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- [00:01]
Clay Travis
Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off now and we've got a lot to break down with all of you. Our friends plural. There had to make sure I threw in plural. Our friends Julie Kelly and Ryan Graduski will be joining Julie in the second hour on the judicial coup that is still very much underway and a major challenge for the Trump agenda, but one I think that they are up to the task of tackling. And then Ryan Gardusky on some of the numbers, including Clay, that discussion yesterday that we had, I had a lot of people reaching out to me off air either about hearing us on the show talking about that or even just in my life who had seen those numbers. And we got to put some of these questions out there again, like college educated white women. Zelensky is the thing that they are the biggest outliers on how much they love Volodymyr Zelensky. There's some crazy ndei.
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Buck Sexton
Those two things go together, I think. Also I saw today there's an and it ties in with what we were talking about yesterday, I think because I said if we overlaid the different groups, I think what you would find is that white college educated women are the least happy of all of those groups, whether it's non college educated white men and women or men who went to college. Did you see this today, Buck? It's actually really kind of sad. The United States overall happiness index to the extent that they track this, hit a all time low and it's being driven by people under the age of 30. And I would bet that it's women under the age of 30 overwhelmingly who are unhappy. And I think it's hard not to believe at this point that all of this isn't directly connected to social media. I mean if you go look at the charts, overall mental health rates now certainly Covid didn't help, but overall mental health rates just collapsed about 2014 when social media became prevalent in everybody's lives. And I think we're going to find out that this is like the nicotine or cigarettes of, of our generation where we allowed these phones and these social media apps, particularly for young people, to really kind of lead us astray in terms of our life's pursuits. So there's an early big picture idea that I think ties in with yesterday.
- [02:20]
Clay Travis
So we've also got some updates on the border. Tom Holman pointing out that they are rocking on all cylinders here to enforce the law. Comparing it to Biden. We'll give you those updates Trump on the recession that people are predicting. It is not a recession. He is not worried at all, which is, I'm sure, not a surprise to any of you. The war against Tesla, which we discussed a bit yesterday, there's more on that. It is just insane and destructive and wrong on every level. And I know yesterday I shared that I'm thinking about getting a Tesla. I'm trying to convince Kerry. The problem is we don't really use the car that we have that much and we still have a lease on it.
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Buck Sexton
Do you have two parking spots or one. Is this also a parking spots?
- [03:03]
Clay Travis
One car. But we, we have a lot of guests who come over here, so we have friends that come visit. So it's nice to have a little guest spot. Anyway, thinking about getting a Tesla and people think, oh, Tesla's for rich. You can get a Tesla right now, I know I sound like a Tesla salesman. For about what you can get a, like, reasonably equipped, you know, Toyota Corolla for a new Toyota Corolla. I mean it, you can get a Tesla for like three something a month, which is really low comparative, you know, compared to what you can see across the car marketplace. Cars have been very expensive recently anyway. We have that.
- [03:38]
Buck Sexton
And used cars prices have been. It's not cheap to buy a car anywhere, to be frank.
- [03:44]
Clay Travis
So I know people have their problems with EVs, everything else, okay, I get it. But the point is they're going after Elon and they're trying to hurt his company and they're celebrating and it's madness. But let's talk about something else for a second here or something that has gotten both of our attention on this week, and that is the Chuck Schumer. Chuck Schumer as a leader, I guess, of the Democrat Party still, you know, he's one of the gray hairs. He's been around for a long time, been in the game a long time. And you're starting to hear a little bit of the resentful. It reminds me of the Obama era. You didn't build that. Because Trump has completely cornered the narrative on robust capitalism, winners building, creating wealth for the country and, you know, individual prosperity and all that stuff. Democrats are the party of, I don't know. And here is Chuck Schumer on the View complaining about Americans who want to keep more. This is 14. Keep more of their money.
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Ryan Gradusky
You know what their attitude is? I made my money all by myself. How dare your government take my money from me. I don't want to pay taxes or I built my company with my Bare hands. How dare your government tell me how I should treat my customers, my. The land and water that I own or my employees. They hate government. Government's a barrier to people, a barrier to stop them from doing things. They want to destroy it. We are not letting them do it. And we're united.
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Clay Travis
They're just the left wing, authoritarian party, Clay. That's really what the Democrats have become. They want to tell you what to do with everything and they control everything, even though they're imbeciles.
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Buck Sexton
I want Democrats to have to answer the question. And I know we're not very far away from April 15, which is not a very happy day for a lot of our listeners out there, but what is a fair share? Like, I pay 40% of my income to the federal government. Most years now. 40%, boom. You know, I work until May and so I'm still working basically for the federal government. What would be a fair share? We have an insanely, an insanely aggressive tax policy for people who actually pay taxes, first of all, and very few people talk about this, income taxes are only paid by about 50% of the United States population. So first of all, right off the top over, I think it's 51% of people don't pay a single dollar in federal income tax. Now, payroll taxes is different, right? I'm talking about federal income taxes. And then a lot of you, you live in New York, you're listening to us right now. You live in California, you live in Illinois. Then you have to pay another 12 or 13% state income tax. And then that doesn't even get into what your property taxes are going to be or what your sales taxes are going to be. I mean, the government is taxing us like crazy. And I just have a percentage.
- [06:53]
Clay Travis
I haven't lived in New York in what, going on three years now, two and a half years. And they still want me paying taxes there somehow. It's crazy. Ok? The system we have is absolutely nuts.
- [07:05]
Buck Sexton
I got taxed because Fox Sports is based in LA and I would travel a lot to LA to do television shows and buck, I remember when they would take that money out of my.
- [07:16]
Clay Travis
Paycheck by the day, it's by the work day. Same thing in New York City, same thing, I think in Utah. If I remember correctly, when I've been to Salt Lake City in the past, I've had to pay like hundreds of dollars in income taxes for the privilege.
