Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Nov 24 2025

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Nov 24, 2025
Date: November 24, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode Overview

In this lively, content-rich Thanksgiving week episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton deliver their signature blend of conservative commentary, humor, and analysis on the latest political and cultural developments. The focus centers on the high-stakes Tennessee 7th Congressional District special election, concerns about voter turnout, the national implications for the Republican party, the rise of radical left-wing candidates, and a revealing interview with candidate Matt Van Epps. The episode interweaves national issues—like affordability and the right’s media landscape—with lighthearted banter, memorable inside jokes, and interviews, including a guest spot with Kayleigh McEnany.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tennessee 7th Congressional District Special Election

[03:00 – 15:45, 20:41–31:19]

• Urgency & Stakes: Clay (a resident of this district) and Buck express alarm over Democrats pouring money and resources into this traditionally solid Republican seat. Key concern: A low-turnout, off-cycle election (Dec 2), timed with Thanksgiving, may allow Democrats to “steal” the district if Republicans are complacent.

• District Breakdown: The district covers from Fort Campbell (north, near Kentucky) to Alabama; includes wealthy suburbs and military communities. Confusion over newly redrawn district lines makes it hard for voters to know if they’re eligible.

• Democratic Strategy: Highlighted as relying on the hyper-motivated “crazy base… who have the most fervent Trump Derangement Syndrome” (Clay, [06:09]) to turn out for even minor elections, using the opportunity to set a national narrative ahead of the midterms.

• Afton Bain: The Democratic candidate characterized as an archetype of radical progressivism—advocates defunding/dissolving police, supports militant tactics, and is backed by Socialist groups.

  • Clay’s Reaction: “She is absolutely insane. So again, they're counting on their base of crazies. Think about how crazy she is. She won’t even walk back saying she wants to defund the police…” ([11:32])

• Republican Response: Urgent call to action for ALL potential Republican voters to participate. Special focus on military and suburban voters who may be unaware the election is happening.

  • Quote: “If you're listening to me right now, go vote early right now if you're not going to be back.” — Clay ([15:01])

• Interview with Matt Van Epps (GOP candidate):

  • Mission Statement: “If you don't want higher taxes, defunding the police, gender surgeries for minors without parental consent, you must vote to stop this person.” ([22:14])

  • Background: Husband, father, combat veteran, West Point grad, business and public sector experience.

  • On Awareness Battle: Democrats bank on Republican voters being distracted by the holidays. Early voting runs through Wednesday, then Election Day Dec 2.

  • Stakes & Themes: Affordability, inflation, border security, stopping radical agendas, and promoting energy independence.

  • Call to Action: Matt emphasizes, “We need everyone from every county on our side to get out and vote. Don’t take it for granted.” ([28:54])

• Sociocultural Color: The hosts joke about “calling the Avengers” of right-wing influencers—Brett Cooper, Tomi Lahren, Candace Owens—to defend the district and riff on the media’s anticipation of a GOP embarrassment if the seat flips.

2. National Political Climate & House GOP Drama

[33:33 – 42:55, 51:37–66:25]

• Marjorie Taylor Greene's Resignation: Analysis of the political infighting and primary drama within the Republican Party; Kayleigh McEnany argues narrow majorities mean every seat counts and that more resignations would be a "travesty" ([36:11]). Clay and Buck lament a trend toward “incentivizing crazy” as opposed to policy substance:

  • Clay: “…there is almost no consequence for being wrong. All that matters is do people pay attention to what you're saying?” ([61:10])
  • Buck: “There's a little bit of a disconcerting thing, Clay, where people are getting crazier and crazier, and somehow it's being rewarded…” ([59:00])

• Republican Messaging on Affordability:

  • Concerns over inflation, groceries and gas prices, skyrocketing housing costs, and the need for better GOP messaging.
  • Kayleigh McEnany: “President Trump handed President Biden 1.8% inflation. Biden took that to 9.1%... you have an administration that’s constantly putting out new ideas, be it on housing or health care, sending money directly to the people.” ([37:52])
  • Matt Van Epps: Pitches practical energy policy and health care competition as solutions, touting Tennessee’s small modular reactor as a moonshot for US nuclear. ([26:29])

• Reflection on Conservative Media & “Craze-Baiting”:

  • Buck discusses the fragmentation of right-wing media and the incentives for increasingly “out there” content to chase clicks and attention ([63:25+]).
  • Both co-hosts express concern about “craziness” being rewarded on their side, cautioning it can damage the movement and hand the initiative back to the left.

3. Culture & Gender: Kayleigh McEnany Interview

[33:33–46:19]

• Work-Life Balance for Women: Kayleigh addresses The Wall Street Journal’s “seasons of life” article, giving personal advice for young women balancing ambitious careers and motherhood.

  • Kayleigh: “If God put that desire on your heart to have a child, it is there for a reason… Nothing is more important in life.” ([40:00])

• Inside Jokes & Personality: Banter around Clay’s predilection for Whispering Angel rosé wine (prompted by a viral photo and Kayleigh’s dad’s mock disappointment), bringing levity and an inside-baseball feel to the segment.

  • Kayleigh: “His girlfriend Donya said, yeah, it’s pink. It’s a woman’s drink… But my dad has been your greatest defender, Clay. My dad’s walking around the house going, Clay wrote a book called Balls. That man is a real man.” ([42:02])

• Trump and World Affairs: Kayleigh weighs in on Trump’s recent meeting with Mamdani and expectations for international and domestic political chess.

4. Historical/Nerdy Diversions

[52:24 – 56:39]

• Clay and Buck riff on their experiences touring the Vatican, ancient maps, Roman and European history, and philosophical readings. Entertaining digression underlining both hosts’ intellectual curiosity and relatability.

  • Buck: “My son is named for a guy who made really good maps for the Queen of England in the early 1600s.” ([54:21])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Democratic Strategy:

  • Clay: “The crazy base of the Democrat Party… show up for dog catcher races to vote against Trump. They show up for every race.” ([05:51])

• On District Lines Confusion:

  • Clay: “Even in my neighborhood, they divide it by street. So some people are represented by one congressman, others by another… Worst case scenario, you show up and they say, hey, this is not your district.” ([07:21])

• On Democratic Candidate, Afton Bain:

  • Buck: “I have never heard—have you met anyone or heard of anyone before named Afton?” ([12:44])
  • Clay: “She is the quintessential crazy left wing... white left wing chick that’s been able to support herself in the upper, upper echelons of society with money made by other people her entire life.” ([12:51-13:03])

• On Incentives for ‘Crazy’ in Politics:

  • Buck: “There’s a little bit of a disconcerting thing, Clay, where people are getting crazier and crazier, and somehow it’s being rewarded in the... American Right. And that’s not a good thing.” ([59:00])

• On Messaging and Responsibility:

  • Kayleigh McEnany: “At the end of the day, all of these congressmen need to look in the mirror and realize what's best for the country. Staying on board... It's about the agenda you support, not your personal self-interest.” ([37:15])

