Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Mar 26 2026

Summary

The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show: Daily Review – March 26, 2026

Main Theme:
In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton break down recent major news stories relating to crime and immigration, the Trump administration’s latest moves, and the ongoing impact of progressive policies on public safety. They are joined by journalist Alex Berenson and author Maureen Callahan for insights on criminal justice failures and the cultural obsession with America’s political dynasties. Woven throughout is the show’s signature blend of humor, candor, and skepticism toward mainstream narratives.

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1. Trump’s Cabinet Meeting: Media, Military Strategy, and Venezuela ([03:06]-[06:54])

• Media & Military Candor:

  • Clay and Buck poke fun at the media’s persistent—and sometimes naive—questions about Trump’s military strategy.
    • “The reporters are like, sir, are you going to launch a stealth attack on this member of the IRGC tomorrow?... Probably not going to let you know.” – Buck Sexton [03:42]
    • “But yeah, we’re going to go in at 3 o’ clock…” – Clay Travis referencing Trump’s infamous off-the-cuff style [04:29]
  • Historical context draws parallels with Reagan’s joke about the Russians and the inability of critics to parse Trump’s humor from his policy.

• Venezuela’s Oil Revival:

  • Clay shares that Venezuela’s oil production surges are partially credited to Trump’s policies, with speculation about Trump possibly getting a statue there.
  • The hosts highlight how little outrage or coverage Venezuela gets now that things have stabilized, underlining the quiet success.

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2. Crime & Immigration: Tragedies and Political Implications ([06:54]-[18:26])

• Victims of Illegal Immigrant Crime:
  • Discussion centers on the murders of 18-year-old Sheridan Gorman (Chicago, by a Venezuelan immigrant) and Richard Williams, an 83-year-old veteran (NYC, by a four-time deported Honduran immigrant).
    • “A four time previously deported Honduran illegal immigrant has been charged with murder after he allegedly shoved an 83 year old US Air Force veteran onto subway tracks…” – Clay Travis [08:32]
  • Buck is emphatic about failures in law enforcement and Democratic sanctuary policies:
    • “Not only should he never have been in this country, he came back in after being deported. Clay, four times—which is a felony.” – Buck Sexton [10:03]
    • “This is a price Democrats are willing to have other people pay so that they can have cheap labor and so they can feel like they’re not racist. That’s it. That’s where the country is.” – Buck Sexton [13:47]
  • Clay refutes common counter-arguments:
    • “The rate of illegal immigrant murder of citizens of the United States should be zero. That should not occur.” – Clay Travis [15:20]
  • Buck punctuates the segment with frustration at the continued refusal by Democrat officials to cooperate with ICE detainers or rethink sanctuary city logic, citing the heavy price paid by innocent victims.

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3. Alex Berenson on Insane Crime Policies ([22:28]-[31:41])

• Seattle Crime Case Study:

  • Alex details a Seattle case where a repeat violent offender killed an 80-year-old woman and her dog but avoided trial by being declared incompetent.
    • “He was restored to competency. So that should pave the way for the trial to begin, except he was then... moved back from the forensic hospital... and stopped taking his medicine and so became incompetent again or claimed to be incompetent again.” – Alex Berenson [24:00]
  • Berenson notes an alarming trend: truly violent or mentally unstable offenders slip through the cracks due to legal loopholes and leniency.

• Democrat Crime Policies:

  • Buck criticizes Democrats for failing to protect citizens from proven predators.
  • Clay raises the issue that while overall murder rates might be dropping, murders of "true innocents" are rising, especially those unrelated to criminal lifestyle or settings.
    • “Are people who are 100% innocent being killed at high rates? That’s a really fascinating question.” – Clay Travis [33:24]

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4. Political and Social Analysis: Policies, Populism, and Culture ([39:05]-[53:30])

• John Fetterman’s Break with the Left:

  • Discussion of Senator Fetterman’s vocal opposition to his party’s far-left stance and government shutdown strategies.
    • “Do the right thing, put the country ahead of the party.” – John Fetterman [40:56]
  • Clay and Buck reflect on the human reality of TSA workers missing multiple paychecks due to political brinkmanship, criticizing Democrats for sacrificing citizens in favor of ideological purity.

• Audience Engagement:

  • Calls and talkbacks weigh in on U.S. strategies toward Iran and potential grassroots support for unpaid federal workers.
  • Math on GoFundMe efforts highlights the systemic, not individual, scale of federal funding issues, emphasizing that workers will (eventually) be paid but still face immediate financial hardship.

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5. Maureen Callahan on the Kennedy Myth and ‘Feud: Capote vs. The Swans’ ([58:23]-[70:57])

• Pop Culture Deconstruction:
  • Maureen Callahan, journalist and author, joins to critique the popular TV dramatization of JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette’s lives.
    • “The way in which their story is being depicted in this Ryan Murphy FX Hulu melodrama isn’t true. They were both pretty awful, shallow, vain, selfish people. He was a moron. He was a true idiot.” – Maureen Callahan [60:29]
  • The hosts and Callahan expose the persistent, sanitized mythologizing of the Kennedy family and compare the phenomenon to the American obsession with British royalty.
    • “[Ted Kennedy] flings a New York Post... ‘This family means something to people.’ …This is a guy who left a campaign aide to die in three feet of water.” – Maureen Callahan [62:38]
  • Callahan also shares her provocative theory regarding JFK Jr.’s fatal plane crash:
    • “Almost smashed into a packed American Airlines commercial jetliner... wasn’t instrument rated... Everything in his life was falling apart... So that’s what I believe.” [65:25]
  • The popularity of the series is chalked up to 90s nostalgia, real-life “Cinderella story” wish fulfillment, and media mythmaking.

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6. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Open Borders & Crime:
  • “It is not a sanctuary city. It is not a safe place for Americans.” – Buck Sexton [13:47]
• On Democrats’ Refusal to Cooperate with ICE:
  • “Keep that child predator on the streets. Keep that murderer in your community. Because it makes Chuck Schumer... feel good about themselves.” – Buck Sexton [16:28]
• On the Kennedy Myth:
  • “They want to be narcotized, they want to get high on this garbage. And then there are the rest of us who are like, wait a minute. My problem, just as a storyteller, is that the real story is so much darker and more effed up and compelling.” – Maureen Callahan [63:17]
• On Cultural Nostalgia:
  • “It’s also that last moment in New York before the Internet... when the stories that the media chose to tell... was what everybody believed.” – Maureen Callahan [69:09]

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7. Structure / Timestamps of Main Segments

• Trump, Media, and Venezuela: [03:06]-[06:54]
• Illegal Immigration and Crime: [06:54]-[18:26]
• Alex Berenson on Crime Policy: [22:28]-[31:41]
• Crime, Politics, and Fetterman: [39:05]-[46:34]
• TSA Pay & Audience Calls: [46:34]-[53:30]
• Maureen Callahan – Kennedy Myth Pop Culture: [58:23]-[70:57]

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8. Tone and Style

Clay and Buck maintain their trademark mix of irreverence, pointed criticism, and populist appeal. They don’t shy away from the emotional stakes of crime or the failures they perceive in progressive policy—especially as they affect “real Americans.” Humor and cultural references are used to engage the audience, underlining the serious policy issues with a conversational style.

