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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Leon Neyfakh
In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran Contra affair.
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Buck Sexton
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane I can't begin to tell you. Please do.
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Leon Neyfakh
To hear the whole story, listen to Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show, Friday edition of the program. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. 12 hours up, three more to go here on the week and we hope to send you into the weekend in a good mood. Lots to dive into. Donald Trump at Alabama commencement address. Heck of an introduction from Nick Saban. We will discuss NPR funding pulled. We're going to dive into that. And Kilmar Abreu Garcia, Democrats favorite Maryland dad. Turns out his wife is on audio begging for help because he has been beating her and he is on video engaged in human trafficking being pulled over in my home state of Tennessee. This guy is maybe as we have said for some time, but I think even Democrats are like, oh man, even for Democrat stupidity, choosing an El Salvadoran gang beating, wife beating, human trafficking, illegal immigrant to be the front facing opposition to Trump's deportation policies in America is next level incompetence. We will discuss all that and more. But Buck, I wanted to start. I got to give President Trump a tremendous amount of credit because he is actually doing what has been discussed for decades. As long as I can remember you. Correct me if I'm wrong, you've been in the conservative side of media for longer than I have. But as long as I've been doing media, Republicans have been teeing off at NPR and saying why do our tax dollars go to support left wing propaganda in any way? And nothing ever happens. Well, last night Trump decided to finally sign a executive order that will end all of the money that NPR gets. And I think this is pretty Substantial. And I want to play several different aspects of this, but I think you'll sign off off the top here on this. Buck. Everyone should have to compete in the marketplace. Our show competes directly with npr, probably in hundreds of markets across the country for sure. The federal government is not giving us millions of dollars to aid in our business in any way. We've got to go out and our company has to sell ads. We have to compete for ratings in 500. I think it's 55 different markets in all 50 states across the country and we don't get any built in advantage. And that's how it should be. Everyone in media should compete and the shows that are the most popular should have the most successful. I've never understood why the government should be giving money to NPR for any reason, regardless of what their politics were. But given how left wing their politics are, the idea that Republicans basically should be funding opposition research with taxpayer dollars is crazy. And I wanted to play several different cuts of the crazy leader of npr. We the crew did a good job pulling all of this. First she says the number one challenge that she faces. Buck, this is Catherine Mayer says the number one challenge she faces is the First Amendment. This is not an ideal thing for someone in media to be saying. This is the head of NPR cut 11 back in 2021.
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Catherine Mayer
The number one challenge here that we we see is of course the First Amendment in the United States is a fairly robust protection of rights. And that is a protection of rights both for platforms, which I actually think is very important that platforms have those rights to be able to regulate what kind of content they want on their sites. But it also means that it is a little bit tricky to really address some of the real challenges of where does bad information come from and sort of the influence peddlers who have made a real market economy around it.
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Clay Travis
Okay, so the First Amendment is, quote, the number one challenge that she faces. Here is another cut. This is from June 22, 2021 as well. At this time she was the CEO of Basically Wikipedia, I believe, correct, all of the different Wikipedia related entities. And have I told you this, Buck, I don't know if you've ever gone into your Wikipedia page. Laura, My wife went into my Wikipedia page and tried to edit it because she was upset at there being a bunch of things that she knew to be inaccurate. Having been married to me for 21 years, she tried to make edits to my Wikipedia page and they were rejected because they said that she did not have adequate knowledge to be able to change The Wikipedia page. And I think, did they really erase that?
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Stephen Miller
You are, you are universally considered the handsomest sports talk radio host out there. Did they really get rid of that claim?
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Clay Travis
Let me tell you something, Buck. I'm not sure that Laura's adjustments on my Wikipedia page would have actually even been very positive, but they would have been accurate because I think she has a pretty good sense of the last 20 years or so of my career. But I did think that was very funny because somehow she ended up on the page and she was telling me this a while back. She said, I want to know there's lots of stuff that's totally wrong on there. And I. She was like. And I went in and tried to fix it. And they told me that the edited, you know, that my edits weren't allowed to be accepted because I didn't have the requisite Wikipedia street cred or whatever to be considered an expert on this. So I did think that was very funny. But here she is saying that she took a very active informa approach to disinformation and wanted to make sure of all of her censorship moves. Again, cut 10.
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Catherine Mayer
We took a very active approach to disinformation and misinformation coming into not just the last election, but also looking at how we supported our editing community in an unprecedented moment where we were not only dealing with the global pandemic, we were dealing with a novel virus, which by definition means we knew nothing about it in real time. And we're trying to figure it out as the pandemic went along. And so we really set up in response to both the pandemic, but also in response to the upcoming US election and as a model for future elections outside of the U.S. including a number that are happening this year. The model was around how do we create sort of a clearinghouse of information that brings the institution of the Wikimedia foundation with the editing community in order to be able to identify threats early on through conversations with, with government, of course, as well as other platform operators, to understand sort of what the landscape looks like.
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Clay Travis
Okay, so that continues. And then I want to play one more cut just to kind of let us everybody out there understand, because a lot of people may not pay attention to npr and I do think this is significant. She says truth is a distraction from finding consensus. This is cut nine.
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Catherine Mayer
One of the most significant differences critical for moving from polarization to productivity is that the Wikipedians who write these articles aren't actually focused on finding the truth. They're working for something that's A little bit more attainable, which is the best of what we can know right now. And after seven years there, I actually believe that they're on to something that for our most tricky disagreements, seeking the truth and seeking to convince others of the truth isn't necessarily the best place to start. In fact, I think our reverence for the truth might become, might have become a bit of a distraction that is preventing us from finding consensus and getting important things done.
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Clay Travis
Buck, what do you think? This NPR CEO is awful. They just sent us the links of all the stories which are clearly biased. Trump is finally doing the right thing here.
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Joe Concha
Right.
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Clay Travis
And it's taken decades for it to happen.
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Stephen Miller
Yeah, I mean, Clay, I don't think it really is going to change very much. I mean, one, this woman is no longer the CEO to the funding level that they get from the government is not huge. I don't even know what it is. But I do think it's funny that they complain about the cut to the funding level.
