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Ryan Seacrest
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Nate Silver
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Maria Konnikova
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Nate Silver
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Ryan Seacrest
Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I hope all of you are having fantastic Fridays. I bet there are some bleary eyes across the nation because basketball did not end until 1am last night on the East Coast. I am on the east coast in Washington D.C. gearing up for for a trip with President Trump on Air Force One that does not stink. I'm excited to be here in our DC studio. Freedom 104.7 reminder and thank you. We hit 555 affiliate stations this week, up nearly 200 since we started four years ago. That is a testament to this audience, to the show, and to people being able to overlook Buck Sexton hating cobbler and having pistachio ice cream fantasies. So the fact that we've overcome all that is truly remarkable. We got a lot to dive into here. President Trump this morning has officially signed papers to end the Department of Education. We're going to be reacting to that. Elon Musk, I think it's really kind of extraordinary, has become even more of a target. I bet you would agree with this, Buck, than even Trump himself. Now, I think they've recognized that there are no new attacks they can levy on Trump. I mean, once they call you Hitler and the American public goes ahead and votes for you, it's like, oh, I don't know that anything is really registering when it comes to the attacks on Trump but they are coming after Elon with a vengeance. And I was listening this morning. Our friend Sean Parnell, formerly of the Clay and Buck Podcast Network, now high up at the Department of Defense. Elon was meeting at the Pentagon this morning and the meeting was designed to try to figure out ways to save more money through Doge. It was reported in the New York Times that the meeting. And on its face, I just thought this was crazy, Buck, and I don't know about you. The New York Times reported that Elon was getting access to how we would respond to China militarily in the event they attacked, which is so outlandish and crazy, like, I thought I was being pranked when I saw the headline. They say that it is completely untrue. Here is Sean Parnell talking about what Elon was doing on the Pentagon visit. And I know Trump and Pete Hegseth, Defense Secretary, have just addressed it in the last several minutes from inside of the Oval Office. But here's our friend Sean Parnell cut.
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Buck Sexton
Six on the record. That is completely fake. And let me show you this. This started with this New York Times headline and they since changed it. But Musk set to get access to top secret US plan for potential war with China. This is egregious. This is fake. The New York Times should retract this story. Five anonymous sources. I've been on bilat calls with the Secretary. I see how hard he's working to implement the President's agenda and pursue peace through strength. This type of garbage from the New York Times undermines that process and undermines our mission. It shouldn't happen at all. Elon Musk is just coming over here for a visit.
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Ryan Seacrest
I mean, Buck, this is kind of crazy. First of all, do you buy that they would be giving a brief. Why would they give Elon Musk a briefing on the military response in the event we went to war with China? It's a very strange thing like what's going on here.
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Clay Travis
No, I think that whatever it is that they were reporting, whatever their sources said was either just flat out wrong or misreported because they had the story wrong.
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Ryan Seacrest
Right.
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Clay Travis
So it was either they just ran with it and didn't care or they exaggerated dramatically whatever it was that had been said. Keep in mind Elon Musk already has a top secret and compartmented security clearance. He can see a lot there. There seems to be this very weird game. You know, Tim Wallace, I think recently Clay said that Elon should go back to South Africa or something like that. Yeah, Elon's Been an American citizen for 20 years. Interesting, isn't it, how the Democrats all of a sudden are the xenophobic ones when they don't like what someone's doing to their favorite group of toys, which is all these different federal agencies. Elon also, because of the role that he has with SpaceX, is going to know more about, you know, aerodynamics, jet propulsion capabilities, space technology than basically anybody in the United States government. Anyway, I hate to have to break that to anyone, but if you want to know what's truly cutting edge, you wouldn't sit down with NASA, you would sit down with Elon. And I think that Democrats have a really hard, even if they tried to think it through, which they don't have a very hard time with that because they like to believe that just like in the movie Armageddon, there's a team of geniuses at NASA that will save us from the asteroid hitting, which, by the way, is not true. There's a team that could get a great DEI seminar going for you. But NASA is not what we were raised to believe it was from the moon landing days. So they're going after Elon, though, Clay. And I think it's because of a couple of things. One, they see him as really the, the implementor of the Trump agenda right now. And I think he also worries them in a longer term sense because he's the richest man in the world, running some of the most influential companies in the world, and he's going to be around for a long time and his influence isn't one election. His influence could be much more meaningful than that over the long term, you know, not just the four years that he may be helping Trump. And that's why they've, they've really focused their fire, pardon the expression, they focus their anger more at Ellen than at Trump for the last couple of months.
