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And then next week the dynamic duo will be back in full effect for just a few days before Turkey Day Thanksgiving comes. I love Thanksgiving. It's, it's a great holiday. I think it's my number two. I'm a number one is Christmas for me. But I think Thanksgiving goes in my number two slot as a Roman Catholic. I think I'm supposed to say Easter is my number one. But I'm not talking about these spirits, spiritual significance necessarily of the holiday. I'm just talking about fun. And Thanksgiving is a, is a fun one. I still am yet to get any explanation as to why we don't eat stuffing the rest of the year. When was the last time that was not during the Thanksgiving era that you were in a restaurant and they had stuffing as an option? I'm sure it happens in some places, but I, I have not seen it. I don't think I've ever seen it actually. Stuffing is an option. I feel like why not just put it into sandwiches and wraps and things. It could be delicious. Anyway, obviously I'm a little hungry. We have much to discuss. You have Trump meeting with Mom Donnie. Mom Donnie. It's a bit of a tongue twister sometimes. Mom Donnie at the White House today. 3 Eastern is when the meeting set for. So will, will happen right when we finish. We will bring you what we hear from it. It's not open to the press. I think that's a bit of a miss. It would be really interesting to see how these two interact with the cameras on. I know how it's going to go. Trump is Trump. He's always, he's always charming and funny. You know, he'll, he'll make some comments. He'll, he'll give him a, he'll rib him a little bit. Uh, Mom, Momdani. You gotta remember for all of his idiotic and self defeating policies, Mamdani is a guy who also knows how to grip and grin and make people feel like he gives a damn about them. So that's going to be interesting. But it's going to happen, right? So I can't bring it to you live here. I was hoping it would happen while we were on the air. And so we could either go right to it live or we could bring you some of the cuts. But it's actually going to be right after we finish. But Monday when Clay's back, we will certainly dive into that with all of you. But even the run up to this meeting, should we say the socialism summit, is getting quite a bit of attention. And I think that you have a Democrat party that's still trying to figure out the best way to message all of this. There's, there's a lot going on. More Democrats are socialist and I'm talking about elected Democrats now, but more Democrats are socialist in their hearts than will ever say so out loud. The Democrat Party is in so many ways indistinguishable from a democratic socialist party, say in Europe. I don't even know if you could find any really distinguishing characteristics. They want a lot more taxation, a lot more government control. They want single payer health care. They really just want the government to be making all decisions everywhere for everyone. They want to focus on equality of everybody as the primary goal of what a government does. So if that means you have to bring some people down and you have to lift a whole, a lot of other people up, that's what they want to do. As we know, that doesn't actually work. It's always a failure. People will say, oh, but what about northern European countries? They'll bring up Sweden or they'll bring up Denmark. Those are countries that are actually very economically private sector driven, believe it or not. And what they have is a large, they have a high tax base or high tax level for everyone, including the middle class. Everybody pays high taxes in Sweden. This is what they don't tell you. It's not just the rich, Everybody. You make 50, you make the equivalent of 50 to $100,000 a year in Sweden or whatever. Their average household income would be less than that. But if you're, if you're a middle income earner in Sweden, you pay high, pretty high taxes and then they have a large welfare state and state services. But they don't actually have endless amounts of government control of all aspects of the, of the economy. It's not truly socialist. So that's one. Sweden used to be more socialist than it was an economic basket case and then it changed its policies. I think it was in the 70s to privatize and make it more market based. And it became much better as a country. Now they've gone with the whole open borders thing and DEI and multiculturalism. And those countries are probably in a pretty rapid descent into disintegrating as cohesive political entities as a result. But I digress. The House of Representatives voted, this just happened this morning, 250, I'm sorry, 285 to 98, to approve a resolution condemning the horrors of socialism. This is just before Trump is set to meet New York's incoming Democrat, socialist mayor Zoran Mamdani. 86 Democrats joined with Republicans. No Republican voted to oppose it. Speaker Mike Johnson. House GOP leaders have been very critical of this. The mayor. Remember New York City is interesting if you read. There's a very dense but good but dense. It's a project to read it, a history of New York called Gotham. And it, it lays out over its many, many. I think it's like a thousand pages. I've got a copy of it here. It lays out that New York is interesting as a city because it really was, it wasn't founded as a, like a colony of a certain religion that was trying to escape persecution in Europe. It did, you know, you look at some of these stories of places like Massachusetts and Pennsylvania and some of the early cities and Plymouth Rock and all of this and there's a, there's a narrative that tends to play out different Christian sects, but similarities. New York was really founded in a sense as just a mercantile and commercial hub. It's a city driven by capitalism, a city driven by commerce, a city driven by money. And