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Summary Takeaway:
This episode delivers a scathing critique of Democratic immigration and criminal justice policies by anchoring current tragedies in systemic failures and political incentives. High-profile guests like Alex Berenson and Maureen Callahan add depth: exposing unspoken truths behind media myths and legal dilemmas. The episode weaves policy, pop culture, tragedy, and satire together in a way that typifies the Clay and Buck brand—unfiltered, combative, and accessible.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in play Travis BUCK SEXTON SHOW all right, we got a bunch of news that came out of President Trump's Cabinet meeting. Let's dive in here and, and actually keep you updated with all of that. So let me go in here and find out. Make sure we get it in order. Here is cut 33. I do understand why people ask questions that are very specific in terms of military strategy. I also love that Trump every time is like, why in the world would I tell you any of this?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, the reporters are like, sir, are you going to launch a stealth attack on this member of the IRGC tomorrow at his house in the mountains? Like, probably not going to let you know.

[Clay Travis]

33. Here is that version of that question that was just asked in the cabinet

[Buck Sexton]

meeting, Mr. President, are you going to go in for the uranium?

[Maureen Callahan]

Like, how do you secure Iran?

[Buck Sexton]

And let's assume I was or I wasn't. Why would I ever answer a question? Can you accomplish what kind of a question am I going to go in for? The. Oh, yeah, I'm going in. We're going in tomorrow at 3 o'. Clock. How could you possibly ask a question like that and expect an answer? I don't know. I don't know. I think you're a friendly person, too. It's just such a ridiculous question.

[Clay Travis]

That is very funny. And again, I was talking about this with Laura yesterday. I think Trump very often is so funny that it sometimes works against him in the context of people take him so literally on the left and they cannot, they cannot comprehend when he's joking. But yeah, we're going to go in at 3 o'. Clock. Remember when Reagan got caught off Mike saying, we're hitting, we're hitting the Russians making a joke, and it turned into a huge story. But the specifics of this are every day he gets asked, hey, what are you trying to do? As we talked about yesterday, I think the genius of Trump in this respect has been he's caught the Iranians napping twice. He got them in June last year. They had no idea the attack was coming. He took out the Ayatollah on a Saturday when they had sent specific indications that they weren't going to do anything such that the Iranians are super nervous about negotiating with him now because he's caught him napping twice. And that's because he's put out different perspectives and it's hard to analyze what exactly he's doing. All right. This is a big story buck that we talked about yesterday and earlier this week. Things going are going so well in Venezuela that no one is even talking about Venezuela very much. I saw Doug Burgum a couple weeks ago, told him we want to get him on because he has been involved very much in the Venezuela oil situation. And he at the cabinet meeting gave an update cut 35 on just how much Venezuela's oil production is growing.

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Listen, back on Venezuela where Chris and I both had a chance to be there. I literally think they're going to put up a statute of President Trump. And I'm not being it's not a political statement. It's, I think that would be a great no because it's like they view President Trump like Simon Mueller. He's the liberator of a country and this is a country where they, you know, they love American baseball. You look on the street, they're wearing NBA jerseys and Delsey and her team

[Clay Travis]

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I both experienced, it was the first time in Venezuelan history that they had the free press allowed to come on to essentially what's there where the White House, the palatio of minaflores. And it was like it was an emotional thing for people that had been for 20 years that never had a chance to be there.

[Buck Sexton]

So it's a forget that. When are they going to do the statue?

[Clay Travis]

So that is really, really funny. 50% increase in three months they've been there and maybe Trump's going to get a statue. And then he President Trump, we talked about this and it's a good pivot to allow us to discuss the continued impact of illegal immigrant crime in this country. Trump paused the cabinet meeting to deliver a message about Sheridan Gorman. She is the Chicago area college student who was killed in cold blood by a Venezuelan illegal immigrant in Chicago. And unfortunately, we've got recent stories that continue of totally innocent people being victimized by illegal immigrants. But here is Trump in the cabinet meeting addressing Sheridan Gorman, 18 year old, murdered in cold blood.

[Buck Sexton]

It'd be great if people like the mayor of Chicago and the governor of Illinois would say, please come in and stop the crime. A beautiful young lady was killed the other day. And the father was a very good friend of Dan Scavino. And he took it very hard. Dan took it very hard. Like the father, friends, they grew up together. And it's a young lady whose life would be saved if we had. If we did what we did. As an example, in Washington D.C. which is now a safe city, all the time, people come up to me in the building, people that work here, they say, thank you so much. I know immediately what they're talking about. They're able to walk to work. They walk to work. You all walk to work. Some of you were mugged. I know you told me stories. Some of you were mugged. One person in particular was viciously mugged in the group right here. Not happening anymore. You have a safe city.

[Clay Travis]

And so, Buck, I saw this story and I just tweeted it out and a lot of people are discussing it and I think it is unfortunate. But again, this could be happening in any city in America. We could point to it. And I want to make sure that I get this right because it was from Bill Malugian said. A four time previously deported. This is from the New York Post story. A four time previously deported Honduran illegal immigrant has been charged with murder after he allegedly shoved an 83 year old US Air Force veteran onto subway tracks in New York City's Upper east side. The veteran died from his injuries. The man who pushed him onto the tracks has a lengthy rap sheet. I want to make sure I get this man's name. He's a grandfather. Richard Williams died from his injuries at the Lexington Avenue 63rd Station just before noon middle of the day on March 8th. His alleged attacker was a Honduran national. And that Honduran national had been deported four different times. And Buck, unfortunately this is. There's. There's cell phone footage of this. It's an awful situation. 83 years old, you're trying to take the subway at noon in New York City and a man who should have never been in this country takes your life.

