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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Welcome in. Appreciate all of you as we roll through the Thursday edition of the program. Rejoice. The government is back open. Last night, President Trump at 10:24pm Eastern officially signed the bill put on his desk from the House and we are now back up and running. And let's go ahead and take you into that evening event if if you missed it, as many of you may have already been in bed or you may not have been paying attention, here is what Trump said last night sitting at the Resolute desk in the Oval Office as he officially began the process of opening the government by signing the bill. Cut three.
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Donald Trump
I just want to tell you the country has never been in better shape. We went through this short term disaster with the Democrats because they thought it would be good politically and it's an honor now to sign this incredible bill and get our country working again.
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Geralynn
Thanks.
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Clay Travis
One more thing, Buck. He also said for 43 days Democrats had no argument. That argument has not changed. This is cut four.
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Donald Trump
For the past 43 days, Democrats in Congress shut down the government of the United States in an attempt to extort American taxpayers from. For hundreds of billions of dollars for illegal aliens and people that came into our country illegally, from gangs, from prisons, from mental institutions. They wanted to pay them $1.5 trillion, which would have really hurt our health care businesses and our recipients at levels never seen before. Today we're sending a clear message that we will never give in to extortion, because that's what it was. They tried to extort the Democrats, tried to extort our country.
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Clay Travis
Okay, So I, I think the number one question most people have, including myself, and I'm curious how you would break this down in terms of the likelihood is what is going to come next, Buck, is I'm glad that we are now back open. The Democrats gained absolutely nothing. They seem to have made this choice despite the fact that there was no benefit to them at all. Why will they not just do this again maybe multiple times in 2026 as we come up on the midterm elections? That's question one for you, Buck, and I think for everybody out there, too. And the second part here, I don't understand why we can't modify the filibuster in this particular fashion where we don't allow the minority party to shut down the government just over having basically a tantrum. Um, my concern is, yes, Democrats have recognized after 43 days, hey, we didn't gain anything. Trump's not going to bend. But they may still believe that they gain politically. So my concern is, why would they not do this potentially multiple times in the upcoming year with the election cycle?
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Buck Sexton
Well, I think that the midterm is going to be something of people overuse the term referendum. Right. First of all, what is it, you know, what does a referendum really mean? A lot of people don't know how much of a referendum it would.
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Clay Travis
It would be.
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Buck Sexton
But I think the midterms will factor into the assessment of whether this kind of tactic is effective or not, because a lot of the narrative is going to be built off of this. Right? There's going to be a lot of posturing about how we fought, we stood up to Trump, and. And I think they'll see this as an opening to talk about health care. The problem Democrats have. And this is. This is getting really deep into it. And Clay, this feels like something that has been building for a long time because, again, I. I started talking about politics for a living right around. It was the Tea Party era, right around when Obamacare was the thing. Right. Obamacare was the big fight in this country politically. It shows how. So it's how long, how far back we're going now, we're talking 15 years. And they managed to, with the obvious advantages they had in the media and the, the whole apparatus around Obama himself and the worship and everything, they managed to both roll out the goodies. Oh, you can be on your parents plan. Oh, we're going to expand coverage. Oh, we're going to make mental health and physical health give it parody and all this, all these things that people go, oh, well, that sounds kind of good. With this promise of you're going to keep your doctor, it's going to bring down costs, it's going to make the health care system more efficient. All of that is a total failure. In fact, it's worse than a failure because it went in the other direction. It made, you know, it's one thing to not achieve your goal, it's another thing to make it worse. If I was giving somebody, you know, special diet cookies and they didn't lose weight, that's bad. If they gained 50 pounds, that's even worse. That's what the Obamacare bill has actually done. And I think that health care is going to be a big part of what the midterms, because health care goes right into affordability. You're going to hear that word, affordability, I might add, ad nauseam. You're all going to get sick of it. We're all going to get sick of talking about it. But it matters. This is, this, this is the new version of kitchen table economic issues. So, Clay, about the shutdown, I think it's the beginning phase of Democrats trying to convince the American people to enough of them that they can regain power. Remember, they're not trying to gain, they're not trying to convince you, me or this audience, but they're trying to regain power through convincing enough Americans that they stand against, they stand against Trump. That's point one. No matter what that means we stand against Trump.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
No kings. And point two, we're going to make your life style more affordable. Somehow. I think that's going to be the whole, the whole thing. They don't want to say we're to kick open the borders and let criminals run wild on the streets. That was kind of a loser for them in 24.
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Clay Travis
That wasn't a good, that wasn't a good take. But I still think they're going to do it again. And so if you're out there and you're saying, what are the consequences for Democrats doing this? Yes, they have an internal civil war. Yes. Chuck Schumer is under siege, but I don't know that they actually lost anything. And if anything, I think there's an incentive to try this again, which is why I would solve this. And I'm saying this on behalf of Republicans, who may be the minority party again. Almost certainly at some point in the next decade, Republicans won't have control of the Senate. Why in the world would we not put in place procedures to stop this from happening? Because leave aside the temper tantrum aspect of it, I'm concerned. And I know you talked about this. An air traffic control error that led to the deadliest plane crash, if I remember, was it in Brazil you were talking about, Buck, where 500 people died when, when two planes collided. My concern is we created a situation where that could happen in the United States when all the air traffic control guys and gals are not getting paid what they should have gotten paid, they're not getting their paychecks. And we started to have to restrict the amount of flow of airplanes all over the country. And so many of you got caught up in the chaos, we could have had a real disaster there. That's the area, I would argue, of our federal government that is most important given the. The consequences of being wrong. In fact, you, I know you're a big fan of this show, too. You remember one of the seasons of Breaking Bad actually opens with an air traffic controller losing track of what's going on and allowing two planes to collide in the air. For those of you out there that are also big Breaking Bad fans, but I don't understand why we have allowed this process to occur and why we would continue to allow it to occur. To me, if we modified the filibuster when it comes to Supreme Court appointments, then why in the world would we not modify the filibuster to stop the minority party from effectively throwing a temper tantrum and shutting down the government like this. That, to me, seems like an easy resolution going forward there.
