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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton show podcast.
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Buck Sexton
Welcome, everybody. Monday edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off right now and it's going to be a doozy, I can assure you. Wow. Quite a weekend of news and so much to dive into with all of you today. Oh, boy. Just to get right to it, the diet diagnosis of Biden's cancer came out yesterday. We shall discuss this. There's obviously a lot that, a lot of questions that this raises. Yes, of course, cancer is terrible. We wish everyone the best in their fight against that horrible disease, including, of course, Joe Biden, a former president of this country. But a lot of people have questions about whether the dementia diagnosis that was hidden was also part of a broader plan to hide a cancer diagnosis along with it. And we will bring to you the evidence on this, the case, such as it exists. And we've got Dr. Nicole Safire, newly added. Thankfully, we got a doctor in the house, Clay, newly added to the Clay and Buck podcast network. So she shall be with us in the third hour to talk specifically about the probability, the likelihood, the reality of whether someone who probably who most likely had the best medical care on the planet could have gone until this moment without anyone noticing anything might have been amiss with respect to its, or the possibility of prostate cancer. So we're going to, we're going to dive into all of this. It's, it's a massive story because of the implications and you can tell that the media, I don't think, has really processed yet that their old approach of how dare you or you're not allowed to talk about that. You don't get to do that with a cancer diagnosis when you just told us that you did it with a dementia diagnosis. So that's not going to work. And we are going to discuss this again. Cancer is terrible. We want every, everyone to be cancer, including Joe Biden. We're not talking about that other than wishing him well and thoughts and prayers. We're talking about when was this known by the government? Because the health of the president is actually a matter of public concern. It is something all of us get to know about and we will discuss this. They also released audio of Robert Her's 2023 interview of Joe Biden. It is, I think, worse than any of you could have imagined at the time or that any of us could have thought maybe as bad. And we have some of that to share with you. This was absolutely a cover up they absolutely knew that he was not of sound mind to do the job. This is somebody that they had signing laws, signing pardons and carrying around or rather having the nuclear codes carried around for him. It is a very big deal. And we've got that. We've also got the big beautiful bill to discuss today. Senator Ron Johnson. Clay, you will not be surprised, but will be pleased to know that he was listening Friday right after you ducked out and was like, when can we talk the bill? And I'm like, senator, you're the senator working on it. Let's talk the bill. So he'll be with us because that's also a very big deal. And he had a Trump Putin phone call this morning. So, I mean, so much news. So we're really excited to spend this time with you and break it all down and make it all make sense. Also, that supreme court ruling Friday, Clay 7:2 to enjoin the government from summarily deporting alleged gang members on the Alien Enemies Act. We can discuss that, but usually that might be a first hour, top of show kind of thing. Today, let's do it right now with the Biden thing. I can tell from Twitter already, you and I separately came to the same conclusion here, which is that the likelihood that this cancer died. Remember, everyone, I have family members who have dealt with prostate cancer recently. A huge percentage of American men get to a certain age and they will deal with prostate cancer. So this is not some cancer that people aren't familiar with. Here's what everyone knows about it. It is almost always very, very slow, which is a good thing. The notion that Biden just found out about this is very hard for people to accept or swallow. I'll just put it that way. Some of you I know completely reject it. Beyond that, though, Clay, it seems to me, and this is where I think you and I see this in the same way, based on our separate tweets that the plan was push dementia Joe across the finish line and then you kind of wipe away the dementia, cover up in the new administration in the new term by announcing that he has cancer and letting him step down over a real. I'm not by any means suggesting it's not real, a real health issue. And that was the plan to make Kamala president of the United States. I don't see another way to view this.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, I think that's the larger context, obviously, that fell apart on June 27 with the disastrous debate. But let's just go to the cancer itself. And I echo that. Everybody hates cancer. All Right. Don't allow yourself to be in some way. David Axelrod put out a tweet which. Or his quote, which I think was emblematic of this. Well, we can't talk about medical relations with Biden or his dementia or his inability to be president because he got cancer. And we all need to feel sorry and sympathy for him. Look, everybody hates cancer. Everybody wishes that cancer could be eradicated. Everybody wishes that every single person who got cancer could beat it. So let's put that off.
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Buck Sexton
We are, we are solidly anti cancer across the board on this show.
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Clay Travis
No one hates cancer more than this show. So let's leave that on the side. Let's get away with the stupid sort of platitudes. All right. I don't believe that they found out on Friday that Joe Biden has stage nine cancer here, prostate cancer, and that it has gone to the bone. And there is. I have seen at least two different doctors on two different television networks, one of whom was on msnbc, the other was on News Nation. I'm sure there have been many others. I'm not claiming that I've seen every doctor analysis so far. We will have our own Dr. Nicole Safire on the program with us to discuss with all of you during the course of this program. The Robert, her tapes come out on Friday. They are devastating for Biden. We will play them for you. Uh, that previously the White House, you knew they were bad because the White House had insisted on only releasing the transcripts, not the actual audio. Second part of this tomorrow, whatever you think of the Jake Tapper Alex Thompson book, it is going to be devastating for Biden and those who covered up for him, that book comes out. So 48 hours after the her audio comes out and 48 hours before the blockbuster release of a book that MSNBC and CNN are not going to be able to avoid talking about because it leads to the biggest cover up related to health that any of us have seen in most of our lifetimes. Unless you were alive when FDR was elected in 44. Otherwise, this is the biggest health related condition that we have been lied to about.
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Buck Sexton
Can I throw something in the mix there? This is worse, Clay, because it would be very easy for people to not know about. Hiding the condition was obvious because he wasn't appearing on TV all the time. And. Right. So this cover up, I would just argue is far worse because it was across the board and everybody knew.
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Clay Travis
So I don't buy it. And I put up a poll question. I said, for anybody out there, you can go vote it's up at the top of my Twitter poll. If you disagree with me, you can go vote in this. 98% of you do not believe that Joe Biden got this cancer diagnosis on Friday. According to my poll, with 20,000 people voting so far, I think overwhelming majorities of Republicans, Democrats and Independents now do not trust the Biden regime to be honest with us.