[Buck Sexton]

Not only should he never have been in this country, he came back in after being deported. Clay four times, which, which is a felony. This is, this is again where I get very frustrated. People say, oh, our immigration system's broken. That's actually in many cases not true. Democrats break it. They refuse what is actual statute. They refuse to enforce laws. And this is a perfect example of it. You can. AI makes this all so easy. Now for, for legal stuff, I gotta tell you, AI, you can pull up statutes in a second. You can pull up any, any case law. I mean, the speed of this stuff is incredible. And you can see what I'm saying. It is, it is a federal felony to, to if you have been deported because you came in illegally to come back. And doesn't that make perfect sense, by the way? It's one thing, ok, you came, we got you, you're gone. Now you're going to do this again. This guy's done this four times and he somehow is still walking around the streets in this country. This is where everyone has to understand. During the Biden years, Clay, it became too obvious for anyone to pretend otherwise. Really that Democrats wanted an open border. And you know, we saw 10 million came in, they're pretending, oh, it's about asylum. They're not asylum seekers, they're scammers. We see. Ok, that was one revelation. Another revelation people are now having under this Trump administration. Because a lot of it is, Clay, we're talking about it more. The media can't squelch these stories the way they used to thanks to things like X, I might add, formerly Twitter and Elon Musk. This stuff gets out, all the media sees it. You know, it's no longer like Georgia man or Michigan man pushes. Oh, you mean a guy who came here from Ecuador who's been deported five times and is like a, has a long rap sheet of being like a sex criminal that's, you know, Michigan man or Georgia man, or in this case, New York City man. We're all so sick of it. But Clay, what we're seeing now is Democrats are continuing sanctuary policies, continuing to thwart immigration enforcement of exactly individuals like the guy who threw this veteran and grandfather on the subway tracks. They don't want this to stop. Just like they didn't want the border to be secure and then Trump secured it right away. Democrats are all in on. You have. It's a sanctuary for the criminals. It's a sanctuary for the predators. It is not a sanctuary city. It is not a safe place for Americans. They don't want to change that.

[Clay Travis]

15 prior charges for this illegal immigrant who killed 83 year old Richard Williams. 15 prior charges and again, noon, noon on the subway tracks. Buck, you can speak to. For people out there who don't know Manhattan, this is in theory, I believe, a pretty safe area. Upper east side like this is not an area in New York where I grew up.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, it's probably the safest single jurisdiction in all of the five boroughs or close to it, one of the safest.

[Clay Travis]

So if you think about this, noon in one of the safest areas of Manhattan, 83 year old veteran grandpa gets killed by this illegal immigrant that should have never been here. And again, it comes on the heels of what's happened in Chicago. I mean, every day you can wake up and find a story like these and it is a. You're basically just permitting this to occur.

[Buck Sexton]

But just this Clay, I just think this is so important. A rational response to an incident like this would be for the Democrat mayor, communist mayor of New York and the prosecutor, the DA District Attorney of New York, Alvin Bragg, I mean he's maybe the worst in the entire country by the way, as a prosecutor. But put that aside, the rational human response would be, you know what? We will work when there's somebody who is a violent offender, as this guy was, a repeat offender, as this guy was of previously deported, as this guy was. We will honor ICE detainers, we will work with federal law enforcement. We want to keep all of our illegals washing dishes and cleaning up and doing all that stuff that's, you know, they want to do that, but they'll at least agree with us that we shouldn't have serial predators walking around the streets who are illegals. Clay, they won't do it. They won't budge. They won't even make that exception to the policy. So what else do you have to know? They, this is the cost. 80 year old veteran grandpas getting thrown on the subway tracks in broad daylight in the nicest part of New York City and dying and their family getting that phone call and the community having that shock. This is a price Democrats are willing to have other people pay so that they can have cheap labor and they can feel like they're not racist. That's it. That's where the country is.

[Clay Travis]

And it is fairly explicit at this point. Democrats see as their base people who are not citizens of this country. And you have to ask yourself, why do they see these people as their base? Because they want to give them citizenship and believe they will be their base. I mean, that's the game plan. And so in the meantime, a lot of innocent people are being killed by illegal immigrants. And for people out there who say, well what? I wish there was a zero murder rate, unfortunately when you're killed by an American citizen, it is. You can keep them in jail, right? Because most of the times the people who commit murder have long raft sheets. So we're certainly in favor of that. But the rate of illegal immigrant murder of citizens of the United States should be zero. That should not occur. There should not be a single person. And I can't even imagine what it's like to have an, I mean, I've got an 18 year old who's going off to college in August. I can't even imagine the torment for those parents who raise their kid, send her off to college in Chicago, she's walking in a park and she just gets murdered by an illegal immigrant.

[Buck Sexton]

But I think this is so important. Obviously I totally agree with you. I would just add to this, they won't even agree. You're saying that no, there should be no illegals here, so there should be no murders of Americans by illegals. True factual statement. Lock that in. We're talking about illegals who are being arrested for other serious stuff. They are in custody. There are men and women with guns and badges who have them. They have hurt Americans already. And Democrats go, oh no, we won't help federal law enforcement send you back to your home country. Rapist. We won't help federal law enforcement send you back to where you belong. Murderer. Gang member. I mean this, like I said, we're not talking about 80 year old abuelas who have been here for 30 years, who have done nothing illegal in addition to like this. We're not even, we're miles from that conversation. I think that's just what's so frustrating is that people aren't, Everyone needs to catch up with this. They're, oh, there's an illegal alien with, you know, with a history of, of, of harming children and breaking laws and violence and doing bad stuff. Can't turn him over to ice. Clay, that would be a victory for Trump. Can't do it. Every Democrat jurisdiction of the country with a sanctuary policy, that is their answer. Can't do it. Keep that child predator on the streets. Keep that murderer in your community. Because it makes Chuck Schumer and his and his constituents feel good about themselves. It makes Democrats feel like they're better than you and they just hope that they don't actually get, you know, they don't suffer. It's not their daughter who gets murdered while she's at college. It's not their grandfather who's throwing the railroad tracks. Clay and I have absolutely no patience for this crap whatsoever. This is, is everyone listens to the show knows I get as fired up about this as anything. And every smug Democrat out there who's like, but we're a nation of immigrants. They are just swallowing propaganda and spewing lies. It's nonsense. Total nonsense.

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[Buck Sexton]

of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now we're joined by our friend Alex Berenson. Unreported Truths is his very successful substack which I would recommend you all go subscribe to where he does independent journalism, independent analysis and reporting. Alex, great to have you back on the program. The the title of your piece that we wanted to have you want to talk about from a couple days ago. The most enraging piece you will read this year.

[Clay Travis]

I would.

[Buck Sexton]

I would caveat maybe given what we're talking about today. Some of these stories among the most enraging definitely top of but but but it it definitely emphasizes something that is very real that people are starting to catch onto in larger and larger numbers and that is democrat Policies on crime are insane. I mean they're, they're putting people at risk. Terrible things keep happening that are preventable. Tell everybody this story out of Seattle, what's going on here? Cuz it ties right into our conversations about these illegals that have killed people recently.

