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Buck Sexton
Welcome back in everybody to Clay and Buck. We're talking about the mom Donnie, Commie mom Donnie. He is going to be in the White House tomorrow. So he's got that going for him, which is nice. But we are looking at what this is going to be like. VIP email from Pamela. Thanks Buck for reminding me to laugh sometimes at the Democrat antics rather than just feel anger or fear. It's much healthier to recognize it for what it is. Keep the face, keep the faith, preserve my sanity. You guys are the best. Well, yes, yes indeed. Thank you. We try, we try to be happy warriors here. You know, we're in the fight. But look, it's the day to day is stressful and hard enough. We want you to come here, get a lot of great information, get insights. You know, have people like Governor DeSantis and Senator Ron Johnson fill you in on what's happening from the very top levels of government, respectively in their different spheres. But also have fun. You know we want you to have fun. Obviously every day it's because it's more fun for us too. So I really, I really appreciate that. I just had to open up with the Jasmine Crock thing today. Do you realize that a man named Jeffrey Epstein, you know I, I grew up in Manhattan and I think there were, there were several Jeffrey Epstein's in my general vicinity. I didn't even, I didn't even think about it until now. Oh my gosh, it's amazing. It is amazing. Also VIP email from William writes. Hey Bach. To continue the fun, we should go to Jasmine's website and donate to her campaign using the name Jeffrey Epstein. Well don't, don't donate in someone else's name, but I get the joke. And yeah, it's. Oh, man. Funny. Funny stuff. Funny stuff. All right, now we got this Mom Donnie meeting tomorrow. What. What's really at issue here? And I think that there's going to be an effort to. Well, first of all, there's going to be an effort to make Mamdaniism. And Clay and I have talked about this a lot. An issue for the midterms. I don't know how much. How well that will work. I think the cost of things is a huge decider of where this midterm is going to go, whether, you know, who. Who makes the case that they're better at handling costs. I was just actually reading a couple of days ago a piece I can't remember. Wall Street Journal, New York Times. I read all these different newspapers constantly, so I can't keep straight sometimes where I read it. But as you know, one of the big Mom Donnie plans is a rent freeze. I'm gonna freeze the rent. And this is one of these ideas that. I get it, it sounds good. Like, oh, the rent's going to be frozen. A lot of people now, it doesn't sound good. If you're a landlord, we'll get to that. But, oh, you know, the rent's going to be frozen because, yeah, New York rent is very high. Why is New York rent very high? This is true in a lot of cases. Okay. A lot of places. New York is a test case for this. But it's same thing's true for house building in Los Angeles County. Is that the county, Louisiana? It's LA county, right? Yeah, Los Angeles County. Same thing's true in a lot of very left wing districts in this and counties in this country. What. What makes the cost so high are things like labor cost, regulatory cost, and then market conditions as well. Do a lot of people want to live where you want to live? There's also a supply and demand aspect of it, but there are artificial constraints on the supply and demand as a result of government intervention. Right. This is where Hayek. It's a little dry, but Hayek's road to serfdom is so good because Hayek makes the case that. And it's very important to remember government intervention in markets begets more government intervention in markets. The more the government tries to play God, so to speak, in where you can live and what you pay and what you can buy and all this. Then there's this tendency for them to say, oh, we've created a distortion in the market. Let's fix it with More government regulation. And you all see this in your, in your day to day life. You know, whenever the government has done something, you're like, well, that's a dumb idea. What happens later when everyone realizes it's a dumb idea? Does the government say, let's stop doing the dumb thing? No, they generally want to do another dumb thing to fix the dumb thing that they should not have done in the first place. And with that, I bring you rent control or a rent freeze. Both of them applicable here in New York City. Oh, let's just freeze the rent. Well, does that freeze the cost? Does that freeze taxes on the people who own these buildings? You know, this, this is where you start to see the destructive hand of government and markets. And Mamdani fundamentally does not. This is where he's a commie. Well, we'll just, you know, we'll give more to people and then they'll have more stuff and everybody, everybody will be happy. But no, what about the hand that takes, what about the government hand that says, well, that's mine now and, and I'm going to give it to somebody else? That redistributive mechanism. You think about housing stock in New York city, there are 50,000, 50,000 housing units, mostly apartments, some multifamily and homes and stuff. But 50,000 places where a person or a family could live that are off the market, off the market entirely and in disrepair, unlivable. They've got, you know, they had a, some kind of a flood or they have an asbestos problem or they have whatever it is. And you know why they're off the market and not going to be on the market? Because New York City passed laws that make it impossible for them for the landlords to recoup the cost of what it would be to make the place livable. So, so you want to talk about artificial housing constraints. These are already, these are domiciles that would be ready to go. You got to put some money into them. But the landlords realize if I can only if I have to spend. Let's just make this kind of simple. A one bedroom, a one bedroom apartment. And, and I, if I spend 50,000, I'm a landlord in New York, right? There we go. I spent $50,000 to bring that apartment up to code, make it nice, make it, you know, clean, safe. Somebody's gonna want to live there. But I can only raise the rent from what it used to be. $50 a month, a hundred dollars a month. I'm never going to recoup my investment. I would need to Raise the rent, you know, a thousand dollars a month or fifteen hundred dollars a month or whatever it may be. And they won't allow it. And so as a result, all these young people, like, I can't afford to live in New York. Well, that's because the idiot politicians who run New York City, which is only possible. Also the New York bureaucracy is only possible because of the 1% of high earners in New York who fund all of the madness. Also true in California. If 1% of New Yorkers left, I mean that full 1% of top earners, if all of them left the whole, the, the whole city budget, I mean, you'd lose half of the revenue be gone. So