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Terms and conditions apply welcome in everybody to the Monday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. We have so much planned to dive into. Very exciting show lined up here. We've got the aftermath of Friday's Oval Office showdown with Trump, Vance and Zelensky. The media that is anti Trump, at least in full freakout mode over the weekend. I was in the gym this morning, Clay, and on the, on the anti Trump channels, just one former lightweight national security official after another saying that what Trump did is ruined America for the future. We'll see about that. We'll discuss though, what that means for Trump's peace efforts to end the Ukraine war. We've also got and we've asked him if he could join us to tell us more details. But the governor of Virginia, Glenn Youngkin, signed an executive order mandating that state and local law enforcement will cooperate with ice. That's right. State and local in Virginia are going to be helping with the enforcement of the law and deportations. Our friend, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. It's amazing to say that out loud. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is directing the civilian workforce of DoD to respond to the Elon Doge. What would you say you did here last week? Email or over the last week. And then we've got a just astonishing but not surprising response from the mayor of Boston to a person who went on a stabbing spree and law enforcement had to use lethal force to stop him. We will bring you all of that and more. But Clay, as I sit here in South Florida with so many Floridians basking in the incredible Florida late February, early March weather that we've had, I can't help but see that there is someone rising in the Democrat ranks right now rising up in terms of his national media profile and I think you laid out, and I would agree this is someone who thinks he will be the mayor of New York and then will run for president. That is the plan for Andrew Cuomo. But let's start with cut 2 here, this is what he says. Because I was in New York, as many of you recall, you were listening to the show back then. I was in New York during COVID I have some thoughts on this, but the would be governor and leader of the Democrat Party if he gets his way. Andrew Cuomo had this to say. On top of it all, we faced.
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Buck Sexton
Covid, which was an historic life and death challenge.
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Riley Gaines
And we had it first and worst with no warning.
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Buck Sexton
We were on our own and we were pushed to our limits, but we got through it together.
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Riley Gaines
Clay, he was absolutely horrible. I know you were following it as a Tennessee and and recognized how terrible he was, but I can tell you as a New Yorker, this is the guy who thought that shutting bars down early and requiring you as a bar or restaurant owner under the law to make people order food while they had their cocktail was going to help stop the spread of COVID He was a monstrous and idiotic dictator. And I want to make it my life's mission, to the degree that I can, to make sure he does not become president. And I don't think he should be the mayor of New York, but that one may be an order too tall for me.
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Buck Sexton
So he's going to be the mayor of New York, and it's going to happen fast. The primary, I was looking this up. The primary's in June, Buck. So all of this has been super brilliant and strategic by him. He's going to now sprint for basically a hundred days. March, April, May, and then boom, the vote's going to happen. He's going to be the Democrat mayor. And unless you think that there's going to be a Republican or an independent running as a Republican, which Eric Adams has talked about, unless you think that's going to be a viable alternative. Andrew Cuomo is going to be the mayor of New York City, and he will be elected in November of this year. And when he is elected mayor of New York City, he is going to spend about six months or nine months trying to get New York City back up and running. And then he is going to pivot and say that he is being asked to run for the to be the contra to the Republican revolution. And he's going to run. And let me hit you with something, Buck, that is crazy. And I know this frustrates you. I think that he is going to claim vindication on all of his leadership as soon as he is elected mayor of New York City. I had my challenges. I'm speaking as Cuomo, but the people of New York assessed Me, they understand that I paid a penalty based on. Remember, he said basically he's not a sexual harasser, he's just Italian. That they gave him a pass, that they allowed him to come back. And he is going to be running in Iowa and in New Hampshire and in all those early states by the beginning of 2027. This is. He doesn't want to be mayor of New York City. Let me make this clear. New York City is a stepping stone to where he wants to be. You don't go from governor of New York to back to mayor of New York City because you just desperately want to be the mayor of New York City. New York City's mayorship is a stepping stone to allow him to be back at the upper echelon of Democrat politics. And you know what's crazy? I think it's going to put him there. So prepare yourselves. Cuomo has paid no price for being one of the worst governors alongside of Gavin Newsom and Gretchen Whitmer of any state during COVID All. All of these people just pretend that that. And there were virtually no discussion about Tim Walls's failures during COVID I know all of you who live in Minnesota, Michigan, California and New York and are listening to me right now feel this. No one lost their job over screwing up Covid. There were no consequences. And he is going to just put that in the background. The fact that he sent all those people to the nursing homes. He got more punishment for touching a security guard on her like, hip and on her stomach, supposedly, than he did for thousands of people being dead in New York because of his failed leadership. Because of all the kids having to wear masks because you had to get a Covid shot. If you lived in New York to go to friggin McDonald's. None of that's going to matter, Buck. He's going to claim vindication and he's going to be running for President of the United States within a year.
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Riley Gaines
Generally, historically speaking, it has been a lot easier to use the governorship of New York to run for president. Which makes sense, right? Running a whole state. Even more. More important than even running the largest city in the country. Four former New York state governors have become president. Clay, can you give me one?
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Buck Sexton
Four former. Well, was FDR ever the president?
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Riley Gaines
That was that. That was the one that, that you.
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Buck Sexton
Thought I would clip. That was the layup there.
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Riley Gaines
There's a few other. No, but that's legit to put you on the spot. Let me see. The four former governors have become president.
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Buck Sexton
Teddy Roosevelt, was he ever the governor.
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Riley Gaines
Of New York, Grover Cleveland, Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt and Martin Van Buren. That, that's the bonus round one.
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Buck Sexton
If I pulled Martin Van Buren, I would just leave like the show for the day. I'd be like, I just pulled Martin Van Buren, former President, New York. If I had nailed all four, no that would ever be able to question me historically ever again.