[Alex Berenson]

Yes. So this gentleman was not an illegal. I think he's actually a Washington.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Alex Berenson]

And he, in 2024, he attacked an 80 year old woman. He was 48 at the time. He was trying to carjack her. He pulled her out of her car. Actually there were people around who tried to stop him and one of whom I think actually tried to get a bat and go after him. But the, but they weren't able to stop him. And he sort of threw the woman against the car, a nearby car and then backed into her and crushed her and killed her and then drove off in the car. And she was a dog walker, even though she was 80, she had a dog walking business and was actually going to the dog park with her own dog. And shortly thereafter people at a park in Seattle called animal control or I don't know if they called animal control or the police, but they called someone and said there's somebody harming a dog. It turned out this, this gentleman was stabbing this dog that he had taken in this car to death. He threw the dog away. This was, you know, this was not exactly the crime of the century from, from a, you know, smart criminal point of view. He left his fingerprints. The police found him, you know, less than 24 hours later. He still had the car keys with him. No one is disputing, you know, normally I'm pretty careful when I say alleged, but nobody's really disputing that he did this. So what happened then is. So this guy has a long history of crime, he's an eight time convicted felon and in fact was eligible for the three strikes program that Washington had, which would have left him in jail for the rest of his life. But ultimately in a crime about 15 years ago, pled to something that did eventually get him out. So, so what his defense team is claiming is that he's incompetent. And the situation is that you have to be able to participate meaningfully in your own defense. This, which is reasonable. Okay. If you're too insane even to, you know, know what's going on, there can't really be a trial. So the judge restore, you know, ordered that he be given, you know, psychiatric medicine to be restored to competency. And he was restored to competency. So that should pave the way for the trial to begin, except he was then discharged or moved, as you say, discharged, but moved back from the forensic hospital where he was to jail and essentially stopped taking his medicine and so became incompetent again or claimed to be incompetent again. Right. There's some question as to whether he's malingering, whether he's actually pretending to be incompetent or not. And, and you know, so I wrote about this because there was actually a second case that got a lot of attention in Seattle. A 2023 murder where a man walked up to a woman, a pregnant woman whose car was stopped and just shot her six times, killed her, walked away. Now that guy was then just last week allowed to plead not guilty by reason of insanity. And it seems pretty clear that in that case the guy actually is not competent. We can argue about whether there should be some kind of verdict of guilty but insane, where he would go to a forensic hospital and then go to jail for the rest of his life. I think that makes sense. But this case to me is even worse. It's even more upsetting and infuriating because this guy who did this, this 48 year old who killed the dog walker in 2024 has a long criminal record. He actually has another conviction for driving under the influence and killing somebody. So this idea that he's actually too mentally ill to participate in his trial, he knew exactly what he was doing when he carjacked that car. He tried, he tried to escape. Right. So you and I have talked in the past about crimes that are committed under the influence of psychosis. It might be drug induced psychosis. Those have a certain look to them, this case looks more just like a carjacking gun.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I just jump in, Alex?

[Alex Berenson]

And now the guy is manipulating his system.

[Buck Sexton]

This is important. This guy in the Seattle case you mentioned that just shot, murdered this pregnant woman, just shot her six times, killed the unborn baby. That guy is being, has been sent by a judge in Seattle to a psychiatric facility. Instead of facing 50 plus years in prison, which is what he was facing, he could, he could be released in six months. They could just let him go.

[Alex Berenson]

He could. It's super unlikely that that would happen. But you're right, he can be because he was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Now again in that. And that's why I think we should have, we should introduce into our system a guilty but insane verdict where if you are found, you know, essentially not guilty by reason of insanity, but there's no question you committed the crime. If at some point you're restored to competency, you then go to jail and you serve the crime. But that's not the system that we have. We have a system where if you were, you know, judged insane at the time of the crime, you don't bear responsibility. And that's where we are. So that's a bad case. Again, to me, this, this other case is worse because I do think that there's a good chance that this guy's malingering.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so let's, let's dive in here because we've got positive overall crime trend lines. We've got a lot of people being arrested and put in, put in jail. Let's pretend, Alex, that we said, hey, we want to have an actual war on murder, right? And it seems to some extent that that's what's happened in Washington D.C. it's gotten way safer for everybody else. Don't we basically know everybody who's going to commit a murder? In the context of, you know, it's, it's not very, very often that somebody goes from completely law abiding to murder. Right? That, that does occur very, very rarely. But almost always, if you ask cops, they would say, yeah, we know the 300 people in our city who are the most likely to commit murders. Can we just lock those guys up and actually keep them in prison when they're arrested, as they always are for other offenses?

[Alex Berenson]

So, so, I mean, can we lock them up for nothing?

[Clay Travis]

No, no, I'm saying that these people are all always arrested. Almost 100%. People who commit murder have long rap sheets before they are convicted of a murder.

[Alex Berenson]

So, so, I mean, there is, this is like a really interesting discussion and unfortunately I've got to run to a TSA checkpoint in the near future. So I can't have it with you for a long time. But so yes, crime, certainly murders are going down in the U.S. right? There's been a long trend on this yet people's perceptions of public safety and certainly in like in cities like Seattle and New York are not improving. And why that is, I think is so a lot of crime, most crime is committed by the people you're talking about. Right. And oftentimes in the 80s in particular, it was drug dealing related crime. Right. So what's happened? Well, actually there's nobody working the corners anymore. A lot of when drugs are bought, often they're bought off Snapchat, they're bought off, you know, your phone. And so like there's not actually territorial wars anymore. So that's really Helped the cops, Right? Plus they have spot shot or they have lots of good investigative techniques that they didn't used to have. So why are people more scared? Because the kind of crime that I just mentioned to you that we've been talking about, right, Walking up to somebody in the street who's a true innocent, who doesn't have any, you know, isn't out there by drugs, right. Those are the crimes that scare people. And, you know, they scare women, people who, you know, who don't expect to be a victim of violent crime and who quote, unquote, shouldn't be a victim of violent crime. And to me, that's where we've got to focus our energy. And you know, the number one way to do that is to get sort of drug addicted homeless people who are, who are having psychosis off the streets. And I favor, you know, the Trump administration has moved in this direction and I think they should continue to do this civil commitment policies that will get these folks off the streets.

[Buck Sexton]

Alex Berenson, Unreported truths. Alex, good luck at the airport, buddy. Thanks for calling in before you run.

[Alex Berenson]

Thanks, guys.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, go to it. I hope you're six hours early anyway or whatever crazy things are saying for New York City these days. Clay, can we. I just want to address this follow up on what Alex is saying. This is so important when we look at crime. People ask me about what crime was like in New York City when I was growing up there, because this is the huge turnaround case story that everyone always cites for a city. 2,200 murders in 1990, 1991, okay, 2,200 murders, huge amount of murders. Now there was a lot of decay and disorder and graffiti and bad things going on, but a huge majority of those murders were still happening in high crime areas right there. More stuff would bleed over. The city was less safe, no question.

[Clay Travis]

Bad guys shooting each other.

[Buck Sexton]

When you look at Chicago, why is it that rich Democrats who live in what isn't like Lincoln Park, a really nice area? I don't know Chicago well, is that a fancy area?