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Key Timestamps

• [03:00] — Tennessee 7th Congressional District breakdown and GOP turnout warning
• [06:31] — Buck on the national implications for midterms
• [11:01–11:24] — MSNBC ambush transcript of Afton Bain
• [14:17] — Crowd-sourcing support for the GOP candidate, rally planning
• [20:41] — Interview with Matt Van Epps; early voting info, key issues for district
• [22:14] — Van Epps: “If you don’t want higher taxes, defunding the police, gender surgeries for minors... you must vote...”
• [28:54] — Full county/community rundown—who should vote in the district
• [33:33] — Kayleigh McEnany segment: judicial resistance, GOP messaging, and women’s work/life balance
• [42:02] — Kayleigh and her dad on Clay’s “Whispering Angel” wine moment
• [51:37] — History and personal anecdotes: Vatican, maps, and philosophy
• [59:00] — Buck and Clay on rising craziness and problems of “clickbait” in right-wing media
• [61:10] — Clay laments lack of consequences for wild predictions/wrong analysis in today’s media
• [63:25] — Buck on the disaggregation of right-wing media and the problematic incentive structure
• [66:25] — Refocus on affordability as a likely major issue for the 2026 midterms ("referendum on whether people think goods are affordable or not", Clay)

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Summary Takeaway

This episode combines urgency about a potentially pivotal congressional race with wider cultural and strategic reflections about the future of conservative politics. While keeping the energy high with humor and insider references, Clay and Buck repeatedly return to a central warning: ignore down-ballot races or chase viral “crazy” at your own peril—because the far left is highly organized and ready to pounce. The conversations with Matt Van Epps and Kayleigh McEnany provide practical perspective and rallying calls to action. Meanwhile, relatable discussions about family, history, pop culture, and even wine keep the tone approachable for regular listeners and newcomers alike.

For anyone who missed the episode:

• The main theme is a clarion call to conservative voters not to be complacent about the Tennessee 7th special election—and, by extension, all 2026 elections—lest the left use turnout and media narratives to gain ground.
• The right needs to focus on substance, affordability, unity, and not be distracted or divided by personality politics or attention-seeking drama.

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Transcript

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay. Travis. BUCK SEXTON SHOW okay, I want to give a little bit of a lead up, Buck, because there is a race that is going to happen eight days from now. They are 1 billion percent relying on the fact that lots of Republicans are not going to show up and vote. And this is a race that the White House has gotten involved in. There we don't have a very substantial majority in the House. Democrats coming off of the win in Virginia and the win in New Jersey are pouring money and resources like corporations crazy into this race. It is the Tennessee 7th congressional district. This is a big district. It stretches all the way up to basically Fort Campbell. For many of you out there that are in the military or have served, you know, Fort Campbell goes all the way to the border basically with Kentucky, runs all the way to the border with Alabama on the south side. I'm in this district. They cut Nashville into three different congressional districts. I am in this district. The congressman is retiring, Mark Green, all they, they are trying to pull off a huge upset. And let me give you an idea, Buck. This is a headline right now in the bulwark I'm reading from. This is the what, what was the initial impetus of the bulwark? It was like were the Trump Republicans who, the anti Trump Republicans like that.

[Buck Sexton]

The real, the real Republicans.

[Clay Travis]

That was their entire existence for now. They're basically just like all they do is vote for Democrats. Right? I mean they, they basically are a Democrat operative now. This is what they wrote. This is a story up on their site. The 7th Tennessee district is reliably Republican. Trump carried it by 22 percentage points in 24. Green won his last two races by a similar margin. It includes parts of Williamson county, one of the wealthiest counties in the country. The Fort Campbell military base also falls within the district, along with a vast swath of rural farmland, perhaps most tantalizing for Democrats. Listen to this. A number of MAGA firebrands live in or near the district, like conservative sports radio personality Clay Travis, YouTuber Brett Cooper and right wing podcaster Candace Owens. Imagine as an example the psychic shock of a Republican emerging victorious in the movie star enclave of Beverly Hills, Tennessee. Seven isn't where the two political parties tend to fight it out, but they have poured tons of money in here and here's what they're relying on. And we're going to bring on the congressman in the top of the next hour, they're relying on Republicans not showing up, Buck, you know this. The crazy base of the Democrat Party, the people who have the most fervent Trump derangement syndrome on the planet, they show up for dog catcher races to vote against Trump. They show up for every race, their base. They are going to show up and vote, and they're trying to steal this election to try to diminish Republican control of the House. So we got to show up is.

[Buck Sexton]

A big deal, because they're going to use this as a. If they can pull this off as a rallying cry for the midterms, they're going to say it's a harbinger for the midterms. This shows where the momentum is.

[Clay Travis]

That's exactly right.

[Buck Sexton]

This is. And it's a. It's one of these things where even if they get close enough, they're willing to pour all this money into it and all this resource, all these resources and time, because they feel like they're playing with house money. They'll get money from the coast. They'll get. The big, big Democrat money will pour in if they can steal a seat from, dare I say, Clay Travis's backyard.

[Clay Travis]

My seat, which is.

[Buck Sexton]

This is what. This is what I'm saying. Like, they're going right into your kitchen and they're trying to eat your drumsticks, my friend. They're trying to take it right off your plate. And. And you. And. And what they said. Brett Cooper.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, there's a bunch Tommy texted me over the weekend, fired up about this, because again, the election, you can go early vote right now in Tennessee. Seven. Okay. And if you don't know if this is your district and they're counting on this, too, Fort Campbell. All of you guys who were up there, who are soldiers or who have live in the Clarksville area, it is likely your district all the way down to the border with Alabama. If you live in that range, this is likely your district. If you're in the Franklin area where I live, Brentwood, Nashville, many parts of Nashville, this is your district. It's a little bit confusing, Buck, because even in my neighborhood, they divide it by street. So some people are represented by one congressman, others by another. And it can be literally, it's divided in my neighborhood. So it's sometimes confusing for people to know what district they're in. They're taking advantage of this. If you're not sure, worst case scenario, show up again. This is Mark Green's district. But a lot of you out there, you may not Know, because the lines, especially in the Nashville area, are street to street in neighborhoods. Worst case scenario, you show up and they say, hey, this is not your district. I just don't. They're trying to take advantage of us.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, you gotta go all out here, my friend, because the Democrat media narrative is going to be not even Clay Travis and Tomi taking shots at me.

[Clay Travis]

Already in the article.

[Buck Sexton]

Right. But I'm saying if they win, then it's going to be. See how deflated MAGA is. Even these big MAGA names couldn't. Couldn't help pull this off. Right. So this. This would be like if Republicans were trying to win a congressional seat from the Democrats in Malibu.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. Beverly Hills was what Bull said. I mean, this is our base. Like, we got to show up. I'm fired up about this because you're right. People are going to attack me if this happens. They're going to say, Clay Travis doesn't even live in a Republican district anymore. This is. I mean, that'll be a headline.

