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Clay Travis
Welcome, everybody. Friday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off now and we are fired up this Friday. We've got a lot going on. Give you a little bit of a roadmap. We've got the Wisconsin state Supreme Court nominee Brad Schimmel joining us in the second hour. It's a big deal up in Wisconsin because if the left wins control of the state Supreme Court there, they're going to redraw congressional maps. We're going to lose a couple of congressional seats and as you know, we've only got a three seat majority right now. So it is a big deal that we hold the line in Wisconsin. Also got to hold the line in Florida's 6th where Mike Waltz gave up his seat. We're going to have on that contender on Monday. Try to get the word out. And that really is all of you. All we can do is blast this out across the country onto our 550 wonderful affiliate stations, as one does. Clay was great. I walked out of the gym this morning and this guy without even breaking stride because I was hustling to get back to the studio and he's going by me and he just, he just puts his hand up for high five. He goes, I love clam Buck, man. Awesome. Keep going. Like he knew I was on the way. So I got a high five here in South Florida. I love it down here. Florida, you are beautiful. This is a great place. And it's all hands on deck in Florida 6 to make sure we don't give up that seat. Also got Kirk Cameron joining. We'll talk to him about entertainment, Disney wokeness going into a particularly rough period here, which is fantastic. And Steve Hilton, buddy of ours on his new book on the collapse of California. So we're stacked. We got a ton. I don't even mention this one yet though, the deep dive that Brett Baer did last night on Fox News. We'll get into this right away because you need to know what's going on. There's some very important insights, but also additional details about what the plan is here. Right. So what have they found? But also how long is Elon going to be doing this? What are the next steps for this? So let's dive into some of this. So Brett sat down last night with Elon and a bunch of the senior Doge team and they talked about a whole range of things. Let's go to cut two here. I mean, Brett asked him straight up what is the most astonishing stuff that you have found as you are looking for waste fraud and abuse in the government.
Buck Sexton
Cut to what's the most astonishing thing you found out in this process?
Elon Musk
The sheer amount of waste and fraud in the government. It is astonishing. It's mind blowing. Just we routinely encounter wastes of a billion dollars or more casually. You know, for example, like the, the simple survey that was literally 10 question survey that you could do with SurveyMonkey cost about 10,000 dol. The government was being charged almost a billion dollars for that.
Buck Sexton
For just a survey.
Elon Musk
A billion dollars for a simple online survey. Do you like the national park? And then there appeared to be no feedback loop for what would be done with that survey. So the survey would just go to nothing.
Clay Travis
So much waste.
Brad Schimmel
Clay, I, I really think that we are not giving Elon Musk enough credit for what he has decided to do here. Producer Ali was talking about it off the, off the show earlier. But you're about to have a baby. You and your wife Carrie. I've got three boys. At some point in time, and I know a lot of you think of us as whippersnappers because you're in your 60s or 70s and you're listening to us. But I know that you have been through that evolution and some of you are younger than us and you're not going to have seen this worldview yet. But at some point in time, whatever success or failure you might have in your personal life, whatever trials and tribulations you might might have personally, you start to recognize, and this is certainly going to be ironic for two guys who get to sit in front of a microphone and talk about our lives and our experiences every day. But you start to recognize that you're not the centrality of the world. People have this recognition at different points and that in some way your job, I like to think, and I think many of you have had this recognition realization is to try and make things better for the people who are younger than you that are coming along behind you. Your kids, your grandkids. I think when I, when I see Elon, and certainly when I see Trump, who doesn't need all of this at 78 years old, a time when most, frankly, 78 year olds are just kicking back and relaxing as best they can in retirement, the only reason that they're doing what they're doing is, is because they are trying to fix what they see as being broken. And here's the reality. They're not going to live to see the full fruition of the changes that they make come into reality. They're doing it because they want to set the table for the next generation in a much better place. And, and I, I couldn't stop thinking about that, Buck, as I watched the Doge interview. Credit to Brett Bayer for sitting down and doing this interview. I don't believe it's possible, Buck, if you got 95% of Americans to sit and watch that whole interview, I think it would be hard for almost everyone who watches that interview not to say thank you. You guys are doing things that are not particularly partisan in nature. You're just trying to spend all of our money, all of our taxpayer money, in the most expeditious, efficient manner possible.
Clay Travis
Imagine for a second that the treasury was on fire. I mean, it was just, it had caught fire. And all of our dollars, so to speak, as a nation, were contained in that building and someone came along and they were trying to put out the fire. Wouldn't you just say thank you for doing this? No. What Democrats do is they say, you're wasting too much water. Why are you focusing on this area? Why? All they do is complain. You know why? Because they actually don't want him to succeed. Elon got into this. This is cut seven. Clay, we've been making this point here all along, which is they never tell you what the problem is, right? They always either lie about something that's not happening or they just say in general this is unconstitutional. Unconstitutional. You want this to continue to happen? Play 7.
Elon Musk
Usually when they attack Doge, they never attack any of the specifics. So they'll say what we're doing is somehow unconstitutional or legal or whatever. We're like, well, which line of the cost savings do you disagree with? And they can't point to any. And we list them all on doge.gov and the doge handle on X and you'll see just outrageous things, one outrageous thing after another.
Clay Travis
Clay, they are exposing themselves, the Democrats, all the time, because they don't want this stuff to happen. They benefit, their friends and their ideology benefits from this waste with all these NGOs and all this nonsense that's been going on. A lot of these government contractors, it is the great self licking ice cream cone and they have completely exposed themselves here. There's, it's like, what? Remember I asked Senator Rand Paul this yesterday, is there a single Senate Democrat who actually wants to cut spending? He said no, flatly no. They want to take us over the cliff. They do not want this to stop. They do not want the fraud to stop. They do not want the debt to get under control. They're just putting us on a, on A highway to destruction.
Brad Schimmel
Yeah. And I think we should play a bunch of these cuts again. I give credit to Brett Bayer. I, I, I talked about Elon giving back to the government. He didn't need this. He's already got Tesla, he's already got SpaceX, he's already got XAI, he's already got X boring company. He's got like five different companies that he's running full time. But he says he's got about 130 days through the end of May and then their goal is to have reduced the deficit by $1 trillion. He says they're on pace to do that. Here's cut eight.
