Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Mar 19 2025

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show Episode: Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Mar 19, 2025
Release Date: March 19, 2025

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1. March Madness Teaser

Timestamp: [00:00 - 01:04]

Clay Travis kicks off the episode by teasing an upcoming March Madness bracket challenge between himself and Buck Sexton. He humorously notes Buck’s lack of knowledge about the games, promising an entertaining competition with a steak dinner at stake. Buck adds, "Putting my money where my mouth is on this one. My bracketology may surprise some of you very much so." ([01:04])

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2. Elon Musk, Tesla, and Federal Government Criticism

Timestamp: [01:11 - 15:24]

Elon Musk and SpaceX Achievements

Clay praises Elon Musk and SpaceX for successfully returning astronauts who were stranded for eight months, expressing admiration for Musk’s capabilities compared to NASA. He laments, "He caught up with NASA after they had roughly a 70-year head start on him and he's now better at that." ([03:21])

Tesla Advocacy and Anti-Elon Sentiment

The conversation shifts to Tesla, where Clay and Buck vehemently defend the company against acts of vandalism and societal backlash. Clay asserts, "There's no one who's done more to try to fight the impact of gas-powered vehicles than Elon in the history of the world." ([05:25]) Buck emphasizes the importance of supporting companies that align with one's values, stating, "There are opportunities to align your economic activity with your beliefs in the country that you want to live in." ([07:18])

Political and Economic Alignment

Buck introduces the concept of a "patriotic economy," encouraging listeners to support businesses that reflect their American values. Clay echoes this sentiment, urging the audience to "align your purchasing decisions with things that you believe are good for the country." ([10:18])

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3. Judicial Actions Against Former President Trump

Timestamp: [15:24 - 29:23]

Surge in Injunctions

Clay outlines the unprecedented number of injunctions filed against Trump, comparing them to historical figures like George W. Bush and Barack Obama. He highlights, "Total injunctions that were put in place during George W. Bush's time in office. Six. Three of them were by the opposing party, Barack Obama. [...] Now, Trump has already been president for four years. According to our friend hyatt libs of TikTok, 96 different injunctions have taken place now against Trump." ([19:35])

Federal Judges’ Overreach

Buck discusses the lifetime tenure of federal district court judges and their role in hindering Trump's presidential actions. He warns, "They are using the courts to try to stop the Trump administration from doing what I believe he's been duly elected to undertake." ([24:42])

Supreme Court’s Potential Role

Clay expresses skepticism about the Supreme Court's willingness to intervene, noting the institutionalist nature of justices like Amy Coney Barrett and Chief Justice Roberts. "I don't agree with Elon and everything to be clear, [...] I am very skeptical that Roberts in particular is going to be very helpful of Trump." ([27:39])

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4. IRS Whistleblowers and Hunter Biden Scandal

Timestamp: [32:33 - 47:05]

Introduction of Miranda Devine

Miranda Devine joins the show to discuss the vindication of IRS whistleblowers Gary Shapley and Joe Ziegler, who investigated Hunter Biden’s tax crimes. She reveals their promotion under the Trump administration, stating, "Scott Besant has just jumped in, promoted both of them to important positions, first of all, as senior advisers in his office, helping guide the reform of the IRS." ([33:14])

Hunter Biden’s Lifestyle and Legal Troubles

Clay and Buck critique Hunter Biden’s extravagant lifestyle and questionable decisions. Miranda details Hunter’s excessive Secret Service detail and his luxurious vacations, questioning his financial integrity. "Hunter Biden is spending 90 days in Cape Town with his wife, Melissa Cohen," she notes, highlighting the disconnect between his claims of poverty and his actions. ([36:54])

Impact of Investigative Journalism

Miranda commends the investigative efforts that led to the exposure of Hunter Biden’s misconduct. She explains how collaboration with private investigators and media outlets like the New York Post brought these issues to light, prompting action from the Trump administration. "Donald Trump said there were 18 Secret Service agents with him in South Africa. That kind of makes sense because he has two agents assigned to him." ([43:46])

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5. Audience Engagement: White College-Educated Women and Political Alignment

Timestamp: [47:05 - 61:00]

Disparity in Political Preferences

Clay presents data indicating that college-educated white women overwhelmingly dislike Trump, a sentiment not shared by other white demographics. "College educated white women hate Trump. They're the only group of white voters that hates Trump." ([50:27])

Listener Calls and Perspectives

Several callers share their experiences and opinions, highlighting a perceived shift in political alignment among college-educated women. One caller from Raleigh mentions, "I am a college educated woman with a master's degree in education administration. I worked until 39, got married and had my son. I love Trump." ([50:55])

Another caller from San Antonio criticizes the entitlement and lack of work ethic among college-educated women, stating, "These ladies that are doing this, they couldn't be bothered by dirtying their hands doing menial work waitressing or working the kitchen or working in some kind of hands on product." ([56:48])

Analysis of Social Media Influence

Buck attributes the political leanings of college-educated women to social media's influence, suggesting that emotional and empathetic narratives drive their support for liberal causes. "The emotional blackmail that we are all put through in college by the woke machinery is particularly effective on women." ([53:30])

Clay adds that social media fosters competition for emotional validation, detaching individuals from real-world responsibilities and fostering unrealistic aspirations. "The mindset of self-actualization through selfies is really damaging." ([59:46])

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6. Closing Remarks and Final Discussions

Timestamp: [61:00 - End]

Clay and Buck wrap up the episode by encouraging listeners to engage via the Talkback feature and share their thoughts. They reiterate support for Trump’s initiatives and emphasize the importance of aligning personal values with economic choices. The show concludes with final anecdotes and light-hearted banter about upcoming events and supportive messages to listeners.

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Notable Quotes

• Clay Travis: "Elon Musk has done more to fight the impact of gas-powered vehicles than anyone in history." ([03:21])

• Buck Sexton: "There are opportunities to align your economic activity with your beliefs in the country that you want to live in." ([07:18])

• Miranda Devine: "Hunter Biden is spending 90 days in Cape Town with his wife, Melissa Cohen." ([36:54])

• Caller from San Antonio: "These ladies that are doing this, they couldn't be bothered by dirtying their hands doing menial work waitressing or working the kitchen or working in some kind of hands on product." ([56:48])

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Conclusion

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into a range of topics from celebrating Elon Musk’s achievements and defending Tesla against societal backlash to critiquing the surge of judicial actions impeding former President Trump’s initiatives. The introduction of Miranda Devine sheds light on the ongoing investigations into Hunter Biden, highlighting concerns over political corruption. Additionally, the show engages in a critical analysis of the political leanings of college-educated white women, exploring the influence of social media and societal expectations on their disenchantment with Trump. Through a blend of political commentary, guest insights, and audience interaction, the episode offers a comprehensive look into current political dynamics and societal trends.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Putting my money where my mouth is on this one. My bracketology may surprise some of you very much so.