because New York has such a concentration of extremely high earners, they're able to get away with a lot of really bad policy. It's a bit like a national government that has a tremendous amount of oil. They can get away with a lot of really bad policy because oil is going to pay a lot of the bills. And that's, that's like having an ATM machine that's just spewing out money when you have. I think New York has more obviously more billionaires than anywhere else in the country and more extreme high earners. Although the Bay Area, maybe the Bay Area actually now I'd have to look at the numbers because of all the tech stuff. There's tremendous high earners there too. But if you had a flight of just even half of that 1%, the whole city, even 25% of that 1%, 10% of that 1%, the city budget just can't, can't work, can't function. You start to think about how you get a state and then a federal bailout or something. So my problem with Mamdani, my mom Doni ism is he has no response to what I said other other than to grin and tell people, we're going to make it better for you. What I just explained is the reality that there are artificial constraints on housing that make the existing housing more, more expensive. And instead of dealing with those constraints and letting the market. A lot of people want to live in New York, they could build a lot more housing in New York. But instead of dealing with that properly, he's going to punish the people that you actually need to incentivize. Landlords, builders, developers. He's going to punish them more and make the problem worse, make scarcity a bigger issue. This is exactly what's gonna go on. And then there's the immigration and enforcement side of. Oh wait, sorry, here we go mamdani on day one plan. This is why I was thinking about this. I got so fired up I didn't even. The first order of business is to freeze the rent play 13. Yeah, I think the first order of business will frankly be the rent guidelines board and freezing the rent for more than 2 million rent stabilized tenants.
Governor Ron DeSantis
That is something that happens on an annual basis here in New York City. The other two, as you referred to is making buses fast and free and delivering universal childc.
Buck Sexton
And just this past week I had.
Governor Ron DeSantis
A great meeting with the governor where we spoke about our shared focus on affordability agenda and on universal childcare particularly. And this is something that will take a period of time. These are all promises that I intend.
Buck Sexton
To keep over the time that I am mayor.
Governor Ron DeSantis
And I also know that what they have the potential to do is transform New Yorkers ability to live in the city.
Buck Sexton
This is true. And I know this is going to sound flippant. You know where they had universal childcare as a matter of policy? The Soviet Union. They did you think it was any good? No, no, you do not want your kids to be in that. But they did have it so they could have mom and dad in the factories. The factories that didn't produce very much. The factories where they pretended to work and the owners pretended to. Or the government pretended to pay them because they were the owners. It's. It's astonishing that this is where we are. A rent freeze in New York. This guy got elected. This is the problem with Democrats. Everybody. And I know for a lot of you're like buck, I live in Texas, why do I care? Because this is Democrats at the national level too. This is how they think about everything. They approach it like a child would approach the problem instead of looking at what caused it and brought it to this point. It's like, well, what, what band Aid can I put on it to make it better now? What lipstick can I put on the. On the. The pig so to speak, to make it prettier? They don't, they don't actually look at root causes.
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Buck Sexton
They pretend to care about root causes. They don't care about root causes. They pretend to care about what got us here. The worst thing you can do for housing affordability in New York City overall is more stupid policy that makes it impossible for there to be more units on the market, more units being built. That's the worst thing you can do. And that's what he's doing. So this guy got elected largely on an issue where not only will he fail to make it better, he is inevitably going to make it worse. And this is the part that will really drive a lot of us crazy and certainly a lot of New Yorkers crazy. And he will take no responsibility for it. When he fails, it'll be somebody else. It'll be the rich, the fat cats, the millionaires and the billionaires. It'll be some class warfare nonsense. Or it's Donald Trump's. It'll actually probably be Donald Trump's fault, which is one of the reasons why I think Trump and Mamdani meeting tomorrow is so interesting, because Mamdani has Trump built up as the boogeyman who will be the excuse for whatever failures Mamdani has in New York City, whatever real market or real economic failures there are, he'll say, well, it's Trump's fault. Does he have to explain that? No, it's just going to be something that he says that makes him feel good. So we'll see. I'll take your calls on this. And, and also I want to talk about this video that was made, this video that was put out like a commercial about not obeying illegal orders from a bunch of Democrat politicians, including a Senator Slotkin, who I know she wants to be president, by the way. Not going to happen. But talk about that coming up here in a little bit when tragedy strikes. The Tulsa Towers foundation honors America's heroes and their families. Heroes like United States Specialist Andy Kingsley. Andy served our nation with honor as part of the 82nd Airborne Division. Throughout his distinguished career, he received various awards and decorations, including a Purple Heart. But while Andy was deployed, he was severely injured. The incident resulted in the loss of his right leg, partial vision loss, vision loss, a traumatic brain injury, and more. He spent over a year at Walter Reed National Medical center learning how to navigate life with his injuries. Living with severe combat injuries can make even life's daily tasks challenging. That's why receiving a specially adapted mortgage free smart home from talented Towers has been life changing for Andy. It allows him to live with greater independence and dignity. This is the power of giving to tunnel to Towers. Many more heroes like Andy need your support. Donate $11 a month to Tatt the Towers at t2t.org that's tthenumber2t.org Sometimes all you can do is laugh. And they do a lot of it with the Sunday hang. Join Clay and Buck as they laugh it up in the Clay and Buck podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Buck Sexton
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Governor Ron DeSantis joins us now. The governor of my great home State of Florida, Mr. Governor, thank you for making the time for us.