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Buck Sexton
Of being in Salt Lake. It's a beautiful place. It is lovely.
- [07:31]
Clay Travis
But I just. Utah was, was grabbing, grabbing into my pocket there, Pointy.
- [07:35]
Buck Sexton
We appreciate everybody who listens in Salt Lake City, where I believe we're number one and number one consistently for three.
- [07:43]
Clay Travis
Three plus years now. Thank you, Salt Lake City.
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Buck Sexton
Great station. I, I will say, like, when you look at the, at, at these arguments, isn't it interesting? They never get pushed back. They say, eunice, you should pay your fair share. That's their line. What is the fair share? And, and I think a lot more people are looking around in the Doge era when we're recognizing how much money is wasted. And this conversation becomes even more paramount than it should be, which is, it's important to know all year round and all the time, but I think Elon has elevated it.
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Clay Travis
There's also some big philosophical distinctions here that I think should be made. Clay, for example, as we have seen from the efforts of Elon and Doge, thank you, Trump, for putting them in the game to do this. Every dollar of government spending is somehow sacred to Democrats. This is what we've seen. Have they actually said on anything that Doge has done. Look at what Doge has been finding. Look at some of the ways that your money. You know, we talked about the transgender Muppet shows in Mongolia and all this stuff that's going on. Every dollar the government spends is both sacred and it's not enough. There always should be. You can never cut, and there always should be more. Meanwhile, the American people, whose hours, labor, creativity and effort are what is actually the economy. This is the thing that Democrats and the government don't really understand. It's not that the government creates the economy. The government, if it's operating well, should create the guideline, some of the guidelines, the rules of the road and enforcement mechanisms for contracts within the economy. But it is all of you listening who, who show up somewhere and build a good, provide a service, do something that is worthwhile to society, and you get money for that. That is the actual economy, the productive economy. And anybody within that who feels like the government, that every dollar is sacred and never, never isn't enough spending. If we say that something needs to change, that's terrible. This whole thinking needs to be flipped on its head because what, what are you really getting for your money with so many of these things, what is really worthwhile? Remember, we have a state government, too. The fact that Trump's about to shut the Department of Education, right, that executive order is going to come down and people go, oh, no, education. The Department of Education has nothing to do with educating your children. It all it does is make it worse and create a holding pen for boring bureaucrats that get paid to do nothing.
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Buck Sexton
And we're wrong about everything. Covid. I was reading Buck yesterday to credit of the New York Times, which has suddenly realized, hey, we screwed up everything with COVID They had a story about Oakland area kids. Buck and I've met a bunch of these kids as I've been traveling around and started to speak on some college campuses. These kids in the, in many parts of New York State and California and Illinois. But this, this particular kids in, in Oakland, Buck, they shut down their schools on like March, whatever it was 15th of 2020. They never came back to school. If you were a junior. I don't know that we talk enough about how many kids out there. And I know some of you are listening to us right now. I remember we had a caller from Utah, a young woman who was voting for the first time, 18 year old, talking about how angry she and some of her classmates were.
- [11:10]
Clay Travis
Great call, good memory.
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Buck Sexton
But I mean, it hit me because can you imagine if you're out there listening to us right now, think about all the things that happen to you when you're 16, 17 and 18 years old and how embedded in an integral fashion so much of your life experience happens. 16, 17, 18. You remember everybody out there to a large. You remember things when you're 16 better than something that happened when you're 36, 46 or 56, because all the years start to run together. It imprints you in an interesting way. Those kids went home in many parts of our country in March of 2020, and they never came back. You miss your junior year prom, you miss your junior year spring sports season, you never returned. Buck. The article in the New York Times talking about these kids came back at the end of May for graduation and they had to be six foot distant and they didn't even recognize each other because also think about how much you change in that year and a half. They just all went home and they never were in physical location together again. I just, I get angrier the more I think about it, even though it's been five years. And so I think for my. You tell me that I have to cut checks. It's one thing if I think the government's doing a great job. It's another thing if I'm still furious about what they did, in particular the Department of Education to keep our kids from being able to be in school.
- [12:38]
Clay Travis
And they now are at the point where I think they're on the edge of seeing the Department of Education get officially shut down. There have already been cuts made. I know a judge is going to reverse it if he hasn't or she hasn't already, and they'll also reverse the shutdown. And the whole plan here is essentially to have the judicial coup in effect for really Trump's whole term, if they can get away with it, to stop him from doing what he should be able to do. But, yeah, the Department of Education, it employs around 4,200 people until the most recent round of cuts. When you look at what does it do, what does the Department of Education actually do? Everything that it does is either superfluous political or could be done by the states much more effectively and much more within the federalist system that we have. Right. Why should, if you, if you live in, if you live in Texas, why should some bureaucrats in D.C. be influencing the curriculum of your school in Texas?
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Buck Sexton
Amen.
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Clay Travis
Oh, because they have to make sure. Well, they have to make sure the test scores don't actually budge and if anything get worse over the last 40 years, because that's what's happened.
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Buck Sexton
It.
