Daily Review with Clay and Buck - May 21 2025

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show: Daily Review – May 21, 2025

Hosted by Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, this episode delves into pressing issues spanning national security, media integrity, judicial interventions, and political controversies. Below is a comprehensive summary capturing the key discussions, insights, and conclusions.

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1. President Trump's Golden Dome and the Future of Space Warfare

Timestamp: 02:00 – 04:46

Clay Travis initiates the discussion by highlighting President Trump's latest initiative—the installation of a golden dome symbolizing a new era in space defense. The conversation pivots to the evolving landscape of warfare, emphasizing the integration of Artificial Intelligence (AI) in global battlefields.

• Clay Travis: "Space Force getting their moment in the sun... something like, Clay, I think 80% of the satellites in orbit are SpaceX launched at this point. So the world of space is changing so rapidly and it affects us so much." ([03:15])

Buck Sexton and Colby Ekowitz elaborate on the strategic importance of space in telecommunications and military targeting, underscoring the imminent arrival of AI-driven warfare technologies.

2. Media Bias and Jake Tapper's Controversial Book

Timestamp: 05:59 – 13:34

The hosts transition to media scrutiny, focusing on Jake Tapper's recently released book, Original Sin, which alleges President Biden's cognitive decline. They critique mainstream media outlets for dismissing or inadequately addressing these claims.

• Clay Travis: "...you can read some of the excerpts if you want, online and you'll get the idea... it's not a mistake. It was an op." ([06:15])

• Joe Getty: "He couldn't get through a one minute take... he was using teleprompter..." ([09:08])

The discussion criticizes CNN and The Washington Post for allegedly perpetuating misinformation, arguing that their bias blinds them to critical truths about political figures.

3. Laurel Libby's Battle for Representation in Maine

Timestamp: 61:30 – 69:30

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Laurel Libby, a state assemblywoman in Maine who faced censure for opposing transgender athletes in girls' sports. After refusing to apologize, Libby was stripped of her representative rights, leading her to appeal to the Supreme Court.

• Buck Sexton: "They tried to say that I'm not allowed to represent my constituents... that's unconstitutional." ([62:58])

• Laurel Libby: "I made a Facebook post... these were publicly shared photos... Democrats are making unconstitutional moves." ([63:26])

The Supreme Court ruled 7-2 in Libby’s favor, restoring her voting rights. The hosts commend her resilience and highlight the broader implications for democratic representation and legislative overreach.

4. Trump's Oval Office Meeting with South African Leadership

Timestamp: 24:16 – 37:54

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton discuss President Trump's recent meeting with the South African president, which featured a controversial video portraying South African lawmakers advocating violence against white individuals and land seizures.

• Joe Getty: "He dimmed the lights... played a 4 1/2 minute video... demanding that white people be killed." ([24:29])

The conversation critiques Democratic reactions, suggesting they are forced to defend racially biased policies in South Africa. They argue that this exposes inherent inconsistencies in the Democratic stance on racism and immigration.

• Colby Ekowitz: "The Democrats fundamentally reject that [all races can be racist]." ([31:27])

5. Interview with Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz

Timestamp: 40:39 – 55:43

In a pivotal segment, Buck Sexton interviews Alan Dershowitz, renowned Harvard Law Professor and author of The Preventive State. The discussion centers on preventive measures in law, deportation policies, and the politicization of civil liberties.

• Alan Dershowitz: "Deportation is one of the oldest forms of prevention... they're trying to throw the right people out while not doing a great job on due process." ([40:51])

Dershowitz critiques the ACLU's shift towards partisan activism, labeling it the "Anti Civil Liberties Union."

• Dershowitz: "They represent a Nazi... their work is on progressive woke left wing causes." ([43:00])

The conversation also touches upon the implications of President Trump's policies on Israel and the broader impact on civil rights discourse in America.

6. Final Discussions and Closing Remarks

Timestamp: 69:30 – 73:01

The hosts circle back to the Laurel Libby case, discussing potential political repercussions for Democrats in Maine, including upcoming Senate races and gubernatorial elections. They express optimism that Libby’s victory will galvanize Republican efforts and reflect broader discontent with Democratic legislative actions.

• Buck Sexton: "I certainly hope this has significant influence in the 2026 election." ([68:33])

• Clay Travis: "The folks who are in power in Augusta are way out on a limb here." ([67:15])

The episode concludes with a reaffirmation of the show's commitment to addressing and challenging prevailing political narratives, emphasizing the importance of independent thought and resistance against perceived legislative overreach.

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Notable Quotes:

• Clay Travis at [03:15]: "Space Force getting their moment in the sun... something like, Clay, I think 80% of the satellites in orbit are SpaceX launched at this point."

• Clay Travis at [06:15]: "...you can read some of the excerpts if you want, online and you'll get the idea... it's not a mistake. It was an op."

• Joe Getty at [09:08]: "He couldn't get through a one minute take... he was using teleprompter..."

• Buck Sexton at [61:30]: "They tried to say that I'm not allowed to represent my constituents... that's unconstitutional."

• Buck Sexton at [40:51]: "Deportation is one of the oldest forms of prevention... they're trying to throw the right people out while not doing a great job on due process."

• Alan Dershowitz at [43:00]: "They represent a Nazi... their work is on progressive woke left wing causes."

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Conclusion

This episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show navigates through complex and contentious topics, from advancements in space defense and AI warfare to deep-seated political and social debates surrounding media bias, legislative overreach, and civil liberties. Through incisive dialogue and expert interviews, the hosts and their guests provide a critical lens on contemporary issues, urging listeners to engage with information beyond mainstream narratives.

