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Clay Travis
I heart Radio welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show President Trump is officially on the ground in Beijing. It is midnight in Beijing. I guess it is Thursday, early early morning in Beijing. Much of the news we will find out as these this state visit officially progresses. He landed Buck with a ton of of high powered heavyweight CEOs who were also on the trip. Among them Elon Musk. The band is back together again and and many others. Jensen Huang of Nvidia. Just a huge collection of pretty formidable leaders of major corporations in the United States. They fetted him on his arrival with a red carpet in Beijing. Um, and we will see what progresses there. I was doing a lot of reading about this visit as we are beginning it as to what might happen. And Buck, I would say there are two things that are standing out to me. We'll get to that in a moment. I'm curious what's standing out to you as the state visit begins, the first for an American president in China since 2017 when Trump went during his first term. LA mayor's race fireworks. A lot of drama building there as we come up on the California primary as well as the California governor's race where the top two advance from the so called jungle primary. There we've got Covid testimony from a CIA whistleblower in front of Senator Rand Paul. The CIA official is saying that Dr. Fauci interjected himself into the investigation from where of where Covid came from and that the CIA was prepared in 2021 to say publicly that they believe that Covid came from a Chinese lab, which it feels like at this point, Buck, everybody kind of acknowledges was what happened. But remember, it was racist to say that Covid came from a Chinese lab, according to the New York Times for some time. And, and so we've got a bunch of cuts from that and I do think that is at least intriguing testimony. We also have an offer out to Senator Rand Paul to potentially join us. We'll also be going down to your home state of Florida where Congressman Byron Donalds, who is the leading contender to be the next governor of the state of Florida, is going to join us at 1:30 Eastern. All that coming. But Buck, there are two things that stand out to me about this Chinese state visit from President Trump. One is what's going to happen with the Strait of Hormuz. China gets a huge percentage of its oil and gas via oil that transits that through there. There are reports that there have been a lot of back channel discussions that China may be leaning on Iran, which is one of the foremost providers of oil and gas for China, and saying, guys, open up the Strait or we're not going to continue to give you the favorable treatments that we have given you in the past. We'll see whether anything emanates from that, whether while Trump is in China, we may get some form of resolution associated with Iran, how involved will China get? Point two, you traveled to Taiwan, Buck. And so you know of the intense severity, complexity of the relationship between Taiwan and China and the United States, what the United States is willing to see. We've had this strategic ambiguity policy as to what we would do if China invaded Taiwan for a long time. So those are the two things. And maybe will Jimmy Lai. This goes directly with the show, because we talked to Jimmy Lai's son. Will he be released from a Hong Kong prison for effectively standing up for basic human rights around the world? That is kind of my big picture take. What are you expecting? What are you paying attention to as this Chinese state visit begins?
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Buck Sexton
Well, Xi Jinping has elevated Taiwan to the absolute top of the agenda. And he's trying to use what he wants when it comes to Taiwan as a primary bargaining piece against what Trump wants, which is a whole range of things on the US Side when it comes to trade. One of the reasons why, of course, Trump went with all these mega CEOs, if you will, some of the biggest and most powerful CEO, really, the biggest and most powerful CEOs, in many cases in the world. So it's worth noting that we signed and as you mentioned, Clay, I went to really, so that going forward, I knew China would be a big issue. I went to Taiwan with Steve Yates, by the way, who will be with us tomorrow to talk about the first run through, if you will, of these Xi Jinping talks. But when we were there, the Taiwanese are incredibly concerned about even signaling from Trump that somehow Taiwan is on the menu, if you will, that there could be enough daylight between America, Japan, very important ally as well in this whole issue, and Taiwan that the Chinese think that now is the time. Now it's go time. So the leverage that we have, I might note, is just to continue essentially status quo. Trump approved an $11 billion arms package for Taiwan. So we are selling them stuff, advanced munitions. And. And the Taiwanese are ramping up, I think, Clay. They're going to spend 5% of GDP on defense this year. That's a lot, everybody, right? You think about what the NATO, the NATO requirement is. I think 2%, which none of those countries hit. 5% is a. Is a sizable chunk of GDP for a country that, let's remember, just wants to stay doing exactly what it's doing. It has no offensive intent whatsoever. So all of that is defensive. It's not. It doesn't have bases all over the world. It's not trying to invade a neighbor. It just wants to be left alone. It wants to make sure the quills on the porcupine are long enough and sharp enough that the Chinese dragon does not decide it's lunchtime. So that's a huge part of this. Trump is going to want to make sure that we get continuity on the rare earth minerals piece because we found out, oh, wait a second, China has a lot of rare earth, and if they use that against us, that can create supply chain disruptions and problems for us. Trump wants Taiwan to offshore Clay a lot. And I remember I went to, I went to see the premier manufacturer of chips in Taiwan and tsmc and it's like a country within a country.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
Imagine an industry in a nation that is so essential and so powerful to that country and to the world that it is a strategic asset globally as well as locally. That's what TSMC is. Now, they've moved, Clay, some of their facilities into the U.S. they've, they're building a big fab, a fabrication facility in Arizona. And TSMC walked me through a lot of what they're doing. But here's the problem, Clay. We want them to build more stuff here, of course, but they're looking at us like, and this includes even talking to the president of Taiwan about this. They're looking at us like, guys, first of all, we kind of like being the best in the world at this, just going to be honest with you and having it on our own soil. And second of all, you can't allow China to seize this. So isn't it a good thing for us that we have this incredibly important intellectual property and strategic asset, that 90% of the high end chips, everybody, we think AI is going to change our lives. It already is. 90% of high end chips are made in Taiwan by TSMC. And it looks like magic when you see just versions of like videos of how they put all this stuff together. So, Clay, it's high stakes with Trump here in China. You know, Trump is going to say that he kicked ass and got the best deal possible. I think he'll get some good things done. But the Chinese have some bare knuckle tactics that they're going to use here too. So it, it is a, it is a real showdown on trade, on economics and on strategy.
