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Miranda Devine
Now, I believe that many of the.
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Buck Sexton
People that we, some of the people.
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Miranda Devine
That we mentioned are being looked at.
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Buck Sexton
Very seriously for their relationship to Jeffrey Epstein. But they were with them all the time.
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Eric Trump
I wasn't. I wasn't at all.
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Buck Sexton
And we'll see what happens. What I just don't want Epstein to do is detract from the great success of the Republican Party, including the fact.
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Miranda Devine
That the Democrats are totally blamed for the shutdown.
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Buck Sexton
You know, they cost our country hundreds.
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Miranda Devine
Of billions of dollars with that and.
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Buck Sexton
A lot of inconvenience. So very important. First of all, Trump is obviously got a cold. His voice a little raspy there or maybe he was just speaking too much. I know that can happen in the radio world, but it's funny. So how many Trump is going to be 80 soon? I know he's like 78, I think be 79 maybe. But how many times have you heard him being sick in the time he's been president? It's very, very rare. The guy is a dynamo. Everybody around him Recognizes it. I just. I just marvel at the amount of energy and focus and drive that he has at his age. It is true what everyone thinks of Trump's policies. I obviously think they're pretty awesome. It's incredible to be his age and to have that level of energy and all the rest. But what Trump said there, I think this is very important. You'll notice, he said, as it pertains to Republicans, the Jeffrey Epstein thing is a hoax. And this is what I think some people have missed and gotten a little upset about, even some Trump supporters. Obviously, there's not. The Jeffrey Epstein situation, Trump doesn't think is a hoax. He was a. A sex criminal, a human trafficker, you know, an exploiter of underage women. I mean, all these terrible things. But the Democrats are trying to create a story and to use the story for pure distraction purposes of, well, this. It's really about. It's really about Trump or any Republican. Now, I just saw you had, you know, Larry Summers, who was the former Treasury Secretary under Clinton. Right. Or is it Obama? I can't remember now. It's been a while. But his former treasury secretary, I think he's stepping back after some of these emails have come out. There's nothing, there's nothing that is alleged that is criminal, but there certainly is stuff that looks bad for him. I think you may see some more of that. What I think Trump wants everyone to be very clear on is look at the people who have continuous and deep associations with Epstein, not who, you know, bumped into him at parties. He went to a lot of parties. A lot of parties in Palm Beach, a lot of parties in New York and other places where he was going to rub elbows. The guy had hundreds of millions of dollars. He was able to get tremendous access to the absolute elites in our society. So that was happening. We all know that. That's a matter of public record. Oh, no wonder. This was confusing for me. Larry Summers served under both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama's administrations. He was. What was he? He was Secretary of the Treasury. Yep. Under Clinton, I was right. Deputy Secretary of the treasury. And under. Whatever. Point is, he's a big, big guy in Democrat politics under Democrat administrations. Look at the other figures who have gotten at least big PR damage. And I know a lot of you are saying, well, that's not, you know, that we're looking for criminality. The evidence of smoking gun evidence of criminality. We don't have that yet. We had it. I think you would see. You would see charges. But at least I haven't seen it. We have to be very careful here, too. You know, people, they're trying to smear Trump by association. There are other people they want to smear by association, too. And this is the kind of stuff that could really, in some cases, unfairly destroy someone's reputation. So you got to be sure. You got to be sure on this stuff, right? This isn't, oh, did somebody cheat a little bit on their taxes? This is, this goes to the core and the reputations and the freedom, meaning they could go to prison of individuals. So that's, I think, not going to be addressed by anything that are in these, in this release. I could be wrong. If I'm wrong, I'll say so. I obviously haven't seen all the files. I don't know. But Trump has been making the point. If there was more in the file specifically about Trump, you think they'd hide it until now? That's a crazy belief, right, that the Democrats would have had full control, full ability to go through this. They don't want to release it all as it pertains to actual transparency because they'd much rather have little bits and pieces to try to insinuate that Donald Trump did something wrong. And I have a firm belief and all the evidence supports what I've said and all of the trajectory of the revelations around Epstein's support that Donald Trump did nothing wrong. Ok. In fact, you can argue Trump is the good guy because he kicked Epstein out of his club for being a creepy. Did anybody else do, you know, was there anybody else who was stepping up and saying, this guy's a, you know, and that was before the, the big criminal stuff against him. So that's where I think this is. Here is Trump saying just, just to, to hammer this home here. This is cut five. He's just saying, look, the Democrat, Epstein's top connections, Epstein's close associates. I'm not saying anyone did anything specifically or I'm not naming any individual with criminality because we don't have proof of that. You need proof of these things. But the people who were gross and around him a lot, they were Democrats. Play five.
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Miranda Devine
We have nothing to do with Epstein.
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Buck Sexton
The Democrats do. All of his friends were Democrats.
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Miranda Devine
You look at this, Reid Hoffman, you.
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Buck Sexton
Look at Larry Summers, Bill Clinton, they went to his island all the time and many others, all Democrats.
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Eric Trump
All I want is, I want for.
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Miranda Devine
People to recognize a great job that.
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Buck Sexton
I've done on pricing, on affordability, because we brought prices way down, but they.
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Miranda Devine
Go way lower on energy, on ending eight wars.
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Buck Sexton
And another one coming pretty soon. I believe we've done a great job.
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Miranda Devine
And I hate to see that deflect from the great job we've done.