[Clay Travis]

The north side of Chicago is very nice.

[Buck Sexton]

Wherever the, wherever the fancy rich people in Chicago live, why aren't they all voting Republican? Because all the shootings are happening in the south and the west side for the most part. But what you see because of Democrats refusal to deal with these essentially drug addicted and or severely psychiatric unstable repeat criminals is people being stabbed in broad daylight with their dog in a park in a nice area. Someone on, on 63rd street subway in New York City. A man being thrown on the subway tracks by a career criminal, a felon, in that case an illegal alien too. Those hit people differently. This isn't about drug dealers shooting drug dealers in, you know, inner city.

[Clay Travis]

That doesn't even those, those murders don't make news. Right. Still to this day, to your point, I think that's important. I think what Alex is saying too, and what would be interesting is while we may be at a low in murders overall, are people who are 100% innocent being killed at high rates? That, that's a really fascinating question to go into. Right. Because if you're engaging in criminal behavior, I still hope you don't get killed. But if criminals are shooting at each other, to Buck's point, when there are 2200 murders going on and most of the people getting killed are those individuals, it is different. And it does hit people differently than an 83 year old veteran. Like what just happened in Manhattan, Richard Williams or this young 18 year old college girl who just goes to a park and gets murdered while she's there by an illegal immigrant. Both of these people killed by illegal immigrants. I also come back to Buck and this is where I think you really have to push back aggressively because they'll say, well, I don't know why you're focusing on immigrant crime again. My answer is because it should be zero. I wish we had a zero crime rate for American citizens. But when you come here illegally, you should have never been allowed in this country. You should have never been permitted to commit a crime. You and we should have Sheridan, Gorman and there are a ton of Sherigon, Gorman's, Lake and Riley's everywhere. Young innocent college girls should still be alive.

[Buck Sexton]

Let's, let's, let's just kind of take this to an analogy for a second, Clay. If I was walking through my neighborhood, you know, I walk Ginger around all the time. She's the sweetest little dog. And. But if I saw if somebody's 80 pound pit bull was aggressive and attacked, let's say attacked someone else's dog, and I knew that this dog was a danger. I knew this dog was dangerous to people. No owner, no leash, no harness, nothing. Ok, but I'll, let's just say, and obviously I know this would be a difficult thing to do, I take this pit bull off of another dog and it's attacking and I go, you know what, I don't want people to think poorly of pit bulls. So I'm going to take this dog instead of taking it to animal control or instead of making sure. That it is contained. I'm going to release it in the nearest dog park and just see if it, you know, rips apart someone's toy poodle. Yeah, everybody would rightly think that I was being a monster. Law enforcement in sanctuary cities is doing that every day with these criminals. Yeah, every single day. And then they, and then, and they go, oh my gosh, the pit bull just ripped apart a little poodle. Yeah, it's ripped apart five other little poodles. And you keep letting it loose in the park because you don't want to be mean to pit bulls. Sorry. To the pit bull owners, by the way. I know you're gonna get. I'm just, you know, see, Pitbull is the pit bull.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, pit bull is the most violent dog. But no, I mean, look, if you have a violent. But the way that I would put it is if you have a violent predator that you know is a violent predator.

[Buck Sexton]

We'll make it a present. Canario Clay. We'll get with something that's not going to upset everybody. Those are huge, very strong dogs. Okay. A present Canar. But you see the analogy. It's the same analogy.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, no, it's, it's 100% right. And again it comes back to the question I was asking Alex, which is, and you know this from your time working with the NYPD jointly, we know who is going to commit murders. At this point. It is very, very rare that someone has a completely clean criminal background and just kills a completely innocent person. Does it happen every now and then? Yes. So rarely. The murder rate would be basically non existent if we just kept violent people off the street. Every.

[Buck Sexton]

And this is where unfortunately, libertarians, you have been a scourge on this issue. I'm just going to say it out loud. The libertarian industrial complex with their strikes laws. People are going to prison forever for stealing a pair of socks. No, we actually need three strikes laws. We just need them to be for serious felonies. Okay. No one's saying you go to prison forever for jaywalking, but you do three class A or you know, class one felonies. Three. Every state that thinks that it's serious about. Some of you, by the way, are like, that's even too. But let's start there.

[Alex Berenson]

Three.

[Buck Sexton]

Three serious felonies. You go away for 23 serious felonies, you go. You know, not a lot of people are worried about what happens to people, you know, when they come out in their 50s and 60s. OK, why not have that, why not have that law, you know, there's really the criminal justice conversation is one. Democrats have nothing. They have nothing to add to this other than just letting people continue to suffer and be harmed. All right, as homeowners, we quickly learn the difference between what needs repair versus Replacement. Get ahead of it with a Free Roof Inspection Erie home is a 50 year old company specializing in making sure the roof on your house is in excellent shape. ErieHome has been looking after repairing and replacing roofs for 50 years now. They start by inspecting your roof for any problems free of charge using a 25 point inspection they've developed over their many years in business. If your roof needs replacement, Erie Home delivers all kinds of options, including the use of newer metal materials that are made to mimic the look of the roof you likely have now. Your new roof from Erie Home comes with a 50 year transferable warranty, so if you sell your home, you're providing even more value in that sales process. Schedule your free inspection@erie home.com Buck today and get up to $1200 off any installation work that needs to be done. That's erihome.com Buck offer of twelve hundred dollars off is valid for new roof installations only. Valid on new roofing installation only. Minimum purchase required and restrictions apply. C Rep for warranty details and promotional details.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Alex Berenson]

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[Clay Travis]

let's go into the guy that I never would have believed would become the most sane Democrat in the country, but he is John Fetterman and this is pretty awful. This was a pro Iran and Hamas protest that happened in Philadelphia, and I want you to listen to what was being chanted. This is cut 32. This happened in Philadelphia.

[Buck Sexton]

Until we have done everything in our power to bring the United States to its knees, let us not lose sight of the enemy. For every US Military base that crumbles and for every US Soldier who returns home in a casket, we cheer. Hamas, Hezbollah, Alsar Allah, all of the resistant forces we celebrate. These popular voices on the ground spend every waking moment in direct confrontation with Zionism, and they rely on a strong Iranian state to maintain their fighting capacity.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, she said. I think that's a woman, although I've been wrong before. For every US Soldier who comes back in a casket, we cheer. If you had difficulty hearing what was being said, again, that's in Philadelphia. That was a rally that they were having in support of Iran. And John Fetterman has been going off on the Democrat party and I wanted to just play a couple of these different cuts. Here he is saying Democrat parties being held hostage by the far left flank from putting the country first and reopening dhs, which would allow the TSA agents to get paid. Buck, they're about to have their third different missed paycheck. So that's six weeks of not being paid for the TSA agents. Cut 22 here, do the right thing,

[Buck Sexton]

put the country ahead of the party. Now there's a huge rally, you know that another no kings kinds of protest. So now it's, it's also probably motivating some people in my party that not they might be afraid to, to reopen now because they are demanding these kinds of extremes in what they think is a solution that there was ever going to be a solution.

