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Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
Welcome in Wednesday Edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton show the sun is in fact up after a dark night and I'm in New York City and it is certainly a very dark morning in New York City we will dive into, as you might well imagine, Mamdani's huge win. The wins in New Jersey and in Virginia for the Democrat candidates. It is the one year anniversary of Trump's big win. And certainly the Democrats who hate Trump, well, they have not stopped hating Trump. And to me, Buck, there are two big takeaways that I have and then I'm curious whether you co sign or whether you have different takeaways. And to me, let's start with New York City. This is not an upset. Momdani won a majority of the vote in one of the highest turnout elections that New York City has seen in most of the listeners lives out there. So all of our W people open phone lines, by the way, producer Greg will open them. If all of you Curtis Sliwa people would like to call in and apologize to me for correctly pointing out that he had 0% chance of winning and that honestly I do think if he had dropped out earlier and it had been a Cuomo against mom Donnie straight up election, I think that Cuomo may have been able to win. The latest numbers that I saw, Buck, unless more have come in, is that mom Donnie won right around 50.4% of the vote. That is just barely over a majority and that the rest was split between Sliwa and so New York City starting there. What was your take? My biggest take is like, this is what New York wanted.
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Clay Travis
The polls were all correct. Let's take a moment because we get a lot of. Oh, you can't trust the polls. You can't. No, the polls were pretty much spot on. The people that were leading all one and the margins were more or less what was expected. Virginia might have been a little bigger than expected. But look, we lost the governor's mansion in Virginia. We lost a. Well, we didn't win the contest for the governor's mansion in New Jersey. We've got a communist mayor of New York City inbound Clay. I am wearing Soviet Union red today in solidarity with Comrade Zoran. But the political consensus, the wisdom of the chattering class, whatever you want to call it, was locked in. Correct. And everything that we told you to be fair was also correct. None of this. I was hopeful that maybe we would steal something from New Jersey, but we didn't. So it was not a, not a strong night. Look, these are very tough races in very tough spaces for not just a Republican, but for sanity. I mean, this is like the Heart of darkness. When you're talking about New York City. You're talking about, you know, the Northern Part of Virginia, which now dominates the state. Clay, I will say, and we, we're going to get into the demographic data too here that also completely aligned with what we thought. If you thought some group was going to vote Mamdani, they did. By the way, Mamdani got over 90% of the black vote, something that was not talked about very much in advance of, of the election. So that was the single strongest demographic for Mom Donnie. But there are many, you know, young women, millennials, Hispanics, Asians. There's all these breakdowns of the data. We'll see. Clay. I think that at the biggest level, at the 30,000 foot view, this is a reminder that economics is still the dominant political issue in America. Wherever you are. People are worried about prices, they're worried about cost of living, they're worried about their future and their children's future or even their ability to have children because of the future that they see and the political party that addresses that with more aplomb, not just more accuracy. Zoron was more fun than the other guys. Yeah, he's a communist. He's going to ruin New York. We all get that, right? But Clay, who was more entertaining, who was more engaging, who seemed like he wanted it more, it's not even close. Cuomo barely showed up.
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Buck Sexton
New York City's in trouble with Mom Donnie, but they voted for him for sure. The turnout was huge. Here's what I would say about Virginia and New Jersey. And I think this is where not only do we look at the results, but we have to spin it forward and we have to do it honestly. Trump got more votes in New Jersey and in Virginia last year than either of the winning candidates did. Mickey Sherrill or Spanberger. Okay, why do I say that? Yes, it was a presidential election. Yes, it's a off year election, but that always happens in New Jersey and Virginia. 600,000 Trump voters. Buck did not show up and vote in both New Jersey and in Virginia, 600,000. Some of you are listening to us right now and you didn't go vote even though we told you to go vote.
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Clay Travis
Ok, Shame.