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Buck Sexton
I think that's all spot on. I think that's exactly where the situation is right now. And to be clear, Trump has said, release it all. Fine, release it all, whatever it is. He's not opposing the release, he's saying, fine, release it all. Because he also knows, even if he doesn't specifically know what's in those files, he knows what he did and didn't do. He knows he didn't do anything wrong. Ok? And beyond that, he also knows that his enemies, who manufactured crimes against him, manufactured them. They would have, if they had anything, deployed this to destroy him. Even if there was a, forget about a smoking gun, if there was a, a scintilla of evidence that Trump was even in the immediate vicinity of any kind of, you know, criminal conspiracy with regard to Epstein, they would have been running with that non stop. They don't have it. They don't have it. So, fine, we'll get to this point. I do think it has been an exercise in media propaganda by focus, as in how much they focus on something itself is the propaganda tool. They focus so much they try to connect to Donald Trump and they did before as well. Look at all, all the top associates of Epstein. Again, associates, friends, not imputing criminality to anybody because we don't have evidence against these individuals. Right. Trump isn't saying that they were criminal, he's just saying they were gross and they were around him. Gross as in they should have known that this guy was sleazy and they spent too much time alone with him. I know a lot of you, you know, there's what we can, there's what you know. Remember Denzel Washington in Training Day? There's what you know and there's what you can prove. We have to operate in the realm of what we can prove if we're going to make a specific accusation against an individual that would destroy them. Notice that's not what Trump is doing. He's saying, listen to the names of these individuals. We know they hung out with him a lot. They're all Democrats. They're all big Democrat donors. They're all very left wing in their politics or generally left wing in their politics. Certainly they're Democrats and there's no focus on that whatsoever. Bill Clinton spent a lot of time with this guy on the planes. A lot of time. We know that.
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Miranda Devine
Ok?
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Buck Sexton
That's a fact. That's a That's an understood fact. Larry Summers was asking this guy for advice on, I believe, like, how he could step, stepping out on his wife with a, a Asian or Chinese mentee, like a mentor mentee relationship, who has a close relationship with the ccp, with the Chinese Communist Party, you know, so, so there's, there's the criminal. There's also just the unethical and the sleazy. These are. You have to parse all these things. And look, I hope we just get whatever information we need to know, everything about this that we can know. And I'm going to tell you this, I don't think there's a lot that's in those files that's going to be released. I have, I think they absolutely should be released at this point. Fine. Trump says they should be released. Fine. And I think that anything that would have been smoking gun has long since been, and I don't even know at what part in the, in the chain, so to speak, but has long since been covered up and erased and whatever the, whatever the tapes were, et cetera. All that I think has, has occurred here. So we have to, we have to be specific. We have to be clear. I also completely agree with Trump that there must be a real degree of frustration, there must be considerable frustration from his administration for the things that they are doing that affect all Americans. And Democrats get to play this, you know, chase the shiny object game with, oh, but look at, there's a, there's a Trump Epstein email or something. He knows the shutdown was a disaster for Democrats. They're used to winning those kind of battles, at least in the public's view, because of the advantage they have with propaganda in the media. That didn't happen this time. Schumer. Schumer looks like a schmo. And that's something that Democrats weren't anticipating going into the midterm election year. But affordability, prices, the border, the war on drugs, the war on fentanyl. There's a lot that's happening right now that is really, really important. And I do think that is where we should spend a good portion of our time today here. But by all means, if you have something that you want to weigh in with, you can let us know, you can email us about this release of these files and. All right, let's, let's see what they've got. Considering that we spend about a third of our lives in bed, you want to be really comfortable. Okay. And our sponsor, Cozy Earth, can help with that. You know, I got my mom for her birthday A Cozy Earth Bubble Cuddle blanket. This blanket's amazing. I have one for Carrie too so I got one for my wife. I got one for my mom for her birthday. They're so comfortable that my dad is a very alpha male guy. He's like I want a cuddle bubble blanket too for the cold nights up at nyc. So he's getting a cuddle bubble blanket now. I've also got him the sheets. I sleep on the sheets. My mom, obviously my mom and dad, they're sleeping on the sheets. Cozy Earth sheets are the best. Made with bamboo fabric, lightweight and breathable so you don't overheat. Even Baby Speed has got Cozy Earth in his little cribs. They make crib size sheets too. Only the best for Baby Speed. Cozy earth is incredible. 100 night sleep trial guarantee, money back guarantee and a 10 year warranty. If you've started your holiday shopping, get the ones you love. Cozy Earth Black Friday Sale prices have come early@cozyearth.com use my name Buck as your promo code on top of their site Wide sale for up to 40% off cozyearth.com promo code buck cozyearth.com promo Code buck Saving America One thought at a time Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Then the space hamster flew his hot.
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Goodbye.
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Buck Sexton
All right, second hour of clay and Buck kicks off now. And one of the great things about this show is because we are in the middle of the day. We have. Wait, we have Miranda. Oh great. Okay, great. Because in the middle of the day we get breaking news. But right now I got Miranda Devine breaking in here with a phone call and she's making some time for us. She's very busy right now because she is right in the midst of these revelations about Thomas Crooks, the would be assassin of Donald Trump. Miranda, your piece up in the New York Post. I think we've got a cross post atclay and buck.com. it is very important. Let's start with this. How sure are we, how solid are we that that this stuff about about crooks right now is true? That has been found online. The YouTube accounts like, like go through a little bit of the verification of that with us.
