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Clay Travis
Welcome in everybody. Wednesday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off now. Lot to talk to you about. Thanks for joining us here. We've got, we got more on this whole signal chat thing. We'll work you through some of this. I think increasingly clear that they're making a mountain out of a molehill, a tempest in a teapot. It's, it's one thing to say, okay, it's not great, we got to fix this. It's another thing to say, oh my gosh, how could we ever, ever trust these people ever again. They just hate Trump and everybody who works for him. So we have to keep that in mind. We will discuss though the latest details. The more chat is an interesting clay A day ago, Jeffrey Goldberg is, oh, I don't know if I can release this stuff. It's so sensitive. And then he releases it today. What a big surprise. Almost like this is all a political hit and not really having anything to do with national security, which I will also point out was not harmed in this. I talked to you yesterday about the classification system and how it is all built upon perceived possible harm. Like top secret would be grave, grave damage to US national security interests. Confidential is, you know, moderate damage to US national security interests. It's an imprecise thing. This is more art than science in a lot of ways. But well, we'll give you the details on this because I don't want your angry neighbor when you're trimming the hedges or whatever or mowing the lawn to be able to shout, did you see about the signal chat? And you're like, no, I didn't see. We'll tell you about it so you'll know. Also, we are enjoying the spectacular downfall of Disney with more from the Snow White megaflop that is underway right now. The IMDb ratings. The finger pointing has begun, Clay, about who is to blame for this thing to be such a mess. So that is to be something that we will dive into. And then we've got Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett. Clay, I'm sure you saw this after calling Governor Abbott hot wheels. Governor Abbott, who is wheelchair bound because of a tragic accident, has been for, I don't know, 50 years, 40 years. Now she says that she was not referring to him in a wheelchair. That, that had nothing to do with it.
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Buck Sexton
That's. First of all, I admire the blatant lie because it's so ridiculous. What is her explanation? I haven't, I didn't even see this. What is her explanation for what she was referring to if she wasn't referring to him being in a wheelchair?
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Clay Travis
Do you want me to tell you now or should we keep our audience on the edge of their seats and.
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Buck Sexton
Get to this in a few minutes? Genuinely have no idea. I'm curious what the spin is here. I have not seen this.
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Clay Travis
I think you'll have to stay with us to the bottom of the hour and I will tell you.
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Buck Sexton
Oh, that's what you call a good tease. I'm not going to be able to leave.
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Clay Travis
You know, I want you guys to stay with us here. Let's start with this. We had the dni, Tulsi Gabbard, and I keep telling you this because it's true. The best thing she can do is to fix the eye the intelligence community to the best of her ability and then come forward and say that there should no longer be a dni. Because there shouldn't, because it's absurd. But that is, that's not Tulsi's fault. She's doing a great job. She spoke this morning about the signal chat situation and here is what she said. Play cut one.
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Ritual
It was a mistake that a reporter.
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Buck Sexton
Was inadvertently added to a signal chat.
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Clay Travis
With high level national security principals having a policy discussion about imminent strikes against.
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Ritual
The Houthis and the effects of the strike.
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Buck Sexton
National Security Advisor has taken full responsibility for this and the National Security Council.
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Clay Travis
Is conducting an in depth review along with tech technical experts working to determine.
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Ritual
How this reporter was inadvertently added to this chat.
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Buck Sexton
The conversation was candid and sensitive, but.
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Clay Travis
As the president national security adviser stated no classified information was shared. There were no sources, methods, locations or.
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Buck Sexton
War plans that were shared.
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Clay Travis
This was a standard update to the National Security Cabinet that was provided alongside updates that were given to foreign partners in the region. Clay this is an internal senior level, a senior level deliberation of national security officials in the government. Somehow a, an American journalist got access to it. And I think it's just an oversight, an error, one that will not be replicated. And I'm already kind of tired of talking about it. But I just don't want to let anybody leave anybody in the lurch with the ability to get attacked by oh, but did you see the latest or did you see more? But this is a, this is a political hit. They've had nothing to attack Trump with other than the stock market went down today, the price of eggs is high, and so now they're doing this. I don't think we're talking about this by Monday of next week. And that's the way that it should be.
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Buck Sexton
So the one thing I will say is it definitely feels more and more calculated to me the way that this has been released because they're trying to turn it into a multi day story as opposed to a one day story. So yesterday's story was, oh my goodness, can you believe this happened? I guess it was actually the day before yesterday. Right. This initially happened on Monday afternoon if I remember correctly. But after we were off the air Tuesday, we talked about it. That seemed to kind of have died down and basically ended. And, and then this morning more of the text change, text chain is released and I wonder if Goldberg is keeping more of the text chain to try to have a third bite at the apple, so to speak, to keep the story getting a lot of attention. I think in general, the fact that the reporter was added to the chat, it makes it look more incompetent than malicious if this, if that makes sense. And I also think that one reason this is not going to, I agree with you in terms of how many days it's going to go on, but one reason it's not going to be a never ending multi day story is because there was no hypocrisy, by and large, in what we've seen so far on the text chain that was released publicly. That is different than really what people would say privately. And usually these stories blow up in a big way when we become aware that what was being said publicly was very different than what was being discussed privately. And we've seen, for instance, a lot of the emails around Covid, when you saw the scientists privately expressing doubts about, for instance, the lab leak and whether it might have happened or whether Covid was created in a lab as opposed to coming from an animal. But then when they all went out in public, they uniformly said, oh, there's no, there's no basis whatsoever for anything other than this story. I do think that Trump coming out and basically shutting it down has also gone a long way towards, towards eliminating the fallout. And of anybody out there, who do you think trust the national security experts less than Donald Trump right now? After the same guys with, we talked about this, the FBI raided his house and took out all these supposedly classified documents. And then we didn't talk about it a lot, but just a few weeks ago, they gave them all back to him. Buck, did you notice when he was on Air Force, Air Force One a couple of weeks ago, but also on Marine One, they were carrying boxes which were the papers that they had seized that they were going to try to put him in prison for the rest of his life for having. Oh, by the way, now they've given them back to him. I just think that that capstone to this story did not get a lot of attention if these papers are so dangerous. I know he's the President of the United States again, theoretically, he could declassify anything if he wants. But I think he recognizes that a lot of this is bureaucratic rigmarole in the way that it talks. Let me also add this. I don't think the average American cares that much. Right. I think if you're a die hard propagandist partizan on the left, you're super fired up about this story. The average person in America today, I don't think that there would be anyone out there that, that is obsessively following this who is a middle of the road voter, just a regular person.