[Buck Sexton]

You got to just, you know, you got to talk to the guy at Peg Leg Porker was my favorite barbecue there. And you got to have, like, a big thing, outdoor thing, a rally. And you got to get everybody to show up, my friend.

[Clay Travis]

You got to get.

[Buck Sexton]

You got to get the turnout operation in full swing.

[Clay Travis]

Matt Van Epps is going to be on with us at the top of the next hour. I talked to him over the weekend. I'll say it again on the air, but I told him, whatever you want me to do. You want to do a rally, you want to do an event, I will show up. Obviously, getting him on the show is substantial. I've been sharing a bunch of the clips. Buck, this chick is crazy.

[Buck Sexton]

Isn't she the one who said she hates Nashville? Yeah, Isn't that. How do you run if you hate a place? I don't understand this, actually.

[Clay Travis]

No.

[Buck Sexton]

That's what Democrats do. They want power so they can destroy the places they live.

[Clay Travis]

But she was on msnbc. I need to pull up the sound bites. Do we have a couple of these things just to kind of give you a sense of how crazy this chick is here. She was on msnbc, Buck. This is msnbc. She didn't just say she wanted to defund the police. She said she wanted to shut down the Metro Nashville Police Department. She also said she supported people burning down police stations. And MSNBC asked her about this. This is MSNBC cut 16. You said in those since deleted tweets.

[Interviewer/Host]

That the Metropolitan Nashville Police Department should be dissolved. Another cheered on a teachers union saying that defund the police should be a requirement for schools reopening.

[Clay Travis]

And another saying, good morning, especially to.

[Interviewer/Host]

The 54% of Americans that believe burning down a police station is justified.

[Clay Travis]

Do you still stand by those comments?

[Interviewer/Host]

And if not, is there anything you want to clarify?

[Clay Travis]

I'm not going to gauge in cable news talking points. So you don't want to clarify whether.

[Interviewer/Host]

You still believe that the police should be defunded?

[Clay Travis]

Once again, I don't remember these tweets, but what I'm saying is, is that.

[Interviewer/Host]

I'm not asking if you remember, what.

[Clay Travis]

Is your position today?

[Interviewer/Host]

How's that on this issue? I mean, once again, I'm here to.

[Clay Travis]

Talk about my race, which is in literally nine days.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, Clay, this chick is insane. You guys cannot. You cannot allow this to happen. You have to get everybody out.

[Clay Travis]

That's MSNBC asking her, do you still support defunding the police? Buck, she cheered on the burning down of police stations. I mean, look, there are Democrats out there where you talk and you're like, man, I. I don't agree with these perspectives. This chick is. I'm trying to avoid cursing, crazy. She is absolutely insane. So again, they're counting on their base of crazies. Think about how crazy she is. She won't even walk back saying that she wants to defund the police. I think we listen to this ad too, Buck. She chased ICE agents around in Nashville to try to keep them from being able to do their jobs. I believe this is cut 15. Listen, Afton Bain says I'm a very radical person. So radical. Bane thinks rioting is a way for people to express themselves. Worse, Bane went on a midnight joyride harassing ICE officers and state troopers.

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[Clay Travis]

So this is like unhinged, and it's really scary. Stop. Afton Baned. So radical. It's scary. This is real.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I don't even. I have never heard. Have you met anyone or heard of anyone before named Afton? I didn't know this was a name.

[Clay Travis]

She's a rich kid from East Tennessee who went to rich private schools. She's 35, I think, unmarried. She is the quintessential crazy left wing. She's a.

[Buck Sexton]

She's a white. A white left wing chick that's been able to support herself in the upper, upper echelons of society with money made by other people her entire life and has no idea how the real World actually works and has insane ideas that would destroy civilization. Also known as the base of the Democrat Party.

[Matt Van Epps]

Cool.

[Clay Travis]

They're going to show up and vote for her. They're going to show up and vote for her. This chick makes Kamala Harris seem conservative. And Kamala Harris showed up and tried to campaign for her, but she didn't want to be seen with Kamala Harris, which is funny in and of itself because there are a lot of people in Nashville who are not big fans of Kamala Harris. So my point on this, and we're going to have Congressman Van Epps again, early voting is going on right now. They are pouring resources into this district like crazy because the insane left wing, afton Bain, like 35 year old white women who have lost their minds, they've already voted. They're showing up. And this district, again, it's a Trump district. But they think that Republicans aren't going to show up because it's a December 2nd. It's in the middle of the Thanksgiving holiday. It is not ideal timing.

[Buck Sexton]

Are you, are you getting Tommy all fired up over this? And Candace lives in this area and.

[Clay Travis]

They'Re going to have. I'm going to have a rally maybe tomorrow. You're out.

[Buck Sexton]

You got to call the Avengers, buddy.

[Clay Travis]

You got.

[Buck Sexton]

You cannot allow them to take, you cannot allow them to take this, this congressional seat.

[Clay Travis]

This is nuts. No, we got to get everybody together. I mean, this is. I went on Friday with Laura Ingram and talked about it. I mean, this is going to be, I think, a lead story nationwide over the next week. And again, I'm just trying to wake people up because I think a lot of people out there are not aware. I mean, how often do you vote for a congressional seat on December 2?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is also why Democrats think that they can pull this off, right? Because everyone's going to be in their turkey coma. Oh, I ate too much on Thanksgiving.

[Clay Travis]

And you might be on the road. Some of you are not going to be back for by December 2nd. So if you're listening to me right now, go vote early right now if you're not going to be back. And buck, the reason they think it is, they looked at the total turnout in the primary and there were only about 5,000 more Republicans who showed up in the primary than Democrats. And so they looked at that and said, wait a minute, if we pour money in here, we can win this thing.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm just going to, I'm just going to say it. I'm going to put a marker down here for all of our all of our Nashville area audience. Clay, you don't go and vote on this thing. No cobbler for you. No cobbler on Thanksgiving. You're cut off from the smash pie.

[Clay Travis]

Greatest dessert. Greatest dessert. You don't. You don't deserve it. I'm signing on. Co sign.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton telling it like it is. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Travis Buck Sexton Show Monday Edition Thanksgiving week. We talked about this in the opening hour. There is a race eight days from now. Tennessee's 7th congressional district. It's going to surprise a lot of people because Thanksgiving is this week. A lot of people out on the road. You can go vote early. This is my congressional district. This is going to be my congressperson. And there is a crazy left winger, Afton Bain, who is running on the other side and on the side of truth, justice and the American way. I want all of you to go vote for him. He is Matt Van Epps. He is early voting is underway. Tennessee 7th congressional district. If you don't know if it's your district, go online. You can look. You can also just show up and, and just be be honest, say, hey, sometimes this is confusing. Matt Van Epps, with us now. You know this too, because they redrew the lines. Nashville is actually now split three different ways by in my neighborhood in Franklin, you can be one congressman dis different district. A lot of people still don't know. Tell us why this race is so important. Hopefully soon to be Congressman Matt Van Epps and what Democrats are trying to do by stealing this seat.