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Ryan Seacrest
I think you're 100% right. I would also suggest that partly it's because they have now recognized that their attacks on Trump just don't work. And what the data reflected, there's some interesting data from the election buck that shows that one reason Kamala had so much difficulty defining Trump was every time she tried to attack him, it actually worked to Trump's favor. Because once you try to imprison someone for the rest of their life and once you try to bankrupt them, and once you have called them Hitler for nearly a decade, eventually you get to the point where all of those attacks have no more impact. And I suspect that what has happened is they looked at Elon and they said, okay, he hasn't been attacked in the same way. And it's interesting, Buck, to me, because what they tried to do initially was say, oh, Elon's really the President of the United States. There was a calculated attempt to try to divide Trump and Elon by saying, Trump, who you've tried to tell us is this authoritarian Hitlerian dictator, is actually not in command of this regime, of this new term. It's actually Elon Musk that seems to have fallen flat because that was their initial way to come after Elon. Now the new attack is, let's try to hit Elon in the pocketbook. Let's try to destroy him. I mean, this Tesla stuff is crazy, Buck. Some of it is just silly. Like, there's a video that went viral of a woman pulling down her pants and, like, rubbing her butt on a Tesla. But then there's actually scary stuff like the firebombing. And I don't know if you saw this video that has started to go viral. I saw our friend Bill Malugian shared it this morning. Of a guy with a mask on who forces a woman off the side of the road, gets out and tells her that she supports Hitler because she's driving a Tesla and demands that she immediately sell it. This is strange stuff.
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Clay Travis
You know, this. If you think about what they had done with Trump, which was the creation of the ultimate political boogeyman, there are a lot of people who, now that they do this, let's say, you know, they'll talk about, like, stochastic terrorism, right? Which is if you just put the message out enough randomly, someone somewhere will act on it. This is a very. This is a Democrat concept for whenever they want to blame terrorism on Republicans. It's stochastic terrorism, right? And that's. That's a concept that they've come up with. It's actually from mathematics. It's essentially, if you try something enough the variability of a vast. With it, with a vast number set, someone's going to do something crazy. But what you see with Ellen, I think, is they have had to transfer the. That rage mechanism that they have built up against Trump. What really is the, you know, Trump's only. He's doing it. He's president. He's not running again. Like, they, you know, they tried to kill him twice. Like, it's just. He's not going anywhere. He won. And they have to deal with it now. Like, they've had to accept at some level that he is president. And this is the next four years. But I think that the emotional need they have. The same way those little maniacs who say they're antifa, meaning anti fascist, and they run around all dressed in black. You remember this? I mean, they pop up at different protests, but it's really all just one big act of self congratulation and narcissism for total losers. The total losers of the left. And there's lots of them, there's millions of them. Maybe it's only 5 or 10% of the Democrat Party, but Clay, they need somebody to hate and blame for all their problems because for a decade they've been trained to do that with Donald Trump and it just doesn't hit the same way anymore.
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Ryan Seacrest
Not only that, I think there's an element of they feel like they were betrayed because Elon Musk was their hero in creating an electric vehicle. Oh, yeah, and now it's like the bitter ex girlfriend where you start behaving in a fundamentally irrational way. Could be the bitter ex boyfriend. For people out there where it's not only that Elon is now allied in some way with Trump, it it's that they thought he was their great savior of climate change. To me, the funniest and most ridiculous aspect of all of this buck, is when you're lighting Teslas on fire, you're actually destroying the person who has done the most, probably to fight climate change, maybe in the entirety of the world.
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Clay Travis
And these people in particular, who are the ones lighting the Teslas on fire, I can assure you the overlap with people that are full of rage at Elon, but also believe the propaganda about climate as an existential threat. It's, it's probably close to 100%. OK, if you're that upset about Elon, you also believe climate change is an existential threat, which means that your willingness or your need to act out your childish rage against Elon and the Trump industrial complex is more important to you as a leftist maniac than saving the planet from the climate change threat that you believe is going to make us all go extinct. Gives you a sense of how deranged these people are. But the Democrats created a cult and the problem is you can't always control the cult members. Like when you tell the cult members that the world is going to end and you get to the hundredth time you've told them that, yeah, a lot of people are going to realize, ok, that was insane. But some of them are like, no, it's on the 101st day and that's who are lighting Teslas on fire. They are not giving this battle up at all. They are still insane and they are deeply enmeshed in the. Really? The msnbc, New York Times, DEI woke cult. I mean, we should come up with a more specific name for it. But that's what it is. The, the Fauci worshiping, Zelensky loving maniacs have all come together.
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Ryan Seacrest
I think deep down, Buck, they're actually starting to realize they're the bad guys. And I think I've been, I've been.
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Clay Travis
Thinking they're saying this for a while. I totally, I told. I think that they're worried, oh my God, what if we're wrong about everything? I think that that does occur to.
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Ryan Seacrest
Some of them and I think that's why you're seeing them act out so vociferously and violently. It's because in the back of their mind they're like, wait a minute, we've been arguing we're the good guys and we're on the right side of history and Trump's win of the popular vote. And even if you look, this is the thing that's crazy to me. Even if you look at what they're doing. Fuck. Elon is trying to save taxpayers money and they're lighting Tesla's on fire for it. I mean, this is what it's.
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Clay Travis
It would be different if Elon, If Elon were like the war czar for bombing Gaza. Yes, I would understand. You know, if Elon was giving press conferences, he's like, well, our technology is so much better at bombing Gaza. You know, if he was doing like.
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Ryan Seacrest
Pretty good Elon impersonation.
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Clay Travis
Thank you, thank you. I'm working on it. But you know, if he was actually doing that, I would understand a little more. He's like, hey, guys, your taxpayer dollars are being lit on fire and the money that's being spent by the government is debasing all of the money that you are earning and all the money that you are saving. I'm trying to stop this from straight up destroying the economy so that we have to have a reset the likes of which nobody wants to see. And people are like, light. His car is on fire.