Governor Ron DeSantis
Kyle, it's good to be with you.
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Buck Sexton
I'm good, man. You're just doing such a good job. Honestly, my wife and I were the, we're the relatively new Floridians, although she grew up here, but we moved back here. And it's just nice to be in a state where, say I always tell the audience, I'm like, good and sane. Things are happening that I don't even know about. I read about things that you guys are doing up in Tallahassee and they go, oh, that makes sense. I like that idea. You know, when I was in New York, I was like, can we stop the crazy for five minutes? Can we just stop the crazy? And by the way, the answer was generally no. Let's start with this possibility because this is interesting. This has gotten some, some pretty big names in the commentary space have been having a little back and forth online. You support getting rid of homesteaded property tax in this state. Can you walk through why, how and whether this is something you think we can actually get done?
Governor Ron DeSantis
So one, if you look at what's pinching people, property taxes is one of the biggest thing that's pinching people, particularly young families.
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Why?
Governor Ron DeSantis
Because property valuations have gone up. And so you'll have somebody that's had a house for 30 years, they're homesteaded. You have a young family, bought a house three years ago, their valuation is way higher. So they're paying a much higher amount in property taxes. You have to sell a house, maybe you get transferred from Miami to Tampa, you buy high tax basis and you're there. So we do have homestead protection. It does limit the increases, but even that it compounds 3% a year. So taxes is something that we're completely in control of. I can't control the price of housing. I mean we can do something to have a good market. You know, we have done big insurance reforms and we now have 17 new companies come in and our biggest insurer, Peninsula just did a rebate or just did a 8% reduction. And so we're, we're having no, no storms this year. So we think there'll be positive things there. But ultimately that's a private market. We control the tax. So here are some numbers. If you in the state of Florida gets no property tax revenue, I have a surplus, I have a maxed out rainy day fund. I don't get property tax revenue, I don't need it. So anyone that tells you all the.
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State'S going to have to raise that?
Governor Ron DeSantis
No, we, in fact I'm going to give money to some of these local governments that are more fiscally constrained to make up. So, so that's the first thing. It's all administered and decided by your local authorities and they get 100% of the revenue. If you go to Covid, you go right before COVID 2019 local governments in Florida brought in a total of $32 billion in property taxes. You know how much they're bringing in today six years later? $56 billion. Now listen, we have had inflation, we've had, had population growth, but it hadn't been that much. And so they're spending this money that this gusher of property tax revenue they're spending and we've been dojing the local governments. Blaze Angolia, our CFO is doing a fantastic job. You know, he's exposing hundreds of millions of dollars in Miami Dade, in Jacksonville and all these places that they're overspending. So that's just the first thing. We've had a huge increase in the size and scope of local governments because they're getting this. Now another fact, if you take all the property tax revenue, you have residential and business, the residential, the majority of it is non homesteaded Floridians. So second homes, Snowbirds, Airbnb rentals, you name it, that's the majority of residential property tax revenue. And then you have the corporate or the business tax revenue. So the total amount of residential Florida homestead property tax revenue is between 30 and 33% of all of this. Now, mind you, the budgets have gone up way more than 30% in the last few years. So our view is, well, let's. If you own your home and then you stop paying taxes in 20 years, the government takes it from you. So is that really home ownership? I think Florida, we're in a situation and we're still working on the particulars because the details do matter and we're going to have something very positive for all this. But we are in a unique position where so much of our tax base is comprised of people that aren't even full time residents. People that own these big luxury, you know, houses. Are they staying for three, three months? I'd rather them pay the tax than have, you know, a cop that's got a house worth $400,000 in Miami. So we have the luxury of being able to relieve our citizens of more and more burden of taxation.