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Clay Travis
Failure within government needs to be treated like much more like failure within the private sector. Where you and I have been at places, Clay, where it's a fire sale and everyone's getting fired and it stinks and like, you know, but that is what happens. And this notion that the government is and always will be not just existing as it is, but growing and getting more money, that is a change in the way that we are governed. That absolutely needs to happen. And look, we were just talking about the, the tax situation here. IRS is a pain, all right? I mean, I'm hoping that the IRS gets a nice dojo of, of itself going here, but the IRS is a rough agency to have to deal with. And you don't need me to remind you the IRS is the world's most powerful collection agency. You already know that. Don't take them on without having an expert by your side. We are in the peak of tax season here. In the weeks ahead, you need to call our friends at Rush Tax Resolution if you have any concerns or problems when it comes to your taxes. 877-755-7874. Every day you put it off, you're increasing the risk of the IRS seizing your assets, garnishing your paycheck, going after you and your business if you owe payroll taxes. I mean, heck, they can even revoke your passport. All the while, you're getting crushed with outrageous penalties and interest. You can get the relief you deserve, but you need to call Rush Tax Resolution now. You want to do it before the IRS contacts you first, be proactive, mention our names, get a free IRS transcript investigation. Other firms charge up to $1,500. Rush tax resolution is the only company we trust and recommend. They'll only take your case if they know they can help you. 877-554-rush. That's 877-554-7874 or go to go online to rush taxresolution.com Making America Great Again.
- [15:35]
Julie Kelly
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- [15:48]
Clay Travis
We have our friend Ryan Gordon joining us at the bottom to talk about some data and particularly diving into what we learned about college educated, white college educated women yesterday. They idolize Vladimir Zelensky, which is very strange for a lot of women who I think have probably, very likely very few of them ever seen combat, know anything about war or the military. But they're all about Zelensky. So the propaganda there has clearly, clearly been effective. We'll talk to Ryan about that. Democrats are turning on Schumer, which is not a surprise because they're in the panic phase of things. You know, this is where in, in Lord of the Flies, they all start sharpening sticks and just poking each other with them because they don't know what else to do and there's no real leadership. And remember, that's a, it's a great book. You remember reading Lord of the Flies in, in school back in the day.
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Buck Sexton
Lord of the Flies, Buck is my argument. Yeah, everybody has one friend who reads like one book and tries to analogize everything that ever happened. You know, like, not somebody who reads a lot of books. I had a buddy who read like one book in his whole life and it was Lord of the Flies and he would try, he would try to analogize anything that happened to the one book that he had ever read, which was Lord of the Flies.
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Clay Travis
Well, that's like a lot of people now with Harry Potter, no offense, because I know you read a lot of other things too, and you're a Harry Potter guy, but everything is Voldemort, everything is the Quidditch. You know, the Harry Potter became so dominant.
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Buck Sexton
At least there are seven Harry Potter's, although a lot of people didn't even read them. They just watched the movies.
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Clay Travis
I didn't either. So there we go. I probably should get on that now. We have the Democrats turning at each other, turning on Schumer and we've got all that happening. But I wanted to spend some time here on the, the war on Tesla and how it factors into as well the Democrat approach to the economy. So let's just, let's look at what's going on here right now. The fact that you have these Democrats openly rooting against an all american car company, one that, you know, the cars are manufactured here. I mean they've got the huge facility in Texas. I think 80,000 people work for Tesla, Clay. 80,000 jobs. If you believe that climate change is any kind of threat, never mind existential, you should think that what Tesla's doing because remember, it's not just the cars, it's the technology. It's autonomous driving, it's the interface, it's the battery technology. It's, you know, how far are we from Starlink being able to control all the cars? And maybe we get vtol, so vertical takeoff, you know, and landing for meaning that basically flying cars. I mean things are going to get really interesting in our lifetime. Folks.
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Buck Sexton
Folks.
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Clay Travis
So that's pretty cool, right? Well, not if you're Tim Walls who thinks he can beat you up, I might add. And I mean you not Clay like you listening to they. Tim Walls thinks he can take you in a fight. I think we have legions of GR. I think we have legions of guys over 75 that would smoke Tim Walls.
- [19:01]
Buck Sexton
Did you see our 86 year old listener who emailed me about that was one of the. I need to read that email at some point because that was a great email.
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Clay Travis
I know, I know the conservative talk radio audience and there are guys over 75 that will whoop my ass. So I definitely know they would take Tim Walls in a fight, but Caroline Levitt at the White House speaking as the press secretary just goes after this. I mean, it's astonishing. It's outrageous that he is rooting for the failure of a company again because Elon wants to cut government waste. Play 8 Governor Waltz saying last night he frequently checks Tesla stock in doing so to quote, give me a little boost during the day. How should Americans view politicians who take pride in the downfall of an American car company?
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Buck Sexton
I think that's quite sad. But I think Governor Waltz unfortunately is living a sad existence after his devastating defeat on November 5.
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Clay Travis
It is, it is sad. And his defeat was devastating. It's sad though that somebody would be rooting for an American. Think about what that means. It's not just Tesla. It is a. I mean, you you and I have never sat here, been like, you know what I want? I want Amazon to go bankrupt because it employs huge numbers of people, it's an enormously valuable company, and it has been incredibly effective. I mean, it has saved millions, maybe billions of man hours for people. And look, I know Jeff Bezos is more on our team now than he used to be, but he's still not really on our team. We're all very aware of this. But to root for a huge American company, it'd be like sitting here, Clay, and just saying, you know, I want Ford and General Motors to just cease to exist and all their people to get fired because I don't like what this. I don't like who the CEO voted for. There's something deranged about this.