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Ryan Seacrest
They're trying to treat him like he's a Bond villain and all he's doing is trying to make the government spend money more efficiently. It's one of the craziest bad guy descriptions that I've ever heard of.
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Clay Travis
And there's also a, there's a. I don't know if you'd say it's full circle. If it's poetic justice, it's they. They called for this fight. They made Elon. They made Elon who he is.
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Ryan Seacrest
They created him.
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Clay Travis
Yes, they created him because of a lot of things, a lot of the madness, a lot of what they've been pushing for, certainly the Trump era, which, which is really its own period of American politics now. Right. I mean, it's just different than everything else we've seen. But Clay, they transed one of his kids and he, he has said this. I am, I am not surmising this. They trans one of his young children. Not. Not even like a, you know, 17, 18 year old or whatever. And he said it means war. And he was serious. And that's where we are.
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Ryan Seacrest
That's one. And they tried to shut down his factories during COVID And I do think that the combination of those two has created a true fixation on destroying the WOKE virus in all of its essence. And we need to talk more about this because I'm just, I'm kind of blown away. It's rare that I'm surprised. I didn't think we would get to the point where the firebombings of car dealerships will be taking place.
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Ryan Seacrest
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show We talked about the attacks on Elon and we're going to continue to play some of those for you because they are outrageous, outlandish and indefensible. But Buck, you hit on something that I think is really important, which is not only are those attacks actually without any merit whatsoever, they also are generally coming from people who are morons and lack all historic knowledge and do not have the ability to make very cogent or tangible arguments. Among those Joy Reid who went on I think this was with Don Lemon. Remember when the comment about how brilliant Thomas Jefferson was when he dined alone? One of the great all time quotes. I would submit to you that Joy Reid and Don Lemon is maybe the dumbest combination of interviewer and interviewee that you could have in the political realm. And Joy Reed said, I think America's going to go to war with Canada and Canada's gonna win. This is real.
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Sean Parnell
Listen, you can't make Canada the 51st state without going to war with them. And let me explain how that happened, how that worked out. The last time we tried to go to war with Canada, they burned the White House to the ground in 1814 and won the war. Canada beat us in the War of 1812. They probably like their chances against us. We're not going to beat them in a war because we have never been able to do that. You'd have to occupy a country that is equivalent of the size of the United States in which the top 2/3 of it is uninhabited frozen forest land that touches the Arctic. You know how that worked out when the Nazis tried that with Russia, which is the equivalent of Canada on that part of the world. We gonna lose. We don't have enough troops to occupy. They are a country of 39 million people who are. Who have about as many guns per capita as we do.
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Clay Travis
It's not possible to be this stupid. She must be kidding, right? It's not possible that she's this dumb. I actually think she can actually be this dumb.
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Ryan Seacrest
I think she's actually that dumb. I think she's actually that dumb.
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Clay Travis
The fact that she was paid millions of dollars to explain the world to people on television at MSNBC tells you all you need to know about the state of left wing media. That was the dumbest rant I maybe have ever heard. It's actually. It's actually like the Mona Lisa of dumb.
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Ryan Seacrest
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Clay Travis
It should be hung up in a museum and people should study it for centuries to come. It is that dumb.
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Ryan Seacrest
So several things that stand out here. First of all, she manages to have some historical knowledge and misapply it all the time. The War of 1812 wasn't with Canada, it was with England. Let's start there. Which owned Canada at the time. And so was at the time probably the most powerful country in the world because America was still in its infancy. And even though we had won the Revolutionary War, we had not really established ourselves as the preeminent power in the world. Point one. Point two. She tries to make a historical analogy about the difficulty of conquering a country in a time of when the weather, when it's super cold. And she uses World War II as an example, I think. Although you could also point to Napoleon. But the problem is those were occupied lands her argument doesn't make any sense because she rightly says Canada, almost everyone in Canada lives close to the United States States border. You wouldn't actually have to commit much men or materiel to conquer the 2/3 of Canada where no one lives. Right? Like that's actually a really easy job. Third, she manages to treat the fact that they have more guns at 39 million people without recognizing that they have one tenth of the population of the United States and hence a fraction of the overall firepower, all while trying to treat the idea of an American invasion of Canada as a likely proposition. She manages to string together Buck so much historical inaccuracy while having a scintilla of knowledge such that she's actually dumber than if she knew nothing at all. Which is really kind of an interesting take, isn't it? Right. Like she would actually be better if she had no historic knowledge whatsoever because she has so misapplied the historical analogies that she's trying to apply that they actually render her argument worse than if she didn't have the knowledge in the first place.
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Clay Travis
I do worry that we are all and all of you listening are a little dumber just for having listened to how dumb that was.
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Ryan Seacrest
I just. This is where they are, though, Buck.
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Clay Travis
They primetime host, MSNBC until a few minutes ago. Primetime host, everybody. Millions of dollars got to listen to her. Rachel Maddow said her favorite colleague.
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Ryan Seacrest
Oh, yeah, Buck, this is also important, I think, for everybody out there listening. You and I. If people heard our off air conversation, would. We would sound almost identical. Maybe there's a new curse word peppered in.