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Governor Ron DeSantis
So that's the nature of it. Now you've mentioned there have been some stuff. All I can tell you is like having watched debates when you all of a sudden start seeing the same talking points sprouting up just like magically, you know that that's coordinated, right? That's an op. So there's some people out there who don't want to see this and it's being orchestrated, but none of the arguments really make sense against it. And a lot of these people, I think all of them don't even live in Florida. So we have a specific way we want to go for Floridians that'll make a difference. Another thing, Buck, just because there's a whole there, you got to think out what are the incentives and how this. So for example, I don't want to do a situation where it's going to incentivize people to flood into the state to claim a tax benefit from other states. So it's going to be structured in a way that, you know what you elected Mandami, you're not going to just be able to come down here and get, and get no homestead property tax like that. You know, you're going to have to be somebody that's been here for longer now. Any citizen who's here now, you're 100%. So there's all these different things that we're working on. We're working on it very smartly and I've got a lot of people that are working on it. But the goal is to have something on the ballot in November of 2026 where voters will be able to vote for it or not.
Buck Sexton
Well, I, you know where I stand on this one, and I've been talking about it for a while, and I think it's. It's really important. And one thing that I see is also a lot of people who would perhaps even want to move within this state. They don't want it. You know, if they want to get a little more space or whatever it may be, they're worried if they have to pay at the new rate on property. You know, property tax creates all these often, I think, problematic disincentives in the market. So that, that, that's an issue that people don't talk about enough. But the opposition to this, you know, I've, I've seen. So I know actually some of the people publicly who are very like, no, you have to. Someone has to pay the taxes. Is it just some philosophical, oh, we can't give away more to the boomers, or are there special interests who are aligned against this? Because, honestly, I think, and I'm sure, you know, this other states are looking to see how this goes here, and they might want to do some restructuring, too.
Governor Ron DeSantis
Yeah, well, first of all, I think it's both. I don't think it's. I don't think those are mutually exclusive. But, you know, there's this argument that somehow this is a, quote, giveaway to boomers. Now, first of all, Buck, I think you and I agree, if, if I reduce your taxes, I'm not giving you anything like, like, that's your property. You own it. It's not the government's. And so we go in this situation where, like, are you an AOC or view, where everything belongs to the government, and then government determines, you know, what you get to keep. No, my default is you own your home. You. You get your income. You get 100% of your income in Florida, because we don't have an income tax. Any tax we cut. You're just keeping more of what you already have had. You earned your home. You purchased that home. So philosophically, when they're talking about giveaway with respect to reducing taxes, to me, that's a leftist argument. Second, and you brought it up indirectly, elderly people. Now there are some elderly that are getting strapped with the taxes, too, because they're on fixed income. Their taxes don't go up as much because they're homesteaded, but it still compounds over many years. And so they're being in a situation where it's tough. But if you're in a typical residential community in Florida and You have somebody that's lived in a home for 30 years and then you have a young couple that bought a house, say in 2021, that young couple is going to have a much higher tax basis for property tax. They are going to pay way more in property tax than the elderly homeowner who's been grandfathered in on the homestead limitation for the last however many decades. So if you're doing a homestead exemption, the young family, they gain way more with respect to the total dollar amount that they're doing. So I think what it does is that when you have people out of state, they don't understand what, how Florida works. You know, they somehow think that like, you know, elderly person has a half million dollar home, young couple has a half million dollar home. Oh yeah, the elderly is getting as the same benefit that in reality that is just not the way it works because of people having, having owned their home. So, you know, I think that it's, it clearly is not being done with people that are actually in Florida want to do. But I do think some of it is special interest. But I do think some of it is ideological and I think it's more of a left bent.
Buck Sexton
Yeah, again, I totally agree with that one. And they are, this audience already knows that. So that's not anything new. I'm, I'm a little surprised to see some of the voices, quite honestly that are on the right who seem to be have a problem with this. I think it's bizarre. But anyway, I actually wanted to, if I could. You probably saw this Governor, tomorrow, Trump and Mamdani are meeting and I just think this is an opportunity for you to just in the broadest terms, we have a huge Florida audience, we have a huge New York audience. And obviously people all across the country are listening. You have more people in this state, right? 21 million and half the budget. Yeah, half the budget of New York. How is that possible? Like what is New York doing? How is it spending twice as much money with less people?
Governor Ron DeSantis
Well, not only that buck, New York City has 8 million people in New York City's budget is bigger than the entire state of Florida's budget. And we have close to 23 and a half million people. And that's before Mandami, you know, takes over the grocery stores and does things that's going to cost even more money. It's crazy what would happen. So I think a lot of it is, you know, they direct money to special interest. They have different people who are kind of part of their patronage network in Florida. You look what we spend money on. You know, obviously, you know, we have a federal state that does. That does Medicaid, as all states do. Well, we didn't expand it under Obamacare, but we do have that portion. Education. The state has a. Has a big role in helping to fund school districts as well as our school choice scholarship program, which is. Has a half a million students on it now. Infrastructure. I've been able to accelerate projects all around the state of Florida. So we're delivering some five or 10 years ahead of schedule, and that's meaningful for people in terms of their family time and not have to be in traffic so much.
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And I know there's other.