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Buck Sexton
There was a lot of talk from Trump about getting rid of the filibuster.
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Clay Travis
And then I think getting rid of the whole filibuster is a step too far. But this, to me, would make sense.
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Buck Sexton
This is what I was going to say is that this is the halfway measure is. Well, on this one, on this one, we are going to change the rule. Now, to be, to be fair and to be clear, Harry Reid did something of a halfway measure with the judges, too, Right. It was for federal judges, but not for Supreme Court. And then when we were in the majority, we were like, you know what? You're going to play that game. We're going to play that game. So there's something of an arms race that occurs within the Senate procedural rules that we will be engaging in here. But if you want Trump to be able to have a functional government and not just allow Democrats to throw tantrums like this, then I think that this makes, then I think it makes a lot of sense to do. We just have to understand that there will be a cost, there will be a consequence on the other side at some point. I do think there's understanding already, Clay, among Republicans and among the Trump faithful, among all the Trump voters out there. Democrats will be back in power at some point. You know, the, the triumphalism of the first six months because it felt like such a, a sound and resounding defeat of Kamala and the forces of, of evil, also known as Democrats, that has given way a little bit to, oh, wow, they can still make people like Spamberger win in Virginia. Kamala was closer than we think, as awful as she was. I mean, that's what I always like to remind people of. They almost won with Kamala and they did win. I know the shenanigans. But they did win with a dementia patient and Joe Biden.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
So there's a lot of Democrats out there, everybody. And a very powerful machinery around them. So we need to be prepared not just for this midterm, but get ready for what things are going to look like if and when they take power again.
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Clay Travis
All right. You want to set up this conversation? Let's go ahead. Because we talked about it yesterday, the H1B visas, and some of you may have strong opinions. In fact, I'll open up the phone lines on this 800-282-2882. For people who have used H1B visas before, business owners management, I would be interested in hearing your experience. I candidly have not ever as a business owner been involved in anything involving these visas. But there was a significant discussion between Laura Ingram, who is very opposed to these, and President Trump, who in general has been in favor of them. And you mentioned yesterday, Buck, that this kind of blew up the it was during Christmas break, if I remember correctly. Vivek Ramaswamy stepped into the H1B visa discussion on social media, and he hasn't even been that active. Vivek hasn't on social media by and large, since.
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Buck Sexton
Look, you know, I was, I've talked to Vake a little bit in the past. I was very skeptical of his run because to me, it felt like it was just for attention and brand building and it was successful in that regard. But I liked a lot of what he said and I think a lot of what he said was in earnest. That tweet was one of the worst self destructive tweets I've ever seen a Republican politician put out in my life because it really, it really was like a swipe at America and, and it felt like it was something he really believed and that is not good. And by the way, you know, his opponent in the, the Democrat opponent in Ohio, what do you think the first thing that she's attacking with already on that is I do think America doesn't have a culture of excellence. Where do they have a culture of excellence? Vivek, Explain that one to Clay. One of the worst tweets I've ever seen. I mean, not as bad as writing a memoir about shooting your dog, but, but bad, bad.
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Clay Travis
We will the positive is Vivek appears to be on track to win Ohio comfortably, which would be important and I do think he would be a good governor. But when we come back, I want to hear Phone lines are open, 800-282-2882. I'm not wanting your opinion on this. If you haven't interacted or used these, I want people out there in our audience who have used the H1B visas. We're going to dive into this. We'll talk about it some during the course of of this hour. We also are going to be joined by our friend Bill O'Reilly at the top of the next hour. Much to discuss, including Bill O'Reilly. Didn't he say this? He's totally wrong on this. We'll have to tell him that Gavin Newsom has no political future in the Democrat Party, basically as the president.
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Buck Sexton
We may tag team Uncle Bill on this one, Clay, but just remember, he's got old man strength.
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Clay Travis
You know, that is certainly true. I'm getting to be an old man. I think I'm starting to have some old man strength. Speaker 1 what is it about you.
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Buck Sexton
Reach an age and the grip, the grip strength that you have is like terrifying. You know, all of a sudden you're.
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Clay Travis
Like just it's like when people used to say that somebody was farm strong. It's like you have lived a life where you, if you are physically active, it's carrying around kids, it's dragging the chairs to the beach. It's just all of the non gym related muscle musculature. It adds up to like, I don't.
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Buck Sexton
Think Uncle Bill would be be great at deadlifting, but I think he could probably crack a billiard ball in his left hand. Like no problem.
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Clay Travis
Potentially. So we'll talk about this but H1B1 you guys loaded lines. I can already see poor producer Greg. I only want people who have experienced it, not your opinion on this. I want to hear from people that have actually used these Cell phone service.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
All right, second hour of play and buck kicks off. Right now we've got Bill O'Reilly with us, mega best selling author, commentator. You all know where to go. Get his stuff. Bill O'Reilly.com latest book, Confronting Evil, Assessing the worst of the worst. I'm sure, Bill, there's a whole chapter on people who chew with their mouths open the worst of the worst. Thank you so much for being here with us. Appreciate that.