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Clay Travis
It is the same. It just has occasional curses. Unless there are children within earshot.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yes, correct. And I don't think anybody would say, like, you've got to hear the outrageous opinion that Clay has or Buck has that he's actually afraid to say they don't exist. Right. The, the calls that we would have with producers, the meetings that we would have with advertisers are off air conversations, by and large. If they all went public, people would say, yeah, that's kind of what I expect because I listen to them for three hours every day. Imagine the idiocy that they protected Joy Reid from actually putting on the air.
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Clay Travis
This is to be, to be fair. I mean, your point is well taken. But one of the differences between TV and radio, you can hide with tv. You really can.
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Ryan Seacrest
You can, you can hide super dumb people and protect them from themselves because.
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Clay Travis
It'S all stage managed. It's, it's, it's Very much a, you know, it's a. It's a teleprompter based sport.
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Ryan Seacrest
It's a play. Put on makeup and you look into. I mean, it is very different than radio.
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Clay Travis
You cannot hide for three hours a day on radio, year in and year out, people know who you are. This is one of the reasons why the familiarity that people who listen to our wonderful audience, when they come up and talk to us, yeah, they know the name of. They know my wife's name, they know my dog's name, they know where I grew up. They know what I, what movies I like. I mean, they know more than, like anybody I ever went on a first date with. Five times, you know, a hundred. You know what I mean?
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Ryan Seacrest
It's pretty funny. 15 hours a week with everybody out there. And so you can't fake or hide. I think when you hear some of these people, like Don Lemon is a great example. I think you would hear it with Jake Tapper. I think you would hear it with Anderson Cooper. I think there are a lot of people that are not necessarily that good at what they do. Now, I think Rachel Maddow is actually smart. She's just a really kind of committed liar, which you can argue is even scarier. But when they lack the protection of a staff and when they lack the protection of a surrounding community to kind of protect them from themselves, many of these TV people expose themselves. And frankly, Buck, a lot of journalists have on social media, right? When they lack editors, when they're outside the framework of their job, social media just shines a light on who you really are. And that could be good or bad. But for many people, I think in the realm of current events, politics, media, news, television, sports, who are in the opinion business, you're actually recognizing they don't do a lot of homework. And they're not actually that smart outside of the parameters of the show that they have. And I think this is what happens with Joy Reid. I also think it's why audiences don't connect with them outside of television. Because to your point, Buck, they're not honest and they're not that authentic. And that also gets exposed.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, I hadn't heard that sound bite until we played it live on the radio. So you pulled that one off the sheet and I'm actually in shock. That was amazing.
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Ryan Seacrest
I sent it into gray.
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Clay Travis
It was the craziest, most like, overconfident but ignorant historical rant I've ever heard. It was amazing.
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Ryan Seacrest
That's what I'm saying. The little bit of historical knowledge that she had actually managed to completely invalidate her argument, such that she would have been far better off to have known nothing about the history that she was trying to cite. She misapplied all of it.
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Clay Travis
And the. But the initial premise, too. We're obviously not going to war with Canada.
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Ryan Seacrest
Correct.
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Clay Travis
It's so dumb to even entertain this. No one in the US Military would.
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Buck Sexton
Would.
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Clay Travis
Would follow an order to start bombing Ottawa. Okay, we love or invade.
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Ryan Seacrest
You think we're gonna take Windsor from Detroit?
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Clay Travis
It's not gonna happen. You know, I know that people think, oh, but they'll do, you know, everything Trump says, it'll just happen. No, and Trump's not gonna say it. And, you know, the whole thing is.
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Ryan Seacrest
We know Pete Exef pretty well. We know Sean Parnell pretty well. They're not invading Canada. Yeah, I'm sorry.
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Clay Travis
Pete is. Pete is not pouring over plans to drop nukes on Saskatchewan right now. I promise you. We know Pete very well for a long time. That is not happening.
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Ryan Seacrest
I also think you've talked about this before, not taking Trump literally. He finds something that he thinks is fun, funny, Justin Trudeau as the governor of Canada, and he exploits it and manipulates the media to cover it such that it turns into an actual conversation point. And what it does is disrupt the overall direction, and he ends up somewhere, nowhere near where he's arguing. And it's a win, but it's such a clear negotiation tactic. I don't understand how a decade after Trump has been in politics, every single thing, to a large extent, is still taken so literally by so many people who cover politics.
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Clay Travis
Well, I think that's why he, in part, he keeps doing it because he enjoys getting a rise out of them, and it also off balances them. Like, I know this from, you know, I play a fair amount of. Of, like, recreational, you know, country club tennis. I don't belong to a country club, but, you know, that's what people call it. And, you know, there's, like. There's, like, head games you can do with people. And some people get really, really into this stuff.
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Ryan Seacrest
You know, you.