[Matt Van Epps]

Hey, Clay, great to be on with you. Matt Van Epps here. And so first and foremost, as you mentioned, my opponent, Afton Bain, is a crazy left wing radical. If you don't want higher taxes, defunding the police, gender surgeries for minors without parental consent, you must vote to stop this person. And that's the only way to do it, is to vote to stop her. So we're asking everybody to get out and vote. I'm a husband, father, combat veteran. I'm a West Point grad, served nine combat tours. I've led small business operations, served in state government as commissioner of general services, where I like to say we were doing Doge before Doge. And I'm still serving in the Tennessee Army National Guard today and excited to fight for Nashville, for Davidson county, all of our 14 counties.

[Buck Sexton]

So what is it looking like in terms of awareness even for this race coming up here? Because I got to tell you, this is a particularly difficult to sandwich in this election between Thanksgiving and Christmas and New Year's. What, what can you do to help? This is Buck, by the way, the other guy. What can you do to help get the word out? And how are you seeing that actually in play out given that? I think there's been a total lack of focus, which is why the Democrats are so very honed in on trying to sneak this one.

[Matt Van Epps]

That's right. And Buck, thanks for the question. Great to be with you. We've just, we've got to get out. We're telling everybody right now early Voting goes through the 26th through Wednesday before Thanksgiving and then the elections on December 2nd. So we just need everyone to get out and vote. You know, my opponent is, she is a crazy radical left winger. She supported Madani and would be lockstep in that socialist agenda. Matter of fact, she's endorsed by the socialists because she's one of them. She fought against the largest tax cut in state history and proposed new taxes. She'll make it more expensive for working families and farmers. And, and I think when people both know that about her and that they can early vote right now through the 26th and election day December 2nd, that we'll turn out the vote and it will win this decisively on December 2nd.

[Clay Travis]

For people out there, how much do you think the Democrat plan is just relying on a lot of traditional Republican voters not being aware this election is happening? Because I said in the first hour their base of crazy left wing, frankly, Afton, Bain, you know, like mirror image voters, is going to show up for everything. They're really plugged in here. That's basically the Democrats strategy, right? Is that people are just going to be busy and not be aware this is actually going on.

[Matt Van Epps]

That's, that's right. We, you know, we had, we had a great win in the primary. We have great momentum endorsed by the president, backed by the speaker. We have over 40 local endorsements from sheriffs and county mayors, highway superintendents, farmers, business leaders. And so that momentum we're carrying forward, what we can't have happen is people take it for granted. We've got to have our side get out there and vote. The Democrats are hoping that we don't turn out and we've got to fight against this just crazy radical left wing agenda. Not right for Tennessee. It's not right for America. And we, we do that when people show up with the jersey on, get on the field and vote.

[Buck Sexton]

Affordability is going to be a huge thing, Matt, in the midterms. And you're going to be, your race is certainly going to be if the. Well, heaven forbid. But if the Democrats pulled this off, they'll say that it is indicative of the GOP's lack of focus on the affordability issue right now. I wanted you to speak to that because there, there are a lot of people that are still feeling the pinch of high prices at the pump at the grocery store. You know, the whole, whole discussion here in Florida about property tax, a lot of things that are making people feel like they can't get ahead. What do you think could be done in the Congressional side to help with that. And just as a general philosophical issue, how do you want to approach affordability if you, if in fact, you're successful in this election?

[Matt Van Epps]

Absolutely. And that is top of mind for so many of our voters. And I agree. We stand for battling inflation, secure borders, tax cuts, protecting our kids, cheaper gas, supporting veterans and law enforcement, ending wars around the globe. And the affordability piece here is, is top of the top of the agenda. And I think I'm pro nuclear. I think we need to unleash America's nuclear power and energy. Tennessee is leading with the first small modular reactor at the Clinch river site in East Tennessee that should be online in 2032. And so we've got to promote oil and gas and nuclear so that we drive down the cost of the pump, we drive down utilities. Healthcare is really important. I think a good example is in Clarksville, Tennessee, when government gets out of the way and the private sector is put into play. We have two new hospitals going in in Clarksville that's going to increase access, increase competition, drive down costs and ultimately increase outcomes. And you're absolutely right. On housing, we've got to keep property taxes low. I think from a, from a federal standpoint, that's no unfunded mandates. We've got to work with states and local governments to ensure that we have workforce, housing and close proximity to the workplace. And we've got to, we've got to work, continue to work to keep taxes low and to cut red tape.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to who I hope is going to be my next congressman, Matt Van Epps. Can you tell everybody out there listening right now, because we have a ton of affiliates. One of the confusing things is your district runs from basically all the way at Kentucky all the way down to Alabama. Can you run through some communities so people who are out there listening can say, oh, wait a minute, that's me, because these district lines are still new. A lot of people out there listening right now may not be aware that this race is even going on. So I'll start with you. Fort Campbell area, Clarksville area, a huge part of you guys. You are voting for your congressman now. And on December 2nd, Nashville, Franklin, Brentwood, different parts of the Nashville area. Nashville is split up into three different congressional districts and then on down south. Where else? What communities should know they are in this district that you need them to turn out?

[Matt Van Epps]

Absolutely. So on the north side, Stuart, Montgomery and Robertson is really important. Our western boundary, Benton, Decatur, we've got Hickman, Houston Humphreys, Perry and Wayne Cheatham. County. And then on the, on our, on our eastern boundary there, as you mentioned, we've got Davidson County, Williamson county. It's part of Davidson, it's part of Williamson. It's border to border. And we need everyone to get out and vote. It's just, it's so incredibly important. It's really, it's all 14 counties. We need everyone from every county on our side to get out and vote. Don't take it for granted. And when we do that, we're going to stop this radical ideology from trying to come into Tennessee and we're going to advance affordability. We're going to support working families, farmers, military and veterans. And we're going to keep moving America in the right direction, in the America first direction.

[Clay Travis]

And you said early voting ends on Wednesday, right before Thanksgiving, is that right? And then the actual Election day is Tuesday, December 2nd, just for people out there.

[Matt Van Epps]

That's right. Yeah. Absolutely. Right. Early voting through Wednesday the 26th. And, and then December 2nd is election day.

[Clay Travis]

And for people out there who may not even live in the district, but I hope everybody in the district's going to go vote. But they want to help and they just want to ensure that Democrats don't steal this race. How can they find you online?

[Matt Van Epps]

Yeah. So it's matt for tn.com that's matt f o r t n dot com and would be honored to have had both support and their vote. And together we're going to get this done and we're going to win decisively on December 2nd.

[Clay Travis]

Amen. Thank you. That's Matt Van Epps. Everybody in my district, everybody listening in the Nashville area, in the Franklin area, Clarksville, all the way down to the border. You heard all the different counties that are involved. We got to get out. We got to show up and make sure that the Democrats don't steal a seat. Congressman, I hope Matt Van Epps may have you on Election Day next week just to reinforce again that the election is happening. That is eight days from now. But you can vote early today, tomorrow and Wednesday in advance of Thanksgiving. Thank you.