[Clay Travis]

Okay. And then here he is saying shutting down the Government, always wrong. TSA agents are struggling. Cut 23.

[Buck Sexton]

It's always wrong. Regardless, whatever the party's doing it shutting down our government. You can see the kinds of chaos that's created across our right now. They're selling their blood. They have to take, you know, pay loans and just this kinds of chaos. So it's fundamentally wrong and that's why I refuse to be a part of it.

[Clay Travis]

Buck, what percentage of this audience, and you and I have been in this camp before, what percentage of this audience do you think could go a month and a half without being paid at their current job and be perfectly fine with that? Because I do think it's important to contextualize what's going on here. We're talking about now six weeks, that's three different pay periods without getting any dollars at all from the job that you've been going and working at for, for six weeks now. I, I would bet. What do you think? 65% of people, of those of you that are still working, I know some people are retired, some people don't have full time jobs. But of those that are working full time, listening to us today, I would bet 65%, 60% of people out there would be in significant financial constraints if they didn't get paid for six weeks.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, that, that mirrors what the stats are nationwide and that's exactly what I would assume is true for further because you know, we have all 50 states represented in listenership. And so yeah, I would think it's about 30% of those with us right now, of all of you with us, could weather this storm financially pretty okay. But 70% would be running up from credit card debt, you know, asking a landlord maybe for a month of grace or something. I mean, that, that's where reality is for 70% of Americans, 65 to 70%. And it's just so cruel. You'll notice Democrats complain so much if Trump wants to do any cuts to any federal government jobs or do anything like that at all, and yet they'll turn around and throw TSA under the bus if it, if it benefits them politically without a second thought. They don't care. It's not just tsa, by the way. It's also, it's DHS more broadly. As we know, Coast Guard and others are also affected by this. So I think it's, dare I say it is, it is disgraceful. It is deplorable.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. And that, by the way, Elon Musk offered to pay the TSA agents and there was a decision made that it was probably not legal. And rather than getting into a legal battle over whether that was permitted or not, the Trump administration decided they would say thank you, but decline his, his willingness to pay. And I just, I come back to this should just not be allowed to happen. And I'm looking right now, the headline is cnn. The amount of workers that are calling out again, it, it appears to be constantly. New York City, Houston, Atlanta, New Orleans and, and, and those cities by Atlanta, if I didn't say it, overwhelmingly dealing with the biggest issues here. But I, I just think this should be eliminated once and for all. I, I, I don't think you should be able to go to work and not be paid. And I understand some of you say, well, they're going to get paid eventually. Okay. But again, I come back to how many of you could go six weeks at your jobs not being paid at all, knowing that it might be months before you got paid for the time that you're working? I, I just, this is not what they signed up for. And unfortunately we're losing hundreds of employees and, and it's a total mess. And again, I think the important thing to keep in mind here is Democrats have decided this is a price worth paying because they want to keep as many people as they can from getting deported who are in this country illegally. They're making citizens suffer for their attempt to protect non citizens.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. And they're also going after, I mean, when TSA is affected by this, I know it's DHS more broadly, but TSA has nothing to do with what their objections are. So this is Democrats pulling the fire alarm. So to Speak. This is lying in the street so the cars can't get by. I mean, it's obstruction. What they're doing is just pure obstruction of government administration. And they're doing it under cover of caring so much about what happened in Minneapolis. How many Democrat members of Congress could even name both of the people who were killed in their altercations with ICE in Minneapolis at this point? I think they can name one. I doubt most of them could even name both of them right now. They don't care is the point. They don't actually care about any of this. They just want power and they're willing to make people miserable and they're willing to make Americans suffer and slow down your travel and cause all kinds of disruptions to commerce, to businesses because they're not getting their way and because they don't have anything else to go on here with Trump.

[Clay Travis]

They.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Are they hoping that something terrible happens in the Iran war so that they can then use that? Sure. But hasn't happened yet. So, Clay, this is the best they've got.

[Clay Travis]

This is a. We mentioned this before. We were going to have our guest on, I think and I wanted to come back to it. This is from Cash Patel and I. We mentioned this. This news just came out about. About an hour ago now, 45 minutes or so and IED was placed at MacDill Air Force Base, home to CENTCOM and U.S. special Operations Command. A brother and a sister have now been indicted. One is in custody for accessory and evidence tampering and the primary suspect is charged with explosives offensives is currently in China. The FBI, working with our partners, will continue pursuing all these responsible and ensure they're brought to justice. They say this is tied to the Iran war. The device was planted there. So the reason why I bring it up is again, we had the situation buck in Detroit, north of Detroit. We had the situation at Old Dominion University. These are terror attacks, by the way, by situations Austin and the attempted terror attack in New York City. And now we have this situation that is coming out that was attempted in Florida. And again, I mean, FBI Tampa accused of hiding and. And attempting to set off an ied. And we'll see what exactly happens for this. But on March 16, FBI Tampa announced that a suspicious package been discovered and they were then able to track down where it was and they believe it was connected to what's going on in Iran. So yet another would be attempt to create an element of terror, kill people. And the reason why I bring that up in conjunction with the TSA is You would think of all times that we would want the TSA to be as safe as possible. It would be now when we know that there have been even more aggressive attempts to. To bring terror attacks to this country than in the past. It just, to me, is indefensible.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, let's hop into some of our calls here, Clay, because we got a lot stacked up and also some of our talkbacks. We have Randy in Coco, Florida. What's going on, Randy?

[Alex Berenson]

Hi.

[Buck Sexton]

How are you doing?

[Clay Travis]

We're great.

[Buck Sexton]

Great.

[Alex Berenson]

I and my wife have a huge

[Buck Sexton]

amount of respect for you, too. We listen to you every day, if at all possible, and you have no idea how invaluable what you do for the country is.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you so much.

[Alex Berenson]

But I wanted to talk about Iran.