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Riley Gaines
That would be the three pointer to retire on for sure. But so there have been a number of presidents who have been governor of New York and gone on to be or rather another governors who have gone on to be president. Much trickier when you look at somebody who had just the mayor, just the mayorship. Michael Bloomberg didn't happen. Rudy Giuliani didn't happen. John Lindsay back in 1972. Let me see who else Adlai Stevenson had Robert Wagner, who had been the mayor back in the, in the 50s, 60s era. In the 50s, I think Vice president. So there are a number who have done it. Here's the, here's what's different. I think Clay about this right now. I've never seen a Democrat field so wide open. And it is, it's anybody's ball game right now to seize the leadership of the Democrat Party because there is no leadership of the Democrat Party. It's, it's true on the media side, it's true on the political side. And Cuomo, this is cut three. He knows that one thing that New Yorkers are any sane New Yorker now, unfortunately, I always say about 20% of the country is, is unreachable. Right? 20% of the country, you know, trans, you know, trans in kids and, you know, pink hair and climate change is an existential threat. You can't, you can't even have a conversation with them in New York. It may be more like 40 or 50% New York City. I mean, but there are still some New Yorkers who are sane. And crime is the issue that the sane New Yorkers are just fed up on because it got so good and then they gave it away. Rather, Bill de Blasio gave it away. So here's Cuomo saying they're going to fight crime in America's biggest city. Cut three.
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Buck Sexton
We must attack the crime problem after.
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Riley Gaines
Politicians have been minimizing the need for.
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Buck Sexton
Police and cutting funding. We must acknowledge the simple truth that they are just plain wrong, deadly wrong.
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Riley Gaines
They set us back and we must.
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Buck Sexton
Now return to actually fighting crime.
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Riley Gaines
You know, the Democrats as a party have not actually embraced that, but he realizes that's his pathway on a policy level in New York Just take the. Take the, you know, the dangerous drug addicts throwing people in front of trains and stabbing people in the. In the subways. Take them out of the equation, put them in incarcerated situations, and the people of New York will love you forever. I mean, that's really. He's learning the most obvious lessons from the recent past of New York City. So I guess credit where it's due on that. If he were to become mayor, he would. I think he actually would try to clean things up. Not quite as well as Giuliani did, but make it better than what we've seen.
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Buck Sexton
All of his announcement video was not about New York City. It was about being President of the United States. I just want to impress upon all of you that the mayoral office is a total stepping stone. And even Buck, his argument there, to be fair, if he comes in and crime goes down more in New York City, if people start feeling more safer getting on the subway, he's going to argue that he cleaned up America's biggest city and he can clean up the problems of the United States, too. I'm just telling you, he is. It is all so readily apparent to me what the game plan is here, right down to not announcing till March. Buck. I mean, I actually, I got to give him credit. I think it's really smart. He's not going to give himself very much time to take punches. This primary is going to be here in June. Everybody's on spring break. Everybody's watching March Madness. You know, April and May weather starts to get good in New York. Boom, you're into June. He's not ever going to take a punch. I really don't think, Buck.
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Riley Gaines
You know, there's also a common tactic. I think it's very effective, a common strategy, really, among politicians to find their historical analog and to say that they walk in the footsteps of right or something along those lines. For Republicans, Until Trump, it was Reagan.
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Buck Sexton
Every.
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Riley Gaines
Every Republican who wanted to be president, United States from, you know, from the 1990s on until Donald Trump came along, it was just one big homage to Reagan. If you look at Democrats, things have been a little bit different. But I think that Cuomo, historically, is going to reach back to the greatness of the one and only fdr. I think that's now greatness. I put in quotes there. But I'm just saying the Italian American governor of New York who comes in with big programs to fix big problems, yes, he was a socialist, but put that aside for a second. He. He's more reasonable. An FDR Democrat, has a ring to it. That this Democrat party could rally around an Obama era Democrat I think is a bigger challenge for them because it's too hard left.
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Buck Sexton
I can't help but respect it. Not because I agree with him, but this is a Trumpian move by Andrew Cuomo to just refuse to allow his allies to end him and just keep plowing ahead no matter what. This is the angle they see to making him president. I think one reason he got taken out Buck and I said this back in the day was because I think he would have challenged Biden. I think that in 2020, 2024 in the primary season, I think the Biden team knew that Cuomo was gearing up to come after them and try to force him into a competitive primary. And I think that's one reason they unleashed the hounds. For lack of a better way to describe it on Andrew Cuomo. Like I think that was a hit ordered from the Biden team.
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Buck Sexton
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Riley Gaines
Welcome back everybody to Clay and Buck. A lot of you writing in and we obviously read those emails and we.
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Buck Sexton
Listen to those talkbacks.
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Riley Gaines
By the way, we love the talkbacks. You got to have the iHeart app to do it though. It's free. It's a great thing. On that Talkback on the iHeart app, you just go to the Clay and Buck page, you press the microphone button, you record a little message get sent right into us and, and we can listen to it and we'll play some of them on air. But we he, we hear all of them or at least we read the transcripts of all of them. So a lot of you want to know what we thought about Friday. Now that happened while we were on the air, that fiery press conference with. Well, yeah, it was a press conference. Like there was supposed to be more of a formal press conference afterwards. But that sit down in the Oval Office with zelensky, Trump and J.D. vance and Clay, I would say, I would say this first off, I went back and I had my wife's baby shower over the weekend. So I had, I had in laws and my laws, my family, whatever, you know what I mean? I had the, I had the family. My family carries family here. So I was running around doing things Friday, chauffeuring, preparing all that stuff, but baby shower went great. I went back though over the weekend and listened to the entire exchange that happened in the Oval Office, everybody and this happened with us. And I don't know, Clay, if you got it. I mean, well, you couldn't play all 45 minutes on air. I don't know if you were able to go back afterwards and listen to the whole thing when you. I assume, yeah, you did. Because when you go back and listen to the whole thing, Trump and Vance were being entirely reasonable, respectful, everything. Now, just as a little side note, because there was a. Trump said something right at the beginning about this. I think Zelensky should put on a suit when he comes to the Oval Office. I don't think that's asking too much. I don't know why that's such an issue. He's a very rich guy. I don't care if he borrows a suit from one of the Secret Service agents or something. Just put on a suit, buddy. Ok. This weird showing up like you're going to yoga class, I don't get it. Ok. I don't think we need this. I think it's a little. Now it's not. That's not. That alone is not a huge deal. But Clay, just like if you're going in for a job interview, and in a sense, Zelensky's interviewing for America to help save his country's bacon, you don't want to go into the job interview wearing flip flops and having the first person, a first thing that the person you're trying to impress see is you don't really care that much. So just. Do you want to. You want to hit on this quick?