[Matt Van Epps]

Thanks, gentlemen. Really appreciate it.

[Clay Travis]

Buck, this is a big deal. We'll talk more about it. We'll break down some of this, this news coming out about the cases being tossed, dealing with Letitia James and James Comey. And also a lot of breaking news out there. Trump has announced that there's going to be meetups with China's leader. And also a lot of drumbeat. I haven't talked about this with you. I'm curious what you Think about Venezuela, the potential of major action taking place there. We will break all that down for you. But I got to tell you, you're trying to save money. I bet many trying to save money, particularly as we come into this holiday season. How much difference would an extra thousand dollars be to you as we come up on the holiday season? How much are all those presents going to cost? How much is all that travel? Heck, how much is all the food gonna cost you when it comes to putting on Thanksgiving festivities? PureTalk can offer you a lifetime deal right now. Unlimited talk, text and data, 30 gig hotspot. Just 29.95amonth for life. This is Pure Talk's top tier plan. Normally 65 bucks a month. Now just 29.95amonth. You're saving over 50% a month every month for life. Let alone the savings percentage you might realize from a more expensive plan with another carrier. Think about this again. £250, say clay and Buck for Pure Talk's best unlimited plan for just 29.95amonth for life. Pure Talk's US customer service team can have you switched in minutes. Keep your phone, your phone number and start saving right now. Less than 30 bucks a month. That's £250, say clay and Buck. To switch to Pure Talk today, that's £250, say clay and Buck. Stories of freedom, stories of America. Inspirational stories that unite us all. Each day, spend time with Clay and Buck. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. We're.

[Buck Sexton]

We're back, Clay. Clay is getting spicy in the breaks. He's got to put his earpiece in. We have Kaylee McEnany with us now, and Kelly McEnany is the host of Saturday in America with Kelly McEnany. She's a former White House press secretary and she has a family with fantastic taste in radio because her dad listens to the show every day. So we're all going to be on our best behavior. Clay's halo is still intact. Still intact.

[Clay Travis]

I'm not attacked. I don't know what just went out over national radio there. My analysis of the Olivia Nuzzi situation. Well, maybe get to that with Kaylee.

[Buck Sexton]

To Kelly, let's start with this because you also are a Harvard Law graduate, so let's discuss the judicial resistance here. The judge dismissed both of the indictments against Letitia James and against James Comey. What do you make of it?

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, so they did not reach the subject matter in that, you know, let's kiss James they were not commentary commentating on the seriousness of the mortgage allegations against her and James Comey on the alleged perjury. So they didn't get to the heart of the matter. The facts of the case, however, what they're saying is Lindsey Halligan, when she was appointed to that position of interim attorney, it's complex, but there's a 120 day period. The President can put someone there and then a court decides. They say the manner in which she was appointed was unconstitutional and therefore any case stemming from her appointment is therefore not dismissed, but dismissed without prejudice. Which means that Trump can refile the case. And I say Trump, but what I mean is the Trump administration, the DOJ will see if they do that, they can reprosecute it, they can file an appeal. They have all sorts of ways to go about this. So his. James not in the clear. Comey not in the clear just yet, though they are celebrating. I see some statements out there.

[Clay Travis]

You nailed it there analyzing it. Kaylee Most people are not going to get to the essence. They're just going to see the headline of it being dismissed and they're going to think it means that on the merits there was not a claim that was actionable brought against them. And so I think that's important to kind of work through all this. And let's go to a little bit of a different direction with you. And we're going to get to the Whispering angel controversy. Don't worry. I appreciate your dad. What did you make of Marjorie Taylor Greene's announcement? How surprised were you by it? Where does she go from here? What is the significance of the video and her resignation?

[Interviewer/Host]

Well, it was unsurprising in that when President Trump withdrew his endorsement, look, she was going to face a primary challenge and she might not have been successful in that endeavor. We know President Trump has quite some sway with the Republican base. She knew she was up against that. There is a trajectory and a history of individuals who have fallen out with the president getting that primary challenge. It makes it a lot harder to pass laws through Congress because there is such a narrow majority. I was reading reporting and I think Punchbowl that there are some other frustrated members of Congress and the Republican delegation side that might consider stepping aside as well. And what a travesty that would be. Then we could be looking at potentially, you lose enough seats, it's just a handful. You could turn the majority of the House of Representatives over to the Democrats just by virtue of retirement or people stepping aside. So let's pray it doesn't come to that because at the end of the day, all of these congressmen need to look in the mirror and realize what's best for the country. Staying on board. The people put you there for a reason. Stay for the long haul because it's about the agenda you support and not your personal self interest.

[Buck Sexton]

Kelly, we have a focus, and I know the administration's looking at this now more as well, on the price of things. There's real concern out there for people who are just seeing the price of hamburger meat, the price of, of gasoline, their rent, electricity, especially electricity along the east eastern corridor, the east coast, because of a lot of the AI data center stuff that's going up now. So do you think the, do you think that the Republican messaging on this is where it needs to be? Do you see there a growing focus on this and how would you assess it?

[Interviewer/Host]

I think they're getting there and I think it's really important, imperative that, that they do get to the right spot. And I've seen Beth and others out there saying, look, we are not denying that there is an issue with affordability. We're not going to be the Biden administration that say, you know, oh, there's no problem, move on, you know, nothing to see here. We're going to acknowledge it, but also at the same time acknowledge we have the working solution. Here's a fact. President Trump handed President Biden 1.8% inflation. Biden took that to 9.1%. Trump has since brought it down to in the 3 percentage range. Prices are a little bit lagging there, but I love that we have an administration with creative solutions. I talked to Scott Turner, the head of Housing and Urban Development. He's like, look, we're looking at these 50 year mortgages, we're looking at portable mortgages. And I, we can debate the efficacy of each of those things. But you have an administration that's constantly putting out new ideas, be it on housing or health care, sending money directly to the people. We could debate each and every one of these, but they're trying, they have solutions that are working. We see that with gas prices coming down and I think we're going to be in a different place about a year from now. No tax on tips is in, no tax on overtime will kick in. And I think Democrats may be surprised at what happens in the midterms. It could boomerang back at them because people do remember the Biden years and make no mistake, Trump's going to remind them of them.

[Clay Travis]

Kaylee, there's a good article in The Wall Street Journal I was reading this morning, and I was curious when I. When we were going to have you on what your thoughts are on it. It's about women and the idea of seasons of life. And you and I both went to law school, and obviously, if you go to law school and you start practicing law, that takes a decent amount of time. You've got young kids now. There are a lot of women that I went to law school with that went hard into practicing law, and they had difficulty balancing out when to have kids. I know Buck talked about this last week because it's becoming even more and more of a big topic. What would you tell young women out there when it comes to prioritizing career and balancing it with kids and age and everything that you have learned, given the fact that you went to law school, too?