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Bill O'Reilly
Listen, guys, I always like talking to you. Thanks for having me in.
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Buck Sexton
So let's get into the shutdown right away, shall we? What the heck was this all about? I mean, give us, give us your sense as to what the Democrats think they got out of this and what they really got out of this and how they're gonna go forward. Now that a lot of people, I think, saw this not the way that they had intended.
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Bill O'Reilly
Well, they won a partial victory last week when New Jersey went Democrat in the gubernatorial race when it was supposed to be considered very tight. It was not. And people were angry about the government shutdown. Whenever the American public is angry, they vote against the incumbents. That's all the way back to John Adams. And it's always been that way. But the genesis of this is that the Democratic Party was getting beaten so badly by President Trump that it had to make a stand somewhere sometime. And the people who run the party, which are far left progressive consultants, not Senators or congresspeople, the party is being run. There's an article in the Wall Street Journal editorial page, say a very good article about money people calling the shots in the Democratic Party. Well, they decided, look, the Republicans weakness is they don't have a health care plan to bring down costs. So we'll insist that the temporary Obama chair spending, which rose and was supposed to come back down after the pandemic subsided, be made permanent. And the Democrats who fostered that knew that Trump and the Republicans would never agree never to more spending in a chaotic program. So they knew that the government was going to shut down. Now, they thought that they might be able to wait it out, but when eight Democrats defected, it was over. So 43 days, millions of Americans hurt for nothing. The Democrats got nothing.
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Clay Travis
Bill, it seems quite clear that Democrats recognize that they misplayed this, that they have created a mess for themselves. And so they decided, hey, the government's opening back up. Let's distract everybody. Let's throw out this Epstein story all over again. You've known, and Buck and I talked about that yesterday and said, hey, this is a clear attempt to try to avoid attention being placed upon there and, you know, their incompetence. What is the game plan here as we look ahead to 2026? Aren't we, shouldn't we be concerned that they're just going to shut down the government again and again? That seems to me to be the most likely outcome because they don't really have any game plan, but they just want to be reflexively anti Trump. And if that's true, what would be a remedy? Do you support adjusting the filibuster here to stop the government from being able to be shut down until 60 senators, which requires, you know, eight, seven, eight Democrats actually come to their senses?
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Bill O'Reilly
There's a lot of questions in there, Clay. Okay, so number one is obviously Democrats threw this Epstein stuff out to deflect from the embarrassment of losing the shutdown.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Bill O'Reilly
Everybody with an IQ over 50 knows that. Okay, number two, no, I wouldn't mess around with the filibuster at all because then you're going to create a monster that is going to come back and do some serious damage. You can't be changing the filibuster rules every two years. Number three, the way to do this is for a new law and the Republicans have enough votes in both the House and the Senate to pass it. It says you get one shot at an adjustment of spending during a fiscal year one. So we have a January date coming up where this might happen all over again. But I suspect it won't because Democrats now are becoming the party of mean, the mean party. And while a lot of Americans aren't smart enough to understand what's going on and don't really care, most do. And so if the Democrats try the same stunt in January, there's going to be a lot of anger. And then you're only talking about nine months until the midterms. So the Democrats got to be very careful here. But the way to stop it now is to pass a new law. You get one shot on a continuing funding basis of fiscal year.
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Buck Sexton
Makes sense. I mean, they've got to figure out something to streamline this. We're Talking to Bill O'Reilly, confronting evil, his latest massive bestseller. Make sure you go out and get a copy of it. So, Bill, we watched, or at least I watched, I think Clay saw some of the clips you on on Bill Maher. Well done, by the way. That's, that's always a it's a good show when they have somebody who doesn't just agree with all the communist lunacy out in California. So it was good that you were there. One thing, though, where Clay and I both wanted it, we wanted to press you on this one a little bit. You said something about how you don't think Gavin Newsom has a shot at the national level for the Democrats. Expand upon this one. Cause we were both, we were both thinking that that's look, I'll just say it. We both have said we think it's going to be him at the top of the ticket, AOC at the bottom. It sounds like you disagree. Tell us why.
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Bill O'Reilly
Because his record is so abysmal in California. It'd be very easy for the Republicans, just take them apart and, you know, the spending irresponsibility. And just yesterday, his chief of staff was indicted on corruption. I mean, you start to look at this guy Newsom, you're going to find a thousand things that are going to weigh him down. And I'm not sure the Democratic Party wants to go with a candidate who's going to be on the defensive every single day. So I would say that a guy like Wes Moore is not as defined. He's the governor of Maryland and he's a patriot. You know, a military guy has done a decent job trying to combat crime in Baltimore. I'd say he had a much better chance because he doesn't have that baggage. Now. Newsom is a good campaigner. He's using Trump tactics. He's, you know, running on a Populist thing. But when you use a million citizens, that's. How many have left California under Newsom? 1 million. Most of whom were affluent, paid big taxes. 1 million. You got something wrong with your state.
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Buck Sexton
All right.
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Clay Travis
Well, we agree that he's done an awful job. Unfortunately. I think Democrats don't care about results. And he's the most strident in his attention gathering.