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Dr. Nicole Sapphire
And.
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Clay Travis
And the idea, frankly, that they found out on Friday is, to me, unbelievable. Okay, and the data out there, and we'll play some of these audio cuts from doctors for you, is that in general, a significant prostate cancer evolution like this typically takes 5 to 10 years. I think it's more likely Biden ran for president knowing he had this cancer than it is that he found out on Friday. Um, and I think possibly, Buck, this could go all the way back to. One of the reasons why Barack Obama decided to pick Hillary Clinton is they knew Biden wasn't of a sound mind. Maybe also they were aware that he was not of a sound body going back even that far. But again, we'll play the doctors for you saying it is improbable. It is almost impossible for this level of cancer to have developed and for them not to know. Remember, arguably, the president has the best medical care of anyone in America. I mean, there is an entire team of people.
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Buck Sexton
There's a team of doctors in the White House. Okay. They have an.
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Clay Travis
Every single minute of every day.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
They have an internal medical team that's right there. If Joe Biden gets a sneeze, he can say, hey, you know, run some tests on me. The notion that this wouldn't have been known until now, I mean, so they're asking you to accept. Let's just do this by the numbers for a second, Clay. They're asking you to accept that this is a maybe a 1 in 100 cancer case for prostate cancer to move this fast, undetected of this kind. Right. One in 100, by the way, might be far too generous. It might be way lower than that. But it's a tiny, tiny percentage. And they're asking us all to believe that this came out right at the single most advantageous time for them to try to soften the blow of the massive lie in the COVID up, the most advantageous time possible, the Friday before the book release, as if this is. And they're expecting us to forget that they just did a whole cover up of dementia, which is also an extremely serious medical condition. And they knew and they lied and they all went along with this. So, you know, fool me once, as Bush said, can't get fooled again. And I think a lot of people feel that way.
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Clay Travis
Let's play Cut five because this is not just us saying it. This is this morning on your boy Joe Scarborough show. This is Dr. Zeke Emanuel. This is Ari Emanuel's brother, one of the top doctors in this realm in the country. Dyed in the wool, Democrat Rahm Emanuel's brother, also Ari Emanuel's brother, one of the trio of highly successful Emanuel brothers. He said he thinks Biden had cancer while he was president. He didn't develop it in the last 100 or 200 days. This is cut five.
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Buck Sexton
Would it be fair to say it's likely to have had this for at least several years?
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Clay Travis
Oh, more than several years.
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Dr. Nicole Sapphire
You don't get prostate cancer.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Again, I just want to stop you.
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Buck Sexton
So this is not speculation. If you have prostate cancer that is.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Spread to the bone, then he most certainly, you are saying had it when.
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Buck Sexton
He was president of the United States.
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Dr. Nicole Sapphire
Oh, yeah.
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Clay Travis
He did not develop it in the last hundred, two hundred days. He had it while he was president. He probably had it at the start of his presidency in 2021. Yes, that. I don't think there's any disagreement about that. Now, Buck, this also raises all sorts of questions and we're going to continue to discuss this as adults should discuss it. I mean, was it possible that Joe Biden was getting chemo treatments? Was there a behind the scenes, total hidden nature of this? I think almost assuredly, yes.
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Buck Sexton
I, we can ask Dr. Safire about this. Again, good timing to add a doctor into our clay and Buck network and we will ask her about this. But Clay, I know from my own family dealing with this, with this form of cancer that there's, it's so slow moving that there's some degree of, they call it active surveillance. So they'll know that you have the cancer. But they may choose to not do anything because it can move so slowly that some, that some people basically pass of other unrelated causes. That. So just to give a sense of this. Right. Usually you have cancer or a lot of different kinds of, you know, my wife Carrie had, had cancer, had to, had to treat it right away. Cancer is something you have to go at right away. This is a very, I don't know what other cancers would fall into this category. This is a very rare type of cancer where you can find out and it's okay, let's sort of see where we are. Maybe they chose to do that here as a means of keeping it quiet, as a means of not running additional tests. They just did the, quote, active surveillance mode on this to see where it goes. But if that's the case, by the way, you think it's malpractice because now the guy's got it to his bones and that means it's probably fatal.
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Clay Travis
And when we come back, we've got another doctor, this time on cnn saying that when you look at this is, I don't want to play it right now because we got to go to break, but Vin Gupta says Bush and Obama and Trump all had the prostate test reported as a part of their physicals. He can't find it ever reported as a part of Joe Biden's, which would suggest, again, this was a cover up.
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Buck Sexton
I believe this was a straight up cover up. And not only do you believe it was a cover up, I believe that this was the plan.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
The plan was because think about it, nobody's going to talk about his dementia if he steps down in the first hundred days of his second term because of, of legitimately having cancer.
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Clay Travis
No one's going to be, I'm sorry, bone cancer. Not even just to your point, like the very beginning. Yeah, yeah.