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Joe Concha
Right.
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Stephen Miller
They'll say in the same breath, well, most of the funding for NPR and PBS doesn't actually come from the government. Ok, well then why do you get it at all? So there's a principle that's at stake here of why would any media entity that is, it's clearly ideological start with that. But why would it get state funds or government funds? It makes no sense. There's no argument for it to continue. So why should it continue? The only argument is that people on the left like it and they want to have, they want to have a rigged game, a rigged system. But yeah, this woman, these soundbites, just to be clear, these were, these were older and she was pretty unanimously voted off the island of more senior media executive jobs because saying that the First Amendment is an impediment to your information operation to the psyop that you're running is not something that is generally going to be well received by a majority of the American public, I would hope, I would think. But yeah, Trump says that he's pulling this. I'm not sure that he'll be able to. This is the problem we keep running into, once again, congressionally authorized funding versus executive branch administering of different pools of, of cash that have gone to all these different agencies. So we'll see. They're challenging this, Clay, obviously right away, and they're saying that our money comes from Congress, not from the president, yada, yada. But it's the right move to, it's the right thing to do. I'm glad that he's doing it. It makes the libs cry, which is always fun.
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Clay Travis
That woman is the president CEO of npr. At the time, she was head of Wikipedia. So Catherine Mayer, that all that audience. Oh, yes, she's still the.
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Stephen Miller
Oh, my gosh, I'm sorry. I thought she got. I thought she got fired.
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Clay Travis
No, no, no, no, no. She got elevated to that job in March of 2024, which was when all this audio from Wikipedia.
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Stephen Miller
I'm sorry, I sent in that. I sent in the clip of her this morning. The old clip of her. I thought she had been. I thought she had been like reassigned out of the role. I didn't realize she still.
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Clay Travis
She is. She is the president and CEO of npr. All that. Now, she was not at the time that we played that audio. She was at Wikipedia, but she got elevated after that to head of npr.
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Stephen Miller
That is wild.
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Clay Travis
Are raising. And I saw your tweet about this, and I think we should hammer this home. If it is truly not a significant form of revenue for them, taxpayer dollars, why do they fight so hard to keep it? To your point, I mean, if we lost 2% of the revenue on this show because somebody was affiliated with the show that shouldn't have been, and you and I came on and we were beating the drums and screaming about how we needed to keep the 2%, I think a lot of you would say this is very strange. The what's interesting, Buck, is the way that it is crafted. Direct NPR money is not very substantial, but I think they're backdooring substantial dollars through local NPR affiliates such that their budget would be severely constrained without this money. Because otherwise why are they squeezing so much?
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Stephen Miller
Right. And why give the right a talking point? That is correct. It's not just something we say. It's the truth, which is that they shouldn't be getting this money because if they are media entities that can compete in a fair marketplace, there's no reason for this. That's stunning that that woman. I remember we were playing those clips a while ago. I am, I'm actually in shock. I don't know why I thought that they had moved her somewhere else. So thank you.
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Clay Travis
I mean, you would think that given that she is politically radioactive and they are now in the Trump era, that maybe it would make sense to have a new president and CEO. But no, she is still there and she is still taking our taxpayer dollars and they are suing along with corporation of public broadcasting to say that they must have all these dollars and that Trump does not have the authority to rescind them. In any way.
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Stephen Miller
Well, I also think that they, there's, I think you're right that there's more money than they, there's more ways that they get money from the public than they let on. Because otherwise why have this vulnerability out there that allows us to constantly bash them? Although I think we've been bashing them for so long without consequence that maybe they don't care at some level. But I think that it's going to be interesting to see how this actually goes. They like the idea of government funding something like npr. They want to keep this, I think at some level because they want the precedent to be there that this is something the government does. The government has a role in information operations, which is what this is. NPR is an information operation, you know, and you can, you can take that in a very kind of bland way or you can take it in the more military info ops or psyops sense. I mean, they are running political programming to the American people under the guise of it being a free and far, a free and fair marketplace of ideas based entity. And it is, and it clearly is a rigged system. I mean, they don't want it to be called the rigged system anymore. Then stop rigging the system and they're.
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Clay Travis
Competing directly with us. Which is why, I mean, I think on a, you know, sort of larger, just standing on precedent, standing on principal perspective, it makes sense. But, but also, if you're listening to this program, the government's not giving us tens of millions of dollars. And so if that's not occurring here, we should have an open marketplace where people compete fairly, not where you got a rig game. Look, speaking of competing fairly, there are better health care plan choices than Obamacare. That's not going to surprise a lot, but how affordable are they? You'd be surprised how affordable Ease for Everyone is. Ease for Everyone costs as low as $262 per month. You get free unlimited prescriptions with 93% of all drugs covered, available at no extra cost, including insulin. Huge savings on brand names. Free unlimited virtual primary care urgent care. With just a $30 copay, you get generous cash back reimbursements, doctor office visits, emergency room visits, ambulance transportation. If the Obama administration hadn't permanently tarnished the term, the Affordable Care act, one could make the argument this plan, Ease for Everyone actually is affordable. Replace your overpriced plan Obamacare with Ease for Everyone, the only group plan any adult in the US is eligible to join. Visit easeforeveryone.com clay that's ease spelled e a s e s 4 f o r everyone.com/clay. You can also find the info at the clay and buck.com sponsor page, paid for by Affordable Benefit Choices. Making America Great again isn't just one man, it's many. The Team 47 podcast Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Leon Neyfakh
Fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.
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Paul Morrow
Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir?
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Clay Travis
No.
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Leon Neyfakh
It became known as the Iran Contra.
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Clay Travis
Affair, and I'm not taking any more questions.
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Joe Concha
In just a second, I'm going to ask.
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Leon Neyfakh
I'm Leon Nayfak, co creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today.
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Buck Sexton
The things that happened were so bizarre.
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Paul Morrow
And insane, I can't begin to tell you.
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Buck Sexton
Please do.
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Leon Neyfakh
To hear the whole story. Listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Stephen Miller
We are joined by Deputy White House Chief of Staff Stephen Miller, one of the sharpest minds in this White House, the policy maestro extraordinaire. Stephen, great to have you back on the program.
