Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Nov 17 2025

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Daily Review with Clay and Buck – Nov 17, 2025
Date: November 17, 2025
Host: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton | iHeartPodcasts

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Main Theme and Episode Overview

This episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show centers on major recent revelations regarding the would-be Trump assassin in Butler, Pennsylvania, and broader patterns of political violence associated with far-left ideologies, particularly those involving trans-identifying individuals. The hosts criticize failures in law enforcement and media reporting, discuss the implications for national security and the 2024 election, and feature an in-depth interview with potential Alabama Senate candidate and media personality Paul Finebaum, along with commentary on political culture, media, and trends in dating and masculinity.

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Key Topics and Insights

1. Revelations about the Trump Assassin in Butler, PA

Detailed Discussion (03:26 – 18:00; 37:59 – 47:18)

• Blockbuster Findings:

  • New information from Miranda Devine and Tucker Carlson’s teams reveals the would-be assassin had posted violent threats against Trump for months on YouTube under his own name.
  • Contrary to previous official suggestions, the shooter had a strong online footprint: engaging in extremist rhetoric, identifying with far-left ideologies, using "they/them" pronouns, and having a so-called "furry fetish."
  • Media and law enforcement initially claimed there was no online trail or clear motive, statements now shown to be false.
  • The individual evolved from a pro-Trump poster to an anti-Trump, lockdown-extremist radical during the Covid era.

• Failure of Law Enforcement and Media:

  • The hosts question why Tucker Carlson’s investigative team could uncover these facts before the FBI or mainstream press.
  • Critique of the FBI: the agency’s alleged inability — or unwillingness — to pursue digital evidence when it doesn't suit “the narrative.”
  • Clay Travis:

    “What does it say that the New York Post and Tucker Carlson are more reliable sources for investigating a would-be assassin of Donald Trump than our security apparatus, including the FBI? This is troubling…is it actually incompetence at all?” (14:32)

• Political & Cultural Context:

  • The hosts coin and discuss "trantifa" (transgender + antifa) as a new descriptor for the violent far-left fringe linked to recent high-profile attacks, including those on Trump, Charlie Kirk, and others.
  • Buck Sexton:

    “Tran Tifa is the most dangerous terrorist ideology in America right now. That is a reality that we all have to understand.” (15:04)
    “How many tran tifa furry terrorists do we have to have involved in the most heinous and high-profile violence of a political nature before we realize this is a serious problem?” (06:22)

• Systemic Coverups:

  • Narrative manipulation: Authorities and legacy media were quick to float the “Republican shooter” angle or claim "no motive," despite clear digital evidence to the contrary.
  • The show's guests (Cash Patel, Miranda Devine) and the hosts express that left-wing rhetoric contributed to radicalization and violence.

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2. Interview: Paul Finebaum Considering Run for Senate in Alabama

In-depth Conversation (23:37 – 37:59)

• Background and Motivation:

  • Paul Finebaum, ESPN/SEC Network personality, discusses serious consideration of entering the Alabama Senate race.
  • Inspired partly by the assassination of Charlie Kirk (September 10th), and conversations with close associates (notably Tim Tebow).
  • Emphasis on bridging divides between Jews and Christians, referencing past prejudices and changing contemporary culture.

• Challenges and Candidacy:

  • Acknowledges skepticism about a Jewish candidate in Alabama but believes times have changed.
  • Intends to run on principle, not as a career politician or identity candidate.
  • Cites encouragement from sports coaches, administrators, and young people.

• Policy Focus:

  • Top Priorities: The economy (“pocketbook issues”), national security, and the crisis in college athletics.
  • Notes a sense of urgency among younger Americans regarding their future and political apathy.

• Cultural Insights:

  • Finebaum relays stories about football, political attacks from “low-level operatives,” and reactions from local media.
  • Expresses confidence: “Yeah, you would win in a landslide,” Clay affirms (37:35).

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3. Other Key Political News and Commentary

Throughout hours 2 & 3 (41:24 – 47:18)

• Epstein Files Release:

  • President Trump calls for full disclosure of Epstein’s files — a move hosts say will deflate partisan attacks from Democrats and “shiny object” distraction tactics.
  • Clay and Buck argue if there were evidence against Trump in those files, it would already have been used in existing legal/political attacks.

• Tucker Carlson / Nick Fuentes Interview Controversy:

  • Discussion on media guest choices, with President Trump refusing to criticize Carlson for interviewing Fuentes.
  • Buck and Clay argue for journalistic independence — “We’re not going to be the speech police for individuals on the right…” (53:03).
  • Notable quote from Tucker (shared by Clay):

    “Huge proportions of the institutional Republican Party…hate free speech every bit as much as the left does. They are every bit as censorious as some blue-haired, menopausal Black Lives Matter activist… and I just didn’t know that. And I’m disgusted. I feel betrayed.” (51:51)

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4. Culture, Masculinity, and Modern Dating

Light-hearted, relevant segment (65:54 – 74:14)

• Dating Advice & Social Trends:

  • Hosts riff on viral “May I meet you?” dating advice from billionaire Bill Ackman—deemed “incredibly awkward” and mocked online.
  • Sociological commentary: Changing courtship norms, reduced male confidence in approaching women in public, and the role social media/dating apps play.

• Masculinity in Media:

  • Running joke about Clay’s choice of rosé at a public event, with playful ribbing from co-hosts and producer; Clay defends his choice with wit:

    “There was no… [need to] get a double scotch neat to appear manly. It’s exactly right.” (64:11)

  • Health trivia: Buck mentions beer’s phytoestrogen content and its effect on male hormone levels.

• Practical Advice for Young Men:

  • Buck: “Women, like bees, can smell fear. The most important thing is your attitude… If you’re fearless, it’s fine…once you’re desensitized to rejection, you no longer have fear.” (69:25)
  • Clay agrees: “Trying to approach a group of girls if you’re a guy is insanely difficult… You just have to think of it as you’re a batter up to [the] plate and you’re going to swing and miss a bunch.”

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Quote/Exchange | Speaker | |-------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-------------------------| | 06:22 | “How could it possibly take so long for this to be uncovered?… They can send people to Melania’s underwear drawer… but this?” | Buck Sexton | | 15:04 | “Tran Tifa is the most dangerous terrorist ideology in America right now.” | Buck Sexton | | 14:32 | “What does it say that the New York Post and Tucker Carlson are more reliable sources… than our security apparatus, including the FBI?” | Clay Travis | | 27:25 | “That would be one of the major goals… right now I don’t need to tell anyone listening where that issue [Christian-Jewish division] is…” | Paul Finebaum | | 37:35 | “Yeah, you would win in a landslide. Buck’s right: when you decide to run, you come on, you announce it with us.” | Clay Travis | | 51:51 | “Huge proportions of the institutional Republican Party all kind of hate free speech every bit as much as the left…” | (Quoting Tucker Carlson) | | 69:25 | “Women, like bees, can smell fear… you gotta have no fear because they, that’s—you, are you co-signing this one, Clay?” | Buck Sexton |

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:26 – 18:00: Deep dive on the Butler, PA Trump assassin revelations and failures of law enforcement/media.
• 23:37 – 37:59: Interview with Paul Finebaum on his potential Senate run.
• 41:24 – 47:18: Epstein files, Trump’s response, and criticism of media narratives.
• 49:07 – 54:58: Free speech, Tucker Carlson & Nick Fuentes, and media policing debates.
• 65:54 – 74:14: Humor: masculinity, modern dating, Bill Ackman’s viral advice, and practical tips.