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Clay Travis
You leave your bag on one side of the court so that it's like you've already picked your side, even though, you know these, like, little things. Trump loves that stuff when it comes to the media, man. He loves when the second they say you can't say, it kind of reminds me of somebody else I know the second they say Mr. Clay Travis, you can't say that. He's like, oh, yeah. And he just is going to pound that point day in and day out until they beg for mercy.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yes, I definitely enjoy doing things that people say I can't do. I'm not going to lie. And the number one way, the number one way to end if you dislike something that I'm doing is not to complain about it. Which, yeah, there's probably all sorts of things going on there. But we come back. Well, we got a ton of talkbacks. You guys are phenomenal with the talkbacks and our team listens to them all, so. So we appreciate you there. And I want to tell you, since 9 11, tunnel the towers foundation has been supporting America's greatest heroes and their families. Heroes like Mark Holbert. He was born into a military family and Mark's Father served for 25 years. Grandfather fought in World War II. Mark turned his childhood dream of serving into a reality when he enlisted in the United States Army. He served multiple tours, including three in Afghanistan. On his fourth tour, he stepped on an IED and he lost two of his fingers, both of his legs. The Tunnel of the Towers foundation provided Mark and his family with a mortgage free smart home, which enables Mark to live more independently. Mark and so many others have paid a high price to protect our country and our communities. Friends like you have helped to say thank you to Mark and so many others, not just with words, but through actions. Help even more of America's heroes like Mark by supporting Tunnel the Towers. Join us in donating $11 a month to tunnel the towers@t2t.org that's T2T.
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Clay Travis
We got a lot going on. The war against Elon from the lunatic left continues on. You've got AOC out there now and you know, we talked to Ryan Graduski about this yesterday, Clay. That was my first sense and I said it on the show after the election that they're going to try to build AOC up into a national level Democrat figure, a leadership figure, just because of her profile. Uh, she's got the right demographic appeal for them. I mean there's a lot of stuff that comes together for them that would make me think that they would do it. The problem is she's a socialist and she's not very bright. Um, but you know, then again, they made Joe Biden president somehow so they can figure out a lot of things. Right. But one thing you started to hear more of is they, they are using Elon as a pivot to get into the class warfare thing. So it's like, yeah, ok, inflation is bad. The price of eggs coming down under Trump, we all know, but was too high gas, all these things. But what they really care about is the millionaires and billionaires, right? The old Bernie Sanders routine and oligarchy. Here's Bernie Sanders with the usual stuff, saying that they will not Accept oligarchy. Play 21 today. We are here to say very loudly and no, we will not accept an oligarchic form of society where a handful.
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Ryan Seacrest
Of billionaires run the government.
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Clay Travis
No, we will not accept an authoritarian form of society with a president who undermines the Constitution and every day and.
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Ryan Seacrest
Is working aggressively to take away our freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.
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Clay Travis
Okay, yeah, whatever. Okay. The point here, though, oligarchy. He's talking about oligarchy again. And the thing that I find so interesting is they're clearly trying to create a handoff. Bernie's too old. They tried this with Biden. They know that they're not going to get their hand caught in that bear trap again. Right? The bird or mousetrap or whatever. Bear trap with a hand would be really tough. But they, they aren't going to do that again. I think they realize he is, too. He's in his 80s already, so he's not running four years. 83. He's not running at almost 90. Okay, fine. AOC, though, is supposed to be the beneficiary. It's like Bernie is the elder statesman and the, quote, intellectual socialist. AOC is the next gen. They're on this tour. But Batya Unger Sargan, who had that, that great clip on the Bill Maher show recently about how happy we all are that Trump is doing what he's doing and how great things are, the Trump voters have no regrets. Nothing but high fives all around. She pointed out that this whole oligarch thing and the whole Wall street for Republican, it's all crap. It's all lies. This is 18. Listen to, listen to her dismantle this. Well done.
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Sean Parnell
There is such an irony to Democrats talking about oligarchy, because of course, for every one billionaire that backed President Trump, Kamala Harris had two. Nine of the 10 richest counties in America are represented by Democrats. 65% of Americans making over $500,000 a year today are Democrats. 75% of hedge fund managers who make political donations donate to Democrats, and 95% of political donations from the top three management consulting firms go to Democrats. Meanwhile, President Trump absolutely crushed with Americans who make under $100,000 a year. The Democrats are the party of the wealthy, and Donald Trump is representing the working class because he simply lifted the Pro worker elements of the Democrats agenda when they abandoned the working class to cater to their rich base. This is all performance art.
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Clay Travis
100% true. Isn't that so? Well done. And Clay, those stats, I mean I am familiar with some of that before, but if you look at where the money, big, you know, big hedge funds, money goes to Democrats, government bureaucracy, federal bureaucracy, money all go, all goes to Democrats McKinsey and Bain and these, you know, supposedly elite management consultant firms. Don't get me started on what they really do. Democrats, the establishment elites are overwhelmingly Democrat now. They're trying to pivot into the oligarchy. And we care about the working class. They don't care. They don't give a. You know, what about the working class?
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Ryan Seacrest
I think social media has exposed how little depth there is behind these talking points. To your point, Kamala spent a billion and a half dollars and had far more wealthy people supporting her than in the election of 2024 than supported Trump. I was just out in San Francisco, Buck. Marin county, right across the Golden Gate.