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Buck Sexton
Thank you. Appreciate that very generous introduction. I promise I'm not paying him anything for those kind words.
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Stephen Miller
Well, we know that a man who loves the movie Bloodsport as much as you do has fantastic taste and and is a wise fellow. So let's start with this.
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Buck Sexton
Bloodsport is a metaphor for life. If you want to understand how to succeed in life, just watch that movie and you'll get it.
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Stephen Miller
I totally agree. Van Damme's finest, no question about that. There's some reporting out there, Stephen, that you may also be taking on wearing another hat, so to speak, with National Security Advisor. Can you give us any preview of that, or is it still tbd?
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Buck Sexton
Right now, we're all just focused on supporting Secretary of State Rubio who is a very good and close friend of mine in his role right now, dual hatted as Secretary of State and is the head of the National Security Council. And so all of our energy here in this building and across the administration is focused on supporting Secretary Rubio again, someone whom not only have I become very close friends with, but I've had a chance to see him working up close and personal these last 100 days and also even before then. And he's really phenomenal. And the President made absolute the right choice by giving him this responsibility.
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Stephen Miller
He is Secretary Rubio, as well as, I believe, interim National Security Adviser and also acting Administrator of usaid, I think, at this point. Right. So he's taken on a bunch.
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Buck Sexton
Don't forget he's in charge of the National Archives, too.
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Stephen Miller
Oh, that's right. Yeah.
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Clay Travis
That is a lot.
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Buck Sexton
It's a testament to the fact that Marco deeply understands and believes in the President's agenda and what President Trump is trying to accomplish. And everyone in this building, everyone across the administration over these last 100 days has developed a deep admiration for, for Marco and what he's done at State Department and what he's done in the other roles he's been tapped to do. I mean, for example, as you mentioned, the dismantlement of the communist slush fund known as usaid. And so, you know, Marco is that rare combination of talent where he has the soft skills, the diplomacy and the ability to. To forge deals, but also the hard skills. And we've seen that, and I've seen it very directly in terms of Marco's work on migration and his ability to drive really hard negotiations with foreign countries to bend them into submission on cooperation that we need. So the President has made a tremendous choice with Marco. And altogether, the President's team across the board is the strongest team we've ever had in this White House.
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Clay Travis
Stephen, appreciate you coming on. Appreciate all the work you're doing, and we want you to come back on the program when you're officially named nsa. But in the future, that might.
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Buck Sexton
Well, I'm looking at right now is I want to take over Marco's job at the National Archives. I think. I think I could do some great things there.
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Clay Travis
You know, I would actually love to get a behind the scenes tour of the archives because I got to do the World War II Museum. They took me behind the scenes. And as good as the actual things that you get to see in the museum is the things that they have in the archives that are not actually publicly visible are some of the coolest things, I bet at almost every museum because they only get to show you a small pin prick of whatever their overall collection is. So that would actually be super cool as well. Let's go into the first hundred days. Buck and I have been ecstatic with everything that we have seen. How much of the first hundred days just flood the zone strategy do you think has worked and how do you keep that pace up as we move into the next hundred days and everybody is trying to run as fast as they possibly can?
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Buck Sexton
Yes. Well, the flood the zone strategy has worked exactly as President Trump intended it to, which is shock and awe against the forces of corruption that have been bleeding this country of its wealth, its security, its prestige. You know, the worst mistake you can make when you are fighting the deep state, the radical left and their outside supporters, the communists, the NGOs, the crazy judges, is to spend a year debating and deliberating and discussing a decision that everyone knows needs to get made, that everyone understands has to happen. Because all you're doing is giving the opposition time to develop a resistance battle plan in time to engage in asymmetric bureaucratic warfare through leaks, through manipulation, feeding information to the aclu, feeding information to crazy judges, feeding information to radical Democrats on Capitol Hill. This is an unfortunate situation that our country has found itself in, to put it in mild terms, that over the years, over the decades that we have developed this deep state that is so committed to the destruction of America as we know it. You know, one of the ways I illustrate, by the way, to newer hires, how the deep state works is I give this example. If you had good news and you emailed it to 1,000 federal career bureaucrats, the odds of it leaking are zero percent, like it would never go out anywhere. Total operational security and secrecy. If you sent an email that contained one thread that could be used to say, get an injunction against the policy by the aclu, it would leak in literally one second. So, in other words, you are running an operation of federal bureaucrats that in many cases are trying to do everything they can to slow you down and halt your progress. And all the things that that bureaucracy has been working on are all the things that President Trump ran against. Censorship, radical gender ideology, critical race theory, the weaponization of the justice system, the weaponization of the intelligence system. Of course, most notably the policy of open borders and mass resettlement and mass migration, all of which was made possible by the full complicit participation of vast swaths of the federal bureaucracy that was implementing those policies, that was advancing those policies, that was defending those policies and not to mention the war state and the push to constantly try to perpetuate conflict around the world instead of solving conflict around the world. So President Trump inherited a historic mandate, a battleground landslide the likes of which we have never seen before, to implement all these programs that he campaigned on. And that is why he has moved with such force, intention and speed to fulfill his mandate and his obligation and his promise to the American people.
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Stephen Miller
We're speaking to Stephen Miller, Deputy White House chief of staff. And Stephen, we know that because of his status as a special government employee, the plan all along has been for Elon Musk to phase out of the sort of day to day of Doge. And I believe that's coming up late later this month. There's been a lot that Doge has unearthed, uncovered in terms of just crazy stuff. I mean, you mentioned the communist slush fund known as usaid. Can we borrow that, by the way? Can I use that? Can I use that phrase?
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Buck Sexton
Please do.
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Stephen Miller
We're attributing it to Stephen Miller, but I want to say it going forward because it is a communist slush fund. But there's also been this question about rescission from Congress, meaning that does Congress also now have to do a lot or else none of the spending cuts actually happen. Can you just give us some visibility into what happens next with Doge? And is Congress in a place where, because it's budgetary, they can actually do some of the things that Doge recommends? And you know, irrespective of how some of these judges have inflicted themselves on this too?