Buck Sexton
You technically are a special government employee and you're supposed to be 130 days. Are you going to continue past that or do you think that's what you're going to do or.
Elon Musk
Well, I think we will have accomplished most of the work required to reduce the deficit by a trillion dollars within that time frame.
Buck Sexton
So in that time frame, 130 days and the process is a report at some point, 100 days, not really a report.
Elon Musk
We are cutting the waste in fraud in real time. So every day that passes, our goal is to reduce the waste and fraud by $4 billion a day, every day, seven days a week. And so far we are succeeding.
Brad Schimmel
Let me also play this Buck, because you probably are getting some of this. There's a lot of fear mongering going on out there. And I understand a lot of you rely on Social Security. If you are past retirement age or over 60 and you're listening to us right now, there is a great deal of fraud. People try to take advantage of elderly citizens, as you well know, they try to take advantage of everybody. The number of times that I bet no matter how old you are, something pops up on your phone. It's a text message, it's an email, and somebody's basically on a fishing expedition to try to get your personal private information. It's hard to know what's real and what's not. They said that, that, that one of the things they've discovered is people who are Social Security recipients will get more, not less money because of Doge. And also there is just so much dishonesty out there. Let's listen to cut 5 first. This is almost half of all phone calls every day to Social Security are from people who are committing fraud, he says, trying to get information flipped so they can start to steal your Social Security cut by the two improvements that.
Kirk Cameron
We'Re trying to make to Social Security are helping People that legitimately get benefits protect them from fraud that they experience every day on a routine basis and also make the experience better. And I'll give you one example is at Social Security, one of the first things we learned is that they get phone calls every day of people trying to change direct deposit information. So when you want to change your bank account, you can call Social Security. We learned 40% of the phone calls that they get are from fraudsters.
Buck Sexton
40%, that's right.
Kirk Cameron
Almost half.
Brad Schimmel
That's staggering, Buck. And it makes sense, right, because they want to get your deposit check direct to their bank accounts and steal your money. And this is why I want to just play this again because I do think it's important. Cut three Musk says we're actually protecting Social Security. Don't listen to the fear mongering.
Buck Sexton
How do you reassure people that what you all are doing is not going to affect their benefits?
Elon Musk
No, in fact, what we're doing will help their benefits. Legitimate people, as a result of the work of Doge, will receive more Social Security, not less. I want to emphasize that as a result of the work of doge, legitimate recipients of Social Security will receive more money, not less money. All right, I want to emphasize that point and let the record show that I said this and it will be proven out to be true. Let's, let's check back on this in the future.
Brad Schimmel
I just Buck when I kept watching this, the amount of waste and fraud and just general incompetence. If you are a business owner, if you're a small business owner and you've ever had to make payroll, you've ever had to run the books to make sure that your business is working. Our government's never done it basically for generations. And there are a lot of people that profit off of an ossified, broken federal government that are lining up to try to stop the government from being more efficient.
Clay Travis
First of all, love the use of ossified there. Second of all, I think there's a lot of embarrassment and jealousy among some in the Democrat camp that this is something that they said they wanted to take on, wouldn't take on. And more and more people are seeing that it is only Republicans who are serious about this. Again, to the Rand Paul point yesterday, not a single Senate Democrat wants to cut any spending whatsoever, not a single dollar. And they've been lying about this just like they lie about border security. They've been lying about this for a long time. And now the American people, anybody who is being honest and has their eyes open can See this, I think that there is a sense among. I've started to see some saying it. You know, Ezra Klein has popped up to start to say this, and you're starting to see the beginnings of Democrats saying, hey, you know, maybe the fact that we spent $40 billion on, on creating more broadband access and we didn't create a single, a single person getting broadband, maybe that's not great.
Brad Schimmel
Did you see Jon Stewart reacting to all the hoops that you have to jump through? I mean, I just, I watched this, and it just infuriates me as someone that is spending a lot of the money that I would otherwise like to have going in and just being completely wasted.
Clay Travis
Well, what you're seeing is that the Democrats in the public mind, increasingly, with every passing day with more truth coming out, the Democrats are the party of the bad old dmv, where it's a good analogy. Accountability.
Brad Schimmel
Yeah.
Clay Travis
You're just suffering. There's waste, nobody cares. There's no accountability. Nothing changes. You can't, you know, just take it. Just sit there and take it because you have to. We all hate that. Right. I'm going to say, be honest with you. Florida dmv, not bad. They've actually made it. The DMV experience here pretty.
Brad Schimmel
Tennessee, gotten way. Tennessee's gotten way better, too.
Clay Travis
Yeah. Yeah. But I, I remember my first driver's license experience in New York City. You know, I was like 16, way back in the day. You know, in the 90s, Clay, it was like visiting a penal colony. Okay? Nobody cared. Nothing moved fast. Everything was a mess. Everything was unnecessary. You're there for like three hours. I mean, the whole thing was a nightmare. The Democrats are the party of that when it comes to the federal government. That's who they are now. And they're going to have to wear that. You know, they're going to have to deal with that for, for a long time. So we'll get into more of this and just more of the doged conversation. I mean, this is about saving the government and saving the country with it. So I think it's pretty big deal. We'll get into that and stay with us. I'm sure of at least three things right now. The first, President Trump is doing great things for the country. The second, my bracket is going to look better than Clay's come Sunday night. And third, you see that little shade? Little shade. You could save a lot of money by switching your cell phone service to Pure Talk. My cell phone carrier. If you're with Verizon at&t or T mobile, make the switch and immediately save $50 or more every month. PureTalk only charges 25 bucks a month for unlimited talk text and 5 gigs of data on America's most dependable 5G network or this data point. The average size family of four saves more than $1,000 a year when they switch to PureTalk. And with PureTalk's US customer service team, you can switch hassle free in as little as 10 minutes. You can even keep your phone and your number using your cell phone. Dial £250, say the keywords clay and Buck to make the switch and you'll save an additional 50% off your first month. Again, dial pound 250, say Clay and Buck to start saving today. Pure Talk Wireless by Americans for Americans Saving America.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in we are breaking down the key moments from the excellent interview that Brett Baer of Fox News did with Elon Musk and his Doge team last night. I watched the entire thing, actually watched back a bunch of parts of it. Again. I thought it was so important. The two biggest things that Trump is doing, tackling from the very beginning of his administration, border and illegal aliens and then spending, Doge waste, fraud, abuse, those are the two areas, practice areas, if you will, that are absolutely essential. And they have gone after this. We are so just a quick word here, Clay, I completely agree with you and we've been saying this for weeks. We need the smartest people in this country to tackle the biggest problem the country faces.