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Buck Sexton
No, I agree with that on some level. Here's my other point. Do you want to get into an argument about major geopolitical tensions in your third language? Like a part of it? I thought when he was saying we're not talking about playing cards, it's hard to know what is metaphor, what is analogy, what is literal. A lot of people don't speak English that well and it's your first language. I can't imagine getting into an argument when my country's fate is on the line in my second or third language in front of a huge media apparatus that seems to pick a fight. And I thought to your point, he picked a fight here. He didn't show up. Leave aside the outfit, but how are you not going in, hat in hand, begging for what you have to receive in order to continue to be able to fight for your country? The entire. I thought Vance and Trump were actually willing to take a lot of condescension from him during the first 45 minutes or so of this interaction.
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Riley Gaines
Well, it's clear from. It was clear from the. Again watching the. And I if you have the time, I'd recommend watch the whole thing because the last 10 minutes, when things got heated that seems to come upon. You seem to come upon that pretty quickly. If you watch the whole sit down. They're talking about the mineral rights, they're talking about the, you know, a whole, it's 45 minutes long. It's a whole range of stuff. A lot of Q and A with some members of the press who were there. Nothing hostile. But then Zelensky decided to try to challenge Vance and Trump really initially was Vance and then Trump together on some things. And it just wasn't the time. It wasn't the time of the place for it. I think that Zelensky is somebody who has gotten used to being treated like a combination of George Washington and Bono. You know, he's some kind of global celebrity.
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Buck Sexton
He thinks he's Winston Churchill.
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Riley Gaines
Well, sure, yeah. I mean, but he thinks that he's Churchill was, was never disrespectful to FDR in public. I can, I can assure you of that, having read multiple Churchill biographies. He was never like, look buddy, you know, we call the shots here. He was like, please give us the stuff we need so that we can actually keep this fight going. So Clay, it show, it showed, I think some aspects of this that have been hidden from the public largely, which is that there is an intransigence to these Alinsky side of this, or rather to the Ukrainian regime, the democracy that doesn't have elections right now. I know they're not allowed to under their constitution or whatever, but isn't that interesting? Right? So there's, there's a huge incentive for Zelensky to continue to be pushing for exactly what he wants because he doesn't have to worry about the will of the people. During this war we held, as we talked about, the United States held election really at a peak of the Civil War. It wasn't just during the Civil War. It was win or lose time and we still held an election. And Abraham Lincoln won that reelection and.
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Buck Sexton
He ran against the former head of the Union Army, George McClellan. I mean, it's an extraordinary story, the 1864 presidential election, which again goes to the historical illiteracy, that illiteracy that exists in this country that people don't know that.
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Riley Gaines
I mean, I think that Lincoln knew that he could thank Grant and Sherman for his reelection. Without those two guys, I don't think he gets meaning their, their victories on the battlefield.
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Buck Sexton
I don't think Sherman taking Atlanta delivered the White House to Lincoln for a second term.
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Riley Gaines
Yeah, I mean, and Grant having Sherman in place and supporting him as his, you know, immediate inferior general, I think, anyway, not to get too into the Civil War part of this, but it is, it is interesting how, how that played out. But here's what happens. Zelensky came out of this and it was not good. CNN's Harry Entin, they're, they're, they're bootleg Ryan Gardusky, if you will, their numbers guy. Here he is saying that for Zelensky, the numbers in the, in the eyes of the American people, not looking good. This is cut 18.
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Buck Sexton
Obviously, if you would expect changes amongst the public on feelings towards Ukraine, feelings.
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Riley Gaines
Towards Zelensky have changed also dramatically.
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Buck Sexton
Look at this confidence. Zelensky will do the right thing when it comes to world affairs. Back in 2022, it was the clear.
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Riley Gaines
Majority, 72% through the floor, through the floor.
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Buck Sexton
By 2024, just 48% of Americans say that they're confident that Zelensky will do the right thing when it comes to world affairs. And GOP confidence has also plummeted dramatically. Now, the clear majority of Republicans are, are not confident, not confident that Zelensky will do the right thing when it comes to world affairs.
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Riley Gaines
Now, that's a big shift in a very short period of time. Clay, I think that a lot of the propaganda around both Trump's bizarre or, you know, fealty to Russia and Zelensky as this beyond reproach, heroic leader, I think there was a big shift in perception that occurred this meeting. Why is Zelensky trying to litigate the terms of a cease fire with the press there? He should. The truth is that when he's sitting there with the press there and he's talking to Trump and Vance, it should be. Thank you. Thank you so much, guys. We would, you know, and also, Zelensky got a little surly when Trump said, without us, you wouldn't, you know, you would have been able to continue. He's like, he's like, I heard the same thing from Putin. I heard the same thing from Russia. It's like, buddy, slow your roll here, ok? Without Amer, we're doing a lot of stuff without getting too deep into this that people don't even know about to help these guys. All right? We have helped Ukraine, not just with hundreds of billions and with a lot of munitions, but with training, with intelligence support. We're doing all kinds of stuff to keep them in this fight. You don't turn around and bite the hand that feeds you here the way that he did. But I just think that he's a little bit delusional, and I think he's in a bad spot and doesn't want to admit it.