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Clay Travis
Also, the Chinese have the advantage of knowing that in theory, their leader is going to be in control for far more than the next six months, which is, you know, when you balance out how all of these scenarios are in play. And some of you say, okay, what do you mean by that, Clay? If, if the midterms go Against President Trump. President Trump is still in office, but in terms of being able to implement anything through the relationship with Congress, that's basically over. And so already I think the, the odds of China having to do anything that's particularly beneficial to us given their time situations, is, is less significant. I would just say this too. China has begun a decline and I do think this is significant and not receiving enough attention by the end of this century, they are now projecting that China's population will be cut in half from what it is right now. And China's population has already begun to decline. They were supposed to catch us for world's biggest economy. You remember reading all those feverish articles a decade ago about how China's progression was such that soon they would get, they're not close and we are actually creating more of a gap between ourselves and the Chinese again. I think to a large extent that's because President Trump stopped bending over backwards and allowing China to take advantage of us in terms of trade to such a significant extent. So China, while they have a longer range leadership certainty, they've actually got a worse overall, I would say, global trajectory than we do. And China is one of those first countries. I mean, what's the population of the world now? 8 billion? I think if, if we end up continuing on these trend lines, the global population may well have already peaked. It's going to start to decline and China is going to be a foremost proponent of that decline of overall population.
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Buck Sexton
One thing on the demographic side, Clay, that is a bit unsettling for us is that when you have a country that has a large male population without female pairing because of China's monstrous one child policy, when you think about this, I mean, for what is it about 30, 40 years in a one child policy? Hundreds of millions of births prevented through either restriction or abortion in China. Hundreds of millions of people. And of course what that also meant because the one, one child people a lot of them chose has to be a male. I need an heir to keep the family name going and to, for economic reasons and you know, all these different things. So you have a, a bulge of unmarried Chinese men in their, you know, 20s, 30s, 40s now. And what are they going to do? And this is a big problem now historically, when societies have a huge surplus of unmarried men, I'm just going to say bad things happen, including wars. So that's something that I think is very concerning for us on the demographic side of things. And even with a massive drop in population, Clay, there's still over a billion people so it's there. You know, it's one of these things. On the China, Taiwan issue, depending on which expert I talk to, I will get. And I've talked to a lot of them, right. And depending on who, even the government you talk to over there, it's. It's all going to be fine. Status quo will continue. People need to calm down. Don't worry. Taiwan and Japan and America together will defend themselves aptly. If China does invade, there's no issue, or Taiwan's totally screwed. It'll take a few days. China will take it. And that's the. I mean, the range of, quote, unquote, obvious outcome here from experts is that's what's really concerning is that I'm telling you, depending on who you talk to, China could invade and kick their asses in a few days. China would get wiped out in the Strait. It's a total mess and a disaster for. I mean, you know, and they're all so certain of their answers. And that's why I sit here and say, if everyone is certain and they all disagree with each other, it means no one is certain. And that's where we are, as Trump is sitting down with Xi Jinping to work out deals that will have implications for us here at home, for sure, but also for the whole world, quite honestly. Those are big. It's a big situation. It's big stuff. Big stakes going on over there. And like I said, we'll. We'll cover that more here. And also, our friend Steve Yates, maybe he can do part of the interview, Clay with us in Mandarin, just to show off a little bit. You know, I got to tell you, seeing that guy walk around Taiwan and just whip out perfect Chinese everywhere because, you know, Yates. Yates is like a big white dude. You know what I'm saying? You wouldn't. You wouldn't expect it. It was. It's pretty cool.