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Miranda Devine
Yeah, sure. This is from a source who is obviously very tech savvy and has basically used open source searching of web archives using some tools that private investigators have, but not using law enforcement tools. And you know, a day after Butler, YouTube, for instance, shut down Thomas Crooks account. But my source managed to find old messages from there. Now, this was available to the FBI because we know that the deputy director, Paula Bate, back in July of last year, a week, two weeks after the Butler event, he testified to Congress about this account with more than 700 comments, which we have, which our source gave us. And so, you know, it's pretty straightforward. Our source found 17 online accounts that Thomas Crooks had signed up to using his own name, using a phone number of Thomas Crooks that was publicly available and his email addresses that connected to all these accounts. So he's cross checked it and is very satisfied that this is the Thomas Crooks where he wasn't 100% sure. He said so, but he used these. They're not really aliases, but they're sort of handles Crooks used on other social media like Gab and X. He used Epic Microwave. That's also what he used on a site called DeviantArt. The only time he used an actual alias to sign up for an account was with PayPal. And he used the name Rod Swanson, which is the name of an FBI agent who, a former FBI agent from Vegas who was peripherally involved in the Las Vegas, you know, mysterious mass shooting. I've talked to him, knows nothing about it, doesn't have a PayPal account, never heard of, never, never interacted with Thomas Crook and doesn't even know how to set up a PayPal account. But what he did tell me, because he's a very senior former FBI guy, very seasoned. He said it is inconceivable that a kid with this kind of online communications and sort of violent rhetoric would not have been visited or beyond the radar of the FBI. So, you know, other FBI people tell me the same thing. One of them suggested that because August 2020 was when Thomas was at his peak. Violent rhetoric, talking about assassinating political leaders and assassinating military leaders and using AR15s, which was similar to the gun that he used. And just after that, he goes dark, he just disappears off all of these platforms. You just. He's a ghost. But until August of 2020, he's very prolific and you can see the trajectory of how he Goes from, you know, age sort of 15, 16, very pro Trump, you know, like calling him the ultimate patriot, very anti Democrats, anti the squad, anti Ilhanoma. And then something happens to him in January 2020, in the space of 22 months, he's gone from rabidly pro Trump, he goes to rabidly anti Trump. He's got flipped 180 degrees. And then his rhetoric gets more and more violent and disturbing. And, you know, people, it was so bad that there were people online interacting him with him who were tagging the FBI and saying to him, hey, you know, you're pretty dumb. Like, the way you're talking openly now, it's good because now law enforcement knows where to find you. So it's hard to believe the FBI didn't have him in their sights. But Christopher Wray, a week after Butler, testified to Congress that they had done a search of their database and found nothing before Butler. So that doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't have any interaction. And I think Christopher Wray knew exactly what he was doing when he phrased it in that way, because I know that during my Biden research that there was interactions with whistleblowers about the Biden family, influence peddling, corruption. And that was not visible to any average FBI agent looking in the database. It was hidden away deliberately by certain rogue FBI agents in a place where it could only be found by people who needed to know.
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Buck Sexton
So there's so much here, Miranda, I want, I think it's so important everyone knows these details because it's hard to believe, that's one way of putting it, that all this was out there and that as you've, as you said from even FBI sources of yours, that this would not have been on the FBI's radar. But an even like, lesser, but also equally hard to believe component of this to me seems to be that the FBI didn't find this stuff. Like, why? How is it possible that your person, your source, was able to find this online, but the FBI wasn't able to? Right. There's the possibility of being on the radar before the shooting and possible meeting with law enforcement. You've established that. But how is it that we didn't know about this before? Is the FBI, Are we to be told that they're that incompetent? That is just, it's mind blowing.
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Miranda Devine
No, I have no reason to think that the FBI isn't fully aware of this and much more. I mean, you know, it would be ridiculous to think that they hadn't uncovered this. And in Fact, Paul Abate, the deputy director under Ray, did testify that they had this account with more than 700, same as the YouTube account. So I assume they have all of this and much more. The question is why haven't they been more forthcoming, particularly since Trump took over, by. When I contacted the FBI about this story and asked them a number of questions, including I think the most important question. Did you have any interactions with Thomas Crooks before Butler? Did anyone tip you off about Thomas Crook? You know, did you investigate him? Did you knock on his door? That's what I'm told. They should have knocked on his door. Did you do that? What? The answer I get from Cash Patel's FBI no comment. That's it. So I don't understand it. And you know, someone else said to me, well, maybe it was the Secret service because in August 2020 Donald Trump was president. So they have would be the primary agency that would go and knock on a door if there's a threat to one of their protectives. But the Secret Service gave me a better response when I asked them and they said basically that this would be in, this would be something, the FBI would do that even if they, they said they have no record of crooks. They said now. But in any case, this is an FBI responsibility. So I don't even think it's as simple as fall between the cracks between two agencies. The FBI knows a lot, they have to know a lot. Just how much I don't know and.
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Buck Sexton
When can I jump in with there's something that we didn't know or at least it wasn't reported until this week that this guy used they them pronouns and was like interested in furries and had brought into the gender madness. How could that not have been brought forward if the FBI was operating in good faith and had access to this information?
