Daily Review with Clay and Buck - May 14 2025

Summary

Summary of "Daily Review with Clay and Buck" – May 14, 2025

Introduction

In the May 14, 2025 episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show hosted by iHeartPodcasts, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into pressing political and current events topics. The discussion is marked by sharp critiques of the current administration, media handling of political figures, and ongoing legal battles involving high-profile personalities. This summary captures the key points, notable quotes, and the overall flow of the conversation, providing a comprehensive overview for those who haven't listened to the episode.

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1. Media Criticism and the Biden Administration

Clay and Buck open the discussion by addressing their disdain for how the media handles political narratives, particularly concerning President Joe Biden's mental and physical fitness.

• Buck Sexton highlights media embarrassment:
  “The media is ashamed and they are so ashamed that they are actually and embarrassed that they are actually turning into something you never would have thought you would see.” [04:27]

• Critique of Democrats' strategy:
  Buck argues that Democrats are struggling with internal accountability, resorting to scapegoating or collective blame to deflect responsibility for perceived lies about Biden's capabilities.
  “Biden as the scapegoat doesn't make sense because as you and I have discussed, they should have known and pushed him out earlier.” [07:52]

• Chuck Schumer's Accountability:
  The hosts discuss Cassie Hunt's grilling of Chuck Schumer regarding his role in allegedly pressuring Biden to step down, questioning the integrity and transparency of Democratic leadership.
  “We're just looking forward is the talking point.” [06:05]

2. Trump's Foreign Policy and Middle East Engagements

A significant portion of the episode focuses on former President Donald Trump's active role in Middle Eastern affairs and the purported successes of his administration's foreign policies.

• Middle East Investments and Deals:
  Clay praises Trump's efforts to bring substantial Middle Eastern investments into the U.S. economy, citing commitments like $600 billion from Saudi Arabia and a target of $1 trillion in direct investments.
  “They have not all of a sudden become, look at what they did... but we need to talk about what he's doing.” [06:33]

• Normalization with Syria:
  Buck commends Trump's move to normalize relations with Syria, viewing it as a strategic isolation of Iran and a potential step towards regional stabilization.
  “Syria is not going to care. Certainly Saudi Arabia doesn't want a nuclear-powered Iran.” [29:48]

• Comparison with Past Administrations:
  The hosts contrast Trump's decisive actions with what they perceive as the Biden administration's failures, particularly regarding Iran and Afghanistan.
  “The Obama administration... created a disaster.” [33:12]

3. Sean "Puffy" Combs' Legal Battle

The trial of Sean "Puffy" Combs is another focal point, with Clay and Buck analyzing the prosecution's strategy and its implications.

• Prosecution's Tactics:
  Cassie Hunt explains that the prosecution is aiming to paint Combs as a "bad guy" early on to influence jury perceptions.
  “They're trying to draw that distinction. So now everything is going to be colored by that.” [40:22]

• Potential Defense Strategies:
  Buck suggests that starting with personal relationships might offer Combs a strong defense, portraying any alleged misconduct as consensual or transactional.
  “If you were the defense attorney, do you think that the fact that he got eight men...” [45:33]

• Implications of RICO Charges:
  The discussion touches on the seriousness of RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) charges and how they could elevate the case beyond typical criminal accusations.
  “The charges here, he's the only guy charged and you have a RICO allegation here...” [42:54]

4. HUD and the Trump Administration's Housing Policies

In a segment with HUD Secretary Scott Turner, the show shifts focus to housing policies under the Trump administration.

• Restoration of Biological Definitions in HUD Policies:
  Turner emphasizes the rollback of Biden-era rules, asserting that HUD-funded facilities will now be restricted to biological males and females, aligning with what he describes as "biological truth."
  “If you are a biological female, you are allowed to go into female HUD funded shelters.” [55:56]

• Housing Affordability Initiatives:
  The administration aims to address housing shortages by removing burdensome regulations and promoting local control over housing policies.
  “We've been working really hard in tearing down rules such as the affirmatively furthering fair housing rule.” [60:12]

• Economic and Community Development:
  Turner discusses the anticipated economic benefits of returning the Redskins (now the Commanders) to their original stadium location in D.C., highlighting potential community and commercial growth.
  “From an economic development and a community development standpoint, this will make an impact...” [58:34]

5. General Political Commentary and Current Events

Throughout the episode, Clay and Buck intersperse their analysis with commentary on various sports events and promotions, maintaining engagement with their audience.

• Sports Discussions:
  They touch upon ongoing NBA and NHL playoffs, expressing support and enthusiasm for their favorite teams.
  “My New York Knicks never miss an opportunity.” [63:08]

• Promotions and Advertisements:
  The episode includes brief segments promoting products and services such as PricePicks and Good Ranchers, strategically placed between discussions. These segments are acknowledged but not detailed in this summary.

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Conclusion

The May 14, 2025 episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show offers a robust critique of current political dynamics, with particular emphasis on media practices, Biden administration policies, and Trump's foreign engagements. Additionally, the show provides an in-depth look into the legal challenges faced by Sean Combs, reflecting broader concerns about accountability and media influence in high-profile cases. Through engaging discussions and pointed commentary, Clay and Buck aim to inform and influence their listeners' perspectives on unfolding political and legal matters.

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Note: All timestamps correspond to the podcast transcript provided and are included to highlight notable quotes within the summary.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

The things that happened were so bizarre.

[Cassie Hunt]

And insane I can't begin to tell you.

[Clay Travis]

Please do.

[Leon Nayfak]

To hear the whole story. Listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Buck Sexton]

Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with all of us. We have got a loaded for you. We'll head into the Trump cabinet at 1:30 with Scott Turner who is a House and Urban Development Cabinet member. And then at 2:30 we're going to talk about the really kind of interesting ongoing trial. I'm not even sure what his official name is now Diddy of Sean Puffy Combs that is currently taking place in New York City. It is not on television. If it were I think it would be must see television because some of the revelations coming out are damaging personally certainly to Sean Diddy Combs. But is he going to be sentenced to the rest of his life in prison. We'll get into that with Paul Murrow who has been watching that trial. But Buck, here's the reality. The media is ashamed and they are so ashamed that they are actually and embarrassed that they are actually turning into something you never would have thought you would see. That is Democrat attackers. They're actually asking questions of the Democrats out there. And I think this drumbeat is going to continue for some time as the Biden revelations continue to come out. Yesterday we told you that there was a discussion about having to put Biden in a wheelchair and that Biden didn't recognize George Clooney. Chuck Schumer got asked about this. Now remember there was a big New York Times piece that Chuck Schumer was one of the people who finally forced Joe Biden to step down. He went to his house at Rehoboth beach, had a face to face meeting with him. There is some discussion that there might have been an ultimatum given then where Schumer said hey, if you don't step down, I'm going to go public and say that I think you should step down. You don't have any support inside of the Senate Democratic caucus by and large. Well, he was asked, Chuck Schumer was hey, do you feel some responsibility for lying about Joe Biden's mental and physical condition? And, and this is what it sounded like. This has gone mega viral. Chuck Schumer not having a good few weeks in the public eye. Listen, to cut to.