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[Colby Ekowitz]

Welcome Everybody to the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show on this lovely Wednesday. All across the land, a lot of news to talk about. Trump's big golden dome, the biggest, beautifulest, most golden dome. Talked about it yesterday, got into some really interesting stuff about the future of warfare. AI technology integrated into a global, a global battlefield. It's so much stuff to dive into on that. And we'll update you on some of the key moments from it. And our friend Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth was there as well, as long, as well as the leader of Space Force. Space Force getting their moment in the sun, if you will. Something that Trump came up with as an idea looks pretty prescient in retrospect, doesn't it? At the time, I remember there was snickering. There was, oh, Space Force. Was it gonna be like Star Trek? No, actually, it's really important as Elon and SpaceX are the preeminent satellite launch company, slash nation state in the world. And something like, Clay, I think 80% of the satellites in orbit are SpaceX launched at this point. So the world is, the world of space is changing so rapidly and it affects us so much. This is no longer just about, oh, maybe we can do a cool thing and, and get, you know, figure out something the first time we did this, or. No, no, this is affecting telecommunications for all of us. It's affecting targeting on the battlefield. It's. There's a huge world of stuff that we've been thinking is coming for a long time. It is here imminently. And so we'll talk a bit about that. Obviously, the Golden Dome stuff is big. Clay's also going to update us on this. Right. It was a state assembly woman in Maine. What's the.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it's crazy that the Supreme Court of the United States had to weigh in to get Laurel Libby, who is in Maine. And I know we have a lot of people listening in Maine to get her able to vote again because they basically stripped her of all representative rights because she spoke out against a boy winning a girls championship in the state of Maine. And so I just, I, we've had her on the show before, and we may have her on the show again. But I just. The world that we have entered where the Supreme Court of the United States has to get involved because Democrats don't want anyone to speak out against men and women's sports and in fact, will not allow them to be representing their district. I, I buck this thing off the crazy train. Democrats are on a crazy train going so fast that I can't even believe some of the places we end up.

[Colby Ekowitz]

I know we have to keep playing whack a mole with this too. I wish that we could say this argument is done and over with. We won, but they won't stop. So we can't stop because if we do, we seed ground to them in their crazy anyway, Clay will bring us into that. I think that's a really interesting conversation. More from Tom Holman on the border.

[Clay Travis]

But.

[Colby Ekowitz]

So look, let's take a moment here, okay? We had had this exchange here, Clay and I, and all of you and a lot of you weighed in about this book that original sin, this book that has come out, which I stand behind. I do not advise. You know, you can read some of the excerpts if you want, online and you'll get the idea. I don't think that you learned very much. The, the specifics of the details might be somewhat lurid, but we already knew all of this. So this would only be news to people so foolish that they believed the Democrat media when they said Biden didn't have dementia. This would only be a situation of, oh my gosh, revelation for people who were completely hoodwinked by this con. And we were not, as we know from year, and neither were any of you. Because if you chose right, Claire, if you choose to listen to this show, it means you are independent thinking enough and wise enough to see through the bullcrap that places like CNN and the Washington Post were peddling. Right? So we're already, you know, we're sitting here like we already knew, okay? But we had talked about whether we would have Jake Tapper on to talk about his book. I can tell you that Jake Tapper is a guy who in, in earlier years, when CNN was feeling robust, he was a behind the scenes, a very nasty guy with very sharp elbows and very underhanded in his dealings with people in media, in my opinion. And I could give lots of details about it. And now all of a sudden he's coming out like a whipped dog. Like now all of a sudden it's. Well, you know, I guess maybe I was wrong. Okay, so do we have him on or not? That was the question. Well, now I think it's kind of moot because he went on Megyn Kelly show and full credit to Megan, who is, is a great interviewer and, and is, you know, is fearless. Um, she and Jake are friends and she's open about that. They're friends. He went on her show. I thought, come on, there's no way she's going to really hold him to account. Now, would he have gotten rougher stuff Clay, if he had come come on this show first?

[Joe Getty]

Yes.

[Colby Ekowitz]

But did she fulfill the necessary role here of not letting him get away with lies and nonsense and asking the tough questions? Yes, she did. Yeah, she did. I mean I think on this show it would have just been like. It would have been hard for me not to start swearing, honestly. But here we go. Let's start with some of this. Let's work through some of this together. This is one of the better moments. This is from Megan's interview with Tap. And then you say, buck, why are we talking about this? Because we're still in the early stages of the Democrats finally admitting what we were saying all along. And it's the biggest political scandal of our lifetime. I don't know what could be bigger than this. And it's the biggest media scandal of our lifetime for sure. This is cut to Megyn Kelly show with Tapper.

[Joe Getty]

Play it over here.

[Clay Travis]

In my ecosphere. We were covering all of these.

[Colby Ekowitz]

It wasn't just falling down, it was getting lost. It was some of the stuff you report in your book. We knew and we were reporting on like the multi jump cuts in the videos of him where it was obvious.

[Joe Getty]

He couldn't get through a one minute take.

[Colby Ekowitz]

It was clear to us that he was using teleprompter and there was some reporting on that at the time. All of which the White House was denying. Now the current White House.

[Clay Travis]

I have some connections with the Joe Biden White House.

[Colby Ekowitz]

I had none. But you did.

[Clay Travis]

There was an attempted cover up. It could only ever work if you.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Allowed it, if the press allowed it.

[Clay Travis]

Some of us tried not to and.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Some of us were complicit.

[Joe Getty]

The Biden White House did not like me. Okay, this is. I do not have great connections with.

[Buck Sexton]

The Biden White House.

[Clay Travis]

Well, clearly sources.

[Colby Ekowitz]

You say you Talked to over 200 sources for this book after the election.

[Clay Travis]

Could have called and worked.

[Joe Getty]

No, that's the point is that they were not being honest. That's. Let's play a couple of these because I think what she said is important. He says, I didn't have great contacts in the Biden White House.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Well, that's a lie.

[Joe Getty]

And also totally. But he brags about interviewing 200 people for a tell all book. So you have to have some connections to be able to get them to talk to you. This also is great. And she goes off on him and says one of us didn't miss the biggest story of the century in presidential politics. Cut Three, how did Wall Street Journal.