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Clay Travis
So I would think for him, eavesdropping would be incredibly valuable because nobody is expecting that he's having any idea what they're saying. And. And he's got it mastered.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
hour of clay and Buck kicks off right now. We are going to talk about the recently released report on what happened on October 7th because this is a true compilation of all of the evidence that what Hamas did wasn't just a, it wasn't just a terrorist attack. It wasn't just a war crime. It was truly crimes against humanity and our most basic decency. And this should be a part of any discussion about Israel and its actions in Gaza because, well, we'll get into all this. And also Nicholas Kristof, the New York Times writer who I've always thought is a, a smug, slimy and vile propagandist. I do not respect him or his work. He does. He just carries the water for the left in every way that he can, anytime that he can. And he wraps himself in caring about women and the underprivileged and the dispossessed, but really he just is like a might as well just be a Soros operative. He, he put something out there on the same day that this report came out that we should discuss. And it's preposterous, but it's really a blood libel too. It's meant to be so incendiary as to distract us from what is true and what has really happened there. Clay I did want to return us for a second because we had a call or a moment ago and I thought people would want us to at least handle this assertion. He was, first of all he has great taste in radio. He was saying yes, fabulous job. The two most well informed people that he listens to on the radio. So this is a man of high IQ and exceptional taste. So I wanted to respect our callers key point here beyond him saying very true and very, very wise things about this program. He said that it was an intentional release. I am not, I am, I'm 100% that the virus came from the Wuhan lab. And just to be clear, I was one of those people very early on, but I was also somebody who thought we should reopen and just go about our lives and try to try to just give as much care to the elderly as we could by Easter of 2020. That's who I was on all this Easter of 2020. I was like, yeah. And I also thought masks were stupid the entire time. The entire time, because it made no sense. So I'm that guy. Just to give a little, a little bit of my bona fides there. Okay? I'm the. And you know, Clay, we still have, I know you had Baronson on on Monday. We still respect. Some people seem to have forgotten about the role that Alex played and all that. Alex Berenson, I still, and we still have a tremendous amount of respect for what he did because he provided a lot of the necessary data analysis for us to fight back against the madness at a time when there are very few people willing to do that. Okay. That's all one way of saying I don't understand why it would have been released intentionally by China or by. I don't, I don't. Looking at it purely from motivation, why would they do that? Do you see? I think it was, by the way, a super contagious virus accidentally leaking from a lab in China. I mean, that's not even, that doesn't seem like a stretch at all. Right? This stuff is, they're made to be communicable. It's made to be something that goes quickly from person to person in the air. You can't see it. Right. Do you think it was intentional? I, I, I don't, I'm open to being persuaded on this. I don't understand why they would have done that. It affected China just like it affected all the rest of us.
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Byron Donalds
Us?
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Clay Travis
Yeah. I, so I, I think of everything probabilistically like this. I, I think there is a world where some mal actor could have intentionally decided, hey, I want this to go out there. I want there to be in intentionally a negative outcome from this leaking. So I, I wouldn't discount that. I don't see a direct benefit of why China would have intentionally leaked it. Unless. And again, this, I understand why so many people go down conspiracy rabbit holes, Buck. Because when the conspiracy ends up being right as often as it was during COVID then I understand why there's a deep suspicion and a susceptibility for conspiracies to spread. The only real argument I've seen that would make any sense is that China wanted to undercut Trump. The United States was roaring in February and January of 2020. Trump was coming into his full fruition. Economically, I think Trump if Covid never happens, I think Trump wins reelection easily and that somehow China decided we're going to disrupt the entire world and we're going to intentionally leak Covid into, into the, into the global economy. I don't find that to be likely. But if it were going to be an argument of it being an intentional lab leak, that's the only real motivation that I could see made sense from a Chinese perspective. But I think the most likely outcome is it leaked and then they covered it up. And Fauci completely panicked because he knew that American tax dollars had been used to help fund the gain of function research and that they immediately tried to put in the code red. This is to kill this story. This is where Fauci, to your point, Buck, not only do I think he was a malignant force inside of government, he was the highest paid and one of the longest tenured figures in all of our government. And so he knew, which is highly suspicious.
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Buck Sexton
Just to tell you this right now, when you are the single most overpaid federal government employee, something's up. Like I don't, I just don't trust you. I don't care who you are, ok? When you're making more than double what the president makes and you're not. He wasn't even that. People always think he was the head Clay of NIH or the cdc. He was the head of niad, which was like a subunit of nih. How is this guy the highest paid guy ever?
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Clay Travis
Some people, and you've got people who work at your, at your place of employment who do this, aren't really great at their jobs, but they're really good at manipulating the bureaucracy, getting that next
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Buck Sexton
promotion 100 by the way, next step. This is a plague within the federal bureaucracy. The worst people, look at Comey, look at Brennan, look at these people, look at Fauci, look at these people that have made their way to the top of these bureaucracies. They're not smart, they're not good at their jobs, and yet they wield enormous power. The best people that I knew, with some exceptions, but the best people that I knew within the CIA and they know this too, they all leave. And this is going to sound self congratulatory or like, oh, I was one of them, but everyone leaves Clay five to seven years in because you get
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Clay Travis
doubt over the bureaucracy and the heads of it and how hard it is to do anything.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah. After five, you're like, I've done some cool stuff, but I've been ground down by the stupid bureaucracy and the idiots who run the security office here, who all they do is harass people, and they never catch the actual spies. And I'm just done with it. Five to seven years. I can still go to grad school. I could still start a new job. I could. You know, that's the. That's the. And I don't know, some people will tell me that they've seen that in their own bureaucracies within the government, but I can tell you in the intelligence community, 100% the case.