[Clay Travis]

Precedent, building influence.

[Cassie Hunt]

To make progress on key priorities.

[Clay Travis]

That same month Biden apparently did not even recognize George Clooney a fundraiser. Were you being straight with the American public? Look, we're just looking forward.

[Buck Sexton]

We're just looking forward is the talking point. Here's another one. This is cnn. Suddenly the journalists have been embarrassed they were in on the COVID up but they are pretending that they were not and they are holding Democrats feet to the fire. Here is Cassie Hunt grilling Chuck Schumer on Biden's mental state. I think this is from a while back next to Biden in The Oval Office February 27, 2024, just a handful of months before the president took that debate stage. I'm interested to know whether the man that you saw sitting there on that couch on that day, you were in there, you saw him up close. Did you really not have any idea that he was not fit to serve a second term?

[Clay Travis]

Casey, we're looking forward. We have the largest Medicaid cut in front of us. We have the whole Federal government. You're facing all of this because you.

[Buck Sexton]

Lost a presidential election. And is that not Joe Biden's responsibility for deciding to run again?

[Clay Travis]

We're looking forward.

[Buck Sexton]

That's it.

[Clay Travis]

That's it.

[Buck Sexton]

And then, Buck, this is, I don't think this is going to play very well. Hakeem Jeffries, who is the minority leader in the House, who would be the House speaker if Democrats are able to take back control of the chamber in the midterm, also asked the same questions. Here he is. Cut four.

[Clay Travis]

There's a number of different revelations coming out about President Joe Biden's decline. Recent books.

[Cassie Hunt]

Is it helpful for your caucus for.

[Clay Travis]

These to come out now? And would you want Biden to campaign for House Democrats?

[Paul Morrow]

We're not looking backward. We're looking forward at this particular moment in time.

[Buck Sexton]

All right. We're looking forward. Buck is we're looking forward. Going to suffice. And here's why I do think it's significant. It we're in the middle of the big beautiful bill being worked through right now. Congress. Almost no one is talking about that. Almost everyone is talking about the timing here of this book revelation.

[Clay Travis]

And Biden and Trump's big trip to the Middle east still underway. Huge deals being negotiated, financial deals for this country's economy, peace deals. He met with the new head of Syria, formerly in al Qaeda and had a $10 million bounty on his head. But now him and Trump are hanging out chatting. You know, it's a crazy world we live in.

[Buck Sexton]

Quite a comeback.

[Clay Travis]

Quite a comeback. Not quite a Trump level comeback, but I mean, that's a pretty big comeback. So we shall see what comes out of all of that. But yes, Clay, in the meantime, here's what I see happening. The Democrats, I don't think there's a strategy with this, really. I think that they know that they have to go through some internal purge and there's going to be a lot of finger pointing. Generally, this can go one of two ways, because nobody wants to be accountable and nobody wants to be held responsible for this enormous lie. And I want us to be very clear. We know Clay knows. I know you know, it was an op, as in an information operation, as in they all knew that Biden couldn't do this. They just figured maybe we can keep the charade going long enough to just squeak out one more win. And no one thought Biden was, nobody thought Biden was going to do all four years. That I can, I can assure you, like, there's not a single person I don't even think Biden believed that.

[Buck Sexton]

But I hate to say this book, and I said it before on the air, I'm not sure Biden's going to be alive by the time we get I hate to say it, but I'm not sure he's going to be alive by the time we get to 2029.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you, Captain Bummer.

[Buck Sexton]

But yeah, I just, I mean his deterioration not only been unable I just, I don't think he's going to be alive at the next.

[Clay Travis]

I don't want to hand a talking point to the other side, but it is true in any of you who have dealt with older rel or perhaps you've seen this, if you've been fortunate enough to, you know, live into your golden years yourself, aging is not linear. Once you get past, you know, 6, 60, 70, meaning you can have a few years where everything seems like it's pretty much, I think, stable, and then you can decline pretty rapidly because of health issues. Right. So that's one of the arguments that they're trotting out already. I would note that they're saying, oh, but it happened so quickly, like he was great and then just in the election year. That's a lie. That's not true. We all knew for all four years. But Clay, generally the move here is you either scapegoat or you do the we are all to blame, right? The collective. Which means when, when there's collective blame, nobody is to blame. I know this from the CIA, like when it's the institution or the machine or whatever, that's just a way of, you know, remember that guy who came forward after nine, 11? I can't remember. Was it in Richard Clark, who had been the national security advisor and all the Democrats were like, look at him taking blame for this. I'm like, the guy was on a book tour and he's like, we failed you. It's like no one actually thought that he failed them, but it was a big pound his chest moment. Right? We failed you means nothing. So there may be that move for the Democrats that I think is the likeliest. And you'll see that even from some of the journos who are going around now making these arguments because what they wanted to do was the scapegoat. The problem is Biden as the scapegoat doesn't make sense because as you and I have discussed, they should have known and pushed him out earlier. They were in on this. What they want people to believe is that Biden had everybody fooled and that they didn't know until the last minute. And in good faith they were just supporting their nominee. The reality is they were in on the heist. Their fingerprints are all over it, too. And so that's why the scapegoat maneuver, which would have been easy, which is Biden is the problem, isn't really working. Because if Biden was the problem, we all knew he had these problems. Why did you go along with it until the debate?