for, and it's America's largest city by a large margin. And for that city to have elected a socialist, an open socialist. There is something here it's different than Bernie Sanders. I mean, let's be. Vermont is a quaint place. I actually think Vermont's very beautiful. I'm very fond of it as a geography, but it's very left wing Democrat, as you know. Vermont has. What's the population of Vermont? It's in the hundreds of thousands. I don't even think it has a million people. It's like 800,000 or 600,000 or something. You tell me. I don't know, maybe it's a million, maybe it's a million total. But that's a very different thing. That's. You got your pretty mountains and you got your ice cream and your, you know, your maple syrup candy. And if Bernie Sanders, a New York, Brooklyn guy who moved There. That's why he has the funny accent. They don't talk like this up in the Green Mountains of Vermont. That's not how they sound. I mean, honestly, very few people from Brooklyn sound like that either. But that's. Bernie kind of has a version of a Brooklyn accent. But it's a very different thing when a small state that the population of. Yeah, 600,000, 650,000. I was. I was basically spot on. Who needs ChatGPT when you have Buck GPT? This is a very different thing when the capital of commerce for the whole world, really, which is New York City, goes socialist. So I think a lot of people are looking at this and saying that the. The optics of it, the way it looks, the way it seems, is a different thing or even a more powerful thing than whether Mamdani is going to be able to implement some of the socialist policies that he wants to. And I think there's certainly an open, open question about that. I think it's unlikely, in fact, that he will be able to do so. I think it's very unlikely that he will be able to do free buses, for example. And one thing that's a little bit, well, funny, a little sad, but also funny, the buses for a lot of people are already free because they just get on and don't pay. Just like the subway. The losses that the New York City subway is currently taking from people. Turnstile jumping. Every time I'm in New York and I go take the subway, which, I will be honest with you, is rare. I used to be on the subway every single day, years and years and years. Subway every single day, multiple times a day. But I have been back a couple times and you see people just jumping the turnstile like it's no big deal. Middle of the day, people everywhere, no one cares. Turnstile jumping. If you actually add it up, it's. It's a large sum of money that the city of New York is losing to turnstile jumpers. And I'm going to say this. No one is struggling with rent because of the price of riding the subway. No one is actually having financial difficulty because of that. There's other things, but it's not because they didn't jump the turnstile because they needed to. It's a bit like when AOC was telling everybody that those who are robbing from CVS and Duane Reade and these drugstore chains in New York, maybe they were hungry and needed to feed themselves. No, there's plenty of food banks. You can get food. They're not stealing Food, they're stealing. And I know because my whole drugstore was locked down because of this. They're stealing razor blade cartridges, they're stealing expensive, you know, skin care things or anything that they can go and easily sell on ebay or on the Internet or even just on the street. That's what they want. They're stealing as a form of making money illegally. They're not stealing because they're starving to death. So you look at the way Mamdani approaches things like, you know, how he's going to help people with cost of living and he's just wrong on everything. He's wrong across the board. It's not going to help. In fact, it will make things worse. And I do think it's interesting because Trump can say that he met with this guy and there's going to be, you know, it's, they're going to come out of this. They both play to the cameras. Trump is a master, as you all know. Trump is incredible at how to craft that media narrative. Mamdani, that's really his skill set, too. He's not good. He's never run a company, he's never been a builder. But he's good at that as well in his own way. So they will come out from this meeting today and they will be both setting up, I think, what their expectations are for the city of New York, and we'll see who ends up being more, more correct on this one. And we're going to watch this closely because now this has been put in motion where it's something that will be discussed as a preview and leading up to, I think might even grow as a conversation about the midterms, who's going to be running your state in the Senate, who's going to be representing your district in Congress, the midterms and the direction of the country as well. The Democrats are going to try very hard to reestablish their connection because they've really lost it. They got all, they got too crazy with the DEI and the trans kid stuff and all this. The Democrats are going to try to go back to being a class warfare party that cares about the working class because otherwise they can't win these elections at the national level. Otherwise they're going to be boxed out by MAGA and Trumpism. So this is going to be a central fight. The cost of the things you need day to day affordability. I really think, I know we're a year out, but it's going to be the afford. Unless, you know, who knows, crazy things can happen. Right. But it's set up to be the affordability election and who has better ideas and who's been doing more than to try to bring down prices. So that's what I see. That's my sense, my preview of this Mamdani meeting. And we'll get. Well, we'll talk more about this and like I said, on Monday, we'll have the full, the full readout of it. I can guarantee you this Trump is going to have at least one hilarious line about meeting this guy. Probably a few, but at least one really, really funny line. All right, today, among all the news that's capturing our attention, we're talking about here on the show. There's still a critical struggle going on that's often outside the headlines. And it's happening in the minds of thousands and thousands of women across the country who are dealing with an unplanned pregnancy. They've got few options. At least they think that's true. 