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Clay Travis
What I will say I appreciate our caller on this front. So I don't think so. I think Foushee immediately knew how to manipulate the levers of government. I knew how he knew how to grease bureaucracy. Remember, he had a great deal of power over federal funds, the distribution of them to so many different organizations, and so he had manipulated all that. He had a crew that he could help cover it up. Let me just say this, though. I simultaneously do not judge anyone who believes that it was an intentional leak. And I understand skepticism over it, because there is so much that we were told about COVID We could run through 20 things, probably buck, where you and I were out there saying, I don't know, you know, like, remember we played the clip when suddenly, even on the left, it was Jon Stewart who went on with Colbert, and he ridiculed the idea that this was anything other than a lab leak. And suddenly everyone in that Colbert audience who had been hectoring and lecturing all of us for saying, hey, I'm not sure the official narrative lines up. They were laughing along with Jon Stewart as he punctured the absurdity of the series of stories that they had bought, which were all untrue. And so I think that whole era, there were so many lies told that I understand why anyone would think there are additional lies being told and why there are additional story angles that we haven't gotten to the bottom of.
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Buck Sexton
I just want to note, you know, if someone calls in, even if they're an esteemed and appreciated listener, which all of you are, and they say something that I truly think is just wrong or incorrect, we'll say, so we're not always right. I mean, we're pretty much always right, but we're not always right. But we would say. Or I would say. And you would say, respectively, no, I'm sorry, I think that that's wrong. Or that's incorrect. I'm not saying the gentleman who called in is wrong. I'm just saying I'm not there on the analysis. Yeah, I open to the possibility, you know, I am absolutely there, as I think everybody is, that it came from that laboratory. Obviously, I still think it's more likely than not that it was a. An accidental release, than it was an intentional release, because the motivations to me still go for door number one and not door number two. But, you know, I'm open to being persuaded otherwise. That's where I would. That's where I would put that. And as for Foushee, it's just amazing when you go back and read all the propaganda about this guy early on, because I think people forget Trump had to look to this guy and look to the health bureaucracies early on with the idea that, come on, we're all on the same team here. Like, we just don't want people getting sick. We don't want things to happen that are terrible in society. This isn't a partisan moment. Right?
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Clay Travis
Wrong.
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Buck Sexton
That was, I think, one of the big misapprehensions early on. And I think that Trump, which is. I don't blame him for this. And that's why I hate this thing they do, by the way, Clay, they'll say, well, Trump shut down schools or Trump did this. It's like what you did in April or May of 2020 versus what was done a year later by Biden are night and day in terms of the data, what we had seen, what we had been through, what we had learned, all this other stuff, and they always intentionally conflate this. Trump looked to the health bureaucracies early on when we were told that in Italy, people were all on ventilators and everyone's dying, and this is so terrible, and what are we going to do? And Fauci was clearly a partisan actor who at the first opportunity, started to undermine and eventually betray Donald Trump. Now, people said he should have fired Fauci. Well, that would have just created. That would have been the comey martyr complex on steroids. It would have been. He got rid of the top health guy during a pandemic. So Trump was in an impossible position with that early on. I think that's a fair way to.
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Clay Travis
To.
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Buck Sexton
To grade what was happening there. And I spoke to Trump in the Oval Office in May of 2020 about COVID mostly also about CIA stuff, but mostly about COVID And he said, look, we're going to let states. He wanted to let the federal system play a federalist system play out or states could do things and then we could compare the data. And I think that that was a very sound approach to it early on. And yet the health bureaucrats effectively seize the narrative and seize control. And I think they help deliver the election to Biden.
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Clay Travis
Two things. One, your point on deferring to federalism. There's never a time when someone could have taken over. Look at what Biden did a year later. More dictatorial powers than Trump had the opportunity to take on in the spring of 2020 and the summer of 2020. And he mostly deferred to individual states and mayors to this. I'm going to go back to the caller. This is the other part of the timing that, that I think is suspect. And this is why I said one, if China had done it intentionally, it would be designed for, for Trump. The fact that it to, to harm him in a political election year. The fact that Covid hit in the spring of a presidential election year was also the worst possible time for Covid to hit. By which I mean, if Covid hits in 21 after Trump has won reelection, I think there is far less insanity if Covid hits in 22, even though it's a midterm election, far less insanity if Covid hits in 23, far less insanity. The fact that it hit in the spring of an election year when Trump was cruising to re election and it led to, and I always feel like I need to put it in quotation marks, 81 million votes for Joe Biden. And even Democrats are starting to look around. Even the most strident, oh, anti Trump Democrats, buck. They're starting to look at that. 81 million in the wake of this past election, compared to Obama in 12, compared to how people voted in 16. There's no one, I think, with a functional brain that believes that Joe Biden got 81 million legal votes at this point. This is, there's the math. It's like steroids in baseball when you had guys who used to hit 20 home runs and then one year they hit 50 and you looked at a picture of them and you said, boy, they put a lot of muscle on in the off season. Biden 2020 was for elections what steroids was to baseball. He cheated. There's not 81 million real votes out there now. What exactly is that number? I think even Democrats are starting to look around. I don't think they'll get to 81 million votes in 2028.