[Interviewer/Host]

Absolutely. What I say is you can have it all. Is it a harder path? Absolutely. To be a working mom? No doubt about it. But you find a way. And if God put that desire on your heart to have a child, it is there for a reason. And if he put a desire on your heart to be a working mom, that's there for a reason, too. And one thing I would note, a great example is Erica Kirk. And I saw an interview last night. She did, and she noted that her and Charlie Kirk wanted to have four children. And unfortunately, Charlie Kirk was taken way too soon. She has two children, young children now. And she said that she was praying to God that she was pregnant with her third child at the time of his passing. And unfortunately, she wasn't. And then she went on to say, this is why, you know, young women out there, nothing is more important than family. Nothing is more important than that desire you have on your heart to be a mother. And if it's there, you just gotta go for it. And I did, you know, I got national press secretary for the Trump campaign, and I was like, is now the right time to have a child? And, you know, Sean and I tried and got pregnant, like in the snap of a finger. And baby Blake came and I washed her little onesies and bathtubs at hotel rooms with my mom on the campaign trail in New Hampshire and South Carolina, everywhere we went in the primary, but it was the best thing that I ever did. And you find a way. And if God puts it on your heart that it's there, then he's going to see it through and he's going to help you in that endeavor. It's nothing more important in life.

[Buck Sexton]

Now, Kaylie, you're generally not one to court controversy, but you find yourself in the midst of some controversy as your dad, a beloved and appreciated listener, daily listener of this program, has weighed in on a range of facts, a range of things, including the Fireside Chat video you posted in which he has spoken about the Clay Whispering angel fiasco. I think at this point, we just have to lean into it, Caylee and Clay and I have to ask for a whisper Whispering angel endorsement or something because there's no escaping from the fact that when Clay had a whole bar to choose from at the Fox Patriot Awards, he went for Rose Kaylee. He went for it.

[Interviewer/Host]

You noted that Clay had a halo on at the beginning of this. And indeed he has a halo, a whispering angel halo. I have a whole press rollout plan for Clay on this. And you know, I'm a former press secretary, so I'm good at press rollouts. And Jesse's team came to me and asked for the picture of Clay and drinking Whispering Angel. I told Jesse watersteam, no, no, no, no, no. I've got a rollout plan for this. It's gonna come out just at the right time. My dad was so disappointed, drinking bourbon by the campfire. I'm actually with my, with my brother in law right now, Michael Gilmartin. And he said, I cannot believe Clay Travis drinks Whispering Angel. And his girlfriend Donya said, yeah, it's pink. It's a woman's drink. He's drinking that. What is wrong with this man? But my dad has been your greatest defender, Clay. My dad's walking around the house going, clay wrote a book called Balls. That man is a real man. He's not a whispering angel man. So you've got a great defender in Mike McKinney.

[Clay Travis]

I think we have the audio for people who haven't heard it, here is Kaylee's fantastic dad, I'm sorry that I've disappointed him. I felt as I was watching him, like the coach found out that I broke curfew or something. That's like your dad sounds like he's got. He's a coach and he's just. He's not sad, he's not mad. He's just disappointed in the lack of discipline. Listen, I've been reading Clay Travis's book Balls. I'm telling you guys, it is. First of all, it's a kind of an autobiography. But he's a great writer. He takes his facts all the way back. And how sports and how sports became woke and how the kids young men really helped turn this thing around. And so did Alkick, Clay and a.

[Matt Van Epps]

Few others that fought against, you know.

[Clay Travis]

ESPN and all these, these, these woke.

[Buck Sexton]

Of the NBA and all that.

[Clay Travis]

It's amazing. Book is amazing.

[Interviewer/Host]

I gotta ask you, what about him? Drinking, Whispering Angel. Clay Travis drinks, whispering.

[Clay Travis]

Shocking.

[Buck Sexton]

Shocking.

[Clay Travis]

That's, that's a, that's just a.

[Buck Sexton]

He had a bad night. Yeah, he had a bad night. Like, you missed too many free throws. I love it.

[Clay Travis]

I felt, I felt like he found out I missed curfew and I wasn't gonna be able to play in the first quarter of.

[Interviewer/Host]

Oh, man, it was hilarious. My dad was a football coach.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, that's perfect.

[Interviewer/Host]

This man is your defender, so he's going to like hang out there to dry in the public. But behind the scenes he's like, you got to get both. Clay Travis is the best of the best. He's defending you. But I've got the picture, so this isn't going away. You got a former White House press secretary who's after you with a press plan. So watch out. Jim Acosta. Watch out, Clay Travis.

[Clay Travis]

I, he had a bad night is such a great immediate defense line that I, I'm glad your dad had my back. That's a good response. You as a press secretary have to say, you know what, he kind of took a little bit of the heat away with that immediate sentence, by the way. Last question for you. And I'm, I'm not pleased about the media campaign attacking my drinking character that is coming. Were you surprised by the Mom Donnie Trump interaction in the White House, or did you totally anticipate that based on your experience working with Trump in the White House?

[Interviewer/Host]

So I did not think it would be hostile. I did not think it would be like the Zelensky meeting. I was surprised at just how cordial it was. But then I sat back and I thought about it and I have watched this man, Donald Trump, play four dimensional chess constantly. He's not someone who can be, you know, flattered. You may think he's been flattered and you know, he's praising someone because of that flattery. He always has the plan. So sit back, hang tight. I was surprised at how complimentary it was. But you just wait. You just wait. I notice. I'll just say this, Mom Donnie was pressed on whether Trump said, I won't send federal troops to your city. Federal law enforcement, I should say. And he would not say that. President Trump said that. So I think there might have been some harsher words behind the scenes. And you just wait. See Trump's next Step.

[Clay Travis]

Outstanding stuff. Kayleigh McEnany. Buck, that does. You've got all the details.

[Buck Sexton]

I was just gonna say dad is a great, great listener of the program and we very much appreciate it, Kaylee, and thank you for being here with us. Come back and hang out again soon, okay? We enjoy our Kaylee visits.

[Interviewer/Host]

I love it. And Clay, you go get a nice mid afternoon cocktail. Rose is a great one. So go enjoy.

[Clay Travis]

Frozen.

[Buck Sexton]

Froze.