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Buck Sexton
Well, like so many things, the answer is all of the above in the sense that the a lot of these savings are self executing automatic. So, for example, when federal employees resign or retire and take the payout, you know, the so called fork in the road email that went out, all of those savings are accrued automatically. You don't need to go to Congress. That all happens automatically. You fire federal workers or federal workers are. It's called a reduction in force. The acronym for that is rif. All of those reforms deliver both immediate and long term savings to the American people. Congress has never established a floor of federal employees. It just grew and grew and grew and grew on its own. And so those are going to be enormous and immense savings for the American people. When you have agencies or functions of government that were created through executive action and that can therefore be terminated by executive action. Again, those are all savings that are going to be immediate, that are going to be automatic. They're going to be long lasting. A lot of the discretionary grant spending to diversity, equity and inclusion policies, for example, Congress never authorized any of that spending in the first place. So you can save an enormous amount of money just through administrative and executive action. Now, there are additional programs that were created through previous bills that are going to be rescinded both in the reconciliation bill. So, for example, the reconciliation bill is going to cut a lot of the wasteful Biden spending. And so you're going to see a lot of permanent savings as a result of that. And then there's also opportunities. You mentioned rescissions, packages. And that's something that OMB is actively looking at in terms of what are the packages of cuts that you can send to Congress that would get privileged considerations, they wouldn't be subject to the filibuster and could get cut with a Republican vote. So we're looking at everything to lock in these savings and make them permanent.
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Clay Travis
Stephen, are even you surprised sometimes at the moronic positions that Democrats take? And I just want to give two to you that I can't even believe are still real. Abreu Garcia, now is we're gonna play the audio. We haven't yet. Wife is on audio begging for a Maryland judge to protect her from him. And there is a report out there in the courts that she said he could kill her and get away with it. The video from the Tennessee Highway Patrol just went public of him being a human trafficker. That was up on Fox News last night. You have Democrats going down to El Salvador to visit him. The last time I think I saw you in person, Stephen, was at the University of Alabama where Trump spoke and the where he was going to the Georgia game. And then absolutely everybody goes insane last night when he says, hey, as long as I'm president, there aren't going to be men competing in women's sports. It's not only they're wrong on issues, are you astounded by the ways that they choose to fight on issues? I still can't get over it.
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Buck Sexton
Well, the Democrat Party is so deep in the throes of Trump derangement syndrome that even if President Trump, he talked about this in his State of the Union address or his address to Congress, even if he came out with a cure for cancer, the Democrats would say we are in favor of cancer and oppose your cure. So they are, they're so disconnected from the needs of the American people. They're so disconnected from the oaths they took upon assuming office or their obligations to serve the American people that when President Trump deports an illegal alien gang banger in Ms. 13, who is a wife beater, human trafficker. They leap to the defense of that alien and demand his return and freedom in the United States as though this is the highest priority for the Democrat Party is the freedom of foreign terrorists on American soil. Again, men and women's sports, another great example where they are fighting tooth and nail all over the country, in our schools, in our courtrooms, in Congress to protect the so called right of men to compete against women in athletics, to use women's locker rooms, to use women's restrooms. The civil rights cause of our time, according to Democrats, is the right of all biological males in this country to use every single facility that has historically been reserved for women and to enter every single women's sporting league. So this is what the Democratic Party is today. I mean, it's a ship of lunatics.
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Stephen Miller
Yes, absolutely. And they can't walk away from this, which is even more. Even more remarkable. Stephen, we've only got about a minute before we're gonna be running into a break. I just wanted you to lay out to the degree you can, deportations. We've seen a lot of the border is secure and we should never be ungrateful for what an amazing job this administration has done. It just happened so fast. I feel like people can't even believe it. 95% reduction, that's amazing. But getting the Biden, millions and millions beginning to turn that around and deport them en masse, is there a plan for this? Is this going to happen?
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Buck Sexton
Yes, absolutely. And, you know, I wish we had more than a minute. So the job number one for President Trump, obviously, was to end all illegal immigration across the southern border. And that was achieved, of course, in record time and to an unprecedented degree. Then the focus increasingly shifts towards mobilizing the law enforcement resources that we need to expel those that are here illegally who need to go home. The biggest near term impediment to that goal, of course, are the courts and these radical leftist judges that are trying to shut down the machinery of immigration enforcement nationwide. So we are. So Department of Justice is pursuing a legal strategy with the hope that very soon the Supreme Court will swat away these injunctions so that we can get to the business of securing the American homeland in full force. If the Supreme Court doesn't provide that relief, there are many other options that I will not get into here in terms of what the President's inherent authorities and powers are. So it isn't. We're only waiting on the Supreme Court. It is the Supreme Court, hopefully, do the right thing or we have many other options at our disposal. At the same time, we're ramping up many other efforts that will be essential to achieving mass deportation. So that includes, for example, enrolling state and local law enforcement nationwide in assisting and supporting the deportation effort. And that's going to be an increasing feature and focus of what we're doing. We're going to get National Guard more engaged in putting them into immigration enforcement roles in a domestic law enforcement setting, which is allowable under the 287 program that's used for state and local law enforcement as well. And we're going to also be working, as we are right now with Congress to pass legislation, the reconciliation bill, that will more than double the number of deportation officers working in the federal government, more than double the number of deportation beds available to the federal government, and increase by leaps and bounds the number of deportation flights that are available to the federal government. So the reconciliation bill is also going to be essential in allowing Immigration and Customs Enforcement to do their job. We have a whole series of strategies as well to expand self deportation. I think you've already seen a lot of self deportation from this country. Based on all the reports that we've gotten, we're going to be putting that into hyperdrive as well, too, and many more strategies that we'll talk about next time. But as all this come online and gets put into effect, you are going to see the removal numbers begin to explode.
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Stephen Miller
Fantastic. Stephen Miller from the White House, thanks so much. We appreciate you being with us.
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Buck Sexton
Thank you.
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Clay Travis
Stories of freedom, stories of America, inspirational stories that unite us all each day. Spend time with Clay and Buck. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. We bring in now our friend from Fox News, Joe Concha. Who is Joe? Are you a Knicks fan?