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Buck Sexton
Here's a provocative question for you, Buck, and I'll answer it beforehand so I get blown up by this. When they clip it. Who do you trust more, Vladimir Putin or the media that covered alleged Russia collusion in 2016, 2017, 2018? I'll give you my answer. I trust Putin more. I think that Putin was accurate? Yes. Did they buy a couple of hundred thousand dollars maybe of Facebook ads? But the idea that somehow he rigged the 2016 election, which is what was alleged by the New York Times, by the Washington Post, they gave themselves all Pulitzers for it. The made up Steele dossier, Hillary Clinton's campaign, all of it was a lie. And so if you're Trump and you're looking at this conflict now between Ukraine and Russia, I think Trump, I'm not saying he thinks Vladimir Putin's a great guy. I'm not saying that I want to go to dinner and like hang out with Putin, but I think Putin was more honest about what he did during the 2016 election than the American media was about the way that they covered Putin in the 2016 election.
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Riley Gaines
I just want to address this. One of our VIPs, Troy in Michigan says he disagrees with me about Zelensky's attire because Arab leaders don't wear suits at the White House. If you're wearing the traditional garb that you would wear at a press conference as a leader in your own country, that's different from showing up in a tracksuit. Zelensky doesn't. Zelensky in tracksuit is not like the traditional formal attire of the Ukrainian people. He just decides that because he's a wartime, wartime leader, wartime president, he's going to dress this way. Look, Trump obviously didn't like it. So it doesn't really even matter what the protocol is. He should know enough about Trump to know that Trump didn't want him showing up the way that he did. So that's misstep number one. Whether someone agrees with it or not doesn't really matter because Zelensky should be able to anticipate that. Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
And if you do do that, because there are photos out there of Winston Churchill basically showing up in non suit attire to meet with fdr. I think if you are, your idea is we're at war. So I'm going to wear a war type uniform, which I think is what Zelensky would argue. Then, to your point earlier, Churchill worked as hard as he could to express his respect, admiration and deep gratitude for the support of the American people and fought as hard as he could to get them to get in on his side with the war. Remember, we probably don't get into World War II if the Japanese don't make the decision to attack us in Pearl Harbor. I mean, I don't know exactly how the history of the world plays out if that attack doesn't happen. But if you know, and there is word that Trump said, hey, it would be appreciated if Zelensky would address. Would dress in a suit as a Western leader typically would. If you know that you're doing something to provoke the ire based on the wardrobe that you start. If you are smart guy, you probably don't feud with him. Other thing that you pointed out, Buck and I went back and I listened to most of that entire press conference, too. That was the final question. They actually said, last question. If you go back and listen to it, Zelensky knew, hey, I basically made it through the whole public media availability. Just don't blow it up at the very end. And you would have gotten your signed mineral rights agreement. I think Buck, I really do, I don't think he wants a ceasefire. I don't think he wants peace. I just don't buy it.
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Riley Gaines
But then this forces us to look at, well, then what if that were true, what does he want right now? He says he wants a ceasefire with all kinds of guarantees. With all kinds of guarantees. I would note that he says, well, we can't trust a ceasefire with Putin. He needs an additional guarantee beyond that. But the truth is there, you know, ain't no guarantees in this world, period. Ok? You make the best deal you can with the realities that you have them. You hope there are some enforcement mechanisms, there are some carrots and sticks, and you go forward with that, it's not going to be perfect. But here's fundamentally the problem. This is a war that he can't win. There's no future in which he can win this war and expel the Russian Federation, the Russian forces from the territory of Ukraine. So it has to be a negotiated settlement. Everybody agrees about that. The only disagreement so far, at least that's what we're led to believe, is what are the terms of the negotiated settlement? You don't play games with the only arbiter that you really have in this process who has the kind of leverage to get something done, which is Donald Trump. You don't play games with him in front of the press, on his home turf, in his. In the White House, in your foreign language. Yeah, well, you know, I mean, he speaks English well enough to know what was going on there, but I still think, I think that it was. It was a mess from the perspective of what the Ukrainian people are trying to achieve and what would be best for them. And I think it. The people that are so opposed to this, what is their plan exactly?
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Buck Sexton
They have.
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Riley Gaines
All Biden did was sit around and send taxpayer dollars to Ukraine with no accountability whatsoever for them to be fighting a war that's never going, that's, that doesn't seem like it's going to end until they've killed off every single military aged and able bodied man in Ukraine. I mean that's, that's where this is heading.
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Buck Sexton
To be fair, at least in the first couple of years, you could argue there was an uncertainty about where it might go, even if the overall favoritism of the odds favored Russia all along. Now there is no argument. I haven't heard a single person say, hey, Ukraine is going to kick Russia out of the territory they invaded and restore their pre2022 border. So if you know that that's impossible, and I think everybody does, why are you still allowing tens of thousands of people to die? It feels like everyone, including 78% of Americans according to most recent CNN poll, Support a cease fire and into the war look, talking about a cease fire and into a war situation in the Middle east is still tumultuous. A man was killed, four others wounded in a stabbing attack at a transit hub in northern Israel today. Hamas praised the attack, stopped short of claiming responsibility. Israelis want a normal life again. But with the ceasefire on shaky ground, Israeli city citizens are justifiably apprehensive. And all this has an impact on the emotional well being of the population as Israelis work to return to normalcy. The international fellowship of Christians and Jews, that's the ifcj, has continued to support those in the Holy Land still facing the lingering horrors of war and those who are in desperate need right now. Your ongoing monthly gift of $45 will provide critically needed aid to communities in the north and south devastated by the ongoing war. I visited both parts of the country, the north and the south saw firsthand the impact your donations are having and the devastation that has to be rebuilt. You can provide hope during a time of great uncertainty with your gift. Bless Israel and her people by visiting supportifcj.org that's one word. Supportifcj.org you can also call 888-488-IFCJ. That's 888488 IFCJ. Want to be in the know when you're on The Go the Team 47 podcast Trump highlights from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get. Your podcasts encourage you all to go subscribe to the Clay Travis Buck Sexton podcast. You can get clips, you can be able I noticed this the other day, Buck. I was going to go pick up my kids, and I walked past someone listening to our show on double speed. And it wasn't my wife who says that she listens to the show on double speed. You can. I'm not a huge podcast person, but you can speed up how fast the people talk on the podcast. And you can go at one and a half speed. You can go at 2x time. You can be through even faster. Our friend Alexi Lawless, Fox Sports soccer analyst, listens every day. What's up, Alexi? And he listens at double speed. While he's working out out in California. My wife listens at double speed. Someone was listening at double speed as I was walking past to go pick up my kid.