Brad Schimmel
Yeah.
Clay Travis
We can't have everybody who's a billionaire, you know, self made and some kind of a managerial or organizational genius go, you know, I just, you know, the country is going to figure it out. You know, I'll stash some money overseas, maybe I'll buy some land in New Zealand. No. Yeah, we need people who are brilliant to step up and to fix things. And now that means some degree of personal sacrifice. But and a lot of you listening like, yeah, buddy, I did, you know, three combat tours in Iraq and two in Afghanistan. Like that sacrifice. Right. I'm talking about from your perspective, obviously not from mine. But you know, that's sacrifices that a lot of you have made or you know, from your own bio. Whereas Elon taking a few months, yeah, he's got companies, he's got a lot of people working for him and all the rest of it. But you know, he's not storming the beaches of Normandy is my point. Like, this is something that he could do and is enormously helpful to the government. And I don't think it's too much. I'm very grateful to him. But I'm saying I don't think it's too much to ask others who have multi, multi generational wealth that they have accrued in this country, who can fix problems and help to do so when they can. I hope that this is a trend.
Brad Schimmel
If you have a super talent, then I would hope that at some point in time, you might be willing to share that talent on behalf of the American public. And Elon Musk has a super talent in business. Efficiency, prodigious energy. He said in one interview I saw, I think, our friend Ted Cruz, he said he sleeps six hours a night and basically works, know the other 18 hours. And right now he's committed, basically sleeping in the office of Doge seven days a week, working to try to make the government more efficient. And there's been a cost for him. He's been ripped to shreds. His company has been attacked on a level, frankly, that I've never seen a company attacked based on the choices made by a CEO in his private life.
Clay Travis
Well, I think, Clay, it's very clear that anybody who is burning a Tesla because they don't like what Elon is doing wants the country to burn. They do not have the most fundamental interests of America as a nation in their minds at all. They are spiteful. They are hateful. And the fact that the Democrats aren't far more. Hey, guys, knock that crap off. Tells you a lot about them, too. You know, there's. There's a sense of, yeah, Elon, he's a billionaire. The fact they go along with this trash Elon thing. We talked about the climate change aspect of it, too, which means they're not serious about that. They don't really care. They just like to. Virtue signal. Speaking of virtue signaling, this is a. This is something else that came up here. Some of you have disagreed with us a little bit on. And that's fine. It's only some of you, but you're allowed to disagree with us. We appreciate that. You know, I have. We have heated debates in my family. I'm sure, Clay, sometimes. What did your boys call you because you weren't good at technology is the funniest. What's the term? It's so funny.
Producer Ali
Anokh.
Brad Schimmel
They called me an unk. Like an old uncle in the house that doesn't know how to do anything. Yeah, so dad really gives me a child. Before we get into the serious talk here about Ukraine, I, I can't. I know I'm getting older. All right? It didn't used to be this complicated to turn the television on, all right. Like back in the day for me, I just, I don't know why there needs to be eight different remotes and six different inputs and like HDMI 1, 2, 4, 8, 14. Like, I just want to sit down and put the damn game on. And I, every time I sit down in front of one of the family televisions now, I don't know, it's connected to, you know, some WI fi thing, video games, like all different sorts of streaming devices. I. It feels like we're going backwards in all technology. And this is the old man of me. I think I said this on the show the other day. My wife actually is signing off a little bit, even though she's the IT guy of the family. No car is better than when it just had the blue for cold and the red for warm, right? The heater and the air conditioning.
Clay Travis
We do need to get back to, to idiot proofing a lot of our day to day lives, right? The. One of the greatest things that happened in the world of computers was you had to. We went from, because I remember this DOS systems and it was, you know, backslash, ampersand, colon, you know, TRT backslash, you know, mam. Back. You're like, what, what is this? This makes no sense. Like, I don't understand. And then it was like, oh, here's a folder. Move the thing on the screen. Like it became tactile and visual and so anybody could do it. There's a lot of that that we do need to restore. I mean, I think. And my car is way too complicated. I'm probably way too complicated.
Brad Schimmel
And it's not bad. It's one thing if the complications make things more efficient, but it's harder for me now to turn on the air conditioning and the, and the heat in my car than it was in 1983. So when I was four, I knew how to turn the heat or the air on in every car that I got into, basically. And if it wasn't the knob, do you remember it had like the, the thing that you would slide, like the slide scale or whatever. We're making things more complicated and not better. And that seems like it should be the opposite of technology.
Clay Travis
Tell your boys we might have to start a segment. Two grumpy Unks. We just sit here and just complain because I'm no better. Than you are this. I'm probably worse with technology. I have my. Gonna lie. You have the same thing with your wife. I like Carrie. When Carrie wants to drive, she's a great driver. I'm like, let her drive. When she wants to fix the tv, I'm like, hold on, tv.
Brad Schimmel
Travis is not driving anywhere. If I have the choice. Well, that is driving. That is. I want to get there.
Clay Travis
I need to see. I want to be in the car with both of you and, like, do a switch out to see really what we're dealing with. You.
Brad Schimmel
I drive aggressively as. As you and others have. Have discovered. But, yeah, I can see one.
Clay Travis
Like, if you. If you let Clay give you a ride to the airport, you're just sort of chatting, you're talking about fun stuff. You know, Clay's very entertaining fellow. And then you just see on the speedometer, like, is that 115? Is that what's going on? Because I think that's not the speed limit. Clay.