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Joe Concha
I am not.
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Clay Travis
Oh, that's a shame because Buck grew up a Knicks fan and I was going to give you a little bit of praise because the Knicks finally won a playoff series last night and they did so in exciting fashion. Jalen Bun Brunson crossover draining a three. And so I thought maybe you were a Knicks fan, too. Well, we'll skip that. It is a big week for you, however, because you have got a brand new book out and it's about Trump greatest political comeback ever. And I know that it's been six months ish since the election day itself, but it's still kind of remarkable history, I think. And you're writing a version of history with this first kind of draft of history because it's still so current. Yeah, history is going to have a hell of a story to tell in the 2024 election for a long time to come.
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Joe Concha
I think it was the craziest time we've ever seen, guys, in any campaign ever. I mean, there's one point. Clay Buck, June 27, 2024, that debate in Atlanta. I was there at Georgia Tech and we all saw Joe Biden's brain turn to applesauce. The media was shocked. Democrats were shocked. You guys have been talking about his cognitive decline on this show for many years. I have as well. So it wasn't a surprise to us. But then think about what happens after that. July 11, Joe Biden says that we need to put Trump in a bullseye, unquote. Right. And then two days later, Butler, Pennsylvania, somehow a 20 year old kid is able to hide a high powered rifle next to the one building that has perfect line of sight to Donald Trump. He's then able to get up on the building because nobody decided to secure it. They had some personnel inside of it which does nothing. But there that kid is right up in that building. And if Donald Trump doesn't turn his head hard to the right to read a chart that he had never read before in a rally, then we're having a much different conversation right now. And then July 15, there he is at the RNC with a big bandage on his ear. He chooses J.D. vance, which not a lot of people expected. Six days later, Joe Biden drops out of the race and A day or two later, pretty much the Democratic Party consolidated around Kamala Harris. So if you just look at that 24 day stretch alone, it's never going to get any nuttier than that.
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Stephen Miller
And yet they thought Kamala Harris was going to be able to pull this out at the last second. I mean, I remember there. Do you remember, Joe? I know you do because you wrote the book about it and also you're Joe and you cover this too. But when, when they had that, I think it was about two weeks maybe in August, where all of a sudden it was, oh, look at Kamala's numbers. She's the greatest.
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Clay Travis
And I got nervous. Buck stayed strong. I was a little bit nervous, I'll be honest.
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Stephen Miller
I actually, that was when I made the call that Trump would win by more than he beat Hillary by which in August of 2024 felt like a little bit of a. A little bit of a crazy thing to say. But now, of course, looks great in retrospect. But do you think any of them actually believed it, Joe, when it came to Kamala, or did they just have no choice? And they knew it.
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Joe Concha
It was like hope casting. Right. And it was a mirage because she was doing these rallies and you saw the big crowds, the enthusiasm and brat summer, and she's bringing joy back to the campaign. But she wasn't doing any interviews during that time. Remember July 23rd or so, she became the nominee in essence. And then she didn't do an interview until September. Like, they wouldn't even let her go on the View or msnbc. So she was, you know, the prompter candidate and read the same speeches over and over again and talked about how she worked at a McDonald's, which of course never happened. What I knew that Trump was going to win was the Teamsters had these internal polls that they put out, and one when he was up against Joe Biden, that being Trump, Biden's up by 10 points because he's always portrayed himself as a very pro union guy. Kamala then gets installed Soviet style. And they do another poll among the rank and file Teamsters, and Trump is up by 30. You're like, wow, that's a 40 point frigging swing. And then Trump's gaining black vote and he's gaining Latino votes, and you're, you're thinking, who's left to vote for Kamala Harris? Exactly. I mean, the childless cat ladies. I mean, that was basically all that was left over.
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Clay Travis
Joe, there's so many different angles. And I got your book and I appreciate you, you sending it out, and I'm looking forward to checking it out in general. But this thing of suddenly pivoting and going after people that they claimed were phenomenal. I don't know if you've seen this today, but New York Magazine has a huge cover story where they say, and I'm reading from the Tease from New York Magazine. It's about John Fetterman, Pennsylvania center senator. Former current staffers paint a picture of an erratic senator who's become almost impossible to work for and whose mental health situation is more serious and complicated than previously reported. It's become harder to tell whether or not he can even do the job. And it ends with they worry he may present a danger to the Democrat Party and maybe even to himself if he's not pro Israel. Is this story ever written, in your opinion, Joe, if he didn't go to.
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Joe Concha
Mar A Lago to meet with Trump, would it be ever written if you didn't say that we need much stronger border security, like things that Democrats have a real problem saying? Yeah, all these things. If I'm John Fetterman, I say Democratic Party. Screw you. All right, I'm out. I'll go caucus with Republicans now. If you don't want me, that's fine, because this was clearly a plant. And the fact that everybody cheered on John Fetterman in 2022 when he ran against Dr. Oz for that Pennsylvania Senate seat, while he literally needed, like, closed captioning in order to, like, do interviews, he couldn't do small talk. Oh, no, that's your. That's ableism. You guys can't attack him because he had a heart attack. And now, of course, they're trying to drive him out because he's the one Democrat that I could see at this point that is making common sense arguments. And that's a big no, no in the party of crazy.
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Stephen Miller
We're speaking to Joe Concha, Fox News, and of course, his book out this week, the Greatest Comeback Ever, Inside Trump's Big Beautiful Campaign. Probably the biggest, the most beautiful of all campaigns, all time. And, Joe, what happens now? You know, I know you've covered the media a lot. You're a media guy who covers media. You cover them for many years. And for example, we have discussed on this show that there's another book that will be coming out next month which we don't have to give the title of, not that we even know the title, but where Jake Tapper of CNN has teamed up with a Axios reporter.
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Clay Travis
A politico, Alex Thompson, obviously.
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Joe Concha
Yeah, yeah.
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Stephen Miller
To write A book about the Biden dementia cover up. What, what is the possible rationale to be in the Democrat aligned media and writing a book now about the Biden dementia cover up if you weren't walking around wearing a bright orange T shirt saying, guys, our man has dementia. He can't be president anymore when it matters. Like, what's the game plan here?