[Clay Travis]

Get it in June of 2024?

[Colby Ekowitz]

And Jake Tapper and CNN couldn't find sources for this story.

[Joe Getty]

Then before he dropped out, Annie Lynske and Siobhan Hughes did an amazing job in their reporting. And, and they should be heralded. And I heralded them. I had them on my show right after the debate to talk about the great reporting. But any debate. But you did not put them on.

[Colby Ekowitz]

When they published that story, which was before the debate.

[Joe Getty]

Correct. I don't know what the booking situation was, but it wasn't because I didn't want them. I'm sure I said that day, let's, I'm sure I said that day, let's book that. Did they?

[Colby Ekowitz]

Yeah, you put on a Democrat and, and you allowed the Democrat to rip out the report as a Rupert Murdoch sponsored hit piece.

[Joe Getty]

No, no, no.

[Colby Ekowitz]

It's just, Megan, that's going to do.

[Joe Getty]

If we're going to, if we're going to do this. Let's just stick to the facts here, okay. When there is a damaging report.

[Colby Ekowitz]

That's what I've been doing all along.

[Joe Getty]

I'm one of what you just said.

[Clay Travis]

Didn'T miss the biggest story of the.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Century when it comes to presidential politics.

[Joe Getty]

And one of us did. I give her credit. This is what I wanted us to do if we had Jake on instead, Megan did it. So one more, because I do think this matters, Buck, I will give Jake Tapper some small measure of, of credit here. He says he apologized to Laura Trump. We talked about this on the show because he ripped her and said, oh, you're mocking his stutter and, and derided the idea that she could argue it wasn't mentally or physically.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Horrible thing to say. Yes, a horrible thing to say. I mean, to say, what are kids with. We will play the full clip. I mean, it was, it was gutter stuff that he pulled with Lara Trump, who, you know, you know her, Clay. I know her. The lovely person. Okay. It's like, you know, you'd want, you'd want to leave your kids with her at the barbecue, you know, for, for the day and know that they'd have a great time. Like she's a lovely person.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and what it's representative of is I've seen less of this. But I was concerned on Sunday when you say, hey, I don't believe Joe Biden when he says he found out he had cancer on Friday. That doesn't mean that you want somebody to be unsuccessful in their fight against cancer. Right. And so when you Criticize Joe Biden. What they tried to say was, oh, well, that's. You're being unfair. You're going after him because of a stutter which is designed to limit any criticism by directly attacking you. That is a clear attempt that they made to try to protect Biden by attacking anybody, raising it as an issue.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Pure propaganda, which nobody believed. And here's why they. Clay, no person would think, first of all, if you're making fun of a stutter, you would make fun of a stutter, and nobody in public life would think that making fun of a stutter is. Is something that you should do, because people would say, that's cruel. That's a jerk move.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Talking about a president having dementia who has the nuclear codes is fair gain.

[Joe Getty]

And by the way, this is just a natural outgrowth of anything we don't like is racist. Anything we don't like is sexist. They don't actually address the arguments. As soon as you go to a personal attack, that is a sign that you have lost the argument. But to Jake Tapper's minimal credit, here he is. He says he has apologized to Lara Trump.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Cut 4 you4 covered the Biden presidency aggressively throughout the four years, and you didn't cover mental acuity hardly at all. I mean, time and time again, when issues came up, you seem to be running cover for the president.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't think that's true.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I mean, we'll start with the.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Lara Trump issue that you referred. Do you want to apologize to Lara Trump now?

[Joe Getty]

I've already apologized to her. I called her months ago.

[Colby Ekowitz]

And what does she say?

[Joe Getty]

I mean, I don't want to disclose the contents of a private conversation, but I thought the conversation went well. And she said she has said this publicly, so I feel fine of sharing it. She said that she would never mock anybody's stutter.

[Colby Ekowitz]

But, I mean, you know, after we.

[Joe Getty]

Did the research for this book and I realized how bad his acuity issues.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Were.

[Joe Getty]

I, like, I, I mean, I, I called Lara Trump and I, I said, you were. You were right.

[Colby Ekowitz]

She was totally right. I just got such a lie. I just got to keep repeating it. Clay, this was not a mistake. It was an op. Just for everything you hear from these Democrats about this, it was not a mistake. It was an op. Just have that running through your head. They knew what they were doing. They knew all along. And we knew all along, and we knew that they knew that we knew. And yet the game just kept on playing out like this, which is why, I mean, here's the thing, Clay, I correctly. Not to relitigate this, I correctly identified the ruthlessness and the lying nature of the Democrat Party with regard to Biden in 2020. For the only wrinkle in my whole. The only wrinkle in my whole thesis all along, stretching back for years, the debate. That was the whole. That was when. If they had gotten through that debate, Biden was the candidate. Everybody should remember that he had cancer. They knew they hit it and they knew he had dementia. And they were hiding that all along.

[Joe Getty]

And they would have never told these stories if he had won the election. That's the other thing about this.

[Colby Ekowitz]

The whole game was they have the cancer out, they talk about his cancer. He steps down for that, not dementia. And no one asks any questions. And Kamala starts giving speeches about being the first black woman president.

[Joe Getty]

Totally. And the only reason now that this book is coming out is because Jake Tapper has no benefit whatsoever from having to play Democrat propagandist so he can effectively bury Biden's political legacy and to a large extent, Kamala's too. Because I think the conversation is going to shift to what Kamala, you argued for years that Biden was okay. I think this is going to sabotage any future that Kamala has.

[Colby Ekowitz]

They've taken her down. This takes her down, too. This is what I saw along. She's. I told you, remember this, I told all of you, she's going to end up provost at some UC school, you know, and they're just going to. She's going to be kind of sent. Sent to the archives, as we used to say in the CIA. Sent to the archives.