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Bill O'Reilly
Kamala Harris, though.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Bill O'Reilly
They care about winning the next election, the presidential. So if you're going to put up a Kamala Harris. All right. And she can't articulate anything, which is what the case was. Has not one solution to any problem. Nothing you can lose. Should we do a guy from California whose record is disastrous? You're going to lose.
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Clay Travis
Should we do a stake bet here? I don't think the three of us have gone out to dinner together. It's a little bit unfair because, you know, Buck and I get to pay half and half. But we think that Newsom will be the nominee. You do not. We're giving you the field, which actually is a great deal for you. Do we have a handshake bet here? Buck and I say right now Gavin Newsom will be the nominee in 28. Are you willing to put a stake on the line? Would actually be two stakes for you over this. Over this situation.
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Bill O'Reilly
Sure. But not because I'm that confident I'll win. Because it's gonna be a totally different country in three years. Gonna be a totally different country in one year.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Bill O'Reilly
That's why the election last week isn't gonna have any direct bearing on the midterms next year. The country is changing with lightning. Speed. Lightning.
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Clay Travis
How concerned are you about that, by the way? Because Buck and I, I think one of the big stories that is still not getting enough attention is AI and how quickly it's going to change everything in this country. Buck and I have been talking about it a lot on this program. Are you of the opinion that AI is going to be transformative in many ways in terms of jobs, in terms of.
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Buck Sexton
And disruptive with.
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Clay Travis
Disruptive, yes.
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Bill O'Reilly
The AI approach, because it's not quite here yet, is going to alter the media above all else? Because on social media, where you can't track these people down, can't hold them accountable in court of law, you're going to have fake videos 24 7. Yeah, 24 7. There's a congresswoman who accused Trump yesterday. Let me get her name. I got my notes. Because I'm going to do it on the no spin news tonight on billoriley.com she accused. And I just read it a quote, Melanie Stansberry from New Mexico. Okay. She says, I'd like to say to the American people, believe your eyes. We have all seen photographs of Donald Trump with underage girls sitting on his lap. That's a quote.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Bill O'Reilly
There are no photographs of Donald Trump with any girl on his lap. There was an AI photograph that was put out.
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Clay Travis
Yep.
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Bill O'Reilly
Now this congressperson from New Mexico is lying to the American people. Now, I don't know whether she is just stupid or venal or what, based upon some AI fake image that she saw. So multiply that by 10,000, because that's what's going to happen. And there's no regulation about it. How about that for a frightening scenario?
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Buck Sexton
No, it's, and also, how do you hold someone legally responsible, let's say, for defamation? Bill, if they say, well, I saw this news site, shared this photo and it looked real? Because especially for a public figure, as you know, the standard has to be malice, has to be false. Tough to prove malice if someone's actually looking at a photo that looks like a real photo. Right. I mean, I just think it complicates matters tremendously.
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Bill O'Reilly
It makes it harder. But I think if Trump wanted to sue Stansberry, he would win because her statements about Trump are malicious. So you can bring in a whole bunch of other stuff, and it's the responsibility of any person trafficking in the public arena to make sure what they're saying is accurate.
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Buck Sexton
Well, especially something like that. Right?
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Clay Travis
No doubt.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah. Insinuating, you know, some kind of sexual, you know, violation, you know, violation of law. Well, of course. Right. But you're gonna see a lot more of this.
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Bill O'Reilly
Okay. An AI image may exist. That's not a picture. If I were Trump, I'd go after her, and if somebody does to me, I'll go after them.
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Clay Travis
It's gonna happen to everybody. Bill, I, I, I think you're hitting on something that's so incredibly important because it's going to become virtually impossible to distinguish between photos, videos, what is real and fake. And honestly. Yeah, people are going to believe whatever they want to believe. So there is going to be no ability to really kind of rein this in.
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Buck Sexton
This is kind of a silly one, Bill, but, you know, there was that photo after the Louvre heist. You know, this is much less serious than the Trump thing. But after the Louvre heist, there was the photo of the detective who looked like he was, you know, dressing up as, like, a French detective from, you know, like the 1950s. And everyone was like, is it AI? Is it not AI? It was actually a real photo, apparently. But the guy had nothing to do with the cops. And. But by the time that photo had made it around everywhere, nobody knew what was reality. Everyone thought this guy was the lead detective on the Louvre case.
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Bill O'Reilly
You know, even gets worse than that. There was a picture of me, Waters, Beck and Carlson at the White House. But that was a real picture.
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Clay Travis
By the way.
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Bill O'Reilly
I'm tempted to say it was a.
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Clay Travis
I know this is all also going to be funny, Bill. The things that are actually real. Do you know what the number one response is going to be? It's AI. Everybody's going to say that we're not going to have any idea what is real and what is fake. Because if something's out there that you don't like, you're gonna be like, ah, that's totally made up. That's AI. And if it's really fake, you're gonna say, wait, that's fake. And none of us are gonna have any idea what's real and fake.
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Bill O'Reilly
Well, that's why Congress has to pass new laws, new defamation, libel and slander laws. And they have to pass them pretty quickly to make it easier for people to sue.
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Buck Sexton
But that, that's my, that's my point, Bill, is people are gonna, people are gonna hide behind a bad faith. Oh, I was acting in good faith standard. Unless we change these laws because of AI, they're gonna say, I'm just going on what was a re. You know, so you're right, we gotta change. This is gonna be a huge problem.