[Clay Travis]

Ok, we got a lot that's going on happening in real time here. Trump has just completed a phone call with Zelensky. He talked to Putin yesterday and he just put out a message saying there will be more details on his hour long phone call that will soon be up. As we certainly are hoping that we're going to get a ceasefire and working towards peace in Europe. We will update you on exactly what happened there. Positive news, SpaceX Elon Musk brought back our two astronauts that had been stranded for eight months. I don't know that we've talked about this, Buck. I don't know how you think you would do with this. I would lose my mind. There are a few things that I could not do. I could not get. And I bet we have a bunch of guys and gals who have done this. I could not get on a submarine and go under the water for like six months. I would go completely bonkers and insane. They have to do some of you.

[Buck Sexton]

Psychological testing because of that. And obviously people think they're not claustrophobic until they're put in a situation where claustrophobia is a real problem.

[Clay Travis]

I would lose it. I mean, if you told me, hey, you're going to go underwater for a couple of hours, I think I could do it. If you told me for months I would lose my Mind, I give credit to these astronauts. They thought they were going to space for eight days and instead they ended up in space for eight months. Whatever you do, can you imagine if you thought you were going somewhere for eight days and you had to stay for eight months? I think even on Earth, many people would lose it over a situation such as that. The fact that we have to rely on Elon Musk to save our astronauts because he's better at sending people to space now and sending rocket ships to space than NASA is both an incredible endorsement of Elon and an absolute indictment of our federal tax dollars and what they have done. He caught up with NASA after they had roughly a 70 year head start on him and he's now better at that.

[Buck Sexton]

If you hate Elon all of a sudden, you're a loser. Yeah, I don't know how to put it better than that. This guy is incredible. And what he is trying to do in the government, it's not like he showed up and stuck, you know, stuck himself in the middle of the abortion debate or even the climate change debate because he's actually pretty pro climate change movement. Right, right. He's just trying to help fix the government, which is a mess. And he's the best CEO on the planet. And he's better, as you've said, sending rockets than NASA or any sovereign government on the planet. Keep in mind, he's better than China, he's better than Russia, and people are burning Teslas in protest. This has really been catching up. This is. There's more and more of this.

[Clay Travis]

Well, let's talk about this because I thought we were going to talk about something else, but. But I'm really fired up about this too. And I know you talked about it with yesterday with Will Kaine. I was just on Fox News talking about it. You sent me. Cause I, I don't know, I. I'm not. We talked about yesterday. You and I are not car guys. Right? There are people out there that are.

[Buck Sexton]

We are catching some flack for this, by the way. Apparently you and I like to get our hair done in the backseat, maybe get our nails filed, you know.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I don't, I'm not a car guy, but I went downstairs yesterday after you sent me the Tesla SUV prices or whatever you texted it to me and I went down talk to my wife because she's got a big Escalade suv, as many moms do, because we've got three boys that take up a lot of space and all their gear and all their friends and everything else. So but that car has been, it's got over a hundred thousand miles on it. So we've been talking about getting a new car, one of our boys going to go off to college next year. So, so we've got, you know, some, some life changes going on. And I said, have you thought about this Tesla suv? And so we're going to go look at the Tesla suv and I'm inclined to buy a Tesla. Buck, fortunate to have the means to be able to buy a car, not have to worry about, about the cost side. I understand that is not true for everybody.

[Buck Sexton]

Can we just throw out there you can get incredible deals on Teslas right now.

[Clay Travis]

That's what you told me. Like I was kind of blown away by how affordable they are. But I want to send a message that is the opposite of the I'm going to key this vehicle, I'm going to light it on fire. The domestic terrorism that we are seeing everywhere. Whatever you think about Elon, to your point, Buck, he's trying to save every taxpayer money by locating and eliminating waste and fraud in our federal government. Everyone, this just hit you, and I knew this, but the Twitter X stock is now back to the same price that Elon bought it at for both debt purposes and also individual shareholder investments that SpaceX is worth hundreds of billions of dollars. He's Tesla stock is being attacked. And we'll play some audio with you for you of that which I think frankly is despicable. It's one of the most successful American corporations in the history of the world. I don't know why you would be trying to destroy it when it is like if you're a climate change zealot, which all these people claim to be. There's truly no one who's done more to try to fight the impact of gas powered vehicles than Elon in the history of the world. And so all of this is crazy. And I'm inclined, Buck, to go buy a Tesla to show support for Elon across the board and stand up against the firebombings and the terror attacks basically that I believe are occurring against Tesla.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is, this is very important and we are going to talk about the judicial coup here momentarily. Just, you know, we're very on this. Clay and I have been going back and forth this morning on it. We know what a problem this is, the biggest challenge Trump faces. But let's finish this discussion here about Tesla because I think this really does matter a lot. We used to talk, Clay, under the Biden administration about the parallel economy. Really now we should just be talking about the patriotic economy.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

We have now major companies, major corporations. I can't list them all right now, but you know what they are that have either been built aligned with freedom and pro American values, or in some cases, have realigned themselves with pro American values and freedom. And we all make choices every day. And this is not a Crockett coffee ad, but it should be. Or it could be because you should.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, we're putting our money where our mouth is on. We're not just, you know, speaking into the ether and not having any.

[Buck Sexton]

And people say, well, why are you starting coffee? That's just to get the business going. Crockett is going to be a bigger business with a whole range of products and things, but it's aligned with your values. It supports causes you care about. Obviously, Tesla's a, you know, a trillion dollar company, so it's on a much, much bigger scale. The point here, though, is I think that we all should remember that we used to on the right. And, you know, Clay, I've been doing this now for 15 years and talking about how we're getting kicked in the face by Google, we're getting kicked in the face by corporate America. We're constantly being mistreated by all these companies. Now the shift has happened and now you can all decide every day when you can. I know it's not always a choice. I know some of you are going to come at me for still subscribing to Netflix, and I should probably rethink that. But when you have the option to support a company that supports your values, like car companies, I mean, I'm talking about the big ticket items now, not just the everyday consumables. Do you step up and do you make the decision or not? Now, I know some of you don't like electric cars. That's fine. I'm just saying there are opportunities. Now, Carrie and I are thinking about, you know, we've had a couple of issues here with the Internet in South Florida. And as you remember, some of you saw, I went into. Into the actually was power, not even electricity or not even Internet. But I was in the dark during the show. Just everything went off here. But we thought about getting a Starlink. And Carrie said to me, you know what I think is a good idea? Getting a Starlink. And I said to her, yeah, and I want to support Elon's companies because Elon is supporting saving the America that we all want to live in. He's not the only one. All the sponsors on this show. And again, I know this sounds like I'm doing a commercial, but it's not. They all stand with your values, so every time you buy with them, yeah, you're getting a good product. Of course, we have a lot of people that want to partner with us. We just have no interest in, like, we won't take money from certain people. We've turned down more business than we've taken overall. The point here is we see that there are opportunities to align your economic activity with your beliefs in the country that you want to live in. And the other side has known this for a long time. And the other side acts out. And that's why they're burning Teslas like Luna. And it's not just the burning Teslas. You have mainstream Clay, like MSNBC to whatever degree that's mainstream. Anchors who are elated that Tesla stock is down substantially. If you care about climate change, if you care about the environment, if you care about a great American. Is there a car that is more American made than Tesla? I don't think so.