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Buck Sexton
I think two things that are important here. One, if you truly cared about climate change, then the idea that you would want Tesla to fail is the most heretical thing that you could possibly say. Because I'm not sure there's any company in America that has done more to fight climate change. And this is supposed to be, as we talked about yesterday, an existential threat, threat to the entire world and to our nation. And yet you have Tim Walls out there saying that he's checking to see what the stock price is because he's rooting for Tesla to fail. That doesn't add up if you actually believe that climate change is the existential threat. And I think what it forces Democrats to do is decide, what do we hate more, climate change or Trump? And the reality is they hate Trump more than anything. And so the Elon connection to Trump means they root against it. Second, choosing whether or not to spend your money on products based on whether they share your values or not is, I think, a very rational choice to make. I would argue that Tesla actually shares the values of Democrats. But leaving that aside, what is not is when, for instance, we said, hey, Bud Light's got a trans. You know, spokesperson, maybe drink another beer, we didn't say, and throw Molotov cocktails at people driving around in Budweiser trucks. What the left has done with Elon is not only reject their own principles upon which they stand, but actually take it to the next step. They're lighting Teslas on fire everywhere. People are getting busted on the Tesla cameras, keying Tesla vehicles all over the place, behaving in a fundamentally ridiculous and, frankly, violent manner over this. And to me, it just kind of ties in with. It's one thing to make a decision about a product that you like or Don't. Like we said, hey, you make a great product. The benefit typically is even if you disagree with the product, you'll probably still consume it. When we say Chick Fil a, there's nobody who. I'm sorry, there's nobody who makes a better chicken sandwich than Chick Fil A. And. And one of the great things about the Chick Fil a sandwich, by the way, Buck, is the pickle. Lots of gay people. Lots of gay people out there rolled into Chick Fil A like crazy. They're like, ah, you know, I wish they supported gay marriage, but, man, their chicken nuggets are just so good. I'm gonna go in and get them anyway. Right. Second, we talked about this yesterday before you strict stroke. It stricken. Had it stricken from the record.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
When you talked about how much your wife Carrie loves Costco. I also love Costco. Costco has stayed committed to Di. I think they're wrong there. They're still the best warehouse shopping center option out there. And I still really like their samples. And I'm still going to spend money at Costco. Their brand is so good, much like Chick Fil A, that even if they have politics that are somewhat different than me, that I'm not going to shop, I'm going to continue to shop there. Tesla makes the best electric vehicle in the world, is my understanding. I'm not an expert on this, but the people who have Teslas rave about them Buck. And this is one reason I'm looking at potentially buying one. You're looking at potentially buying one. I want to stand up and say, hey, I believe in American exceptionalism. I think Elon Musk is an exceptional American capitalist in all facets. And I would like to believe that it is rational Americans out there who aren't going to punish him because he's trying to make the government more efficient. Buck, in his free time, like, he didn't have to do this at all. He's just giving back to the country to try to make sure that our deficit doesn't drown all of us in red ink.
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Clay Travis
And you've got a couple of voices weighing in on this, defending the. Remember, it's not really about defending Elon personally. This is about the company. This is about Tesla, which is doing great things. It's innovating, it's employing people. It's making incredible products. You know, we're. There's so much about it. It's here in America. The cars are made here in America. It's not some. You know, we're not. We're not Having some sweatshop somewhere putting together iPhones. Just saying again, I wish I could tell you I don't have an iPhone. I do, but it's because I don't like the other options. And you know, but I'm aware of what goes on here, right? It's not always perfect to make these, make these kinds of choices. Kevin O'Leary though points out that Tim Walsh is, is a bozo. This is Mr. Wonderful Cut 9. I'm talking about Tim Waltz and his comments about the Tesla stock. He says it gives him a boost to see that stock going down. That poor guy didn't check his portfolio in his own pension plan for State. It's beyond stupid what he did. He's talking down a 3 1/2% weighting in his own pension plan. I mean what's the matter with that guy? He doesn't check the well being of his own constituents. That's their investor point. What a bozo. He's pointing out the economic illiteracy of somebody like a Tim Walls. Companies like Tesla are what have been moving the market in recent years. Which means 401ks, which means pension plans. The, you know, the growth of the major American corporations is lifting up the overall market. And even if you think, oh I'm not in the market, oh no, you're in the market because it affects the cost of borrowing, it affects the cost of your rent or your mortgage or, or the payments on your car or the credit card interest rates that you have. You know, there is no escaping the market if you're operating in America today. And to want companies, whether it's Tesla or Nvidia or you know, the, the Magnificent seven stocks they'll talk about when you root for those to fill, you're rooting actually for the American economy to feel pain and there to be less wealth in this country. And that's what they're doing because they don't like Elon because he's too nice to Trump.
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Buck Sexton
And again, they're also rooting for climate change which is like at its most basic level. Did you see this idiot astronaut Mark Kelly, senator from Arizona, went and traded in his Tesla and went and got a gas guzzling SUV to replace it. So what is the story that you support? Right? I mean again, I think part of being adulthood, you mentioned the iPhone. Part of being an adult is recognizing that everybody's not going to agree with you on every single thing and still making decisions that are somewhat rational when it comes to products. Right? Like I don't want my toilet paper to have a strong position on any political issue. I just want them to kind of make toilet paper that doesn't. That doesn't fail. Right. That actually works. And I think most Americans, I don't want my cat litter brand to send me an email about what they think about blm. I think most Americans just want the product itself to not take a particular stand. Elon has not said that Tesla has a particular stand. Right. This is Elon Musk individual donating his time to try to make the government more efficient. It isn't actually directly connected to Tesla at all. It would be different if he had said, hey, and I don't want any Democrat to drive my car. I would think that's a really bad move. I'm old school, Buck. I'm like Michael Jordan. Republicans buy sneakers too. Right. Like, you should try to appeal to everyone.
- [28:09]
Clay Travis
The Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnick, who has been very outspoken about a lot of things in the economy, he spoke, he straight up said he's a senior government official, cabinet member. Well, I'll let you listen to what he said about Tesla. Play 10.
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Howard Lutnick
He's the guy who's going to build the next generation technology. I think if you want to learn something on this show tonight, buy Tesla. It's unbelievable that this guy's stock is this cheap. It'll never be this cheap again. When people understand the things he's building, the robots he's building, the technology he's building, people are going to be dreaming of today and Jesse Waters and thinking, gosh, I should have bought Elon Musk's stock. I mean, who wouldn't invest in Elon Musk?
- [28:51]
Buck Sexton
You got to be kidding.
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Clay Travis
All right, so you're calling the bottom. This is it.