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Miranda Devine
Yes, I mean it's very slim, I have to emphasize that. But like Tyler Robinson, the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk, there is a connection to this sexual fetish called furries, which is people dressing up as animals or you know, enjoying cartoon animal humanized figures having sex or being in sexual positions. So Thomas Crook, he's not shared any furry stuff or talked about it, but he was frequenting and had two accounts on a site called DeviantArt, which is a, the major sort of furry hub online furry hub and it's sort of for the furry community. And he doesn't share anything like that. He does share this sort of bizarre image of a very muscle bound sort of Sylvester Stallone masculine body with a female Head on top of it with a puny little guy next to it that looks like him that's sort of in a prostate. They're not dressed, they're dressed in their underwear. So that's one. And then other than that sort of cartoon characters on this platform that are violent, shooting each other in the head and so on.
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Buck Sexton
Right. So I mean, he's clear, he's clearly a sicko. What about the they them pronoun stuff?
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Miranda Devine
And he uses they them pronouns on deviant art. That's the first time we've seen that. So clearly some sort of gender confusion or exploring gender identity again, I mean, that disturbing and needs to be explored because we've had so many school shooters. Tyler Robinson, also in that vein. His, his living lover. So I think it's pertinent and I don't think it's enough for Keshe Patel to say, oh, he was a lone actor, forget about it. I mean, if there's a pattern, we need to know about it. Ron Johnson, it's not just me as a journalist or Tucker Carlson, who also did an episode on this last week with the same source. It's also Ron Johnson, the senator whose job is oversight of the FBI. And he has been asking since day one for a whole lot of information, including, you know, camera forensics, autopsy, other documents and getting stonewalled. And even under Trump's FBI, he hadn't to. Ron Johnson was very angry about the fact that in July, on the one year anniversary of Butler, he had to subpoena Cash Patel for the documents that he's been asking for.
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Buck Sexton
So, you know, we will, we will have a team. Let's, let's get Ron John, he may be listening right now. Let's get Senator Johnson on here because I want to talk to him about this as well, because we need to continue to follow this and push for this. Miranda, this is all so important. And everyone should go read Miranda's piece at the New York Post. Also her podcast, Pod Force One. Go. Yeah, yep, go, go. Check out her podcast before, before we let you go though. I know you got a whole bunch of hits today. Tell me, I want to let you react to this honestly. You know, Clay and I really appreciate your work and we appreciate you as a person. Hunter Biden is a jerk. You were always, while you reported on him, you would always say, look, he's kind of a sad guy and like, you know, he might actually, you know, you always had some, when you would talk to us about this on the air, some degree of sympathy for the guy. Because I think you're just a nice person. I had to play this because I want you to react. Hunter Biden here said mean things about you, and Clay and I are ready to fight him. Play 16. There's no ethics in what, you know, like someone as horrendously ugly as Miranda Devine physically. And. And in terms of her. In terms of her ethics, it does. I mean, she is, you know, a. And then.
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Miranda Devine
And.
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Buck Sexton
And. And that goes for, you know. You know, I mean, Daily Mail and, you know, but, I mean, they're horrors. I mean, they're whores for money. And, you know, she does it because she makes money. And, you know, when she goes to.
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Eric Trump
Sleep at night, I'm sure she sleeps just fine.
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Buck Sexton
But, you know, I don't know anybody that is going to be mourning her when she's gone. I think we. Person. Well, we appreciate you. Everything you said is a lie, and he's a disgusting piece of trash. I just. Do you feel like, oh, man, you were too nice to this guy. He's a horrible human being. He truly is.
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Miranda Devine
I still have the same impression of him that I've always had. He's a broken human being. And look, he's lashing out. You notice that in all his podcasts, he never refutes a word I said and what I've written and what I found. Even though he keeps up the pretense through his lawyer, Abby Loll, that he doesn't know anything about the laptop. It's not his laptop. Or maybe it was his laptop. It was stolen. He never refutes any of it. The millions of dollars, the fact that he traded on his father's name, the fact that his father was involved in getting him clients, and then he put him on the speakerphone. All that corruption during Joe Biden's vice presidency to enrich his family, he doesn't. He doesn't go into any of that and try and defend himself. He just attacks my appearance and hilariously calls me a whore. So, I mean, you know, it's ridiculous, and I think I just ignore it. I mean.
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Buck Sexton
I mean, he's. He's. He should. He should be in prison. As we all know, he should be serving a lengthy federal sentence in prison, but because of Daddy, he's not. But I just. You know, Miranda, I think there were a lot of people on the right who, you know, they're all, he's an addict. And they try to give some sympathy. I think what you saw here, he's a disgusting human being. And I. And I thought that all along, so, you know, I just think he showed everybody what a piece of garbage he is. And I'm just glad that you did the completely accurate and fearless reporting on him that you did and that people knew the truth about the Bidens in general on the Biden crime family. So. And you know, Clay, Claire, I are happy to have a word with him outside the bar if we ever see him, you know, after he says mean things. Yes. Anyway, Miranda, you're the best. You're the best.
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Eric Trump
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
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Eric Trump
In the know when you're on The.
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Buck Sexton
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Eric Trump
In the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or.