[Clay Travis]

I don't think so.

[Buck Sexton]

And so if you care about any of those things, why are you praising the. By the way, it's a downturn in the stock. I would never bet against Elon. I'm just going to say that. But did you see what I mean? This is. Yeah, this is a moment of choosing for everybody. So I don't think, and I think to your point, by the way, Clay, for your. You got a 17 year old, right? I've got a 17. We're close friends with neighbors. They've got a 17 year old boy. They just got him a Tesla. He loves that car. And they love that car. It's super safe, it's aligned with their values and it can even drive him to school.

[Clay Travis]

That's what we're thinking about. Because any of you who have ever been a teenage boy, teenage boys are the biggest morons on the planet. Everyone out there, if you raised one, if you have been one at any point in time. Teenage boys make irrational, stupid decisions more than any, I really believe this, that are dangerous. Teenage girls also do all sorts of stupid things, I'm sure. But teenage boys actually do things that are more physically dangerous, typically than teenage girls cars like I'm, I'm worried about, he's got his driver's license, but I'm worried about him. As you worry if you have a teenage driver, anybody does. A Tesla feels like to me one of the safest vehicles that a young teenage driver could be behind the wheel of and look, I understand, I mean a car is a big purchase decision, but look at what they're doing. And your point I think is a good one, Buck, because there are some things that are super third rail controversial. If Elon was like, hey, I'm going to tell you I believe that we should have partial birth abortions and I'm just going to dive directly into something like that. I can understand why you invite that.

[Buck Sexton]

Heat, you get that heat. I understand.

[Clay Travis]

But hey, I'm. All he's done is try to eliminate waste and fraud in the government. And remember, he voted for Joe Biden in 2020 against Trump. He voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. The idea that this is somehow a far right ideologue, he is just doing. He, he has woken up. I really believe this and recognize that America's on a perilous path. If we have a $36 trillion deficit, we have to figure out a way to balance the federal budget. And if we don't, there are going to be incredibly profound consequences for the most important country in the world. That is this one.

[Buck Sexton]

He is legitimately and truly working day in and day out. I don't agree with Elon and everything to be clear, like there's a lot that I could sit here with and say, you know, I don't necessarily see it that way. But also he is the greatest and most most impressive current CEO living at a time when companies that he is, he has built from effectively nothing have changed the world we live in, they are changing. There is a space economy, a space based economy. Now that did not exist before. Okay. Outer space is now part of economic activity in a way that was not. He's doing all these things, Clay. What he is trying to accomplish, if he is successful benefits every single American. And I would argue because of the reverberations of the American economy globally really benefits the whole planet. Ok, so these. And it's not just the maniacs lighting cars on fire. That's the, you know, that's the left wing vanguard. That's the, you know, they're lunatics. They've always been lunatics. But the fact that the mainstream Democrat party has now turned anti Elon just goes to show you they'd rather watch us all burn down than allow somebody who likes President Trump to do great things for all of us. And that's like a psychosis. It truly there's something wrong with these people. If I swear to you, if Elon was trying to do this for Joe Biden, we'd be sitting here being like Look, Biden's an imbecile. I don't like it. You know, but what Elon's doing is pretty good. You know what I mean? Like, I'm telling you, if he was truly trying to cut fat and weight. But the Democrats would never allow that. That's the truth.

[Clay Travis]

I agree. And this is going to be, by the way, a story that is going to continue to propel as we move forward. And look, I think all of you out there, we've been saying it for a long time. We build businesses based on it. You should align your purchasing decisions with things that you believe are good for the country. Right. And maybe at some point, the whole concept of a parallel economy. Buck. Will be unnecessary because every company will just say, hey, I want to serve everybody across the entire political spectrum evenly. We're getting a little bit more of that, but we're not there yet. And Elon's under attack. And I think if you have the ability and the. And the. And the opportunity, I would just look at a Tesla. I really would.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. And they're. They're phenomenal in a lot of ways. And by the way, we are not. We are not sponsored by Tesla.

[Clay Travis]

Don't get anybody.

[Buck Sexton]

I wish.

[Clay Travis]

Zero. Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

I would take. I would take Tesla money from Uncle Elon and sell you.

[Clay Travis]

We would be very happy to be. Clay and Buck. Brought to you by Tesla. We never had a car ad on the company in four years. So it's not like we've been, you know, like, nobody's come and tried to buy. Buy car ads that I'm aware of.

[Buck Sexton]

Somebody who's making an amazing product and ideologically aligned. That's like a lot of our. That is our sponsorship base here. So, speaking of sponsors, let's talk about tax season. Clay, this is gonna stay. Gotta pull together all your stuff.

[Clay Travis]

You know, I hate it.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Buck, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton mic drops that never sounded so good. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Okay, let's dive into this, Buck and I'm gonna try to talk as both a lawyer and someone who is unhappy with what's going on, which is, by the way, for lawyers, not necessarily an uncommon perspective to find yourself in. So we have talked about what The Trump Resistance 2.0 was going to look like compared to the Trump Resistance 1.0. Tru and I want to see if you agree with this overall thesis. Buck Trump Resistance 1.0 was actually primarily driven by the Democrat Party. They all lined up their media allies in the legacy media. They put Democracy Dies in Darkness at the top of the Washington Post. They laid out a direct attack. They tried to argue Russia collusion. They had everybody moving in the same direction. The legacy media and the Democrat Party. There now is a void, I would say, at both of those places. The Democrats do not really have a leader. Um, they have a lot of squawking from people like Jasmine Crockett and people like even now, Tim Walls will play some audio from of you of him for you. Gavin Newsom is kind of floundering around. Kamala Harris has vanished for the meantime, Joe Biden, nobody's seen him. There is a, there's a leadership void of a substantial level right now at the Democrat Party. Hakeem Jeffries is a shadow compared to the power that Nancy Pelosi wielded as the head in the, in the House, Chuck Schumer is under siege in the Senate. What has emerged as Trump 2.0 challenge is nothing like what we saw with Trump 1.0. Trump 2.0, the challenge is being led by all of these federal district court judges who are deciding to try to enjoin that is stopped Trump from doing his Presidential actions at a level, frankly that we have never seen before in terms of what they are trying to stop. And I've got some numbers for you here, Buck. Total injunctions that were put in place during George W. Bush's time in office. Six. Three of them were by the opposing party, Barack Obama. Total injunctions, 12. Seven of them came from the opposing party.

[Buck Sexton]

12 and eight years.