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Buck Sexton
I mean, well, yeah, the prostate cancer having metastasized to that point. So it was a perfect plan if they could have pulled off the election. And I think this is what. And this. And I think they thought they could get through that debate with, you know, injecting them with the stuff and it would have been okay. And they were going to hide the whole. This is the biggest political cover up in the history of this country. It makes Watergate look like ladies who lunch chatting things up somewhere. It is an absolute nothing burger compared to this, my friends. This is massive. It is sustained, it is systemic, it is across the board. It involves the president, it involves the media, involves the entire Democrat apparatus. And we're going to continue talking about it. When I bought both gold for the first time, it seemed like a smart investment and a good hedge against inflation. As it turns out, the gold I purchased a decade ago has gone up more than 160% in value. Purchasing gold today has become even easier thanks to partners like Birch Gold Group. And it's as important as ever to do given external factors that we can't control, that even the Trump administration can't control government spending. Look, we're going to talk about the big bill today. There's a lot of spending in it and that that's going to get higher. And they've raised the debt ceiling trillions of dollars. This means that your dollars in the bank are going to be chipped away at by inflation. That is just reality. So how can you protect your savings? Diversification. I continue to diversify with gold. I mean real actual gold from the Birch Gold group. In the past 12 months the value of gold has increased again. Past 12 months, 40% increase. Central banks are buying gold in record quantities so that's why demand doesn't seem to be subsiding. You can also convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA and physical gold or just buy some to store in your home safe like I do. Text My name Buck to 989898 Birch Gold will send you a free info kit on gold. There's no obligation, only useful information. That's text my name Buck to 989898 today.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. So many different moving stories over the weekend that we are chasing here with all of you on Monday with the bright the Biden health situation is such a huge story. We talked about it the whole first hour at 2. So an hour from now we're going to have part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. Also, Fox News contributor Dr. Nicole Sapphire to analyze this from a doctor doctor perspective, what she thinks of Biden's health. We bring in now. I was texting with him on Friday. He was listening to Buck as I was trying to get to the airport. Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, in addition to everything else going on, the biggest thing on Capitol Hill right now is the so called big beautiful bill which is trying to be passed at some point between now and Memorial Day is understanding you were hearing the discussion about the budget. You've been really outspoken and I think frankly. Right. Senator Johnson with us now from Wisconsin about the fact that we basically are embedding the Biden budget in this new one and the COVID spending instead of being ratcheted back down, is now a part of the American budget going forward. But I want you to lay that out because I think it's a very cogent argument and it's one that this audience needs to hear.
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Dr. Nicole Sapphire
Well, first of all, thanks for having me on. As I said, my Wall Street Journal column, too often the reality of these budget debates get obscured in minor details, politically charged issues and demagog. And that's what's going on right now. Listen, I'm a big supporter of President Trump. I could not be happier with how boldly, decisively, swiftly he's acting to honor the promises made. But the problem Is, I have to be honest, the big beautiful bill, it's just mislabeled. I would think the number one goal of any of this Republican budget reconciliation would be to not increase the deficit. That'd be the first goal. You know, we should start bending the spending curve down, we should start reducing the projected debt, but that's not what's happening. So again, we lose sight of the big picture where, you know, lose sight of the forest for really arguing over twigs and leaves. And so let me, let me just kind of lay out the reality. First of all, you have to understand how the increase in spending from 2019 to this year is unprecedented, except under World War II, which by the way, we returned to a pre war level spending by 1948, actually below where we were from the start of the war. So it's possible if you have responsible leadership. But again, unprecedented level from 4.4 trillion or better way to put that $4,400 billion over $7,000 billion dollars. That's a 58% increase in the last six years. Completely unprecedented. I always use the analogy of a family, no family. If they had an illness and they had to borrow $50,000 to pay off those medical bills, if that family member got well, they wouldn't keep borrowing that money and spending at that level. But that's exactly what we've done. So we have a once in a lifetime opportunity to address this unprecedented level of increase in spending. And we're not doing it. We're doing the same old thing. And as you said too, we're, we're literally codifying what we all ran said. We're gonna repeal and replace Obamacare. We're not talking about Medicaid here. Nobody wants to reduce benefits for the disabled and the people that Medicaid was designed for. What we're addressing is how Obamacare, the Medicaid expansion for single working age, able bodied, childless adults, they get paid 90 cents on the dollar by the federal government, which is causing all kinds of abuse at the state level. Basically, state stealing from the federal government, not checking eligibility, allowing illegal immigrants to get Medicaid, putting at risk the Medicaid for those children. So the whole SALT debate, green new scam, none of these things are being addressed, honestly. And if you really look at it, look at the numbers, and I look at the numbers, we will actually increase the deficit over the next 10 years going from right now $37 trillion in debt. CBO says we'll be at 59. My guess, we probably increase that by about $4 trillion with the big new deal. The big beautiful bill that puts us at 62 to 63 trillion dollars. Again, you have to be honest. And by the way, I know Buck at the end of the show, or I think he might have asked me this last time, what are you going to cut? It's impossible to say. Medicaid, absolutely have to go after that. But what you need is a process. We've never had a process to control spending in the federal government. We don't have a budget balance, budget requirement. I didn't realize that the appropriation committees were actually established because the authorizing committees were big spenders. Well, that didn't work. The Budget act didn't work. Simpson Bowles didn't work. The Budget Control act didn't work. So what I've been proposing is what those have shown us how to do. You have to do the work. You have to go line by line, contract by contract, through over a couple thousand lines of the federal budget, the entire budget. And I have to believe, and having gone from 4400 billion to 7000 billion dollars, that you will find hundreds of billions of dollars of spending that if you eliminate it, nobody would even notice other than the grifters who are sucking at the public trough. They're sucking down that waste, fraud and abuse. So you got to go through that process. You have to do the work. Passing a big beautiful bill by the end of this week. We haven't gone through the work. We're doing the same old thing, exempt almost every program. Look at a few things that's not painful enough. Nobody even noticed that. Let's have all the savings toward the tail end of the, of the budget period. Clap our hands and say we did a good job. No, this is completely inadequate understanding. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to get it right. Let's take the time. By the way, the way you do it is split it up just the way John Thu and the Senate always wanted to. At this point, I think he's, whatever the House sends us, we need to skinny it up, provide the border funding, the defense funding, take a lot of the spending reductions. You know, use what the House did, at least 850. That was a Senate resolution. Extend the current tax law, take an automatic tax increase off the table, give President Trump debt ceiling relief, but not $5 trillion. Let's, let's keep a little pressure on so we can come back, do another iteration of this, not only using the 2025 budget, but probably also the fiscal 2026 for further reconciliations. You've got to do this in multiple steps. You can't do it in one big step because if we do that, we won't come back and we will blow in our once in a lifetime opportunity.