Governor Ron DeSantis
We got a lot of work and some other Miami stuffer because it's nice. Harder to build in different areas. But in other parts of the state, we've made really good progress, I think, on that. And then we've done the biggest conservation program and environmental restoration with Florida's Everglades, which is a huge success that we've done. We did a Florida Wildlife corridor because we don't want the whole state to be a concrete jungle. So we're spending money on things that really matter to people, but that's really what we spend it on. I think New York, it's all about kind of whoever's in the barnacles attached to the ship and all the different constituencies in the Democratic Party, they're doing it. And it's interesting. They'll say, oh, well, you know, they pay better pension benefits, you know, for their police officers and fire. Well, the thing is, a lot of those people move to Florida and spend those pensions in Florida. So it's like you're doing that and it's like benefiting our economy down here because you're driving these people away. But I really think, you know, in terms of. There's obviously a big difference between the president and Mandami. Mandami is going to do dumb things in terms of the economy. He's going to try to raise taxes. He's obviously going to be governed by a woke agenda, educational stuff for all that. But the number one thing that's going to drive people out of that city is that he hates the police. He wanted to abolish the nypd. He thinks he should send social workers to answer the 911 calls. So he goes down that road. It was bad under de Blasio. It didn't get much better under the current mayor, but I think he's going to make Bill de Blasio look like a right winger. I mean, it is going to be really scary.
Buck Sexton
I think that's the place. Unfortunately, having worked NYPD for a short while, Governor, I can tell you that's the place where the mayor, he is kind of the alpha and omega. Like he can make the determinations about what policing is like in the city. These other things, the economic things, probably can't. But Governor DeSantis of Florida, thank you, sir, for all you do. Please keep up the phenomenal work and come back and talk to us again soon about what you're up to.
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Okay? Roger that. Bye bye.
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Producer/Assistant
Hope you're doing well.
Buck Sexton
Yeah, man, things are great here. Let's, let's get right to it. This revelation that came out, it was a combination of reporting from Miranda Devine, Tucker Carlson on Thomas Crooks, the would be assassin of Donald Trump. Really the first of two would be assassins, but the one who actually got shots off and managed to shoot the president in the earth. There seems to be information that maybe the FBI had but didn't publicly release or first, let me ask you about that. What do you make of this? That there were some accounts online that we weren't told about that indicated at least at some level, Thomas Crooks had become a, you know, using trans pronouns, all this kind of stuff. What do you make of this? Did the FBI probably know and just not talk about it or did they miss it or what?
Producer/Assistant
Well, again, I've got a great deal of sympathy for Casp Patel, Dan Bongino, Pam Bondi. Going to these agencies, trying to root out the deep state actors that many are still burrowed in, unable to really hire the kind of staff they need because of the lawfare against good people like judge troops in Wisconsin and others. They're kind of reluctant to join the Trump administration during their career be destroyed. So I've got, I want to start there. I've got a great deal of sympathy. These guys come into office, they've got enormous messes they're trying to clean up, actually turn these agencies into what they're meant to be, crime fighting units for the standpoint of the FBI. But at the same time, I'll say I've been frustrated. We tried to undertake a bipartisan investigation and we did some work. But by and large, what we found out about Butler was pretty well gleaned by my investor staff in the first week, primarily talking to local law officials. I issued what I considered a friendly subpoena to the FBI to help prompt more documents, more information coming forward. Our liaison at the FBI actually thanked us for the subpoena. But the fact of the matter is we really have not gotten much. So we've had to go out and contact phone carriers and social media companies. We're starting to get information, we're piecing things together. There are things that are interesting that we need to kind of complete the investigation before we start publishing. But no, there's an awful lot unknown about Thomas Crooks that from my standpoint, we should have known quite some time ago.
Buck Sexton
Just so I'm clear on this, Senator, there's an awful lot that the public should know about that you think the FBI has and has not made public or there's more that the FBI maybe didn't find?
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It's probably both.
Buck Sexton
Both. Okay.
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Governor Ron DeSantis
Yeah.
Producer/Assistant
You know, again, we, yeah, I mean, I'm frustrated, but there's no doubt about it. But, but again, I don't want to be throwing pastel Dan Bonjean under the.
Buck Sexton
Bus because just so you know, Senator, we don't do that. You know, we know cash and and, and Dan here, they're friends of ours, I, from before they took these jobs. They took these jobs because they want to help and they want to reform. And they, you know, and we get a lot of heat for standing up for them here because some people have been very frustrated with them. Even a lot of Trump voters have been frustrated with the transparency issue. But I try to remind everybody these are enormous, unwieldy bureaucratic institutions that were really left rot from the inside under previous administrations. There's a lot of work to be done.
Producer/Assistant
There really is. So we're pursuing this. I'm pretty well undertaking the investigation now from the Senate standpoint, just through my firm's upcoming investigation. I kind of walked away from the bipartisan because it just slowed its way down. But again, all I can say is there's more information that will eventually come out and some that we have not yet discovered. So we're still doing investigation now.
Buck Sexton
On the transparency issue, obviously you were a yes vote for releasing the Epstein files because the Senate was unanimous in this. Right? One member of the House, everyone else voted for it. One member of the House says, look, I'm. His concern was that he thinks that there are people that will be tainted who didn't do anything wrong, but their name is just in some. Ok, so that was his. But everybody else voted to release this thing. Can you just tell us what, what your sense is of where the president has been on this one? I know you talked to President Trump. He is now in favor of it. But people keep asking, they say, well, why is he in favor of it now? Why has there been this delay and how do you see the release of the Epstein files from the beginning of this administration to present in terms of what's gone on here? Like, why has it been so. Stop. Start.