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Riley Gaines
A very jacked patriot walked up to me in the gym this morning and I thought he was going to tell me, hey, buddy, move faster. I got to get through this next machine. And instead he said, I love your show. You and Clay do a great job. And I was like, of course, because you're a Jack handsome patriot down here in South Florida. So he was a podcast listener as well.
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Buck Sexton
I've got a funny story that I meant to share a while back, and we'll get to the latest drama from the state of Florida. Casey DeSantis, Byron Donald's info there, that is super interesting, but this happened, Buck, and I meant to share it. So I was at the super bowl down in New Orleans, and I did our friend Shannon Bream's Fox News Sunday show from the field at the desk. They had the desk where they put all the football analysts. She started off the day for Fox live from inside the Superdome. I had to get there super early in the morning and I had to go through a lot of security because Trump was going to be there. And near one of the final security loopholes that I went through, a security guard called me over and I thought, oh, this security. It's not uncommon. We over index massively on this program with security guards and police officers. So it's not uncommon. When I'm going through security somewhere and I appreciate you guys, somebody will come over and they don't want to make a big show, but they'll be like, man, really appreciate what you and Buck are doing. Keep up the fight. Things like that. We over index with security personnel. I thought that's what he wanted me for. So I walk over and he, like pulls me in closer and I'm like, oh, he's going to tell me, you know, something about the show. He just doesn't want everybody else to overhear because, you know, he doesn't necessarily want them to know his politics, whatever else. And I swear this happened, he leans over and he says, your flies down. You probably want to pull that up. Nothing to do with the show. Not sure that he had any idea who I was. I leaned over expecting to hear, hey, thanks for being a great American patriot. Instead, early morning, I had not zipped my fly up. Thank you to that security guard in New Orleans who may have no idea who I am at all, but did notice that my fly was down. And he didn't want to draw a huge show by. Draw a huge attention by pointing it out. So not all the time, but lots of the time, people are saying, hey, love the show. Other times I just can't manage to dress myself appropriately. Uh, so I appreciate the help. Anywhere I can get it. All right now. Casey DeSantis. Buck, we talked about Andrew Cuomo. Andrew Cuomo makes sense to me. Not because he wants to be mayor, but because he wants to be President of the United States and he wants an office to run from. Ron DeSantis is term limited out 2026, will have served eight years as governor. You and I believe that Ron DeSantis is, if not the best, one of the best governors that we have seen in the last decade. In fact, Buck, I think I can speak for you. You probably wouldn't be living in Florida right Now if Ron DeSantis were not the governor of Florida. Is that fair? That's a huge reason why his leadership, why you ultimately got fed up with New York and ended up in Florida. I think that's fair to say.
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Riley Gaines
Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, of course.
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Buck Sexton
So having said that, there is now, according to Polymarket, a 70% chance that Casey DeSantis is going to run for governor. That is Ron DeSantis wife. And there is a big NBC News story that came out last night saying that basically she is preparing for the run. We talked about this a little bit. Byron Donald's congressman from South Florida has already announced. This is setting up. I want to look not only in the governor's race, but also I want to consider this larger picture as a continuing Trump versus DeSantis battle. I want to get your take on it, but first, let's play this audio. We played it on Friday, but you had ducked out. And it was at the end of the. Near the end of the show. Casey DeSantis was asked about it, and this is how she responded. Well, I would say one thing. To quote the late, great Yogi Berra.
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Riley Gaines
When you come to a fork in.
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Clay Travis
The road, take it.
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Riley Gaines
You guys can read in that which way? Look, I mean, I think that I've been, I've had people coming up to me for years begging to get her in the fray because I think, you see with her presentation, I mean she's passionate, she's articulate, she's smart, she's got rock solid values. I remember Rush Limbaugh, late, great, great friend of mine and he was always upset because he thought that the spouses pulled the office holder to the left. And, and he said with Casey, I don't have to worry about that. She's, she's more conservative than you.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, so Buck, you are a Floridian. It may be the case that next year you have to decide in a Republican primary who would you vote for? What is going on here? We know Byron Donalds has announced he wants to be governor. He is running. I saw he's already sharing clips from his social media account about his governor's race. We talked to him last week. Casey, certainly we'd love to have her on the show if she announces but, and I think she would do a great job by the way. I think she's super smart and I think Ron DeSantis has been such a great governor that on some level knowing who he wants to be the next governor would make sense. But let me just, I want to toss this to you and get your read. Hillary Clinton ran for office, but she ran for office after Bill Clinton's political career was over and then she built her own political career. Ron DeSantis political career in my opinion is not over. Um, I know he's term limited out in 2026. He has to figure out what to do. I think he probably would run for president. What is the play here so far as you see it in the event and again it appears that it's going to happen. Casey DeSantis also throws her hat in the ring. And we get what I think it's fair to say would be another Trump vs. DeSantis esque battle because Trump has already endorsed Byron Donald and Trump would certainly know if Kasi was preparing to run this would as well plugged in as he is in Florida. This wouldn't be a surprise to him.