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Buck Sexton
Well, Senator Johnson, appreciate you being with us as always. And I guess just there's a frustration that I think I have and I'm sure I'm not alone here, which is that you are telling us all of this and everything that you are saying makes sense and certainly is, along with what we have been told needs to happen numerically, mathematically, like this is. And that's, I think, at the heart of Doge and at the heart of a big part of what was promised with this new administration would be we're going to, we're going to tackle this and do what is necessary based on the numbers so that we don't head off of a, of a fiscal cliff. And yet, you know, the White House, I was watching this morning, the press conference, White House seems to love the bill, thinks it's a huge step forward and it's fantastic. So, I mean, I have to ask, where's the, where's the disconnect here? And how is it, how is it possible you're telling us the work's not being done, the cuts aren't being made, and there's far too much of a debt increase here. Meanwhile, the White House and certainly a lot of other Republicans are saying this is amazing, this is moving us forward. Like, where is the, just where is that disconnect? Explain to me how that's possible.
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Dr. Nicole Sapphire
Well, it's the difference between rhetoric and reality. So the reality is that the House says, oh, we're going to cut 1.5 trillion. Sounds like a lot, but that's 150 billion. That take us from over 7 trillion to just under $7 trillion. Okay, I know that the people that voted for Trump wanted to defeat the deep state. You don't defeat the deep state by funding it at Biden's levels. So again, the numbers just don't add up. According to CBO, we'll add $22 trillion to the debt over the next 10 years. That's $2.2 trillion per year of deficit spending. And we're going to add to that with a big new, beautiful bill. So again, that is the reality. The other stuff is all rhetoric. Washington runs on rhetoric. That's why we're $37 trillion in debt. This is the way it's always done. You know, package everything into some really big bill so that you force people who don't want an automatic tax increase. Who don't want to see a default on the debt to vote for something that is completely inadequate. And that's how you force it through. So you break it up. You do it in the things we first agree on the border defense, take as many spending reductions as the House has already identified, bank that extend the current tax law, give, give President Trump a smaller increase in debt ceiling, then you can come back. There's plenty, there's plenty of reasons to come back. You know, President Trump's tax priorities. We're going to have to come back because the debt ceiling hasn't been raised for four years.
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Senator Ron Johnson
By the way.
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Dr. Nicole Sapphire
Just, just extend the debt ceiling into the beginning of next year will probably require some, some something like two and a half to $3 trillion. That ought to shock everybody. We have to stop whistling by the graveyard here.
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Clay Travis
We're talking to Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. You're a business guy and unfortunately, there are not that many business guys in Congress in general, certainly almost none on the, on the Democrat side. What do you expect to see? We're at 37, $38 trillion national debt right now. If, as these numbers continue to go, we're talking about 75, $100 trillion in the next generation, I don't think those are crazy numbers. The debt becomes a higher and higher part. Paying interest on the debt becomes a higher and higher part, to say nothing of Social Security, Medicare, all of those things. At what point does this era of you can always keep borrowing. Do we run into a wall? Are we already there? And is that one of the lessons the bond market is giving us? Getting in the weeds a little bit. But you know that where it really hits people is you can't get a low rate on your mortgage, your insurance rates, your interest rates on cars and on your credit cards. I mean, it's just not coming back down like maybe we thought it would.
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Dr. Nicole Sapphire
Well, the fact that a dollar you held in 2019 is only worth 80 cents. Yeah, that's really an indication of, you know, not quite as noticeable of a debt crisis. I mean, the real danger is when the US Dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency and, you know, the BRIC countries are trying to replace the dollar as the reserve currency. More and more global trade is being done in those currencies. And why is that important? If we're not the world's reserve currency, if we just can't keep printing money, we're all sudden going to be subject to global debt markets. And again, it's not A good sign that Moody's now is the third credit agency that's downgraded our credit rating. That that's not a good sign. That that ought to wake people up. But when that happens, all of a sudden, creditors around the world go, hmm, yeah, I'll launch some more money, but not at that interest rate. We've already got interest now exceeding $1 trillion a year more than we spent on defense over the next 10 years, about $14 trillion just interest on the debt. Of the $89 trillion to spend, 14 trillion is just on interest. It buys nothing. It's just paying off irresponsible government, basically, is there.
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Buck Sexton
You know, I know you're. You Senate types don't like to name names among your colleagues, especially on your own side. But Senator Johnson, I just as you're telling us this, you're laying this out. Are the Senate Republicans who don't care, it seems, about what you're laying out, unaware of it, or do they just like to make sure all the piggies stay at the trough and it's not their problem?
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Dr. Nicole Sapphire
So three years ago, when we were debating on the spending bill, I asked my Senate colleagues, hey, anybody know how much we spent in total last year? Nobody answered. I went out to the Washington press corps, asked the same question. Somebody said, well, it's over a trillion dollars now. That's just discretionary spending. That's only 25% of our budget. Nobody knew because we never talk about it. Okay? We're the largest financial entity in the world. We're supposedly the 535 members of the board of directors. And nobody knew in total how much we spend. Again, we never discuss it. We only appropriate the 25 cent of the budget. Everything else is on automatic pilot. And by the way, that's one of the devious things the unit party has done. They've shifted what should be discretionary spending into other mandatory. When I talk about, and this is something else I had to reveal, I'm providing all this information. My colleagues. Now, we went from $642 billion of other mandatory, not Social Security, not Medicare, not even Medicaid, from about 642 in 2019 up to about $1.3 trillion two years ago. It's still over a trillion dollars. Now, just in that alone, you take a look at how much we increase spending above and beyond 2019, plus up for inflation and population growth. That'd be a reasonable control, right? There's literally hundreds of billions of dollars that we've increased spending beyond that control. So that's why you have to go line by line. That's how you do it in business. You have a budget review panel. That's why I propose senators, House members, members of omb, bring up these department heads with their budget gurus, go line by line, justify this. Why is this spending line so much more above 2019 level, plus inflation and population growth? You have to do the work DOGE has shown us. And by the way, the point being made, that has to be made. It's great. I mean, I love what Doge has done. It's identified, it exposes. It's also exposed how clueless and oblivious Congress is to the waste, fraud and abuse. But how do we bank those? How do we codify it? We haven't gotten a rescission package out of this administration yet. They've talked about a 9 billion one. Apparently that's already been tanked because we haven't got it. I mean, you have to, at some point in time codify what DOGE is identifying on their website. Got turned into law. You got to end the spending and we're not doing it.