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Buck Sexton
And let's remind everyone they have what you just said. Now, Clay, I don't think it will now but a couple of years ago that would have gotten this, this bounced off of YouTube.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
Our clip would be removed from YouTube. They removed an interview we did with the former president from YouTube.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
Over election stuff. Remember that?
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Clay Travis
Oh, yeah. They took, they took rand Paul interview. YouTube took a rand Paul interview about COVID off with us and they took the former president of the United States. They would not allow us to post our President Trump interview.
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Buck Sexton
This show was censored to the point where we had a sitting senator and a former and future president not allowed to say what they wanted to say. And we were and we were pulled off, pulled off the biggest platform video platform online tells you a lot.
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Clay Travis
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- [35:44]
Buck Sexton
common sense to family and friends.
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Clay Travis
Clay and Buck owning the airwave. Well, welcome back in Clay Travis BUCK SEXTON show. As we are rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program, there is a press conference going on right now that I am watching with Vice President J.D. vance, with Dr. Oz and others. They have announced a fraud task force, a new crackdown that is going to be coming that is being led by J.D. vance. It comes on the heels of substantial fraud that has been uncovered in Minnesota, California, Ohio. It really feels to me Buck like a monstrous percentage of our health care spending is fraudulent in nature. Just off the charts, these home health aides, when you look at the number of employees that exist in New York and the money that the government is paying oftentimes for someone who couldn't physically be able to do the job. These autism centers that I've seen the reports on, again, I think the original sin here is the government having gotten aggressively involved in health care. Nobody has any idea what healthcare costs, nobody has any idea what medical treatments actually are necessary. When a volume based business is gonna run you through 20 different tests that you probably don't know. Let me give you one positivity because I'm getting fired up in a negative way about healthcare. Have you been reading about these body scans that are becoming more and more prevalent? I don't know if you've ever had one done. I have not. But I am told from people who are way more sophisticated than I am that these body scans are becoming cheaper and cheaper and that you're going to be able to, I think in the future, do a body scan. Maybe you do it yearly. You just go in, they look at your entire body, they make sure about whether you've got any sort of beginning tumors or cancerous related issues and you have sort of a, I guess, what would you call it, like a baseline of what your body looks like and then you can compare it in the years ahead. And I am cautiously optimistic that the tech there, in conjunction with, and you've talked about this with AI being able to get all of your meds that you can give AI and just say, hey, here's what my blood test results have shown. What do I need to know? What can I do to be healthier? I'm cautiously optimistic that we're going to be moving into a new era where people's own health is going to be better able to be directly treated and everybody's going to be better off.
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Buck Sexton
I, this is where I advocate for everyone to use AI and I understand every time you type in anything health related into these, into these various platforms, whether I use Grok, some people use Gemini, some people, you know all these, Claude, all these different things. I'll always say this is not health advice because they don't want to get sued. This is not health advice. I'm not a doctor. Consult your doctor. By the way, I actually agree with that as the, as the guiding principle. But use these things as a tool so you understand more. And then when you actually sit down with your doctor or when you have A consult with your doctor. You are so much more squared away about what your blood work tells you because you can get all these questions out there first and the AI models will come back with real detail telling you about things. And you know, it's also, by the way, you can put, you can put a photo of yourself into AI. I have not done this, but I have friends who have done this who are professional bodybuilders down here in Miami. And it will tell you about the proportionality of, you know, your musculature in your arms versus your legs, your body fat percentage. You can do a, I mean the amount of data that you have access to now that pertains to your overall health and wellness is, is just leaps and bounds ahead of what it was even 10 or 20 years ago. So I, I, yes, I, I have uploaded my blood, you know, for annual checkup purposes and stuff. I've uploaded my blood work into Grok and then I've asked detailed questions and then gone to my doctor like, hey, so is this, you mentioned this, Is this really? And you can learn so much. And then your questions for the expert are better. I will also tell you that the experts won't like this. Sometimes you'll catch that the expert was actually kind of a little off on something. Doctors don't like this. They don't like Dr. Google. I know, I've experienced too. But all you care about is your own health and you have to be clay. This is one of the reasons why no one will talk about this. But it's true. Why Medicaid fails so miserably is that a lot of people who are on Medicaid are thinking that the system is going to make them healthy, not understanding that you have to navigate that system and bring knowledge to what is going on. If you just show up when things are broken in your body and say, ow, this hurts, Fix me. Yeah, sometimes they can do that, but a lot of the time it's going to be much more of a long term issue, a long term fix. You have to find the right specialist, you have to find the right modality of treatment. And this is why people think having a health care card, whether it's from the government or a private company, is health care. You know, having health insurance is health care. It's not. Health care is an active process and artificial intelligence makes it far more possible for us to be our best advocates for all of this stuff. So that's, you know, that's my TED Talk on that today for all of you. But I'm telling you,
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Clay Travis
speaking of fraud, which is what they're having the press conference about right now, Chris Rufo reports. Fuck. California spent nearly. This is going to get a lot of you seriously angry in California. And I think this ties in with why Steve Hilton's campaign, why Spencer Pratt's campaign. Hilton for governor, Pratt for Los Angeles mayor is sort of catching fire with a lot of different people out there. California spent buck nearly $189 million to give every prisoner a free iPad. Rufo says. We interviewed a dozen death row inmates who told us prisoners are using the tablets to watch porn, engage in X rated chats and groom minors on the outside. 90,000 iPads the state of California purchased to give every prisoner behind bars a brand new free iPad. I mean, can you imagine? I mean this is where your tax dollars are going in California. And I, I just listened to Karen Bass. We had this audio pulled. Karen Bass is upset that AI videos that are pro Karen that are pro Spencer Pratt. As the L A Mayors race is underway, she says that she's really upset about them. Can we play that? Cut. What's worrying me now is, is that
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Byron Donalds
his social media is now taking on a violent turn.