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Howard Lutnick
Whether today's the bottom or not. I tell you what, Elon Musk is probably the best person to bet on I've ever met.
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Clay Travis
There you go.
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Buck Sexton
Pretty strong endorsement, Buck.
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Clay Travis
Yeah. The Commerce Secretary effectively saying, this is the most impressive CEO living today in the world. It's a big deal. I thought, you know, and. And he's trying to help the government instead of just running his incredible companies. So says something.
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Buck Sexton
And again, I just. Tesla is not doing anything. Bud Light did something, right? We didn't say, oh, the Bud Light CEO did something, and therefore, you can't drink Bud Light anymore. Elon Musk runs a company, but he has the right to free speech. He has the right to make choices. The Tesla Corporation is not actually doing anything that you would disapprove of. I think that's a Pretty significant aspect here too. And I want to tell you right now, look, Rapid radios, they make a tremendous difference. Like I was saying earlier this week got a text message from a friend who is up in Montana and he was saying he doesn't have great cell phone coverage and he loves the fact that he can stay in contact with his family through his rapid radios. It makes a tremendous difference and is absolutely phenomenal. There's a sense of freedom that comes from communicating with one another using Rapid Radio's Walkie talkies. The newest version of walkie Talkies, they let you connect with people nationwide using the LTE network. They fit nicely into the palm of your hand. With the touch of a single button, you're talking back and forth the person you want to be in touch with. They're also great if you have a big team at work. Rapid radios allows you to communicate with up to 200 people. Modern day rapid radios work right out of the box. Turn them on, start talking, go online. Rapidradios.com up to 60% off free UPS shipping from Michigan plus a free protection bag. Add code radio, get an extra 5% off. These rapid Radio walkie talkies have batteries with a five day charge lasting long periods of time when you Need a most Rapidradios.com is the website address. Rapidradios.com use code radio. You're gonna love them. These guys are patriots out of Michigan. 5% extra off with code radio news and politics.
- [31:13]
Julie Kelly
But also a little comic relief. Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free I hard radio app or wherever you get your podcast.
- [31:26]
Clay Travis
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Our friend Ryan Gardusky joins us now. It's a numbers game is his podcast. It's also true about life but it's his gay it's his podcast on the Clan Buck network. Go subscribe Also national populist newsletter is his sub stack. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast first though. Mr. Graduski.
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Ryan Gradusky
Yeah.
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Clay Travis
Great to have you with us.
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Ryan Gradusky
How are you?
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Clay Travis
Yeah, we're good man. So, so you. So we have a lot of things to run by you. But first off, what was your biggest takeaway when you looked at those numbers that were released yesterday were the outlier extraordinaire was white college educated women who are apparently obsessed with Zelensky and dei.
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Ryan Gradusky
Yeah, I don't think that shocked anybody. That was with the NBC polls that they held from Sunday. They just live white men without a college degree and white women with a college degree don't live in the Same country. I mean, they just fundamentally don't. Men without a white man without a college degree live in Texas and white women without a. With a college degree live in, like, Sweden. So it's just, it's not. They don't, they don't have the same concerns. They don't have the same issues. It's. It's bizarre. And when I can kind of. I can kind of like sit there and really break it down to an ideology is that one has a very comfortable level of living and one does not. If your biggest issue is Zelensky, you're probably not worried that much about your monthly bills or an illegal alien, you know, attacking you or breaking to your ranch if you live on the border. This is just a completely different life that they live. And yeah, I mean, it's. It's a totally different world and makes for bad politics because white women with a college degree who are on the left are getting more radicalized, they're getting further to the left, and that's a problem.
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Buck Sexton
So does the problem get resolved in any way if abortion becomes less of a national political issue and more of an individual state issue? Because it seems like to me, and I'm curious if you buy this thesis, Ryan, that Democrats have uniquely exploited the fears of educated white women when it comes to reproductive rights, and that that is the motivating factor for many of them, particularly if you're in your 20s or 30s, given the fact that abortion, whatever you think about it, the numbers haven't really changed that much since Roe v. Wade was overturned. Is the impact of abortion as a national political issue maybe something that could bring these women back to some measure of political sanity or not?
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Ryan Gradusky
No, I don't think that it's abortion. I mean, I think abortion is part of the question, but. Part of it, certainly a large part. But the second. The biggest group of white women to vote for Democrats were white women in their late 20s, early 30s. That would be the abortion group. The second largest were white women over the age of 70, but under the age of 80. So if it was just an abortion thing, so what's.
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Buck Sexton
Sorry to cut you off, but that's fascinating. What do you think's motivating those white women, college educated, 70 to 80? Because again, abortion, to your point, I don't think they're getting abortions.
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Ryan Gradusky
Yeah, they are. They're watching MSNBC and Rachel Maddow and they are blm and they are. Listen, the, the baby boomer generation was the very. It was the second most progressive generation to millennials. I mean, they are a progressive, um. If your entire life is basically politics, which, I mean, for a lot of, a lot of women in their 70s and 80s who either A, don't have husbands because they passed away or they never married, or they don't have children or grandchildren because their millennial children never had children, politics becomes a bigger and bigger and bigger issue in your life. And what we saw in the other thing that came out on Monday, which I wrote about for the national popular newsletter, David Shores, that thing, David Shore's big piece on data was that people who paid attention to politics a lot voted very, very heavily to Kamala Harris and people who got their news from mainstream media outlets. If you look at the average CNN or MSNBC viewer, they are over the age of 70 years old. They are 70 year olds, usually college educated or not college, but mostly college educated white women who obsess about politics. It is their religion, it's their qvc, it's their, it's the children that they didn't have or the grandchildren they didn't have. It becomes their whole world. And that's why it's, it's, it's become so toxic. And they also fall in line on every issue. They're not only for blm. They have long Covid. They don't only have long Covid. They need to protect abortion rights. They don't only protect abortion rights. They need to protect trans rights in Angola through, you know, the usaid. Every single, you know, tyranny is on the, is on the run every single second of every single day. If you hear them. It's exhausting to live that way. But that's the, that's the second biggest group outside of like late 20, early 30s. It's not abortion. It's just straight up ideology. And perhaps because they live in such comfortable environments, suburbs, wealthy parts of cities, they don't have to worry about crime or, or, you know, the fact that they're, they don't have money coming in the next month. They're probably living pretty comfortably.