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Buck Sexton
What does that mean going forward? The people, Buck, who hate Trump, they show up. Their brains are broken. They will show up at a school board vote because they hate Trump. The people who love Trump, they don't show up when Trump's not on the ballot. And so that is ominous for 2026, and candidly, it's ominous for 2028, which is why I have told you the pivot is coming very soon to Trump's voters won't show up in 28. And they're going to say Trump's voters won't show up in 26. And that is to me the biggest, most impactful thing about what happened last night. 600,000 people less showed up in New Jersey and Virginia. It wasn't that somehow these Democrats won and turned out unbelievable numbers. The numbers in New York City were unbelievable. They were good.
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Clay Travis
I mean, they actually did do a good job of turnout, I think in New York particularly.
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Buck Sexton
But in New York, New York City. But that's why I said it's two different takes. New York City, they said, we want Commie Momdani. He's our guy. We are excited to go to the polls and make this guy the next mayor. You said it's because he's exciting. I mean, I think that he ran, I think you got to give him credit, a great campaign and he delivered based on an awful, awful pitch, reality wise. But in New Jersey and Virginia, the biggest story to me is Trump's people didn't show up.
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Clay Travis
There is a fundamental reality that the GOP is going to have to address. Look, this is an off year election. This was Democrat home turf, really across the board. I mean, Virginia is a purple blue state. I know we had that, that nice, that nice off year win before with Youngkin Winsome. Sears seems like a wonderful lady and just a very good person. A completely unmemorable campaign. Not to be mean. I think she's very impressive and I obviously would have voted for her if I lived in Virginia, but just not a campaigner. You know, you can be a good leader, you can be a good decider, but not really a campaigner. Zoron is kind of funny, Clay. He's the opposite. Zoron created a show. Zoron remembered the lessons of Saul Alinsky. Go back and read Rules for Radicals, everybody. Alinsky.
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Buck Sexton
There was.
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Clay Travis
There is an evil brilliance to so much that is in that book. One of the things is make it fun.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Clay Travis
Make it an activity. Make activism something people want to show up to because they'll feel cool and they'll laugh and they'll be with their friends. And Zoran managed to do that. Now Trump has had that same effect on the right. Trump is both a political and a cultural phenomenon. People show up with their MAGA hats. People show up feeling like they are part of something. The big question for 28, more so even than 26, I think Clay is how does the MAGA movement coalesce around an heir apparent? How does Trump play into that. And this is going to be something we talk a lot about in the next year. But in the meantime, the economy, and that means health care, that means inflation, the cost of rent, the cost of groceries, the cost of everything. You got to have messaging on this, everyone, or else the commies will be in charge.
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Buck Sexton
Here is a funny tweet on this because we are going to try to have some humor, because sometimes you get your ass.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, it's all going to be fine.
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Buck Sexton
Have a little bit of black sense of humor, right? A dark sense of humor.
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Clay Travis
I told my parents, just make sure that go bags are by the front door. I'm here in Florida. If you got to flee, you know where to go. They're fine.
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Buck Sexton
Brad Chadlington. I don't know who he is, but I saw this, and I thought it was so funny. The richest, whitest, most sheltered girl, you know, from the wealthiest suburb in the country is posting a picture of Zoran Mamdani on her story right now, captioned Power to the people from her SoHo apartment. That's paid for by her wealthy, conservative father. There is a lot of truth to this, because the more recently you arrived in New York City, I saw a breakdown based on length of time that people have lived in New York City. The more likely you were to vote for mom. Donnie. Overwhelming majority, I think it was 82% I saw, of people that have gotten to New York City in the last decade. Now, a lot of those are immigrants, right? Which is a whole big discussion in general. But a lot of those people are actually just young college kids, like the girl probably, that I just described.
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Clay Travis
Well, we got to slow immigration down in general. This is another conversation that everyone needs to have. If you have the largest city in America with being largely determined, its future being determined by people who have been in America for only a couple of years, that's. That's a problem. That's actually not what you want. No other country would allow that. Yeah, I know that. We're. We've been brainwashed to believe that. That's all. You know, if you just came across the border, even if you're illegal, you're as American as everybody who's ever been here. And even if their family's been here for generations, that is not true. And we have to have a discussion about that as well. We're good. We've had a lot of immigration, you know, we've had a lot of legal immigration, a lot of illegal immigration. It's time to tighten up some of these numbers a little bit and let Assimilation and Americanism and Americanizing take place for everybody. It can't just be this wide open door and you get people coming here from all over the world who are saying, you know what? I want communism. That's not good. That's not gonna help us very much here. By the way, the country went through this before. The city of Chicago in particular, Clay. Right. Right around the turn of the 20th century, there were all kinds of commies and socialists and anarchists who were showing up. And it was a real concern then.