[Clay Travis]

Correct. These are, these are 12 and eight years. This is their entire tenure. OK. Joe Biden during his 14. Sorry, during his four year term, 14 injunctions. Okay. These are tiny numbers we are seeing right now, Buck. Numbers that are off the charts even compared to what we saw in the first Trump term. The numbers right now, I believe I have this accurate. This is from our friend hyatt libs of TikTok. 96 different injunctions that have taken place now against Trump. The vast majority of those injunctions, 83 having been issued by Democrat appointed federal district court judges.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, here's. It's been 15. In a month, Clay.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

In one month. Let me think about that. Right? In a. Trump has already been president for four years. If you add them all up, this. And to give a sense to everybody of what these injunctions cover. And I mentioned this, the president of El Salvador, who you would think, and you know, I got to say, all of Latin America should be looking at this guy and the miracle that he has pulled off in El Salvador and saying, hey, what did he do? How did he accomplish that? But there's not really. And certainly the American left should be thinking the same thing. Maybe there's something to learn here about turning a country from a unsafe hellhole into a very safe place where people feel prosperous and happy about the future. Anyway, he said that the US Is facing a judicial coup and that got a lot of attention. I think that's correct, Clay. Four federal judges just this month have ordered the following. The reinstatement of all the USAID workers who were fired. Trump having to tell a flight in midair to return to US Airspace and to land here. The blocking of transgender prohibitions in the military. Did you see that? That's, that's the latest one. Reinstatement of Department of Education grants. I mean, this is. Who's in charge. Who runs the federal government. If Trump can't fire anybody and change any discretionary spending done in the executive branch and make any determinations about policy, who's the president?

[Clay Travis]

Well, and this is super important, too. The Supreme Court, we understand, has ultimate authority on the law of the land. It takes five Supreme Court justices to issue a ruling. And that is the rule, the law of the land. Right now, what we have is hundreds of federal district court judges that are throwing themselves in front of Trump's actions. One single judge is trying to overrule the President of the United States. And what they are taking advantage of is an opportunity to try and run out the clock when it comes to the Trump term and power. Because what they know is, and we told you this, and this is why the Trump team is trying to move so fast. You don't know what's going to happen in 2026. Believe it or not, 2026, the elections are going to be here very, very soon. And by the time we get to next year, they're going to be trying to really slow down anything that can be passed in Congress at all. And Trump is likely buck to be able to keep the Senate, maybe even expand his majority in the Senate. But we're talking about the House coming down to just a couple of races, and the likelihood right now is it's going to be very hard to maintain a majority in the House. And so they're trying to keep him from getting anything done.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is, this is the single biggest challenge that Trump has to the agenda right now. And it comes from unelected, appointed judges who also really suffer no consequences because of their lifetime tenure for completely unprofessional and overreaching judicial diktats. And I think that this is the, this is the biggest challenge the Trump team faces. They knew this was coming. He already went up against this in the first term. But I'm not sure that we can count on the Supreme Court to give the necessary relief to this process. Because unfortunately, Amy Coney Barrett and Justice Roberts, Chief Justice Roberts, are institutionalists at their core, and they believe that there's some system that is run by elites that has to be protected even when it is not, in fact, conducive to the will of the people. And that's, that's a big challenge. This is a major problem that the Trump team faces right now. I hope the Supreme Court steps in, but the strategy right now is just slow everything down to a crawl via judges, and by the time the midterms come around, we'll have thwarted Trump. That's their whole plan. They have nothing else.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, and I understand a lot of people out there because we had to talk so much about the legal system with the Trump attacks, whether it was civil, whether it was criminal. Let me give you just a 30 second rough overview of how this process works. There are team in New York, you can look up the number. I think there are something like 800 federal district court judges in the United States. That's a huge number. These judges all have lifetime tenure. They work these federal district court judges as sort of the single a, if you're a sports fan, the single A level of, of the court system. Their opinions are then appealed to the federal district court. And there are 13 federal district courts in the United States. And I used to be an expert on this back when I was taking the bar exam and studying for it and everything else. But the federal district courts will pull together multiple different state courts. So you'll have, for instance, in the sixth Circuit, where I live, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio is the sixth Circuit, ninth Circuit, for instance. And again, I'm doing this off the top of my head is the West Coast, California, Oregon, Washington. You guys can correct me if I'm wrong. In, in our New York studios, this is why we need a real time fact checker to make sure I don't screw all this up. You appeal to multiple judges at the circuit court level so an individual judge can make a decision at the federal court level. It then can take buck months for the federal circuit court to rule. And then above the federal circuit court is the Supreme Court. And there are cases where from the federal district court to the Supreme Court, we're talking about a year, years that the pro. This is why I hated being a litigator, because it was so slow moving and I just wanted to go, go, go. But they are using the courts to try to stop the Trump administration from doing what I believe he's been duly elected to, to, to undertake. And so what you really have is a argument about where does executive authority and where does judicial authority actually where is the line of power? And what these federal district court judges are doing is they're gambling that even if they get overturned, that they are going to be able to slow down the gears of government and keep Trump from being able to enact the executive plans that he was elected to enact. And so you got all these Democrat judges that are basically throwing themselves in front of the train tracks to try to keep the Trump train from rolling. That's, I hope, somewhat of an understandable explanation for what's going on.

[Buck Sexton]

Big picture, am I too cynical about how the Supreme Court is going to play into this? Do you have more hope than me? Come on, Lawyer Clay.

[Clay Travis]

So I was actually, I would say optimistic. And I think I ended up being optimistic for a good reason as it pertained to Hunter Biden and what whether they were going to let him get off scot free. And thanks to Judge Meiselle, if I remember her name correctly, in Delaware, that didn't happen. I am very skeptical that Roberts in particular is going to be very helpful of Trump. Now. They were very helpful of Trump on presidential powers as it pertained to the charges that were brought against him. But the problem you run into here is Trump's only got three and a half years.

[Buck Sexton]

And here's the other thing that was, even though it was Trump and so that blinded all the libs, that was certainly institutionalist in nature. Meaning, yes, they understood if you can prosecute a president for things he does as president you don't like, the whole system collapses.

[Clay Travis]

Recognize for every president in years into the future. Right.

[Buck Sexton]

So you know, in two terms, when it's president, so and so and the Democrats freak out and they start prosecuting him again. I mean, the whole system starts to collapse on itself. In this case, it's not that you should, you know, wipe away the federal judges or anything, the judiciary. It's that there needs to be a willingness to strike down the overreach that has become systematic and intentional to undermine the executive branch at its core. I don't know, you know, I don't know how they see that. I, you know, Amy Coney Barrett, good on abortion, bad on pretty much a lot of other things.

[Clay Travis]

So that's, so here's the, here's the challenge illegally, Buck. And this is why I think they're having some success. A lot of this is fact based determination, meaning where exactly the line is drawn between presidential authority and judicial action is somewhat complicated. I liked Stephen Miller yesterday. We played the audio where he said clearly a federal circuit district court judge can't stop the President from moving as commander in chief brigades around overseas.

[Buck Sexton]

The only thing that a federal judge can't do, apparently is stop a president from starting a war. Okay, well I'm glad to know that that's there.