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Clay Travis
I think the people who are particularly critical of this in public, again, it's a mistake. There's no question they've admitted that it's a mistake. But nothing bad happened. Right?
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Buck Sexton
Right.
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Clay Travis
The no harm, no foul principle should apply to do things like this, just like it does everything else in life. The strikes happened. The, the Houthis. I know people say Houthi and Houthi, by the way, and it has to do with the transliteration from the Arabic. Modern Standard Arabic has something closer to a th sound for English speakers, but in the Arabic dialect. I believe in Yemen, it's more like a T. So just if I switch back and forth, everybody switches back and forth, forth. Clay says Hootie. I say Houthi. DNI Gabbard said Houthi. Because I know we're going to, you know the pronunciation police. I know you're out there. I knew you're cruising around with your aviators on and your state trooper hat, you know, drinking your, drinking your black coffee, just looking out there, waiting for somebody to mess up the pronunciation. So I am, I am well aware of the differentiation between Houthi and Houthi. But, Clay, the. None of this stuff is big. Nothing happened. Look, the, the. The problem that I have had in the back of my mind with this or the thing that could become a problem is if Jeffrey Goldberg had something really sensitive in there that shouldn't be in a signal chat and they've lied about it by saying there's nothing sensitive and then he drops that. That. That was my concern. It doesn't seem like that's going to happen right now based on the chat. We've all read the chat logs now. They've been released. Unless he's holding something back and setting a trap for the people that were coming forward to speak about this. But, you know, you asked us, ok, what, what happened? The strike occurred. There's no reason to believe the strike didn't happen exactly as planned. What's the problem? Right? I mean, you know, you ask yourself that question and there's really no answer to it. And I think that that tells you all you need to know about this. The.
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Buck Sexton
The.
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Clay Travis
I don't know how Jeffrey Goldberg got added. Somebody added him, ok? Like, I don't like being talked to like we're idiots. There's a little, a little tiny bit of that coming around on some of this stuff. Like, we don't know. We need to have the smartest tech minds. No, you guys, someone mistakenly added a journalist and they meant to add somebody else. Ok, let's not, let's not do this thing. Where is the Atlantic hacking into? No, the Atlantic, which is run by and, you know, full of staffed by imbeciles, is not hacking into signal with top principles of the United States government national security complex. Somebody made an oopsie. Nothing bad happened. Don't make another oopsie. And the Democrats are doing what they always do, which is just find some way to make this all about attacking the people in charge because they don't like them. That's, you know, that's really what this comes down to.
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Buck Sexton
One thing, I have thought about this and I agree with a lot of that. How many different other signal Chats are currently underway on the group text chain. In other words, if we've got one dealing with the Houthi bombing that's going to be taking place, are there 10 other group chats? This is one thing I, I am thinking about. And are we certain that everybody on those group chats is who they're supposed to be? Because I don't think that for the first time ever, they just had, I think it was an 18 person group chat relating to this particular incident. I would think, based on the way these guys are communicating, that they are regularly communicating in general. So how many other group chats are out there? I think that's one of the steps that'll be taken next. And hopefully there's no random journalist on.
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Clay Travis
Them, but this is fine. Clay, national security officials are human beings who have to operate in the real world as well. They speak on open lines. They. I was just on the phone with the CIA yesterday. Don't get me started. Trying to get my book through the review process. I am.
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Buck Sexton
How's that going, by the way?
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Clay Travis
I am very, very unhappy with them. But that's a whole other conversation. They're blaming Elon now. We can't get anything done. Oh, anyway, I don't want to get into it. I don't want to get into it. It's very, very frustrating. Very frustrating over there. But when you're, when you're on an open line, I mean, you, you can speak to people on an open line and you just can't speak about classified. And if you start to, they're just going to hang up on you right away. So there, there are ways that, you know, you can get in contact with national security officials, or rather that national security officials speak to each other and you just have normal conversations. Right. I mean, or you speak about things as though you could be recorded, or you have to assume you're being recorded, you're being intercepted and you don't talk about classified stuff. But this is like the foundation of all operational security. It all comes down to the individual. There's all these posters and things. If you go into, whether it's a military base or you're in a, you know, CIA, CIA office, there's, you know, operational security starts with you. Yeah. Because, you know, stuff that if you shout it out loud, it would be very bad. So you don't do that. And it's on you to make sure that the level of classification that you're operating on or under is attuned to the system you're using. So open Line phone, assume the Russians are listening and who cares? Right? Because then you're assuming they're listening. So, Clay, when you're saying, are there other signal chats? That's not a problem. There are unclassified emails that go around government officials, Right? The same thing with Hillary and her server. The problem wasn't that Hillary Clinton ever used unclassified email. The problem was she only used unclassified email and had special access program data and all kinds of really classified stuff in there, Right? That was the. It's not, oh, my God, how could you send an unclassified email about yoga and chardonnay drinking? It's that she messed it up. So I don't know that we can assume or we should assume that anybody messed anything up on any signal chats. But, yeah, this one is not. Look, it's not good. I'm not going to. But it's not a big deal, right? There's not good and not a big deal. It's in the national security world, I would say it's more like a speeding ticket. And they're saying that this is more like a mass murder because they're insane. So.
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Buck Sexton
Well. And they need something to attack. And this is where you've given the opportunity of all the journalists that could have been added on the group chat, maybe the worst one to add, just. Just tossing it out there.
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Clay Travis
That is a very good point. I mean, to add the national security quote, unquote correspondent or writer or editor or whatever, who is probably more directly than almost anybody else, tried to destroy Donald Trump. That's the thing, right? I mean, if they had added some reporter, you know, you or me, we.
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Buck Sexton
Would have been like, hey, I don't think we're going to be on.
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Clay Travis
I don't think I'm supposed to be on this.