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Clay Travis
Very pretty colonists unfortunately, but gorgeous.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, that's what I'm going to. Unbelievably beautiful. I have a friend from law school who lives in Marin county and we went out, had the kids, we went out and got something to eat. And after I ate dinner there, I went back. I'm a data nerd. I just wanted to know because she said, yeah, everybody around here is a die hard supporter of Kamala Harris. And she said every now and then I'll see like a Trump bumper sticker. And people are, you're gonna love this story, Buck. People are like aghast. So we were out for dinner getting pizza. I had my son, she had a couple of her daughters and one of her daughter's friends was there and, and, and we were kind of talking and everything else and she said, oh yeah, you know Mr. Clay, he's a big Trump supporter and her daughter is in sixth grade. And her daughter's friend was also in sixth grade, Buck, the daughter's friend looked at me like she thought I was from another planet. I don't think she had ever in her life, this little girl who was living in Marin county. Ever seen someone who was a Trump supporter? And my 17 year old, when we got in the car to head back to the hotel, he said, dad, that girl was terrified when she found out that you voted for Donald Trump and were a big Trump supporter. And when you said to her, he's actually a really nice guy. I told her about the milkshake story. And I was like, he's a good grandpa. It was as if I were telling her that I was from Mars. And I went and looked at the data. Marin county voted 90 to 10 for Kamala Harris. 90 to 10, Buck. I mean, it's not just that these people are in cults. It's that they really have bought into the idea that we're evil people. Look, we put on Joy Reid. I don't think Joy Reid's evil. I think she's a moron. They really think that we are.
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Clay Travis
Like, Clay's in a generous mood today. Yeah.
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Ryan Seacrest
I mean, they think that we're Nazi Stormtroopers. And. And I. Look, I mean, I. It really, like, I thought about this a lot when I got back to the hotel, because these are highly educated people. How can they be so insular that they are not familiar even with the arguments that are being made? And I thought, Buck, this tied in because do you know where some of these Tesla dealerships that are now getting firebombed are? Bay Area. Right. And a lot of people there feel somehow as if Twitter, which was certainly based in the Bay Area, and we've talked about this. San Francisco is one of the most beautiful cities in the. In the world. It may be the most beautiful, truly natural geographic city in all of America. Right. Just.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Ryan Seacrest
And they have such incredible wealth there. I think it's the wealthiest city in America on a per capita basis, yet their minds are so closed that they can't even comprehend some of the arguments. And they really have bought the idea that we're all a bunch of Nazi stormtroopers if we vote for Trump. And it really is just kind of staggering because, again, I disagree with a lot of Democrat voters, but I'm not trying to argue that they are truly evil.
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Clay Travis
Well, you made a point in the last hour that I think is worth hitting again and expanding on a little bit, and that is that Elon is a traitor to his class. And what's really interesting is that who is the original great class traitor in our lifetime in politics? Donald Trump.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yes, of course.
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Clay Travis
He's not supposed to. He's not supposed to care about the border. He's not supposed to. You know, Donald Trump was the billionaire that gets along with and likes the construction workers and wants them to be able to live in a nice house and have a nice wife and a nice family. Everything.
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Ryan Seacrest
They.
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Clay Travis
That is a huge problem for the elites and the Donald. And also the Donald Trump didn't have the respect for them. Meaning the New York Times, you know, you show up to Donald Trump, you say, I went to Harvard. He's like, who cares? Am I supposed to care? Why am I supposed to. How'd you get into Harvard? Who care? You know, he. He sees through a lot of the bs. Elon is a different kind of traitor to his class in their mind, which is the Silicon Valley. You want to talk about oligarchs, the Silicon Valley, ultra wealthy, ultra high iq, global industry dominating figure. They have all. I mean, look at Google and look at Facebook and look at, you know, I know Facebook started to play the game a little bit, but you look at all. Silicon Valley has been essentially the greatest wealth creation and concentration of wealth creation maybe in human history, if you did it on like a square mile basis. And it has unfortunately filled the country with horrible ideas. It has filled the United States with the most left wing because of their dominance in social media, because of the billions of dollars they've spent on politics in different election cycles going back for decades now. And Elon is the first one who has really broken from that, who's at the absolute top. I mean, he is like the apex of the pyramid. Clay and goes, yeah, that stuff that you guys have been promoted. That's insane. Yeah, you're wrong. It's destroying this country. That allowed you to build Facebook, that allowed you to build Google, that allowed for that massive wealth creation. So he's kind of the. The Trump of the Bay Area, in a sense. Right. Trump did it for the New York Times and Wall street and those elites. Elon has thumbed his nose at the West Coast, Silicon Valley royalty.
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Ryan Seacrest
That's, I think, really well said for east versus west coast and the symbiosis between the two. I would also point out, really, a lot of what we're talking about is builders versus bureaucrats, people who create something that didn't exist otherwise. Trump built buildings. Elon has built companies versus the people who really just kind of get involved in what has already been built and use it as their method to continue to make a living. What do Most people in D.C. build other than a continued tax on the people who actually build? And there's a frustration, I think that is what unites Musk and Trump on some level with a lot of the people in middle management that they feel like don't actually create. Trump gets along well with construction workers. Why would that be? Because he understands that they actually create things with their hands. They actually build the buildings that he's trying to put together.
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Clay Travis
Without them, you don't have Trump Tower.
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Ryan Seacrest
That's Right.