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Tone and Style

True to their ethos, Clay and Buck tackle intense, controversial issues with directness, skepticism of official narratives, and a willingness to challenge political correctness. The tone is at once urgent (regarding political violence and law enforcement failures), irreverent, and sardonic, particularly in their cultural commentary and banter.

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For New Listeners

This episode offers a window into the show’s blend of breaking political news, critical analysis, cultural commentary, and lighthearted humor, particularly around issues where cultural and political lines blur. The exchanges are unscripted, frank, and peppered with both anecdotal stories and strong opinions, all reflecting Clay and Buck’s unique perspective on current events and American life.

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Next-Day Preview: Miranda Devine will return to discuss her in-depth reporting on the Trump assassin’s social media history. Further reaction to ongoing political and media narratives, plus updates from Clay on his “super secret” out-of-country trip.

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Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome in Monday Edition. Clay travis, BUCK SEXTON SHOW we appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the Monday edition of the program. Lots of revelations that came out over the course of the weekend that we will be discussing. Senator Mark Wayne Mullen scheduled to join us as well as potential Senate candidate Paul Feinbaum from Alabama SEC Network, espn, all of those places, all of that discussion still to come. But Buck, this is pretty crazy from Tucker Carlson and also from our friend Miranda Devine. Miranda Devine will join us tomorrow on the program. There are new, I would say pretty blockbuster revelations that have just dropped about the would be Trump assassin in Butler, Pennsylvania. Among some of the revelations, the guy was on YouTube posting violent threats against Donald Trump for months in 2020. Nothing was done to him. He used they them pronouns. He evidently had some form of furry fetish, hated Trump, loved political violence, was engaging in extremist rhetoric and he called Trump racist and called Republicans a cult. They have said that he was a Republican. That is, Buck, a complete and total lie. And so all of this again, you can go read it yourself. Miranda will be on the program tomorrow. Buck, this is it was always we said on this program, it's been over a year now since that July 13 shooting. But it has always been the case that the idea that somehow the Trump shooter was a Republican or a Trump supporter, which is one of the things they tried to float, it's always been ridiculous. But for all of these revelations to come out, not from everyone involved in the, in the actual investigation, but from the media, I think is frankly inexcusable. And remember, they have basically said, oh, we may never know the motivations here. This guy didn't leave any trail online. We've been unable to uncover anything about him. He had like a dozen social media accounts where he was posting all the time. What is going on here?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, also how could it possibly take so long for this to be uncovered? And why is it that this was at least in part uncovered by Tucker Carlson's investigative team? They have better, better resources. I mean, credit to them. They have better resources than the FBI, than the intelligence community. The intelligence community and the federal law enforcement apparatus is vast, my friends, and does have tremendous power, as we know. Because when they decide to go after you for a nonviolent J6 protest, they can show up at 5am, kick down your door, find you anywhere in the country and send 30 agents we know that was there, that was possible. They can send people to go into Melania's underwear drawer in Mar A Lago because of some dusty documents in a bin. That they can do. But this, this has to be uncovered in this manner. And let's just be very clear about the situation. Now let's put this into context. How many tran tifa furry terrorists do we have to have involved in the most heinous and high profile violence of a political nature in the country before we realize that this is. And not just realize, act on the realization that this is a really serious problem? How many of these? The Charlie Kirk assassin. A tran tifa furry maniac. The Covington school massacre. A Tran tifa maniac. The half an inch away from changing world history and taking America into the darkest place it has been in since the Civil War. And that is not an exaggeration, unlike what the libs do. That would be assassin, as we find out now, a tran tifa maniac. Clay.

[Clay Travis]

Minneapolis two buck. The Minneapolis church shooting that just happened.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, yes.

[Clay Travis]

Also a trans relations.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, there's even more than, there's even more than that. I mean, I'm just going for the highest profile. There are a number of them that have occurred where later on there's kind of this whimpering of reporting of. Oh yeah, they were using they pronouns, Clay. We're always told this is a very small subset of the population overall. I know it's been growing among Gen Gen Z and actually now it's falling. But the self identified trends and remember those numbers are usually for LGBTQIA plus it's like belonging to a club for a lot of college kids. But actual they, them trans ideologues are responsible now for how many of the highest profile assassinations and assassination attempts of recent years. This is a major national security problem. And the Democrats, by the way, the mainstream Democrat party, the ideology, Clay, that has people saying horrible stuff to you when you say if you have, if you have male, you know, Body parts. If you have a penis, you shouldn't be playing sports against women. That same ideology. These are just the radicals that come from that. This is pushed from the very top by the Democrat apparatus, no doubt.

[Clay Travis]

Here's the other thing that I think is so significant about this. He was on YouTube under his own name, making violent threats. We're not talking about needing to have the greatest crack team of investigators of all time to figure out who this guy is. As soon as the assassination attempt happened, YouTube knew who he was and locked down his account. And, and again, all of these postings are now coming out. What's intriguing to me, Buck, is first of all, he's a. It seems as you would well imagine, one of these lost souls of the Internet, a lost boy in many ways, of the Internet. And initially his posts on YouTube are very pro Trump and very anti Democrat. And then Covid happens and starting in that January of 2020 window, he starts to become extremely anti Trump and anti Republicans. Not going to shock a lot of people out there. He was very furious about the fact that people didn't want to lock down, that they weren't wearing masks. So he somehow succumbed to left wing politics and it radicalized him. Now he goes dark at some point in the summer, in the fall of 2020, but there are people interacting with him online. I immediately think, wait a minute, did some of these guys that he met online, did they then interact with him and encourage him to attempt this assassination of President Trump? I'm now questioning everything because that what we were told, that he had no coherent political ideology, that they couldn't find any way to track him down, that he wasn't active online. All of it's a lie. All of it. And.

[Buck Sexton]

Let'S think about the political implications, Clay. This happened during the election cycle. So wouldn't it matter a lot to people to know that, that what is orthodoxy for the Democrat Party, a man can become a woman. All this crazy sexual stuff too, that they're, you know, they're now non binary and use the weird pronouns. And if you're into furries and you're a they, them. I mean, this stuff all comes from the left. A left. We went into this election cycle and let's be very honest about what the mentality was. You, me, all of you with us right now. We were just so thankful and prayerful and this unbelievable sigh of relief that Donald Trump was okay and he had the most badass political moment any of us have ever seen in our lives. When he raised the fist with his Side of his head bloody, a five, five, six round missing, killing our president by an inch. Okay, we're thinking about it in that context, but there was another context that was missing that wasn't really a part of the discussion. Yes, it was someone tried to kill Donald Trump, but it was a left wing radical who bought into the ideology of the Democrat Party. It was a political hit based upon what Democrats say daily about how we're erasing trans people and there's a genocide of trans and all this and Trump is a Nazi and Trump is a fascist, all of that.