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Buck Sexton
And it would have. Nobody would have ever known, right? I mean, it's that they added this guy, he stayed hidden in the chat, saw all the chats, and he hates Trump. And so they. They basically got the worst possible journalists to screw up and add to the chat, if that makes sense. It's not only who they added, but I want to tell you, uh, our friends at. At Hillsdale want everyone to know the Constitution front to back, fundamental to their core teaching mission. That's why kids at Hillsdale, college kids have to take Constitution 101. Everyone, they think at Hillsdale could be and should be able to experience this learning. But there's also lots of other topics. World War I, World War II, rise and fall of the Roman Empire Greatest books ever written. Millions of Americans have taken one or more of these Hillsdale courses and they're all 100% completely free on your timeline. No grades, no set schedule. Just learning at your choice of time, place and manner. Why not? Check it out. It's super cool. Clay and Buck4Hillsdale.com is that website. That's Clay and Buck f o r hillsdale.com to register one more time. Clayandbuck for hillsdale.com Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Mic drops that never sounded so good. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clay Travis
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Ritual
We're both journalists and professional poker players.
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Clay Travis
And on our podcast Risky Business, we.
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Ritual
Talk about taking risks in everything from poker to politics.
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Clay Travis
And we talk about betting. From betting on elections to betting on your favorite basketball team, we've learned a lot about taking risks through our own research and sometimes even our own bets. And we share what we've learned with you.
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Ritual
Are you still doing sports betting?
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Clay Travis
I had no idea that you'd wagered over a million dollars for your research.
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Buck Sexton
I bet almost the entirety of the.
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Clay Travis
2022, 23 NBA season, all the regular season and about half the playoffs. And I learned that. I mean, it's probably what I should have expected, but I learned that it's pretty hard. I went on a huge heater at the start of the NBA season where it was up like 70,000 bucks. I'm like, man, I'm really good at the sports betting stuff. But then, but then things change. Now that Marge Madness is upon us.
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Buck Sexton
We'Re talking bracket strategies and a whole lot more.
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Ritual
Join us and listen to Risky business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or.
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Clay Travis
Wherever you get your podcasts. All right, welcome back in. So let's talk about Hot Wheels Gate. Now. First of all, Clay, totally separate, but it does remind me anything that allows me to indulge my 80s 90s nostalgia gets me excited. Were you ever a Hot Wheels guy when they were a big thing? Remember the car? Remember on tv, they made it seem so cool, these toys. And then you'd get them when you were like 6 years old and it didn't go by itself and it didn't look as cool as it did on tv.
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Buck Sexton
I was not. But my oldest son was a big Hot Wheels kid. Like we had a lot of, you know, cars for him to play with. He had the, the tracks, you know, where you can race cars against each other. He was, of my three boys, the one that, that I remember being the most sort of into Hot Wheels and we spent a lot of time playing cars.
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Clay Travis
I remember my, my little nephew who's growing up very fast, my sister's boy. It's funny because it's one of those experiments that you didn't mean to run, but you see it in real time. He just like so many other little boys. This is just in the whole gender, you know, what's gender normative? Everything else. He loves trucks and dinosaurs.
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Buck Sexton
Yep.
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Clay Travis
And what I think is no one ever told him you need to like trucks, you know, like dump trucks and, and you know, like, like construction kind of trucks. He is, he's got all these toys everywhere. He's, you know, three years old now and dinosaur. He knows more about dinosaurs than I do. And I actually think I was pretty good. You know, he was talking about like Pachycephalauris or something. I don't even know that. But the boys like things that boys like at a young age, you know, and it's different. He's not sitting there playing with little tea sets. And it's just based on what he asked for. Side note. But I do think it's, and there's a lot of science that all the scientific data supports this. I might add that little boys like different things in terms of, you know, how they play and their toys and everything than little girls. And it's not, you know, oh, if only we gave them gender neutral clothing, this wouldn't happen. Okay, side note, but hot. Ok, back to Hot Wheels because Buck is, Buck has been, has been weaving the story here a little bit. Back to Hot Wheels. Here's what we've got. Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett. She said she made a Hot Wheels joke. And I don't do the pearl clutching thing. I don't think any of you do it. You know, we. Look, it's an inappropriate, it's a gross thing to say, but you know, Governor Abbott's running the Great state of Texas. And, you know, he's an incredible success story. And, you know, I don't think he's up at night upset about this. Right. I mean, you know, he's. He's a big, successful, powerful guy. And, you know, it's. It's gross.
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Buck Sexton
I said I would be wearing. I would be wearing a Governor Hot Wheels T shirt.
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Clay Travis
I agree with you that, that leaning into it that, you know, if he decided to get, like, flames painted on the side of his wheelchair or something.
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Buck Sexton
Actually, really, really funny.
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Clay Travis
Right?
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Buck Sexton
That's a great idea. Yes. Yeah.
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Clay Travis
Like, if he just leans into it because, yeah, obviously, you know, he's overcome a tremendous challenge in his life, but he's done so with. With amazing success. And, you know, we, We. We know and like the governor, Texas a good guy. Um, so anyway, she said that, which was not good.
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Ritual
Okay.
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Clay Travis
It was not as. It was not. It was a. It was a nasty and dumb thing to say. Not a surprise coming from Congresswoman Crockett. And then she put this out, Clay. And I'm quoting here. This is her justification or her rationalization or what happened.
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Buck Sexton
I want to hear this. I have not seen this.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, this is first time for Clay. So you're getting this in real time. I think a lot of you will be getting this in real time. Quote, I wasn't thinking about the governor's condition. I was thinking about the planes, trains, and automobiles he used to transfer migrants into communities led by black mayors, deliberately stoking tension and fear among the most vulnerable.
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Buck Sexton
Literally.
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Clay Travis
The next line I said was that he was a hot ass mess, referencing his terrible policies. At no point did I mention or allude to his condition. So I'm even more appalled that the very people who unequivocally support Trump, a man known for his racially insensitive nicknames and mocking those with disabilities, are now outraged. Clay. One, she didn't write this. Two, no one believes this. She doesn't believe it. Her supporters don't believe it. We don't believe it. What is she doing?