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not sure. By the way, let's grab this audio if you would, boys and girls. I went on with Sean Hannity last night. I'm not sure your boy Tapper is going to come on the show after what I said about him on Fox News last night. And I tagged him. I don't want to run and hide, but we played Sean did the clip of him going after Lara Trump when she said quite succinctly that Biden didn't have the mental or physical capacity to be president. And Tapper said, oh, this is disgraceful. You're going after him because he has a stutter. We played that clip yesterday on the program and I do think there is now a major discussion. It's not only that the media was complicit, it's in the media's profiting on both sides, right? I mean, you say, hey, Biden's still the guy and you make money off your advertisers. As soon as Biden's not the guy, you show up with a knife and gut him when he's already basically, this.

[Clay Travis]

Is why I said the oj. This is like the OJ book. If I did it, here's how I did it. And it was so appalling that everybody finally, I think, was totally done with, with any belief in OJ's innocence. If you were dumb enough to think he was innocent up to that point, which very few people were. But I think it was just the grotesque nature of, oh, now you're going to make, make money off of millions.

[Buck Sexton]

Of dollars, probably off of your, your grotesque inadequacy in covering him. Now you say, hey, they're to blame, and now you make money on that side, too.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I think you've stumbled onto something that is critical and I want everybody, because Tapper is a very shifty fellow. I have known through his work and we have had exchanges and they have not been friendly for the most part. He's very shifty and I'm hearing now he's like, oh, well, maybe I could have done more or something. They're going to try to Massage this. And he's going to be the poster. The poster boy, so to speak. He's going to be the. Oh, I'm leading back into a new era of objective and neutral journalism. Right. This is the brand play. You take a slap on the wrist and then you come back. No, no, no. No accountability on this. Accountability would mean you don't actually ever believe these people again because when it really mattered, they lied to you and they knew they were lying to you. Right. If somebody, Clay, if somebody, you know, cheats in the stock industry, right. If somebody's engaged in, you get a. You get an industry ban. You look at this issue and the people who were part of the Biden, you know, the Biden cover up, essentially, of his dementia, they're all planning to stay in this business forever. And as you point out, even to get rich on it, that's. That's not accountability at all. And I'd also note this. You're hearing about the White House. Oh, the White House covered this up.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. You tweeted this. And it's a really good argument.

[Clay Travis]

Who?

[Buck Sexton]

Yep.

[Cassie Hunt]

Who?

[Clay Travis]

Tell us specifically, I don't want White House aides. This is, again, the thing about collective guilt. I don't want people were saying in the White House that he was sharp as a tack behind closed doors. Name the names. If you won't do that, it's clear. It's because you were in on it and you don't want your coconspirators to out.

[Buck Sexton]

You name the names. And also, the secondary part of this, which I think becomes incredibly important, is who was the actual president? You know, if you actually want to do a deep dive on the lies that were told surrounding Biden, then we also need to be asking the question, okay, if we believe, and I think you and I, and we've asked this question quite a lot on the program, but I would encourage the larger media ecosystem that has suddenly realized what we've been saying for years. Biden didn't have the mental or physical capacity. We asked this question, who's the actual president? Who was making most of the major decisions in 2023 and 2024? Was it Joe Biden? Was it Fricking Hunter Biden? Was it chief of staff advisors? Who was the person basically deciding what American policy was? And if you think that that's not an important question, I would submit to you, it may be the most important question. Because whatever you think about Trump right now, look at how rapidly he's moving. We need to talk about what he's doing. In the Middle east, it has the potential to be revolutionary in a positive way in terms of bringing more peace and prosperity to that region in a way that I don't know that we've seen an American president who is trying to balance relationships in a positive way with Israel, but also with good faith actors in the Middle East. And there are some trying to marshal those actors on both sides of the Israeli and Arab conflict and find a way to have a more lasting peace in that region. Maybe it is improbable. I'm not sure that it's impossible. And Trump is really, I think, doing a hell of a job right now as he travels around in the Middle East. Could Biden have done any of this? No. Could Kamala have done any of this? No, I don't think so.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, look, I think that this is now where we have to see what the opposition is going to form into. This is where we see what their plan is. But I can assure you they have, they're running a playbook here. They have not all of a sudden become, look at what they did, you know, out of one side of their mouth, it's, oh, maybe we missed this Biden thing. And then you see the dnc, have they voted David Hogg out already? Has that already occurred or is that in process?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, because he's a white male and it didn't comply with diversity requirements. But I don't know, really.

[Clay Travis]

It's because he said the Democrat Party doesn't allow guys to, like, go have fun, drink beers and like, chase women or something like that. And I remember we said it, I said, oh, he sounds almost normal. They're like, get out of here. You get out of here.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, that's true. Totally true.

[Clay Travis]

So they're not normal, everybody. The Democrats have not become normal. They're still insane. And their media propagandists have not. All of a sudden, you know, they have not found the light. Ok, so we are onto it. We are not fooled. We'll keep talking about it. Also, Trump's Mideast trip. Every dollar you spend counts. And if there's a way to save nearly $1,000 a year, it's worth looking into, right? Well, PureTalk is there for you. They offer the same nationwide 5G service as you might get from AT&T T Mobile or Verizon. And that's because PureTalk utilizes the same towers and networks. The only difference is that PureTalk charges you much less for similar service. How can they do that? PureTalk doesn't have the same overhead costs. No, brick and mortar stores. For example, right now you can get a brand new Samsung Galaxy from PureTalk for free with a qualifying plan that starts at just $35 a month. Gives you unlimited talk text, 15 gigs of data and mobile hotspot on America's most dependable 5G network. Switch to Pure Talk for $35 a month, cut your cell phone bill in half and get a brand new Samsung Galaxy for free. Dial pound 250, say the keywords clay and buck. PureTalk's US customer service team can help you switch in as little as 10 minutes. Dial £250, say the keywords clay and Buck to make the switch today.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

That never sounded so good.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Leon Nayfak]

In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.

[Cassie Hunt]

Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir?

[Buck Sexton]

No.

[Leon Nayfak]

No one was letting it became known as the Iran Contra affair and I'm.

[Scott Turner]

Not taking any more questions. In just a second I'm going to ask.

[Leon Nayfak]

I'm Leon Naifak, co creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast Fiasco Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today.

[Clay Travis]

The things that happened were so bizarre.

[Cassie Hunt]

And insane I can't begin to tell you.

[Clay Travis]

Please do.