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Our public transportation system, we want people to feel safe as they ride. And so many working people rely on our public transportation system across the city. And that's why I'm doing my part to ensure that these investments are getting right to the people. Investments are getting. He's talking about investments. A woman was lit on fire and he's talking about making sure that we're redistributing the wealth to, you know, communities in need or whatever. This guy's an. He is truly an idiot and dangerous. Dangerous. And people in Chicago who voted for him should be ashamed of how dumb they were in casting a vote for him. They really, they should. They should think about how lacking in wisdom they are, how lacking they are in political judgment. Does he sound upset about this at all to you? Does he sound like he is trying to be a leader who emotes on behalf of the horrified Chicagoans and Americans who think about what it would be like if that was their wife, daughter, sister, friend, colleague? No. But you know what? I'm sure, I'm sure he would be able to muster tremendous outrage if Maybe we could get some early reports of some career felon who was, you know, shot by police. Assuming the career felon's black and assuming the cops are not. If we could get him to weigh in on. On an incident like that, where there's an early report that, oh, my gosh, there was excessive force, oh, he'd be pounding the table. He would be outraged. It's not outraged at all. Sounds very calm. Talking about a woman in his city being lit on fire, almost died by burning to death. And reportedly the people around her didn't render any aid. She managed to eventually get aid. People helped douse the flames, and then first responders showed up. Now, the leadership of Chicago is abysmal. As you know, there is no real leadership. And the race politics of Chicago when it comes to crimes like this one are very apparent, which is, you know, imagine this. Anytime there's anything that the BLM left wants to get upset about, imagine if we just said isolated incident every time. You know what's interesting, though? They are isolated incidents that BLM talks about, but if you just dismissed it as an isolated incident, they would. The left would lose their minds. They would. They'd burn things. Well, they'd burn things down anyway. And you'd have Kamala and Pelosi and Schumer and all of them. Oh, my gosh. Oh. This is why we have to come to grips with the racism in this country. Meanwhile, we have another absolutely heinous incident of a black man, a career criminal. We're about to get into that. Who did something completely horrific, unprovoked, out of nowhere to a white woman who was on mass transit. Just like what happened to Irena. Remember, that happened the same week, if my memory is correct, as the Charlie Kirk assassination. So that fell. Fell away. But was it in North Carolina? Right. North Carolina, on the. See. See how quickly these events come and go? She was stabbed so viciously in the neck. And she looks around and she's completely terrified and distraught and alone because some maniac stabs her in the neck. And we all sit here and say, if it were a black woman who was on that train stabbed in the neck, or if it were a black woman who was on the L train and was lit on fire and it was by a white guy who was a career criminal, we would be. Honestly, we'd be worried about entire neighborhoods of cities burning down, as we know. But that's not the demographic truth of what happened in these situations. And so there's. There's just. Oh, it's just Another, you know, isolated incident, random thing, happenstance, it just sort of happened. Well, could it have been prevented? The answer is yes, it should have been prevented. Not could have. It should have been prevented. And to that I bring you this New York Times. Here's how the New York Times writes about this man just man. Again, if it were a white man who did this to a black woman, it would be the biggest story in the country by far. We would have marches in the street. But irrespective, it could just be a lunatic, right? It could just be. And maybe that's the case here. But if we're just dealing with somebody who's like a drug addict, paranoid, schizophrenic, New York Times biggest part of it would be a white on black crime. That would make it a really big story. But because it's a black guy who did this to a white woman, they do not have any interest. Man just man charged with terrorism. After woman again, no description, no descriptor there. Set on fire on Chicago train. Chicago's facing federal terrorism charges. Lawrence Reed facing one count of committing attack. I go through this and it gives you a blow by blow of this horrific incident. This woman's fighting for her life in the hospital. I mean there's almost. Some of. You know this because you've worked in hospitals, you have medical training or you served in the, in the military and you saw what severe burns can do to people. It's really nothing more, nothing more painful on the planet than severe burns. Truly nothing more painful. So what she's going through is agonizing beyond words and beyond really our most horrific reckonings. It's disgusting beyond words. It's horrible that she's being put through this. But you know what they don't mention in this entire New York Times piece? This is like, I don't know, maybe it's 500 words on what happened. This was the main piece that comes to the New York Times, that this guy who, the black man named Reed Lawrence, who lit this woman on fire for absolutely no reason, just, there's a white woman, I'm going to go light her on fire. That is what happened. And he said the B word. Apparently that's reported as well. He had been arrested 70 times. 