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Buck Sexton
I. I just. I don't think she's very intelligent. I mean, and. And we said that about aoc. I think AOC is a next level smarter than Jasmine Crockett. I just. I don't know who the Jasmine Crockett constituency is. Is. I understand that she has a congressional district. I presume, if our team can look it up. I presume that it is one of the congressional districts that the state of Texas has basically loaded with Democrats. Right. Unfortunately, to a large extent, Most congressional districts are not actually that competitive. There's 435 of them nationwide. I think there's about 30 that in any given year now can swing one direction or the other. Both parties have gerrymandered to such an extent that they have guaranteed themselves the maximum number of seats in the states that they control. And they have stuffed a lot of Democrats in seats or they've stuffed a lot of Republicans in seats. So I'm guessing Jasmine Crockett is representing one of those seats. And so there is no requirement to that she in any way be a reasonable person. Having said that, I encourage her to keep talking. I think that every time Jasmine Crockett opens her mouth, Republicans gain more supporters, and she doesn't gain anyone. And this is not a spot you want to be in. It can be simultaneously the case that it's for her career to be saying the things that she's saying because she is in a safe seat in the state of Texas, I think the Houston area somewhere, and she can't be removed because she's seen as a powerful person in Democrat politics. But it can also be the case that she is lighting on fire her ability, her ability to grow the overall Democrat Party, by the way, Dallas, not Houston area district. And I just encourage her to keep talking. And that is. I mean, that's when you're attacked. The basic PR move now is to pivot on your attack and immediately double and triple down on the attack that you made in the first. First place. So she immediately goes after Trump for being racist and whatever, xenophobic, whatever she wants to accuse him of. But everybody knows, I mean, a governor is in a wheelchair. Do you really? You don't think if she's too dumb to recognize that calling him Governor Hot Wheels is like, let's presume that might.
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Clay Travis
Actually be worse than being a nasty person who would. Who would make fun of that kind of a disability?
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Buck Sexton
She would actually be so dumb that she wouldn't even conceive of, like, no. No light bulb goes off in her head when she's like, he's literally in a wheelchair.
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Clay Travis
And.
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Buck Sexton
And you're mocking him using wheels. I mean, come on. Like, that's.
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Clay Travis
She.
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Buck Sexton
If she's truly that dumb, it's even worse. Almost.
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Clay Travis
The pivot you talked about, the PR pivot. Was it Harvey Weinstein, if memory serves, this is like, a decade ago. Who said, when the allegations came out about him, I'm going to dedicate myself to fighting the nra. Was it Harvey Weinstein who did that? I think so.
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Buck Sexton
That's really funny.
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Clay Travis
Which was one of the. It was like, it was like, excuse me, I was not sexually assaulting all these women. And I'm going to redouble my efforts against the nra.
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Buck Sexton
Was it Kevin Spacey who came out for the first time as gay? As soon as he got charged with sexually inappropriate behavior? Somebody came out.
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Clay Travis
Well, there was the governor. The governor of New Jersey had a, had like, I think it was his. Again, guys, I'm going on memory. I don't remember everything. I think it was his lover. He was married to a woman and I think had kids.
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Buck Sexton
Governor McGreevey was gay. Yeah, that's right.
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Clay Travis
And then came out and said, I am a gay American. When he had gotten his like boyfriend, basically some senior level six figure job, like a no show job in the Jersey state government. And it turned into this whole scandal. Guys, fact, sorry, we're throwing a lot of fact checks at you in real time. I think though, Harvey Weinstein was the one who pulled the NRA thing, which was just on like, it's, it's like, hey, hey, hey. I know everyone's thinking that I like did all these terrible things to women, but I'm going to write a check to fight the NRA right now. And that was supposed to get him out of it.
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Buck Sexton
Well, and a lot of people did the. I, this is probably years and years ago, but you remember anytime you did something bad, you just went to rehab. Like for, in Hollywood, the number one move for like 20 years was oh, so and so did so and so. And you're like, yeah, I'm just going to rehab.
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Clay Travis
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Buck Sexton
That doesn't really happen anymore. It's like we don't give the rehab card the same way. So now it is very odd. Like I, I think it was Kevin Spacey who was like, you know, actually I'm gay and I'm just being targeted because I'm gay.
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Clay Travis
Oh, by the way, I, I actually nailed it with the recall on this one. I pulled this one up. Clay Harvey Weinstein. This is back in. I said it was a decade ago. Is that right? Yeah, 2017. So basically a decade ago he said, this is amazing. Remember this guy was accused. I mean, he's serving time, I think still, or I think he, one of his convictions got overturned, but he has served time for rape. I'm not sure what the current adjudication of his cases is, but he went to prison for a long time. But when this was all coming out, he said, this is true. I've decided that I'm going to give the NRA my full attention. He is determined to, quote, channel his anger toward the National Rifle Association. That. That was really his pivot. That was his go to. It's like, hey, I know you think that I'm a rapist or I've been charged by women on the record and by law enforcement with sexual assault, but I really hate the nra, so let's focus on what matters here. Now, that didn't work for him, but I just think that that may be the most outlandish pivot of that kind I can remember. But Jasmine Crockett pulling the. Oh, I wasn't making fun of Governor Hot Wheels in a wheelchair, by the way. Trump is really bad. What does that have to do with anything?
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Buck Sexton
Correct with anything. It's a very predictable pivot. But again, I love your idea of him putting flames on. Actually be really funny for his next press conference. If he came out with the Hot Wheels flames on his wheels, I would definitely wear the Governor Hot Wheel. I mean, I don't think it's a bad nickname, honestly. Like, and it definitely throws it back in her face and makes it very funny. Um, I, I think that would. I think that would be phenomenal. I would encourage the governor to, to take that move because I think even people who don't like Greg Abbott would respect the sense of humor that he is showing. And obviously he's a very accomplished guy. And to your point, I mean, I. A tree fell on him when he was out, I think, jogging in his. In his twenties.
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Clay Travis
Horrible accident.
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Buck Sexton
Horrible accents. Awful.
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Clay Travis
Yeah. So, yeah, yeah.
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Buck Sexton
By the way, Kevin Spacey Buck did also come out as gay as soon as he was accused of sexual misconduct. It's like, oh, by the way, guys, I'm gay. You know, like. Well, okay, but you were accused of sexual misconduct. That was, that was. That's very cool.
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Clay Travis
I feel like we can look back now at this, at the rise of. Remember they used to talk about intersectionality all the time.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Clay Travis
Which is the pseudo scientific description of a society that's just all these interlocking oppressed groups. Right. And there's this hierarchy of oppression and everyone's a. We don't. They don't really use the term really anymore. But with the rise of intersectionality, there was the, oh, I'm in trouble. I have to retreat into the bunker of my oppressed group as fast as possible.