[Clay Travis]

But it is significant. They said that the plane was already in international waters. The federal district court judge jurisdiction does not extend by and large to international decisions made by the President of the United States. But does it extend to all of these minute, different details? Easy answer. We don't know. I don't believe so. But asking the courts to have to shepherd all of this and determine all of it is very complicated. And the ultimate goal is just to stop. They just want, they don't, they don't really care. They just remember when Biden said buck, it was very telling I can't do this, but I'm going to do it anyway because it's going to take the Supreme Court a while to rule on it.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Guys on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast, a new episode every Sunday. Find it on the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcast.

[Buck Sexton]

We are joined by our friend Miranda Devine. She has books like Laptop from Hell and the Big Guy. Got a great piece at the New York Post as well, where she's a columnist on the Secret Service Situation with the Bidens. The the IRS whistleblowers. So much more to talk about. Miranda, thanks for being here. Let's start with this. The IRS whistleblowers who are the ones investigating Hunter Biden and you were all over that story, as we know and this audience will remember you from that they were initially ostracized. They have gotten quite a promotion under Trump. Tell us what's going on here.

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah, hi, Clan Buck. This is absolutely fantastic news, and really, I think, the first vindication that we've seen in the Trump administration of these valiant whistleblowers. There were a number of them who stuck their head up above the parapet to warn the American people about various malfeasances under Joe Biden. And these two guys are IRS investigators Gary Shapley and Joe Ziegler. They were the ones who kiboshed the Hunter Biden sweetheart deal on his tax crimes. And that was two years since they've been ostracized and retaliated against by their superiors in the irs. And so Scott Besant, the Treasury Secretary, has just jumped in, promoted both of them to important positions, first of all, as senior advisers in his office, helping guide the reform of the irs. That's going to be pretty radical. And then after one year, they will go back into the agency in very senior leadership positions. And in fact, just today, Scott Besant has said that Gary Shapley, who was the senior supervisory agent on the Hunter Biden case, he will be the deputy head of criminal investigations at the irs.

[Clay Travis]

There's a lot going on, Miranda. It's like every day you gotta keep your head on a swivel. But even when it comes to crazy levels of insane corruption, were you blown away by how many people were protecting Hunter Biden? Because Buck and I, when we had this conversation on the show, I mean, I was in disbelief, to say nothing of the fact that he's going on luxurious vacations to South Africa while he's claiming poverty here in the United States. What? And I'm glad, by the way, that the Trump administration has pulled the protection of Hunter Biden. But even with the understanding of how much craziness and wasted funds there are in the federal government, did it astound you how big the security detail was for Hunter Biden?

[Miranda Devine]

Not really, because I have seen him, for instance, last summer when he was in court in Delaware, in Wilmington, over these gun felonies that he was convicted on. Every day he would arrive in a gigantic motorcade, you know, of black Secret Service Cadillacs with, you know, I don't know, it seemed like vast armies. Donald Trump has said there were 18 Secret Service agents with him in South Africa. That kind of makes sense because he has two agents assigned to him. His wife, Melissa Cohen, has two agents. So that's four. You've got three shifts of eight hours, so you're already up to 12. And then, you know, you've got to have extras because they can't be expected to work seven days a week. So it kind of makes sense that 18 agents would have flown over to South Africa. We're told by Garrett Ziegler from Marco Polo, who's had a private eye following, following Hunter Biden, because Hunter Biden's suing him. And he wanted to find out if Hunter Biden was sort of flouting the court orders. And he Garrett Ziegler has said that Hunter Biden is spending 90 days in Cape Town with his wife, Melissa Cohen.

[Clay Travis]

Who was born how many days?

[Miranda Devine]

93 months?

[Buck Sexton]

3.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, this is crazy, Buck.

[Miranda Devine]

And what's he having a vacation from? Because he never does anything. He's a proper job since he first left university. And he went and worked for one of his father's, you know, donors in Delaware, MNBA or mbna, which is a big credit card company that gave him a job on an inflated salary that he would not have had if he hadn't been Joe Biden's son. And he was bored with that, so he just walked away from it. And ever since, he's just grifted off his father's name.

[Buck Sexton]

How is the Biden brand doing for the grift these days? MIRANDA we had a sad story that we had to bring to this audience that if any of our listeners had purchased a Hunter Biden oil painting, unfortunately, the value does not seem to have skyrocketed.

[Miranda Devine]

Yes, I know. It's funny, isn't it, how as soon as Joe Biden lost power, Hunter Biden suddenly broke. He can't sell his paintings. No one's buying his awful book. Funny about that. And they're not giving him jobs. Oligarchs are not offering him millions of dollars to do nothing. So he's now crying poor. And he told the court in California that he couldn't continue with his lawsuit against Garrett Ziegler and Marco Polo because he just didn't have the funds to pay his lawyer, which sort of made sense because Abby Lowell is a pretty expensive lawyer who sort of marshaled all his court cases while Joe Biden was vice president. But after the pardon, he seemed to vanish from the scene. And I remember being in court one time and Abby Loll was complaining bitterly about, you know, being short on resources. So. And that was after Kevin Morris, the sugar brother, the other lawyer from Hollywood, had said that he was closing his wallet to Hunter after having funded his lifestyle for so many years. And also paying off national about $6 million in his tax debts to the IRS. So Kevin Morris has had enough. He's not spending any more money. And so Hunter had to pay for his own lawyers. So maybe he stopped paying them because they didn't show up in California. The that the judge, I think the court had sent out an apb and finally Abby Lowell popped up and said, oh, I've always been working for Hunter Biden. But he had not, he had disappeared. So now he's back on the scene and you know, the money just ratchets up every hour that that guy gets paid. And Hunter Biden is saying he doesn't have the money. So maybe he doesn't.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to Miranda Devine. I can't get over 90 day vacation to South Africa. I mean, look at.

[Buck Sexton]

Any ideas, Clay? No 90 day vacations on this show, sir.

[Clay Travis]

I, I just, he doesn't have an actual job. Like what is he vacationing from? Like, this is like how many people get to go on a three month African safari basically from not having a job in the first place? Like, how does he need to be able to rest and rehabilitate? But I will say, how much difference is it for you, Miranda? And just this world that we live in now to instead of when you're writing articles during the Biden administration, everyone says, oh, that's made up. Oh, that's not true. To win. The New York Post article that you wrote about Hunter Biden's Secret Service detail following him to Africa, the Trump team reads it and they're like, yeah, that's over. We're pulling that. That has to feel amazing to be able to know that you're doing good investigative journalism. And not only is it being widely distributed through the New York Post, which I believe deserves all the Pulitzers that the, what New York Times and the Washington Post actually got for Russia collusion for what you wrote about the Hunter Biden laptops. But how much better does it feel to know that whatever you produce can be acted upon and often will be acted upon by the White House?