Brad Schimmel
I. I will say, in my wife's defense, she is small. She's 5, 2, 5, 3. I never really thought about this. Lots of smaller women who drive, like, SUVs because they have the kids in the car and stuff like that. Like, they can't actually see. Oh, I'm told this is true. They can't actually see over the hood very well. She can't park. Like, she can't.
Clay Travis
Like, you ever, like, put a couple of phone books on the seat for her or something? Or what do you do?
Brad Schimmel
I mean, she does. She has a couple of pillows to try to elevate her so that she can see over the front of, like, the SUV that she drives. And I'm not kidding. Like, she uses. I don't know. Do you trust. I don't really trust the cameras, you know, that tell you, like, hey, are you gonna be safe? You can back up. You know, every car now has a. Like, a super convoluted camera system. So when you pull into a parking lot and everything else, I don't really trust those things because it feels to me like they beep when you are in no danger whatsoever.
Clay Travis
They beep way too early.
Brad Schimmel
You're, like, six feet away from something, and it's like. And then there's actually someone behind you, and it doesn't do anything. Like, I feel like much of it is flawed, so I don't really trust it. She uses the system a little bit. Otherwise, buck. Like, she tries to pull into a chick fil a parking lot, she takes, like, eight spots. I mean, she Cannot see the lines to be able to correctly park. And she says it's because the car's too big and she can't see over the hood. I've never had this problem.
Clay Travis
All right, Anka, you ready to talk Ukraine war now? Okay, just making sure. So in the Brett Baer, Elon Musk interview, Elon was, was passionate on this. And I was, I was setting this up before and pointing out that, you know, some of you have been telling us you don't understand Russia's the aggressor. No, we understand Russia's the aggressor. There's nothing about that that we don't understand. We understand Russia's the bad guy. We understand that Putin is. Is a, you know, Machiavellian in the worst sense, probably. You know, he's a malignant narcissist. I mean, there's a lot of bad stuff you could say about him. He's an authoritarian, et cetera, et cetera. All true. We get that. Ok. There's no and yet we want the war to end. And the people that pretend like they have a better idea than ending the war never have an answer for what do they want to do. They wanted to keep fighting. Here's what Elon says about this mentality. He said it about specifically Senator Mark Kelly, who talks a big game. Play it.
Elon Musk
There will be a negotiated peace. And the thing that we should be concerned about is we should have empathy for the thousands of people that are dying every day in trenches for no movement in the. In the lines. So the borders remain the same. For the past two years, thousands of people have died every week for nothing. For what? And I take great, great offense at those who put the appearance of goodness over the reality of it. Those who virtue signal and say, oh, we can't give in to Russia, but have no solution to stopping thousands of kids dying every day. They just want that to continue forever. Have contempt for such people. I want to make that clear.
Buck Sexton
Yeah.
Elon Musk
So you're optimistic because they're bocce signaling. And their lack of a solution means that kids don't have a father. It means that parents lost a son for what, nothing.
Brad Schimmel
I think that's really well said, and I think it goes to the morality that's actually embedded in this argument. You and I talked about this on the show when everybody was suddenly angry at JD Vance and Donald Trump for how the meeting in the Oval Office went with Zelensky. I still have yet to see anyone argue to me that Ukraine can win this war and if they Can't. Then why are these people dying?
Clay Travis
You know, I was trying to think of good things to watch lately because we've been talking. We've been trashing Snow White, which everyone is. It's like the worst movie on IMDb ever now rated. It's getting completely destroyed. It deserves it. But, Clay, I watched Surviving Black Hawk down the last few days, which is somebody who read the Mark Bowdoin book and then saw the movie. And I've probably seen that movie 50 times, and every Special forces and every special operations guy I know says that's the most realistic war movie for that era they've ever seen. Really interesting context from the Surviving Black Hawk Down. Sorry, I'm going to tie this in a second. The other thing that I've seen not long ago on Netflix that I thought was really, really good was the All Quiet on the Western Front movie that they did. Have you seen that one?
Brad Schimmel
I have not. You told me that was good. And, well.
Clay Travis
Well, it is fun. And I find World War I, everyone, World War II is like the great evil of the world being defeated by, you know, America. Yes, everyone. World War II gets a tremendous amount of historical focus and with good reason. World War I is. Is fascinating and also horrific. And what you get from All Quiet on the Western Front is there are phases at which this war's over, basically, and everyone knows it, and they need to figure out what they're going to do, the people in charge. But because they're not willing to make some of the last concessions or whatever, there are some final offensives where people are, you know, cut in half by machine gun fire and. And burned to death by, you know, by flamethrowers and artillery rounds and, you know, chemical weapons and all. It's just horrific and it shouldn't happen. And it's in the final days. And there's something particularly awful about that. And so what Elon's I think referring to here is, oh, what, we're going to give Ukraine another six months to try to get a little more land here? How many tens of thousands of young men killed is that worth on both sides?
Brad Schimmel
War is always hell. But dying in a war after it's already been decided is indefensible. And whatever you think about the war in Ukraine and Russia, it's been decided Russia is going to gain territory. As I said, we're just arguing about where the line is going to be drawn at this point. How in the world can anybody justify any death or any dying that's occurring in this war at this Point in time we should have an immediate cease fire. And it seems beyond, beyond any doubt. And for people who are arguing on the other side, they're actually the immoral ones, I think at this point.
Clay Travis
Well, this is, this is what I think why Elon was so. And I agree with him. And look, Elon's done a lot for Ukraine. Ukraine has only been able to have communications and which is absolutely essential for this war, which is really a lot of it is coordinating artillery and drones. That's really what this trench warfare is. I've seen a lot of the footage of it and reading about it. And it's because of Starlink that they even had communications. So Elon has done more for the Ukrainian. Once again, it's, isn't this fascinating? They, the people who are so Slavo Ukraine and have the flags and everything, they're trashing Elon. Meanwhile, Elon's done more than all of them combined. All of them combined for the Ukrainians and he wants the war to end. And they want to say that you're selling out to Russia, you're Putin's puppet. These people are intellectually and morally unserious.