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Buck Sexton
That's right.
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Clay Travis
That was the move. Right.
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Buck Sexton
But even, like, even gay people on the Kevin Spacey thing were like, no, you. This is not the way that you get to come out and be like, I'm being targeted because he was accused, remember Buck, initially of sleeping with a 14 year old boy. So I think.
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Clay Travis
No, no, I think I. No, no, I think it was. I think it was making a move on. I don't think. I believe.
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Buck Sexton
Maybe you're right here.
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Clay Travis
I don't think.
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Buck Sexton
Let's see.
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Clay Travis
Well, anyway, he was accused of something bad.
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Buck Sexton
Sexual advances.
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Clay Travis
It's sexual advances. Yeah. He did not actually. There's a distinction there, but there he did anyway.
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Buck Sexton
Point being, shit to have.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, he, he completely. He also has always. I don't think he ever was charged with anything, was he? He's always.
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Buck Sexton
I think he beat the charges in England.
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Clay Travis
Oh, that's right, in England. Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
So he was actually. His innocence. Yeah.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
In hour number two, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the program. We'll take some of your calls. We'll continue to react to everything. And we bring in now our good friend Bill O'Reilly. Next book comes out in September, Confronting Evil, Assessing the Worst of the Worst. And he's got a three Americans Live show with Stephen A. Smith and Chris Cuomo in Westbury, New York. It is this Sunday. Tickets available@billoriley.com Bill, we appreciate you coming on. All right. How big of a story do you think the signal controversy is? How long does it go on? What is your analysis right now?
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Bill O'Reilly
Pretty much over today, unless there's another revelation. So we know what happened. You know, Walsh inadvertently screwed up his communications on this Internet site and this weasel, Jeffrey Goldberg, got on the site and got the information. Big mistake. Not a scandal. If I were President Trump, I wouldn't fire anybody. Certainly embarrassing. If it happens again, then he has to fire a whole bunch of people.
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Clay Travis
I think that's totally correct or I totally agree with that, Bill. Thanks for being here with us. The, the one part of this that I think is, is interesting is or there are a few things that have come out of this, but one of them is what do you think are the, the ethics of a journalist in this case, getting access? Do you think that he plays the I'm a journalist so I should just find out whatever I can card or given that it's national security, which by his own admission is high level stuff, impending strike, he should have ducked out of it. I mean, what do you think is the right move? Quite honestly, if you were advising somebody who came to you and said, hey, I'm in this chat and they're talking about some stuff they shouldn't, what would you tell them to do?
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Bill O'Reilly
All right. As the dean of American journalism, that's me, 50 years this year in the business getting paid 50 years. So I'm appointing myself the dean of American journalism. If it were me and I got on a thread accidentally as a reporter, I would take notes, all right? I would get the information because that's what reporters do. And Goldberg I don't think did anything deceitful, but I'm not a entirely sure and I'm going to make a point about that in a moment. But as far as a reporter is concerned, his or her duty is to assemble information. And this would be something that drops in Your lap. And you're going, whoa, I'm going to listen to this. Okay, so that's not any kind of violation of journalistic ethics or anything else, then you have to decide what to do with the information. Now here it becomes a little bit murky if lives are in danger, if military action is compromised, certainly you cannot release it. Cannot until after the fact. And I believe that's what Goldberg did. So this all happened on March 15th.
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Clay Travis
Right.
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Bill O'Reilly
So he was treading a fine line, no doubt. And the FBI should be interviewing him. I don't know where Cash Patel is, but agents should have interviewed him on Monday just to find out, you know, what the deuce happened. Right. Does that make sense to everybody? Why wouldn't you be, Jeffrey Goldberg, be interviewed by the, by the FBI? I don't believe that's happened. That as nobody knows about it, it should. Finally, the importance of the story is that if you are going to depend on the Internet for vital national security communications, the Chinese and Russians are going to be your best friends. So all these people should have known better, all of them. It's a lot of inexperience in that national security room, as we all know. And I pointed that out before these appointments were made. So there we go.
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Buck Sexton
So what do you think? You said you think the story's basically over. President Trump certainly has no love lost for the national security experts out there demanding that people be fired after they raided his home and tried to put him in prison for the rest of his life for classified documents. Trump seems to be totally behind his team right now. Through 60 days, there been very few leaks. I mean, this was, as Buck and I have talked about, not only an error, but an error that actually was probably the worst person you could have put on the, the text thread. Right. Because I, I don't think most people would have behaved in the way necessarily that Jeffrey Goldberg has. But we're through 60 days. You think this story is going to go away? What grade would you give President Trump? Bill O'Reilly, right now, through the first couple of months of Trump 2.0.
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Bill O'Reilly
Okay, so you're not just grading him on this incident, you're grading him on the performance. So I actually was asked this question on Stephen A. Smith podcast Monday, and thank you for mentioning the live show that we're doing on Sunday at Westbury, Long Island. And I give Trump various grades. So he gets an A plus on the border.
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Buck Sexton
Yep.
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Bill O'Reilly
He gets a B plus on the deportations of criminal aliens. I think that Homan, who I had on my Program the notesman news yesterday. It's got to be a little bit more methodical about who's getting booted out of here and why. So but I give him a B. Plus the tariffs. I'm giving them a C and an incomplete because we do not know how that's going to work out. And it spooked the stock market. So some people got hurt in the short term. I tell all my listeners and viewers, do not react to political things in the stock market. Just ride it out. And there is information, by the way, that is coming in, I think it was one of the Arab states, Gulf states, investing a trillion dollars in American economy. And that's not reported by the corrupt press. So there are, there is big money coming into the United States which will bolster the economy. But right now people are confused about tariffs. It is a confusing situation. And so I'm giving them a C there as far as overall demeanor is concerned. As you guys probably know, I was in a cabinet meeting in the White House on St. Patrick's Day. He was totally in command. I think he's doing the right thing with Putin, even though Putin is on the COVID of my upcoming book, Confronting Evil. Putin is evil, but you got to deal with evil sometimes. And I think they're going to get some kind of ceasefire in Ukraine. That's big. So overall, I would say President Trump is having a successful launch into his second term.