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Buck Sexton
The, the biggest issue, I would say, with illegal immigration and immigration now is back in the day when we had, you know, where I am right now in New York City, huge Irish populations, huge Italian populations, huge numbers of immigrants. A lot of them still came from a Western civilization culture that recognized that Western civilization. And yes, Christianity, although it might have been Catholic. Remember the big battle there was between Protestants and Catholics. There was a common floor of agreement on some level. A lot of people coming now, which is certainly incredibly ironic, are arguing America's an awful place. Oh, and America's history is awful.
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Clay Travis
And this. Well, I think it's even worse, Clay, because there's also. This is a spoils system that people now arrive. And you see this in Minneapolis and you see this in New York, and you see this in cities where there is a particularly increasingly obvious tribal, newly arrived political attitude. Like, I have arrived. I'm going to vote as a voting bloc to dispossess the natives, the ones who have been here. And by the way, to be very clear, that's all Americans. That's white, black, Asian, Latino. But it's people that were born here, people that were raised here, people that are American. There's now the new arrivals that are saying, why do I even have to. Why do I even have to conform? Why do I have to learn English even, or do any of this stuff? I'm just going to stay with my voting bloc here. Do you see? By the way, if you want to look at a version of this, Sweden, the Netherlands, they've got big problems. These people show up and they say, I just want the welfare state and I'm going to have nothing to do with your culture and your society. Now, look, this is a very complicated, broad discussion with a lot of things going on. But in New York, it is very stark. People who are college educated and young, who have been brainwashed, I will just say it. They have been brainwashed. They do not know. The other problem on this though, is they are getting screwed by not having assets because of the inflationary policies of both Democrats and Republicans and the way that we've created a system that unfortunately is intergenerational theft. No one wants to hear that, but it's true. $37 trillion of debt. This is a problem. We do actually have to deal with this. So there's a lot, a lot of lessons I think you can take from this. But there's nothing dire here. It's an off year election. We expected all these results, Clay.
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Buck Sexton
We told people that these results were coming and a lot of people out there said, I don't believe the polls. Remember Hillary, Clay, you're the reason Slee was going to win. When I said, okay, I'll wear a beret for like, he got seven and a half percent of the vote. Yeah, seven and a half percent of the vote.
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Clay Travis
I think I could have gotten seven and a half percent of the vote, honestly.
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Buck Sexton
I mean, you know, I think you would have gotten more than seven and a half percent of the vote.
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Clay Travis
So, you know, a native son of New York, formerly of the nypd, he's got some, he's got decent hair. No beret, but decent hair. Yeah, it was not a good showing for Sliwa.
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Buck Sexton
You fled the city just in time, by the way. A lot of people are gonna say, buck, you know, got out.
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Clay Travis
I mean, I'm actually, I'm actually closing on a Florida property today, an investment.
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Buck Sexton
So, by the way, I've, I've been told we could have some fun with this, too. Real estate agents legitimately in Florida and Tennessee and Texas are being flooded with calls right now.
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Clay Travis
I wonder, is that really. I'm send some messages out because everybody in Florida has a real estate license. So I'm going to ask some of my buddies here.
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Buck Sexton
It is 100% real. Now, people may not act on it, but there's a lot of people waking up in New York this morning saying, this is just. They went through Covid. They dealt with all of the things that had to do with Eric Adams. But this is much worse.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
Oh, yeah, he's just quit.
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Clay Travis
He's just done with everything because he's.
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Buck Sexton
Living the same day over and over again.
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Clay Travis
Groundhog Day. Underrated movie.
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Buck Sexton
I might.