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Clay Travis
And that worries me because when you
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Byron Donalds
do that and when your messages are so hateful or when you demonize people,
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Clay Travis
then you do provoke people who are
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Byron Donalds
unstable and you can jeopardize people's safety. You mean like the throwing of the tomatoes? Well, the throwing of the tomatoes which look like blood or drowning me and the governor in a reservoir.
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Buck Sexton
But there's also other violent scenes. And so I've noticed that, that it's
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Byron Donalds
taking on a violent trend.
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Clay Travis
Okay, so this I do believe is going to be a huge test for California next month. You guys are going to be voting, if you're listening to us, in California, you're going to be voting in the mayor's race, you're going to be voting in the, in the governor's race. It's probably not a surprise Spencer Pratt did so well in the LA mayor debate that the other two primary candidates have refused to debate anymore. I mean, you know, you did well and that it went well for your campaign. When both of the other two candidates say, yeah, we're not going to do this anymore. And I think again, it just comes back to are people in LA frustrated enough? Are people in California frustrated enough to potentially leave the Democrat tribe and be willing to take a chance on someone like Steve Hilton, on someone like Spencer Pratt? I think it's a legitimate question. Question about how exactly this is going to shake out. This is one of the primaries that I'm most excited to see what the results are because I have the sense that people in California are fed up. I have a lot of good friends in LA and they are fed up. When I, when I talk with them, they are very fed up. Buck is skeptical that anything good.
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Buck Sexton
I like your op, I like your optimism here, but I, I gotta tell you, it's amazing, the resilience, the, the enduring quality of lib lunacy in the real hubs of the greater New York City area, Los Angeles. The, these people are so deeply entrenched that telling them things that facing up to how wrong they've been on crime, on climate change, on taxpay, on anything, it's like telling somebody who's been an ardent believer their whole lives there's no God. I mean, they, they can't process, they can't even begin to understand like the basis for their wrongness because it's so unmooring to them. So this is Clay, you know, because I speak from the perspective of somebody who grew up around a lot of these libs in New York. I do not understand how any people ask me, how is it that you grew up in speaking to me, how do you grow up in New York City and you're so right wing. And I mean, I've been asked that question so many times, more times than I could even begin to count. And I always want to say to them, I don't know how anyone else could grow up in New York City, experience life day to day in that city. What happens when Democrats get their way? What happens when Republicans can get their way by and large and not be right wing. I don't understand how it's possible for somebody if they actually believe in safety, rule of law, clean streets, all these things. The conservative stuff always is good and works and the liberal stuff makes you feel good until you realize that the crazy homeless people are hitting old ladies over the head with hammers for the hundredth time. That's it. So I don't know and WOR listeners know, I'm talking about how these psycho libs don't, they don't get the memo. They can't figure this out. It's been decades.
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Clay Travis
It's why the woman who said that she got shoved down the stairs, but she didn't want to prosecute because she was afraid about massing incarceration.
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Buck Sexton
That, that is, I mean, so sorry to Clay. That is encapsulated exactly what I'm saying.