[Leon Nayfak]

To hear the whole story. Listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Clay Travis]

Trump is not tired of winning. He is on a world tour. Well, a Mideast tour, but a World tour of winning, if you, you will. And he's talking about a lot of things that are going to be, I think, big wins for the country, which is the most important thing of all. So we got about $600 billion of Saudi investment, I think, that he says has been now committed to the US he's trying to pick up a trillion dollars of direct investment from foreign countries in the Mideast into the United States stock market. Oh, man, it's looking so good. All of a sudden, everyone, their 401 s. I remember a few weeks ago, these are people's retirements you're destroying. Right. I mean, the whole thing and eggs.

[Buck Sexton]

Two buck, like inflation, all of the things that they have tried to turn into, like, sort of things to weigh down the Trump presidency with, they've all collapsed. Eggs are coming back down. I saw this morning, I was reading this is the biggest drop in egg prices in a month since 1984. The stock market is now positive for the year, which is, hey, what are you going to argue there? We got to your point. Middle east, like, everything they try to hit him with, it just blows back up in their face.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. I mean, and they're, they're talking so much about this, the jet gift thing. You know, it's, I'm just going to tell you, it's just hard for me to pretend to care enough about these things when they get. What about the emoluments clause? Okay, well, I remember when the Washington Post was writing stories about how the emoluments clause was in violation. Do you remember this, Clay? At the Trump Hotel? Because they did an analysis and there were foreign, basically embassy staff, ambassadors, whatever, who were eating and drinking at the Trump Hotel. And they were saying this is a violation because if the attache from Madagascar has a bacon cheeseburger, maybe he can get Trump to change foreign policy. Like, it was crazy stuff that they were pushing now. Yeah. A $300 million jet is, is a, is much, a much bigger gift than the, the profit margin on a cheeseburger when you own a hotel and they have to pay the staff and everything. My point merely being it's just hard at this point. How much am I going to sit around and, oh, my gosh, you see what he's doing, Trump, the hysteria stuff. I can't, I just, I can't do it right. I can't get myself to care about these things that they're trying to tell us to care so much about. But we should look at some of the other wins that Trump has racked up. You see, a federal judge has ruled in favor of the Alien Enemies. Alien Enemies act. Deportation. The Milwaukee county judge, Hannah Dugan, remember her?

[Buck Sexton]

The.

[Clay Travis]

I'm going to hide the illegal in my courtroom because federal law doesn't apply to me. As some, you know, rinky dink judge up in, up in Wisconsin, she is. She has been indicted by a grand jury for basically aiding and abetting a, you know, a person who's on the run in her courtroom. I think that's a win. So you've got all this. You got inflation lower than expected. I think we mentioned that yesterday, but it came in at what, like 2.4% or something? Inflation. Just imagine what this economy starts to look like as you get more trade deals, Clay, and a few basis points get dropped from this or, you know, they start dropping rates. Just put it, put it simply, I think these are all the kinds of wins that Trump is going to be able to, to rack up. And, and then there's also the drug price. Look, Trump was on with our friend Sean Hannity last night. Sean's traveling with him through the Middle East. I thought this was really interesting. He's talking about opening up China to US businesses. This is cut 13. Play it. One of the things I think that could be most exciting for us and also for China is that we're trying to open up China because, as you know, many years ago we opened up the usa. Now it's time for China to open up, and that's part of our deal and we're going to open up China. To me, that's the most exciting part. But, yeah, we made a deal. The relationship is very good. I've always had a good relationship with President Xi. It was interrupted because of COVID obviously. But outside of that, I've always had a great relationship, a lot of respect for him, and we'll see how that all works out. But we have the confines of a very, very strong deal with China. Clay, as we get more details about this, we're very, we don't really have any details right now, but they're going to have to provide something. We're going to hear more about this. I think that, look, I don't want to get ahead of things, but it just feels like the Trump team is simultaneously firing on all cylinders and also keeping things pretty much on schedule. You know, they're moving at the pace that they said they'd be moving and getting things done the way they said they would from the start.

[Buck Sexton]

Let's just think about this, because you worked in the CIA. You've spent a lot of time overseas. One of the big criticisms of Trump for much of his political career is that he isn't able to handle foreign affairs. That that's probably one of the. We're going to get into World War Three. He has no idea what he's doing. Let's just think, Buck, in the last week, what he has helped to accomplish. First of all, Marco Rubio is doing an amazing job. He has 48 different jobs inside of the government right now. But it didn't get very much attention. You mentioned it on the show quite a lot last week. But I do think it's significant that India and Pakistan, not really great historic friends, they, they were in danger of having a conflict spiral out of control. Trump engaged in some form of mediation to help settle that situation down in potentially tomorrow in Istanbul, we may have the first face to face meeting between Zelensky and Putin since Putin invaded Ukraine in what, February or March of 2022, whenever that initial invasion started, if I remember correctly. And they are only meeting there, according to reports, if Trump will show up. So they're begging Trump to go to Istanbul. Uh, we also have Trump normalizing relations with Syria, which is being seen even by Trump critics as a potential stroke of genius that could massively aid stabilization in the Middle east by cutting off the long term relationship of Iran, which was basically using Syria as a proxy terror state and helping along with Russia to prop up Assad, the dictator who has now been removed. Okay, I'm just kind of giving people a little bit of a rundown here. You get the final American terrorist who's been held for something like 580 days, Edon Alexander, hostage, sorry, held by terrorists. Edon Alexander, the final American innocent back. And you also potentially get the trade deal done with China. Any one of those that I just ran through would be typically huge, monumental one week or more stories. Trump has done them all. Not to mention getting trillions of dollars potentially in aid and commitment from Middle Eastern countries like the uae, like Qatar, like Saudi Arabia, to invest in American business. That seems like a pretty good, pretty good few days.

