you wait in Mexico while we evaluate your claim. And when you get here, there is no way you will be released. You will be, you will be detained and sent back. And anyone else who came here, we're going to find you and send you back. If you're not, if you're not supposed to be here when you come in with that kind of attitude. And Tom Holman is certainly reflective of that attitude. And you do those things, it's amazing what happens lowest encounters, I think, ever, as you pointed out, Clay. But I gotta admit, it's, it's even faster and better than I thought they could do it. Which is again, a testament to the leadership of President Trump and his team.
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Buck Sexton
Congressman Jim Jordan, always appreciate you making the time for a. Sir. Oh, wait, Clay, I'm sorry.
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Clay Travis
No, I was just gonna give you a chance because it's in C. I.
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Buck Sexton
Know what we're going to now. Yes, we were saving the republic. Slash. Let's talk sports. Go ahead.
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Clay Travis
Buck is going to fill out a bracket, which he's rarely done before. But I also know the wrestling NCAA tournament is underway, I believe, and you are a former. Yeah, you are a die hard on that front. What should people know about the NCAA tournament for the men out there that everybody's going to be watching this weekend? And also wrestling. I'll Give you an opportunity to deflect your muscles.
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Jim Jordan
Yeah. And wrestling. Penn State's going to win again, unfortunately. But there'll be lots of. There'll be. There'll be a strong competition for runner up. You know, the Buckeyes will be good. Hawkeyes are good. Nebraska, there's other lot. I mean it's all Big Ten. Then there's a few teams from the, from the 12. Oklahoma State will be solid, so we'll see how that goes. We're going to go for the finals. I think it's in Philadelphia. We'll be there for the final night. Basketball. I'm always cheering for the Badgers, you know, even though they got beat yesterday in that Big Ten final. Cheering for the Badgers, which is where I went to school. So we'll see. I don't even know. I haven't looked at the brackets yet though today I assume the Badgers got a pretty high seed.
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Clay Travis
3. You're a three seed, so you're in pretty good set up to play Alabama in the sweet 16 if you make it there.
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Jim Jordan
There we go. There we go. Well, so I'll probably in my bracket, I usually have. If Wisconsin in the tournament. I usually have them going to the final Four at some point. So I'm sure I'll have that my bracket this time too.
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Clay Travis
Outstanding stuff. Keep up the good work, Congressman, and we appreciate you.
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Jim Jordan
You bet. Take care.
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Clay Travis
It's great. I mean he's fabulous in many respects, but I do love that when he's out on the road, like you said, Buck, he was listening to you on Friday. He's like, hey, let me go ahead and hop on and talk about everything going on out there in the world.
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Buck Sexton
On the serious note, do you agree with me? There should be a, you know, you're a lawyer. There should be an anti swatting law. Because I know that there are, there are violations of law in swatting. But it makes it easier for prosecutors if it's. You did the following things. You are covered under this specific statute, which is trying to prevent. Because right now it's, you know, interstate threats, it's false report. It's a bunch of different things. But you know, I know this from terrorism prosecutions. Like when there's one thing you can hit people with, like when it's material support to a terrorist group, 10 years in federal prison. It's a lot easier than trying to cobble together a multi statute prosecution.
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Clay Travis
It also simplifies and makes people aware of what, what danger there's a political.
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Buck Sexton
Component to it or Awareness component as well.
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Clay Travis
Yeah. And you just shouldn't do this. I mean, it's. It's dangerous, and it's just awful. I mean, there are a lot of things out there where you can say, we talked about this with death threats. Unfortunately, we got some at the house during the election season. Like I think you should. There are several things that are sort of new because people haven't had access to direct messages and social media and cell phones, everything else that are new. Crimes that we need to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law to just make it clear, this is not a prank. This is not something you can play around with. And I agree with you. I think that could make a lot of sense. Look, think back to your days in school, whenever those might have been recent, long time ago. Maybe you missed some of the courses that you wish you had taken. Uh, maybe. Possibly you didn't get up as early as you should have. Maybe you didn't get to go to college. Maybe you've got a little bit more free time now and you're aware, hey, I've got a little bit of an absence. I wish I had more functional knowledge about World War I, World War II, the Constitution, Mark Twain, Jane Austen, whoever it might be out there. This is, I think, beyond a shadow of a doubt, something that you should be taking advantage of, and that's at Hillsdale College. Professors, passionate about what they teach, want everybody to benefit from learning. So what Hillsdale College professors have done is create dozens of online video courses on a variety of subjects. Free to watch. No tests, no homework. Pure learning for the sake of being more informed. Millions of Americans taken one or more of those courses. They've got nearly 40 of them, and they focus on everything under the sun. No grades. They're online. You can take them at your convenience. So you don't have to worry about scheduling, you don't have to worry about grades. Just learning for learning sake. From the Constitution. Like I mentioned, World wars, great civilizations like the history of ancient Rome. You can learn so much about the world around you, all for free at clay and buckforhillsdale.com no cost. Easy to get started. Clay and Buck f o r hillsdale.com One more time. Clayand buck4hillsdale.com News you can count on.
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