Brad Schimmel
It's totally true. By the way, we'll take some of your calls. We've got loaded guest situation here. Big battle going on in Wisconsin that could determine the fate of the House majority. We'll discuss all that and more. Plus we've got Kirk Cameron, legendary 1980s TV star in studio. I think producer Ally has gotten dressed up again because he was her crush in 1986. And Steve Hilton will join us. Good dude. Thinking about running for governor of California. We'll talk about his latest book. All that still to come in the Friday edition of the program. In the meantime, can't get to Hillsdale College. Quaint, lovely town of Hillsdale, Michigan. They figured out a way to get to you. They have dozens of online video courses on demand. Whatever you are interested in. World War I, World War II, ancient Rome, the Constitution, the Founding Fathers, Mark Twain. So many really cool different courses. These are college level courses you can watch. Great video, great audio. Maybe you're going to be on the road. I've got a kid trip that I'm taking this weekend for sports. I'm going to be listening to one of these Hillsdale College lectures. You can go online to clayandbuck4hillsdale.com no cost. Easy to get started with a course you like absolutely free. No grades, no early morning wake up. It is just learning for learning sake from a great college that wants you to have a little bit more education in your arsenal. Clay andbuck for hillsdale.com one more time. That's Clayand Buck f o r hillsdale.com.
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Brad Schimmel
Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show, our number two Friday edition of the program. We are happy to be hanging out with you. And we've been talking about, I know we just had an election in November. We got a couple of big special elections to pick congressmen in Florida's 1st and 6th congressional district that are important on Tuesday. We also have a major judicial election in the state of Wisconsin, probably the number one battleground state in all the nation right now, Wisconsin decided by 30,000 votes for president Trump. Every single Senate seat comes down to the margins. Our friend Eric Hovdi lost by a tiny pin prick. Our friend Ron Johnson won by a small margin up there. I mean, it is just an absolute battleground of all battlegrounds. And we are joined now by the latest battleground race, which is the Republican side, Judge Schimmel running for reelection, running for election to the Wisconsin Supreme Court. For people out there, Judge Schimmel, who don't understand what the stakes are all over the country, money is being spent on this race. But certainly everybody in Wisconsin needs to get out and vote because we know this is going to be close. We've got a monster audience in Wisconsin. We love all of you. We hung out with you at the rnc, have had a fabulous time. Judge Schimmel, what do they need to know about this race and its importance?
Producer Ali
Well, first off, it's great to be on with you. I am part of that major audience in Wisconsin every day. My, my lunch break, between my morning trial calendar and afternoon trial calendar, I've got you guys tuned in every day.
Brad Schimmel
So it's thank you for that.
Producer Ali
Yeah. What's at stake today? What's at stake in this race? The liberals have taken over the Wisconsin Supreme Court and they are using it as a way to take over the United States Congress right now. My opponent was on a national zoom call with billionaire liberal donors from across the country offering up if she gets on the court, she will turn two Republican congressional seats into Democrat congressional seats. And now the House minority leader, Hakeem Jeffries, just earlier this week confirmed the same thing. They're using this court to change the district maps for congressional seats to gerrymander them into seats that are better For Democrats. You know, the really interesting thing is as Hakeem Jeffries complained about these maps in Wisconsin, he said they were gerrymandered. The maps in Wisconsin for our congressional seats were drawn by Democrat Governor Tony Evers. These aren't Republican maps. But what they're learning, what they found out is that they move the maps to make them harder for Republicans. And those Republicans still won because they're, because Democrat ideas, the liberal ideas are not prevailing with Wisconsin voters. We're tired of this nonsense. Well, they got that. They got it handed back to them last November. So now they're going to work harder to make these seats even tougher by using the court to do it. That's why this got nationalized.
Clay Travis
What would also have, what would be the other implications for. Obviously the congressional issue is front and center right now. My understanding is Elon is going to be helping to campaign at this. This is truly getting national level attention right now because Wisconsin, such an important state, such a critical swing state for both congressional control in the midterms and then as we know, in the next election cycle, Wisconsin is going to be a battleground again. In addition to the congressional gerrymandering concern, what are some of the other things that will come before this court and if it were a left leaning court, could be problems to take Wisconsin in the wrong direction, whether it's just in the day to day business of it or in the next presidential election cycle.
Producer Ali
Well, this court's already been messing with voter integrity laws. They, they created a new, a new way of looking at our Wisconsin statute that permits these ballot drop boxes that can be put out. The legislature did not authorize that. This court decided they want them because it opens up opportunities for fraud. It opens up all sorts of opportunities for ballot harvesting which would be illegal in Wisconsin. But those are the things they want. They want to get rid of that. We have got major battles dealing with the relative powers between the legislative and executive branch in Wisconsin, similar to what's going on at the national level between President Trump battling out between what is his authority as the chief executive versus what some of these district courts are doing. We're seeing those same kind of battles happening in Wisconsin. They're going to go after our voter rights ID law. They're going to go after our, we call it Act 10. It's a law that you may remember back in 2011, all those huge protests at the Wisconsin Capitol, those are over Act 10. Act 10, put some limits on the, on the negotiating powers of public employee unions has nothing to do with private sector unions, just public employee unions who are effectively negotiating with themselves. We're looking. Estimates say that that's going to cost Wisconsin taxpayers what we've saved. That law has saved them over $30 billion. We're looking at that being turned right back to taxpayers if that comes down. These are the issues that are going to be in front of this court. Opponent was the lead lawyer going after Act 10 when she was in private practice. She was a lead lawyer going after our voter ID law. She called it draconian. These are all issues that are going to end up in this court. And she's out signaling, file these lawsuits and you'll get a good turnout.
Brad Schimmel
We're talking to Judge Brad Schimmel. If Trump's voters turn out, you will win. Democrats very often are better at the special elections, at these non traditional, let's call it that, voting times. What is your message to people out there who voted for Donald Trump and what Trump's agenda to be implemented? Because as you said, if they rewrite these House districts, basically what Democrats are doing is they're thinking, we'll take away the House from Republicans and that will be the roadblock to Trump's agenda. Have I gotten that right? But I think that's important for you to kind of lay out for people who may not understand the larger stakes here.