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Clay Travis
And to your point, Buck, it's gonna be hosted websites that are in fact foreign countries that are hard to be able to track down because they're going to be a lot of these sourcing, right? And then it's going to go everywhere.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Bill O'Reilly
They're outsourcing to the South Asian people, but we should have the British system anyway. And the burden of defamation should be lowered here because the charlatans are running wild. And it's going to, it's going to make it even harder for decent people not to get framed and extorted. And that's why Congress has got to get involved.
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Clay Travis
Look, I think you're. Thanks for the time, Bill. And we encourage everybody to go check out Bill's newest book. I think the Times v. Sullivan standard, and I've said this for a long time, is going to have to be readdressed. That's a 1960s, early 60s civil rights era precedent. It doesn't really play in the modern era very effectively. Bill, we appreciate the time and we'll get you on again soon.
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Bill O'Reilly
Thanks for having me in, guys.
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Buck Sexton
Anytime.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. All right, something here real quick, but I want to get back into the H1B discussion because we got all lines lit about this. We wanted to have Uncle Bill on to give us the general political rundown of what's happening right now. But we'll get back to H1B. It's the big conversation. And I had mentioned this in the first hour, said, look what Trump said when he said we don't have the talent here. He didn't mean that. I know Trump. He didn't mean that in the broadest sense. He meant that for specific things, which is why we have an H1B program. There are times when we actually do need to bring in. And by the way, they're very, you know, countries like South Korea, Taiwan, there are specific instances where there is a skill set. I brought up tsmc, one of the most valuable companies in the world. We cannot run that fab without Taiwanese assistance, even the one in Arizona, like we need them. So that's where your H1B program is very now, I think that's a small fraction, but that's what Scott Besant, he went, this is cut 28. He said, look, what Trump was really saying is what Buck just said to you. Play it.
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Scott Besant
The President's point here is again, we can't snap our fingers and say you're going to learn how to build ships overnight. We want to bring semiconductor industry back to the U.S. they're going to be big facilities in Arizona. So I think the President's vision here is to bring in overseas workers where these jobs went, who have skills, who have the skills, three, five, seven years to train the US Workers, then they can go home. The US Workers fully take over. So that's.
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Buck Sexton
Do you have, do you understand the concern that people have? Hey, an American can have that job.
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Clay Travis
Why you give it to.
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Scott Besant
But American can have that job. So it's specific skills because we haven't built ships in the US for years, we haven't built semiconductors. So this idea of overseas partners coming in, teaching American workers, then returning home, that's a home run.
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Buck Sexton
It just has to be what he's talking about. It's so funny because. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, that's what the H1B program is supposed to be. It's not supposed to be low level coding where you get to pay someone, clay from India, 30% less than you'd pay an American that you could find to do the job.
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Clay Travis
Not only pay them less, basically have them handcuffed because their ability to stay in the country is entirely reliant on them being productive workers. For you, this is why people start.
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Buck Sexton
To say it's a little bit like a modern indentured servitude.
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Clay Travis
Exactly what it is.
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Buck Sexton
And then they said, well then why were they willing to do it? Well, one, they make a lot money, more money here than they will in, in India, for example. And two, as I said, there's the whole incentive of, well, I get to bring my family here, I get to skip the overall immigration line, I get to then apply in America to try to stay with my, get a green card. There's a whole thing here. All right, we got, so we got back and forth on this one. So we're going to try to move quickly through the various opinions here. Geralynn in Southern California, a computer programmer. What do you think?
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Geralynn
Geralyn hey, nice to talk to you again, Clay and Buck. I am a computer programmer, and you all just kind of covered the points that I made to producer Greg. I used to work for a company that was multinational, and it was kind of a. It was past the initial startup phase, but it was a pretty young company, and they were still trying to trade on their startup culture. And a lot of the programmers I worked with were H1B visa holders from India. And I think I couldn't prove it, but I'm pretty sure that they. And we never discussed it because that's tacky. In spite of what kids these days think I've noticed it's a trend among millennials and Generation Z to discuss your salary. Don't do that, kids. It's bad. Anyway, we never talked about it, but I'm pretty sure all of those programmers from India were making a lot less than the rest of us were. And they were very good at their job, but not necessarily better than the rest of us who were.
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Clay Travis
Sorry to cut you off, Jerry Lynn, but you feel like, in your experience that they could have found American workers who could have done the jobs that these H1B workers were being hired to do?
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Geralynn
Yes, I think they could have. And I think they would have had to pay them more. And I think that my Indian coworkers were happy to accept less because that meant they got to stay in America. I think all the points here we're just making are exactly correct.
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Clay Travis
Thank you for the call. I mean, this is fantastic. By the way. I wanted you guys who had experience. I appreciate. Geralyn, let's go to Jim in North Carolina. You've run a business and you've had, you say, dozens of H1B employees. First question for you. Could you not have found Americans able to do those jobs? Second question for you. What, if anything, do you think should be changed about the policy, or do you think it works? Well now?
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Jim
Great to be with you, Clay and Buck. First, let me just say that the H1B program is abused in various places around the country, particularly in the IT arena. I will tell you that the dozens of H1Bs that I managed, we were. We hired them for one specific purpose, and that was because they were more productive than their equivalent American counterparts. We. When you run a business, it's the bottom line that drives your business. You got to be productive. And if you've got foreign workers who are willing to work harder with more attention to detail than their counterparts in America, then. Then you're just drawn to have to Hire them and keep them employed. We always were on the search for hardworking American workers in the IT arena, particularly in the data warehousing business intelligence arena. But we just couldn't find the ones that could work at the same level, the same degree of attention to detail.