[Clay Travis]

And the second would be Trump assassin. We 100% know exactly what his perspective was. Think. Probably only because he was actually active on Twitter and Elon Musk didn't immediately hide it. And you could see all the things that he had posted about. He was obsessed with Ukraine and the idea that Trump was Hitler and he thought he was a hero for trying to kill him. This is the second one. This is, I'm sorry, this is a five alarm fire. And how many times do we have to hear, um, oh, we had, he what? We had no idea what his motivations were. And then you just go into fricking YouTube and he's posting under his own name exactly what his motivations are, calls for political violence. And they told us that they couldn't figure any of this out. I, I, I, I know Cash is going to be on the show later this week. FBI Director Cash Patel. And I'm sure that will be a point of discussion.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I just kind of point out one thing he's definitely going to say is he was an FBI director when this happened or for all the months after it happened. And so, you know, we have to make sure that we parse out here who was in charge when this went on, who ran that investigation. Now, they may have had to reopen the investigation and maybe they were slower on that than they should have been or they should have given up more resources. But Clay, I'm sure the FBI handover was, oh, we've already looked into this and done everything.

[Clay Travis]

That's right. I'm sure that that's true. But what does it say that the New York Post and Tucker Carlson are more reliable sources for investigating a would be assassin of Donald Trump than our security apparatus, including the FBI. I mean, this is troubling. When I read all this this morning as I was getting ready and when I saw these videos and everything else, this is, this is staggering levels of incompetence such that it makes me wonder is it actually Incompetence at all.

[Buck Sexton]

Tran Tifa is the most dangerous terrorist ideology in America right now. That is a reality that we all have to understand. This is, this is domestic extremism, domestic terrorism. However someone wants to get into the, the descriptions of it. This is politically motivated violence that has a commonality that cannot be ignored. It is individuals who have taken the Democrat line on this stuff, which is crazy, it is deranged, it is delusional to think that you can become a different gender. And what's worse is that they add on top of this, those of us who refuse to go along with the delusion are monsters, are Nazis. And what do we all know you can do to Nazis? What are you allowed to do to those who are fascists? Right? This is why they call themselves antifa. This is why Tran Tifa, the trans antifa wing, is responsible for these kinds of actions. But Clay, the Charlie Kirk assassin, the almost Donald Trump assassin, the Covington school shooters you point at, the Minneapolis church shooting, these are some of the worst things we have seen in this country in years. And in the case of those political assassinations, and almost assassination of Trump would have been the worst assassination we have seen perhaps in the history of this country, honestly would have torn the country apart far more if Trump was killed than even what happened to jfk. And I think that's just the truth.

[Clay Travis]

And this all happened in the last couple of years. All of them directly connected, all of them trans related elements of violence. And again, they covered all of this up about the Butler, Pennsylvania shooter. They told us all, we came on this program, we talked about, hey, we don't believe that this guy was truly without a footprint and that there was no animus involved. People said, oh, we don't really know why he tried to kill the President. We may never know. That was the official FBI statement.

[Buck Sexton]

But think of how many people on the ideological side of this are complicit in the delusion. And I'm not saying that they are criminally responsible for these assassination attempts, but I am saying that they promote a lie in our society that has resulted in some of the most dangerous political violence that we have ever seen. And they are promoting, they promote this from the top of the Democrat Party. The Biden administration was putting out White House press releases on the need for trans care, surgery, hormones for minors, for minors, everybody, yes, they have gone completely bonkers on this. And they were saying that we were the monsters. They were saying that we were the bad people because we were trying to protect kids and protect women. And protect the American people. And Clay, what did we find out in the Covington shooting? Why did it take so long for the manifesto to come out? Because they just didn't want the public.

[Clay Travis]

To have the real truth.

[Buck Sexton]

We all knew, but they didn't want the proof. And now another time they can. Oh, they can never find the real motive. When it's a tran tifa left wing maniac who aligns with a lot of Democrat orthodoxy, then it's really hard to figure out the motive. Maybe it's a Trump supporter who shot at Trump. Think about how insane that is. They were saying that, so it's a. It's my friends, we have to see this for what it is. I will take your calls on this and dive into it more here momentarily. But switching to something that can let us all take a breather and relax a bit. Cozy Earth we are decked out with Cozy Earth in our home. Sheets. Bedding. The softest I've ever come across. Cozy Earth could have stopped there, but they've expanded into loungewear. Pajamas. My mom, I look. My mom just had her birthday. Happy birthday, Mom. A couple weeks ago and I decided I was going to take care of mom's birthday and Sexton family in NYC before Mom Donnie ruins that place. Sexton family Christmas presents. So I hooked my parents up with Cozy Earth, the bubble blanket. My dad loves my mom's bubble blanket so much, I'm going to get him one just in a more masculine color because I got pink for mom. So these are amazing products, my friend. Save up to 40% off right now. Use my name Buck as your promo code. Cozy Earth sheets come back by 100 night sleep trial money back guarantee and a 10 year warranty. Start with the sheets. I think that's kind of foundational for Cozy Earth. Get yourself some new sheets because they're going to be the best sheets you've ever had. Truly. And the Black Friday sale prices have come early. When you go to cozy earth.com like I said, promo code buck for up to 40% off cozy earth.com use code buck and share luxury with yourself and your family this season. You ain't imagining it.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are joined now by ESPN and the SEC Network's Paul Feinbaum. Maybe in the future Senator Paul Feinbaum from Alabama. I know that everybody in your state right now, Paul, is fired up about what happened with Oklahoma beating Alabama and the Iron bowl game against Auburn. And you can give us a take on that in a moment. But you are seriously considering running for the Senate in Alabama. You talked about this with me about a month or so ago. What has happened since then? What is your process like? And, and how did this come to be a, a reality in many ways?

[Paul Feinbaum]

First of all, it, it came to to be a reality when a couple of very influential people reached out to me just about the time that Bruce Pearl chose not to run. There was an evolution and I started it back in May when President Trump came to Tuscaloosa. And I said in an interview, president Trump, while you're there, please talk Nick Saban into running for the open seat vacated by Coach Somerville. Saban obviously chose not to. Pearl was next. And after Bruce Pearl dropped out and decided not to do it, a group, this same group, I believe, very unhappy with a rather meager field in Alabama came to me and I was thinking about it. And then September 10th happened, Clay. And that was, of course, as everyone listening knows, when Charlie Kirk was tragically assassinated. And it got me thinking. And as I alluded in the aftermath of our conversation, I talked to a number of people, including my close friend and coworker Tim Tebow, who was very close to Charlie. And it inspired me to want to keep moving forward. And we had our conversation and naturally there was a reaction, but the typical reaction as well from the low level political types who tried to drive me out of the race even before I had gotten in. And then a number of other people kept saying, you have to make a decision. You can't wait. And just to finally circle this all around, Clay, you know what's going on in Alabama and everywhere in the country right now, we're in the middle of the college football season, and I simply couldn't walk away. And I've had a number of people say, listen, if you don't get in by November 1, November 10, we're going to move on. And I've said, well, you're going to have to, because I'm not getting in until I get through this season and completely think it through. And there's one other thing I do want to say in terms of Charlie Kirk and what he stood for. And I've talked to a couple of people from Turning Point, and whether I run or not, I am deeply committed to following what he did and what I saw J.D. vance do masterfully in Oxford a couple of weeks ago and that spend time on college campuses with a group of young people, especially males, who, by the way, are big fans of you and Buck and who have bought your book and made it a bestseller and who I think are really where the future is in this country.