[Joe Getty]

I think this is going to be tough, honestly, for anybody that was in the Biden cabinet when they try to run in 28, maybe not in the Democrat primary. Although I'm curious for the outsiders who weren't in the Biden camp whether they can attack this and whether it has resonance. But certainly in the general election, can you imagine J.D. vance running against Mayor Pete or somebody like that and saying, dude, you lied to us for four years about Biden's mental acuity? Why can we trust you on anything? I think that will register really well with independent voters. You know what else registers well? Bucks? Nervousness. You might even be able to hear it during the course of today's show. Long suffering New York Knicks fan with a big game tonight against the Indiana Pacers. We got the NHL playoffs underway. And if you're in Oklahoma City or you're in the Minneapolis area, that game's going on final four, NHL, Final Four of the NBA, also Major League Baseball. All of it going on right now. Make sure that you've got prize picks downloaded because you can get hooked up. All you have to do is pick more or less for your favorite athletes. Tennis as well golf. Whatever you are into, you can play in Texas, California and Georgia. It's fabulous. Best way to get action on sports in more than 30 states including like I said, California, Texas, Georgia Withdrawals Fast, safe and secure. Some can hit your account in as little as 15 minutes. Download the app today. Use my name Clay as the code for $50 instantly after you play your first $5. That's code CLAY for $50 instantly after you play YOUR first $5. Price picks run your game code Clay Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton Mic drops.

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[Colby Ekowitz]

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[Joe Getty]

He dimmed the lights in the Oval Office and played a 4 1/2 minute video of South African lawmakers demanding that white people be killed and their land be seized. And it is blowing up everywhere as we speak. I am scrolling through to see how South Africa's leader responded. But it is really pretty extraordinary, these moments that Trump is having in the Oval Office with leaders of foreign countries, whether it was Zelensky in February, now the South African leader today. And of course, this comes on the heel, was it 59, 50 some odd South African farmers who were white being granted amnesty in the United States? And, and everybody came out and said, oh my goodness, this is on the Democrat side, unacceptable. And this has just happened. So we will pay attention to you. I just wanted to give you a heads up, Buck. This is something we've talked about quite a lot on the show and it has not gotten very much attention. But remember one of the CNN commentators said why don't they just go back to where they're from? And many of these South African white farmers have been there for hundreds of years, some, some of them since the 1600s. And, and, and these were people that have been victims of violence at high levels.

[Colby Ekowitz]

The Dutch East India Company land around the. What is it, the Cape of. Of good hope around 1654. And the Dutch didn't displace, and there was no one there. Now, you could say there was somebody there in the land that is now currently South Africa.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Colby Ekowitz]

But it was a sparsely populated land. Here's some things that people don't ever think about when they talk about this. What was considered tribal land at that point. Well, they may be curious to know that in the 17th century, in that part of Africa, the tribes almost to. I think every single one. I mean, I'm trying to think if there's any exception, Clay, they were migrant herdsmen, if you will. So they were constantly on the move. They would move with the seasons, they would move with their herds. They were overwhelmingly herding societies. So what's their land, or rather, how much land or what really is this? Why is it that there is an assumption that to be native to Africa, you have to be black? There are people. Now, I know people are going to say, everybody originated from Africa, and I'm aware of this, too, and the, you know, the anthropological origins of the human species. But there's the whole northern part of Africa is, you know, is Egypt part of Africa? It's a fun thing to ask people, this is Egypt part of Africa? They go, well, yes, but so are Egyptians Africans? People will say no, and you say, why? Why is that the case? Of course, they're Africans. Right. Anyway, it's interesting the way these things are spoken about and talked about, because the. The storyline now. Yes. Was there a racist system of apartheid instituted that, you know, needed to be overturned? Absolutely. It happened. But they didn't overturn it with a system that was also not race, or rather that was not racist. They overturned it with a system that was explicitly racist. It just switched the direction of the racism. And what you see now with Trump showing everybody what's really going on, is that the objection? You know, Clay, we've been covering the immigration issue very closely every time. And I used to have these fights. And, you know, when I lived in D.C. for a couple of years, I was doing the show at the Hill, we'd have all these Democrats on. I would say, these people are not asylum seekers. They say, yes, they are. They deserve their day in court. They deserve to present evidence to show. I'm like, these people are showing up with cue cards that say in whatever language they speak, you know, by the way, I mean, actual cue cards, they actually would have this written out. Sometimes I have a credible fear of violence. In my insert, the blank country. And that was how you pass the credible fear test. Clay, I bring this up because all the media are assuming that these 50 migrants that we've taken in from, legally taken in from South Africa are not deserving of asylum. They have no idea. None of these people have, you know, they haven't looked into their individual cases, their objection to the South African migrants. And this goes to what Trump is explicitly, I think, showing everybody right now is that they are white and that they've come here legally.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, look, sorry, I'm just catching up because of this Oval Office event. Reminds me of what happened with Ukraine, where we're live on the air and we're like, oh, my goodness. Like, this is kind of remarkable. I'm sending some clips in to our team so that they can be on top of this and we can share with all of you. Look, this is, I think, significant. So you might say, okay, why does this matter? Right. Well, and again, I'm texting in different clips that have just happened in the Oval Office to our team so that we can make sure that we're on top of this. What is really happening here in the Oval Office is, and this is unique. I don't remember this happening very often. Trump has decided that one of the best ways he can dominate the news cycle and force the media to talk about what he wants them to talk about is do it. While you have these gatherings with foreign leaders in the, in the Oval Office, which are traditionally just kind of banal, there's not a lot of news that comes out of them. They talk about how much they like each other, and it's a kind of a grip and grin, handshake style event. Trump is turning them into must see television and also forcing then the media to cover what takes place there. Now, I can already tell you what the response to this is going to be. Oh, Trump only cares about violence in South Africa when it impacts white people. Right? And they're going to say, well, yes, there is violence against white people in South Africa, but South Africa has huge rates of violence overall, and black people are actually much more likely to be victims of violence in South Africa, which is true because they're the majority of the country. But I'm just telling you what the talking points will be in response to this.