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Clay Travis
So, Ryan, I wanted to ask you about this. A slew of people including Gayle King, Nancy Pelosi and others who are really giving Schumer some rough stuff. Is this just about the CR that he went along with so that the government didn't shut down? I mean, we could expect that. Or is this going deeper to the power struggle within the Democrat party right now? And if so, who is angling to take over what feels like a ship that has sprung many leaks over at Democrat land?
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Ryan Gradusky
Well, I think the fact that not only did he vote for the cr, but he left vulnerable House Democrats. I mean, like, they all voted against it, except for Jared golden up in Maine. Second, you have a dozen Democrats who live in Trump districts who just voted to shut down the government, and they just voted against all the things that that means all the funding for military and veterans and seniors and everything. And there will be a campaign commercial coming to every one of those districts in a few in the next year and 13 months or 15 months, saying, you know, insert Democrat here, voted to shut down your government and suspend your, you know, payments to your veterans. That is going to hurt them. And it's going to be so toxic. And it makes them look like they can't govern. And, you know, they say they didn't get anything out of it. They got the old Biden budget. I mean, there was like, I think 10 billion in cuts. There was nothing really in cuts. Substantial. But it makes them look bad, makes them look like they can't govern. And who replaces Schumer? I don't know. Who's gonna. It used to be with, like, Dick Durbin. He's 83. He's on his way out. It won't be Bernie. I mean, Elizabeth Warren is 76. It has to be somebody who can bring in a lot of money, because that's the really a big part of the job as being leaders who can raise a lot of money. It's not a Kirsten Gillibrand. They have a big, big issue.
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Clay Travis
Who is the best. Who's the best fundraiser? Ryan, because you'd actually know this. And I'm just curious, because you're. Who's the best Democrat fundraiser now? Who's under 65?
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Ryan Gradusky
The best fundraiser on the Republican side is, I think, I pretty sure it's Tim Scott, for sure. On the Senate side, Tim Scott's the best fundraiser. On the Democratic side, I believe it's Schumer in his pack. Schumer's packs raise over a hundred million dollars a year.
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Clay Travis
But I'm talking about the younger generation. Is there anybody who's already starting to AOC for sure?
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Ryan Gradusky
Cory Bush is right. Aoc? Yeah. AOC raises bucket loads of money. Yeah. And she usually gives it all away.
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Buck Sexton
We're talking to Ryan Gardusky. Ryan, I love the data that you bring to bear. Encourage people to check out your podcast. The data reflects that Trump did not actually do better with white voters. Right. The white voters from like, 2016 to 2024 have stayed basically similar. And that, in fact, moved A little bit Democrat maybe, but that the reason why Trump won in all 50 states. Black, Hispanic, Asian, support rising. I'm curious, is that Trump?
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Ryan Gradusky
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
Is that Trump support, you think? As we look ahead to 26 and 28, how much of that do you think is attributable to Trump himself as opposed to the Republican Party? In other words, does that movement continue if it's J.D. vance or someone like that? Or is Trump a unique political unicorn in that respect?
- [39:47]
Ryan Gradusky
So this is the episode for a numbers Game podcast that's coming out next Monday. I'm super excited about this. Data comes from David Shore, who's a Democrat, a data scientist. He's brilliant, very, very smart. His data and he did a really deep dive on not only like exit polling, but where people were voting and looking at voting files. What happened was between 2016 and 2020, Trump lost about 1 to 2% of the white vote in between those two elections. He gained all that back in 2024. So there were Trump or Gary Johnson, Biden, Trump voters. There was that swing. Basically all the people voted for Gary Johnson instead of Hillary and then voted for Biden, came back to Trump. That was. That was worth 1.5% of his three point national game. Half came from white people, the other half came from minorities. He didn't gain that much with blacks. It was a small amount. The biggest was black conservatives. He gained about 8 points over the course of the last eight years. But among Hispanic moderates, he gained 23 points. In 2016, Hillary won 81% of Hispanic moderates. Trump won 50. Sorry. Kamala won 58% eight years later. So from 81 to 58. The other part was Asian moderates. Hillary one hundred and seventy eight. Kamala one hundred and sixty seven. A double digit drop among moderates in the Asian community. Is this a Trump thing? Partially, but it's part of a larger national story. In England, you see the Conservative party doing better among minorities. In Canada, you see the conservatives doing better among minorities. It is a thing that along the entire western where you've started seeing part of minorities, part of minority coalition vote their ideology instead of their race, which they usually vote their race over their ideology. Is it a Trump thing? That's a great question. Actually, Trump was more of a deterrent than a supplier of this. The poll, the people who don't trust the Democratic Party is higher than the people who voted for Trump. Had everybody been voting vote, have forced to vote vote, David Shore's estimate is that Trump wouldn't have won by 1.7 points percent. He would have won by 5%. Because when you ask on issues like everything from like AI to poverty to not only just the economy and immigration, but, but, but student loans, they trust Republicans way more than Democrats. The only issue Democrats have a sizable advantage that people care on. An issue that people care about is health care. That is the only issue issue that they have over Republicans. On everything else. They have a deep, deep distrust of the Democratic Party. And I'll say one more thing. Voters who got their information from social media were much more inclined to vote for Trump. The biggest group, the biggest demographic to vote for Trump, according to the David Shore data, white men under the age of 20. 75% of white men under 20 voted for Trump. That is the largest demographic of any group ever. More than seniors, more than. More than any other racial group. Trump won a majority of voters under 20, white women, white men and non white men. The only group under 20 that Trump lost to Kamala Harris were non white women.