[Clay Travis]

What do you think the impact would be as a Jewish person running for the Senate in. In Alabama? You mentioned Bruce Pearl. Bruce Pearl is also Jewish. It seems to me there's a real war between good and evil going on. I think the assassination of Charlie Kirk was a part of this. I think it also ties into the October 7, 2023, attack we saw. There's obviously a lot of Christians and a lot of Jews in Alabama who are on the side of good. What do you think you could do as a Jewish senator from Alabama should you decide to run to bring Christians and Jews together?

[Paul Feinbaum]

That would be one of the major goals, Clay. Because right now I don't need to tell anyone listening to the show where that issue is and how much division is out there. And I had a. I had a political operative tell me about a month ago, listen, I like you. I followed you my entire career. I appreciate how you've spoken out on hypocrisy and held the people that run college football accountable. But you're Jewish, and it will never work in Alabama. I disagree strongly. I have lived in Alabama most of my adult life. I think people here have taken a ridiculously unfair attack and have been painted in a corner. That may have been true 50 or 60 years ago, but is not true today. And I'm not going to run on being a Jewish Republican senator if I chose to from Alabama. But I think it would, you know, standing up there, assuming it happened with Senator Britt, who is someone who has represented the great values of the state, I think we would make an incredible tandem. And I think I'm the Only person that I'm not in the field, but I think I'm the only person that could actually do that. Everyone else, it seems the people leading in the so called polling are your career politicians. I'm not going to waste time attacking career politicians. But the state of Alabama spoke six, six years ago with, with Coach Somerville. You know what that was all about, Clay. You encouraged him. Bruce would have been the same way. And who are they? They're people that speak their mind, that don't listen to pollsters, that say, I'm not going to do that because it's going to help me get in with the White House or get the President's endorsement. Everybody wants that. But. But that's not who I am. And if I chose to run and had something that I disagree with, first of all, I would do it privately. I'm not going to go on CNN and tell everybody that I disagree. But I also think that the problem we have nowadays, especially today, is that people just want to suck up. They want to sell their soul, do anything humanly possible so they can get a check mark from the White House or the President or someone else. And that's my biggest concern. Running is. That's not who I am, Clay. And that's not why. We have been friends a long time. And that's not what, what prompted you to get into this field. Because the audience may have forgotten you were in my field and my company was pretty close to hiring you a number of years ago until, until it, until it got stopped because you were too controversial.

[Buck Sexton]

That sounds about right. Paul, thanks for, for being here with us. This is Buck, and I'm not as familiar with the SEC football world as Clay, which is, let's just putting it mildly, but I certainly have paid very close attention to the Senate for a long time. Oh, I'll just throw this out there. If you do formally decide to run, I know a really great radio show with almost 600 stations that you should probably announce it on. So I'm just, just trying to help, trying to be a helpful guy. So if and when the day comes when you formally announce, I think Clay and Buck would be a great place for you to do it. But beyond that, if you were to transition from what you have been doing in the world of sports and speaking very candidly to the people of Alabama about all things around that, to the Senate, United States Senate, what are the issues that really get you the most energized? You spoke of being called to this in part because of the feeling of urgency to Save this country in the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk assassination. But on a policy level, what do you want to do? What would really matter to you as a senator?

[Paul Feinbaum]

The most important thing, Buck, I believe, is, is what matters most to every Alabamian or every person from Connecticut or Texas. And that's what. How am I doing what is going on in my life right now? And it starts with the economy that ultimately drives people to the polls. And I'm particularly glad to see the White House understand that right now, because while foreign policy is essential and we can't have a safe and secure nation without it, the pocketbook matters most. And that's what I hear. And realizing that I do a talk show, not a political show, but everyday people that come up to me, no matter where I am, come to me and say, how are you going to make my life better? So I think that has to be the number one goal. And Clay and Buck, one more thing, if I could divert for a second, because I don't want to miss this moment. What I have heard. I mentioned young people, and I'm on a college campus every Friday and Saturday. They are fed up with their future unless things change. But what's really interesting is I'm not going to name them, but I've had head football coaches reach out to me directly and indirectly through text. I've had college administrators, college presidents, and that is the scary part, because every time I think about not doing it, and that happens too often when you're trying to live in the moment of the season. I get encouragement and nourishment from so many of these people, and it is encouraging and refreshing. But it also goes to another issue. And this is not the most important issue in the country. The economy is in our national security. But the most important issue for where I live every day for four hours is college athletics. And you heard the president reference that on McAfee, unless it was censored in your house, Clay and Buck. But, but that, that, that we need more work there. And Tommy Tubercle did a lot of good. But unfortunately, if some of the predictions are true of where we are going in another year, that may be gone forever.

[Clay Travis]

You got coaches asking you to run in college football. You got athletic directors, presidents of schools. I imagine that has been flattering. What is your timeframe? I know the primary, I believe, is in May in Alabama. Obviously, there's a campaign season. But as you also noted, the number one story in Alabama right now is the Iron bowl in a couple of weeks. Have you put on your calendar A date whereby you need to make a decision. What is the process like for you as you go through and decide whether or not you're going to run?

[Paul Feinbaum]

Yeah, Clay, the two biggest issues here are the Iron bowl and whether to fry turkey on Thanksgiving. The timetable is right as the season ends and I'm under contract to ESPN and I feel like I have to get to the end of the season before making a decision. And if it costs me getting in, then I will find something else to let my mind wander on. But that is where it is and it's not easy and that's my decision. It's nobody else's. And I do want to thank Burke Magnus at ESPN for allowing me this time. He's the, he's, he's the top person in my world. And it was very, A lot of people would have said, listen, you have to, you're out. You're not going to be able to talk about this at this situation. But he has been incredibly kind. The other thing I'm just trying to deal with is just my lane. And I shouldn't be saying this because that's not what politicians are supposed to say, but I've been under a microscope for 40 years. I've said a lot of things, as you and Buck have said. I built a national brand. I dealt with people during on air crisis. And you talk about an on air crisis, Clay, try, try, try babysitting an audience. On the night of January 10, two years ago, when the note, when the news bulletin broke that Nick Saban was resigning and retiring, I mean that, I mean that took every ounce of patience because that was a national nightmare for the state of Alabama. But what also happens when you're under that microscope and every single thing you have said gets recorded and regurgitated is you have to answer for a lot of things. And that's really where I am right now. Because all the low level politicians and the operatives are saying, well, you said this about the president and you once said this about Nick Saban. I've actually been criticized, Clay, for this. Nick Saban came out in 2020 and said that he did a public service ad during COVID for masking and social distancing and then he marched with his players during a BLM march. I praised him. And you know why I praised him? Forget the politics of it. Ed Ogeron did not do that. He lost his team, his locker room, and ultimately got fired. And those are the things that people are trying to keep me out of the race for criticizing the president once during a debate with Stephen A. Smith and praising Nick Saban. I, I don't know if I can, I can win on, on, on the debate with Stephen A. Smith, but I'll, I'll take my shots on praising Nick Saban. In the state of Alabama, do you.