[Colby Ekowitz]

But they, I, let's keep digging into this, right? Let's keep having this fight with them because they're wrong. And so they'll lose. The more that's exposed, the more that is known about this, the weaker The Democrat position becomes. Which is true of almost every Democrat position, I think. But in this case, I think they're. They're digging a deeper hole for themselves than they realize. First of all, Clay, the people, and you're right about what their talking points will be. The people that would make that case, though, are also people who, in this country, for example, they only care about, let's say, police brutality or police violence that involves members of the black community.

[Joe Getty]

Correct.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Even though, guess what, overwhelmingly it is members of the white community who suffer from state or police violence. But they will say, oh, it's all about the proportion. Okay, well then let's take a look at the proportional violence in South Africa. And let's also take a look at the, you know, the reason, the motive for that violence. And it is in many cases explicitly anti white and it is encouraged by the state. So the people who are objecting to the South African migrants when they apply a similar framework of state violence, racism in this country, you can see they actually have no principles to work on whatsoever. That it's only what happens here and what happens there they view as totally, you know, irrelevant comparisons when they're actually very apt comparisons.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well, look, I mean, I use this analogy all the time because I think it is an important aspirational goal. Lady justice is blind. Go look at any example.

[Colby Ekowitz]

I have heard you say that before.

[Joe Getty]

You've heard me say it, but I think it's such an important example to use because it's an aspirational goal for all of society that we would weigh guilt or innocence based not in any way on what the race or gender or ethnicity or religion or sexuality is of the accused, that we would just look at the facts. And in many ways what happens is we swung right from admittedly racism against minorities to racism is okay in favor of minorities to make up for racism in the past. And we skipped right over trying to have fair and impartial application of justice.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Well, this is. Now you're hitting on the critical principle that is so upsetting. So there's the immigration component of this. Right. Which is America shouldn't take in any white people really as immigrants, period. I mean, that's what the Democrats actually want. Democrats believe that a less white America will inherently be a more just America because it is the white people in America who do all the oppressing. Right. If you actually take their. So they think that a more just America must be a less white America. That is a left wing Democrat belief. So that's on the immigration piece, Clay. But the other piece, which is what you just touched on is in South Africa you have a dead to rights case of black racism against white people as a matter of law, as a matter of policy and as a matter of day to day life. Well, if it's possible there, doesn't that go against the narrative in this country of only white people can be racist?

[Joe Getty]

Yes, it destroyed. This is, this is what I would say is a foundational idea that I would encourage all of you to contemplate, if you haven't already come to the conclusion white, black, Asian and Hispanic people can all be racist. That is 1 billion percent true.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Kind of like we're very anti cancer here. We're very anti racism. Yes. But you know the thing with like the cancer, like there's no good cancer and there's no good racism. We're anti it across the board. I'm anti any racial anti animus based on skin color. I'm anti all tumors. Right. I mean this is.

[Joe Getty]

You can be consistent. Yes. And we wish nobody ever died. We would be very pro immortality too. Yes, we are pro living death, anti death, pro living. But I do think that that statement that I just made, white, black, Asian and Hispanic people can all be racist. Many Democrats, many left wing voters would say, no, Clay, you're wrong.

[Colby Ekowitz]

They fundamentally reject that.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, only white people can be racist and therefore we can only focus on racism white in the direction of black, Asian or Hispanic. And what's really fascinating about this, you question me, you say, okay, Clay, I don't disagree. Remember when Stop. Asian hate just vanished when they decided that Asian hate was actually being driven.

[Colby Ekowitz]

You know what the problem with that campaign was? Surveillance cameras. Yeah, it was rough.

[Joe Getty]

They started out, it was, it was like two months they were like this. And it was post Covid. They were like, this rise of anti Asian hate is unacceptable.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Because they, they, the media was like, it must be guys named Billy Bob in MAGA hats. And no, it turned out it was.

[Joe Getty]

Not mostly black guys beating up innocent Asian people. And they were like, oh well, Asian hate's really not that big of a deal. And look, hate is wrong, racism is wrong. But it can run in many different directions, be condemned everywhere. By the way, this is interesting too, Trump, I don't know that I've ever seen a president who loves athletes more. He's got Ernie Ells and Retief Goosen, two famous South African golfers with him in the meeting. And Ernie Ells and Retief Goosen have spoken out to say they want to see the country Flourish, but they have to end racism in the country in order for that to happen. So these are two white golfers who, many of you out there who are golf fans will know very well. Ernie Ells or Teef Goosen, both major winners in the PGA Tour.

[Colby Ekowitz]

This is.

[Joe Getty]

And just goes just.

[Colby Ekowitz]

This is another moment where Trump is forcing the Democrats. It's like the MS.13 guy and that we're all supposed to care so much that he was deported, you know, the bad guy. Trump is forcing the Democrats here because he knows how they think, to defend the indefensible, which is the policies right now of South Africa. They are morally and intellectually indefensible. If you're anti racism, yes.

[Joe Getty]

And it's an example of moving from apartheid, which was wrong, to now a new form of racism, which is white no longer being in the control of the government. I think there's 7% of the population. I would also point out. And being discriminated against by the majority black ruling class. Now, I would also point out Elon Musk is South African. So I think I would. I would bet that one reason Trump has become more aware of this is that Elon Musk has been outspoken about what he has seen in his country. And I think Trump has certainly become aware of it in a way that he might not have.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Think about how powerful the narrative really is that's been sort of foisted on everybody in this country. Can you say, if you walk into a room, you're like, elon Musk is an African. Do people think that you're, you know, that. That's weird. They. There's automatically. Right.

[Joe Getty]

You.

[Colby Ekowitz]

You say it and they go, oh, what do you mean? So. So there are land masses that are only for certain, like massive landmasses that are only for people of a certain skin color. Is that, is that the position that they take? But that is the position Democrats take.

[Joe Getty]

Yvonne Musk is factually the most successful African American in the history of the United States.