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Clay Travis
Senator Ron Johnson, we appreciate you. You always have an open forum here with our audience. They love you. We appreciate the work you're doing. Thank you for filling us in.
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Dr. Nicole Sapphire
Thanks for the opportunity. Take care.
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Clay Travis
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Senator Ron Johnson
Yeah, just an honor to be even mentioned with Pat Summerall because he is such a legend and you know, very cool to see what Susie is doing with with President Trump and how respected she is. You know, we've gotten to know each other a couple times with St. Jude because I've done a lot with St. Jude. I had a niece of mine who has gone twice to St. Jude Hospital to have surgery on her canc and they were amazing to her and so I've supported them and Susie has as well. So they give away the Pat Summerall award every year. But excited for my opportunity to run for office. I just felt like this was the time I had said no for a few years and to be honest and candid, I love my job. I love doing NFL games and calling games and being in the booth and getting to do all the production meetings and sit down with coaches and players and work for Five months and then having seven months off, but really felt called. My wife and I did that this was the time for us to serve our country.
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Buck Sexton
Jay, thank you for being on the show and appreciate that you've decided that you are, or you have been called, perhaps a better way of putting it, to put your hat in the ring to be a member of our illustrious. Well, Congress. Some days it's illustrious, some days we feel like it's letting us down a little bit. But we know you'll do a great job if you get there, and it's all looking good for you in that respect so far. How do you feel? Where do you fit in, or what's your put it? I'll put it this way. What is your relationship to maga, Jay, and the movement that has become really the leadership, the tip of the spear for the Republican Party?
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Senator Ron Johnson
Well, I've supported President Trump for a long time, ever since he first ran for office. We got to know each other when I was with the jets, playing for the jets, and he wasn't running for office yet himself. We were just doing some charity events together with his foundation. And, you know, I really was impressed with just who he was and his willingness to serve. He didn't have to run for office. You know, he's wealthy and rich and famous and doing his TV shows. And he decided that he wanted to try to make this country better, similar to what I feel. And I think, you know, the things that we believe in economically, free markets and less taxes and equal opportunity and limited government, the need to balance the budget, you know, those are all things that I want to try to do and be an advocate for in Congress.
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Clay Travis
Jay, I'm curious, in your experience, Trump 1.0, you said you were a Trump guy. It was the case that if you were in sports media, people wanted you to keep your head down and not acknowledge that you were a Trump guy. Trump 2.0. Now Politico's got a huge story about it today. The sports world loves Trump. What do you think has changed? Uh, do you think it's just a function of people are being more honest now? Do you think it was the Biden term was so bad you've been a Trump guy for a while. What's different as it pertains to the culture? Whether it's Christian Pulisic, Jon Jones, the cheering at the Super bowl, what is going on that sports fans and Trump are now in love with each other?
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Senator Ron Johnson
I think you kind of hit the nail on the head there. I think part of it was he was labeled a racist when he was running in 2016. But I think when you look at his administration and Biden's administration and the differences and what happened to our country, I think people got frustrated with COVID when we lost our. Our liberties. I think they saw the hypocrisy of the Democratic Party when you had the BLM riots and the response to destruction of people's property and their businesses and murders. I think when you look at the DEI policies and the transgender policies and guys playing in girls sports, I think people have rejected that.
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Clay Travis
Let me. Let me cut you off there for a sec, because I think as a locker room guy, I had this. We had this conversation with the HUD secretary last week, and I think it's important. What percentage of NFL players, current and past, do you think believe that men should be able to compete against women?
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Senator Ron Johnson
I would say it's under 5%. I think it's a very, very low number. I think anybody who has a sister and watch their sisters play sports or myself with my daughters. The reason I got into coaching, like, there was not a girls soccer team at the high school that my daugh was going to go to. And I said, well, that's ridiculous. We have to have a girls soccer team. And they were like, well, we need a coach. And I said, well, I'll coach the team, you know, and to provide that opportunity, I love what sports does to develop discipline and toughness and camaraderie and fighting for something that's greater than yourself. Those are all lessons that you learn in sports to carry on the rest of your lives. And I never want to see a girl not have an opportunity because some guy decides, I want to take my physical and biological advantages and go play a sport that I know physically I'm better. Or, you know, I'll give you another example. Like, we would play because I wanted our girls to win a state championship. So we're going to practice against our guys team. That was really good. But I would sit down beforehand with the guys coach and all the players on the guys team and be like, listen, you can't go in for tackles. Full speed against our growth. I don't want somebody getting hurt in this practice. I want your speed and your power to stretch them and to push them, but I don't want them getting injured. And that's the kind of situation they create when you have girls competing against or guys competing against girls in a physical sport.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, no, absolutely. Jay, I'm wondering. I've never actually. I don't think I've ever gotten to talk to an NFL kicker before. Certainly not one of your, of your stature. I'm, I'm sort of, and I'm a very casual observer of professional sports. I'm not at clay level where it is a life's passion. Not, not, not by a long shot. But I do wonder and knowing what I know about this and having actually beaten most of the Amherst College men's football team at Madden, because I was good at video games and we would have tournaments when I was in college and you were a fantastic kicker, that's what I remember. I probably won some money off some of my friends thanks to your leg. Is being a kicker in the NFL the greatest job in the NFL or the most stressful job in the NFL? Because on the one hand I think you get to make great money, right? And this stuff is all pretty well known. You make great money as a professional athlete and you get to put points on the board and the team has to love you. But also like if you hit the upright and you don't get, might be a lonely ride back on the bus, like how, how should one think about that?