[Clay Travis]

Think you would beat the people who are running? Like, if you really got in there? You talk for a living, you communicate for a living. I tend to think you'd be pretty good at it. The president obviously came out of the world of media. He's brought in a lot of people, Fox News and otherwise, who have come from the world of media and they've done a great job. Do you think you'd win?

[Paul Feinbaum]

Yes, I do. And I've asked a number of people. Because you don't want to get in a race and have it become a disaster. I think the better question is to you, Clay, do you think I would win because you understand the state of Alabama, you're beloved. I was at it. I was in an event about three weeks ago. The most prestigious group in the entire state. It's called the Monday Morning Quarterback Club. They bring in people from all over the country. I was about to speak and before I was introduced, the head of the group got up in front of the audience and said, we have a big announcement to make our guest speaker in our year end banquet. And I was like going Saban. And he said it will be Clay Travis. And I'm like going, oh my goodness. I mean, and there was, there was an absolute cheer. So the reason I turned the question back to you is, you know, the.

[Clay Travis]

State of Alabama, yeah, you would win in a landslide. But I told Buck you would win in a landslide. Buck's right. When you decide to run, you come on, you announce it with us. Will make that even more likely potentially. Next, Senator Paul Fine Bomb talking about the big Oklahoma loss on his SEC network show later today. Senator Feinbaum, potentially, thanks for the time here and we'll talk to you again soon.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Clayback, thank you very, very much.

[Clay Travis]

That is Paul Feinbaum and you guys can react to that. I know all over Alabama a lot of people listening to his show on a regular basis. Not expecting necessarily to hear him on here. But I do think that's an interesting story. You know, also an interesting story. Prize picks. I love this company, Buck. They are expanding. They are growing all over the place. They now have prediction markets embedded inside of their Prize Picks app. If you haven't checked it out, go download and get signed up. Today. You play $5, you get $50 deposited in your account. You can play in California, you can play in Texas. You can play in Georgia. You can play in Alabama. You can play in my home state of Tennessee. You can play all over the country. Prize picks.com code clay $5. You play, you get $50 in your account. I'll have a pick for you before the show is out today. This is an app you will love. Buck loves it. You will love it. You can play in 40 states, 13 million people. Prizepix.com code Clay, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton telling it like it is. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back. In our number three, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show, we got a bunch of stuff to dive into and update you on. We've been talking about the alleged revelations involving TRUMP BUTLER, PA Assassin, what he said online, what his motivations appear to have been. We opened up the program talking about that, that Miranda Devine will be a guest on the program tomorrow. She has written a substantial article about it for the New York Post. Tucker Carlson has also done a big video discussion of all of that, and that has been a big topic of discussion. President Trump was at Mar A Lago over the weekend. We also been talking about affordability. We'll get to some of that. We talked with Senator Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma. We also talked with Paul Feinbaum, potential candidate for the Senate in the state of Alabama. And we should mention, we have not talked about it yet, that there is a discussion surrounding the Epstein files vote. And President Trump weighed in last night and said, hey, let's go ahead and everybody vote and release all of these files. Uh, I believe that vote is coming on Tuesday. And they tried to submarine Trump with selective leaking of emails last week because they didn't want the attention to be on the fact that the government shutdown had collapsed. And now, Buck, I think Trump has gotten ahead entirely on this story. And as a result, I just, I don't think there's going to be much there there, for lack of a better way of describing it, because President Trump is now saying, release all the files and there's going to be a huge vote to release all the files. And I think the ones that are most damning for Trump have already been leaked. Do you have a different take on this? I think it's going to go a long way towards really kind of tamping down the discussion surrounding everything having to do with the Epstein files.

[Buck Sexton]

No, I like that he's going to give this no more. At least no more partisan oxygen in the sense that. All right, fine, Just, just release the stuff, guys. Let's, let's just see. Let's see what you got. You know, the smoking gun that is in there that somehow nobody else has been able to find or get out into the public before about Trump, please. That's the part of it. You can just apply logic and common sense to these things and I think generally come to what is overwhelmingly going to be 99% of the time the correct conclusion, which is if they had something about Donald Trump where he was the bad guy in something Epstein related, he wouldn't be in the middle of his second term and thinking about, you know, his legacy on the world stage in foreign policy like it never would have gotten here is the point. So it's. If they could have gotten away with, to be clear, manufacturing a story about Trump with Epstein, that would have stuck. Would have to stick, right? They would have done that, too. If they could have Russia collusioned him, they would have done that, but they can't. So this is why, again, this is a frustration. And I think that's why, Donald, It's a frustration in terms of the time. And here he is. This is cut to Trump just says it. Look, the Democrats are doing this because it's the shiny object to distract the news cycle from the disastrous and idiotic shutdown they did. Blake, cut to fake news like you, you're a terrible reporter. And fake news like you, they just keep bringing that up to deflect from the tremendous success of the Trump administration. So a guy like Massie, his poll numbers are showing he's a 6% approval rating right now, and we call him Rand Paul Jr. Because he never, he never votes for the Republican Party. So, so they're using Jeffrey Epstein as a deflection from the tremendous success that we're having as a party.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's 100% right. And we'll see on Tuesday. I think the odds of there being anything major that comes out when these are eventually voted on and released is very low. And building on what you said, Buck, if they were going to charge Trump with over 50 felonies in New York, in D.C. in South Florida and in Atlanta, if they had anything they could have charged him with related to Jeffrey Epstein, don't you think they would have, instead of paying off a porn star and the, the way that it was accounted for in the, in the books during the election campaign, don't you think they maybe would have just said, hey, this Epstein, things got a little more juice than than many of the things that he was charged with. Again, I think you just have to use common sense here to recognize what's going on. Our friend Miranda Devine, by the way, is on right now. The lead story on Fox as we began our show with two hours ago, Fox is now leading with the New York Post revelations relating to this would be assassin in Pennsylvania. And so I do think that this, this story is going to have a lot of legs. If you haven't heard yet, there are reports from the New York Post also Tucker Carlson and others now that they have been able to find the social media post surrounding this assassin that alleged would be assassin he did kill an innocent dad. Cory Capatore can't forget in Butler, Pennsylvania as well as clip the President's ear and seriously injure others that he was motivated not surprisingly by left wing anti Trump political perspectives that he under his own name called for political violence that he appears to have been pursuing or at least intrigued by trans related identity aspects. And that if you go and look at his postings, he moved from a young man who was supportive of Trump to post Covid deciding that Trump was a unique threat to American life and that using violence to stop him was potentially justified. Unfortunately, there are a lot of young men and young women who have followed this path, particularly young men.