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Clay Travis
He likes Trump Tower. So thank you for the guys building it.
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Ryan Seacrest
That's right. And Elon has built his car almost exclusively that he sells in the United States. In the United States. And uniquely, I think, respects the craftsmanship for rockets or ships or whatever else. They're builders. And a lot of what Democrats represent now is actually the bureaucrats that effectively are taxes, leeches on the builders. And that disconnect is what's motivating a lot of the conflict that's going on right now in the country and why I think Elon is the new target in combination with the fact that they thought he was their guy and now they're having to look around and say, wait a minute, the guy who's done the most to fight climate change is actually a buddy with Trump. Well, yeah. And they actually connect. And it's a logical choice in many ways for what Elon has done.
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Clay Travis
And isn't it also interesting, Clay, that you see a pattern, a trend here, J.D. vance. I mean, I read Hillbilly Elegy like so many others did over a decade ago when it came out. JD Vance is an incredible American success story.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
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Clay Travis
That should be inspiring to everybody of any background, race, creed, or color to grow. I mean, few things are harder on a young person than having a broken family, an addict, mother. He's now the vice president, United States, and became a multimillionaire on his own and served in the Marine Corps before that. Ok. Yep. The left completely negates all that in their mind because he is the vice president for Donald Trump. Elon Musk, some guy who showed. They try to say that he's. I've read Elon's biography. I know you have, too. He is not a rich kid. Meaning, like he didn't grow up a rich kid. Yeah. His parents, his dad had a little bit of money, but it wasn't. He showed up here and was sleeping on the floor and kind of almost like a weirdo. So devoted to his career. I mean, he was absolutely all in. And has created multiple companies employing hundreds of thousands of people and trillions of dollars of wealth creation over the life of those companies. It's incredible what he's done. And they hate him. They hate him. And then you look at who the Democrats hold up. Joe Biden. Joe Biden is a leech. He's a leech.
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Ryan Seacrest
Most politicians who are professional politicians are leeches. That's the job. Now, you said earlier, and I think it's true, we need more people who have success in life and then decide to give back to the country.
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Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. So we're talking about the, the attacks on Elon and also some of what Trump said from the Oval this morning. Well, afternoon, morning, it was pretty close to being one or the other. And it's really interesting to see how Trump is not backing down at all. And one thing, Clay, that, that really did come across substantially is that Trump recognizes when these judges and these Democrats oppose things like getting, getting elite. Remember, these are not, it's not that he's taking Americans who have joined a gang and just sent them to some foreign prison somewhere. These are non Americans. They are not supposed to be in the country in the first place. They're, they're illegal aliens who are also part of a violent gang that is a designated terrorist organization. They are being sent out of the country and Democrats are going to the mat to make sure they have maximum due process rights. The same Democrats, and I mean the same individuals in some cases in the media and the Democrat Party who had no problem with nonviolent J6Americans rotting away in a D.C. gulag for a year without trial are now really concerned about Trenda Aragua members. But let's actually get an update here on the Elon story that was running on the New York Times from Undersecretary of Defense Sean Parnell, who joins us for the first time on the program since he has taken that senior Pentagon role. I feel like I should salute Sean, thank you for being with us. And tell us, tell us what you can about what happened with the New York Times saying Elon was gonna get all the China war plans.
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Buck Sexton
It was completely fake. And you wanna know what else? We had a heads up from the New York Times reporter, I should say there was five reporters on it, but by one of the reporters the night before that they were planning to write something like that. And this was the angle that they were gonna take. And we told them last night that it not true. Like, what are you doing? That's not true. This is completely fake. Yet they ran with the story anyway. And what's crazy to me, Buck, is that this secretary, Secretary Hegseth, has been working so hard to push peace through strength, to build up our force to work to implement the President's agenda. I've been on the bilateral calls with foreign leaders. I've heard him. I've heard him make the case for peace through strength. But articles like this, that Elon Musk is going to come to the Pentagon and get a super Secret Squirrel briefing on war plans with potential China. Not only does it undermine the Secretary's, you know, what his goals and ambitions are here, which I think is part of the point. It also, it's dangerous. It's dangerous because many of us took this job, Buck. And I know I speak for the secretary too, because we've got a lot of kids. Our job. I think we've got four years to get this done. You know as well as I do, Buck, the operating environment, the threat environment globally, is changing rapidly. We've got to change and evolve our force to meet it. But we've got kids that we've got to make sure that they inherit a world that is better than the one that we had, that is more prosperous than one that we had and is safer. And articles like this from the New York Times work against that goal. And it just makes you wonder what their motivation is. To me, it's just sickening. Retract.
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Ryan Seacrest
Not only should they retract, Sean, congratulations on the new job and thank you for the work that you're doing there and for hopping on with us. Don't you think, Sean, that this had to be coming via a leak in some way to the New York Times? And if that occurred, wouldn't that be criminal based on the method that it was distributed? And given the story that's out there about China war plans, what kind of investigation can we expect or should take place here.
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Buck Sexton
Well, we're still in the early phases of this, so we're still trying to wrap our mind around how something like this could happen. But, yeah, certainly it's a leak. In this case, a fake one. So whoever.
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Clay Travis
Who?