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Buck Sexton
Wherever you get your podcasts. Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now. Everybody, thank you for being here. Immigration, big issue, very important. Illegal immigration and legal immigration. Actually, conversations to be had about all of this right now given the Trump agenda. The border, as he had mentioned just a little while ago with the Saudi crown prince in the Oval Office. Border is very secure. I don't know if it's the most secure. You know, they got a pretty secure border between north and South Korea. But you know, I get his point. It's a very secure border now and compared to what it was, it's a remarkable transformation and we should never lose sight of the fact that a secure border was always possible. But the Democrats didn't want it and in fact chose to make it insecure, wide open. In fact, that is what occurred. And Trump has proven that in very short, very short order, within a few months of taking office, it all changed. And so all those reporters, all those Democrats who pretended under Biden's wide open border policies that it was just beyond the capabilities of the United States government to do something about it, they were lying to you. They were lying to you. Please do not forget that, because there's a lot of work to be done still on, on immigration, the H1B issue, which is about reforming a legal component of immigration. But let's still stay focused here for a bit on the illegal immigration issue. We had around 10 million. We don't even know the exact number. We don't know how many came in under Biden and we don't know how many are here total. Nobody does. And anyone who says otherwise, again, lying to you. So we had 10 million come in under Biden, which means there are legals in this country who have been here for a short period of time, completely unvetted, no idea who they are. And we, the American people, have had enough of this. Solid majority of Americans want illegals who came here under Biden to be sent back to their home country, which is a com. This is a just outcome. We're not, we're not arguing in favor of solitary confinement for 10 years for every legal came here. I understand a vast majority of them, not bad people at all. They, they want a better life for themselves and their kids. I bear for those illegals. I don't bear them any ill will. But they aren't allowed to stay here. There's a different thing. I don't have a problem with them as individuals, as human beings. And I saw what the Catholic Conference of Bishops and you know, I'm trying to be more active in my Catholic faith in last couple of years. Well, obviously coinciding as well with my son's birth, I think it's very important that he grow up in a household that at some level is practicing its Christian faith. Not just believing and not just knowing, but active in our church, in the Catholic Church, at least in a Christian faith, at a minimum. I saw what the Catholic bishops put out there and it's just, yeah, I won't get into this now other than I think there's a lot, a lot of work to be done inside the Catholic Church and the way that it has been brought so far to the left. These bishops have nothing to say about abortion everywhere at all times on demand in blue states and pro abortion politicians and the pro trans agenda politicians and for trans kids. All this, nothing to say about that, only open borders. This is when, this is when it's too far for them. Very frustrating, very frustrating. Because in a modern American society, as we in our modern American society, presence equals the state giving them things that they take from Americans that are rightfully, that rightfully belong to Americans and that are taken from us under the threat of force. If I don't pay my taxes, in fact, if I don't, even if I don't pay my taxes, I go to prison. If I don't pay my health care premiums, I don't have access to private health care and I'm paying for all the emergency room visits with my tax dollars for all these illegals they're taking from. There's a, there's a theft that occurs. A theft is occurring on a massive scale by the presence of these illegals. And it is a theft that people need to understand in the most clear terms and that this must be addressed by the administration. In fact, JD Vance, this is cut 12. So this ties into a lot, ties into the jobs issue, ties into the tax issue, ties into the housing issue. And here is J.D. vance on the issue of home affordability and illegals play 12. A lot of young people are saying housing is way too expensive.
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Eric Trump
Why is that?
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Buck Sexton
Because we flooded the country with 30 million illegal immigrants who were taken houses that ought, by right, go to American citizens. And at the same time, we weren't building enough new houses to begin with, even for the population that we had. So what we're doing is trying to make it easier to build houses, trying to make it easier to build factories and things like that so that people have good jobs. We're also getting all of those illegal aliens out of our country and you're already seeing it start to pay some dividends. No matter what Democrats say, no matter what these civilization undermining Pro illegal alien NGOs do and say supply and demand is a real thing. It's a real thing. When it comes to the labor market, it's a real thing. When it comes to the housing market, it's always real, it's always operating. It's just a question of how much state interference is there, how much subterfuge is there in the market. But people need places to live, they need to pay for them. The Prices are being set. And in this case here, let me get. Let me give you just a particularly clear example. And this is short term housing, hotels, New York City. I'm going to be visiting my family next week in New York. It has not. People keep. I've even had people say to me like, has Mamdani ruined it yet? I'm like, well, he's not mayor yet. So we, we gotta, we gotta take a moment, you know, becomes mayor, I think, a little later. But here we have New York City with its housing prices and its. Which are sky high, but also. Which is how Mamdani, of course, rode this issue into the mayor's office. But then you have, on top of that, the hotels in New York City, hotels are, are wildly expensive. And I know this because I'm looking at the hotel bills for next week and I'm going, oh my gosh, hotels are wildly expensive in New York. It was the case. I'm not sure what it is right now, but in the last few years that migrants at taxpayer expense were, were taking up 20%. 20, 20 to 25%, I think it was, of the hotel rooms in the five boroughs of New York City. That's a huge portion of it. When you take 25% off the table for those of us who are not government subsidized and not having someone else pay for it, what happens? Price goes up. More people want the same amount of goods that are there, the price goes up. So if that applies in New York City, and it most certainly does. The same way that the 30% of illegals using all hotel, I'm sorry, all, er, visits. Right. The same way that those individuals create longer waits and more expensive care for everybody else. Supply and demand. There's always a cost. There is no free lunch. I mean, some people have a free lunch, but it's not free for everybody. Right? Somebody else is paying for that lunch. That's why there can't be a free lunch. Someone's paying and it's you. And many of us have become tired of how much of that is going on when it comes to illegal aliens in the millions in this country. And there's also the issue of when do we have too many illegals and when do we have too many recent arrivals for assimilation to function the way that it needs to in any society. Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida. And it's not just because I live here. Look, Governor DeSantis is a big part of why I moved here, because of what he was doing in this state. He. I think Is the best governor still in America. I'd never experienced this before, and I joke around with my family members about this. I used to just always have to tell myself, I lived in New York, all right, you know, the political leadership, although there were some good mayors. There were some good mayors, but at the state level, a lot of bozo, a lot of dumb stuff being done, I thought, all right, well, I still love New York, even if the leadership is dumb. Now I'm in Florida, and I get to say, wow, this is a great state. I'm really enjoying my life here. And the leadership does smart things that they should do, and they even think of smart things to do that I hadn't thought of. That's what it is to be in a state with intelligent, conservative, realistic, sane governance. Now, you know, some of you really like Texas. You really like Tennessee. You really like whatever in red state. Governor, you have. Some of you in Utah. Well, I've heard it. I've heard. I've heard some mixed reviews about how you feel about your state governance. You love your state. But I've heard. I'm just saying we have a huge Salt Lake City audience. I was out in Utah not long ago, and I heard, you know, you love Utah, but the Utah leadership, I hear some things a little mixed, a little mixed review, but DeSantis weighed in on the illegal immigrant issue, and here he is, and he's just saying something that needs to be said. It is possible to take in too many foreigners too quickly, and we need to be realistic about that as a country. Because at some level, a country is an idea. It is lines on a map that only can exist because there is a sense of a political nation, family of people, a bond that exists between us as Americans. It's a very complicated, really interesting thing, isn't it? The notion of this nation state of this American family that you and I, you know, you may have grown up in Washington state or you may have grown up in Colorado, and I grew up in New York City. And that there's something that holds us. There are things that hold us together. We have all this shared belief, all this shared sense of destiny and purpose as Americans. We have to protect that and preserve that. It isn't just a guarantee. In fact, countries fall apart. They have civil wars, they have secession movements, they have breakages in that polity. The Greeks would have called it right in that political family. And Ron DeSantis says, look, what if you bring 10 million people into 10 million people from Somalia into Georgia? Would that be a good idea. Blake, cut 11. You have some strain on the right. This is. No, no, no. Illegal. Illegal immigration is bad. Legal immigration, no matter what, is good. And wait a minute now, I'm not.
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Eric Trump
Saying any of it's that it's all.
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Buck Sexton
Bad or what, but is bringing 10 million people from like Somalia and dumping them into Georgia, is that good because it's legal? I think you have to think critically about what are we doing with an immigration policy and is it benefiting the American people? Is it helping to promote a strong American culture? We should never bring people into this country who hate America. We have to be smart. It's lazy thinking to say anything that's legal must necessarily be good, critical. And this is the next level of this discussion. This is where this is all going now. It's not just illegal immigration that needs a good long look. We've had a lot of legal immigration. We've changed this country faster with foreigners than at any time in our history. More than the Ellis island era, more than the period of the, of the settlers, more than any time. Okay? We have had massive transformation. Now a lot of them, a lot of people come here, become great Americans. I live here in South Florida. And it's funny because I, through my study of authoritarianism and communism specifically, I just have this inherent fondness and kinship with Venezuelan Americans and Cuban Americans who are right wing and hate communism. Like, we just have. I just have this bond. They think how I think, and we. So yes, it can work and it's a beautiful thing and it is part of the story of America. And I get all of that. But there has to be a real conversation about have we done too much of this thing? You know, you drink too much water, you die. You know that that's a truth. That's a real thing. You can actually die. You need water to live. Water is not bad. Too much water too fast, guys. I think it's called like hyponatremia or something. Check me on this one. But it's when you, you, you get the sodium levels get thrown off. It happens to elite athletes sometimes in like super marathons or ultramarathons. You can. Water can kill you if there's too much of it. Drinking it, I mean, obviously you can drown in it. But drinking too much water, it is possible to have too much of what is otherwise a good thing or a valid thing. Have we had too much legal immigration too quickly in this country? This is not to disparage anyone who's come here legally. We love our American legal immigrants. And you know, but the number's gotten really big and we do have to draw a line somewhere. And maybe it's time to like, you know, cozy up with our fellow Americans for a while here and have some continuity, some, some sense of assimilation, some sense of our shared Americanness, some. That that is a. Because if you look at previous periods of migration to America, there was a surge and then things calmed down for a while and we let things settle. There was a surge and then we get. It is only in this era where we've done just blown the hinges off the doors, everyone's coming, everyone's coming illegally. You know, it's a free for all and it's supposed to continue this way in perpetuity. Ron knows. Ron DeSantis, the governor knows. That's crazy. No country can be the country it is if it continues in this way. That's what I think. All right, look, the mess that is Russia's invasion and near constant bombing of parts of Ukraine continues. Lost in all the war posturing and politics of stories of innocent civilians and the hardships that they're facing. It's a country that the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews are putting their focus on right now. In the course of their work, the IFCJ came upon a 96 year old Holocaust survivor. Her name is Galena. She lived much of her life in the same village and understandably, it's not healthy today, like every day, she must decide whether to spend what little money she has on food, medication or heating through the ifcj. And with the help of your donation, you can bring hope to those in need like Galena. Your gift of $25 provides a food box packed full of life saving essentials that will help feed an elderly Jew struggling to survive. Don't delay. Your gift today will give hope to Galena and many like her that are desperately in need. To rush your gift, call 888-488 IFCJ. That's 888-488-4325 or give online@ FellowshipGift.org that's FellowshipGift.org Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
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Eric Trump
Mic drops.