[Buck Sexton]

So there was this period of time when the left was trying to make a mathematical concept popularized of stochastic terrorism. Right. Stochastic terrorism. And so what they were saying is if you put enough of this out there, even if you're not really crossing the line, you, you know that with the millions and millions of people out there, someone is going to cross the line and therefore it's your fault for what you have said or what your, your beliefs are. This is what they the left was, was trying very hard to push this for a while, Clay. I just think it's interesting that that has disappeared in the era of the Tran tifa terrorist when it's not a. This is where it's a big difference. This isn't a fringe concept. This isn't among Democrats. This isn't something that you will only hear among the most hard left. They will say things about erasing trans people. They will say things about Trump as a fascist and a Nazi from the very top of the Democrat system and from the Democrat party. The you name it, right. The, the, the no kings protest. All this stuff is about hysteria and hyperbole. The whole purpose of this is to emotionally manipulate people and make them crazy and then they have some crazies who actually do things like try assassinations that would plunge this country into the abyss. And they take no responsibility whatsoever for the insane things that they have been saying everywhere from everyone, all the time on the left, all the time among Democrats.

[Clay Travis]

And I wonder, based on having seen these posts, and again, the FBI, to my knowledge, has not commented yet on these reports from the New York Post and from Tucker. But there were people interacting with this kid. And I say kid because he was a kid when he was posting in the YouTube comments all of these incredibly violent things. And then he goes dark. Starting in the summer ish of 2020, he's not posting from these accounts anymore. I wonder whether, unfortunately, people saw this young man with a radical bent who was posting all these violent threats and whether they were able to get in touch with him. This is my speculation. And that further radicalized him because why would the posts have stopped? And then the next thing you hear from him in a public vein is that he's attempting to kill people and kill the President of the United States. So I just, I wonder what is going on here and how all of this is. Is. Is developing. The Epstein file story is out there, as we just said. Also, we probably should mention this because it's gotten a lot of attention. I don't know how hyper online you guys are, but there's a. A guy, frankly, that buck and I find most of his views to be abhorrent. His name is Nick Fuentes. And whether or not Tucker Carlson should have interviewed him has turned into a major talking point where people have been going back and forth, typically in the online ecosystem. I don't know how much attention this gets elsewhere, but President Trump was asked about it. I thought his answer was actually pretty solid. We can play that as well. This was last night. Tucker Carlson. What role do you think Tucker Carlson.

[Buck Sexton]

Should play in the Republican Party, the conservative movie? Well, I found him to be good. I mean, he said good things, things about me over the years. I think he's good. We've had some good interviews. I did an interview with him. We were at 300 million hits. You know that. Look, I can't tell him. Will you let me finish my thing? You are the worst. You're with Bloomberg, right? You are the worst. I don't know why they even have you. We've had some great interviews with Tucker Carlson, but you can't tell him who to interview. I mean, if he wants to interview Nick Fuentes, I don't know much about him, but if he wants to do it, get the word out, let him, you know, people have to decide.

[Clay Travis]

So Trump basically saying, I don't think that guests should be policed and we make our own decision on this show. Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Not, not willing to throw Tucker under the bus at all, even for one second on that one. Which was interesting. Right? It could be so easy to say, well, I, you know, I'm, you know, I really disagree with Tucker or whatever. Trump stood right by Tucker, did not, did not back down an inch off of it and just said, look, he decided to do this for his show and now it's become something of a national conversation. A lot of people are having this chat. There was a little bit of a hubbub over at the Heritage Foundation, a venerated conservative institution in D.C. where the, the head, whatever, I don't know, if not the CEO, the director, I guess, or the, whatever you call the head guy, Kevin Roberts, who we know actually listens to this show on occasion, he stood up for Tucker and there was a lot of backlash to it. There's a, look, there's a fight. We don't really spend our time here on this because one, I think we serve our, we serve all of you best by talking about the news every day as it's happening and not getting into some of the more personality based squabbling that is going on out there. Because I also think a lot, Clay, to your point, I think if you do this job, you're very aware of it. I think for a lot of the country who's fighting with whom about what, it gets some clicks online, but I don't think anyone's waking up saying, what do we think about that Tucker, Ted Cruz interview, for example? Like, I just don't think, you know, those two guys had it out. If you haven't seen that, they had it out. And you can watch the interview yourself. But I'm, I don't sit here, you don't sit here trying to pick and choose when we're going to get involved in the scrum. And I think that that's Trump's, I think that was Trump's response too. He's like, look, I like Tucker. He wanted to let people hear what this guy Fuentes had to say. I'm leaving it there. That's what he said. Unless I'm missing something.

[Clay Travis]

No. One other quote, Tucker did an interview with the New York Times, which is interesting primarily because New York Times tried to destroy Tucker for years. But I thought this was maybe the most interesting quote, the most. This is Tucker, the most dispiriting fact of the last nine months is that huge proportions of the institutional Republican Party all kind of hate free speech every bit as much as the left does. They are every bit as censorious as some blue haired menopausal Black Lives Matter activist. And I just didn't know that. And I'm disgusted. I feel betrayed. I take it personally. I thought that was the most interesting quote because I do think it's important when you get power, sometimes it becomes intoxicating to try to shut down what other people say. And now that Republicans have power, I think this show certainly, but I would suggest others as well should stay committed to the idea that the, to me the cure for speech you don't like is actually more speech. It's not trying to stop someone else from being able to speak.

[Buck Sexton]

So there's an idea that you or I feel the need to address and talk about. That's fine. But we're not going to be the speech police for individuals on the right and certainly not in a way that feels to me like it often can inherently advantage the left and the commies who are trying to destroy the country. What would they, what makes them very happy when people on the right are at each other's throats about anything, when things are getting very nasty. And so we get the emails and the comments here, we just, we don't play into that game. I don't do it. I know you don't do it. And so I think it's totally fair to be honest also with all of you that I just have a standing rule. I'm not going to hit any, I'm not going to hit someone who's a friend because I disagree with something that they said. They're allowed to say what they want to say. I'm talking about friends of mine now. And if I feel compelled to take a different point of view, I'll take a different point of view. But I'm not going to attack somebody personally because I don't agree with a decision that they make on their show because I just think also this is, you know, they're used to this thing and people also is long history of this play and talk radio and earlier and even in cable news or just turned into like the host taking shots at each other. And it can feel a little, a little petty. A little petty. So I don't know, what do you think? Am I, am I. Oh no, I mean time on this one.