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Clay Travis
It's just a. It's. It's funny. You can watch it over and over again. Look at that. The irony. It's a great movie. I just always remember Bill Murray, like, so just. He's just had it right. We're not there. Everything's gonna be fine. Everything's gonna be fine. But we gotta fight. We gotta win. We gotta stay focused. That is. That is baked in here. That is all a part of this. And this is the situation as we see it. In New Jersey, it was a close call, but a very. They ran two female, very establishment candidates in New for Democrats in New Jersey and in Virginia. And let's just say it, it was a smart play for them. Women are the constituency of the Democrat, I should say, particularly young and unmarried women are a primary constituency of the Democrat Party right now. And they ran against Trump. Clay, in these states. Isn't that. It's so interesting. You get to run to be the governor. Here's Mikey Sherrill. You get to run to be the governor of New Jersey. But instead of having to explain why Democrats run New Jersey so poorly, instead of that, they have, oh, we have no kings here. And that gets their base all fired up. Like, this is Looney tunes stuff. Play 17.
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Clay Travis
Ok, idea here. Theory, theory here. I'm going to float something out to you. So the Trump is a Nazi thing has been. They have beaten that dead horse so much. I mean, they have pushed that so much. And yet Trump, as we know, close ally of Israel, by the way, despite a lot of the noise on the right these days about Israel and Jews in America and everything, Trump is the closest friend that Israel has Ever had. I noticed that some of these voices on the right that are critical of AIPAC and Israel and everything. Not critical of Trump, though. Very interesting how that happens. But anyway, Trump is a close friend of Israel, and so they have to drop. That is it. Now, if you're an emotionally unstable liberal, are you really going with the fighting, Trump is fighting monarchy thing? Is this what the switch is? Now they've gone from Nazis to King Trump.
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Buck Sexton
They just have to convince their base that Trump is a Nazi to such an extent that they will show up. And I mean, to me, Buck, I looked at the numbers this morning. That's the first thing that I did. Trump's base doesn't show up when Trump's not on the ballot. Remember, Obama's base didn't show up when Obama was not on the base on the ballot. I think there are some very popular with the base politicians that have a certain amount of personal magnetism that doesn't translate beyond them. I mean, again, I Look at it, 600,000 fewer people showed up to vote Republican in New Jersey and in Virginia. Yes, look, Democrats, their voters showed up. But, Buck, I think to your point, it's because if you hate Trump, you are way more likely to show up than if you love Trump. When Trump himself is not on the ballot. Democrat. This is why, logically, the Democrat go after Trump thing, it works in midterms. It works when Trump's not on the ballot. I don't think it works very well when Trump is on the ballot. And so this is why I think the. Can we just.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, just for a sec. The resistance thing. Look, it was a little over. A little overdrawn, a little overwrought, you know, the whole thing. But there was like la Resistance in France and, you know, there was like some cool historical parallel, and you could think of yourself as some kind of revolutionary clay. No, Kings, they just sound like a bunch of dorks. Honestly, it's not even a.
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Buck Sexton
It's.
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Clay Travis
Yes, it's delusional and absurd, but also it's. It's like they're slipping. Usually they're. Look, Black Lives Matter. Say what you will about what it has done, and we've said a lot, right? It's been very bad. The slogan, Understanding the. The activist impulse, understanding the power of those words. There was some marketing genius in the Black Lives Matter situation, right? No, Kings, it's lame. It's just lame. This is what I.
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Buck Sexton
It's lame and weak. It might work in the midterms.
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Clay Travis
Ah, you're killing me with this.
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Buck Sexton
1. No, look, yes, it's a blue state. It's New Jersey, it's Virginia. I am always of the opinion, and this is the way that I think. Maybe I'm wrong on this. If you lose, the first thing I want to do is go back and look at what you did. This is why I always tell my kids, when I coach basketball, when I coach football, when I coached baseball, your opponent being good is, to a large extent, beyond your control. An opponent can play really well or really poorly. Now you can make it more difficult. Like all those things. What I always want to control is what I can control. That's the number one rule I think, of life, honestly, control what you can control. 600,000 people in New Jersey and in Virginia who voted for Trump last year did not show up to vote in this 2025 election. Who were those? Who were those people? Some of. Like I said, some of y' all are listening right now. So if they had, then these races would have either been very, very close or Republicans would have won. So Republicans didn't lose because Democrats had better arguments. They lost because the Democrat base was more willing to respond to their argument than the Republican base was to respond to Winston Sears and. And to Citarelli.