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Buck Sexton
The two anonymous defense officials. I mean, you sit there and you read the article from the Times, and you wonder if these anonymous defense officials are even real people. I don't know. But thankfully, in this regard, the leak was fake and we were able to control the narrative. But the fact of the matter is that this is a big building where we do nothing but plan, plan, plan for every contingency. And we can't have, you know, anonymous defense officials passing off, you know, what they think might be classified information to reporters who then turn around and publish it. Yeah, that's criminal. And I'll tell you, there have got to be consequences for that. So we're still trying to figure out how we approach this. But, yeah, I'll tell you, this is on all of our minds because this isn't. This is. I mean, politics is behind everything. But what we're dealing with here are global national security issues that could affect the safety of Americans or potentially the safety of Americans. You can't play with that stuff. So, yeah, what I can tell you, we're definitely looking into avenues that we can, you know, investigates. A loaded word, but we've got to do something.
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Clay Travis
Speaking of Sean Parnell, assistant undersecretary of defense at the Pentagon, formerly, as you know, Sean was a friend of ours here on the Clay and Buck podcast network. And Sean, just give us a sense of what some of the top agenda items are right now. That Secretary of Defense Hegseth, and then you working at the Pentagon with the rest of the team there. What are some of the top items that you're trying to do in terms of reform, in terms of transparency and just war fighting efficiency.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah. So I think the top priority for us, Buck and Clay, is defense of the homeland. It's. It's been something that both Democrat and Republican regimes over the last 20, 30 years have probably not been as strong as they needed to be on this. But, you know, we're. We are very, very focused on full operational control of the southern border. And that means the cartels not controlling a single square. Square mile of anything. That means stopping the flow of fentanyl into our country. It's the number one cause of death for people in America between 18 and 45. It's absolutely unacceptable. It needed to stop yesterday. I think we're really focused as well on, you know, this process will be slower, but a real focus on the Indo Pacific and deterring China. What looms large over many of, of these, these BILAC calls. Don't want to go in too deep on what's the substance of the conversations, of course, but the rising tide of the CCP is something that looms large over everything we recognize. It's something that we're going to, that we've got to focus on. It's a challenge for sure. The third, I think, is figuring figuring out a way to increase burden sharing with our allies. You know, the truth is our allies need to do more to both protect their nation and protect the world so that we don't have to, you know, we're always going to be there, we're always going to step up and we're going to do our part. But as I mentioned earlier, the world is changing and evolving rapidly. And if this country, the world's lone superpower, does not change rapidly and evolve with it, bad things will happen. And so those, I think, buck, are the top three priorities for us. I think, you know, operationally, but internally to the force, like, we're aggressively assessing standards, trying to get a sense of maybe how things changed over the years. We've removed all the caustic and divisive diversity, equity and inclusion nonsense from almost all of our digital platforms, the climate change insanity, all of the electric tanks crap that's done and gone at the Pentagon. We're cutting those programs and reinvesting them into programs that will make us more capable and lethal. So lots of things are happening here at the Pentagon in the first two months. And look, it's going to be pedal to the metal for us for the next four years because we really want it. We really want to change things and we're not going to waste any time.
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Ryan Seacrest
Doing it talking to Sean Parnell. All of that's incredibly important. I know there's been a lot of breaking news. I don't know if you've seen the latest breaking news. Your Pittsburgh Steelers are currently hosting Aaron Rodgers on a quarterback visit. So you get an opportunity to step outside of the world of geopolitics. Right call, wrong call. You've added some wide receiver weapons. You are a big time Pittsburgh Steeler fan. For people who don't know, should Aaron Rodgers be the next quarterback of the terrible towel waivers?
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Buck Sexton
Well, let me just tell you this. First of all, I'm excited as a Steelers fan for DK Metcalf. I just am. He's a Freaking beast. We need a receiver like him, a number one wide receiver that can be really a deep threat. And he. That guy, that guy is extraordinary. He's an extraordinary athlete. He's going to fit in well in Pittsburgh. Hey, I'm. Whatever. It's Aaron Rodgers. We'll give it a go. I think he. Look, I'm game, right? I'm game to try anything. This is the Steelers, I think, have struggled at quarterback since Ben Roethlisberger left the team. I've got an all of an above strategy on this one here, Clay, like it's Aaron Rodgers. He's a Hall of Famer. Let's give it a go, see what we can accomplish.
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Ryan Seacrest
Good stuff, Sean. We appreciate you making the time. Buck, we still need to get. I'm in D.C. right now, but we still need to come hang out with you guys at some point. Sean, down the line and make sure we get to get. Tell your story from over near the Pentagon.
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Buck Sexton
Oh, for sure. Now that I'm kind of like more settled, we can definitely make that happen. 100%.
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Clay Travis
Fantastic. Thank you so much, Sean. And maybe, I don't know, Clay says he's never been on an aircraft carrier. You know what I mean? Maybe we got to do some journalism.
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Ryan Seacrest
That would be pretty cool.
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Clay Travis
Get him on a Hilo, get him out to one. I'm just saying that's a good idea.
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Buck Sexton
We might be able to make that happen, too.
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Ryan Seacrest
Sounds awesome.
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Clay Travis
Thank you.
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Ryan Seacrest
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