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Riley Gaines
This is the system we have. I don't view this as, as a, as a problem either way. I think that if you want to have a robust Republican primary in this state with different very strong candidates, then, then that's fine and that the People of Florida will get to decide. I also think that there's nothing wrong with saying let's see what the various candidates have to say about what they do as governor. You know, I share your sentiments about Governor DeSantis being a fantastic, I mean a true A plus governor. And I'm very thankful to him as a Floridian for what he has done. I also think Byron Donalds is an excellent congressman and I have a lot of respect for him and we've, we've spent time talking to him and know where he, on a lot of national level issues. And Casey DeSantis is very impressive and, and, and charming and there's, you know, a lot to recommend. I'll recommend her for, for elected office. So I don't feel like there's a definitive anything right now. She hasn't even decided to get into the race. Byron Donald's already has Trump's endorsement. That's obviously going to carry a tremendous amount of weight. Remember, Trump is a Floridian, which I feel like doesn't always we think of him as a New Yorker, but he actually now is officially and has been perhaps in part because of DeSantis during COVID is an official Floridian. So there's going to be a lot that plays out here. We'll see whether DeSantis, I can't just say DeSantis because Casey and Ron, Ron supporting his wife would be no surprise. Anybody who spent five minutes with the guy. So if she decides that she wants to get in, he's going to push, push aggressively for her to take over the governor's chair and we'll, we'll see. You know, the chips fall where they may. I don't really, I don't really have much for it beyond that. We haven't even, we don't even know who's in the race yet. So how could we judge who should win the race?
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Buck Sexton
It's interesting to me because we know DeSantis ran for president and frankly, if Trump hadn't run, I think DeSantis would have won the nomination. In other words, if Trump had just decided, hey, I'm out. But now the calculus is different with JD Vance because if Trump had picked Doug Burgum, I think a lot of people would have seen that as a Mike Pence like choice. In other words, let me put it this way. Do you think if Trump had won in 2020, do you think that Mike Pence would have been the nominee in 2024? I think there's a zero percent chance that Mike Pence would have been the nominee even as Trump's vice president, because I think a lot of people saw him, frankly, as not a particularly strong leader. I don't know that Trump would have even endorsed him. J.D. vance, on the other hand, I think is an entirely different kind of vice president. I think even the fight that we saw with Zelensky, Mike Pence, would have never done that. And Trump backed J.D. vance. I will be surprised if Trump doesn't back J.D. vance in 2028. And so I think the political calculus is different because Vance is going to enter into the race, and I think he's going to run starting about 27, which isn't very long from now, as a substantial favorite to be the Republican nominee. And so if you're looking around there, then you've got eight years of JD Vance potentially soaking up a lot of the attention. In other words, Trump's selection of J.D. vance I don't think has been talked about enough as being incredibly consequential in how all of the political chips are set up going forward in a way that never occurred with Mike Pence, and I don't think would have occurred. I'm not trying to take a shot at him. If he had picked somebody like Doug Burgum, I don't know that there would be the expectation of him as next man up. Does that make sense? And so I'm kind of curious about the DeSantis maneuvering. What is the play here? Casey could be governor for eight years if she won, if she lost, and Byron Donald's one. I also don't know how this plays out, but I don't see it as just about the governor's race, just like I don't see the New York City mayor's race as just about the New York City mayor's race, if that makes sense.
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Riley Gaines
Well, I think that the DeSantis political brand would not really be relevant if he does not become the nominee in 28 is essentially out of the game. So if Casey becomes the governor, then you have a DeSantis in a very prominent role in American politics for the foreseeable future. Right. So it's a way of. Of staying in the game. And, you know, I think they also really believe, look, Ron DeSantis has done great things in Florida. So I think that it's very fair to say that there's also the true public service going on, of running a state the way that it should be run, having hundreds of thousands of people moving to that state as fast as they can and very happy with that move, I remember people saying, oh, everyone who moves to Florida, they're all going to leave. Not true.
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Buck Sexton
That's, that is more people are continuing to go to Florida.
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Riley Gaines
Yeah. And I think other states that can are looking at some of what Florida has done and, and thinking about how they could kind of, they could try to replicate it. So I just, it's very early in all this process. It will be interesting to see if you, you know, if you do have a, a heavyweight, a heavyweight bout if you will, between Casey DeSantis and Byron Donalds. I can't imagine there'd be another candidate in that mix who would really make a big difference in the governor's race. But we'll see. Maybe also this talk with Casey, maybe Ron, Ron and Trump played golf I think very recently. So they seem to be on good terms. Maybe this is just a conversation but actually there'll be something for Ron and the administration down the line. Who knows.
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Buck Sexton
I would also point out that, yeah, I bet you'll feel very comfortable signing onto this. Florida is not a toss up state in any stretch at all. The winner of the Republican primary is going to win comfortably as the governor in 2026. So effectively the Florida governor's race, if it were Casey DeSantis versus Byron Donalds is actually in the primary as often happens in red states or blue states where there isn't a functional competitor. I think that what the biggest legacy of DeSantis has been. It's going to be really hard for any Democrat to win a statewide office maybe for 10, 20 years into the future in the state of Florida and it may not happen for the next generation. That's a pretty incredible legacy. We'll talk about. They'll take some of your calls. I'm curious how Floridians would, would react to that. Also we'll dive in on this, this crazy Boston shooting, the reaction from the mayor of Boston. We've got a lot of. I'm not sure we've ever had more awful mayors, Democrats in big cities than we are dealing with right now. We'll talk about that and more when we come back. In the meantime, it's March Madness. I mentioned my beloved University of Tennessee. Literally the last shot of the game, 35 foot three pointer to beat Alabama. That's what happens in March Madness. Craziness, insanity. Everybody goes completely wild. Buck is so fired up he's even going to fill out an NCAA tournament bracket which I cannot believe he's never done before. And right now you can make your picks in Prize picks prizepix.com use my name Clay. You get $50 when you sign up. Instantly. You can play in California, you can play in Texas. You can play in Florida, in Georgia, 40 states nationwide. 13 million of you have signed up. When you play $5, you get back 50 just for signing up right now. I don't know that I've ever given you an offer where you get $50. All you have to do is go to prizepix.com, put in my name. Clay can play in my home state of Tennessee for sure. That's prizepix.com My name Clay. Clay. Stories of Freedom.