[Miranda Devine]

Well, I just have to put in one caveat, that it wasn't really my investigative prowess that got this story. It was actually Garrett Ziegler and Marco Polo with their private investigator who gave the photographs to Laura Loomer, who then very kindly said that I could use. So, you know, I didn't really do a hell of a lot myself other than I talked to or tried to get the White House to respond. And also the department of Homeland Security and also the Secret Service. And I have to say, they all went to ground. They were not at all helpful. They sort of tried to gaslight me in the beginning. Finally, way past my deadline, the Secrets to Service spokesman gave me a quote that said, well, we can't go into methods and blah, blah, but we can confirm that Hunter Biden is a protectee. So I published that quote, published the story. There's outrage. Our reporters in Washington tried to get a question in at the White House press conference, but were not called upon. And then later that day, in a gaggle, I think, at Air Force One, it was, I think a Washington Times reporter actually asked the President about the Hunter Biden 18 strong security secret Service detail in Cape Town. And Donald Trump said, I haven't heard that before, Which, I mean, maybe that's the case. He's very busy. And he said, Well, I mean, 18, that sounds excessive. And I'm going to look at that this afternoon. And sure enough, he then pulled not only the 18 agents that were with Hunter Biden in Cape town, but also 13 agents he said were assigned to Ashley Biden, who's Joe Biden's daughter, the only daughter he has with only child with Jill Biden, Hunter Biden's half sister. And, you know, neither Ashley Biden nor Hunter Biden were eligible to have Secret Service protection after Joe Biden's term ended. It's only, only the children of former presidents up to the age of 16. So there was some. And apparently what I was told off the record, was that Joe Biden made an executive memo before he left office to extend Secret Service protection for his adult children indefinitely. And nobody in the Trump administration had stepped in to stop that until Donald Trump did, until we amplified the work of Laura Loomer and Marco Polo.

[Clay Travis]

All right, I've got a question for you, Miranda. I don't know if you saw, but I'm going to be traveling on Air Force One with President Trump this weekend to go to the NCAA wrestling tournaments. Question for you. Oh, you're going to be there? You're going to be on the plane?

[Miranda Devine]

No, I'm not going to be on the plane, but I'm going to be at the tournament with Tony Bob Linsky, who's one of the other brilliant whistleblowers in the Hunter Biden case.

[Buck Sexton]

I didn't feel left out before, Miranda, but you and Clay taking tequila shots while watching the NCAA wrestling. I might have to, like, hitch a ride or something.

[Clay Travis]

All right, well, I've never met you in person Miranda, I was going to ask you for. Well, I hope to see you on Saturday. Then. I was going to ask you for advice. I bet you've been on Air Force One before. Should I know anything?

[Miranda Devine]

Yes. I went once about three weeks ago when I interviewed President Trump. Gosh, just the food is great. I don't know if you'll have enough time to have a meal. You. The presidential suite at the front of the plane is plush and gorgeous, so I would just keep your eyes peeled. I didn't because I was so concentrating on my questions. But keep your eyes peeled for decor. I wish I'd done that. And get a photograph of yourself. Get the White House photographer to take a photo of you in his office, in Trump's office on Air Force One, interviewing him, because that will be a memento for the ages.

[Clay Travis]

I can't wait. I'm so excited about getting to go on Air Force One. I mean, again, I just wanted to ask your advice. By the way, how do you think I'll be received by the White House press corps? Do you think they'll be fans?

[Miranda Devine]

Well, hopefully you won't be actually with them. They sort of are parked down the back of the plane and you probably will get to sit up closer where the staff are.

[Clay Travis]

So that would be much better.

[Miranda Devine]

And then you'll get like the first class service, the more comfortable seats, et cetera. Look, I think probably most of the reporters who are in the White House pool, I know we have our New York Post reporter, Stephen Nelson's been in that several times. I think most of them are just professionals who are trying to do their job. It's only occasionally you'll get someone like that NPR woman the other day who was so clumsy managing the boom mic that it basically crashed into Donald Trump's face and brushed across it. You know, I don't know whether that was deliberate or not. Who knows, but it was certainly clumsy. So I think there are a few real anti Trump people who are in that press pool. So hopefully on the day that you go, they won't be there.

[Clay Travis]

Fingers crossed. I'm looking forward to seeing you Saturday, by the way.

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah, me too. I hope, I hope we get a chance. I think there'll be a lot of people there. But Tony Bobulinski is an absolute legend. Penn State wrestling, wrestling champion and obviously whistleblower champion against the Bidens. He was Hunter Biden's former business partner and he really went all out during the campaign to campaign in Pennsylvania to get the whole Penn State team wrestling team on board with Donald Trump, which they are. And so we're rooting for Penn State.

[Clay Travis]

Awesome. I can't wait. Miranda, keep up the killer work, and I hope to see you this weekend.

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah, you too. Thanks so much, guys.

[Clay Travis]

She's done such a good job.

[Buck Sexton]

She's been hanging out this weekend. You know, the Buckster getting left. Get left behind while you and Miranda are clinking the champagne glasses, flying around on the jet. I see how it is.

[Clay Travis]

I will say, Miranda, because you killed it at. What was that? The New York speech that you gave?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, no, no.

[Clay Travis]

But for Buck, like, oh, yeah, yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

She texted me when you were at the Metropolitan Republic. The Buckster is fantastic at the live events. Just throwing that out there for any of you who are looking for a keynote. And I gave a speech, and she missed it, but then we hung out afterwards and carried.

[Clay Travis]

Well, she texted me and said, I heard Buck was great at his New York speech. I want to be able to hang out with him. And I was like, well, I got to get you guys on a text chain. And you guys just went out and party the night away.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, your boy Buck gets it done. No notes, no nothing throws down. That's how we do.

[Clay Travis]

By the way, appreciate everybody out there who was at the Nashville Davidson County GOP event last night. I spoke to them in the great state of Tennessee. So if you guys are listening right now, really fun time there. Appreciate y'all hanging out there. And if you're out there right now and you're thinking, you know what? I need a little bit more education. Maybe about the Constitution, maybe about World War I, maybe about World War II, maybe, heck, about Mark Twain or Jane Austen or all different sorts of different topics out there. It's really kind of amazing. You can get hooked up right [e-mail] the incredible work of the Hillsdale faculty on video. No grades, no schedule other than your freedom. Do you want to learn a little bit more? Would you like to have more of knowledge? Maybe you didn't get to go to college. Maybe you didn't necessarily make it to every lecture, and you've got some education you'd like to stack together. Again, no grades, no schedule other than your own. It's learning for learning sake. Go check it out. I'm blown away by how fantastic this is. All for free. Clay and buck4hillsdale.com One more time. Clay and buck4hillsdale.com you don't know what you don't know, right? But you could on the Sunday, hang with Clay and Buck Podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show sharing this data from Steve Kornacki. And I was just laying it out. College educated white women, they hate Trump. They're the only group of white voters that hates Trump. In fact, he has a positive review of everybody else. And the difference between white men with no college degree and white women with college degrees has probably never been more expansive. Huge difference. White women with college degrees hate Elon, they hate Doge, they hate the Republican Party, they love Zelensky, and they also, Buck, love dei. So basically, white women with college degrees as a group, I know there are many white women with college degrees that are listening to us right now are divergent from every other white person in America in a massive way. White men with college degrees are not similar to white women with college degrees. And certainly white women and men without college degrees are not similar at all either. A bunch of people want to weigh in. And let's start with Lois in Raleigh, North Carolina. What do you think is to explain this?