Producer Ali
Yeah, I think that's why President Trump has weighed in on this race. When we talked last Friday, before he announced his endorsement, he asked me straight up, Brad, what do you think about activist judges? And I told him, Mr. President, the whole reason I'm running is to end the reign of activist judges on our Wisconsin Supreme Court. We have to restore our courts to objectivity. Judges who will follow the law, not make the law from the bench. And that was when President Trump said, well, good then, Brad, you've got my full and complete endorsement. We have to prevent the movement that is restoring America from bypassing Wisconsin, because we've got partisan judges on our Supreme Court who are just doing everything they can to put up a roadblock to everything that conservatives try to do to make our state stronger and better and more prosperous and safer. My opponent is a horrible Madison leftist who has had a terrible record on criminal sentencing. She goes way back. She was chief legal counsel for former Democrat Governor Jim Doyle, who did a lot of damage to our state. She was leading the charge on all.
Clay Travis
That as his attorney, speaking to Brad Schimmel, Judge Simmel, who is running for this critical Wisconsin state Supreme Court seat. And this election is coming up in Just a matter of days. It is very tight right now. And it's very important for not just the future of Wisconsin as a state, but the future of the United States Congress and the control thereof for the Trump agenda. So as go with Wisconsin, perhaps, so go with the Congress is very important for all of us to understand what these, what these stakes are. And to that end. To that end, Judge Schimmel, I'm wondering what kind of money are the Democrats throwing into this and what are some of the. We know that this is one of these situations where they're going to pretend, oh, it's just all about Wisconsin from the Democrat side, but they're getting New York money, Hollywood money, all over the country. They're piling in, I'm sure. So what are the numbers like and what are you seeing?
Producer Ali
How about, how about this number four out of five donors to my opponent don't live in Wisconsin.
Clay Travis
There we go.
Brad Schimmel
That's crazy.
Producer Ali
That is shocking. Right? But another number that's great for me, I've got over 75% of the sitting sheriffs in Wisconsin are publicly endorsing me, meaning Democrat and Republican sheriffs, because they know my work as attorney general and as a former district attorney in one of our biggest counties in the state. I've got. Every single law enforcement organization in Wisconsin is publicly endorsing my campaign. That means. That means the organization's representing over 16,000 frontline law enforcement officers are publicly backing me. She's got out of state people trying to buy this Supreme Court. I've got the people who take care of public safety in our state who are backing me.
Brad Schimmel
We've got people listening all over the state of Wisconsin, but in particular wisn, our incredible affiliate in Milwaukee. We've been number one for a long time. They do phenomenal work. Judge Schimmel, do you think people out there are aware enough of what's going on with this race? Do you get the sense that the base is, in the same way they were in 2024, aware of the stakes or even with that money that's being spent a lot of it against you? Do you think that a lot of people still don't realize the stakes at play here and even the fact that this race is happening?
Producer Ali
I knew that it was going to be tough to get that message to penetrate. That April election is every bit as important as November. So I got in this race 16 months before election day to make sure I got campaigned in all 72 counties of our state. I have. I'm traveling constantly for this last 16 months going and getting face to face with voters. And I think it's worked. I've never seen conservatives this fired up about a court race. They get it. We're doing, we're doing six to eight rallies every day. And at these rallies, we're getting huge turnouts. I ask people, have you lost any of your energy from November 5th? And they all yell out, no way. Not announced. We are with you, Brad. We're fired up. And here's the great news. All we have to do, because this race has so much smaller turnout than November elections, if we turn out 60% of President Trump's voters from November 5th, I'll win this thing. And 60% is not a bad number to have to hit.
Brad Schimmel
No doubt.
Clay Travis
Anything you want, anything you want to tell anybody about the day, the voting, voting hours, the website to go to to contribute or help out or anything like that. We just, we got a huge audience, Wisconsin, particularly WISN number one there. Thank you all WISN listeners. What do people need to know to make sure we get this done and bring you over the finish line?
Producer Ali
Well, check us out at shimmel for justice.com S C H I M E L f o r justice.com and you can find out how you can help us make sure we bring home the win today is you can still go vote early today in most communities in Milwaukee, they can vote all the way through the weekend, but most communities can't afford to have clerks work all weekend. So for most of my, most of your listeners, today's the last day to vote early and then on Tuesday. And we've got to get this done. This is going to be easy. There's. The lines will be short. There will, nothing bad is going to happen. And you're going to be able to wake up on April 2nd feeling great that you were part of a movement that's going to save our state, just like they were part of a movement to save our Nation back on November 5th. We've got to do this again. And this is a turnout race. Got to get our people out. Every vote is going to count. You talked earlier about how close some of our races are. This one is going to be absolutely as tight as all those previous races. Show up and we'll get this done.
Brad Schimmel
Judge Schimmel, get it done for him. We appreciate you listening and we love all of you in Wisconsin. We're asking you one more time, keep the battle going and help keep Donald Trump able to do the job that you elected him to do as the chief Executive Judge, thank you. Have a good weekend and good luck on Tuesday.
Producer Ali
Thank you so much. Take care.
Brad Schimmel
Judge. Brad Schimmel, Wisconsin, Wisconsin natives, you did it for Donald Trump. You did it for Ron Johnson. You need to do it for Brad Schimmel. Get out and vote and make sure you do. Israeli citizens contended with a lot this week. Missile strike attempts aimed from more than one direction, more than one enemy, first responders on heightened alerts, not to mention the ongoing struggle to secure the freedom of 59 hostages still held by Hamas over 500 days after they were kidnapped. The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews has continued to support the people of Israel with life saving security essentials. Through all of this. Your gift to the nonprofit organization today will help save lives by providing bomb shelters, armored security vehicles and ambulances, firefighting equipment, flak jackets, bulletproof vests, so much more. Your donations today I saw the impact across the board of what you guys are doing to help the ifcj. Your donations today will help ensure the people of Israel are safe and secure in the days to come. Give a gift to bless Israel and her people by visiting supportifcj.org that's one word. Supportifcj.org you can also call 888-488ifcj. That's 888-488ifcj. Do it. Support ifcj.org stories of freedom, stories of.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Our friend Steve Hilton joins us now. He's a political commentator. You know him from Fox. He's an author as well. New book out this week, Califalure, Reversing the Ruin of America's Worst Run State. Hey, Steve, great to have you on the program.