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Clay Travis
The Mike, the Mikey Sheryl thing, that was. It was disappointing because I think that Citarelli had a real chance. But then there's Spanberger. And look, let's hear she. Who is. Who is such a. A. What's. What's the. An amorphous phony in so many ways. You know, just talks in circles, doesn't take the. She's going to govern like a radical leftist. People who follow politics and know anything about who she is know that. But not enough for. To your point about people not showing up, Virginians thought, oh, well, you know, it's Governor. Not that. Not all of them, but obviously a fair number of Republicans in Virginia decided or don't just say Trump voters, not even just Republicans. A fair number of Trump voters enough to deliver a W for the Republicans, said, oh, I'm not going to show up. Here's what spanberger says. Play 20.
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Clay Travis
What does that even mean, Clay? Pragmatism over partisanship? You ran in a partisan election and you want. Dudes, in chicks, locker rooms, pragmatism.
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Buck Sexton
I just, I again, I think everybody has to prepare themselves for as moronic as you believe it is to say no kings or Hitler or the base of any right, it is like these people are losers. They are morons. I'm going to be honest with you. If you are showing up at a no Kings protest, I think you are a huge loser who needs to get a life. I don't think there's any other way to describe it, but they have decided that their life's purpose Buck is Trump is a king, Trump is Hitler. And so they're going to show up. So I think for looking forward, what has to happen in order for the coalition that showed up for Trump in 2024 to show up again in 26 and again in 28, those are the questions that I think should be asked as we get ready for the midterms.
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Clay Travis
I think that, and this is something I address in my book, which will be out in February. By the way, have you gotten your copy of Balls? I got my copy of Balls that showed up yesterday. So don't forget on that one, I saw your picture. I'm pushing your book.
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Buck Sexton
I know you are today. I appreciate it. The book is out there. Please go buy it. I love all of you who have bought is everywhere and it is selling really, really well according to the people who can monitor these things. And one of the best selling books in America as we speak.
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Clay Travis
You don't want to get caught without balls. You know what I mean? It's not good.
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Buck Sexton
So you end up voting for Mikey Sherrill or Abigail Spanberger. Mom, Donnie, you don't have balls. You need balls.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, you need them. I would say though, the, the Democrat Party now for the purposes of mobilization, and this is why I was talking about the Nazi thing for Trump and now the no Kings thing and the resistance, anti fascism. They have to get people on their side to believe in a fantasy, in unreality.
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Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Clay Travis
They're not saying show up and vote for the Democrat because we can get higher taxes on high earners and we're going to have a more open borders policy where anybody can claim asylum and they're not. It's Trump is a king.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Clay Travis
Look, honestly, I think Trump being a king would be kind of fun for a little while. But that's a whole other. That's a whole other conversation. That's a whole other conversation. Point is, he's nowhere near a king. All right? He's nowhere near a king. We all know this. They are running against a delusion.
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Buck Sexton
And it works.
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Clay Travis
And it works. Now, that's the troubling part. It works.
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Buck Sexton
So that's why I look forward. I mean, look, the reality is, most of our lives, if you live in Virginia or New Jersey, that can be different. Certainly if you live in New York City, that can be different. But for the vast majority of people listening right now, our lives are not going to change substantially based on what happened last night. But in the midterms, the first thing they're going to do if they take back the House is impeach Donald Trump, and they're just going to throw themselves athwart all of governance and refuse to allow anything at all to happen if they take back the House. And obviously, in 2028, whomever is elected as the next the president and certainly the Republican nominee is going to impact a lot of people out there. So my point on all this is they're going to look at these results and they're going to say our base still turns out against Trump. And so I would suspect that will be their entire campaign next year.