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Clay Travis
So your position is there was no fungible alternative for American workers. You legitimately believe you couldn't have run your business without being able to hire these individuals?
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Jim
We couldn't work. We couldn't be as competitive as a business by hiring workers that were 50% less productive than their H1B counterparts.
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Clay Travis
Where did you go to get your workers? Mostly India.
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Jim
Most of them were South Asia Indian. In fact, I still have maintain relationships with a lot of. One other thing that's been missing in all of this. When you're looking at a merit based immigration program, there's no better kickstart for that than the H1B program because a good percentage of those do become American citizens over time and they add so much value to our employment sector.
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Clay Travis
Thank you for the call. David in Raleigh, you say you have been an engineering manager, I think that's what that says, for 15 years. And worked with a lot of H1B employees. Employees, your take?
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Jim
Yeah, I believe that for the most part, Laura's right. We're flooding the market with, with too many engineers and it's clearly disrupting the.
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Bill O'Reilly
Supply chain of engineers.
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Jim
If you look at when I came into the industry in the early 2000s, engineers aren't making that much more than adjusted for inflation than we were back then. But I think the bigger issue, like when Lutnick came out and said, hey, it's gonna be 100,000 per year per H1B, a lot of us were excited because that would fix the issue to a large extent. But what will happen is the companies are just going to offshore these jobs. We're already setting up design houses in India. Every big Fortune 500 company has a design house essentially under their umbrella in India right now. And they're growing those right now. And so we're watching these jobs just.
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Bill O'Reilly
Go straight to India.
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Clay Travis
Thank you for the call.
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Buck Sexton
Well, you know, part of this is also the upstream downstream reality of when you have the consistent and systematic undercutting of an American wage in a certain industry from, let's be honest, in the case of India, the most populous country on earth, there are a lot of Indians like 1.3 billion or something like that. And when you have this going on, it's going to create deficiencies in the American sector. Because Clay Perfect example. When I got out of school. When you got out of school, everybody in the top of my class at Amherst, unless you wanted to go save America at the CIA. Everybody in the top of my class. There were two job tracks for you. Investment banking, management consulting. Both of those, by the way, you could argue where's the value add long. You know, there's, there's a lot of more detailed discussions. You know, there's been whole series TV shows made about management consulting and like how it's, you know, yeah, lower your costs, raise your profits. Like that's, that's brilliant.
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Clay Travis
That's one that's really being erased by AI because you can plug the large data sets in.
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Buck Sexton
But those were two areas where in your 20s, you know, you could come out and you could start making. And I'm talking about 20 years ago, mind you, 20 years ago, you could make 2, 300 grand in your 20s pretty, pretty readily within a couple of years. I mean, I think the starting salary at the investment banks I got an offer from one at Citigroup was like 150. And then with bonus it could be up to 100. And you know, if it was a good year anyway, it's very variable. But the point is you want it to be an engineer. You're making like 70 or 80 grand. Now, I know to a lot of you saying, well, that's a great job, that's a lot of money, sure, but if you had the grades to be a top engineering recruit, you also probably had the grades to go work at McKinsey and tell people how to run their companies that you've never run before and make a whole lot of money. So this is the, I'm just saying the incentives that have been set up because people were thinking, oh well, coding almost became. Or, you know, a lot of these computer skills that we're hiring H1BS for our back office. And as long as you're in a back office situation, you're never going to really be writing your own ticket and determining your own fate.
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Clay Travis
No doubt. We still got a bunch of calls. We'll get to some of those calls when we come back. I'm. I appreciate everybody reaching out and sharing what your perspectives on what is a challenging situation. We'll continue to break all that down going forward. But in the meantime, Buck, I think you got something for us here.
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Clay Travis
You ain't imagining it. The world has gone insane. Reclaim your sanity with Clay and Buck. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show hour number three. A lot of you weighing in 800-282-2882. President Trump set to speak soon on affordability related issues. We have got a couple of different breaking news stories that I wanted to hit you guys with. First of all, and it seems like this is kind of a significant story. Alina Haba, who is the state attorney, I believe for New Jersey, the U.S. attorney for New Jersey, I believe is her official title according to Mary Margaret Olahan, who we have had on the program quite a bit. She is a Daily Wire reporter. There was a attack at the U.S. attorney's office and a suspect entered the building with a baseball bat around 5pm yesterday proceeded to Alina Haba's office. But Pam Bondi says this is in the last last hour or so. These details coming out. Attorney General last night an individual attempted to confront one of our U.S. attorneys. Haba destroyed property in her office and fled the scene. Thankfully, Alina is okay. So again left Wing violence is certainly an issue and we're glad that Alina Haba is okay, but somebody showing up with a bat and attacking the office is something obviously very, very serious. Other news, John Fetterman's office put out this statement. During an early morning walk, Senator Fetterman sustained a fall near his home in Braddock, Pennsylvania. Out of an abundance of caution, he was transported to a hospital in Pittsburgh. Upon evaluation, it was established he had a ventric, ventricular fibrillation flare up that led to him feeling lightheaded, falling to the ground, hitting his face. With minor injuries, he is still hospitalized. This is a funny quote. Senator Fetterman had this to say, if you thought my face looked bad before, wait until you see it now. So that is John Fetterman. He's doing well, receiving routine hospital observations and they are adjusting, potentially his defibrillator in the way that I would imagine that that works inside of his body. Reminds me, Buck, that quote, if you thought my face to look bad before, wait until you see it now. One of the all time great rejoinders from Abraham Lincoln. Do you remember this quote? He was accused of being two faced and his response was, do you think if I had two faces, I would wear this one? Which again, I'm paraphrasing, but a pretty witty comeback that reminded me of what John Fetterman was saying there. Now, remember how we talked, Buck, about Michelle Obama every time she speaks, making herself less likely, she less likable. She is continuing to speak and drive down her overall likability every single time that she speaks. I thought we could have fun with this and play this cut. Michelle Obama said, I've got a couple of cuts that are crazy. But Michelle Obama said, black female beauty is so powerful, we are owed respect. Cut one.