H
Hi guys. Great to be with you. What fun. Can I tell you what a pleasure it is. And guess who wouldn't have me on his new podcast to talk about whether or not California is the worst run state in America. Gavin Newsom, what a shame. But it's very good to be here with you.
Clay Travis
Well, we're not surprised that Gavin Newsom wouldn't have you. Have you on given that you recognize the problems not just of California, but specifically of Gavin Newsom's leadership. But I wonder, Steve, is it just the way it's going to be there? I mean, one of the problems that we see is the willingness to suffer for ideological reasons in some of these Democrat enclaves. Definitely in the case of cities like San Francisco for example, or even New York, unfortunately is much higher than a lot of people would imagine.
H
Well, you're right. And ideological is the word. That is why we're in such a mess. You know, with the highest rate of poverty, the highest housing cost, the lowest home ownership, highest cost for gas, electricity, water, everything. It's a disaster. The worst business climate. I mean, that's the point really, which is that of course across the country we see the video of the unbelievable homeless encampments and people wandering around like zombies and the crime and toothpaste locked up in Walgreens and now the fires and people see all that. But actually the underlying problems are even worse. It's a failure on every front and people have been putting up with it and it's driven by ideology. And that's one of the things in the book I go into a lot. What is this ideology? It's not enough to just call it leftism. There's so many different components to it and we've got to understand it because it's going to spread across the country. That's what's been happening. And if you look at where the Democrats are today, that seems to be where they're gravitating, the Bernie AOC thing. That's where the energy is, that's what we've got in California. Now to your question about change. I think people are waking up. You saw even before the fires, if you look at the results last November in the presidential election, even without obviously competing in California, particularly because you're never going to get the electoral votes, Donald Trump got more votes than any Republican for a generation in California you saw 10 counties flip from blue to red, including big counties like Fresno county, the fifth biggest city. And now with the fires, I mean, I meet people all the time. In Los Angeles you have Democrats, Independents who say we can't go on like this. It is just obvious that we need a change, we need some balance. It's been this one party rule for so long. We gotta get some common sense ideas back in there.
Brad Schimmel
Appreciate you coming on, Steve. Buck and I talk about this a lot. It's not just that California has fallen apart, it's that I'm curious what your experience was growing up and what you thought about California. I just came back from San Francisco. It is a beautiful geographic jewel.
H
Yes.
Brad Schimmel
The likes of which there are not very many of anywhere in the world. La, obviously, nearly perfect climate. You go on up the coast, Seattle, Portland. It's that left leaning ideas have Destroyed some of the most beloved communities in much of the country. What did you think about California as a kid growing up far from, from California? And when did your perception start to change? Because I remember as a college kid, I had never been to California before. I remember going out, I don't know, probably 2,000 thereabouts, and just being blown away by how spectacular it was. It seems to have really fallen apart only in the last 10 or 15 years. And I know many Californians who've lived there feel the same way.
H
So I'll tell you a story about that. So. So I was totally inspired. I was in the way I put it. I was in love with California even before we moved here. We moved in 2012. I got my citizenship four years ago. So now I'm a proud American, but also a proud Californian. I love California. In fact, the story about this is back in the day when I was working for David Cameron, this is before he became Prime Minister and I was leading our policy development, our political strategy. And there was a cover story in the Spectator magazine, we all know the Spectator website here in America. It's actually a printed magazine, the oldest in the world, actually the political magazine in the uk they did a cover story on the direction that we were working on for the Conservative Party. And the, the headline on the story was California Dreaming. And the first lines go on about Steve Hilton. David Cameron's policy guru is inspired by California. And the theme of their policy work is to make the UK more like California. Like this is like 15, 20 years ago. And the question is like, is there any political advisor to any politician anywhere in the world who would want to make their country more like California today? And it shows you just how far we've fallen, how quickly with this far left ideology dominant in California. But actually the point is all the problems of California are self inflicted and we can turn it around. And actually part two of the book, the book is called Califalia, but part two of the book is called Calafuture. And that is my plan for how we actually turn things around and restore California to what it should be, which is the best of America, not the worst, which is what it is now.
Clay Travis
Now, you didn't go on Gavin Newsom's podcast, but I want you to the degree that you can be as objective as you can in telling us, is this guy going to be the leader of the Democrat Party in the next election cycle? Do you see him being able to swindle enough people in the middle that he's able to rise through the ranks and go from governor to presidential nominee. Because from what I see, he has had some right wing people on his podcast and he's not abandoning the crazy left positions, but he's at least putting on a show of I'll have a conversation. I'm not that crazy.
H
Yeah, exactly. And I think you should not underestimate him. I know him a little bit, obviously watched him closely. And that's the point about him, is that he is like Kamala Harris before, like Joe Biden, like Karen. You know, these are machine politicians, okay? And they. And they will say whatever is politically expedient. But Gavin Newsom says it better than most. And so don't underestimate him. In a way, that's why I wanted, not partly why I wanted to write the book is like, this is the record that he's presided over. It's a total failure on every front. So, yes, you can talk. I mean, a good example, the difference between talk and action. So he's on, you know, as Charlie Kirk on and agrees how unfair is deeply unfair was his phrase about biological men and girls sports. What's he doing about it? Nothing. He's the governor now. Next week in the state legislature, there are two bills up for a vote that would stop this madness. Is he going to weigh it? So far, he's avoided even talking about it. So you got to pin him down on the actions and the actions that have happened in California have been a complete disaster.
Brad Schimmel
Putting out fires seems like maybe the number one thing that people would expect the government to be capable of and expect the government to be responsible for. The fire situation in the Los Angeles area seems to have been for many people, a recognition that the policy choices they make, Karen Bass, for instance, as mayor, have consequences. Do you get the sense that that could change political voting behavior or is it so ideologically committed at this point that people would have to recognize that they made poor choices and lots of people don't want to acknowledge mistake. How do you get them to change and how did the fires potentially impact.