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Buck Sexton
That never sounded so good. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Buck Sexton
All right, welcome back in, everybody. Eric Trump, who is executive president of the vice president of the Trump Organization, joins us now. He's got a great book out Under Siege, and it has been number one, number one for many, many weeks. It's a great book. Highly recommend it to you. Also, the name of a wonderful movie, as we discussed last time, Steven Seagal's Best. Eric, great to have you on the program.
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Eric Trump
Well, last time you thought it was Jean Claude Van Damme, but it was Steven Skull. Now listen, we've come a long way since then. We were number one New York Times bestseller. We're number one every week on Amazon. We've done an unbelievable job. And this country's pissed off, my friend. I think you know that better than anybody. But this country is severely pissed off. And I think that's why it ran the charts as hard as it did. And it's why it's doing as well as it is.
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Buck Sexton
I would tell you this, my friend. I think it was Clay who messed up Jean Claude Van Damme and Steven Seagal because I would never, never mess up our 80s action lore. That's a classic Clay. I'm throwing Clay right under the bus.
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Eric Trump
Under the bus. I'm pretty sure it was Clay.
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Buck Sexton
I'm, I'm taking this whispering angel, chardonnay drinking, you know, fancy fellow, throwing him on the bus. Anyway, he sends his regards, by the way. He's on a, he's on a super secret mission which we will only be able to tell the audience about, I think later on in the week. But he's abroad right now. But let me, let me just ask you about this because your dad today was president of the United States, was in the Oval Office with the Saudi crown prince and the questions from the reporters and one in particular really intended to just be attacks, not even really questions, you know, very much in the when did you stop beating your wife? Category of questions. And President Trump had just had enough. I gotta say, I hear that. I see a lot of other people hear that, and they think, yeah, I actually don't think the President should sit there and just take abuse from journalists.
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Eric Trump
Well, listen, he's not good at taking abuse from journalists, and he's certainly at the point in his life where he doesn't need to. In fact, some of those interactions are some of the most comical interactions you'll ever see. And the media always portrays themselves as jokers. They have this entire time. I mean, look at 60 Minutes, right? Look at Lesley Stahl, you know, you know, my father goes out, they're spying on my campaign. They're not spying on your. And then, sure enough, guess what we find out that they're spying on the campaign. And look at, you know, CNN every single day, and look at the questions that they ask. And every single time they ask a question, everything that my father says is proven to be correct. And yet they continue to go down these narratives, Right? I mean, look at the New York Times with their Pulitzer Prizes for the Russia hoax. It was a hoax. They, you know, they let it run for a three year period of time and then it came out that was a hoax. They won't give back their Pulitzer Prizes, but yet they berated my father every single day. Look at all the sham indictments and trials in New York where every single day they said my father was going to jail. They said that he was good, he was the worst human. And guess what? Every single one of those lawsuits got overturned. Every single one of those indictments got overturned in the court system. And so the point of the narrative is our media in this country doesn't have a whole lot of credibility. The trust in our media in this country is single digits, right? No one likes them, no one trusts them. They normally conduct themselves like absolute fools. And it's why American people don't like them, don't watch them. And it's why independent voice like yours is doing so well.
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Buck Sexton
Well, you know, on this, on this issue of the, the critics of the administration or of your dad and the team he has around him in the Cabinet. It's pretty remarkable to me, you know, you, you've run, you're the executive vice president, the Trump Organization. You've been operating in the world of international business dealings and at a scale with, you know, big dollar figures, a lot of employees, a lot of productivity, a lot of things going on. The voices That I hear attacking Trump from the left, the Democrat party attacking this administration on affordability, on things like housing. I just have to laugh. These people, you know, this is the AOC Mamdani wing, they don't know a darn thing about how to build anything, what it costs, what it means to actually create product for people like homes to live in. And yet they're the experts on this. I mean, this strain of Mamdaniism, it's just gotta drive you nuts as a, as part of a family of builders.
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Eric Trump
You know, what drives me nuts is actually under Joe Biden you had, you know, four years of 10% plus inflation in this country, right? That means every two by four at Home Depot is more expensive. I mean, housing prices literally doubled. And that's because of, of massive, massive inflation. Guess who that benefits, that doesn't benefit the lower and middle classes. That benefits people that have assets. And yet they're talking about affordability now. So you mean to tell me 10% compounded every single year? You remember energy prices buck. You remember the little stickers that said I did that and it's a picture of Joe Biden's face. And everybody was putting them on the gas prices, gas pumps all over the country, right? When energy costs became some of the most expensive in history. When, you know, America stopped exporting energy, right? They became dependent on other countries for energy. Even though that we were totally energy sufficient under my father's first term and he gave it all away when he started banning the Keystone XL pipeline and so many other projects, right? Biden caused that problem. Biden caused the inflation. Look at inflation rates today under my father versus inflation rates under Joe Biden. It's laughable that anybody could say that the affordability crisis occurred under Donald Trump and not Joe Biden. When you literally had the cost of everyday life go up a compounding 10% a year. It was over 40% over, over the four year period of time when nominal wages were increasing like 2% a year, right? People are getting crammed down by 25, 30, 35% over that period of time where they were losing ground. So the cost of everything was going like this and obviously wage growth was virtually stagnant. I find it comical to say the least.