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Clay Travis
Whatever. I mean, first of all, every man on the planet, trust me on this, is aware of beauty. There's nobody out there who's like, hey, you know, I didn't know this woman was attractive. But this is the toxic nature of identity politics where she's arguing basically because of my race, that we, that we have to be respected. And I just, I don't. I. You read her PhD or whatever, the thesis that she wrote.
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Buck Sexton
Oh, no, no, no. Under undergraduate Princeton thesis.
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Clay Travis
Okay.
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Buck Sexton
No, no. PhD.
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Clay Travis
No, no. She, she went to law school, Right. She went to Harvard for law school. That's where she met Barack Obama, right? No, she was an attorney and he was an associate and they met at the firm. But he was older when he went back to law school, I think is the story.
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Buck Sexton
She, she at one point had a job at a public hospital in the state of Chicago. I'm sorry, in the state of Illinois when her husband was a state legislator. I think she was a diversity educator at the hospital making 300 something thousand dollars a year. And this was over 20 years ago. So make like half a mil a year in today's dollars to be a diversity educator.
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Clay Travis
So at the University of Chicago, if I remember correctly. I think you are hitting that exactly right. But yeah, basically a half million dollars in today's dollars to essentially have a job that is a cakewalk. You don't have to hardly do anything. And, and that is the reality. So all of this is, all of this is, is bonkers. Also I pulled this clip because I saw this circulating. Democrats have decided buck that their go to talking point for this past campaign season and maybe it's going to extend in the next campaign season is that we need more grocery stores provided by the government. We know that this was a big part of Mamdani's pitch in New York City, but this is Katie Wilson who ended up winning the mayor's race in Seattle. I don't know if you've heard this, this was a flashback to her campaign, but it is now circulating. She says that they can't allow grocery stores to shut down in Seattle and that if it does happen then the government needs to step in and be the grocery store.
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Buck Sexton
Can I just, can I just to clarify just a point of clarity. Yeah. Michelle Obama worked at the University of Chicago Medical Center. So you're right, it was a hospital but you know, it was the UChicago Hospital and she was executive director for community affairs, diversity educator. So it's what she was working on. A lot of diversity and recruitment is what I'm reading here. Guess what? She was a diversity educator making a half mil a year basically. So nice, nice job of you.
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Clay Travis
Not a bad gig. Relatively low stress here. Is that Seattle new mayor basically echoing the same arguments that were made on the other side of the country, coast to coast. What we really need is more government grocery stores. Just like Cuba.
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Geralynn
Access to affordable healthy food is a basic right. We cannot allow giant grocery chains to stomp all over our communities, close stores at will and leave behind food Desert. Together we can build a Seattle where fresh food is for everyone, not just for those who can afford it. Food deserts are not natural. Corporations create them when they abandon our communities. As mayor, I'm excited to step up and with ufcw, explore public option grocery stores to fill those gaps.
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Clay Travis
I thought this was funny, Buck, because it directly connects with the conversation we had during the snap debate, which is the argument that she is making about food deserts and availability of food has been tested and it is just not true. There is no lack of available food products that people in different communities want to buy. And so this was a talking point, probably what, 2010 ish. And now it's just coming back even though it's been soundly refuted. And I do think the fact that government owned grocery stores, again like Cuba, is being argued in favor of in both Seattle and New York City is, is interesting about the dearth of real ideas motivating the Democrat party right now.
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Buck Sexton
They've done this before. As I've said this here. Here you go. I was pulling this up. Giving the poor. This is from the New York Times, everyone. Giving the poor easy access to healthy food doesn't mean they'll buy it. What a shock there. And I'll read you a little bit from this. This is 2015, Clay. It's a decade ago in 2010. The Bronx, this Bronx section, what is called the food desert. This Bronx community was a food desert low income neighborhood in New York's least healthy county. No nearby grocery store, few places where residents could easily buy fresh food. The target of a city tax incentive program to bring healthy food into underserved neighborhoods. A 17,000 square foot supermarket opened, aided by city money paying for 40% of the cost. Neighborhood welcomed the addition, but the diets of the neighborhood's residents did not. They don't want to buy what coastal elites want them to buy. We can go over this. This is the New York Times study. After studying we can. Does this really shock anyone? This is kind of funny, isn't it? You sit there, you go in under. In low income communities. In low income communities, if people have the choice, generally speaking, talking about broad buying habits, you don't have to call me and say I have a friend who's low income and he's running six triathlons. Yeah, okay, I get it. Generally speaking, in low income communities, when people have the opportunity to buy chips, soda, candy, you know, frozen food that they can, frozen pizza, whatever, or they can buy arugula, free range, lean, you know, chicken breast or whatever, which one Are they going to do? There's a reason why they sell the food they sell in low income communities because that's what people in those communities buy. Even when you subsidize so called or not so called. It is even when you subsidize healthier food. And so what are you going to do about this? You know, you either let people make their own choices and eat garbage, basically not actual garbage, but you know what I mean, Eat stuff that's bad for you. Or you let people, you know, you tell them that this is all. Remember Clay, they're worried about food deserts, but the SNAP program has to cover chips and soda. Well, which is it?