[Buck Sexton]

There is an aspect to the conflict there that I can't believe it's been overlooked. I spent a lot of time yelling at my radio that we need to take a page from World War II when we dropped hundreds and hundreds of small arms and tons of ammunition, explosives, first aid, communications gear to the resistance fighters of Europe. And I can't for the life of me understand why we're not doing that for the resistance in Iran. It would be a military asset that would be cost effective beyond belief. We'd be making good on a promise

[Alex Berenson]

that we made to those people to

[Buck Sexton]

watch out for them and take care of them. Any solution to the Iran conflict that does not involve the complete and total removal of the theocracy is not a victory. It is an illusion of victory and we will regret it. We will fight this war all over again within 10 years if we leave those people in power. They have got to go, just like the Nazis had to go at the

[Alex Berenson]

end of World War II.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you for the call and the historic analogy, Buck. I haven't heard anybody make this suggestion. My guess would be that right now the IRGC is still in control of the much of Iran and that if we were to drop weapons, we think those weapons would end up in the hands of our adversaries as opposed to the adversaries of the government. Would that be your sign off on what you would expect is the rationale so far for why weapons drops are not occurring?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, we don't have the networks on the ground to get the weapons to. We don't know who would be trying to get the weapons to. We were the British and the French, for example, the Allies. The Brits knew that there were people in France who did not want the Nazis there and in charge. And they Weren't that hard to find under the occupation, Vichy government and all that. I don't think we know in Iran. I mean, we're the invaders, technically. So it's a little bit more. A little bit of a sketchier situation with regard to that. Although I wish we could get some resistance going on the ground. Janine in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, wants to chat. What's up, Janine?

[Alex Berenson]

I know this is probably a long

[Maureen Callahan]

shot, but I was wondering if we

[Alex Berenson]

could compile a list of the TSA workers and set up a GoFundMe and

[Buck Sexton]

have Elon Musk or other people help

[Alex Berenson]

to donate to them, even if it's

[Maureen Callahan]

done state by state. But I'm sure that there's federal regulations that we have to work around.

[Buck Sexton]

I think the problem is, first of all, how would we. You're saying, why can't we all raise money to pay the TSA salaries? Didn't Elon offer to do it himself? Clay? And that was kind of brushed aside. First of all, how much? Yeah, that's what we're talking about.

[Clay Travis]

Well, there's 50,000 employees, six weeks. If the average employee is making $50,000 a year, the math on that would be roughly a thousand dollars a week.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, a week per 6,000 times 50,000. Who wants to do that math? We're looking at 300 million or. 3 billion or what is that?

[Clay Travis]

I think it's 300 million.

[Buck Sexton]

There we go. 300 million sounds right.

[Clay Travis]

I'm doing math on my calculator right now.

[Buck Sexton]

That was pretty good, by the way. I think McKinsey would definitely hire you. That was impressive.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, 300 million. So, yeah, with $300 million, I don't know what the biggest GoFundMe ever has been, but I would guess that's orders of magnitude larger. And again, the thing I would say is they're eventually going to get the money. So it's not as if they are being. It's. It's the fact that they're not being paid currently. And again, all of your bills, as you well know, do not stop. And so the average person out there doesn't have that luxury. And a lot of these people have kids and they're taking time off and all of those things. And so, again, I think this is a significant, significant story that is indefensible, regardless of your political posture. And if I were having to stand in line for hours at any of these airports, I would be furious. I would be absolutely furious.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

back in hour number three Thursday edition of the program encourage you as always, go subscribe to the podcast Podcast numbers are rolling. We've got a great podcast network. You guys are listening to those shows in high numbers too. And we also want you to go subscribe on the YouTube channel where you can find a bevy of different videos from the program. And starting very soon in the next few months, months, we will have all three hours of the show on video every single day. So there are going to be a lot of different angles there for you guys to be able to continue to consume this show. And we're excited to be as many different places as we can be. Also, probably should remind we're on satellite radio first two hours of the show right now. Third hour is being added soon and a lot of people out there are weighing in on a variety of different topics and we'll have some fun with that during the course of the final hour of today's show. But we are joined now by Maureen Callahan, journalist, New York Times best selling author, host of the Nerve. And okay, Buck tells me that you have a strong take on this. I don't want to throw them under the bus, but sources tell me that Kerry Sexton and Laura Travis, both independently have been watching this John F. Kennedy Jr. And Carolyn Bessette show. Every time I walk through my bedroom, it has been playing over the past few days. It makes me think that women everywhere are watching this show. The parts that I have seen are trash. Why are they watching? Am I wrong?

[Maureen Callahan]

That's for me, I take it.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, okay. Well, listen, I don't know that it's. I would love to know the demographics of who is watching, the breakdown between men and women, the ages. It is hitting a 90s nostalgia marrow like nothing else.

[Clay Travis]

It is. By the way, Maureen, it is white women between the ages of 20 and 50 that are 95%, I'm convinced, of the viewership of this show. This is my take on who's watching.

[Maureen Callahan]

Interesting. Interesting. Well, listen, I'm something of a Kennedy historian. I wrote the book Ask not about the Real story of the way that the Kennedy men have treated their women. You know, it's upsetting to me actually, because I was talking to a friend of mine over the weekend, very smart, very sophisticated, lifelong New Yorker, grew up with JFK Jr. In our faces, said, oh, you mean it's not true? Like the way in which their story is being depicted in this Ryan Murphy FX Hulu melodrama isn't true. And I'm like, none of it's true. They were both pretty awful, shallow, vain, selfish people. He was a moron. He was A true idiot. And he. I believe I theorize it with a lot of legitimacy in the book. And I've done so on the nerve, because we're recapping it every week. I think that was a murder suicide. I really did. Wow.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, well, hold on, Marie. First of all, before we get. That's a big thing. We can address that in a second. I want to hear your details.

[Maureen Callahan]

I knew you would love that theory.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, you think I love that theory? All the stuff you said before that inject it right into my veins, Maureen. Every time I walk in and my wife is watching this show, by the way, my wife, who is totally like, as right wing as I am, she knows all this stuff, but she's still watching the show. So she's very, very aware of the truth of the Kennedys. But she laughs at me because I can't walk in without going, the Kennedys are trash. They're the worst people ever. Camelot's all a myth, a lie. It is amazing, the brand creation. I mean, can you speak to this a little bit? This. Whether it's Camelot or it's. Or it's, you know, JFK Jr. All this stuff. Teddy Kennedy. These people have a long history, the whole dynasty of Kennedys, of being abject trust fund scumbags who do really bad things, particularly to women. But the media keeps propping them up, keeps pretending like they're the good guys.

[Maureen Callahan]

Okay, I'm gonna to your point right there, Buck. I'm gonna tell you my favorite scene thus far of the entire series. I don't know if you happen to, quote, unquote, walk by while your wife is watching it.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, I have. This has happened to me seven times. I've walked by and my wife has been watching this show.

[Maureen Callahan]

It's like a drive by. It's such an accident. I know you guys. You know the scene where Donald Logue as Ted Kennedy is ripping JFK Jr. A new one for fighting with Carolyn publicly in the park. And they were like, physical. They were like going at it. And Ted Kennedy flings a New York Post on the table across to JFK junior And goes, this family means something to people. Right? And that scene is done straight face. And it's like, this is a guy who left a campaign age.

[Clay Travis]

I didn't know that this scene existed, but yes, continue.