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Buck Sexton
Speaking of Eric Trump, number one New York Times bestseller Under Siege is his book, which I know so many of you have gotten copies of. But if you haven't, makes a great present for the holidays. Eric, you know, we're coming into the end of the year, holiday season and there's a lot of talk, like I said, about affordability and, and people are going to. I'm sure we're going to see the news reports on Monday, Tuesday about the cost of a Thanksgiving dinner now versus obviously under Biden. The inflation for these dinners was, was tremendous. Now, Trump, your dad's bringing this stuff down, but what is your. You're having to operate in the private sector in ways that you have tremendous connectivity here at home and around the world. What's your look ahead for the 2026 economy here at home? What are some of the things that you think could really ignite the continuation of a lot of the growth and a lot of the good policy that we've seen? Like, what are you looking at for 2026 when it comes to the costs of things, Pocketbook issues, all that?
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Eric Trump
Buck, I've never been more bullish on the future of America. I mean, I mean that sincerely. You know, if you look at what my father's doing on energy, right? He wants energy. He wants these SMRs, he wants these nuclear reactors, right? He's, he's permitting them left and right. He's saying, drill, baby, drill. He wants to have the cheapest energy in the world. And why is that? Let me, let me just explain this to everybody. Energy costs are directly correlated to GB gdp. The lower your energy costs, generally speaking, the higher your GDP costs are. And you can track that for literally decades and decades around the world. You keep low energy costs, you're going to have high gdp. That's especially true when you have things like, like, you know, the crypto industries, the AI industries, industries that can transform, you know, be transformational to an economy. Obviously, AI is that revolution. Crypto in terms of digital finance, is that revolution. Guess what they need. They need energy. So does manufacturing. It needs, it needs energy. We've got more energy under our feet than any country anywhere in the world. And we're finally exploiting that again, which is an amazing thing for the United States of America. That's what pulls costs down. You know, they say about 50 to 60% of all inflation is the cost of energy. Because for every egg, for every gallon of milk, for, you know, guess what you need to do? You need to transport that. And transporting costs are expensive. And that's all based, you know, on oil and gas and ultimately energy. So we're solving the energy. Second of all, look at bonus depreciation, right? So my father put in 100% bonus depreciation. It means that every person who reinvests their company, reinvest their business is able to write it off, you know, day one, year one. What that's going to do in terms of the contracting space, what's that. It's going to do with. In terms of inward investing in companies in America is going to be transformational. Third of all, look at the, you know, the tax plan. The largest tax breaks in the history of our country were put in by. By my father, right? That's going to be revolutionary for, for American competitiveness around the world, you know, business owners. Fourth, look at the amount of inward investment that's coming into our country. And look at what Saudi Arabia is doing. Look at what all these countries are doing. Literally trillions of dollars that this point. Trillions and trillions of dollars are coming into the United States. And that's before you even get to, you know, he's going out to every country saying, listen, aside from the fact I want you to invest $2 trillion in the US or a trillion dollars or $800 billion, I want you to go out and I want you to buy 200 Boeing aircraft, right? I mean, he's literally saving industries by. By what he's. What he's doing. Then fifth, you look at, you know, the tariffs. The tariffs are working. It's hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars that are flowing back into this country based on tariffs, based on the fact that everybody wants to and needs to trade with the United States of America, which is by far the world's largest economy of 32, $33 trillion. And guess what he's doing on the opposite side? He's getting rid of all tariffs. He's getting rid of all duties, which is allowing Ford and allowing all the American companies to be able to export their product overseas. The point of this story is I've never been more bullish on the United States ever before. There's confidence in this country. There's respect around the world for the United States of America. Everybody wants to be part of the dollar. You see stablecoins all around the world that are pegged to the US Dollar. Trillions of dollars are going to come into our economy based on stablecoins, based on the growth of cryptocurrencies, which I believe in with every aspect of my heart and soul. Our economy is going to boom. Are you going to have volatility? Of course. You always have volatility in every economy, but I think we are. You compare America to Europe. It's not even close. You compare America to just about any other region in the world, Buck, it's not even close. We're doing all the right things and we're doing them quickly and smartly. And America is ultimately going to win because of it. And there's never been a time in my life where I've been more bullish on the United States of America.
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Buck Sexton
Eric Trump, everybody go get a copy of his book Under Siege. And Eric, thanks for coming by to hang out. Good to see you as always.
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Eric Trump
Thanks, Mark.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, look, I'm. I'm bullish on the economy too. I think there's going to be great things happening. I also want to save you money where I can. Right? Your own personal economy. That's a good thing. And all the time I've been here on this show talking about Pure Talk. It has been my wireless cell phone company for years. And today they're offering unlimited talk text and unlimited data with a 30 gig hotspot for just 2995amonth for life. This is Pure Talk's top tier plan. Normally $65 a month, now through December 7, 2995amonth. You're saving over 50% a month every month for life. Let alone the savings percentage you might realize from a more expensive plan with another carrier. And by the way, this is on their crazy fast 5G network with pure Talk. But this offer is extremely short lived. Make the Switch today. Dial £250, say Clay and buck for Pure Talk's best unlimited plan. For just 29.95amonth for life, Pure Talk's US customer service team can have you switched in minutes. Keep your phone, keep your number and start saving with unlimited for life. For less than 30 bucks a month. Dial £250, say Clay and Buck to switch to my wireless company, Pure Talk. Taxes and fees not included. Some restrictions apply. See PureTalk.com for details. This offer expires on December 7, 2025. Keep up with the biggest political comeback in world history on the Team 47 podcast. Clay and Buck highlight Trump replays from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Miranda Devine
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