[Clay Travis]

And I do think as well, you can already lay out more initiatives, conversations, ideas that have. Some of it has already. I mean, I view the border is actually a international relations issue. Right. We think of it very much as it's so much tied in. It's the economy, it's domestic and national security, it's all these different things, but especially when you have a border clay that had almost 200 nations, people arriving at illegally. I think the final number from border patrol I saw was like 180 something, right? I mean, there's not that many countries. Countries in the world. So you got illegals from all over the world, and now they're trying to figure out how to get them back. And that requires foreign relations, and that requires using pressure, carrots and sticks. And that has already been a massive success. That alone is more than I can attest to for four years of the Biden administration sending the absolutely hapless and professionally worthless. Maybe he's a nice man. Professionally worthless. Anthony Blinken, as Secretary of State. To do what? I mean, if you. We sit here and we talk so much about Biden's dementia, it's worth remembering, everyone, this. This team was president for four years. What is the one win that you can point to on foreign policy? And I know some of you are already shouting, look at the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. How they did that. No, we all know that. I'm saying, you find me the one win that they have on the world stage that you could point what getting us embroiled in the endless supplying of a war between Russia and Ukraine, that Russia is slowly winning and choking off Ukraine and killing a generation of Ukrainian fighters. Like, what exactly was Biden able to accomplish? And I mean, his team, really, because we all know about Biden himself. And then you see what Trump is claimed. We're 100 and, I don't know, 120 or something days into the administration or less than that. And already you're talking about a true strategic shift in our relationship with China, which is. I mean, the EU is the largest economy in the world. Right. But if we break it down, it's us and then it's China by nation state. That's a big deal. And we're not even talking about this stuff from the Mideast and the trillion dollars of investment that he's gonna be bringing in from there.

[Buck Sexton]

I also think. And it has not been recognized, and probably that's because a lot of people are morons, he's also now strategically really isolated Iran and given himself substantial leeway when it comes to negotiating this new deal. And let me explain in basically one minute what I mean by this. Syria is now going to be viewing Trump as a hero. They certainly view Saudi Arabia as heroic for helping to get them off of the sanctions list.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I was going to say he pulled off the sanctions, which means Syria now has a chance. Let's see what this country can do. Let's see what the new leadership of Syria can do. There's been a big opening here for them. You know, you want to, you want to do good things. Trump's going to bring good things to you. You want to play stupid games, you're going to win stupid prizes.

[Buck Sexton]

Great relationship, even better maybe than it's ever been with Saudi Arabia, the uae, Qatar, Syria. We know that historically Israel is an ally of the United States. I would submit to you that Trump has now given himself the leeway, if necessary, to have strikes against Iran and not have other parts of the Middle east react and say, oh my goodness, what in the world is Trump doing? Iran is really, really isolated now because Syria is not going to care. Certainly Saudi Arabia doesn't want a nuclear powered Iran. The UAE doesn't want that. Qatar doesn't want that. Israel, Israel doesn't want that. They may be coming from different perspectives, but they're all aligned now with the United States in the Middle East. We have managed to kind of, in the Ghostbusters analogy, buck bring cats and dogs together to marshal them against Iran. And you've been over there. When's the last time you even heard a story about Iraq? Yeah, I mean, what, I don't, I mean, I'm going to be honest, you used to read 20 stories a day about what was going on in Iraq when we were spending, wasting unfortunately trillions of dollars on Iraq. I can't even tell you what is going on in Iraq. Do you have any, I don't really have any clue. Remember when we killed Soleimani? It was, oh my God, World War three is going to happen. I don't remember the last time Iraq had any sort of major say on the larger geopolitical stage.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I mean, you haven't seen an Iraq story in quite some time. I think it's kind of limping along as a country, but it has certainly, yeah, it's dropped out of the headlines. I can't even think of the last story that we talked about on the show about Iraq, but on the Iran isolation from the world. I mean, the problem, and I think you can see this very clearly, the Obama administration essentially gave up all other possible wins in the Middle east and created a disaster. I mean, I would clay I could do a three hour show right now off the top of my head on what a disaster Obama's foreign policy, which Biden was in charge of, by the way, allegedly that what a disaster Obama's foreign policy was. And even Democrats, some of them were like, this is just, I can't, this is so indefensible and on so many levels, it was atrocious. But it was all to get Iran further enmeshed in the international system, give them essentially inducements for better behavior. It did not work. Iran did not behave better. And I know people say, oh, well, Trump got us out of it. Yeah. Because he saw where this was going. He saw what the inducements got us, which is this. This is a corrupt and evil regime. There's no, there's no turning it around with them now. This is who the mullahs are, so to speak. It's who the IRGC is. And there, I think, is just the understanding that Trump has on foreign policy of who are friends, who are enemies, how do we treat them? Do they know the difference? And the answer with Trump to those questions is quite clear. I think.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that's 100% right.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck with some law enforcement and legal expertise here. Our friend Paul Morrow is back, former NYPD inspector. He's an attorney as well, founder of Ops Desk.org and a Fox News contributor. Inspector Morrow, great to have you back on the show, sir.

[Cassie Hunt]

Great to be with you guys.

[Clay Travis]

All right, so I know it's early stages. You might have heard a little bit of what we were talking about before with the Sean Combs trial, a lot of really grotesque stuff, salacious stuff that is considered, I think, a matter of fact and public record now on both sides. But is it going to be able to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it is criminal? What are you seeing so far? How are you viewing the likelihood of, well, whichever outcome here in this trial?

[Cassie Hunt]

So what I'm seeing is the prosecutor's strategy, right. And it's way, way too early, I would argue, to be able to come to some sort of a conclusion as to the likelihood of his conviction. What the prosecution very clearly is doing is establishing right up front that as you guys put it, not a good guy. Okay. And that the acts involved here are horrific. That in and of itself, however, does not supply enough beyond a reasonable doubt for a conviction. But by establishing that right up from the get go, first of all, you shade, you color the perceptions of the jury going forward in regard to everything here. That's kind of going on in the Karen Reid case as well, by the way. But you got to remember something. The charges here, he's the only guy charged and you have a RICO allegation here along with some other charges. And that means that there are other members of the organization and they were not charged, which means almost certainly there's some flips coming. And that is to say, people that are members of this organization who are going to come in and they're going to button up in the prosecution's mind, they're going to button up the piece that you guys are saying is potentially missing. And I'm not disagreeing with you. We just haven't gotten to it yet. You're going to have testimony, I would argue, where they are going to put forth the idea that he had an organization, that it was coercive. And then there's all this other stuff marbled throughout it, including guns, drugs, physical assaults. There's even some allegations of arson. It's going to get very, very volatile, very lurid. And that's where they're going to put their meat on the bones of the indictment as it's written.