[Clay Travis]

I might go froze. I'm gonna be down at the beach this weekend for Thanksgiving. I might just start walking around with pink drinks. Frozen all the time. Kaylee McEnany has a great show and evidently has incriminating photos of me consuming very feminine alcohol. So I've got to be nice to her. Although it sounds like the campaign's rolling out no matter what. Gotta tell you, holiday season, how many of you are gonna be on the road? I bet a lot of you are gonna be driving places. And when you're driving places, you might even be in multiple different cars. Maybe your family's big enough they can't all fit in one car. How about having some rapid radios? Maybe you want to send the kids out of the house and you want them to be running around playing hide and seek, playing football on Thanksgiving, as many people do. But they're young. They may not have their own cell phones with them. Rapid radio is a great opportunity for you to be able to stay in touch with your kids, but you don't have to worry about them getting on the Internet. You don't have to worry about the responsibility of a cell phone. And right now, Cyber Monday, incredible sell coming for rapid radios. You don't know when the next storm is going to be. You don't know when your kids are going to need it. Maybe when your. Your elderly relatives might need this because they don't do a fantastic job with their cell phones. We've got rapid radios in the Travis household. They hold a charge for five days. You can get hooked up right now at rapidradios.com to make sure your family's never out of reach. That's Rapidradios.com get hooked up today. Rapidradios.com two guys walk up to a mic. Anything goes. Clay, Travis, and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Buck Sexton]

Shh.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome in our number three, Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the Monday edition of the program. Just so you know, we will be with you Tuesday of this week and Wednesday of this week. If you're gonna be on the road, as I know a lot of you are for Thanksgiving, including you're staying at home this year, right, Buck? You're with the little guy, like, just chilling. Oh, go to New York. Oh, that's in New York. You'll be home for Christmas. Going to be on the road. Buck will be up in momdani land for. For Thanksgiving. I will be on the road. I'll be down in Florida, but we will be with you Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Just in case you're going to be out on the road. I know a lot of you are going to be driving around. Good time to sign up for the just you tomorrow.

[Buck Sexton]

Just you tomorrow. Clay. Clay might lead everyone in the rosary before his beatification as Saint Clay, which could come any moment now.

[Clay Travis]

I. Have you toured the Vatican before? Have you taken. Like that?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I'm just gonna say it. It's gonna sound a little. Little frou frou, but my 8th grade class trip was to Italy, so there you go.

[Clay Travis]

Wow. Well, I had never been to Italy till a couple of years ago. I was out last week. Super secret move. Got to go set up a meeting with the Pope. Got to hang out with the him bath. It was an awesome trip. We got to tour the Vatican, Buck, after hours. And so we were the only people in the Sistine Chapel, which if you. I've been before, there's usually hundreds of people. And we got a special tour going through the Vatican. It was. It was awesome, the number of so maps that they have in the Vatican. You know, one of the things that the Vatican used to be so powerful for. For those of you out there that are history nerds like both Buck and myself, if you study history, one of the things that was the most valuable back in the day was accurate maps, particularly of the New World. And that was considered to be basically the state secrets of the era. How do you get to the Spice Islands? I love that whole area, that whole era. The age of exploration. We got to go tour and see a bunch of maps, Buck, that were made almost immediately upon Columbus's discovery of America. And being able to look at those maps that were drafted in the 1490s that they kept in the Vatican or that the Vatican eventually had ended up in control of. Think about how valuable that asset was. The maps of the world, in many ways, were the most valuable intelligence of that era.

[Buck Sexton]

So since we're just totally nerding out here, Clay, my official genealogist who did this whole family thing. My son's name is Speed. It's because Speed is a family name. The Speed Museum in Kentucky, by the way, the same line. And we are very much descendants of that. So actually Kentuckian on one side. There you go. Something new for people. And John Speed, who was the chief cartographer for Queen Elizabeth I in the early 1600s, is a direct descendant, and his descendants that came to America became the Speed Sexton family. So my son is named for a guy who made really good maps for the Queen of England in the early 1600s.

[Clay Travis]

Boom. Brought all around. That's a heck of a connection. I just. It was an amazing trip. And I think I said this when we came back the first time I went to Italy. It's a couple of years ago. We also got to go to. To tour what I think is maybe the most. The most. I mean, look, there are tons of incredible parts of Italy. We're in the Coliseum, which is for someone who is a fan of sports. I mean, basically the beginning and the foundation of every. Of every aspect of the. Of the entire sports industry.

[Buck Sexton]

They used to feed Christians to the lions there, though, St. Clay. So we don't. We don't like that part of it.

[Clay Travis]

A little bit. A little bit of a downside potentially associated there.

[Buck Sexton]

That's the part that everyone always leaves out about Marcus Aurelius, by the way. Oh, he was a Stoic in the Meditations. Meditations. A little self indulgent, if you ask me. And also, this guy was a huge persecutor of the Christians, and his son Commodus was a psycho, and so he.

[Clay Travis]

Wasn'T a very good dad either.

[Buck Sexton]

So maybe everybody should stop getting all their lessons from the Stoics. I'm just throwing it out there.

[Clay Travis]

I haven't ever read the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius. It's actually on my list. Did you read it?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, of course.

[Matt Van Epps]

I mean, it's.

[Buck Sexton]

It's a lot. It's. It's a lot of them. Don't even get me started. Meditations is philosophy for people who don't want to actually put too much work into philosophy. All right.

[Matt Van Epps]

It's.

[Buck Sexton]

It's like.

[Clay Travis]

Sounds like me. Sounds like me, honestly, Bill Clinton's favorite.

[Buck Sexton]

Bill Clinton was quoted as saying, I think it was his favorite thing ever written. I'm like, yeah, no surprise. Leaves plenty of time to chase ladies. Not spend a lot of time actually studying.

[Clay Travis]

I think if you told me, hey, you're going to have to spend a lot of time in a philosophy class, I would. That does not sound like something that I would want to do. But what I was going to say also is, I think the coolest, maybe the most amazing building is the Pantheon, which is roughly, you know, 2,000 years old. And every time I have the opportunity to tour a place like that, I can't help but think just how incredibly young this nation is. When you think about it in the context of Greece, Rome, certainly last year I was over in, in Israel. You know, the things that we consider to be super old here are a pinprick of time in much of the, quote, unquote, old world. So I hope people get the opportunity to go over there. Thank you to the Vatican Ambassador, Brian Birch, and Italy's Ambassador Tillman Fertitta. We had great times with they and their families. Awesome people, great choices by the Trump administration. Okay, I want to get your take on this buck because we haven't really talked about it that much. We talked a lot about the race that's going on. Encourage all of you in the Tennessee 7th congressional district to get out and vote. Matt Van Epps was with us. Kaylee McEnany was with us last hour. And we opened the show talking about the Trump mom, Donnie Brofest, what is your take on Marjorie Taylor Greene's decision to give up her congressional seat starting in January? Is this some sort of super stupendous move that she is making in the political stratosphere? Did she just get upset at criticism from Trump and there's not much else to it. My understanding is she's wealthy, she doesn't need to have a job. What is going on here as you see it?

[Buck Sexton]

I'll be honest. I mean, I follow this insofar as it's our job to know what's going on in the news. But I started to put this a little bit into the personal squabble category, where somebody has some kind of a beef with Trump and then they get into a little bit of a back and forth, and it's just hard for me to spend that much time and intellectual energy on this. That said, I think there are people who find it to be worthy of discussion. So, I mean, I'll just say this. She seemed to Be getting a little wacko recently. Little. Some of the stuff she was saying was a little wacko, let's be honest.

[Clay Travis]

A lot of that going around these days.