H
Well, that's the job of campaigning and to bring that home. I mean, I can tell you right now I'm working with Nicole Shanahan on a recall campaign for Karen Bass, because every day that she's there is a disaster. And one of the reasons that we're doing that is to. Is to show if we can, if we can pull it off, that the Democrat machine in California, that kind of Democrat industrial complex of the unions that fund the politicians and the far left activists and the bureaucrats and all that, that it can be beaten. And if we can do it there in Los Angeles for Karen Bass, I think that's a very encouraging sign that people are ready for change. Look, if we don't pull it off, I still think we need to fight. We need to make sure that people understand. I'll give you a story that's really encouraging. Huntington beach, not the biggest city in California, an iconic one, Surf City, USA. So just over four years ago, the council in Huntington beach was 6:1 Democrat. A friend of mine, Tony Strickland, put together a team of strong candidates. In 2022, they took control of the council 43 on a very strong conservative platform. They then implemented that. They had a lot of energy, just like you're seeing from President Trump right now. They cleaned up the streets. They cleaned homeless encampments. They prosecuted crime. They dealt with the nonsense in the schools and the libraries. They actually put in a ballot initiative for voter ID, which passed. Then in November, just now, in 2024, they put forward seven candidates as a slate. They called themselves the Magnificent Seven to show you where they were coming from. They had a clean sweep. They won all the seats. So in four years, that city has gone from 6:1 Democrat control to 7:0 Republican. So it shows what can be done if you actually fight. And I think that's what we need to show across California. That's why I really do believe change is possible sooner than many people think.
Clay Travis
Steve Hilton, everybody. Go check out the book Califailure, which also goes into Califuture. So it's not just the problems, it's also the fix. And Steve, best of luck to you. Please come back and tell us how it's all going and hang out with us again soon.
H
Absolutely. Thanks, guys. See you soon.
Brad Schimmel
Steve does great work, and it would be transformative for the nation if sane Republicans or just even sane independents could start to get into positions of power all over California. And I do think there's a frustration over Democrat failures in the meantime. So it's an interesting book idea. Look, my beloved University of Tennessee volunteers are about to make my boss, Julie Tabit, cry because she is a graduate of the University of Kentucky. But if you disagree with that, maybe you love a lot of the Kentucky Wildcat players, maybe you think they're going to go off and win a third time this year against the University of Tennessee. Prize Picks has an app for that. You can dive in and pick the top Kentucky players to have more than expected in all of their different performances. And maybe you're out there right now and you're a big Auburn Tiger fan or maybe you're a Michigan Wolverine like my wife. You've got all sorts of teams going on with the Sweet 16 underway. Ole Miss, we had a caller say Hottie Toddy a little bit earlier. Ole Miss Rebels playing today as well. Four great games in the Sweet 16. Two Elite Eight on Saturday, two Elite Eight on Sunday. Plus Major League Baseball is all back. You can play prize picks in California, you can play it in Texas, you can play it in Georgia if you're feeling a little bit left out. Thirteen million people, in fact, have signed up to play. They now offer MasterCard, Visa, Discover Card. Quick and easy deposits into an account you can get hooked up right now. Major League Baseball, that March Madness, the NBA, whatever. You love golf. You can get hooked up and play with prizepix. Prizepix.com code clay for fifty dollars when you play your first five dollar picks. Prizepix.com Code Clay that is prizepix.com code.
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Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show – Daily Review with Clay and Buck (March 28, 2025)
Published on March 28, 2025
In this engaging and comprehensive episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into a variety of pressing topics, ranging from government inefficiency to pivotal state elections and international conflicts. The episode combines sharp political analysis with personal anecdotes, providing listeners with a nuanced understanding of current events.
Clay Travis kicks off the Friday edition with enthusiasm, outlining the episode's key segments. He highlights the importance of the Wisconsin Supreme Court nomination, the Florida 6th District race, entertainment insights with Kirk Cameron, and a deep dive into government waste discussed in an interview with Elon Musk.
A significant portion of the episode focuses on Brett Baer's Fox News interview with Elon Musk and the Doge team, which addresses rampant government waste and fraud.
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Elon’s Strategy: Musk outlines a bold plan to reduce the deficit by $1 trillion within 130 days, targeting $4 billion in daily reductions by eliminating waste and fraud. (08:22)
Impact on Social Security: Musk reassures that legitimate Social Security beneficiaries will receive more funds, countering fears of reduced benefits. (10:49)
The hosts shift focus to the high-stakes Wisconsin Supreme Court nomination featuring candidate Brad Schimmel. This race is critical as control of the court can influence congressional district maps, potentially costing Republicans their slim majority.
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Call to Action: Schimmel urges Wisconsin voters to participate actively, emphasizing that "every vote is going to count" to secure his victory and maintain Republican influence. (42:21)
Clay and Buck engage in a passionate discussion about the ongoing Ukraine conflict, highlighting Elon Musk's stance on ending the war.
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In a lighter segment, Clay and Buck share humorous stories about the complexities of modern technology, particularly in cars and household devices.
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Steve Hilton joins the show to discuss his new book, Califailure: Reversing the Ruin of America's Worst Run State, critiquing California’s governance under Governor Gavin Newsom.
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Call to Action: Hilton encourages listeners to engage in local politics to effect change, emphasizing that success in places like Huntington Beach demonstrates the feasibility of conservative victories in traditionally liberal areas.
The episode concludes with Clay and Buck reiterating the importance of voter participation in critical races, both at state and national levels. They also promote educational resources from Hillsdale College and briefly touch on personal plans and light-hearted interactions, maintaining a balance between serious discourse and relatable content.
Notable Omitted Segments: Advertisements and promotional content for Pure Talk Wireless, Prize Picks, and the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews were excluded to maintain focus on substantive discussions.
This episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show offers a deep dive into significant political battles, both domestic and international, while interspersing personal stories that add relatability. Through incisive analysis and compelling guest contributions, Clay and Buck provide listeners with a thorough understanding of the issues shaping the current political landscape.