Producer/Assistant
Speaker really did a pretty good job laying out his concerns about, you know, information getting out in the public domain that really would be harmful to victims and is that going to be adequately protected in whatever gets released this time? Similar concerns. I think President Trump, as I would have similar concerns going. Is this evidence of these documents untainted? Let's face it, they were in the Biden, the midst of the Biden administration who. I mean, that administration doing everything, they could destroy Donald Trump during their four years. If there was something damaging to Trump, you would think that would have already been released. So I also take the president's word. I mean, he just, he doesn't. We have serious problems facing this nation. There are a lot of things he's addressing. Do we really need this distraction. Having said all that, I'm as curious as every other American about what happened, bringing people to justice who are pedophiles that, you know, engage this kind of abuse. So again, I, I'm as curious as anybody. We didn't take a vote, by the way. We just passed this by unanimous consent, I think, before the bill even got over here. So, yeah, the Senate didn't want to take much time on this. That was a fight in the House. People who fought for disclosure won, and now we'll see what we get.
Buck Sexton
Yeah, it's a rare, it's a rare moment where things just fly through in bipartisan fashion in the Congress. So now we're. Is it once the president signs this and everyone believes it's going to get signed imminently, 30 days for the release. Is that how this goes?
Producer/Assistant
That's what I hear. But again, they still probably need to do review and there will be some material with help. And they've. In the law, they've got, I think, four or five very specific reasons of things that can be withheld. But you know, really what this reflects is the public wanted to see this. And so as elected officials, when you, when you for a year are, that's the number one thing that people calling to your office is, you know, vote to release the Epstein files. You know, in the end, representative government actually works.
Buck Sexton
Yeah. Yeah. What do you have on the, on the agenda here? I know the Senate goes into recess, what, next week, sometime for Thanksgiving. What are you hoping can get done before the end of this year? Is there anything. Are you going to try to get some judges through? How's that going? What are you looking to get the Senate to finally push over the finish line here before we all head out for the holidays?
Producer/Assistant
Yeah. The Senate's always doing nominations. Now that we had to change rules because of the obnoxious obstruction of Democrats, we'll probably clear another 70 to 100 nominations of various types. We are working on health care, by the way. We always have. It's just galling to hear Republicans have no plans. We have all kinds of plans. It's how do we get it passed. Democrats are in a complete state of denial of the miserable failure that Obamacare has been. The reason people's premiums are increasing is because of the flawed design of Obamacare. So we are working very diligently on that. Rick Scott is heavily involved in this, probably as knowledgeable an individual on healthcare in America, if not the world. So we've got some good people here. I bought healthcare for 30 years. I'm pretty knowledgeable about as well. So we're gonna do this based on repairing the damage done by Obamacare, properly defining the problem, coming up with what are the principles. And President Trump tweeted the main principles. Rather than spend hundreds or spend hundreds of billions of dollars into these insurance companies, United Health stock price increased 1,177% since Obamacare. The slowest percent increase in stock price is 414%. So instead of filling the conference of insurance companies, why don't we give that money to the American people, turn them into consumers of health insurance and health care with things like HSA accounts. So no Republicans have solutions is how can we overcome the impediment that the structure of Obamacare is with the current filibuster, which, by the way, I've been very public reluctantly, but I completely agree with President Trump. It's time to end the filibuster. The Democrats will do it. We will look like schmucks in 2028 if they have all the levers of power and they do this and then do it to maintain their power as opposed to, we're going to do it to secure our elections, further secure our border, hopefully repair the damage done by Obamacare, transition to a system that works, you know, have a prosperous economy, make things more affordable. You know, we would, we would use ending the filibuster for the benefit of the American people, not our own personal power.
Buck Sexton
Speaking of Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Senator, I want to actually circle back, if I can, to the oversight of the FBI for a moment here because I know you're very up to speed on the Arctic Frost situation. Right. That was the FBI investigation run under the Biden administration about January 6th in the 2020 election. It looks like there were abuses there. What can you tell us about what we're learning about Arctic Frost and what's going to come next?
Producer/Assistant
Well, I think what has been revealed recently, this wasn't just a mere fishing expedition. This was a massive partisan dragnet really meant to cripple the Republican Party. Obviously, Trump was the main target. Yeah, we've got, you know, some members of Congress got some of our phone records scooped up. But what's maybe the most outrageous is just ordinary citizens, you know, all these affiliated Republican groups. But for example, in Wisconsin, 38 Wisconsinites, just God fearing, country loving, law enforcement supporting people were on the enemy's list. They are literally trying to destroy a person of unbelievable integrity. Judge Troopas, who just represented President Trump for two months after the election, there were serious problems in Wisconsin. They're criminalizing that behavior. They're attempting to, that's all Artif Cross is all about criminalizing what basically JFK did in Hawaii, at least alternate electors. It's just shameful. And I met with the Attorney General Pam Bondi and Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch this week and they are completely on board with exposure. And one of the things I point out is get us the communication records between Biden officials and Wisconsin officials on, for example, Judge Troopas. You know, let's see the coordination between the Biden administration, these outside groups, the Mary McCord's, the Marco Isis, you know, all these legal groups that the left has that are engaged in lawfare across the board and got again, not just against President Trump, but ordinary Americans. People just have to support the Republican Party and President Trump. They're trying to destroy all these people.