[Caller 1]

Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. I am an college educated woman with a master's degree in education administration. I worked until 39, got married and had my son. I love Trump. And I think maybe some of these women, because I know some are very angry, maybe they're even kind of intimidating. And so they kind of put people off a little. I don't know. But that's been my experience, so. But I love Trump and I'm a college educated woman and white.

[Buck Sexton]

Right? Well, we know, we know there are a lot of, we know there are a lot of you out there. I'm curious. I mean, when you say, did you have peers, you know, women who are in your program, let's say your master's program, like, what, what has their experience been? Because you said, I think you got married at 39, you a kid, you know, it all worked out for you. Right? But do you have a lot of people from your master's program who maybe never were able to start a family or feel like they spent too much time in the library or whatever? I'm curious what your general conception or perception is.

[Caller 1]

Well, I guess my perception is I felt they, they sort of gave this go away. I'm, I'm strong, I'm tough, I'm not vulnerable, that type of thing.

[Buck Sexton]

And do you think that was because they were told that they should compete with men in the workplace in a way that was unhealthy? I mean, what's your analysis of it?

[Caller 1]

Oh, I think it's unhealthy. Because I wanted to be married and have a child and be a college educated woman. I wanted to have all of that and I did. I just had to wait.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, I've got a good email here. Thank you for the call, by the way. Thank you. I can mention my wife has double graduate degrees and voted for Trump. So obviously there are a lot of people out there in that camp. But, but on the, on the outlier.

[Buck Sexton]

Thing, you know, Mark Zuckerberg didn't finish college and is one of the richest people on the planet. That doesn't mean that like people shouldn't get an education. Right? Like, it's just, you know, it doesn't. Or that you shouldn't finish college if you think that's going to be good for you.

[Clay Travis]

You know, the exception is not the rule. The outlier typically is an outlier for a reason. Good email here from Katie. She says howdy from San Antonio. College educated Giga Maggies. I mean, she's a Texas A and M grad. I'm a white woman here, voted for Trump. And what I'm interested in is why you think women, not what you did, but why you think these numbers do reflect the truth. There are a lot of people who disagree with you. Here's her explanation. Many of my childhood friends turned extremely liberal while in college. Then they moved into urban suburban areas around Dallas, Austin and Houston. All of my white college educated liberal friends are extremely vocal on social media about the same issues. Abortion, the Alphabet crew nonsense, and above all, pandering to the race. Social causes like blm. It's like they fall all over each other to show who is the most apologetic for being white and who adopts the most pets from their local shelter. Their need to feel morally superior is unmatched. I think that's a really great email that actually makes a lot of sense.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Who? High five to who? Who was the author of that one?

[Clay Travis]

VIP Katie Giga Maggies. Good luck to Texas A and M in the tournament. Based on this, she, she also said, by the way, Texas A and M, one of the exceptions, mostly conservative school, especially compared to that orange school in Austin. Taking a little bit of a shot at University of Texas. But it is interesting that it's like for college educated women, their social stature is a competition to see who can appear the most emotionally empathetic and social media may well drive it.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that the, the emotional blackmail that we are all put through in college by the woke machinery is particularly effective on women. I just think that again, that doesn't mean that all women succumb to it. It just means that I think that women are more likely because they're more. Look, can we, we can speak about these things honestly, right? Women tend to be more empathetic. Women tend to be more in touch with their feelings, you know, in general. Ok, I need some woman to call. Like I could bench press you, Buck. Like I'm sure you can. But generally speaking, women are more. Went full macho man, Randy Savage.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, that's, that's the, that's the lesbian woman from, from the Democrat party that picked Tim Walls as the, the man to appeal to, to men.

[Buck Sexton]

You, you get what I'm, you get what I'm putting down. But I think that women want to be, I'm talking about college women in college who are of that age. Obviously they want to be empathetic, they want to be sympathetic, they want to do what they can for other people. And they are told that to be good people, to be good people, you have to identify with these cosmic clay. A perfect example of this. Zelensky. The college educated women love little Zelensky. Give me more money. I am here for Donald Trump in my T shirt. Like the whole thing, very strange, bizarre when you think about this. Also, what are these college educated women know about what it means to be somewhere where you could get blown up by an IED or shot by a sniper rifle, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And yet they're the ones that are so all in on this Ukraine war situation. Like, think about this for a second. The guys who has fought, who has fought a lot of Americans war. Now I have friends who come from very well off backgrounds who were in the army and in the Marines too. So I'm not, I'm not saying again, we're speaking generalities here, ok? Working class men are the ones who fight America's wars.

[Clay Travis]

Rich man's war, poor man's fight has been a phrase for hundreds of years and it's true across the world.

[Buck Sexton]

It is, you know, 18 year olds from working class backgrounds who are the ones signing up fighting our wars. I don't think anybody would find this a controversial statement. It is the truth and it's interesting that they like Trump, the guy who's trying to end the war. And white college educated women are the ones who are like, Slava, Ukraine, like fight till the very end. The guys know that this stuff is nasty and you want to end it as fast as possible. This is not a video game.

[Clay Travis]

Mary in San Marcos, Texas, what's Your theory on what's going on here?

[Caller 2]

I think they're spoiled brats. I think they think they're enabled and they think that they're better and they think that they're going to do whatever they think they want to do. They are using the female card. I'm in my 60s. It took me a while to get my degree, but I worked my butt off to get my degree, literally because we didn't have federal loans then, we had to pay it as we went. But I very much earned my degree. I am a degree from Texas A and M, Corpus Christi, Texas. But I am a teacher. I retired after 25 years. But before that I was a mechanic in an oil refinery. I was a mechanic in Abbott Laboratories medical manufacturing system. As I said, I worked my butt off. And these ladies that are doing this, they couldn't be bothered by dirtying their hands doing menial work waitressing or working the kitchen or working in some kind of hands on product. They're little, you know, little miss tootsies doing what they want to do. Because I'm a female and I can do this and you know, you have to hire me because I'm entitled. No, you're not.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you for the call. I love it. Thank you for the call. I do think there's a generational divide here, right? Because a lot of women college graduates are recent women college graduates, meaning in the last 20 or 30 years as now, women get way more college degrees. Question for you, Buck. Are women, because of social media far more likely to be susceptible to what their friends do and say than men are? Like, I don't know about you, but.

[Buck Sexton]

I love, really Clay and I. Clay and I hear experts on women. I just think it's kind of funny. Yes. I'm just having, I'm just having a go at you. Yes, I think that you are correct. I think that the. I see this all the time. Can I just tell you something? You know, I have, I still have some friends who are single and I, and I love hearing about, you know, their story. It's great to hear their stories. Right. It's. It's like hearing about people who are out there in the jungle trying to find the tiger still, you know, like I'm, I'm safe at home single.

[Clay Travis]

You got a brother?