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Clay Travis
Well, the midterms, that is absolutely the case. It is. The midterms is just a Stop Trump election for them. And that may be enough. Now, we're going to have to have people understand if the Democrats even just take the House, never mind the Senate, the Trump agenda is over.
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Buck Sexton
Correct.
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Clay Travis
Effectively, it's dead in the water. Legislatively, you may be able to get some cool exact. You know, you might get really creative with some executive orders.
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Buck Sexton
We should mention. The Supreme Court is really hearing whether he has the authority on tariffs. That happened today, too. It kind of got snowed under in the election results.
- [35:32]
Clay Travis
So there's that. That might be the most destructive Supreme Court decision since they decided that you could tax inactivity with Obamacare, which now we all see, I might add. Clay, do you see what the policies would be without the subsidies for some family of four policies for health care? 40, 50 grand a year. 40 or $50,000 a year for insurance? Not for health care. For insurance. For health care. This is what Obamacare hath wrought America. Madness. Thank you, Supreme Court. Thank you, John Roberts.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, it's totally broken. And the whole concept of paying for insurance is predicated on. I hate the insurance industry in general. Apologies to all the insurance agents out there. It's the only thing you're forced to buy that you hope you never use. In all seriousness, like, right, the amount that you spend and I spend on car insurance and health insurance and home insurance and everything Else and the vast majority of people will never use it, which is why the industry exists at all. It drives me insane.
- [36:37]
Clay Travis
I don't know why. I know it's nowhere near Groundhog Day, but now I'm thinking of Ned Ryerson from Groundhog Day. Remember the insurance salesman that he meets on the street? That guy does a, he's a character actor, does a great job.
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Buck Sexton
Business. I don't begrudge the insurance business. How many times can you get paid for something that, that, that people never use? I mean, that's the entire foundation of the insurance. But our medical system is broken because there is no actual transparency on cost. If I could change one thing and just wave a magic wand, it would be that everybody knows what insurance cost.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
You don't know what you don't know, right? But you could. On the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck Podcast. Welcome back in Clay, Travis, BUCK Sexton SHOW Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the second hour of the program reacting to the election results in Virginia, in New Jersey and in New York City. And we had a caller as we went to break there, Buck talking about the J. Jones situation. He was the candidate for attorney general in Virginia who it was revealed had said awful things about his political opponents, that he wanted his kids to die, the political opponents of his kids, that he would piss on their graves. And he won and he won 53 basically to 47. And I believe we have the data here. I was going to play it for Spock. Cut 22 just 46% of Virginia voters thought saying that you wanted your kid, the kids of your political opponents to be killed and you would piss on their graves if it happened was disqualifying. SANDRA SMITH, FOX NEWS 22 if you.
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Buck Sexton
So Buck, to me, this is the worst part of the election results because I'm not surprised. We talked about the fact that New Jersey is a blue state. It occasionally elects Republicans. Most of the time it does not. And so the fact that Cheryl won, not a huge surprise, the fact that Virginia flipped back. Virginia, almost always the winning party is the opposition to who the president is. But this thing, I thought that Jason Miarez, who we had on the program, I thought he would win because if you're the chief law enforcement officer of a state, I'm not sure exactly what the standard on behavior should be, but wishing that the kids of your political opponents were murdered and that if it happened, you would piss on their graves and that having been written out on being a text, it would be disqualifying to me. I'd be like, I don't know that I can trust the judgment of this guy. Virginia didn't care.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, I think that, look, this is disconcerting because you also would like to think, I mean, I don't want to get too deep into this, but the country's been through a lot. The country's been through a lot of stuff that we would never want to see again. And so I would hope that, that the general electorate. I'm not talking about lunatics on. On Blue sky or Blue Star or whatever, you know, the left wing Twitter. I would hope that normal Americans would really have a problem with the kind of stuff that this guy, who is supposed to be a senior law enforcement officer.
- [42:27]
Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Clay Travis
Was saying. And the fact that they don't have a problem with it at all is important for everyone to understand the mentality and what we're opposing here and what we're dealing with, that's where this is. You need to recognize that while they're claiming no kings and while they're saying Trump is so coarse and Trump is so awful, on the other side of things. On the other side of things.