[Buck Sexton]

Why do you think they started with Cassie, his girlfriend? She is the first witness bringing the case because to me that is the most salacious. But it actually, and I'm curious how you would analyze this, is one that he might have the best defense for because she was with him for a decade. And if you truly felt like you were being mistreated, I think most people. Right. I think most people out there, if they were in a decade long relationship and you kept in that relationship, a lot of people would say, hey, she had to have consented to a lot of this. She wasn't necessarily coerced. Right. To me, starting with this actually offers him the best defense. Whereas if they had started with, hey, let me get into some of the particulars of what we think were criminal behavior, maybe by people who were his former colleagues, former coworkers, people that he employed, it actually looks more like a clinical crime than a broken relationship, clearly between a guy and a girlfriend.

[Cassie Hunt]

Yeah, I mean, I think that's a very smart observation because you're right, that is very much the dynamic in this. And we've seen that from the get go because notice that Combs defense. Okay, who Is Mark Igniflo, by the way, a very, very competent and experienced attorney. His wife, Karen Ignifolo, is actually the defense attorney for the Mangione case. She's got Mangione. So they're well known here in New York City criminal circles. They both work for the Manhattan DA's office. Probably around when you were there. Buck with us in New York.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, yeah.

[Cassie Hunt]

But that's it. Yeah. So, you know, they've been around and they know. And he's a very competent attorney. He's a lot of high profile cases. So, you know, he's got very good representation here. But what he's done, Clay, is what the prosecution has done. Excuse me, which is a. Two female prosecutors are the heart of the team, one of whom, by the way, is the daughter of James Comey. Not James Comey, his daughter is one of the prosecutors. So this stuff is all very New York at this point. But one of the things they're going to do now is to confront the dynamic, Clay, that you're talking about subsequent to Cassie. And as I said, what they did up front is just put the black hat on Combs. They made him a bad guy to the point that even his defense had to say, hey, you know what is a bad guy? He's a domestic abuser. But that doesn't make him a RICO perp. That doesn't make him a sex trafficker. Right. They're trying to draw that distinction. So now everything is going to be colored by that. But the question you pose is now what the prosecution has to overcome, which is, was it simply transactional? Was Caskey hanging around when she had ample opportunity to get away? Was she hanging around because she was getting something out of it? And this whole thing was kind of consensual, which is going to be the defense. And that occurs, that dynamic occurs in all these cases. We saw it in Epstein and we saw it in Weinstein. You know, in the Harvey Weinstein case, you had a similar thing. Right. Like I was all transactionally. I knew what they were getting into. And this comes down to a little bit of the evolution of America's sort of perception of these things. You're seeing it in the Menendez case, where the argument is, and it's been a winning argument so far to my shock, that we have progressed over the decades in our understanding of certain dynamics in these things, and as a result, we understand them better and we have to treat them differently. And so it's going to come down to exactly, I think what you have put on the table which is how much the other members of Combs organization. Because I'm telling you, that's who's coming here. Because it's a rico, right? There's going to be other members of the organization. They're not charged. So where is everybody? They're coming on the prosecution's case and they're going to have to say he had control of her, she didn't have independent will, he threatened her, he beat her up, she didn't feel like she could leave. And you can have all kinds of other allegations about how he controlled this organization. And that's going to be where the rubber hits the road.

[Clay Travis]

Well, you know, Paul, this goes to my next question for you, which my understanding here, and this was from early on in the case and I checked to make sure they already know that they found illegal drugs a lot. The quote, large quantities of cocaine and meth and illegal firearms. That's actually something I do know quite a bit about. Because if you've got illegal firearms, it was down here in Florida. It was actually in Miami is where I live. And I think he had the serial numbers filed off on some AR15s. A big, big no, no. Now this, this comes up in the RICO case. But if they've got him on those, can they just get him separately on those illegal possession charges? And I ask because also to me it indicates they must think they've got something really good on him. Right. Cuz back in the day, if they can get him on the illegal drugs and illegal guns, why not just put them away for years on that? They must think that they can prove this conspiracy at a higher level.

[Cassie Hunt]

Yeah, another smart question. So understand something. He's got other charges. Everybody is focusing on the RICO charge because that's the thing that tracks to like the Mafia, Gravano, Flip Dongwatti. We've all heard those stories. But there are other charges here. I'm going to point one of them out. One of them is that there isn't a gun charge here in the superseding indictment. There is a drug charge, however. All right, he's got a drug distribution charge. So there is that. And that's recent because that's from when the HSI did the raid. Right. He's also got an obstruction charge and that almost certainly goes to the 2016 thing where he tells Izzy Flores, the head, the manager, don't do anything with this tape. You got to cover up this tape. Somehow or other, they brought the statute on that forward. I'd be curious to see how they do that. But Relative to these other charges that appear, those remain on the table as an option for him. And you know, the one that's actually more serious than the RICO is the sex trafficking case. Because. And here's why. And this is the thing I want to tease out. This is 18 title, 18 USC 1591. Anybody can look it up. It's not. It sounds very lawyerly. Just look those numbers up. This is sex trafficking of a minor, and that's trouble for him because that carries life and the statute.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm sorry to cut you off on that. Who is the minor? Do we know anything about that?

[Cassie Hunt]

You know, I don't. And that's not going to a very good chance. You're not going to hear that name because obviously it's a minor. So we may hear in some vague terms, and I don't know if the person is going to testify, but 18, 15, 91, which nobody's really talking about it. I looked for the. For this interview, I had a lot of same questions you guys do. So I started looking into the actual indictment. I pulled down the PDF as opposed to talking about it off of People magazine, and I see that it jumps right out of me.

[Clay Travis]

So who's this?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, no kidding. I didn't know that.

[Cassie Hunt]

In the mix.

[Buck Sexton]

Let me ask you this. Eight men, four women on the jury. Am I a awful. And the answer may be very much yes. Awful, sexist, mischovenist. If I'm diddy, I want as many men on this trial as I can get, because I think guys are more, more likely in New York City to look at this and be like, hey, these women are getting on these planes. They're consenting to travel all over the world to go to diddy parties. They weren't just getting flown around for free. They understood that. Again, this is what I'm arguing. If I'm the defense attorney, do you think that the fact that he got eight men, knowing that he only needs one to refuse to convict. Right. To say, hey, this is reasonable doubt. If you were the defense attorney, would you want more men on this jury than women? Do you think that draw is better for him?

[Cassie Hunt]

Yeah, I mean, look, you know, that probably makes me an awful, terrible, horrible, sexist person as well. But it also means that we're both living in the real world, right?