[Colby Ekowitz]

He's the most. Yeah, I mean, he's one of the most American in the world.

[Joe Getty]

Yes. Maybe the most successful African American in the history of Africa existing as we know it in civilization. Certainly he's up near the top of the list. Maybe they'll make a statue to him in the new African American museum going up on the National Mall.

[Colby Ekowitz]

That would be.

[Joe Getty]

Can you imagine. Can you imagine the reaction if Trump came out and said, hey, I think we need an Elon Musk wing in the new African American mall that's going up on on the Capitol. The Capitol Mall.

[Colby Ekowitz]

That would.

[Joe Getty]

The reaction to that would be absolute hysterical.

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[Buck Sexton]

Hey, it's great to be on. It's a very topical book as it deals with all the preventive mechanisms that we use to try to stop crimes from occurring like deportation. It also.

[Colby Ekowitz]

I was going to jump right into that. I mean, tell us about the deportation piece and how you think the administration's doing on the legal front there.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, you know, deportation is one of the oldest forms of prevention known to humankind. That used to be called exile. If we were afraid of somebody, we would exile them and make them leave the country. And so we're using that now as a mechanism of prevention. And I would say that I would give a split verdict to the administration. They're doing the right thing. Substantively, that is they're trying to throw the right people out. They're trying to make sure that we're not subject to crime by gang members. On the other hand, they're not doing such a great job on due process. And the Supreme Court has basically come down with split decisions. They basically said, look, the president has the authority to decide who's in the country and who's not in the country, but he has to cross every constitutional t and dot every constitutional I. And so the courts have struck back on some of the mechanisms that are being used, but they said it's okay to use deportation as a method of crime prevention.

[Joe Getty]

Talking to Alan Dershowitz, you and I have trod a similar path where I voted Democrat and then Democrats I started to see losing their mind. And I have changed how I voted. I'm curious for you. You're. You've had a longer career in the law than I have by, by far, and a much more successful one. But I'm also a lawyer. When did in your mind it go from a quote unquote, traditionally liberal perspective to stand, for instance, for First Amendment free speech, for basic principles of fairness and turn into more of a conservative one? Do you remember a point in time when you looked around and said, boy, the ACLU isn't the ACLU that I grew up supporting?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, supporting. I was on the national board. I was the youngest person on the national board of the aclu. I spent years supporting the aclu. I worked with the ACLU to defend the rights of Nazis to march in Skokie, Illinois. I defended people on death row. As an ACLU lawyer, I won't give a nickel to the aclu. And I call the ACLU the Anti Civil Liberties Union. They have become completely partisan and political. Once every two years, they represent a Nazi in order to show that they're still civil libertarians. But the vast, vast, vast majority of their work is on progressive woke left wing causes. And, you know, they become kind of the leader in the weaponization of the legal system against Donald Trump, against Republicans, against conservatives, against Christians. And so I'm totally contemptuous. You know, it's interesting. I've devoted my whole life to human rights, civil liberties and civil rights. I now see something that's marked civil liberties, civil rights, human rights. I throw in the garbage pail because I know it's going to be on the wrong side of everything today. Human rights has just turned against Israel, against the United States, against Christianity, against decency. And so I have no support for those concepts anymore. They've been hijacked, they've been taken away. And I'm still a civil libertarian. And, you know, I describe myself as a constitutional libertarian, but as well as a meritocratic egalitarian and a constructive contrarian. So I haven't changed. But like Ronald Reagan said, the Democrats have left me. I left the Democratic Party hours after the Democratic Convention this year when I saw that they were picking one after the other, progressive, anti liberal speakers, anti Israel speakers, sometimes anti Semitic speakers, and the Republicans were doing a better job at preserving liberty and democracy and freedom of speech. I'm not a Republican, I'm an Independent, but I'm not a Democrat.

[Joe Getty]

How'd you vote?

[Buck Sexton]

I can't say because I love sleeping with my wife and she has made me sworn me to secrecy. I can tell you this. I voted for Biden and I for Hillary Clinton, but I'm not going to disclose how I voted in the last. In the last election or how I would vote in the next election. But I have been supportive of many of the things that Trump has done, just as I was supportive of many of the things that previous presidents have done, while at the same time being critical of many of the things. And deportation is one of the things I'm concerned about. I'm also concerned that Donald Trump may abandon Israel. That's been a concern for me. And is he going to allow Israel to protect itself against a potential nuclear Iran? I don't know the answer to that question. In my book, the Preventive State, I spent a lot of time on the Iran issue because that's the personification of preventive attacks. I used the example of Nazi Germany in 1935, when Britain and France could have destroyed Nazi Germany before it was capable of destroying all of Europe and killing 50 million people. And they didn't do it because they didn't take Hitler seriously and, you know, peace in our time, Chamberlain. And that enabled Hitler to kill 50 million people. Had they attacked, they would have, you know, killed 15 million, 15,000 people, 20,000 people, and they would have defeated Nazi Germany. But, you know, the we we're blow. History is blind to the future and we just don't know at that time we didn't know what we were stopping. And so I spend time in my book on that as well.

[Colby Ekowitz]

The Preventive State, the Challenge of Preventing Serious harms while Preserving Essential liberties. Professor Dershowitz, his book just came out yesterday. And Professor Dershowitz, if I could draw upon your time as a criminal defense attorney, I know you're not on this case. That would Be interesting. You're not on this case, but I'm sure you've been following it and seeing in the headlines. What is your just overall sense as to the likely outcome to the degree you can see it this early on in the case, or perhaps the pitfalls for either the defense or the prosecution in the Sean Combs, AKA Puff Daddy, AKA P. Diddy sex trafficking case that's getting a lot of attention to headlines. Given how high profile Mr. Combs is.