[Buck Sexton]

I got an older brother who's, who's a fantastic guy and a very bachelor. A great catch. Just throwing it out there. Great catch. Mason, my older brother, and he's still single. But, you know, I've got a bunch of friends down here as well, who are all single guys. And Clay, the number of women who think it's really appealing to tell guys that their great life aspiration is to travel is insane to me. This is entirely a product of Instagram culture and getting the likes. And I'm in Tulum and I'm in Barcelona and I'm in all these places and all my friends think I'm living this great life. Traveling is a thing you do once in a while to do a reset from your actual life and yeah, sound.

[Clay Travis]

Like an Instagram influencer chick right now. I kind of think they're right. I love to travel. I want to go everywhere. That's what I want to do. No, I want to just travel all over the place. You're going to see me like on the edge of a cliff, taking a selfie. Like, look at the sea in the background.

[Buck Sexton]

We need Dr. Laura. Where's Dr. Laura? We need her to weigh in on this.

[Clay Travis]

I, I, But I do think that, first of all, I have no idea what my friends say on social media. Like, I use social media.

[Buck Sexton]

You were trying to find, See, you found, you found a great woman and built a beautiful family in a real.

[Clay Travis]

World where you meet face to face. Like in law school. Like most people used to meet face to face. But so I, the whole dating on the Internet thing was like, predates me. So, but, but I'm saying if you.

[Buck Sexton]

If you met a girl in, you know, not, not Laura, if you had met somebody before you met Laura and you said, hey, like, you know, what do you want to do? She's like, I just want to travel. No, you think that's a, you think that? Not, not. I want to build a family.

[Clay Travis]

I like to travel. Now what I wanted to hear, you're a rich old man.

[Buck Sexton]

You don't count. Now I'm talking about when you were single.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, yeah. No, what I wanted to hear was I want to have a ton of kids. Yeah, that's what I would want to hear now. Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

You agree with me, your whole I love to travel thing. Clay. Yeah. Like, because you're, you know, I'm already.

[Clay Travis]

Flying around on Clay Force One.

[Buck Sexton]

Totally different.

[Clay Travis]

But, but I do think the thing that I wanted to hear was, hey, I want to have a bunch of kids. And that's what had appeal to me. And if you're, I, I guess I'm thinking like 25 year olds. They, if you're like 35 and you meet somebody and like, what do you want to do with your life? Like, I want to travel. That's a little bit weird.

[Buck Sexton]

There's a lot of that. This is what I'm telling you. There are a lot of women in their 30s who their aspiration is their life aspiration again as they're presenting it on social media and on dating apps or whatever is I want to travel. And I just think that this is, this mindset of the self actualization through selfies is really damaging.

[Clay Travis]

I think it's totally true. Here's another question for you. Do you think women are more impacted by negativity on social media? Like in other words, anything that we post. If you want to go into the mentions, you can find five or six people that are like kill yourself, I hope you die. Right? I mean that is very common on social media, particularly Twitter compared to Instagram. How much of this is just a fear of anybody disagreeing with them in a desperate way? Women are far more socially savvy than men are. Like I don't know, when I'm getting the cold shoulder, I don't notice because I'm not, I'm not savvy enough to notice it in many respects. And I do think women are more, far more tuned. And I wonder, my thought on this is what would Trump have been like in a non social media era?

[Buck Sexton]

We'll come back, let's come back to this. Okay, let's come back to those two questions and also we'll get some of your calls to close us out. We're talking about ladies out there and I'm going to say something right now. A lot of the guys, you know you're two way people and that's great. I'm a two way guy. But force escalation is something that's great for you to have to consider, right? Non lethal options. And a lot of ladies, including my wife, prefer the non lethal as their go to if they have to defend themselves. And this is where Sabre comes in. Sabre has been doing this for over 50 years. You can find their products@sabre radio.com it's very specific websites. Let me give it to you again. S A b r e saberradio.com their products, things like pepper spray, their pepper ball launcher. Easy to use and so effective. If you're looking in the non lethal range. Sabre is your go to. They've safeguarded hundreds of thousands of Americans over the decades that they've been in business. Family owned company. They make the best in class. There are other guys out there that are competitors that honestly just can't compete because Sabers products are the best. I've tried all the different pepper launchers. Saber makes the best one and that creates a six foot pepper cloud upon impact, causing intense sensory irritation. Find dozens of incredible home defense and self defense products that Saber makes at their website, saberradio.com say 15% when you go today or just call this number 844-824-SAFE, 844-824SAFE.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. We are fired up here on this topic, as are so many of you. You're calling in, you're writing in all over the place. We have is this a call? Christine and Cape Cod. Christine and Cape Cod. What's going on?

[Miranda Devine]

Hi.

[Caller 3]

Well, I am, I have two children in their 20s, raised in affluent Newton, Massachusetts. I have a master's degree to successful companies, although I'm a Republican. All of my best friends that I raised my children with were crazy liberals. And to the point of where what I think is going on and what I saw in our community is that boys have been totally emasculated as well as men. And for the most part, most of the men in our community were raised to be very effeminate, to not be aggressive, to not be real men, to not be do sexual advances for concern over being aggressive or for it to be looked at as, you know, rapists or whatever. And so I think young boys.

[Miranda Devine]

Are.

[Caller 3]

Told not to be that way. And so when all these women are confronted with a real man who is aggressive, who is playing outside and wrestling and all of that, they are like aghast. Boys shouldn't be that way. Men shouldn't be that way. So Trump is a real man, I think is looked upon as that. And so I think in, and certainly like my daughter who is in Cambridge and went to school in Boston, all of the men were very effeminate. So you have all of these women who, and the women in my community, we were all lucky enough to raise our children at home. So they were leading very feminine roles within their household, how, you know, staying home, taking care of their kids, all of that. Yet we were telling our kids to not be that way. Don't assume those rules, girl. You, you know, get that abortion if you want that abortion. And, and boys, don't be, don't wrestle, don't do that.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, they masculinize the women, actually the young women are being told to act more like men and men are being told to act more like women. It's part of the whole gender confusion in this country. Great call. Great call. Thank you so much. Let me just say for those of you because I think we have like every line right now lit up. We obviously we're at the end of the show so Clay and I would love it if you would whatever you want to say tell us on talkback. We will definitely hear it. We get all of the talkbacks. We get them sent to us in email so we can hear them or read the transcript and we'll play some of them tomorrow because we're at time.

[Clay Travis]

Great idea. Yes. If you are still waiting, give us the Talkback on the iHeart app and we will play a bunch of these tomorrow. Great emails, great calls. We'll be back with all of you tomorrow. NCAA Tournament. Get your picks in. Let's have some fun. Famous Smoke's been offering the best selection of premium cigars at the best prices for 85 years. And somehow they're still the best kept secret, family owned and stocked with millions of cigars, all delivered fast and fresh to your door. Go online to famous smoke.com and use code CLAY. For 20 bucks off your order of 99 or more, get your favorite brands like Fuente, Romeo, Monte Cristo and Cohiba. Or try something new. Get the best cigars at better price than your local shop, famoussmoke. Com. Promo code Clay.