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Buck Sexton
They.
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Clay Travis
Will allow someone to become a senior law enforcement officer who does this. Right. So they don't actually have any standards. Clay is the reality. There's not any moral or ethical clarity. It's, we want what we want. We support our team no matter what. And we're going to say whatever we want about your team, no matter how absurd, crazy, defamatory or destructive it is. And we're only gonna talk about tamping down political violence when our side, the left, actually does it. Which, as we know, the left is the one that has the problem with political violence that is reality. They're only gonna say, maybe we should calm both sides down after their side does something horrible and they take no ownership for the climate, the temperature, any of that stuff.
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Buck Sexton
And it speaks to the fact that all that mattered was that J. Jones was a Democrat. And, I mean, this makes me, like, kind of want to puke a little bit, but what do you think J. Jones said after he was elected? This is the guy who wanted the kids of his political opponents murdered. Said he would piss on their graves. Here's what he said in his acceptance speech. Cut 21.
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Jason Mears (clip)
I will defend the rights of every single Virginian. I will protect our jobs, our health care and our economy from Donald Trump's attacks. I will always work to protect a woman's right to an abortion here in Virginia. Donald Trump, MAGA and those corporate special interests believe that Virginia's government should be beholden to them. But tonight, we sent a loud message to them and to every single person across this country. Virginia belongs to the people. Together we stand firm against the people who would take us backward. We will use tonight as a springboard to reject the politics of divisiveness and division.
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Buck Sexton
You wanted to kill the kids of your opponents. How in the world, in your acceptance speech, are you saying you're fighting back against the politics of division? Again, I look at, at some of this and I just say, in many respects, this, this is. You know, if I lived in a state that was regularly electing Democrats, I don't think I could live in that state anymore. And I understand, because 40% of people are going to vote the other way in any state. Right. So California, 60, 40, you know, Democrat. And my state is going to be pretty comfortably 60, 40 Republican in Tennessee for the rest of my life. I don't think I could live in a state that would elect someone like Jay Jones. I'm just. I'm just being honest with you. If you can elect someone as the chief law enforcement officer of your state that said he wants to see the kids of a political opponent murdered and that if it happened, he would piss on their graves, how can you feel comfortable living in that state? And I understand a lot of you in southwest Virginia are listening to us right now. Very different vibe than what happens in Northern Virginia. But this guy's the chief law enforcement officer of your state now. How can you trust any decision that he makes? And how can you trust any decision that your fellow neighbors in Virginia have made? Again, I don't think I could live in a blue state right now.
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Clay Travis
And also all these people at these no Kings protests, as we were discussing, who were always whining on about civility and decency and how Trump is so coarse and Trump goes too far and all this stuff. We're the ones who had our president and presidential candidate shot through the ear and almost shot again. We're the ones who are still processing the horrendous grief of losing our friend and incredible political force, Charlie Kirk, to an assassin's bullet. We're the ones that are having to always say, okay, I know there's a lot of crazies on your side, but for the betterment of the country, we're gonna try to move forward and stay calm. And then they have something like this.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Clay Travis
Where it would be very clear. I mean, no one say, you know, it's not like this is a presidential election where you say, well, but I'll do anything to make sure that abortion stays legal nationally or whatever it is. This is for the attorney general of his state. And you're really going to put forward this guy. Look, the other thing we haven't even mentioned Alvin Bragg in New York City got reelected.
- [47:29]
Buck Sexton
Well, of course that doesn't. I mean, that doesn't surprise me at all. I mean, Letitia James, if she is able, will get elected for the rest of her life or as long as people are willing to, are able to claim that Trump is Hitler and everything else. But Virginia, this surprised me. This was the only result that I saw. And I thought, wow. Because again, New Jersey governor, Virginia Governor, Democrats traditionally win. They're favored. They didn't vote for Trump in those states. But for the attorney general to have those texts, to have it come out, and for him to win, not only win buck, but win by, I think, six and a half points, which means that it really wasn't that close and that not even very many people ticket split. Even if you were a Democrat supporter, you didn't say, okay, you know what, I'll vote Spanberger for governor, but I'm going to draw the line at wanting my kids, wanting the kids of political opponents murdered Democrats were just like, nope, I'm sticking with J. Jones. And then for him to come out and say in his reelection or his election speech night victory, we got to work on divisiveness. We're going to tamp down divisiveness. Like what so many of these people.