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Buck Sexton
That's amazing. Stat.
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Clay Travis
It is amazing. Yeah.
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Ryan Gradusky
Do you think that's co. Yeah, it's. Yes, it's completely Covid. It is the lockdown generation. Lockdowns split Gen Z zoomers in half. So older zoomers who had already gone through the high school experience and graduated or were even past college, they are much more liberal than those who were locked down and missed graduations, games, friends, they were, they were getting all their news on the Internet and they were coming at a time where the BLM riots were happening. That me too was happening. And there was a certain surge of Internet personalities, everyone from Jordan Peterson to Ben Shapiro to, you know, more nefarious characters in the Internet. But nonetheless, still they were being inundated with information from social media free of the gates that, that the regular media provides. And so the younger generation right now is the most Republican. 18 to 20 year olds in the last election are the most Republican generation, according to the David Shore data, which I do trust. The most Republican generation since the greatest generation that fought World War II. That is how far right wing, especially white men under the age of 20. The most Republican generation we have seen probably in 60 to 70 years.
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Clay Travis
Go check out more from Ryan Graduski with It's a Numbers Game, his podcast on the Clay and Buck network. He does the best data analysis of anybody in the game. And subscribe to who is national populist newsletter on substack. Ryan, really interesting as always, man. Thanks for being here.
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Ryan Gradusky
Thank you.
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Julie Kelly
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Buck Sexton
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are joined now by our good friend Julie Kelly. We we were just talking earlier in the program at the top of this hour about all of the craziness coming from the federal district court judges. And Julie, I'll start off with this. I said that I am somewhat optimistic that things are going to get better with the judiciary in the years ahead because Trump lost. I mean, Trump won. And I think one reason Democrats lost was because they went so political. You have been covering and they tried to put him in prison and they tried to bankrupt him and all those things. You've been covering these cases like crazy. We've never seen anything like the resistance that Trump is getting from the federal district courts right now. Are you optimistic in the future, or do you think our judicial system is just a huge pile of steaming poo?
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Julie Kelly
Well, I hate to disagree with you, but I'm going to go with the latter because of course I have covered, especially in Washington, D.C. and I've talked about with you guys what's happened with the J6 proceedings in Washington and the case against the president. These judges feel impervious and they have not been held accountable. When Chief Justice John Rossberg issued that really inappropriate, I think statement about impeachment not his place. Number one. The problem is not that impeachment is thrown around or overused. The problem is that impeachment has not been used. I think 14 federal judges have been in Peach. Only eight have been convicted. Congress has completely advocated its oversight role of the federal judiciary. So this is how you get Jim Bosberg and this is how you get Tonya Chutkan and Beryl Howell and these other judges because they know they're not accountable. So until these judges are held accountable and not by being reversed by the Supreme Court. I saw that in the immunity case. I saw that in the Fisher, the overturning of the 1512 against J6ers. These lower court judges don't care and if they're Democrats, they don't think that the Supreme Court is legit event anyway. So this is a serious crisis. This is why the public's trust in the federal judiciary is at an all time low. And Republicans who are threatening to file articles in speech and I think some have been filed or to strict jurisdiction from some of the most egregious political actors on the bench or simply to shut down the D.C. federal court system which I've advocated for years, strong measures need to be taken. Otherwise this is going to actually help.
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Clay Travis
It really bothers me, Julie, to see how much the D.C. circuit Court is essentially a, an extra branch of government. It's like the fail safe for the deep state. Right. They can, they can bring any case they want there and they know that unless the Supreme Court steps in, they'll get their way. And this is very clear the fact that they didn't. I always have to remind people of this that none of the J6 related individuals were able to get a different, a different venue for the trial. I think even, I think Timothy McVeigh was given a different venue for his trial from Oklahoma City, if memory serves. Like this is a standard thing in the justice system for people if there's considered to be a prejudiced jury to be able to get no. 1, right. No one got a, got the court or got the jurisdiction, the venue moved from D.C. so that's very troubling. Some of these district judges though, the stuff that they've come up with, the ones that to me are well, the turning around of the plane with the trend guys, that's. That seems to be the most egregious I think to most of us. But a couple of other ones, Julie, the judge and you're familiar with these different judges, I know too. So that's the thing, you know who These individuals are from covering them. The judge who said that you can't ban transgenders from serving in the military. And now there's a judge that I believe has ordered the DoJ to return men to a women's prison who say they're transgender. Like, this is just. They're just making up laws now.
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Julie Kelly
They are, and they're completely undermining. And these are all related to presidential executive orders. So what you're talking about is Ana Reyes, who is the first LGBTQ Biden appointed district court judge in Washington, basically reversing vacating the president's executive order on transgenders in the military. Royce Lamberth, a Reagan appointee who I watched just absolutely throw the book at J6ers, throwing grandmothers in prison for 57 months on the obstruction count that was later overturned. And he himself rejecting the president's executive order and ordering the government, US to pay for hormone therapy and transitional surgery for these transgenders who are in prison. These are criminals. Right? We're not just paying, you know, for whoever wants it. They are in federal custody. And then, of course, Jim Bosberg, ordering verbally for the Department of Justice and DHS to return flights that were already in the air out of US Airspace, very likely traveling over either Mexico or Central America, ordering the return of those flights carrying known illegal immigrants for suspected Venezuelan terrorists tied to that CDA day. Who do these judges think that they are? And so now what Bosberg is doing is, I think, setting up a contempt trap because he was saying, well, I made this verbal order. You should have turned the planes around. No planes should have taken off that day at all because I was holding this hearing. And this is a temporary restraining order that he issued, actually two of them on Saturday that left 14 days, and again, preventing the President and his team from executing his proclamation over the weekend of the Alien Enemies Act. So, excuse me, this is. This is very reckless, very destructive and dangerous. No one should be defending what these judges are doing. Now, of course, all of these are going on appeal. There's oral arguments in the Venezuelan terrorist case on Monday afternoon. I'll be covering that live. But I'll tell you, as bad as I knew these judges were and how they just repeatedly denied SharePoint due process for J6ers, refusing in every single case to move those trials out of Washington, D.C. to now see them leap to the rescue and allegedly protect the, quote, unquote, due process rights of illegal and suspected gang members from Venezuela that pose a legitimate threat to this country, not the J6ers. Did it's pretty head spinning hypocrisy.