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Senator Ron Johnson
Well, I would say punter is a better job than kicker because if you have four out of five good punts in a game, you're going to have a good game. It's okay if you didn't have one great punt as long as they don't return it for a touchdown. Whereas kicking, you can only miss three or four kicks in a year to have a good year where they're not going to look at replacing you. And those kicks, game winning kicks, like you can't come in and miss a couple game winners and a team and a fan base not think about replacing you. And that's kind of the reality of kicking. You have to be able to handle pressure and you have to be able to handle failure, you know, and that was probably my greatest attribute. I wasn't, I couldn't kick it the farthest. I wasn't the best, I wasn't the most accurate, but I could handle failure. And it didn't defeat me, didn't break me going forward, you know. And when I got to the point in my career where I was like, okay, I failed as bad as I could fail, Saturday Live did a spoof about me called the Jay Feels Story. The Long Ride Home and it didn't break me, that allowed me to be a lot better because I started losing some of that fear of failure and just having fun out there. And then the next nine years after that skit, I didn't miss another game winner.
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Clay Travis
What is it like as a kicker to be mocked on Saturday Night Live?
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Buck Sexton
I didn't know about that. I had no idea about it either.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Yeah, so I missed three game winners with the. With the Giants out in Seattle late in the season. One at the end of the game, two in overtime. Obviously the worst game of my career. And, you know, the next next week, I'm getting ready to. We're going to play Philadelphia. It's Saturday night. I'm trying to go to sleep. I'm trying not to lose my job the next day. And I get a bunch of text messages and they're like, dude, they're killing you on Saturday Night Live right now. And of course, I didn't look at it or watch it. I go play the game the next day at Philadelphia. We go to overtime again. I got a game winner again. And they call time out to ice me. And they play a montage of my misses on the Jumbotron in the stadium from the. From the game where I missed all the game winners. And you're sitting there. And that's where mental discipline comes in because you can't let your mind wander. You know, if you miss this kick, you're probably going to lose your job, your kids are going to have to change schools, you're going to have to sell the house and move. You don't know if you'll ever have a job in the NFL again. But you can't let your mind think about those things. You have to discipline it, to not allow it to wander, to either think about the pot positive implications or the negative implications. And I think that's the challenge with kicking. It's why you see guys that are really good one year and then have a really bad miss and then can never do it again.
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Clay Travis
Did you make the kick?
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Senator Ron Johnson
Of course. I played for nine more years if I missed.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, but you made that kick now. Is that still allowed? This is a great. I didn't know this backstory.
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Buck Sexton
This is.
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Clay Travis
Is it still. Is it allowed in the NFL to show negative highlights still on the Jumbotron? Like, I don't remember seeing a montage of kicker misses. I'm a season ticket holder. Is that still allowed today or has that been this. I've never even heard of that.
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Senator Ron Johnson
So the mayor family was not happy after that game. I know they went to the NFL and complained about it because you kind of. You take that and you extrapolate, say, think of all the things you could put up on a Jumbotron during a game.
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Buck Sexton
Oh, yeah, totally.
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Senator Ron Johnson
The opposing players, you know, mind, you know, you can put on.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, I would. I would say that falls into a category of actually bad sportsmanship. I don't even. I don't think that's all in good fun. I think it's bad sportsmanship.
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Senator Ron Johnson
That's a city of brotherly love, so what do you expect?
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Buck Sexton
Oh, it was Philly. Yeah. Okay. Well, you know, they do have that courthouse under the stadium, right.
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Clay Travis
So I bet that made the winning kick after they did that. Unbelievably joyful for you in that celebration.
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Buck Sexton
Would you always know, Jay, when you kicked? Would you always know, like, the second you made contact? You know, obviously there's like a couple seconds where it's. Where it's airborne. Right. Would, you know, every time you hit it, I got it or I didn't.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Pretty much as soon as you make contact, you know, if that ball starting where you want. There were, you know, there's a couple of times that's when, like the first kick in that game I was talking about where I missed the game winner, I hit it exactly where I wanted in Seattle. I thought the wind was going to bring it back, right. And it shifted and it brought it left. And you missed by, you know, a little bit. But for the most part, you know, when you hit, it's like a golfer. You kind of know the ball comes off, you know, Okay, I hit that one.
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Buck Sexton
Well, was the best kick you ever made?
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Senator Ron Johnson
The most important kick I ever made was probably in high school, in the state semifinals. I had a game winner at the end of the game, and I make that kick and we go on to the state finals. And for me, that was when I first started thinking about doing kicking as a career. I hadn't. I was a soccer player. I kind of played everything. Growing up until that moment, you know, I never really looked at kicking as something I wanted to do, you know, and then that kick led to me going to college at Michigan and then getting into the NFL and then broadcasting for 10 years and not running for office. I kind of feel like that kick started the journey for me over the next quarter of a century.
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Buck Sexton
Very cool. All right.
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Clay Travis
How do people, if they want to support you in Arizona's fifth, what should they know and what should they do?
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Senator Ron Johnson
Well, they should know that, first of all, I'm a fighter and I'm not afraid to stand up for my beliefs. You know, working in broadcast media for a major network like cbs, like, people didn't like that you would Talk about your support of Republicans, conservatives, and especially Trump. And I was never afraid to do that. I would post pictures when he and, and I would get together and play golf, and I would get called into the principal's office all the time for doing that. And my, my perspective always was, listen, you're not going to do that if I'm posting something that's liberal. So don't do it if I post something that's conservative. But I think people should know that I'm going to stand up and be an advocate for conservative principles and the America first policy. You can go to Jay feelyforcongress.com, sign my petition if you live in the district or you can support us financially. But more than anything, I just want to be somebody who is willing to talk about their beliefs and do it in a compassionate way and be able to advocate for Republicans and conservative causes. And, you know, we're going to have a fight in 2026 to keep the House and the Senate, and I want to be part of that fight.
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Clay Travis
Jay, one thing people may not know about you, Tom Brady, teammate at the University of Michigan. Quickly, on your way out, what's Brady like?
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Senator Ron Johnson
He is the most compassionate dude. You know, I mean, I never knew he was going to be as good as he was. You know, we were at college for four years together and room together and some of, and worked at the University of Michigan golf course together. And I just never knew he would be as good as he was. But I knew he was a great leader. I think that's the thing that stands out the most, is his willingness to be humble and to take all the stuff that Belichick gave to him and to use him as an example for everyone else. That's what led to the greatness, because he had those leadership qualities to bring everybody together and then the insatiable desire to be the best ever.