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Clay Travis
We're talking to Bill O'Reilly. Oh, sorry. I just want, Bill, I want to ask you, you mentioned the live show coming up with Stephen A. There's a different kind of live show that's been happening lately, a road show of sorts with Bernie Sanders and aoc. It's like the socialist elder statesman trying to pass the torch to the woke radical leftist. You know this, is this the future of the Democrat Party? You think, are they going to lead into this? You know, how do you see that playing out? Because they have, as we've discussed with you before, the bench, they can tell us all day it's strong. Their bench is not strong right now.
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Bill O'Reilly
Well, if they continue on this way and you throw in Maxine Waters saying that Melania Trump may not be a citizen, you throw in that Crockett woman in Texas who is mocking Greg Abbott in a wheelchair. You put that all in one soup bowl and Americans are going, this party is disintegrating with a 30% approval rating. You're going to have two communists go out and do a tour. Sanders is a hardcore communist. He wants to seize private property. Ocasio Cortez, I don't think understands the difference between socialism and communism could be wrong. And I don't want to be supercilious. Word of the day. She went to the same college I went to, Boston University, but I don't think she understands economics at all. I think she's just a trendy person who goes and says what she thinks her radical left followers want to hear. But Sanders is a dangerous man. He's dangerous. And I don't know whether most Americans understand that Uncle Bernie is a hardcore communist, but certainly when you promote a wealth tax where the government would come into your home and seize private property under the guise of taxation, you're a communist. That's what communism is. So if the Democratic Party putting their future in the hands of those four people, then it's done.
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Buck Sexton
I don't know if you saw this LeBron James, since you were going to be with Stephen A. Smith and you just did his podcast, LeBron James just went on ESPN and really kind of took a two by four to Stephen A. Smith. I don't, I don't know if you saw this, but he mocked him over the way that he has. You know, they had a confrontation of sorts on the court and he mocked him over the way that he has covered it. You have seen Stephen A. Smith be engaging more and more in politics. Do you buy the idea that he might ever do anything in terms of actually running for office? You're doing this tour with him now. I'm sure you'll talk about the LeBron feud a little bit. But what is his end game here? He's now got $100 million contract from ESPN. He's going to theoretically have more money than he could theoretically spend. I say theoretically because there's lot of people out there who have made $100 million crazily and end up going bankrupt somehow. So. So that's still out there. But what do you think the next move for Stephen A. Is?
- [44:54]
Bill O'Reilly
Well, I don't think he's gonna run for politics anytime soon. He's in his 50s. When he gets in his 60s, he probably have enough of calling Cleveland Cavalier games and maybe he'll segue. And he's a very smart guy. I think he's honest. I've seen nothing to the contrary. I'm going to take his measure on Sunday. You know, Cuomo and Smith, they better be on their game. They're coming up against me. The dean of American journalism, self appointed, of course. But anyway, LeBron James, when he was yelling at Stephen A. Smith initially was doing so as a father. And I understand that because Smith mocked his son, Bronny James, who might not be ready for prime time yet, is on the Lakers. It is a Nepo situation. But I understand that by yelling at Smith on the sideline that LeBron James pulled his groin and was out for two weeks. So maybe, maybe that's something. But, you know, these kinds of feuds, a lot of them are artificial and they help the feuders.
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Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Bill O'Reilly
LeBron James is an attention junkie, loves it. And I think Stephen A. Likes the attention as well.
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Clay Travis
Bill, do you still have some tickets to sell for this live event? Where do folks go to get them?
- [46:19]
Bill O'Reilly
You know, it's, it's a really nice crowd, but we just released 15 VIP tickets where after the show you get to meet me and Cuomo and Smith. Now, why anyone would want to do that, I don't know. But they sold out fast and first, so we scrounged up 15 more and then we, you know, Westbury, I don't know if you guys have been there. It's really a good theater. It's not a bad seat in a place. It's got a big audio visual. And I already have the topics that we're going to talk about with the Q and A from the audience. It's going to be a lot of fun and, but they're going to be serious things that we mention as well. So if you, anybody wants a good afternoon, Sunday afternoon, go to billow reilly.com and link you right over Ticketmaster, Westbury Music Fair, all of that. And I appreciate you guys mentioning. It's very kind of you to do it.
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Buck Sexton
Keep up the good work.
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Bill O'Reilly
Am I what?
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Clay Travis
Sorry. That's what happens. You got two guys doing this sometimes. He said, keep up the good work. And I said, we appreciate you coming on, Uncle Bill. Always welcome here. We'll talk to you soon.
- [47:26]
Bill O'Reilly
I appreciate you having me, guys.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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Ritual
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Clay Travis
And on our podcast Risky Business, we.
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Ritual
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Clay Travis
And we talk about betting. From betting on elections to betting on your favorite basketball team, we've learned a lot about taking risks through our own research and sometimes even our own bets. And we share what we've learned with you.
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Ritual
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
I bet almost the entirety of the.
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Clay Travis
20, 22, 23 NBA season, all the regular season and about half the playoffs. And I learned that, I mean, it's probably what I should have expected. I learned that it's pretty hard. I went on a huge heater at the start of the NBA season where it was up like 70,000 bucks. I'm like, man, I'm really good at the sports betting stuff. But then, but then things change. Now that Marge Madness is upon us.
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Buck Sexton
We're talking bracket strategies and a whole lot more.
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Ritual
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Clay Travis
Wherever you get your podcasts. All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck the signal. Firestorm is dying out. That's the good news. I think it's dying down. We've seen it all now and. Or I think we've seen it all and people are going to move on to other stuff here soon. But government's still talking about at the very top level. So we'll bring you the latest on it. And just moments ago, Pete Hegseth here. Secretary of Defense Hegseth. Kind of amazing. Whenever I say that, I'm just like, wow. Secretary of Defense Hegseth. I remember, dude, we were on the Blaze together. Actually, can I tell you a quick story about Secretary of Defense? Yes, he is, he is a, he's a brave fellow and not just for the, serving his country in the war zone. Reason we had a, I think it was a sponsor who came in at one point and it was a, it was a water filtration system. But, you know, something you could carry with you for like camping or something, right? It was a little water filtration device. And Pete. And again, this is, this was, people knew we talked about this on the show. This isn't like some, you know, behind the scenes big thing. But Pete was like, I really want to try this out. And we're like, yeah, okay. Like, go put, you know, go do some tap water or something. He went out to the curb in New York City where there was a puddle.