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Buck Sexton
We're talking to Julie Kelly. Julie, you mentioned the Jan Sixers. And when you first started coming on with us four years ago, you were one of the very few people out there actually shining a light on how they were being treated. Given the Democrat obsession with January 6th and the years that they spent on it, are you somewhat surprised that Trump came in immediately pardoned every January Sixer, and the story just vanished? I mean, isn't that kind of interesting? Because there were all these arguments out there, oh, if Trump pardons all the Jan Sixers, this'll be a constitutional crime. And he did it. And no one Even mentions hardly January 6th anymore. Are you surprised at how quickly it's kind of vanished?
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Julie Kelly
Yes, I will say that I am. As you guys know, I talked to the president a few days before Inauguration Day, talked to him for at length about what had happened to the J6ers, you know, the various pardon proposals he expressed. He was very committed to blanket pardon with a few exceptions. And that's of course, exactly what he did. And there was some noise about it for what, a week or 10 days and then has completely disappeared. And the Democrats even want to forget about January 6th, I think was Jamie Raskin said a few weeks ago, oh, can we stop talking about January 6th already?
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Clay Travis
Really funny, right?
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Julie Kelly
But yes, I am very surprised, but happily so. And you know, it's great to see these people starting to pick up the pieces of their lives. But you know, I was reading one of the filings today in the Venezuelan terrorism case, and these illegals have stables of lawyers defending them and fighting the government on behalf of the alleged rights that these illegals have. And it's really disturbing that we saw none of that for American citizens wrongly prosecuted for participating in the events of January 6th. I mean, this whole legal judicial system is so upside down.
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Clay Travis
Can I just jump in really quick, Julie, to say that from my understanding, from friends in the legal world, if you defend, like if you would defend Osama bin Laden, you obviously that won't happen. But if someone could do that, that would be considered a feather in their legal cap going forward. They could say it's like John Adams defending the redcoats like everyone deserves. But no one felt that way in a lot of the big law firms and in sort of the big law world about J6Americans.
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Julie Kelly
Yeah, absolutely not. Most of them defend relied on public defenders. Some of those public defenders were very good. Others were terrible. And I saw, I saw both sides to that. But going back To Jeb Bosberg. I was in his courtroom in December, the week before Christmas, he put a woman who went inside the Capitol for nine minutes, committed no violence, charged with four misdemeanors. He put her on trial the week before Christmas before a D.C. jury juror from a city that had just voted 92% for Kamala Harris. He completely ignored her pleas to postpone the trial until after the President was inaugurated, knowing that she would be getting a pardon because of course she only had misdemeanors. And he denied postponing that trial, put her on trial for three days. She was immediately convicted by the CC jury. So that's the mindset of these judges. No due process, no protection of constitutional rights for American citizens because they're Trump supporters. But he swooped in Saturday as soon as he possibly could, ordering planes to be turned around carrying Venezuelan terrorists and now fighting the government for disclosure details of those deportations rights. Just, I mean, how can the government deal with someone like that? You can't block.
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Buck Sexton
I'm glad you brought that up about the quality of legal representation, because I remember this was one of the first things we talked about with you, Julie, was you were raising money so that the lawyers could be better. John Adams defended the Boston Massacre, British soldiers in a pre revolutionary America. For people out there that have forgotten, because it used to be a basically foundational belief of lawyers that everybody deserved the best possible legal representation, even people who were accused of heinous crimes. And to buck's point, and I know you saw this, Julie, everybody wants to line up. I've got friends who worked on 9, 11 prosecutions. The people who were involved in flying planes into our buildings have elite representation. Look, I don't begrudge that because I think that is the American system of justice. But Julie, just to kind of finish here, how many elite lawyers were willing to step forward and volunteer their time to rep the J6ers?
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Julie Kelly
There were no elite white shoe law firms that stepped up to defend a single J6 or not one. Again, there were some very good lawyers, some that were retained privately, most that were court appointed or public defenders, but not a single. You see all of these law firms lined up not just defending these terrorists, but fighting the Trump administration on anything. These are all big name law firms. No, none of them stepped up for American citizens because they considered them terrorists. You know, the Venezuelan gang members with tattoos all over the place who have suspected ties to tda, they're not terrorists, they're victims. But you walk inside the Capitol for nine minutes commit no violence and you have the chief judge of the D.C. district Court putting you on trial in the most democratic city in the country for a quick conviction. So no, none of them did. So shame on these law firms. And this is why I'm so glad to see the President doing what he can to vilify these law firms. Strip them of security clearances, access to documents and buildings, and doing, yes, damage to their business. Because that's exactly what they deserve.
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Buck Sexton
Julie, keep up the good work. Look forward to talking to you again. And thank you for the last four years. How awesome you've been talking to us and keeping us updated on all this.
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Julie Kelly
You guys are awesome for always having me on. Thank you so much. Talk to you soon.
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