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Clay Travis
Awesome stuff. Well, we hope that the voters of Arizona's 5th congressional district are listening. And I love that you were willing to take the slings and arrows for being a Trump guy when it wasn't popular to be a Trump guy.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Thanks for having me on. Thanks for you guys. Everything you guys do. Love listening, Appreciate that.
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Clay Travis
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Senator Ron Johnson
Month.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
Clay and Buck kicks off now. And as promised, we are joined by Dr. Nicole Sapphire. She is the host of Wellness Unmasked on the Clay and Buck podcast network. You also know her as a FOX News contributor and she is an MD doctor, not a, not a Jill Biden doctor. So we're going to talk to you about some medical stuff. Dr. Sapphire, great to have you back.
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Jay Feely
Thanks so much, guys for having me. Excited to be on today.
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Buck Sexton
Let's dive right into it. The big news from over the weekend about Biden's diagnosis, we, Clay and I think have already established with everybody, of course, we're all very anti cancer. It is sad when anyone gets cancer. We hope that, you know, he is able to be successfully treated. We're not talking about that. Beyond the news items of its announcement, what is, I think, of public concern, and rightfully so, is given that he was president and given that they have now admitted they hid effectively senility from the American public and they've now come forward with that. We have, we have questions, a lot of people have questions about what the likelihood is that this diagnosis was also hidden from the public. Based upon how a disease like this progresses. What can you tell us as an md?
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Jay Feely
Yeah, unfortunately, I think the last four years and how there has just been obvious deception when it came to Biden's cognitive decline and not being forthcoming with that has a lot of people on edge right now and rightfully so. I mean, we, you know, myself, I wrote articles, I spoke publicly about. I didn't believe that the former President Biden's doctors were forthcoming about his mental and physical fitness at the time that he was in the White House. The, the Metastatic prostate cancer diagnosis that we just learned over the weekend is devastating. And at this point, it is not about wishing him recovery or to be cancer free. Because once you have a stage four cancer diagnosis, you don't ever get rid of that. The best we can hope for is to have no progression of disease. And when you have metastatic disease to the bone, it is incredibly painful. So I'm sure he's probably uncomfortable right now. We even know that he presented because of symptoms and not from routine screening. Now, I think some of the big questions that a lot of us had, you know, is this something that they kept from the public? And the answer is, well, we don't know, but we can kind of talk through this a little bit. At the age of 82, to be honest, not every 82 year old man is being screened for prostate cancer. In fact, a lot of formal recommendations are that you don't screen for prostate cancer and other cancers at this age. But because of, you have to take into many factors, you know, what is their life expectancy, will they actually benefit from the treatment? But we do know that while Biden was in the White House because of his annual exams, he was being screened for colon cancer with colonoscopies. He was getting skin checked for skin cancer screenings. So therefore we can assume that he was getting routine screenings. And you would expect that from the President of the United States. We would want to make sure we're catching all illness early. So the assumption should be that he was probably being screened for prostate cancer at least while he was in the White House. They never mentioned whether or not he was, whether he had the physical exam, checking for nodules on the prostate, or whether they were screened with the common blood test, the PSA test, which people may be hearing about. They never mentioned those. And interestingly, on other physical exams, President Trump, even former President Obama, they did mention when a PSA was drawn, they didn't mention that in President Biden. Does that mean that they hid it from us intentionally? No, not necessarily. You don't always tell people all the pertinent negatives of the physical exam, but it is curious that they didn't mention it.
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Dr. Nicole Sapphire
It.
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Clay Travis
Do you think that this could be missed? So let's just kind of take a step back. Let's pretend that it's not Joe Biden we're talking about. There is an entire medical team and apparatus that is surrounding the President every minute of every day for the last four years. Anything that is remotely wrong with him, he has a team of doctors the likes of which basically doesn't exist for any other person in America. Do you think it is possible that they could have completely missed this cancer and that on Friday this is. I'm just asking for your medical opinion. And then on Friday they would suddenly come out and say, not only does he have cancer, but it's a stage four cancer that has gotten to the point where it is now advanced to being inside of his bone. Does that seem likely to you as a doctor?
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Jay Feely
I can tell you that cancers are missed and not all cancers are. Not all prostate cancers are associated with the ris in psa. Most of them are. Most of them you'll have a high psa. So if you are screening for prostate cancer, you should pick up on that. But not all of them are. So you can't say 100% of cancers are. Therefore, if he had a normal PSA, he didn't have cancer. That's not true. It sounds like he presented with urinary symptoms. What is that? It could be urinary frequency, pain, whatever, frequent urination. And then that's where they found the hardened nodule. To go from presenting with symptoms to a biopsy, proven prostate cancer, to now confirming metastatic disease, all in less than a week's time. That's a stretch for me a little bit. But I will say he is the former president, so he doesn't get treated like the rest of us. He probably gets accelerated scans and everything is being done for him in the same day and everything's being prioritized. So is it possible? Absolutely. But they had a lot of information just for this to have happened in the last week, specifically the type of cancer. It was the fact that it's sensitive to hormones. I mean, these are extra tests that we run on the pathology specimen. So usually it takes several days to even over a week to get all of that information back. And the fact that again, that they are. Then they did the bone imaging, they didn't say what they did or how they know that he has metastatic cancer to the bones, but they said he had it. Is this an assumption because they did a bone scan or a PET scan and they saw lesions in the bone, or did it go as far to actually confirming it by doing a bone biopsy, which again, would take even more time. We don't have all the information. In fact, we have very little information. But what we do know is he has a very aggressive late stage prostate cancer. It didn't just start in the last week. It's probably been there for at least several months, maybe Several years. And it's an unfortunate, tragic situation for the former president. President.
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Clay Travis
If you had been Dr. Safire with us, Dr. Nicole Safire, now part of the Clay and Buck Podcast network. If you had been his lead physician, like, let's just pretend that it's not Joe Biden himself, right? But you are the White House lead physician. And six months after he leaves your care after four years, as you being his lead physician, would you feel like you had failed him in some way for not picking up on this cancer? Like, as a doctor, would this be something where you thought, boy, I could have done a better job if this were, as they seem to be saying, the case that this thing did not reveal itself until Friday, you had four years to be around him virtually every day. Would you be kicking yourself for missing this?