[Buck Sexton]

If I had to make a prediction, I would predict that he'd get convicted and that his conviction would be reversed on appeal. I don't understand how a jury should be able to see that horrible video of him kicking and beating up his girlfriend in the hallway of the hotel. That's not what he's charged with. He's charged with running, you know, a RICO enterprise. And that that tape is so darn prejudicial, you can't get it out of your head. As soon as you see that tape, you say to yourself, I want to convict this son of a bitch. And so I think it will be reversed on appeal. But it's very hard to believe that. That a jury won't find his conduct.

[Colby Ekowitz]

But why do you think Professor Dershowitz to lean in? So clearly you're right. I mean, the guy's a. The guy's a bad guy. I mean, everyone. There's no right. He's not on trial for being a good guy or a bad guy. He's a bad guy. That's very clear. And I think even the defense isn't really contesting that. But as a matter of law, you know.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Why would you. How would you see it, perhaps. And again, I know you're. We're asking you to sort of see into the future, which is tough, but how would you see it being overturned if, let's say, the jury does what you think? Why would you think then that it might be overturned on appeal?

[Buck Sexton]

For the same reason that the Harvey Weinstein New York conviction was overturned, and that is the admissibility of prejudicial material that swayed the jury to convict, even though the elements of the crime and the elements of RICO are very tough to establish and the elements of, you know, conducting a sex trafficking business. So that would be the grounds for reversal. That evidence came in that should never have been seen by the jury.

[Joe Getty]

All right, let me go back to. To your experience, and you're staying committed to principal ACLU and everything else. We talked earlier on this program as suddenly Jake Tapper writes a book and Says, boy, we could have never known that Joe Biden wasn't mentally or physically competent for the job. And the New York Times and the Washington Post write editorial saying, boy, you know, somebody really should have said something about the state that Biden was in. And you know, the media ostensibly does exist to speak truth to power. They wrote, democracy dies in darkness. At the top of the Washington Post, you are steeped in liberal circles where you hang out, where you live. What are people who read the New York Times and watch msnbc, what are they saying in conversations that you hear? Do they feel as if they have been lied to, or are they so convinced that Trump is Hitler that they don't even care if they're being lied to because it's a price worth paying? What do you hear?

[Buck Sexton]

It's the latter. In private, they're praising people who lied and they wish the lie had been successful and that Biden would have been allowed to run because many of them think that Biden would have snuck past the finish line because he's more likable than Kamala Harris. I don't know whether that's true or not. I'm not a pollster. But I can only tell you that people on the ms, you know, on that side, the New York Times, cnn, MSNBC side, they don't care about lying. They would have been very happy if there had been a complete and total and successful cover up in order to defeat Trump. And then Biden would be president for a couple of months, and then he'd have to leave office either through the 25th Amendment or by resignation. And then we'd have Kamala Harris as president. That's what the Martha's Vineyard crowd is objecting to. Not that they were denied the truth, but that they didn't do a good enough job in covering up the truth.

[Joe Getty]

Let me ask you this too. Given that I think anybody who's a rational, reasonable person would acknowledge that Biden was not mentally or physically capable of being President of the United States. Do you, as a lawyer, believe there is any value in challenging some of the decisions made by Biden? For instance, this big pardon, expansive pardons that he gave at the end of his tenure, based on his mind not being capable of entering into the decisions that were being made? Is there any legal ground there in your mind to challenge these things?

[Buck Sexton]

I don't think so. Because then you'd have to challenge probably some of the things at the end of the Reagan presidency, maybe the Roosevelt presidency, certainly the Woodrow Wilson presidency. You know, if in fact Biden didn't know that things were being signed for him by the use of the auto pen. That might pose an interesting challenge. It would have to be something that was constitutionally required to be signed, like a law. Pardons, for example, don't have to be signed. You can just give an oral pardon. But for a law to be valid, it has to be either signed or vetoed by the President. And if it could be demonstrated that Biden didn't really know and that he was, he had authorized somebody else to do the signing, that could raise problems. You know, in some respects, all of this goes back to prevention, because what is the 25th Amendment all about? It's all about trying to prevent a non qualified president from having access to the nuclear trigger. And you know, we do so many things preventively in order to assure that greater dangers don't exist. And we have to make sure that when we do it, we do it according to due process. And that's the crisis we're in now. We're not in a constitutional crisis, we're in a political crisis and a constitutional conflict. And the Constitution has so far figured out ways of getting resolving these issues. And so I'm not worried. As long as President Trump says and really does not in any way violate a Supreme Court order, then we're not in a crisis.

[Joe Getty]

Last question for you, quickly here because we gotta get to a break. But you talked about your experience with Trump and being of the opinion that he's better on Israel issues than certainly Democrats have been based on the platform they put Forward in the DNC2 parter. Do you hear a lot of Jewish people out there acknowledging that Trump has been very good on Israel? And the second part of that, do people say, hey, you can criticize him for a lot, but the idea that he's Hitler is absolutely insane? I'm talking Jewish voters in particular.

[Buck Sexton]

No, I wish they were more sensible Jewish voters. But there are a lot of Jewish voters who don't believe he's supportive of Israel, can't find support. You know, these are people who are afflicted with Trump derangement syndrome. Some of them also have Bibi derangement syndrome. And you know, neither Netanyahu nor Trump can do anything right. And so if he's supportive of Israel, it must be for an effort to get a plane from Qatar. If he's against people on campus who are anti Semites or anti Israel. It has nothing to do with antisemitism. It has to do with universities. Unless you are in some of these radical progressive woke left wing circles. It is impossible to understand the depths. I mean, they think it's an insult to Hitler to say that Trump's Hitler. They think he's worse. These people just have no limit to what and by the way, I know people in Israel have the same attitude toward Netanyahu. They cannot be rational about those subjects. And it's too bad because, you know, in both cases, Netanyahu and Trump have done many good things and they've done some things that are subject to criticism and people should have a nuanced view, but they don't.

[Joe Getty]

Alan Dershowitz, appreciate the time, sir. Book is out. The Preventative State, the challenge of preventing serious harms while preserving essential liberties. We appreciate the time, sir.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you so much. Be well.