Buck Sexton
Senator Johnson, one more for you before we let you go. What is your favorite part of a traditional and I don't know how you guys do it up in Wisconsin, but a traditional American Thanksgiving feast, your favorite.
Producer/Assistant
Dish, I mean it's the turkey, it's the dressing, it's the gravy, it's the mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes and corn. That is my Thanksgiving dinner. I gotta have it all in the right portions. I start and portion it out and I end with the exact portions for that final bite. We just literally had Thanksgiving lunch. John's Bozeman provided it. So I had a pre Thanksgiving dinner. It was fabulous. I can't wait till Thursday and I wish all you and all your listeners a very happy Thanksgiving.
Buck Sexton
Same to you, Senator. Thanks so much. Have a great holiday. We'll talk to you soon.
Producer/Assistant
Take care.
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All right, so Caroline Levitt, the White House press secretary has been laying down the smackdown on various journos, leftists, libs, reporters and she's covered a range of topics. I want to get into some of them right now. This was interesting. I knew this was coming and we maybe at some point we'll be able to have Linda McMahon on. She's the Department of Ed Secretary. We've reached out a little busy see if we make that happen but looks like the Department of Education could be going bye bye or at least parts of it. Play Levitt on 20 cut 27 President.
Caroline Levitt
Trump took a significant step toward delivering on a core campaign promise to finally close the Department of Education. To shrink the bloated federal bureaucracy. The Department of Education just entered into new interagency agreements with four agencies. The Departments of Labor, Interior, Health and Human Services in state. These agencies will now ensure the delivery of legally required programs while also refocusing them to better serve students. This common sense action brings the Trump administration much closer to finally returning education where it belongs at the state and local level. Not in Washington D.C. the Democrats reckless 43 day government shutdown did manage to do one valuable thing. It proved that America does not need a federal, federal Department of Education.
Buck Sexton
So they are finding a way within the bureaucratic framework that currently exists to kind of dismantle the Department of Education. I think that is the plan here. And that's a good thing. That's a good thing. There does not need to be, there should not be a federal Department of Education. There's no reason for this. So several of its main offices as she laid out here, are going to be moved into other places, Labor, Interior. So this won't affect the money that Congress gives state schools and colleges. So but why do we need a huge bureaucratic department as a pass through for money that goes to state education program? You start to think about this, you go hold on a second. We have a whole, a whole agency in the Department of Education, whole department that seems to exist to be the pass through, the middleman for federal funds that go into. Why don't we just, if we're going to give federal money to education, give money to states that are actually educating kids and running colleges and you know, universities. So I think I'm all in favor of this. Education Secretary Linda McMahon has started a public campaign for the end of her department. Yes, yes, that's what you like to see. The person running it saying this should not even be a job. This should go away. But there's been, you know, the Department of Education has really just been a progressive policy arm under the guise of education. But it's part of a, part of a really a lib deep state operation for a long time because Department of Ed is so left wing. It doesn't really matter what administration is in charge, Republican or Democrat. The Department of Ed just pushes for policies that are left wing because that's who works there. It's a bit like the Department of or the Environmental Protection Agency. EPA is full of left wing climate change loons. And so it doesn't matter if you have a Republican administration, you have ideologues in an agency who are pushing an agenda and doing so against the wishes of the Republican in the White House. So you got to clean things up. You got to deal with the mess. Yeah, I think this is great. You ask people, what is the. It's always so fun too. I go, okay, I go into Grok, as you know, I like Grok a lot. What does the department, Department of Education do? And let's just see what it says and I'll read this to you. A cabinet level federal agency created in 1980. Its main job is to oversee and support education, but it does not run public schools. It distributes federal funding, enforces federal education laws and collects research and administers student financial aid. So it's a pass through for a lot of federal dollars. And it also, in terms of the civil rights stuff with education, that's just pure, you know, DEI obsessed left wing policy stuff. There's no actual need for any, no actual need for any of this. And think about this. How, how serious could the Department of Education be about civil rights when they have been unwilling to stop the madness of the gender identity disorder stuff going on in all these schools where they have men pretending to be women. How can you say you're enforcing Title 9 when a guy can, can say he's a girl and play on women's sports? So the Department of Education gotta go. Hope it goes. They're moving in that direction. Democrats are gonna fight because the Democrats, they get to have policy through agencies and departments even when they lose elections. And that's one of the incredibly important revelations of the Trump era, is that if you don't actually deal with this, even when we win elections as Republicans, you end up still with a lot of Democrat administration or Democrat policy pushed from these places. Now, she also spoke, Caroline Levitt also spoke about Zoran Mamdadi meeting with Trump tomorrow. This is cut 28. Let's hear.