[Clay Travis]

I think if people to my we're going to break but I mean my big takeaway on this is if people attack us like the New York Times attacked us. Remember when they called us like the number three most purveyor of disinformation or whatever the phrase was?

[Buck Sexton]

I mean we should have been number one. That was what I was most ticked off about.

[Clay Travis]

But we invited the guy who wrote the article on I think when we're attacked by name that it can make sense to respond. But other people's shows are not our responsibility to police, just like their responsibility isn't to police what we do on our show. Like we're fortunate to have the opportunity to say whatever we think. I'm not really in the business of saying what other people can say.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. A lot of different people reacting to a variety of different subjects. We'll get some of your talkbacks. 800-282-2882. Little bit of a heads up and I don't want to say sound like man of mystery Buck Sexton here, but I am leaving the country this evening for a super secret trip that I think is going to result in a very positive story angle, but that I can't talk about where I'm going to be. It is not to tour the Whispering Angel Winery. For those of you out there lighting up my mentions over the fact that I happen to decide to try some.

[Buck Sexton]

First of all, that you would even consider cheating on Gavin Newsom's winery, Clay is unthinkable.

[Clay Travis]

It's true. Buck's gonna have the show solo Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. But maybe I'll be in a different time zone. But maybe I can call in because I think if you guys are paying attention to the news, if all goes well, we will have some news that will be positive. Nothing, nothing negative associated with it, but probably news in a way that people don't anticipate me making news, if that makes sense.

[Buck Sexton]

And that was, that was really vague. I'll be honest. It makes sense and yet it was very vague.

[Clay Travis]

Y you know where I'm going to be?

[Buck Sexton]

I do.

[Clay Travis]

I know exactly how to say it without giving it away. So it is a bit vague. And I will be on a plane flight tonight out of the country and hopefully we'll have a good result.

[Buck Sexton]

If some of you have been wondering what would Clay look like in Cirque du Soleil tights, maybe you will get your wish. Now I'm just going to throw out stuff like I'm just going to chum the waters for Clay. I, you know, just start doing it.

[Clay Travis]

So there you go, the, The. The reactions are really, really funny that are. As producer Ali there, do you want to explain that you were not trying to insult me when you said, in fairness, it's not just a women's rose, it's a gay man's rose, too? Yeah, I was coming to your defense. I was coming to your defense. All my guy friends, a lot of them who happen to be gay, love Whispering Angel.

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[Clay Travis]

But do you think most heterosexual men are like, hey, you know what? All the gay men love the thing that you did. I. I don't know that most heterosexual men are like, oh, that, that. That cleanses the attacks on my masculinity that were levied so scurrilously by. Great word there. Scurrilous, by the way, by Kaylee McEnany. So a lot of rolling in there.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, I was. Ali, thank you for joining with us there for a second.

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Do I still have my job?

[Buck Sexton]

I was gonna say I was worried that people would be worried that. That Clay had instantaneously done it, done a firing here, but. No, of course. Of course not. Of course not. Whispering Angel Rose is owned by massive conglomerate lvmh. Now, I did not know that.

[Clay Travis]

So they own every very corporate feel, by the way. Yeah, the good rose.

[Buck Sexton]

But really the issue is, is it's not that it was Whispering Angel Rose, it's that it was Rose, my man. You know, you went rose. I think that's alone. That's a rose is like a step away from getting a wine cooler. You know, you might as well have ordered a Zima at the Patriot Award.

[Clay Travis]

I don't think I'm even knowledgeable enough to know enough about wine to realize the faux pas that I was making. I will say that Kaylee said we should drink this one because it won't stain like your teeth. You can't have, like a dark red wine and show up and, you know, be doing a public event with wine stained teeth. And so I thought that I was making a good decision there. She led me over the middle, much like happened here. Well, and with your jacket.

[Buck Sexton]

And you spill the wine, nobody will know.

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[Buck Sexton]

I think that was a sartorial snub. Yeah. She's lighting you up now.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, no.

[Buck Sexton]

I lost my job again, though, with your fake firing. I think. I think whatever Ali, Producer Ali throws your way today, you. You've asked for the incoming, so we got to leave it there.

[Clay Travis]

VIP email from Dave. I give Clay a pass on the line. The gals were just ribbing him because they find him lovably goofy. Don't need to get a double scotch neat to appear manly. It's exactly right. There was no.

[Buck Sexton]

This is like you're he. Clay's a black coffee drinker and I. Okay, I'll drink black coffee too. But I don't understand why, like, it's. If it's good enough for Italy, it's good enough for me to have a cappuccino in the morning sometimes. Like, what's the problem with this? Some people, you drink what you want to drink, is my point. There's not really a. I'm going to tell you something else. Beer, which people think of as manly, gives you man boobs. Guys, real science there. True story. Beer gives you man boobs. Beer is estrogen increasing, unfortunately.

[Clay Travis]

So I've heard that. Is liquor too, or just beer?

[Buck Sexton]

I think beer in particular, but I need to. I need to go to the grok on that one.

[Clay Travis]

Is it the hops that make it like estrogen related? Like higher levels?

[Buck Sexton]

Let me see. Why? I'll find out. You just talk for a second.

[Clay Travis]

I will continue to talk. As Buck research specifically raises your estrogen levels.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm trying to find out why. Which even men, by the way. Men have estrogen too. Beer increases estrogen due to phytoestrogen content from hops and barley. Yes, it's specific. So this is real. It's specific to the. The molecular basis of the beer itself. So yeah, you're drinking the anti testosterone when you're drinking beer. Couldn't have explained that to people with the Budweiser horses running back in the 90s. True story though, folks. True story.

[Clay Travis]

I actually think that's the best argument that a liquor company could make. Beer is drinking estrogen. You. And assuming that liquor doesn't have the same levels of estrogen. I don't know what the date is, but I've seen that storyline before as. As everybody is. Is breaking that out.

[Buck Sexton]

Speaking of estrogen, can I. Can I throw something else out in the mix for us for conversation here about something? I just. Did you see Bill Ackman's advice on dating. This has gone super viral. I'm very curious. We'll get to some more of this tomorrow. Clay's going to be out. Super secret mission Clay. But Bill Ackman told young men who he. You know what? I think I actually can find the tweet really quickly. Bill. I hear here. I've got it. Here we go. I hear from many young men that Find it is difficult to meet young women in a public setting. This is billionaire investor guy bill ackman. In other words, the online culture has destroyed the ability to spontaneously meet strangers. As though, as such, I thought I would share a few words that I used in my youth to meet someone that I found compelling. I would ask, quote, may I meet you before engaging in further conversation. Inevitably enabled the opportunity for a further conversation. A lot of really interesting people, Clay, the Internet has been ruthless. Yes. With Mr. Ackman's May I meet you advice. Is this surprising to you at all?

[Clay Travis]

It doesn't surprise me that the Internet has destroyed a rich billionaire who shared his social cues online. And they were quite a lot different than maybe most. I think if you're a billionaire, I.

[Buck Sexton]

Think you can walk up to somebody and be like, I like you. And that's it.