7, 0. 70 times. Do you think that maybe the system in Chicago after the 10th arrest might have said, this guy has got a problem, he's a danger of the public. Do you think, do you think, okay, oh no, that's too harsh. Do you think after the, the, the 20th arrest we could Decide that this guy's not actually about to found the next Google. He's not actually working on his dissertation. He. He's not a family man who's just trying to make ends meet. No, May. Okay, what about the 50th arrest? 5, 0. The 50th arrest. You think that the prosecutor in that case and the judge might have said to themselves, you know, I think we have a problem. We may have a public safety threat here. He's been arrested 50 times. But no, they had to wait until the 70th. The 70th arrest. He has a violent criminal history. Let me add that to Violent criminal history of assaulting women. So it was on the seven. You know, 70th time's a charm, apparently, where they're actually going to do something they're actually going to take seriously now. Oh, we're throwing federal, federal terrorism charges. What, so they can, they can, they can pretend like they didn't miss the ball on this entirely the whole time. You can be arrested 70 times in America and still be out on the street. Think about that for a moment. Mayor Brandon Johnson of Chicago was not outraged about that. No, no, no. Now far more outraged about Donald Trump trying to bring in National Guard to prevent things like this from happening, to help people feel safer on the streets. But we all know where this comes from. We all understand this mentality. The Democrats decided that there are too many men of color who are in prison, and so the policy had to change. And they couldn't get away with changing the laws that have disproportionate impact on communities of color. Like, you can't, you know, murder, steal, light people on fire. You know, there's a disproportionate impact that exists from these criminal laws. So what do they do? They say, well, let's, let's just stop locking people up for it. We'll arrest them. But let's, you know, the prisons are too crowded. We need to let more people out and can't lock anybody up for being completely criminally insane, either. We can't take them off the streets. We have to wait. They can do a lot of crazy things and break a lot of laws, but we have to wait until they do something as heinous as any of us could ever imagine a human being doing. Lighting. Think about lighting innocent person on fire. And this is also, you know, your case like this. And I'm like, this is. Oh, people say, buck, how could you? You're Catholic. Whatever. No, this is why I say, I think we do have to have a death penalty in this country. And I think we have to use it a lot more. A lot more. The criminals are not getting the message. It's not getting through. They're not first timers who made a mistake. Oh, but you know, Mayor Brandon, oh, there's a Chicago subway is say, oh, he's going to have, you know, 600 something murders in his city this year. But, oh, the L train is safe. It's appalling. Appalling how these leftist ideologues with their view of crime. And I worry, you know, I'm already thinking about how this could translate to Mamdani in New York. Is he going to be like Brandon Johnson? I think it's very possible. He certainly sounds like he will. We don't know yet. But their ideology results in horrible things happening to people. It's because they refuse to hold individuals accountable in large part because of their view of racial justice in this country. And they will not hold people accountable. And people die and people get lit on fire and they don't stop it, they don't change. That's the price of doing business in their cities the way they want to. So as Trump is meeting with Mamdani today, keep this in mind. This stuff has consequences for real people. It has consequences for everybody in Chicago who's got to sit there and think that. But just like everybody on the, on the light rail in, in Charlotte after what happened to Irena. Oh, don't worry, you're safe. That's an isolated incident, really. I was in Taiwan. How many people do you think have been lit on fire on the subway of in Taiwan this past year? Or stabbed in the neck or punched in the face or thrown in front of None. Huh? It's weird. You mean we don't have to live in a society where criminals get coddled and are treated like it's not their fault? Enough is enough. All right? This stuff gets me fired up because I've lived in cities where this madness happens and I'm sick of it. And it's horrible what happens to these victims. It's not kind to be kind to those who are violating people and doing terrible things. All right, next week is Thanksgiving. All right. All right, next week is Thanksgiving. I hope you're able to be with friends and family. It's going to be a beautiful week. And there are so many great memories that are made. But a lot of you probably have old Thanksgivings on VHS on and photographs. Betamax perhaps, you know, like, well, I can't really enjoy those anymore. Because how could I even watch them? It's where my friends at Legacy Box come in. Their sole business is to digitally transfer your old memories on recorded on any number of devices. They digitize those tapes and films and photos and put them onto a digital file that exists on the cloud or a thumb drive. It's a great Christmas gift, this digitizing process. I've done it. Clay's done it. If you haven't done it yet, this is your year. Get it