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Joe Concha
The game plan is three letters, Buck, C, Y, A. They're going to pretend that they actually were covering this and covering it in a tough way. You could probably find the sound bite. It's from 2020. Lara Trump is on CNN with Jake Tapper and she says that she believes that Joe Biden is going through a cognitive decline, which was obvious even during that campaign. And Tapper just scolds her, says, no, it's a stutter. Oh, you don't have any proof of that. We don't like conspiracy theories on this network. And you're like, oh, boy. So, you know, pain is temporary, but film is forever. So please, let's play that clip as much as possible on this show. Because for Jake Tapper now to turn around and then talk about how the media missed the story about Joe Biden's cognitive decline. Alex Thompson, who wrote this with him, kept saying this at the White House Correspondence center that reporters missed the story that they were deceived by the White House. No, there's no story to miss. If you had eyes, ears, sobriety and sanity, you could see Joe Biden shaking hands with the air after he finished his speech. You could see to know how to get off a stage after doing it for 50 years. You could see he's like the kid from the Sixth Sense having conversations with dead people. In this case, like dead leaders. You don't need to be told by a White House source that Joe Biden's having problems. You just needed to observe him five minutes outside of a teleprompter where he was a human Chernobyl when speaking outside of one.
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Clay Travis
Where did Democrats go from here? You wrote you're writing the book about the greatest political comeback. To be fair, if you had been on with us in May of 2021 and you had said, hey guys, Trump's going to win a landslide victory in November 2024. I don't think it's going to be close. A lot of people would have said that's a bold prediction. I wouldn't have bought on to it then. Obviously, we're now in May of 2025. It doesn't feel like Democrats have any future at all. Buck I don't know if you've seen this. CBS News has a big expose up about Kamala Harris. They say she's not sure what she's going to do, but she. Her options are she may do nothing at all. She may run for governor or she may run for president. So they have a entire feature where they say she could do anything. Where does Kamala go from here? She's the defeated candidate. It's May 2025. Is her career over or not? And who are the Democrats? Do you buy Stephen A. Smith? Do you think there's any outsiders who are the Democrats that might emerge as we get closer to 2028?
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Joe Concha
Okay, Clay, so if we're going to apply logic here, then Democrats would be wise to nominate Andy Beshear, Kentucky governor. I know he's a bit vanilla. I know he's boring. And you need to have a performative aspect to every campaign. We saw with Obama. We saw it with Trump. Biden doesn't count because that was Covid and that was like the bubble year when the Lakers won the championship. I can't even count that.
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Clay Travis
Right.
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Joe Concha
That was no normal thing.
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Clay Travis
Let me. Let me pause here for a sec. Andy Beshear is the biggest pussy willow on the planet. I want to say that I have to add willow. I hope they nominate him. He is the most milquetoast, complete loser with no spine whatsoever. He would get obliterated. But he might be their pick. Sorry, I just have to put that in there. This guy, I hate to say it because he went to Vanderbilt. We're both alums from the same school, but he's a total loser with no spine.
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Paul Morrow
Wow.
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Joe Concha
Okay. I wanted to go pussy willow, but I wasn't sure if the FCC would have, like, a problem with that.
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Clay Travis
So you have to add the willow.
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Joe Concha
The willows, the whole thing. Yeah, No, I totally agree. Blank willow. That was from the Howard Stern movie. Let's see.
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Stephen Miller
So.
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Joe Concha
But, but, but my. My mild retort would be that he is at 68% approval in a red state like Kentucky.
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Clay Travis
So I don't believe it. I don't believe he has that approval.
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Joe Concha
Okay, very good. I like.
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Stephen Miller
I like when Tennessee sticks up for Kentucky on this one. Clay is like, you know what? I'm not. I'm not going to throw Kentucky under the bus and believe that 70% of them actually like their governor.
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Joe Concha
Yes, that's great. But you're right about 2021. I never would have predicted that Trump would be sitting where he is today. I was on board with Ron Desantis I was publicly on board with Ron DeSantis. I thought that he was Trump without the baggage, without the 94 felony counts, without. Not a hostile media, but not as hostile a media. But it probably would have happened anyway. But the way he was running Florida, he wins by 18 points in 2022. And I go down there to do a speech. It was in Naples, Florida, and there's maybe 2, 250 people there. And I did a straw poll, like, who would you like to be the nominee on the Republican side? And I thought that DeSantis would get half the votes because he just did so well in that election. And DeSantis maybe got 10%. Nikki Haley got like 1%. And the other 90 basically went to Donald Trump, a big boy. No one's going anywhere. They are loyal to this man. And that's when I started to change my mind about Trump. As for Kamala, her career's over. I don't even think she could win in California. You remember in 2019 when she ran for president, she dropped out before the California primary because she was polling at sixth place in California, her own state, behind Andrew friggin Yang. I mean, so I don't know. After this election, I think a lot of people saw that she's all foam and no beer, all bubbles and no bath. And this is somebody that if they nominate her, they could lose 51 states, which is mathematically impossible, but I think it would be that bad. Then the other alternative is aoc, which she has the energy, I guess she has a social media following. She's never passed one piece of legislation since she's been in Congress. Sure. But that doesn't matter, I guess, in this world. So I could see aoc, but then again, is she going to really win? Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, Nevada. I can't see her doing well in those states. So I don't know where Democrats go here. It's probably someone we're not even talking about, like a Mark Cuban or somebody like that.
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Clay Travis
God forbid. Joe, go get the book. We encourage everybody to check it out. Give us the title one more time for people as they roll into the weekend.
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Joe Concha
Okay, I will give you the title that I wanted. All right. The Greatest Comeback Ever. Inside Trump's big, beautiful Campaign, Unburdened by what has been. But they said I couldn't put the last part on because there wasn't enough real estate on the COVID So go figure. So, yeah, the greatest comeback ever. Thank you, guys. It's a bestseller.
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Clay Travis
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Leon Neyfakh
The fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.
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Paul Morrow
Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir?