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Cassie Hunt]

The answer would be yes, of course. Now, that said, as I said earlier, you know, the understanding of these sorts of things have very much evolved. And I don't think there's any denying that as a society, we appreciate the Community control that an abuser can have over the abused. And our, our understanding of that dynamic has come a long, long way. So, you know, I. It's a very blanket statement and we have to be careful with how we frame that. But yeah, of course, because women are just going to be more understanding of that situation they may have experienced themselves and not, you know, it's not always men controlling women. It can be the reverse. But let's speak factually. Generally it is one, especially when it's physical. You know, it's men over women. This goes almost to the argument of men and women's sports. Men just have stronger bodies in a general sense and blah, blah, blah. You guys know this. So, yeah, you're thinking in terms of men who are going to look at this thing and say to themselves, this was transactional. Cassie, so far anyway, is the main witness here and she stayed with him for 11 years. How is that possible? There must have been a point where she could have gotten out of the limo, run into the police station and spoken her piece. And she didn't do that until years later when she decides to file a civil suit which carries a monetary imperative. Right. There's a motive embedded in that, that she's going to get paid. And you know, not coincidentally, her, her records, her music wasn't exactly number one at that point. So there's going to be this implication that she did it for money. And ultimately she was, she got what she wanted. He settled the day after, as you guys said. So, yeah. And it just comes down to whether the jury buys it. And, you know, there's also the reverse. Some of the men may feel like, you know what, I got to make sure that I don't come across as the guy you're talking about, Clay. And so maybe they're going to lean more into being protective.

[Buck Sexton]

Let me ask you.

[Cassie Hunt]

And others. So we'll see.

[Buck Sexton]

Let me ask you this, Paul, because you hit on it. He settled this case one day after the civil suit was filed. Leave aside the criminal. The only reason he's getting charged criminally is because that civil case went public. He settled it for reportedly eight figures. Is this one of the all time miscalculations that you can think of? The guy's a billionaire. If he settles this case, he had the opportunity to before it ever went public. None of this probably ensues because the entire case seems to have been a roadmap based on that civil complaint. Complaint. What a colossal miscalculation this was. Especially because you already went ahead and settled it. For, for, you know, 10, for $10 million or more. The day after it was filed.

[Cassie Hunt]

Yeah. You know, look, we don't know the backstory, and there almost certainly is one. I would suspect that in light of the blizzard of civil suits that resulted from his settlement with her, and it's just been a steamroller, you know, it's been an ongoing thing. He may have decided that he was being blackmailed, and he may have said to himself, you know what? Look, I just gave her 10 million. Now people that I said hello to in the street are coming after me for 10 million alleging that I did this, something similar. And I have to stop here at some point and just say, you know what? I can't do it. I have to call BS because this could go on forever. And even a billionaire like me, you know, I could be bankrupt. He didn't put out any music for a long time. He had put out a more recent album, and he was kind of like, the way I read it, and I'm, you know, look, I don't follow hip hop real close. I don't think that's any shock to anybody. But even I was aware of the fact that he was kind of in the twilight of his career. He wasn't one of the more relevant names. He had been at one point the real cultural icon. Those days were over. And so he may have taken a look at his money and had a. He was supporting two, three houses. He may have said, I can't do this indefinitely. And so I'm going to fight it tooth and nail. I'm not sure he ever saw it going like this, though, because I have a feeling that if he could have it back, he would. He certainly did not expect that HSI rate on his home in la.

[Clay Travis]

All right, Paul Morrow, great to talk to you, as always. Thanks for chatting with us here about it. We'll have you back on as this thing progresses.

[Cassie Hunt]

Thank you, guys. And listen, all of you out there. Friday's at 3, the Karen Reed case on Fox Nation. Tune in. We're covering a different case with a lot of lower details as well. Hope to see you there.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Cassie Hunt]

Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir?

[Scott Turner]

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[Leon Nayfak]

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[Scott Turner]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Cassie Hunt]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Have now the HUD secretary, Scott Turner. Mr. Secretary Turner, good to have you on, sir.

[Paul Morrow]

Hey, great to be with you guys. Clay and Buck. So thankful for you guys having me on.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, we appreciate you, sir. So let's dive into this. How does, how does HUD play in the realm of the men and women's sports issue? Something we talk about here a lot on the show. I mean, I know that there's a Biden equal access rule and that affects HUD funded providers like Shelter Services and others. How has the policy changed when it comes to HUD on men and women's spaces in general?

[Paul Morrow]

Well, that's a great question. And you alluded to the equal access rule. We took that rule down. That was a Biden era rule. We took that rule down on day one. And what it says now is that men and women, so if you are a biological female, you are allowed to go into female HUD funded shelters. But if you are not a biological female, you are no longer able or allowed to enter into HUD funded facilities, including shelters that are for females. This is for our females only. And you know the President, I'm so grateful for him restoring biological truth back to our country. If you are a female at birth, if you are a male at birth, there's only two sexes, male and female. That's a biological truth. It's a biblical truth. And so we're very proud here at HUD to protect the ladies of our country. And when you talk about men and women's sports, you know, guys, I have four sisters, I have a wife, I have a mother, all of my sisters and I have nine nieces. They were all athletes and they spent painstaking time to prepare to train to compete against other females and not to compete against males. And so I'm grateful for the President's leadership on this. I'm a 100% supporter of men should compete against men, women should compete against women. And at hud, we're upholding that truth when it comes to our HUD funded facilities Secretary.

[Buck Sexton]

You played nine years in the NFL. What percentage of NFL players do you think are against men being able to compete in women's sports?

[Paul Morrow]

Man, if I just had to guess, I would say 100%. You know, being playing in the NFL, you know, and being in that locker room playing against the best athletes in the world, just from a common sense standpoint.

[Buck Sexton]

Yep.

[Paul Morrow]

To have a lady compete in the NFL or contact football against men, that literally could take your life or hurt you real bad, that just makes no sense. And so I would hope to say that it'll be 100% of guys, but.

[Buck Sexton]

It would be a crazy percentage. And my, my argument has been the higher level athletics you have played, I think every guy who plays high school, college, obviously very small percentage goes on like you did to play in the pres. Pros. But the more of an athlete you are, the crazier I think you think this is.