set up. Right now. You've got a fantastic deal to. You can get VHS, VHSC, video cassettes, high eight film reels, and over 12 other types of analog media. $9 per item. Just $9 per item. Okay. About 66% off the regular price. So now's the time to do it. It's a great time of year to get going with Legacy box. Go to legacybox.com buck for early access to our best deal of the year. Legacybox.com Buck Legacybox.com Buck Geek out with the guys on the Sunday hang with Clay and Buck podcast, a new episode every Sunday. Find it on the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts. We have much to discuss. So, as we remember from a couple days ago, the Democrats just looking to mess around and find out with Trump, I guess they put out this video and I'm just going to say we could have just done a whole segment or two right away with how many of you in the military or current or former military, how many veterans listening were so ticked off about this? Mark Kelly, Elissa Slotkin, who again, I could say it because I was in CIA too. I mean, you know, it's a very different thing serving in the agency and serving the military. But anyway, she was part of this video. I guess it's because they're including the intelligence community in the illegal orders. So, yeah, they, they put out this video. It's like, you don't have to do war crimes. That's basically what they were saying, right? You don't have to do terrible things if you're ordered to do so. To which everyone on the sane side of things immediately was saying, yeah, no, they know that. They know that. Wouldn't it be really off putting if you sat down at Thanksgiving, at Thanksgiving dinner and one of your relatives, you know, your, your great Uncle Mort sat down with you and was like, you know, you don't have to murder anybody. You'd say, uncle Mort, we got it, we got it. Don't, don't worry. Okay, thank you for that. But imagine if you kind of kept yelling it at you. You'd be like, uncle Mort needs a nap. Like something's wrong with this guy. We did not need to hear from these individuals and we did not need the lecture. Now, Trump responded to this. Trump's response to the unlawful orders was. It was very, very Trumpy. And he said, I'm trying to give you the exact verbiage here. I remember what it was. President Trump called a group of Democrats traitors on Thursday and suggested that they should be locked up. And then this is the part I'm reading from this and punished with death. Here we go. Okay, here's the, here's the Truth Social post is what I'm trying to find. Now I'm quoting from Trump, not some description of it. This is really bad and dangerous to our country. Their words cannot be allowed to stand. Seditious behavior from traitors. Lock them up. Question mark. Trump posted on Truth Social. He later posted a message that said, seditious behavior punishable by death. Now, as a matter of course, you can actually be. Under our federal laws, you can be executed for treason. I don't know if you can be executed for sedition, for sedition or seditious conspiracy. Guys. I'd have to check. I'm not a lawyer and this is federal statute stuff and these are federal statutes. But for treason, certainly you can be. And there have been people. Didn't we, we, we. Well, we executed the Rosenbergs, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg for their nuclear espionage. And there have been some others, I don't think. No, we didn't execute Hanson for his betrayal. Anyway, people have been executed for some version of betraying the country. Treason. You know, it is possible in the extreme circumstances. The president also reposted several messages on the social media platform from users attacking the lawmakers in the video, including one user who wrote hang them. George Washington would. In response to Trump's post, Democrat lawmakers issued a joint statement calling Trump's reaction telling, okay, so now we get to have. They picked this fight over the video. They're not going to be prosecuted for this. Trump knows that, everybody knows that. But he's ticked off and he let it fly a little bit and nothing's going to happen to them of a legal kind. I think what they did is disgraceful. I think that now, okay, if somebody was hitting me Buck, but that's. We should, we should try to bring some kind of a charge. Technically, all they said is what the law says. So there is no charge that you can bring against them. Their intent, though the intention of the video is to undermine the commander in chief, undermine the chain of command, undermine the American people's trust and faith in this military. Under the Trump administration, we're very clear on what the intent is. But they're operating in this gray area where you can, you, you can say you do not have to, you know, you do not have to obey an unlawful order. Now, to be clear, nothing Trump said, and I think this is where he's being very Trumpy about this, nothing Trump said violates the law either. He just said seditious behavior punishable by death. That is a statement of fact. Seditious behavior can be punishable by death. So they respond with fact, or rather they, they start with facts that are intended to have a certain response. Trump responds with a fact, which is that you can in fact be executed for treason, which is meant to be a brush back pitch at these annoying Democrats. Now they are doing what they do, running with this, oh, all kinds of hysteria. Do you get, do you? I, sometimes I feel like you should hear it just so you've heard it. But with Chuck Schumer, do I want to put you through this? You know what, we can. Chuck Schumer, he's, he's, he's having another moment. He's all upset. This is Cut one, play it. Donald Trump shared a post on Truth Social calling for Democratic members of Congress to be hanged.
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He also posted a message that said.