[Maureen Callahan]

It's legit. In three feet of water. This is a guy who would sexually assault waitresses in D.C. restaurants as recently as the 90s. He did it in front of the late Michael Kelly, who was doing A profile for him in GQ magazine. And this assault ran in GQ magazine. And this series is treating this family like it's our version of the crown. And you know, people, there's. There are people who want this sort of. They want to be narcotized, they want to get high on this garbage. And then there are the rest of us who are like, wait a minute. My problem, just as a storyteller, is that the real story is so much darker and more effed up and compelling. And these people are such messes. Ryan Murphy easily could have gotten three seasons out of this. Easily. But they went with the. They went with the fairy tale version, and it's ending this week.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, so now we're talking to Maureen Callahan. The nerve is. Is your. Is your podcast right? So you're doing phenomenal stuff. And I guess my wife is a fan, so I actually come across my

[Maureen Callahan]

wife just walk by when she's listening. Like, you don't listen. I just want you to know.

[Buck Sexton]

By the way, I'm gonna admit this. You've corned me. When I walk by, do I end up watching the rest of the JFK junior Episode? Yes, I do. But it's an accident when it starts.

[Clay Travis]

But okay, I'm going to be honest. I have not sat down and watched any of it. But she's obsessed with it. And I told her this was a trash show.

[Buck Sexton]

But what I was going to say was that I come across my wife listening to your podcast sometimes and I hear you speaking truth about Kennedys and I'm just, oh, my gosh. It's like the. The Jon Hamm meme where he's dancing in the club that everyone sees online. Now I'm just like, oh, tell more truth about the Kennedys. They're the worst people ever. I don't even like Caroline was like, ambassador. These people are all just so vain and so worthless. And the Democrat media props him up so much. Your though, your statement. I have to bring myself back into this. You think that the plane crash with JFK Jr. You know, his. His girlfriend and her sister. Just walk us through the evidence on this because you made quite a claim.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, yes, of course. So I studied the NTSB report, the formal investigation and. And findings into that crash like a talmudic scholar. Okay, so here is something that the mainstream media has never reported and still will not, even though I put it in Ask not John F. Kennedy Jr. Before crashing that night with his wife and sister in law on the plane, almost smashed into a packed American Airlines commercial jetliner. Making its descent to jfk. They won't report that. He didn't turn his comms on. He didn't file a flight plan. He was seen on the tarmac carrying a half drunk bottle of white wine, was on pain pills for a broken bone. He had just gotten his cast off. Multiple pilots on that tarmac told him, don't go up. I'm not doing it. And I'm way more experienced than you are. His flight instructor offered to go with him. He said no. And he wasn't instrument rated. It was so hazy that night. Now why would he do that? Everything in his life was falling apart. His magazine had become a laughingstock in the media. It was failing and nobody wanted to buy it. His marriage was falling apart. His wife was going to leave him. His cousin and best friend Anthony was dying of cancer. His sister, his closest confidant, was no longer speaking to him. His business partner had cut him out of his life. JFK Jr thought it was a joke at first because nobody ever left John F. Kennedy Jr's life. He was John F. Kennedy Jr. This guy had enough. After JFK physically assaulted him in that magazine's offices. He did not have the internal resources to deal with one of those public humiliations, let alone a panoply of them. And so that's what I believe.

[Buck Sexton]

Wow. So that's bleak.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, that is. That is very, very bleak. Why do you think. And the answer may well be the crown. Bach made fun of me initially is a really well done show and I can understand why there is a strong appeal.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I just. I just. As background for you, Maureen, I just think the whole fascination with the British royal family, particularly for Americans, is absurd. I think that they're also nepotistic clowns that don't do anything of any value. But, but the crown was a really good show.

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So.

[Buck Sexton]

So there's that crown.

[Maureen Callahan]

Yes, I agree. It's a really good. There is mythologizing in the crown as well. You know, with Diana, I think it would have been far more intriguing if they had really leaned into her personality disorder. You know, she stalked one of her married lovers. Like she just prank called the house. Like, like the princess of the doctor.

[Buck Sexton]

Right, the doctor guy or. No, that's a different guy. Oh, art dealer.

[Maureen Callahan]

She did also stalk the, the heart doctor. Yeah, but the art dealer who was married. So I just, I, I think had they, you know, and Carolyn Bessette. It's the same thing with Love Story. The, the, the business partner who eventually walked out of John's life. She would Prank call him multiple times a day and into the middle of the night. And he would pick up the phone and this is what he would hear on the other end. You should get the F out of John's life. He hates you. Everybody hates you. Everybody hates you at the office. You're bringing everybody down. Why don't you leave? You're a loser. I mean, this is, you know, sixth grade girl stuff.

[Clay Travis]

Why do you think this show is so popular? Because it is. Like, I made fun of it. My wife watched it. Kerry watched it. It. It has really resonated with. I would. My guess is, like I said, I think it's. A lot of times it's women 20 to 50. Why is this show so popular? Why do you think it has connected?

[Maureen Callahan]

Yes. And I'm going to also bet that demographic has a lot of disposable income. I have several theories. Yeah. One, it's a Cinderella story, but it's a real life Cinderella story to a point. Right. The heir to Camelot quote. I put that in quotes. And a girl who came out of nowhere. He could have had anybody. So it's this real sort of wish fulfillment, romantic fantasy. It's mythologizing, which has been going on since the dawn of humanity. And it's also that last moment in New York before the Internet, you know, and it was a moment when media mattered, you know, when these people, when the stories that the media chose to tell, how they chose to tell them, that that was. That was what everybody believed. We're in a much more complicated time. And it's not an. It's no mistake that they make sure to highlight the Twin Towers in multiple skyscrapes and backdrops in that series.

[IFLAG/True Nature Meats/Public Investing Announcer]

It is.

[Clay Travis]

The book is the 90s. Tell. Tell the book. But I mean, I do think there's a huge amount of 90s nostalgia that has captured much of the people who did not live in the 90s, if that. May I see it on my own. Kids.

[Buck Sexton]

Kids. I was just plugging Maureen's book because Carrie's read it cover to cover. Ask not about the Kennedys and how they treated women and everybody. No, this is all true, by the way, Maureen, I didn't get a choice in this. Like Clay, you know, Clay and I talk. I was like, my wife, she says, you got to have Maureen Callahan on to talk about this show and the Kennedys and everything else. So she's a fan. Yeah. When. When wifey's an actual fan, I'm like, I gotta have the person on the show. So. So, yeah, I know she loved the book and, and your analysis on the stuff. And now, by the way, she's shouting from downstairs that we have to have you on the next time you have something really juicy on a celebrity takedown because you see through all the nonsense. So we're going to have you back. Okay.

[Maureen Callahan]

Thank you guys so much. It was really fun. What a pleasure.

[Buck Sexton]

The Nerve is the podcast. Go check it out, Clay.

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