[Paul Morrow]

Absolutely. I agree. You know, when you, when you go from high school to college to the pros, the level of competition, the strength, the speed, the attitude, you know, there's no comparison. And so I think that guys, like I said before, that are in an NFL locker room or in an NBA locker room or Major League baseball locker room, they are, you know, we think the same. And when you, when you break it down just to the training, the type of training that we do, and you know, we have ladies that are in professional sports that train vigorously, that train, they're so committed. But when it comes to game and competition, women should compete against women and men should compete against men. You know, I saw videos of a precious volleyball girl. I can't remember her name. She was a female playing in a volleyball match. And there was a transgender man, I guess, on the other side.

[Buck Sexton]

And hey, I think was her name. Sorry to cut you off, but I think you're right. That video went viral. That dude soaring up above the net and smashing the ball in a way that a woman couldn't.

[Paul Morrow]

That's it. I mean, end of story.

[Buck Sexton]

You were just with the President in the Oval Office for the announcement of the NFL draft coming to DC 2027, new stadium being built for Washington's team. You played for the Redskins back in the day. What is the impact of that for D.C. and what does the president's commitment mean for D.C. you think going forward.

[Paul Morrow]

So, yes, I'm very excited for the Redskins or now the commanders to bring the stadium back to the site where RFK is. I played in rfk. I was drafted by the Redskins. Just the excitement of the team coming back to the Capitol, coming back to D.C. the anticipation is great. Even inside of the press conference, you could sense the energy and anticipation from the owners, from Commissioner Goodell, from the president and others to have the stadium back. And so from a sports standpoint, it would be tremendous. But also from an economic development and a community development standpoint, this will make an impact that it hasn't had in many in decades, really, since I played for the Redskins, I played in the last game in RFK and in the first game in the stadium in Maryland. And so to bring that back from a housing standpoint, from a commercial development standpoint, retail, from a community engagement standpoint, economically and from a personal, the people, the families will bring new life back to this area in D.C. and so I'm very excited. I know the Redskins are commander's organization is excited and the people in the Capitol are looking forward to that.

[Clay Travis]

So as Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, what are just some of the top initiatives that President Trump wants you to pursue on behalf of his administration while you're in this role? I mean, because, you know, HUD doesn't tend to get the same headlines as a Treasury or the State Department does. Right. But what are some of the things that you can do at HUD that would be maga?

[Paul Morrow]

Well, you're talking about housing. You know, housing impacts every family, every individual in our country, all 350 million people in this country. Housing makes an impact. Housing is not political. It's not Republican, it's not Democrat. You know, it's not red, it's not blue. We need about 7 million units of housing in our country. And while be it we may not be in the headlines, that it pertains to the news media, what we do on a daily basis impacts every American. And so housing affordability is a major priority for us. Taking down burdensome regulations, freeing up local control, local flexibility across our country and providing the local mayors and economic development. You know, every city is unique when it pertains, as it pertains to housing. And so we've been working really hard in tearing down rules such as the affirmatively furthering fair housing rule, which was a regional zoning issue here, that Washington was telling localities how they should zone their neighborhoods. So taking that down and restoring that back to the localities. Also, when it pertains to disaster recovery here. You know, we've had major hurricanes and fires in LA and in North Carolina. And so we are on the front lines of helping families to rebuild their families, their homes, their businesses. And so when you think about hud, think about people that are impacting families and impacting individuals right where they are, be it in housing, be it in disaster recovery, being in eradicating and attacking homelessness in our country. And so that's what we're about, guys. We literally meet people where they are. The media may not cover it in such a way as they cover other agencies, but that's not what we're concerned about. To your point. What we are concerned about, about is the assignment we have to serve the American people that we've been called to serve. And I have the best team in America to do so.

[Buck Sexton]

We're talking to HUD Secretary Scott Turner. You're in D.C. now. How good is Jaden Daniels going to be?

[Paul Morrow]

Jayden Daniels is a baller and I am super proud of him. You know, he just goes to work. He's one of those guys. He doesn't talk about it, he just gets it done. And what I'm really impressed impress about him, one is his character and the way that he carries himself on and off the field. But also from a professional athlete, former professional athlete standpoint, the game seems to be slow for him. And that's really, man, that's, it's miraculous that even in his rookie year, his control of the game and, and how the game seemed to slow down for him even in his decision making and his checkdowns and having to grasp, you know, of the game in the NFL so quickly is, is pretty miraculous.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, we appreciate you coming on and boy, I can't wait to see what that new stadium is going to look like. And I promise you that I will be there for the draft in 2027. That's going to be an incredible scene. Perfect location. I can't wait.

[Paul Morrow]

Indeed. It's going to be epic.

[Buck Sexton]

I'll see you there for sure. All right. Appreciate that. That is another one of the Trump's cabinet members. The H, the HUD director, Scott Turner. Fantastic stuff there. Want to tell you. Speaking of fantastic stuff, Buck, are you nervous, are you nervous about the Knicks 50 years not being able to get things done? Are you getting nervous about tonight's game where the Knicks can advance to the Eastern Conference finals? Maybe a little bit.

[Clay Travis]

I don't think it's a. You think the series is over? I don't think the series is over. I think it's easy for you, Mr. I live in Nashville to just make this assumption about my New York Knicks. My New York Knicks never miss an opportunity. To miss an opportunity.

[Buck Sexton]

That is often, sadly, the case. The Knicks, Celtics play tonight. The Warriors, Timberwolves in the NBA. We've also got NHL playoffs underway. Florida Panthers, they've done pretty well. Defending champs going up against the Maple Leafs and you got the Oilers going up against the Golden Knights. All that taking place tonight, as well as my Atlanta Braves in action as they have now fought back to 500 after starting the season. Oh, and seven whatever sport you're into, whatever teams or individuals you enjoy cheering for, you can get hooked up right now at Price picks. You put $5 down on picks, you get $50 guaranteed NBA, NHL, Major League Baseball, golf, whatever sport you love during the course of the summer. Prizepix.com Code Clay gets you hooked up. That is prizepix.com Code clay $5 turns into $50. All you have to do. Prizepix.com code clay one more time. That's prizepix.com code Clay for $50 you can play in California, Texas and Georgia. Pricepix.com Code Clay news and politics, but also a little comic relief. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.

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[Leon Nayfak]

In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran Contra Affair.

[Clay Travis]

The things that happened were so bizarre.

[Cassie Hunt]

And insane, I can't begin to tell you.

[Clay Travis]

Please do.

[Leon Nayfak]

To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the island, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Clay Travis]

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