[Buck Sexton]

Maybe a lot of that going around these days. And I'll tell you what's really happened. And this is. And you know, by the way, don't. Don't, like, do the thing that people do. I'm not naming anybody because I don't want to get into any of the personal squabbles. We talk about ideas and news here. And we're here for you, for this audience, not here for someone else's audience to get into some back and forth and help their ratings or whatever. We're here for you. We serve you. Rush's audience that he built over decades. And I would just say there's a. There's a little bit of a disconcerting thing, Clay, where people are getting crazier and crazier, and somehow it's being rewarded in the. On the American Right. And that's not a good thing. This is not. This is not good. Attention does not equal. Right. Attention does not equal clicks. A lot of people get into this. Clicks and downloads and all that are not actually the most important currency in what we do. It's important, you know, if you. Only, if you don't have anyone listening, it doesn't really matter what you say if you're going to do this. But if you're getting crazy out there and you're turning on people who have stood with you and you're turning. I mean, look, I'll just give you a perfect example. I found it deeply sad that Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala and then at his funeral, had a bunch of communists destroying everything he ever stood for. I think that's a really sad legacy on top of the legacy of the bad wars and everything else. But I'm just at least go out with your principles, man. At least go out like, guys, I thought I was doing the right thing, but I stood for something. He did the wrong thing, and then he sold everything out. And I just can't think of a sadder thing than that in your final years to do. And I just see a lot of people right now who are getting a lot of attention and everything else. And like I said, I'm not going to get into any individuals because I don't care. But they're saying crazy stuff that sells out what they have stood for before, and they can either explain that, which I haven't seen a lot of, or people should see it for what it is. Which is just attention and money seeking. And I think that that's a shame. I don't like. I don't like what I'm seeing. The trend is not, is not our friend right now.

[Clay Travis]

Here's. This is the big trend that I have an issue with. And I think Marjorie Taylor Greene has in some way gotten caught up in the, in the chaos there. In a social media era, there is almost no consequence for being wrong. All that matters is do people pay attention to what you're saying? And I'll give you an example. You and I came on this program and I think have been proven correct when we said, hey, striking Iran is going to be a good decision that will help to bring stability to the Middle East. I think you're seeing potentially with Saudi Arabia coming in on the Abraham Accords, I think President Trump was 100% right on that choice. Now, there was a debate out there. There was a huge debate out there about whether it was the right decision to strike Iran or not. I think that was a smart debate to have. Right. Everybody's not right on every issue. But if you said, hey, if we strike Iran, World War 3 is going to happen and then we struck Iran and World War 3 did not happen and there were virtually no consequences. In fact, Buck, I think I'm correct in saying not one single American soldier was even harmed by us striking Iran. I think I'm correct in that. Right?

[Buck Sexton]

That's correct.

[Clay Travis]

Not only was World War Three not happen, as far from World War Three as you could actually go occurred, and in fact, I think more stability to the Middle east and safety and security and peace was the result. Well, what happens then? There's not a consequence for being wrong. And if you come on and you say, hey, guess what, I was wrong. I say this all the time. I got the 2022 election wrong on this show. I thought we were going to have a huge red wave. I was wrong. I got it wrong. You come on, you own it. Nobody's going to be perfect in every piece of analysis, but it seems there's actually far from consequences for being wrong. There's actually an incentive to be crazy and it actually is paying really well. We may be the sanest show on radio, which may be the Santa show in America. I wonder about that though, right? When crazy is a reward, that makes me think that we're in a really.

[Buck Sexton]

Dangerous place and this ties into because we are capitalists here. My book, which I hope you'll pre order Manufacturing Delusion, which is about how you create Madness and weaponize it for politics, which is going on all the time. It's happening a little bit on our side. There is a manufacturing of delusion that is happening on the right. So please go pre order the book, get a copy of Balls already on the shelves and then pre order manufacturing delusion. And because you got to get those, those pre order numbers up or else they just don't make enough books. Clay, I think part of this also is that the disaggregation and conservative and right wing media, I'll just be honest, it used to be there was, there was Rush and then there was Fox News and then there was kind of everything else. You know, I mean, there was. And so there were kind of the, the biggest, baddest guys on the block that enforced, I think some degree of what the, the guardrails were just in, you know, and obviously Sean had a huge radio show, huge show at Fox. I mean there's people that are all, that were all the, the elder statesmen of the party. But it's become so disaggregated now in the podcast era that people are, are chasing a lot of, a lot of audience, I think by being increasingly just out there because that's what will get attention online. It's very hard to get attention online these days because there are so many options. So I think the incentives are kind of in the, in the wrong direction. But also my bigger philosophical point on this, and we weren't even planning to really talk about this that much. We can talk about the, the pending coup in Venezuela later. But my bigger point on this, Clay, is I think because the Trump movement has been so successful and it feels like our, our political enemies are so routed, at least temporarily. Keep saying it. It's temporary that now there's a lot of infighting that's happening on the right. That's much more about, it's much more ego driven than it is mission driven, I will say that. And I find that disconcerting because there are a lot of people who will never have to work another day in their life and never have to worry about, you know, paying the bills for themselves, their kids or their kids, kids, kids. Because they stood with the movement and sure, they built up a successful program or whatever it is. They have an obligation not to do things that tear the country down now. And they have an obligation, I think, to stay on the team that brought us to this point and not start going crazy out there. So that's just how I feel about it. Again, no names, don't tag me with names. Is this who you're talking about? I just, I just don't want craziness on our side. That's, that's not factual. That's not reasonable. Because then this gives a lot of breathing room, a lot of oxygen for the left to come back and be like, look at how crazy they are. Yeah, we used to be crazy, Clay, but now we're focused on affordability. Now we just care about health care and affordability while they're squabbling over Marjorie Taylor Greene. I don't like it.

[Clay Travis]

I think it's well said and it's increasingly becoming, I think, an issue and it's going to be distracting. And as the midterms come around, I do think one of the subtexts of Trump Mamdani is Trump is recognizing that people are very frustrated about what goods cost. And that to a large extent, 2026 is probably going to be a referendum on whether people think goods are affordable or not. That's. He's fixed the border. Crime, as we talked about already on the program, is coming down substantially. But I said it the other day, things just cost way more than you think they should. And I was at Subway again last night with my 15 year old and I dropped this time 28 bucks on a couple of Subway meals. And that seems high to me. And I think a lot of you feel that every time you buy goods out there. Big things happening at Legacy Box this week. Their Black Friday sale puts the digital transfer Service on sale 65% off regular prices. One time of the year you can score great savings and finally digitally transfer your family's memories on videotape film photos. Look, I toured their facilities in Chattanooga. They are fantastic. If you're out there right now and you don't know what to get family members for Christmas and there's a lot of you out there, what are we basically four weeks away? Believe it or not, tomorrow. Am I correct in that I think it's four weeks till Christmas tomorrow? If you are in the camp right now and you're trying to figure out what exactly is the right choice for you and your family, Legacy Box can make a huge difference. They can preserve forever your old VHS H high eight film reels over 12 different types of old school media and right now it's 65 off. Go online legacybox.com My name Clay. For early access, best deal of the year. That's the legacybox.com clay one more time. Legacy box.com clay news you can count on and some laughs too.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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