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Clay Travis
I, I think It's a perfect analogy. And then what happens? An innocent 76 year old gets killed because the guy did to him the same thing that he did to the woman. And I was talking about this last night at dinner and then had a couple of drinks afterwards. I think there is a way and I could be totally wrong on this. I want you guys to think about it. We hear so much about, oh, that lady thought she was being empathetic, right? She thought that by not putting this guy in prison, she also said she didn't want another black guy to be put in jail. I would bet that she was a white woman, liberal, college educated white woman who thought she was being kind by not putting, prosecuting that guy and put him in prison. What if you redirect the empathy to the people that are actual victims of crime? That 76 year old is dead because that woman's empathy was misdirected towards a criminal and not towards the future victims of that criminal. Can we retrain people's mind to the empathy? The emotion is powerful. I think left wingers have been overtaken by emotional response. But if you want to be incredibly empathetic, shouldn't your empathy go to people who are completely innocent that are going to be victimized and not to the victimizer? That feels like a transition that could occur and an argument that could be made that I hear very few people making. But that situation in New York City is a perfect distillation of it. Woman gets shoved down the stairs, doesn't prosecute the guy who did it. Next time it happens, 76 year old isn't as fortunate, he's dead. So because she didn't prosecute and that guy wasn't put behind bars,
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Buck Sexton
this, that is the, the sort of epitome of the urban lib mindset. And it's like something is deeply wrong with them. There's, there's some way that they cannot
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Clay Travis
process their empathy has been, has been taken advantage of and they think they're being good people by doing what she did. And, and that's what I'm saying, like you did the manufactured delusion. Can we manufacture sanity? Can we manufacture sanity and still use the same empathetic desire which I think women in particular share generally speaking, more than men? Can we use the empathy to direct the empathy to the actual victims of crime that will occur if the bad guys are not put in prison? That to me seems like a shift that could occur if it were an argument made. Well, maybe some of you can start to use that argument with people that you interact with in your own life
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Clay Travis
I heart Radio welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show we are expecting to be joined by the leading candidate to become the next governor of Florida, Byron Donald. He is making contact with the team team coming up here in a bit. We can mention that so far, Buck, in terms of the redistricting story, which is a big part of what is going on with with Florida where they've redistricted and now they think they're going to have 24 Republican seats compared to 20 before. So they've added four Republican seats that the state of Florida, as Ron DeSantis eight year tenure is coming up on its close. Got redistricting done. Tennessee has redistricted. It appears that South Carolina is not going to redistrict and Mississippi is not going to redistrict either. For those of you out there saying, okay, why those states in particular? Because they had and still do evidently racially gerrymandered districts that could be open to being redrawn. But Byron Donalds is with us now and we'll start there. The redistricting battle is underway. Congressman, you are I think going to be the next governor of the state of Florida. What do you think about the new map that Florida has put in place?
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Byron Donalds
The governor, Governor DeSantis did the absolute right thing. If you look at what's happened in Florida, a couple things. One, everybody already knows our state has increased in size since the 2020 census. No doubt about that. Second thing is we still believe that the Biden admin actually was playing games with the census and playing games with apportionment. We think Florida should have got an additional seat. That did not occur. I think what we did was right in the state of Florida. Also look at the decision in the Louisiana case from the Supreme Court ending racial gerrymandering in the United States of America because yes, racial, racial, pro racial discrimination to no matter what, no matter what reason is unconstitutional and should be illegal and not allowed. That's A fact. And so we're very happy with what the governor and the legislature were able to get done, I think through broader redistricting. I think you see Hakeem Jeffries is now out saying that they're now going to go to blue states and they want the blue states to gerrymander even further. And by the way, let's be clear, blue states have been gerrymandering for politics way longer than red states have. Way longer. New York's maps, the state of Massachusetts does not have any Republicans in it whatsoever. You can go to Illinois where they basically strip mined Chicago to make the suburbs blue districts because they use Chicago's Democrat base to make a bunch of other seats go away. California has been doing this for a long time. So only when Republicans say, okay, enough's enough, we're going to start doing what you do now they're upset and now they're going to go further. But we're going to win anyway. And that's just the way it's going to be.
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Clay Travis
Joy Reid called you a House pet of the Republican Party. I'm reading directly from her quote. I want to let you respond to it. She said he lets white men pat him on the head in the United States of Representative, United States House of Representatives. You represent, by the way, I think a majority white district in South Florida. You, I believe, are going to be the next governor of the state of Florida. People of all different races are going to vote for you as part of that. What was your reaction when you saw what she said about you? And I'm sure she's not the only one saying things like that about you as this campaign rolls on.
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Byron Donalds
Well, I think that's one of the reasons she doesn't even have her show anymore because one, she's never really been that entertaining. Two, she's not really that good at her job and so she has to resort to these type of tropes in order to get attention. I find it to really be disgusting. And you know, it is what it is. As far as I'm concerned, I'm going to keep doing my job. And what I stand for are free markets, free enterprise, secure borders, common sense, you know, protecting girls in their sports, making sure that we protect the puberty of young kids. And in having a sense of economic system where whether you're black or you're white or you're Hispanic, you have an opportunity to build the American dream for yourself. That's what I support and that's what the people who have voted for me in the Past support. And let's be very clear, that's what the vast majority of Americans support, whether they're a Republican or a Democrat. What Joy Reid does is what too many Democrats have been doing for far too long. They play these racial games, these racial politics to use the paths of America to try to keep political power. And I think it's disgusting. I think people are over it. They just want common sense solutions for the issues facing America. And, you know, he doesn't come with any solutions. So she has to do this kind of craziness. So I don't really care about her. It is what it is, you know. You know, look, I'm sitting here in my office. One thing I know is that if you're doing something right, people take shots at you. That's just the way it is.