[Clay Travis]

You know, I think you're good. Well, the girls probably know a lot of the billionaires that are rolling around in rooms. I do think this question, though, is one that is. That is something a lot of young men are talking about. And I know young women complain about it, that they're not getting approached like would have happened in the past. And I think it's because young men. So this is my big thesis on this. You guys can tell me if I'm wrong. I think many young men have taken to heart the idea of toxic masculinity and approaching women is seen now as, in their mind, somewhat of an aggressive move. And so there's less rejection involved when you just send somebody a message on social media. And so I think it's just indicative of a decline in overall face to face interaction. And face to face interaction brings with it the possibility of rejection, which is really, really hard to accept. And I think guys are afraid that not only are they going to get rejected, that they're going to get made fun of. I mean, trying to approach a group of girls if you are a guy is insanely difficult because you. As you're going to go approach, you think, oh, if she shoots me down, all of the other girls are going to, you know, they're. They're going to be making fun of the attempt that I have made. May I meet you? Is a really, really ridiculous. I think, opening line. I would suggest if young men are out there, I don't know. You were on the bar scene a lot longer than me. I think humor in an unthreatening way is a good way to gauge the interest level of a girl if she doesn't have a sense of Humor. I'm just going to say you probably don't want to be with her anyway. That seems miserable to me. And so, but if you go in with a sort of light hearted entry point, it isn't aggressive, like over the top. Does that make sense to all the.

[Buck Sexton]

Single guys out there? Let me tell you one thing. Women like bees can smell fear. And so when you go up to them, the most important thing is that your attitude is that you were effectively on a kamikaze mission. My friends, this is all about the story you're going to tell afterwards about how slapped down you got, how, how mocked you were or whatever. You got to just go in there, not care. I'm not saying try for that to happen and obviously be polite and, and be nice. But I just mean you got to have no fear because they, that's you. Are you, are you co signing?

[Clay Travis]

You're 100, right? I mean the way I think about it is like being a batter in a baseball game most of the time even great hitters swing and make no contact. Like if you are constantly obsessed with the fact that you're, you know, probably walk unless you're, you know, Matthew McConaughey or Tom Cruise. I mean some of you are, you know, incredibly rich and incredibly good looking. And I'm sure everybody listening right now and certainly this is always funny. Everybody on the Internet is always incredibly good looking. You know, you, somebody's got a pretty girl picture and they're like she's not that good looking. It's like Sydney Sweeney, she's not that good looking.

[Buck Sexton]

She's pretty. Sweeney, she's mid.

[Clay Travis]

They say she's mid. Okay, I guess if you're into, you know, really good looking 25 year olds. But, but I could do better. I think you just have to think of it as, as basically you're a batter up to and you're going to swing and miss a bunch and you might file one off and it happens.

[Buck Sexton]

This is what I you just, if you're fearless, it's fine. If you're fearless, guys, it's fine. Also the same way you should go into interviews. You always for a job, I mean now you always want to go into the interview. Like if I get it, I don't get it. You know what? I'll figure it out. I'm gonna put, I'm gonna do my thing, I'm gonna be who I am. Nervousness, anxiety, fear, always unappealing. So just let it and by this is why I'll tell you the like pickup artist books that used to come out back in the 90s. There are a bunch of them that were very famous. A lot of it, what they're. A lot of what they teach guys to do. And let me say there's a lot of. There's a lot of bad stuff about being, you know, very philandering with the women and everything. But, but put that aside. They just want you to go up. They tell you just go up. And if you're not talking to 50 women a day or something, and it's not because you're going to get 50 phone numbers. The idea is to desensitize you to rejection. Because once you're desensitized to rejection, you no longer have fear. And once you no longer have fear, when you approach someone, Their energy reflecting off of you is going to be like, wow, this guy's just coming up and talking to me. Whereas if you go up and you're like, excuse me, goddess who is far out of my league, that's not going to work for you, even if she is. And by the way, I have, you know, I mean, I, I, I have made that movie for her. Look at who I'm married to. Sometimes you got to take a swing for the fences.

[Clay Travis]

I think also it's a lot like sales. You know, the reason why people who do sales are successful in life is because they're willing to get rejected. Most people hide and they fear failure more than they crave success. And I think that applies there too. I will say Bill ackman's may I meet you line is so incredibly awkward. I bet a bunch of guys are sliding in dms.

[Buck Sexton]

It's everywhere now. And it's become a perfect. Yes, it is actually become a perfect pickup line because now everyone gets to be in on the joke. It's, you know, Bill ackman is being very. He's having a very good sense of humor about it. He's playing the whole thing very well too. But it is, it is quite funny. The whole thing is really become very, very amusing. But people do lack that icebreaker initial skill. And once you get. Once you get good on that. It is a. It is a secret weapon.

[Clay Travis]

Did you have a go to line at a bar that you would try just to break the ice? Did you have something that you found was. Now that you're married, is there a. Is there a tip? Did you have a line? It was.

[Buck Sexton]

I, I was always very, I was always very situational. So I would just sort of find something. I usually would comment on something in the environment. That was going on in a funny way. And first sort of just get that.

[Clay Travis]

You know, because we talk for a living. So we don't have. A lot of men cannot communicate very well as many women out there are nodding along. At least we talk for a living. I had a buddy who had really good success. He's married now. Give it out. He would go up to girls and he would say, hey, I'm not the kind of guy to brag, but I have health insurance. And that was a pretty good ice breaking line because it's a ridiculous thing to say, but it also is kind of like it worked well.

[Buck Sexton]

Did he wear cargo shorts with New balance sneakers when he pulled that line? Because that is a dad line right there.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's a great line. I think you can go with your credit score, you know, or, or brag about your mortgage. Mortgage interest rate. Like I think these are, these are things that, that work well for the, the, the girls once you get. A lot of women have no idea what life costs until they're like 24. So if you're talking to an 18 year old, they got no idea. Once you get to be like 24, they start to recognize, wait, it's really expensive to live in a good neighborhood. And rent starts to add up once, once you're out in the real world, hey, health insurance. That's a line that gets the girls attention in a heartbeat, just like prize picks does. You could also just go up and say, hey, not to brag, but I'm really good at prize picks. And trust me, there's nothing girls love more than when guys talk about sports with them out of nowhere. Prize picks.com code clay. You can also go on the Price picks app when you do it $50. When you play $5. That is $50 when you play $5. You can play it in Georgia, you can play it in Texas, you can play it in California. 40 plus states, 13 million people already signed up. You can play along with us too. In fact, I may have to send Buck a pick because I'll be on my super secret mission this week. And we know that when I send a pick to Buck it doesn't always go great. So you may want to stay tuned and see how that goes. Prizepix.com code clay that is pricepix.com code clay. Get hooked up today and you will be well on your way to having a little bit more fun with football, basketball, tennis, golf, whatever you love. Price picks has got a game for [e-mail] code play. Making America Great again isn't just one man, it's many. The Team 47 podcast Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Then the space hamster flew his hot.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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