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Clay Travis
No.
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Leon Neyfakh
It became known as the Iran Contrast.
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Clay Travis
Affair and I'm not taking any more questions.
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Joe Concha
In just a second I'm going to ask.
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Leon Neyfakh
I'm Leon Naifak, co creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today.
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Buck Sexton
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane I can't begin to tell you. Please do.
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Leon Neyfakh
To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Stephen Miller
Very honored to bring to you. First time on the program, Paul Morrow, former NYPD inspector, attorney, and founder of ops. Also formerly my boss in the chain of command at the NYPD Intelligence Division. Paul, it's going back 15 years now. I'm getting old, my friend. You know, I got to Think back to these times now. And I was, I was just a young buck making my way in the world. And I appreciated your, your steadfast leadership in the intel division. Always doing a great job. So thank you for being here with us first and foremost, of course.
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Paul Morrow
Thank you for having me. Buck, you haven't changed. I got to tell you, you look the same, brother.
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Stephen Miller
Thank you. That is true. I definitely, definitely do look the same. A little more.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Stephen Miller
You know, the hair is still there. I'm a lucky man. So you're launching. Let's talk about this for a second. If you're launching a new weekly FOX NATION show, KAREN Reed RETRIAL Life. So, you know, my wife is a little more into the true crime stuff than I am, which I don't think I'm the only guy in America who's going to say that. But the Karen Reed trial, we haven't talked about this on the show. Can you tell everybody, like, why this is fascinated so many people, they're all focused in on this, what's going on.
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Paul Morrow
So the stories are so divergent and obviously only one side can be true. And this is one of those things where there are undeniably strong indicators on both sides. Now, look, I incline heavily towards the law enforcement side of things. The idea that something like five different agencies and well into double figures all colluded to try to frame this woman, I find preposterous. And now apparently that conspiracy has grown to include the forensics team that dumped the phone of a woman named Jen McCabe who's the prime witness. So that is kind of the beauty of the defense of a police conspiracy because everything can come under that rubric. And so as the prosecution presents its evidence, the implication on the defense side is these people have all been co opted into some sort of a police conspiracy. But that is something that you only need one juror to entertain for Karen Reed to this time around. Remember, she was tried once already and the jury hung. You only need one to have either beyond a reasonable doubt questions to hang the jury or if you can get all 12 to have the reasonable doubt, you have an acquittal. So despite the fact that there is some really compelling evidence in my mind and that should likely hold sway here, there is.
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Joe Concha
Paul.
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Stephen Miller
What, what happened? I'm not sure that everybody listening knows just the what are the basic facts of the case of this Karen Reed trial because I know in the true crime world, everyone's watching this, they're fascinated. There's a Netflix series, I think out on this right what happened?
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Paul Morrow
Oh, there's several. Oh, all right. So she comes back from drinking at a bar with her boyfriend. They're not live in, but they practically live together, etc. And they go to a house party after they're out at this bar with a bunch of people, and they're invited back to this house party. And a lot of the same people are at the house party as were at the bar. That's where the stories diverge. She claims that he went in the house, never to be seen alive again by her, and that in the house something happened and he was dumped on the lawn to expire from blunt force trauma and hypothermia. On the prosecution side, they say that she let him out of the car to go into the house. They were having an argument, she reversed into him, hit him, he fell backwards, bumped his head on the curb. It was the night of a historic blizzard in New England. This is all happening in Massachusetts. And then she leaves the scene. Now, from there, that's the basic facts of the two sides of things. And that's where the story diverge. And one of the things that emerges when you tease it out is even under the fact pattern that the prosecution is alleging, can you get to the point that it is an intentional murder? And a lot of people feel the question becomes, was the case overcharged because she's charged with murder two, intentional murder and then manslaughter and then a leaving the scene charge. So those are the two sides of things. And there are strong indicators on both sides.
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Clay Travis
What's the motivation? I mean, she was angry at him, but is this a couple that had a history of domestic violence? I'm like, buck, I have not followed these cases. Sometimes I get super fascinated by them. I bet a lot of our audience is very well informed. I bet a lot of them also have not been following this. You laid out the two different arguments, but what was the motive to precipitate the argument in general, what was their relationship like? Why would something. I think most people would say, hey, getting in a fight. I'm also betting there was a lot of alcohol involved, which makes it more difficult to know anybody who has ever been outside in cold weather. That's one of the dangers when you drink is you don't feel the cold in the same way. And if she's driving and she's been consuming alcohol, that certainly can impact things. What? How would we assess that?
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Paul Morrow
So certainly they were drinking the video they pulled from the night in the bar, and they'd been at another bar first has her drinking about nine drinks. They were all drinking a lot, there's no doubt about that. And in fact, she has nine drinks with sidecars. In other words, nine drinks that I've seen her picture.
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Clay Travis
She weighs like 120 pounds. I mean, we're not talking about nine drinks for like a 350 pound guy.
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Paul Morrow
That's right. And then she drives. She's the one who's driving, remember? And all this comes into play because it damages potentially her recollections of what occurred. So they're all banged up. There's no two ways about that. They drive to the house party. She's never been to the house before. They get there. Now look, there's no indicia of any domestic violence in the past. But you raise a really salient question because what is there is after she lets him out of the car, under either fact pattern, when they dump his phone, they get voicemails from her to him and she is screaming at him. There's something like 50, 60 calls from her over the next couple of hours where she is screaming, cursing at him, yelling at him. Here's why that matters. Sure, it indicates that the relationship was fraying, they'd only been together a couple of years, et cetera. But what it also indicates to me is that she thought he was alive. She's leaving him these messages. She does sound to me like she's acting so if she's yelling at him, she thinks he's alive, she thinks he's going to get these messages. Well, then this to me undermines the idea that the murder was intentional. And so that's why a lot of people do feel like the case maybe was overcharged and that the manslaughter charged, that is an intent to injure results in death. That might have been a more reasonable top charge.
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Clay Travis
Not to mention, if she's that drunk and driving a car, she may be reckless to your point, but the intent of committing a murder, she might not have even been capable of it. Right, because she might be engaging in reckless behavior, but also she's so drunk she might not have been able to even understand exactly what she was doing.