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Jay Feely
The regret and wondering what you should have, could have done as a physician is something we live with every single day. The White House physician is essentially the primary care physician for the President of the United States. You have to assume that they are doing every single screening examination to make sure that they catch early signs of any sort of illness, anything that could incapacitate the President. The fact that several months after leaving the White House, not only was he diagnosed with prostate cancer, but a late stage prostate cancer. Absolutely. As the primary care physician, I would be saying to myself, what did I miss? Because this isn't a rare cancer. Unfortunately, there are those cancers that we don't screen for because they are more rare, like a prostate cancer or a, a primary brain tumor. We don't screen from them because they're not very common. Prostate cancer is the second most common cancer in men, secondary to skin cancer. So that is why we screen men for prostate cancer. So again, if the White House physician was screening for colon cancer and for skin cancer and checking his cholesterol and everything else he was doing, I have to assume he was screening for prostate cancer. So the big question for me is, did they intentionally omit those PSA results? Did they have an inclination? Was there a diagnosis early on? The biggest thing for me that I have the big concerns with is the fact that they kept the cognitive decline. That was very obvious. That was deceitful, because a cognitive evaluation should have been a part of that. And when people were questioning his cognitive ability, that's when he should have been able to do some of those mental status exams and make them public. They didn't do that. That was intentional. That was deceitful. When it comes to the prostate cancer, did they do the same thing? I don't know, I'm less convinced because I do see de novo Canc, especially aggressive ones like Gleason Scor 9's can happen very quickly and they can metastasize very quickly. So I am less inclined to think that there is a massive cover up when it came to prostate cancer, the same way that I feel for the cognitive decline. But it's possible and I think that there are questions that we don't have the answers to.
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Buck Sexton
Dr. Safar, to that end the medical ethics here, I'm curious about this. I feel like it's, it would, you know, there's what's put forward for the public and as we know, there's information about. This is not a normal thing. Right. A president puts forward, you know, information that would be HIPAA protected or whatever. Right. And that's just understood because it's a job that affects all of us. And so the health of the President is in many ways public information. But if you're the president's physician, and the President said, and you say, hey, look, I see something on this psa, it's a little bit weird. Weird. And the President of the United States says to the physician, the White House physician. Yeah, I don't think we need to share this with anybody. What are the medical ethics here? I mean, what, what, how does that play out as you see it?
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Jay Feely
I mean, that's a great question. Medical. Legally, as a physician, we are not supposed to speak publicly about someone's diagnoses if it's our patient. Actually, ethically, we're not supposed to really talk about their diagnosis, even if they're not our patient, because we're not supposed to draw conclusions without having done the workup. It is only a courtesy that they show us these annual physical examinations. That is not, you know, that is not a right that the Americans, I mean, that's not in the law that they have to do that. We just liked this on paper where it says that our presidents are mentally and physically fit to do the job. It's a great thing, but really all it is is a feel good thing. And absolutely things can be omitted again. We saw it with President Biden for four years. Things were admitted, we called it out on that and they didn't do anything about it. So. So if he had gotten a diagnosis and maybe his trips to Delaware were to go for treatment, who knows what it was? Maybe that's why he spent so much time up in Delaware. The bottom line is we don't know. And if President Biden didn't want to disclose something. I don't think the White House physician is medically legally obligated to do so. His responsibility is to his patient. You have to remember, Lloyd often former defense secretary, also had prostate cancer during the administration. And that was controversy as they. He did not disclose it. That was disclosed inadvertently because if you don't remember, he underwent surgery and then he was in the hospital. But they didn't even, they weren't forthcoming with us. They didn't even want us to know about that. We found out about that after the fact. So I don't know, it felt like a lot of things were being kept from the public with this last administration. And I wouldn't be surprised if some things were kept.
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Clay Travis
What's the prognosis going forward so far as you can tell, based on what they announced yesterday?
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Jay Feely
Well, unfortunately, the two things that they really gave were kind of worst case scenario when it comes to prostate cancer. The gleason score of 9 is how aggressive the cancer is. If you're looking at the cells under microscope, that is scored on how many cells are there, how active they are, how fast they're dividing and it's scored from 2 to 10, 10 being the most aggressive, 2 being the least. 9 is considered very aggressive, very fast acting. So this hasn't been lingering for seven to 10 years as some people. Absolutely not. Not with a gleason score of 9. It's very fast acting. So in that sense it's worst case scenario, but also stage four, meaning that it's not only it's not just in the prostate gland, it's gone outside of the prostate gland and it's not even in like the local pelvic lymph nodes, it's gone farther out. And in former President Biden's case, in his bones. So worst case scenario when this is caught early, if you have a less aggressive prostate cancer, the five year survival approaches 100%. I mean that's why we screen, that's why we detect early, because have such a great survivability. Unfortunately, in former President Biden's case, that survivability at five years is markedly decreased with numbers ranging between 25 to 35% five year survival.
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Clay Travis
So the expectation would be that based on this diagnosis, just to close out with you, there would have been a strong likelihood that he might die in office with this cancer if he were trying to serve all the way until January of 29, for instance.
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Jay Feely
Well, I think at the age of 82, just he's already exceeding the expected life expectancy for an American man, especially one with cardiovascular disease and a history of heart disease. So I think the likelihood that he would have had some sort of cardiac event in the next four years is high. Maybe a cardiovascular disease like a stroke event. And now given the aggressive stage for prostate cancer with the treatments, I think it's highly likely that his life expectancy is significantly decreased and another term under the presidency with that stress probably would have exacerbated his decline.
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Clay Travis
Dr. Nicole Safire, part of the Clay and Buck Podcast Network. You do fabulous work. We appreciate you making the time for us on short notice and encourage people to go listen to your podcast.
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Jay Feely
Thanks for having me on guys. We're certainly going to be covering it this week.
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