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Riley Gaines
Joined by our friend Riley Gaines. Very fast swimmer, very fast and also a great lady out there fighting for sanity when it comes to women in sports. She's of Fox News and outkick Riley. Appreciate you being back with us here once again. The fight continues even after this election and it feels like a lot of people on the left realize that this is an 8020 issue against them. You are still coming up against at least opposition when it comes to the Democrats, the laws they want, the policies. What's the latest in the fight for women in athletics not having to compete against men.
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Clay Travis
Well, it is so good to be back on with you. Look, we know the American people know we are finally in a position which is in total contrast to the last four years. We are finally in a position to get things done. We have the ability to, especially at the Federal level, we've seen President Trump sign a beautifully and thoroughly written executive order banning men from participating in women's Sports. We've seen HR28 pass the house. We will see a cloture vote tonight in the US Senate, which transparently is not looking too good. Of course, this is something that you can imagine will fall on party lines. They need to cross that 60 vote hurdle. So we shall see there. But all that to say this executive order and what's happening at the federal level, it certainly does not absolve states from doing what they need to do in passing legislation to protect women. So I'm thrilled today to be in Minnesota, of course, governed by Tim Walls. You remember that guy Tampon? Tim. So we had a fantastic rally today. Myself alongside people, amazing leaders like Jack Brewer, who has just been fantastic in this fight. Other, other initiatives he's taken on is, you know, the fatherlessness epidemic, especially among those who are incarcerated. He's amazing. So it was awesome. We had so many people, you know, concerned parents. We had young athletes there, hundreds of Minnesotans who had had enough, who are ready to lend their voices to the fight. Similar to what we've seen in Maine over the past few days, of course, following that interaction between Governor Mills and President Trump just a few weeks ago.
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Buck Sexton
Riley, appreciate you being on with us and all the battles that you're fighting. I just kind of want to bring this home for everybody out there listening. And you can correct me if I'm wrong, because you've been far more involved in all these details. This bill to protect women and ensure that women's sports are only played by women only got two Democrat votes in the House. I believe Republicans uniformly supported it, but only two Democrats did. In the Senate, there are 53 Republicans that are going to vote for this. But in order for it to actually become a law due to the filibuster, we need 60 total votes. Right. So that would mean seven Democrats senators would need to step forward and support it. You can explain that a little bit more, but have any Democrats senators yet publicly said that they will vote? I can't believe this is real. I still can't believe this is political. That they will vote to ensure that men don't compete in women's sports. Have any Democrat senators said, hey, I'm for this?
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Clay Travis
That's. That's funny, Clay. The only one that did was Mansion. So, of course is not there any longer. So, no, we have not seen any support from Democrats. You mentioned the House. We saw two Democrats vote in favor of protecting women and girls in sports. And of course, these were two Texas Democrats who probably don't want to lose their seat in 2026 or 2028. But nothing from the Senate, which is amazing to me because you have all these swing states, especially where, you know, Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, where President Trump won but the Republican Senate nominee did not. So all that to say we are watching, especially people in the swing states, people like Tammy Baldwin. Hopefully we can see some common sense from Fetterman. That is someone who, you know, of course, I would not count on him, that's for sure. But we've been surprised by Fetterman before, at least potentially. Senator Ossoff in Georgia, maybe Senator Warnock in Georgia. These are states where we're watching. The people are watching as well.
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Buck Sexton
That's where I was going to hammer. Here is Riley, the state of Georgia, double Democrat senators. Trump won by several points. Brian Kemp, the governor, has won by seven or eight. I saw Tommy Tuberville share that, 73% of Georgians, and I bet it's higher than that, actually. But 73% of Georgians don't believe that women should be able to compete again, that men should be able to compete against women. That would be wild if Georgia's Democrat senators aren't willing to get online, particularly Ossoff, who is up for reelection. And there's talk that Brian Kemp may be running against him. I would think that that might be a pretty big deal next year in Georgia.
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Clay Travis
You know, I think so, too. And I want it to be. Look loud and let me make myself very, very clear here. If these Democrats or I really will say when, especially those in very blue states, when these Democrats vote no, they can expect 24. 7 Republican ads during the campaign cycle to consistently hammer home the fact that they do not believe girls deserve fair sports. Senator Warnock, again, another Georgia senator. You know, I would have maybe had a little hope, but again, this is the same senator who just a few weeks ago voted no on the lake and Riley acted, and that happened in his home state of Georgia. So I don't know if there's a lot of hope for Warnock, but there are some eyes on Ossoff for sure.
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Riley Gaines
We're speaking to Riley Gaines of Outkick and Fox News. Riley, we have fantastic VIPs on this show who write into the special VIP email, and one of them has a question for you, or rather, I guess a comment that I'm supposed to make to you. Be sure and ask Riley. This is from Mark. Be sure and ask Riley about her Prayer at NASCAR yesterday, where she included President Trump in it. Awesome. Tell me, tell us about this one, because I didn't see it.