Caroline Levitt
Speaks volumes that tomorrow we have a communist coming to the White House because that's who the Democrat Party elected as the mayor of the largest city in the country. I think it's very telling. But I also think it speaks to the fact that President Trump is willing to meet with anyone and talk to anyone and to try to do what's right on behalf of the American people, whether they live in blue states or red states or blue cities in a city that's becoming much more left than I think this president ever anticipated in his many years of living in New York himself.
Buck Sexton
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Caroline Levitt
The President and the Vice President, for that matter, have accused the other side of encouraging political violence. Isn't that exactly what the President is doing when he says that members of.
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Caroline Levitt
Why aren't you talking about what these members of Congress are doing to encourage and incite violence? They are literally saying to 1.3 million active duty service members not to defy the chain of command, not to follow lawful orders. Every single refuse an illegal order, which they are. But they're suggesting. They're suggesting, Nancy, that the President has given illegal orders, which he has not. Every single order that is given to this United States military by this commander in chief and through this command. Chain of command through the Secretary of War is lawful. And the courts have proven that this administration has an unparalleled record at the Supreme Court because we are following the laws. We don't defy court orders. We do things by the books. And to, to suggest and encourage that active duty service members defy the chain of command is a very dangerous thing for sitting members of Congress to do. And they should be held accountable. And that's what the President wants to see.
Buck Sexton
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On this episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Buck Sexton leads a solo broadcast, diving into major political headlines and current events with his trademark blend of sharp criticism, humor, and insight. Key topics include the looming meeting between former President Trump and newly elected New York City mayor Zoran Mamdani, the pitfalls of rent control policies, major tax reform proposals in Florida with Governor Ron DeSantis, ongoing transparency issues in the FBI and government, and breaking news about the potential dismantling of the Department of Education. Frequent guests, including Governor Ron DeSantis and Senator Ron Johnson, provide detailed commentary. The tone of the conversation is both combative toward progressive policies and encouraging toward conservative reforms.
Zoran Mamdani, New NYC Mayor: Buck discusses the upcoming White House meeting between Trump and Mayor Mamdani, nicknamed "Commie Mom Donnie," and frames it as emblematic of progressive mismanagement and failed policy, arguing Mamdani represents far-left, redistributive ideology.
Rent Freeze Critique:
Artificial Housing Constraints:
Political Accountability:
“My problem with Mamdani, my Momdani-ism is he has no response ... other than to grin and tell people, we're going to make it better for you. What I just explained is the reality that there are artificial constraints on housing that make the existing housing more expensive. And instead of dealing with those constraints and letting the market [work]... he's going to punish the people you actually need to incentivize.”
— Buck Sexton, (12:41)
Proposal to Eliminate Florida’s Homestead Property Tax:
Local Government Growth and Spending:
Opposition to Reform:
Comparison to NYC:
Criminal Justice Concerns:
"If I reduce your taxes, I'm not giving you anything. That's your property. You own it. It's not the government's."
— Gov. Ron DeSantis (28:23)
"Mandami is going to do dumb things in terms of the economy. He's going to try to raise taxes. He's obviously going to be governed by a woke agenda... but the number one thing that's going to drive people out of that city is that he hates the police."
— Gov. Ron DeSantis (32:48)
Thomas Crooks/FBI Investigation:
Releasing the Epstein Files:
Healthcare Policy and Filibuster:
FBI "Arctic Frost" Investigation:
Press Secretary Caroline Levitt’s Announcement:
Buck’s Commentary:
Caroline Levitt frames Mamdani as a “communist coming to the White House,” decrying the normalization of hard-left ideology:
Buck expands on the historical roots of the American far-left merging with the Democratic Party; portrays current trends as more than “democratic socialism.”
On rent control and housing policy:
“Whenever the government has done something, you're like, well, that's a dumb idea. What happens later when everyone realizes it's a dumb idea? ... they generally want to do another dumb thing to fix the dumb thing they should not have done in the first place.”
— Buck Sexton (09:13)
On left-wing government in New York
“New York has more billionaires than anywhere else in the country and more extreme high earners... If you had a flight of just even half of that 1%, the whole city… just can’t function.”
— Buck Sexton (11:41)
On the Department of Education:
“Education Secretary Linda McMahon has started a public campaign for the end of her department. Yes, yes, that's what you like to see. The person running it saying this should not even be a job. This should go away.”
— Buck Sexton (56:18)
Thanksgiving Moment
True to Clay and Buck's style, the discussion is irreverent, combative toward progressive leaders, supportive of small government and market-based reforms, and peppered with humor and pointed analogies. Policy critique is combined with cultural pushback, with Buck’s commentary alternating between detailed policy analysis and zingers about “commie” politicians and left-wing bureaucracies.
This episode focuses on big-picture debates about government overreach, the inefficiency of left-leaning policy solutions, and the need for transparency in government. Expert guests provide inside perspectives on developments in Florida's tax policy and federal investigations. The conversation is engaging and informative, providing a clear conservative perspective on current political battles, with the humor and cultural commentary regular listeners expect.