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Buck Sexton
Appreciate you being with us, Byron. It's buck Florida residents. One of the, one of the migration that has helped turn your state. I know you're a Florida guy through and through, but we have now taken it to a 1.4, 1.5 million Republican registration advantage. So the, the, the American migrants from elsewhere to Florida have helped make this place nice and bright red. You are the likeliest, based on all the polls, to take over as governor for Governor DeSantis, to borrow from Clay's world a little bit, this would be like being the coach who takes over after Bear Bryant retires or something. Right, Clay? Bear Bryant was very good.
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Clay Travis
Isn't he the very good back in the day?
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Buck Sexton
Yes, yes. One of the best coaches. That's the only SEC football coach I could think of. You're going to be taking over for this coach, and you're going to have a state that the rest of red America, whether they're in a blue state or red state, is looking to, for a lot of leadership. Now, I'm not trying to, you know, say you got a lot of pressure here, big shoes and all that. I think you know that, Byron. But what is top of the agenda? I mean, there's the continuation of what's happening now in Florida, which it sounds like you and currently Governor DeSantis are aligned on the big issues. But what is top of your agenda to keep Florida in this position where it's just leading the way on fiscal governance, on bringing people here who want business to thrive, who want all these things? Like what's the top of the list for you?
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Byron Donalds
Well, first, you know, Governor DeSantis has done a great job leading our state. He's to be commended for all his work the last seven and a half years. But I think what's top of mind for me is efficiency. Everybody saw the mess in Minnesota. We're starting to hear more and more reports about the different places where federal money and state money is being misspent, misallocated, or there's outright fraud. I think the future of not just Florida governance, but really in the entire country is using every tool possible to weed out a fraud, to weed out wasted money. Like, we have to make sure that services are being provided, but we just can't waste taxpayer money. The other thing is modernizing a lot of our internal operations, like government built today and moving forward has to move at the speed of business, not at the speed of government, because time's money, time is money, and money is expensive. And so we want to be a very efficient government, make sure that we're doing the necessary checks that we have to do. But we're going to be efficient with people's time, with people's resources. And I believe that's going to continue to have Florida be the best state in the country, built on the foundation being left to us by Governor DeSantis of, you know, law and order, common sense, conservative policy, policies that allow a society to thrive. We're going to just build on that and make sure our state is even more efficient than it has been in the past.
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Clay Travis
There's a huge Cuban population, as you well know, in South Florida, but really all over the state. We've got to figure out what to do with Cuba. Now that Venezuela has largely been liberated from the Maduro regime, what do you think should happen with Cuba?
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Byron Donalds
I think we need a free. A free Cuba. I want to see the regime go away. I want to see it fall. I think it's time for Diaz Canal to go. We want to see a Cuba that respects property rights, respects religious liberty, economic liberty, personal liberties, free speech. We want to see the political prisoners that they still have released. And we think these things are possible, especially with the work that President Trump and Secretary Rubio are doing. We think these things are possible, and a free Cuba will have a friend in Florida. But it's got to be free. It's got to respect individual liberty, and there will be a friend for them in Florida. Mark,
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Buck Sexton
let me ask you this. If the President of the United States, the Commander in Chief, Byron, who I know you know and has endorsed you, and so this isn't really a far cry from what may happen or what might have happened if you're with him at Mar a Lago or the White House. Or I guess these days it would be Bedminster. He said, you know, Byron, we have a plan very similar with Maduro, where we could send in a tier one unit, whether it's Delta or the seals, and we could take into custody a few of the top leaders of the Cuba Communist regime and make them face justice for a whole range of things here in the US Would you tell them to give the go order?
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Byron Donalds
Yes, I would. Look, let's be very clear about what's happening 90 miles off the coast of Florida. You have a communist dictatorship that's been in place since the 60s which has been an ally to our enemies on the globe on the world stage. And that is a fact. And so I think it's time for the regime to fall. I do.
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Clay Travis
What would you tell President Trump? And you may have already talked with him about it, he is what is is 145, I think in the morning right now in Beijing. He's landed in China for the state visit. What do you expect to come out of that state visit? What do you hope we get out of it?
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Byron Donalds
Well, I mean, look, a couple things. One, obviously the president has to is working through to finalize whatever deals we need to get done with the Chinese. Two, what's kind of looming in the background is this conflict with Iran. And I think that obviously because of this trade horror moves being in a position that it's in which is raising global oil prices, I think that definitely is in the interest of the Chinese to be able to get resolved as quickly as we can. And we need to make sure that they don't have a nuclear weapon. I think the one thing that's been so misleading from the press, you know, they keep saying, oh, the president doesn't have a goal in what's happening with Iran and it's just not true. He's been clear from the beginning they cannot have nuclear weapons, period. End of story, full stop. And so I think that potentially with what happens in Beijing over the next couple days, we might be able to get a solution on that front as well. And I think that'll be good when it comes to not just global security, but obviously global oil markets.
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Buck Sexton
Byron Donalds running for governor. Congressman Donald, appreciate you being with us here, sir. Best of luck to you. We'll talk to you again soon.
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Byron Donalds
Listen, thanks guys. Appreciate you. Take it easy.
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Clay Travis
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