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Paul Morrow
So generally in the law, the idea that you were incapacitated due to your own actions, you were drinking, you were on drugs, et cetera is not going to be a defense. Where it can sometimes come in is under a diminished capacity calculus in the sentencing phase. So, you know, we'd have to see if that has any impact on the way this goes with the judge and so forth. If it gets that far. But at this point in the proceedings, the key witnesses have already in my mind taken the stand. The prosecution really front loaded things. And that is the. And you know, Buck, you're well familiar with this. We were doing this when you were at the pd, the forensic digital work on the phones involved here, in addition to the phone stuff I just talked about from one of the witnesses, a woman named Jim McCabe who's been testifying they dumped her phone at 2:27. The original allegation was that Jen McCabe googled how long to die in the cold if that happened at 2:27 Karen Reed has got to get off because the body's not found till 0600, 6:00, actually about 6:20. However, the firm that dumped the phone firm called Celebrate, which Buck and I worked with, we did all kinds of work with them. It's an Israeli firm. They're top of the food chain when it comes to digital forensics. They now have had to come back and cop to the fact that their software didn't really get it right. And this time around, it's probably the most compelling prosecution witness who now says that search was done by Jen McCabe at 6:23. If that's the case, it happened after the body was found and then Jen McCabe took the stand and said yes, that's exactly what happened. And in fact I did that search because Karen Reed asked me to do it at the scene when we found the body. So if you believe Jen McCabe and the Google forensics guy, it's not Google, but it was a Google search. If you believe the celebrate guy, then you really got to come out saying to yourself, Karen Reed's been lying about this and it looks bad for her.
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Stephen Miller
All right, I'm sold. I'm watching Paul Morrow's new show, Karen Reed Retrial Live. My wife I think is going to be she likes the true crime stuff. She's going to love this. So we're at the check this out. It's on Fox Nation. Paul.
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Paul Morrow
It is on Fox Nation Live today starting at 3. We got an all star cast coming in. It's not just me. I'm just the host. I'm the goalie. But we're going to be doing it every week, Friday at 3, recapping this case as long as it goes on and a lot of drama coming.
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Stephen Miller
Oh, that's great. That's going to be coming up then right after, right after we finish here. So folks can go tune right in at 3 Eastern on Fox Nation. If I could. Paul, I want to switch gears for a second and draw upon your extensive NYPD experience. You know, we had Stephen Miller on before, who's a senior White House. You know who Steve Miller is, a senior White House guy works a lot on the immigrant. On the immigration piece, he was talking about getting more cooperation from local law enforcement on immigration issues for federal law enforcement. Can you lay out, you know, we worked in a place where, because it's terrorism, FBI, US Marshals, nypd, everybody's trying to work together for the same mission on immigration. That is not the case. Right. Can you give everyone some sense as to what some of the rules are, what some of the. The walls that are implemented by the mayor, the governor, etc. So that NYPD can and can't. What can they do? What can they not do when it comes to helping ice?
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Paul Morrow
All right, so all of this started under the previous mayor, who was another disaster for this city, a guy named de Blasio. And he put through two pieces of legislation in conjunction with the city council, making New York City a sanctuary city. And that's really the salient thing. We're also a sanctuary state, but NYPD are city employees, and that's what applies now. The out, even in this legislation, the out is that if you are a member of a task force, a federal task force, well, then you're federalized and you can do immigration enforcement. You can look into a person's immigration status, and that can be a lever that you use as part of a criminal case. And that's why, Buck, when you and I were in the task force now, those laws were not in place yet, but even had they been, we would have been carved out of it as members of a task force. If you're not a member of the task force now, it becomes a policy and law issue sort of ping pong game. The policy issue is as follows. They won't honor detainers. Now, a detainer is not an order from a judge. That is something that essentially ICE says, we conjured this. We need a detainer. He's in jail. We need you to hang onto him for a couple of days so we can go get him. And essentially the local jurisdictions in sanctuary cities say, no, we're not going to do that. They probably can't get away with that. Even if we go forward and run all the legal traps on it, because it's a separate sovereign state to federal, et cetera, well, you have more trouble. And we're seeing this come to a head now in the case in Milwaukee is this judge who tried to hide this guy and slip him out the back door. Why? Because ICE had a warrant. And it doesn't matter that it was not from a judge. She tried to hang her hat on that. This is not a judicial warrant. This is an administrative warrant. Some federal agencies can issue their own warrants. This was an arrest warrant. Period. End of story. The guy was amenable to deportation. They came with the proper paperwork. She tried to slide him out the door. That's why that case is so important, because ICE can issue administrative warrants all day long. And if the feds win that case, which I think they're gonna. You're gonna now put in, you're gonna compromise the idea that the ICE warrants, the administrative warrants have the force of law and judges. You can't get in the way. So now ICE knows where the body's going to be because these guys all get locked up. You know, that Buckdale commit robberies, et cetera. So now you know where they're going to be. They're going to be in state court. They got to go in front of a judge. You wait in the hallway, just like these guys were doing. You know, they didn't barge into her courtroom. This was all ego. She didn't want them in her building. And this other nonsense, you don't own the building. It's a public building. They didn't go into her courthouse. They waited in a hallway, which is what Warren cops do all the time. Now, ICE can wait in the hallway. When they know these guys are going to be there, they come out, boom, you got them. Nobody can get in the way, and out they go. And this is crucial to the worst first paradigm that the Trump administration wants to put into place. I think they win this one, and Godspeed to them, because they should.
- [69:09]
Stephen Miller
Paul Morrow, everybody. Go check out Karen Reed retrial live. Coming up here in just a few minutes on Fox Nation, Inspector Morrow, always an honor, sir. Come back and talk to us again soon.
- [69:20]
Paul Morrow
Oh, anytime. You guys are the best. Love it.
- [69:23]
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- [70:37]
Leon Neyfakh
In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran Contra Affair.
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Buck Sexton
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane I can't begin to tell you. Please do.
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Leon Neyfakh
To hear the whole story, listen to Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.