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Buck Sexton
Oh, God.
- [52:51]
Clay Travis
And he poured the puddle water into the filtration system and drank it to.
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Buck Sexton
Test whether or not it worked.
- [52:59]
Clay Travis
And he was fine.
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Buck Sexton
I hope it worked. I mean, that's, that's trust your, that's trusting your product.
- [53:04]
Clay Travis
They offer. They. He. He was like. It was. It was actually him and Will. Kate, if you ask Will Kane, he was there. He'll remember this, too. You know, Will and him are good friends. And I don't know. I don't know if Will. I should. I should ask. I don't know if Will drank it. I don't remember, but I remember. What do you think when they were like, buck, will you try it? It's like, absolutely not, sir. Do you think I'm a barbarian? But Pete was. He was drinking that water, no problem. And I remember I was just like my. And he was fine. So the system worked. But, man, I was not going to be the guinea pig for. For that one. So anyway. And now. Now he's Secretary of Defense. All right. Secretary of Defense Hegseth. That was a decade ago. Secretary of Defense Hegseth. Here he is, and he's talking about the truth of the signal chat. Play it. Nobody's texting. War plans. I noticed this morning, out came something that doesn't look like war plans. And as a matter of fact, they even changed the title to Attack plans because they know it's not war plans. There's no units, no locations, no routes, no flight paths, no sources, no methods, no classified information. You know who sees war plans?
- [54:10]
Buck Sexton
I see them every single day.
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Bill O'Reilly
I looked at them this morning. I looked at attack plans this morning. You know who does attack plans and war plans?
- [54:18]
Clay Travis
Men like that admiral right there, Paparo.
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Buck Sexton
For the Indo Pacific, or Eric Kurilla.
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Clay Travis
Our general in centcom.
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Bill O'Reilly
They do attack plans and war plans.
- [54:28]
Clay Travis
And thank God we have those leaders.
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Bill O'Reilly
Who do it and do it well.
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Buck Sexton
And our enemies know it.
- [54:34]
Clay Travis
But my job, as it said, atop of that, everybody's seen it. Now.
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Bill O'Reilly
Team Update is to provide updates in.
- [54:40]
Clay Travis
Real time, general updates in real time, keep everybody informed. That's what I did. There you have it, Clay.
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Buck Sexton
That is the absolute latest. I think that this story hopefully is over again, unless there is more that has not been released from the Texas exchange that they are going to continue to milk at the Atlantic. So that is going on. There's also this buck, which is pretty funny. The NPR executive had to testify on Capitol Hill today. And I wanted to play this for you because I was watching it. This just happened earlier today during the show. The NPR exec, Catherine Mar. I think. I'm not sure how exactly you pronounce her last name, but she has a history. I remember seeing these of insanely woke of insanely woke tweets and she was confronted about them. This is about a minute and a half. This is Congressman Brandon Gill of Texas bringing up all of her old tweets about America being addicted to white supremacy. Why in the world are we giving any money at all to npr? Listen to what this sounded like. Do you believe that America is addicted to white supremacy?
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Clay Travis
I believe that. I tweeted that and I. As I've said earlier, I believe much of my thinking has evolved over the last half decade.
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Buck Sexton
Do you think the white people should pay reparations?
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Clay Travis
I have never said that, sir.
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Buck Sexton
Yes, you did. You said it in January of 2020. You tweeted.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
The North. Yes. All of us. Yes. America.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
Our original collective sin and unpaid debt. Yes. Reparations. Yes. On this day.
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Ritual
I don't believe that was a reference.
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Clay Travis
To fiscal reparations, sir.
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Buck Sexton
What kind of reparations was it a reference to?
- [56:26]
Clay Travis
I think it was just a reference to the idea that we all owe much to the people who came before us.
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Buck Sexton
How much reparations have you personally paid, sir?
- [56:34]
Clay Travis
I. I don't believe that I've ever paid reparations.
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Buck Sexton
Do you believe that looting is morally wrong?
- [56:40]
Ritual
I believe that looting is illegal and.
- [56:42]
Clay Travis
I refer to it as counterproductive. I think it should be prosecuted.
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Buck Sexton
Do you believe it's morally wrong, though?
- [56:46]
Clay Travis
Of course.
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Buck Sexton
Of course.
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Clay Travis
Then why did you refer to it as counterproductive?
- [56:51]
Buck Sexton
Very different. Very different way to describe it.
- [56:53]
Clay Travis
It is both morally wrong and counterproductive as well as being tweeted.
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Buck Sexton
It's hard to be mad about protests in reference to the BLM protests, not prioritizing the private property of a system of oppression. You didn't condemn the looting. You said that it was counterproductive. NPR also promoted a book called In Defense of Looting. Do you think that that's an appropriate use of taxpayer dollars?
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Clay Travis
I'm unfamiliar with that book, sir, and I don't believe that was at my.
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Buck Sexton
Tweeted that you read that book. I mean, the level of lies. These people are under oath. You would think that they would be very well prepared for being questioned about what they have said in public. I just. This has to happen this time. I know people have been talking about it for a long time. Why in the world does one red cent of our tax dollars go to npr? I've never heard anybody explain to me why that makes sense. This show isn't funded by the government. It's funded by our advertisers. We are out here talking to a large audience because you respond to us. We're competing with npr. Why would the government be picking favorites and giving NPR millions and millions of dollars to help subsidize their programming that otherwise can't pay for itself? And we're not getting that same benefit. And we shouldn't. Your taxpayer dollars shouldn't be coming to Clay and Buck. We are advertisers. We've got a business. They really, it has to happen now. Because if they can't shut off the fund funding spigot for NPR now, Buck, they're never going to do it. They're just going to keep talking about it forever.
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Clay Travis
This just becomes a spoils system that continues on with more and more rapacious and greedy jockeying for access to the government spoils until it's unsustainable mathematically. And then we have a financial reset, perhaps a financial collapse. We really don't want to go there. This has happened in other places, in other countries or nations and parts of history and it gets really ugly. We don't want that. So whether anyone's willing to be serious about that now, it is a mathematical certainty that that is what we will get to. If we can take matters seriously now, we can prevent that.