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Clay Travis
I'm so used to the liberal backlash that I receive. But yesterday I was so honored to pray, say the pre race invocation at the NASCAR race in Austin, Texas. And so in my prayer, of course, I pray for the safety of the drivers and their protection and the families and the staff and all of that. But in my prayer, I mentioned, you know, I said something to the effect of bless our President, bless his cabinet, bless all of our leaders that they may seek the Lord and his guidance and all decisions that they make. Because if that is done, we will never be steered wrong and America will be made great again. But for saying that, it is amazing. The response that I've gotten, which I will say is the support is tenfold. Anything negative. But people who have reached out to me saying, you know, why would you make this prayer political? Let me be clear. The Bible calls Christians to pray for those in authority. That's made very clear in First Timothy. So that's what I was doing again, to seek the Lord's guidance in every decision that they make. Of course. And that's something I prayed for when President Biden was in office as well. I prayed that his eyes would be open to the truth, but I also prayed that he seeks the Lord. The backlash is just amazing to me. And nascar, of course, when I said that, you can imagine the response of the crowd, roaring, applause, clapping, all the things. Because NASCAR is a sport where that is the base, which is not why I do anything. Of course, I did not say that to appease the base. But the response that I received from the audience was telling Riley, you were.
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Buck Sexton
In the White House when the President signed his protecting women sports decree. And it was an incredible scene with all the young girls in particular, all gathered around. What has the NCAA response been so far, and do you think it's adequate?
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Clay Travis
Well, the ncaa, and true NCAA fashion has remained spineless. I find it very obscure to believe that the NCAA essentially grew a backbone overnight and decided to protect their. Their athletes, especially their female athletes. They did release a statement following President Trump's executive order, Charlie, that he will do everything to comply with this EO and with the federal law. But, you know, they released their new policy, and this policy has glaring loopholes. First and foremost, it does not define male, female, or the word sex itself. It does define gender identity, and it does define man and woman. And it says that these two words are just gender identities. So we see the problem when you don't have these terms defined. We see unelected bureaucrats go through the back door and reinterpret these words to mean what they want them to mean. But the big problem here is, is it also it resorts to birth certificates as a way to determine sex, which again, you can change your birth certificate in all but six states in this nation and across the world for that matter. So, again, this is not adequate. I believe it's in direct contrast totally conflicting with President Trump's thoroughly and beautifully written executive order. But the White House has been pretty quick to praise the NCAA in this policy. And so it's been a mission of mine to make sure they know, look, this policy is not good. And if something happens at this point, I believe President Trump will have egg on his face because he supported this policy. So there's still, of course, time for him to come back and say, you know what, Charlie Baker, ncaa, this is not adequate. And this does not follow this executive order. So. So that's really what we're hoping for.
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Riley Gaines
Riley, as you're out there pushing for sanity here and trying to defend women's sports, I'm wondering what your take is on this Clay, and I just talked about it a few moments ago before you came on and joined us. The Democrats right now, perhaps I think in retreat on this issue, maybe in remission on this issue, are what in your mind, what is it going to take for them to change their minds? Or rather, if they won the next election, based on what you see out there, do you think that they would try to enforce all of the gender ideology stuff all over again? I mean, are they still committed to walking down this pathway of, you know, macho man Randy Savage competing against the women in the triathlon, et cetera. Is that still a dyed in the wool Democrat plan? Or do you think they are looking for an exit off this whole situation?
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Clay Travis
You know what, if you would have asked me this before November 5th, I would have told you that of course the Democrats will recant. They will distance themselves from their voting record. Kamala Harris desperately tried to do such in her campaign cycle. So that's what I would have told you. But what we have seen following the election is not at all what I expected. We have seen these elected officials, essentially the entire political party as well as, you know, left leaning media, double, triple, quadruple down on this topic, which can only lead you to believe that really it's their religion. They are so committed. I mean, again, take the governor of Maine, she's willing to put her state in a position where they risk losing over $5 billion in federal funding. As a small state population of 1.4, 1.5 million, a very poor state, they can't survive without federal funding. But you have a governor who is willing to risk every single Mainer's, I mean federal funding for all to insist that boys have a spot to trample and, you know, violate women on women's teams and in women's locker rooms. It is total lunacy. So I believe, look, tomorrow if the Democrats were to win, let's say, you know, in four years, God forbid someone like AOC I saw this morning actually where Governor Walls is considering running for president in 2028. God forbid either of these people get in office. I believe at this point a lot can happen in four years, but I believe they will continue to push this nonsense that. The nonsense that the American people reject.
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Buck Sexton
Good stuff, Riley. Keep the fight going. We appreciate it. What do you think, by the way, is going to happen in Minnesota? Is Tampon Tim's home state going to protect women playing sports or do you think they're going to sign up and want more boys in girls sports?
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Clay Travis
Well, Minnesota is very unique because they have a one vote majority in the House and the Democrats have a one vote majority in the Senate. So it's a very politically diverse, confusing state. So most everything falls on party lines. So it's not hopeful. It's hopeful it will pass the House by one vote, but it won't be heard in the Senate. And of course, if this were to get on Governor Walz's desk, he would certainly not sign. They don't have the majority to override this. So look, it's not likely, but again, it's important these people are on record. Do they believe women are worthy of calling themselves champions or not? It's simple. How they vote on this bill gives the Minnesotans, and again the American people everything they need to know too, to be able to answer that question.
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Riley Gaines
Riley Gaines, stay in the fight. Keep swimming upstream. Thanks for being with us.
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Clay Travis
Thanks you guys.
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Riley Gaines
Right. Swimming.
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Buck Sexton
I was not expecting the swimming upstream, but good for you. Like a nice little play on words there.
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Riley Gaines
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Buck Sexton
Count on and some laughs too.
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Riley Gaines
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Buck Sexton
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