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Seditious behavior punishable by death. Let's be crystal clear. The President of the United States is calling for the execution of elected officials. This is an outright threat and it's deadly serious. We have already seen what happens when Donald Trump tells his followers that his political opponents are enemies of the state. Every time Donald Trump posts things like this, he makes political violence more likely. None of us should tolerate this kind of behavior. We all remember what January six was like. When Donald Trump uses the language of execution and treason, some of his supporters may very well listen now. Now we are being told that the risk of political violence because of right wing rhetoric. A left wing maniac assassinated Charlie Kirk. A left wing maniac almost assassinated President Trump. A left wing maniac. He shot President Trump. A left wing maniac shot and almost assassinated Steve Scalise and about a dozen other Republican members of Congress back in 2018 on that Alexandria baseball field. Another random maniac of the left. Big, you know, Slava Ukraine guy tried to kill Trump at his golf course. As we know, you go down this list, conservatives can't show up at college. Show me one time a Left wing speaker has shown up at campus and it was conservative, like the college Republicans were throwing rocks and threats and doing crazy things to stop. It doesn't happen. The political rhetoric is not equivalent on both sides and the political violence is not equivalent on both sides. And efforts to pretend otherwise are simply dishonest. That's where, that's where we just have to come down on this one. It's very clear. Senator Mark Kelly, who was in this video here, he is trying to explain himself. Why was he a part of it? But this guy's just, I've always been, you know, this is this thing where, yes, of course, we respect the choice to make for people to serve, but the people that use their service as this shield of. No one's allowed to criticize me. Do you, do you know that I've served well? We're criticizing you in your role as United States Senator. We're not. You know, this is where you see this with Democrats. I'm just gonna say it. You see this with Democrats. They'll find the rare Democrat who actually took some risks to their own safety in military service, get them to run. And then anyone who criticized, like, do you realize that I served? Yeah, we know, we know. Here is Senator mark Kelly. Cut four, play it. He has talked about sending troops into more U.S. cities. He's talked about invoking the Insurrection Act. You don't have to go too far back to his first administration where in 2020, he went to his Secretary of defense and he asked the question, he said, can't we just shoot these protesters in the legs? That is an example of an illegal order. If it was given. He didn't give the order, but it's obviously rattling around in his head. He's got these ideas and these are dangerous ideas. What he said today, again, was a dangerous idea. And yet where does the violence come from? Democrats, somehow the dangerous ideas of Trump's, they call him a Nazi all the time. They say that fascism has descended upon America. They claim that we are Nazis. So then violence against us is justified. That could not otherwise. Why not say we're Stalinists? Why not say we're Maoists? Well, actually, because they like Stalinists and Maoists, because that's ideologically where they come from. But, you know, there are other terrible people out there in history. But Nazis, we all know the Nazis. You know, we, we firebombed their cities. We unleashed devastation on them. And it was deserved that. War is hell. They started it, they wanted it, they got it. But we were allowed to kill Nazis and it was a moral, a moral act to fight against the Nazis with violence. And therefore by calling us Nazis, they're just convincing themselves that one, they're always morally in a superior position to us, no matter what the issue, no matter what they've done, which is of course a lie, but that's what they do. And two, if some of their more radical elements decide to engage in violence, including assassinations of top conservatives, including the would be assassination of the President of the United States, well, by their own logic, aren't they stopping a fascist? Aren't they stopping the rise of Hitler? Aren't they stopping Nazism? This is, this is the very dangerous way that they engage day in and day out in political discourse in this country. And now they're going to lecture us because Trump didn't like this video. Please. It's not happening. It's just not. It just, they don't even, they don't even make us budge on it with this stuff. Oh, Mark Kelly, give me a break. And the others who are in the video too, it's amazing to me to see the people that the Democrats put forward as their version of like the Manliest Men or the ones that, no, something's off. There's always something off because, you know, you really can't be somebody that men that, you can't be a man that other men hold in high, regardless, in terms of your, you know, the way that guys look at each other. If you're also going to be like, you know, I really do think we need to be transing those 12 year olds. I really think we need to give them the hormones and everything. No, no, normal guys, normal dudes, they, they see that, they go, I don't care what plane you flew or where you flew it or what you were doing. That's weird. And you're being a weirdo and you won't stand up to this. So you're, you know, you're Mark Kelly. You know, you care so much about the Republic. You're. By the way, he's bitter because they, they talked about him as the Kamala vp. As you remember, when Kamala was going to be the nominee, when Kamala was the nominee, Mark Kelly was right right up there. So he's going to run. I think he's going to be in that, in that pool of people. But he's not a likable guy. He's all, it's all resume with that guy. He doesn't come across as anybody. He's not inspirational. He's kind of surly. And he, I mean, he has no national political future, but I think that's why he's kind of, kind of hissy about things. All right, the first time someone shared this fact with me, it was kind of hard to believe, but when you dig in the details, it's true. Across our country, a burglary happens every 30 seconds. Every 30 seconds on average. 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Hey, I'm Clay Travis. And I'm Buck Sexton. You know what we're thankful for this year, all of you? That's right. We have the best radio audience in the country, hands down. Sending a big warm and happy Thanksgiving. From the Clay and Buck show, we're joined by our friend Mike Baker. He is my CIA brother from another mother. He is also the host of the PDB podcast, Presidential Daily Brief Podcast, which is doing huge numbers, doing great stuff there. Mr. Baker, always a pleasure to have you here.
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Thanks Matt, really appreciate it.
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What's going to happen in Venezuela's telling? You want to skip to the end of the movie? Like what? What's going on here? We're blowing up these boats in the Caribbean, the narco boats. Venezuela is a narco state, which I think needs to be more part of the conversation. The leadership there makes a lot of money off of the export of fentanyl out of their country and into our country. Also cocaine, heroin, other stuff. Yeah. What are we doing with these strikes, you think? And where is this going?