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Clay Travis
Yes. And the government run grocery stores. I just, I. One of the, the biggest challenges of capitalism is young people who have all of the benefits of living in a capitalistic society decide that capitalism doesn't work. And it's all one big circle. I feel like we've seen this with policing where people say, oh, you know what? Being concerned that you have too many violent predators behind bars is a luxury of a low crime environment. And so you have a low crime environment. And people start saying, hey, you know what? We need fewer cops and we need fewer people in prisons and we need more lenient treatment of bad guys. And then there's more bad guys on the street. What happens? The overall violent crime rate skyrockets. And it would be nice if we could just have public policy that acknowledges what works and what doesn't. And how about we don't try the things that we know don't work? Government funded grocery stores. I just. The profit margin on grocery stores buck is 1 or 2%. It's one of the hardest businesses to run.
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Buck Sexton
You know what would really be the test? And this would. This would go to mamdaniism and everything as well. We should run an experiment, go to one of these supposed. Remember it's a food desert. It's also an area where we're gonna be told people are oppressed and there's all this oppression. It's a low income community and I'm sure there's systemic racism involved and all this other stuff go into that community. Clay set up a just a nor Just let. Let the grocery store that's there or let the place where people get their food. A lot of times it's more like a. In New York I'm speaking about now, it's more like a convenience store. People go in and they'll have food there, but they won't have the big aisles like they will in A in a giant or a food town or you know, whatever. A and P. I don't even know if that exists anymore. Does A and P still exist?
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Clay Travis
The grocery store, we got Publix, we got Piggly Wiggly, we got Kroger where I Publix.
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Buck Sexton
I should have said pub. Like I just lost my Florida card for a week. I should have said Publix right away. I didn't. Anyway, they don't have something like that necessarily. But you could honestly, I think offer in the, in these same communities you could offer, not just reduce. You could say, okay, you can either buy the stuff that we deem unhealthy or, or we'll give you, we'll give you the healthy food free. And I think that people would be shocked to see what the actual result of that experiment is.
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Clay Travis
I think that would be super intriguing.
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Buck Sexton
People want to eat what they want to eat. Bottom line.
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Clay Travis
And we'll come back, we'll take some of your calls. Still a lot of people weighing in H1B discussion impressed by the the quality of takes there. But I want to tell you what we are a little bit less than six weeks until Christmas. Believe it or not, Thanksgiving is, am I correct in this? 14 days away, two weeks from today is Thanksgiving. It's going to be here in a hurry. We're going to be rolling into the holiday season and you can give an incredible gift to your family. That's a legacy box. They can take your old VCR tapes, they can take your old 8 millimeter film reels. They can take your old photographs. Whatever family media you have, you can get hooked up right now@legacybox.com Clay for a nine dollar per tape deal. That is a dollar nine per tape deal@legacybox.com Clay early access to the best deals of the year. Legacybox.com Clay give your family the gift of memories that will last a lifetime. Digitally preserved forever@legacybox.com Clay that's a legacybox.com Clay News and politics, but also a little comic relief. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Buck Sexton
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. You know we important thought that we just had also about the food situation there and the idea of government run grocery stores. There's a lot of lobbying that goes on by big Agra and the big food companies to make sure that the things that the liberal elites who run these cities don't want the low income communities to be ingesting in those quantities are covered by things like food stamps, AKA Snap. Right? Obviously they renamed it because food stamps after a while had picked up something of a negative connotation. It was food welfare and so they call it SNAP now. But it's the same basic, same basic premise or it is the same premise. And I think that that's one aspect of this is that there's a big incentive, Clay, to make people or to encourage people to eat this stuff and for it to be subsidized by the government. And beyond that, I just think what experience with a government entity makes you think that you want the government in charge of stocking and getting the best quality for the dollar.
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Clay Travis
This is actually a really fun question.
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Buck Sexton
I'm still ticked off about how bad the Food was in my private high school. It was a scholarship school. It was prison food. My high school should be ashamed at the food that they were making us eat. And that wasn't even the government. Like, I can't imagine what it's like in an actual prison or a state facility.
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Clay Travis
Look, the. The efficiency required to be a profitable grocery store, to say nothing of the competition that must occur for cleanliness and lack of spoilage and all of those things. Kansas City tried this. Remember the story that was out there about Kansas City? They said, hey, we need to have government run grocery stores. They couldn't get produce there in a healthy way. Right. It was spoiling. Nobody wanted to shop there. The shelves were mostly empty. It was an unmitigated disaster. Which, buck, if you told me, what do you expect a government run grocery store to look like? It is what happened in Kansas City. It's what I would have predicted. And I wish we had trips, like field trips, so kids could go to Cuba and actually see what the full fruition of a government system that they're supporting now in New York City is like so that you could understand what it's like to not have air conditioning. WI fi never works. Government owned grocery stores where everybody stands in line for hours to be able to get a bar of soap, like, this is crazy.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Actually get heard in the car, at.
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Buck Sexton
The gym, on the couch, while people are walking their dogs.
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Clay Travis
Who's a good boy?
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Buck Sexton
Who's a good boy? You're a good boy. That's right.
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Clay Travis
You're a good.
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Buck Sexton
So why not make the next ad about you?
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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