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Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton Show. Hope all of you are having a fabulous Wednesday. We are joined now by a woman who had to go all the way to the Supreme Court to be able to speak and vote in the main legislature. She is Laurel Libby. And for those of you who don't know, I want to give a quick background and you can correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, Laurel. And thanks for coming on with us. You spoke out against men being able to win women's championships in Maine. Something that I would imagine the vast, vast majority of people in Maine, certainly almost everyone listening to us in Maine right now would agree with. But the vast majority of people in general. You were then censored because you refused to apologize for this. They would not allow you to vote to represent your constituents in Maine. You went to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court Yesterday in a 7 to 2 ruling said the Maine legislature has to allow you to do your job on behalf of your constituents. Have I got that right? Can you believe that all this has actually happened?

[Clay Travis]

That is a very concise yet accurate summary I would have to say. And no, it is kind of. It's pretty unbelievable when you, when you say it like that. Remarkable that a majority party would try to silence a member of the minority party and take my constituents vote away. It's astounding. The defenders of democracy at work.

[Colby Ekowitz]

What, what exactly is there and Laurel, appreciate you being with us, and thank you for. For doing what. What you've been doing. Standing for what is, I think, obvious. Obvious truth in this matter. But just so I'm. I'm clear on this, Clay's been following this. This story very closely. What is their rationale for silencing you? Like what? You know, I understand you've gone against the narrative, but officially speaking, on what grounds are they doing this?

[Clay Travis]

Well, they don't really have good grounds to do this. First of all, I haven't broken the law. I didn't do anything even against our rules, which they're claiming that I did. What I did was from the privacy of my own home. I made a Facebook post and did side by side of a biological male participating in the pole vault, winning fifth place at a regional meet last year and then winning the girls state championship this year. And, you know, they say a picture speaks a thousand words, and this did. And so the excuse that they came up with was that this was a photo of a minor. And I'll just remind folks that when you win a state championship, you have to expect that your photo is going to be out there. And indeed, these were publicly shared photos that were public before I shared them. But that's the grounds that the Democrats are trying to stretch to. To say that this was. Should not have been post. And we use that to make their unconstitutional censure and say that I'm not allowed to represent my constituents.

[Joe Getty]

So you're still not allowed to speak on the floor of the State House. Is this true? In other words, while you're allowed to vote, you aren't allowed to make arguments about how you were voting.

[Clay Travis]

That is entirely accurate, and it's just as ludicrous as it sounds. So I will be allowed to vote now, but I will not be allowed to speak as the case makes its way through the courts. Of course, being able to vote on behalf of my constituents, that is the most important piece, and that's how my constituents had been disenfranchised with not having a vote on the legislation. And so that's what we requested from the Supreme Court in our emergency application, was to have the ability to vote on behalf of my constituents. And on June 5th, we'll be heard in the First Circuit Court of Appeals regarding the full case. And that includes getting my voice back.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, so this is just bonkers to me that this could become an issue in any state. But if it became an issue, let's say in Illinois or in Vermont or in California, states that are Overwhelmingly Democrat. That might make a little bit more sense, but Trump won one of the congressional districts in your state. The state was decided by 7 points. Overall. What percentage of Maine residents do you think agree with the argument that you are making? What do you hear when you go out and about in the state?

[Clay Travis]

Well, you know, when I talk to folks, it's clear that the polling that demonstrates 2/3 of Mainers don't believe that biological males should be participating in girls sports is extremely accurate. But I have to tell you, the numbers are even more startling than you may realize. Of course, the breakdown by congressional district is impressive, but when you get to actually how much the Democrats won the House majority by in our state of 1.3 million people, they only won the majority by 60 votes across the entire state. So they're ruling with an iron fist here and making these unconstitutional moves when they only hold the majority by 60 votes.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Do you think, Laurel, there's going to be any political blowback on the Democrats? You know, I don't mean news cycle blowback. Right. I mean, you know, the next election cycle. Is this the kind of thing that, by the way, Mainers. Is that right?

[Clay Travis]

Mainers. You got it.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Mainers. Just making sure Mainers, they see this and they realize, wow, the Democrats in our state have. Have lost their minds. You know, what's your sense of that?

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. You know, as I talk with folks, it does seem apparent to everyone but Augusta Democrats that they have lost their minds. And I say Augusta Democrats because this goes across party lines. There are plenty of Democrats out and about in Maine who think it's insanity to allow biological males to compete in girls sports. And they also think it's insanity to unconstitutionally bar a sitting legislator from voting on behalf of her district. So the folks who are in power in Augusta are way out on a limb here. It is not representative of your average Mainer that doesn't agree with them.

[Joe Getty]

So obviously, you have coming up in Maine next year, a big Senate race. Susan Collins, Republican, is going to be up for reelection. I believe I'm correct in this. You can correct me if I'm wrong. And that is massive because Republicans have a 53, 47 advantage. And Susan Collins, one of the rare members of the Senate who was representing a state that voted differently in the presidential race. In other words, cross party. Am I crazy, or does this have to be a fairly significant issue statewide in that race based on what the Democrats in the legislature have done to you?

[Clay Travis]

I certainly hope this has significant influence in the 2026 election. Of course, we do have Senator Collins reelection. She is the last Republic Republican senator in New England, which is pretty remarkable. In addition, we also have a gubernatorial race. We have of course, the congressional CD1 and CD2. And we also have the full legislature every two years, House and Senate up for a vote. And so, you know, I hope that this does come back to bite the Democrats next year. And I certainly will be working very hard to ensure that it does.

[Colby Ekowitz]

Laurel, appreciate you standing strong on this issue. And as you continue to do just that, we'll have you back on the show. Make sure everybody knows about you're doing up in Maine. Beautiful along the coast. I hear Mainers have some great stuff up there.

[Clay Travis]

It's gorgeous throughout.

[Colby Ekowitz]

All right, wonderful. Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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