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Yeah, it is fascinating. Look, it's a little bit, obviously not, no pun intended, unchartered waters. And what are we up to above? 80 individuals killed so far in these strikes. I think setting aside, you know, the legalities of all of this and just looking at it from an operational perspective, you know, it comes down to, okay, well, you know, if you believe that the intelligence is credible and that, you know, the targeting is well thought through. Do I have a problem with going after narco traffickers? No, I don't. We spent decades, Right. I was involved in the drug wars while I was with the agency, spent a lot of time encounter narcotics operations in parts of the world and, and they always called it a war on drugs and it never really was right in the sense that we never really had a chance to win it. You could destroy the facility, a cooking house, a warehouse somewhere, interdict a large shipment and it never really impacted anything. Didn't affect the street price, didn't affect how much gear was stored in warehouses around the world. In part because, yeah, you've got the demand issue and we've never been good at dealing with the demand side of things. So now we're calling it a war on drugs. And it is actually looking like a war on drugs. The other part of this question is what are we doing with Venezuela? And I have to assume that the massive military buildup in the Caribbean, which is outsized for a counternarcotics efforts or war on drugs, is all about putting pressure on Maduro and more importantly, probably putting pressure on those around him to convince someone or a group of individuals there or advisors or military senior officers, whomever, that it's time for Maduro to go. So I have to assume that that is, we're operating on two tracks here.
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Now, I don't know if you saw this part of it, Mike, but to me, I was concerned, okay, do we want to be. Even if the side effect of, let's say, US operations against the cartels is the toppling of Maduro regime, people worry about that regime change situation. We've seen that go badly elsewhere. But then I saw Maduro singing the John Lennon song Imagine and I was like, this guy's got to go because that's the worst song in the world.
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Exactly. Not only that, it was the worst rendition of the worst song ever.
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True.
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So, you know, yeah, I think, look, it is. I will, maybe I'll be proven wrong on this. It is highly unlikely that we're going into Venezuela militarily in a direct conflict with the Venezuelan government and military to oust Maduro.
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Right.
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So I think the hope for scenario again is this pressure campaign. He probably won't leave on his own volition, but others may convince him that that's the only thing he can do. So you look at that and you think, okay, fine, you're right, regime change is a very ugly thing. But this is not, this is not Libya, it's not Iraq in the sense that I'm not calling for regime change. What I'm saying is they're not apples to apples, right? So you've got a legitimate opposition government that's sitting out there, Maduro. And you know, everybody, even people on the left, are going to have to look at this and go, yeah, the evidence shows that Maduro stole that election outright. So you do have an opposition in waiting. Now whether, you know, there's a sense of survivability on the part of the senior military there in Venezuela, and they say, okay, now it's time to work with the opposition because we want to save our own asses, I don't think a transition necessarily would be sort of this ugly scene that we've seen elsewhere played out sometimes when you get regime change and then it just all heads south.
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So we've got this Operation Southern Spear is the name of it. A buildup of American naval forces in the Caribbean, the largest since the Cuban missile crisis and the blockade of Cuba in 1962. The Gerald Ford aircraft carrier is now in the Caribbean, which I think is our biggest carrier. It is 15,000 troops in the region. You know, Marco Rubio has a. Well, I was going to say he has a large role. He has many large roles actually in this administration. He has more than one role, but he is a, I think a dedicated anti communist in the best sense. And that includes the regime in Cuba. If we do get a major, let's say the Maduro regime instead. Toppling makes it sound like we did it. What if it implodes? What if it crumbles and is no longer in a position or no longer willing to subsidize the Cuban government with a whole lot of oil, without which Cuba is basically screwed. Feels like there's a chance for a two for one here, Mike.
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Look at that. It's a Black Friday sale.
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Yeah.
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You know, it could happen. And you're absolutely right to point out this is not happening in a bubble. Meaning it's not just Venezuela and us, you know, staring each other down. Russia and China, certainly Cuba, they've all got a stake in this, right? And even Iran. Right. Maduro's been, you know, been turning to Iran even for, you know, hope, for support. Trying to say, look at this, what the imperialist dogs are doing to me. So there are other people at play here when folks talk about, you know, the US is doing this simply for Venezuela's resources. Okay? That's that old trope that we always get, right? Other they're moving into Iraq because of the oil they're doing. Oh, God. You know, you hear that one more time. I mean, I've had conversations recently where, you know, some, a couple of people, very intelligent people, but they were completely convinced that this, you know, cartel of the suns that keeps getting referred to as the kind of the pseudo organization that exists as a narco trafficking network, you know, sponsored by the state in Venezuela that was a product of creation from the CIA. Right. I had to listen to a conversation about that. And again, some smart people, but you get these, these things that get rolled out and you look and you think, okay, is there even any reason to respond to that? Right. Because you just give it credibility. So. But I do.
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Well, I always, I always have to point out to people, Mike, that, you know, people who get into this lane, they can either, either the CIA is a bunch of Machiavellian geniuses that can do anything anywhere in the world whenever they want, or they're completely useless and incompetent. They can't have both though, right? Like you can't. They can't be super geniuses who could do anything anywhere, and they're totally worthless. Cuz I've heard that from people. I'm like, I think those things go in contradiction.