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Buck Sexton
Buck here is that we were having some fun. You and, and President Trump have the exact same opinion on George Clooney. This is on this very program, July 12, 2024, the day before he was almost assassinated. You know, you and I almost had the final interview with President Trump if he had been shot on July 13th. This is Trump calling George Clooney a third rate movie actor. Listen, do you follow kind of this palace intrigue, it's really kind of wild. In the two weeks since you knocked him out in the debate, I mean, they have just spun completely out of control. And I've been reading that Barack Obama, George Clooney comes out and says, hey, you gotta drop out. Can you believe how much of a dumpster fire they are right now?
- [60:07]
Bill O'Reilly
Well, I thought George Clooney was very disloyal because whether you like Biden or not, you know, he's been nice to Clooney. I thought it was very disloyal. Backstabber, third rate movie actor. He was a television actor who never made really a good movie. And so he's sort of third rate. He goes as a movie actor. Clark Gable, he's not. And you know, but I thought it was a, I thought it was a great act of disloyalty.
- [60:35]
Clay Travis
I'm going to two things here, Clay. First of all, amazing recall from you. I did not remember this response from Trump and then the second part of this is he's, as so many other things, 100% cuts right to the heart of it. Spot on. George Clooney, one of the most overrated actors of his generation. And a joke on top of that.
- [60:56]
Buck Sexton
I love that you and Trump had the same opinion. So if I go see this Broadway play of George Clooney, you think I'm making an awful, a awful entertainment decision?
- [61:08]
Clay Travis
I don't know. Is Sydney Sweeney in it? I mean, it depends. There's many factors.
- [61:12]
Bill O'Reilly
That's a good point.
- [61:14]
Buck Sexton
The comments on the Sydney Sweeney Snow White idea are a gold mine. If you want to be just laughing, we'll read a few of those for you when we come back. We'll also Caroline Levitt had a White House press briefing, by the way. I think Trump is doing a briefing press conference at 4 Eastern. So there's no telling how that's going to go. That's a popcorn moment.
- [61:38]
Clay Travis
Caroline was handling the press. Here we have it. We have a soundbite of her doing this just as we were on the air. Let's see what kind of mood she's in today. Play it.
- [61:47]
Ritual
Does the president feel that he was.
- [61:49]
Clay Travis
Misled by his national security advisers, whoever.
- [61:51]
Buck Sexton
It was that told him there was no classified information in there now that he's seen these messages, I've now been.
- [61:56]
Clay Travis
Asked and answered this question three times by the both of you. And I've given you my answer.
- [62:00]
Buck Sexton
The president feels the same today as he did yesterday.
- [62:03]
Clay Travis
Sorry, my follow up on what you.
- [62:04]
Bill O'Reilly
Would just go ahead, Philip.
- [62:06]
Buck Sexton
I have a feeling I'm not taking your follow up. I have a follow up on something you just said, though.
- [62:09]
Clay Travis
Caroline, that's Caitlin. Regarding not taking your follow up. Philip, go ahead. I've called you. Hey, look at that. Just laughing it down.
- [62:20]
Buck Sexton
Caroline. You know, I spent a lot of time with Caroline over the weekend and Buck, you and I started having Caroline on the show and she was running for Congress in New Hampshire and at the age of 26, we, we saw talent.
- [62:30]
Clay Travis
We saw talent early. We even tried to, we honestly, we'll just say we were going to bring her into the Clay and Buck podcast now.
- [62:35]
Buck Sexton
That's right.
- [62:36]
Clay Travis
One point. And then they offered the job of being campaign spokesman for Trump. And she's like, I think I got to do that. We're like, God bless. Go do that. That's a good move.
- [62:44]
Buck Sexton
No doubt. And you know, she's got an eight month old. I feel like sometimes this just gets lost in the, in the conversation. If there were A Democrat White House press secretary performing as ably as right now. Caroline Levitt is. And she had an eight month old baby. She would be girl boss, slay queen. You would not be able to avoid positive coverage. And I was reading the other day the Washington Post just ripped Caroline to shreds for working for Trump. I mean, I do think the double standards, like think about how hard it. For those of you, Buck, you're about to be in this boat. For those of you who have had, you know, infants, babies, imagine having a baby while having one of the most challenging jobs in America. I really do think that's true. White House press secretary, where everybody is looking for every single word that you say, dissecting it, trying to rip you to shreds all the time, doing both those things so ably at the same time. And yet there's almost zero positive coverage about her compared to if she were working at a Democrat administration. She would be one of the most praised people in all of the news media. It's just the disconnect between how she's being treated is pretty crazy. And I do think it's worthy of taking note for all of you out there, Caroline's killing it, doing a great job, let me tell you. Buck, we. What was it? 38 I got right and 37 you got right in the NCAA tournament so far.
- [64:20]
Clay Travis
Record right on his heels. I'm hot on his heels, everyone.
- [64:23]
Buck Sexton
I've got a one game lead record ratings, highest rated NCAA tournament since 1992. Some are saying that's entirely because Buck Sexton has filled out a bracket and become aware that the NCAA tournament now exists. People are watching it like crazy. Tomorrow starts this Sweet 16. I have got picks for all of you. All right, here is the winner. Buck for prize picks. This is for Thursday and Friday, I believe. Cooper flag. They've got a free square for everybody. You have to do this in the first 24 hours. Cooper flag. Best player for Duke, maybe the best player in the tournament overall. He's going to score more than one half point. You have to get this in the next 24 hours. It is effectively a free square like on Bingo. You can't lose that one. Then tomorrow, sorry, Friday, Zakai Ziggler, point guard for Tennessee game against Kentucky. He's going to have more than 11 1/2 points. And then Walter Clayton Jr. Talented guard for the University of Florida alma mater of Buck's lovely wife Carrie. He is going to have more than 14 and a half points. If we are right about that, you will more than double your money again. Cooper Flag, Zakai, zigler, Walter Clayton Jr. All more. If you put in $20, you get back 52. So you were more than double your money. Get hooked up today. Prizepix.com Code Clay. You can play in Texas, you can play in Georgia. You can play in California. 40 states, 13 million people signed up. Play $5, you get 50 bucks. I just gave you that. Winner. Prizepix.com Code Clay Clay Travis and Buck Sexton telling it like it is. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [66:14]
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