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Yeah, no, they do, they do. And, but usually what I hear is that, yeah, somehow the CIA is responsible for everything. And, and you know, but it's always. And then, you know, typically followed backfilled by the idea that, you know, the US should not ever do anything ever. You know, overseas, we have no right to do anything anywhere. And you know, somehow then we would just have this peaceful community of nations and you know, anyhow, I don't want to disappear down that rabbit hole, but I guess I was about to. But yeah, the problem with Venezuela is that you do have other players there. The Russians have a, have a big stake in this. They don't want to see this turn. You know, they certainly would at this time when they're losing influence in a variety of ways. You know, the idea that they would lose an important foothold in our backyard doesn't sit well with Putin. China's been playing out there purely for their own self interest in terms of getting their hands on the resources like we get accused of. But nobody ever mentions that about the Chinese regime. So there's a lot at play here. I just don't think that what we're looking at, and again, maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I don't believe the White House strategy is going to be to put the military into Venezuela for a direct conflict with the government and the military.
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One thing I'm going to do a little bit of a pivot here, Mike. You, for anyone who's seen you on Fox or your podcast, the PDB podcast, which is fantastic and people should go check it out. You look like what I think a lot of people think a secret agent man looks like. And you got the square jaw, all American, you know, you're a manly man. And the American young men, or rather American young men, are increasingly wanting people or they want the society around them to stop making them feel like being a man is a bad thing. The Democrats are unable to reach these young men because of the way they've talked about toxic masculinity and all this stuff. Pete Hegseth has gone into the Pentagon and has really just refocused on war fighting and also, let's be honest, a kind of unabashed masculinity in the way we fight wars. Is there a way to make the CIA badass or at least less, you know, less sort of smarmy bureaucrat than it is right now? I'm wondering how you feel about that, because we could use some help.
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Yeah, no, you know, well, I mean, look, you know this as well, you know better than I do that they, the agency is a real mix, right? You've got all sorts of folks, you know, banging around the corridors there and in our places overseas and you know, look, it takes all types. But I agree 100% with the idea that we need to, we need to be focused. The agency is a risk taking organization, so damn it, we should act like one. And we don't need. The directorate of administration plays an important role. It's a very important directorate. Right. I know a lot of good people there. They keep the trains running on time. They do a lot of things. But, you know, we kind of disappeared down the same rabbit hole that a lot of bureaucracies did over the past handful of years, imagining somehow that we, we were like a corporate culture and that's not helpful to a risk taking organization. So, yeah, I'm trying to be a little bit delicate. I have a lot of good friends over there and I know some are on kind of both sides of this issue, and I get it. But I would like to see.
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Return to a real risk taking mindset. You know what it's like, right? I mean, I, we were there.
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Yeah, it's critical for morale. I mean, you know, if you can make, if you can make all this money, you know, if you can come out of school and make, you know, 200 to 300 grand at Google, like, why, why go work at Langley if you're going to be like, lectured and hounded over DEI nonsense and like trans Identification day all the time? I mean, that's what I hear from the people over there.
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Yeah, yeah, they gotta get. You gotta move that out. Right? And again, I keep going back to the same thing we, we saw cycles, right? If you, if, if you get your ass kicked up on Capitol Hill because an operation or a direction that you're going in goes bad, then suddenly, you know that risk versus gain calculation recalibrates and then you get a period of time where Management doesn't want to put their head over the wall because they don't want to get their ass kicked again up on Capitol Hill. And so you don't take the risks, right, and then eventually recalibrates because the world requires it. You know, some issue somewhere means you got to get back on track.
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Well, basically, Mike, we're going to need you to be the Pete Hegseth of the CIA. But that's a whole other. We'll have you back for that conversation. But you got to go in there and crack some skulls and kick some asses and make make spies great again. But Mike Baker, everybody go check that effect.
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Write a note to that effect, send it to the White House, and I'd be happy to pack my role.
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I'll let them know, man. Yeah, I'll let them know. Mike Baker, everybody. Go check out the PDV podcast. Mike. Mike, thank you so much.
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Of course, man.
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I use Shipt Same Day Delivery to stay connected with my sister during the holidays. She lives across the country. Shipt has tons of stores to order from. Groceries from Albertsons, crafts from Michaels, even pet supplies from petsmart. The list goes on. So when we have long distance movie nights, I turn to Shipt to get face masks, snacks and everything else we need delivered to her and and to me same day. Download the app or visit shipt.com that's s h ipt.com this holiday season Give the Gift Everyone will gather around a Vizio Smart TV now available at Walmart. From a super sized 100 inch TV to QLED TVs of all sizes, Vizio delivers breathtaking color and crystal clear picture quality that takes entertainment to the next level. Plus, with Watch Free plus built in, they can enjoy free live and on demand TV right out of the box. Have a music lover on your list. They can stream their favorite music on the iHeartRadio app ready to go on every Vizio TV. The perfect gift is waiting. Head to Walmart.com and discover Vizio TVs today.
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