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Clay Travis
That's spitting in the face of everyone who's paying attention. That's what that is. That's, that's meant to be. That's like Gavin Newsom saying he hates politicians who lie.
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Buck Sexton
I just, yes, that's exactly what that is. But it also makes me hate politicians. The more time I spend listening to some of these morons talk, the more time I spend thinking, we need way better politicians. We are not being led by the best and brightest among us, candidly. And so look, I can be angry at voters, and I am because they put J. Jones in office, but J. Jones is a moron, violent, incompetent, and he was able to get elected. And you just said, buck. Did you listen? I'm Expandberger, Mickey Sherrill. These are the most bland, uninteresting, not particularly inspiring candidates that are on the planet, and yet they're out there. Like, I just, they're just a Trojan.
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Clay Travis
They're just a Trojan horse for the left wing agenda, which is exactly what you and I and so many others said was going to be true of Biden in 2020. Oh, good old Joe. You know, he's a, he's a moderate. He's a guy you can trust. He's a union guy. All lies, all lies. The White House was putting out stuff about transgender surgery for minors being critical care. The White House was Doing that under Joe Biden. OK, we need to have 12 year olds on hormone therapy ASAP because the left is insane. You're going to get the same thing with these women who, you know, Mikey, Sheryl, apparently her whole campaign is like, I went to the Naval Academy. OK, yeah, you know, 30 years. I mean, that's nice. But that was it from what I understand. And Allison Spanberger. Abigail, Allison, whatever. And a Spamberger. She was just, I'm not Trump. No kings. And unfortunately, that was enough with all of the brainless, brainless automatons that go along with that stuff.
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Buck Sexton
What would you be thinking if you still lived in New York City? You know, I was saying earlier I couldn't live. Like, if you were still living in New York City, would you? I know you made the decision to move to Miami because you saw this coming, but do you think if you were waking up in New York City this morning, you would be. Would it be your tipping point in some way if you had managed to stay?
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Clay Travis
That's interesting. I think if you were willing to put up with what happened after Covid, you're willing to see how it goes, willing to roll the dice with this. I don't expect there'll be a big outflow of people. I don't expect that.
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Buck Sexton
So I just, I look at this, I mean, when I see the Jay Jones, when I see the mom Donnie thing, I don't think I could live in a place where people would make decisions like these because I would just walk around all the time. Like, how can I trust anything here? Because I mean, to vote for someone who wanted to see his political opponents, kids murdered is so far, people's like, well, Trump said some salacious that, yeah, he talked about how to grab chicks. Okay, like that's so. That's ridiculous. But it's clear. Like locker room talk ridiculousness. It's Trump, right? Like, this is hey, I'm on a text mess. He's telling what he thinks is a joke, trying to make somebody laugh. This is on a text message. And the woman he was texting with, Buck was like, you don't really mean that. Like you're kind of getting carried away. And he's like, no, I really mean it. And I would piss on their graves. Like, she gave him an offer amp of like, hey, you just got carried away a little bit on a text. You don't want to.
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Clay Travis
She realized what you said is so shameful. Like you can't actually. Let's give you the opportunity to not be a total, you know, demonic freak and he decided to double down on it. And now he's going to be determining who goes to prison.
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Buck Sexton
Correct.
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Clay Travis
And who's prosecuted in the state of Virginia. Think about that.
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Buck Sexton
No, arguably it's the most important job in many ways in the state of Virginia. And certainly it's one where judgment matters more than most because everything you do is look at cases and determine what are the cases that should be brought. And Jason Mears, by the way, was doing a really good job as the sitting attorney general. So it's not only that he got elected, it's that he beat an incumbent that was running for reelection, having done a good job. We'll take some of your calls. Ryan Garduski, our buddy's going to join us top of the third hour, give you a little bit of a data analysis of what he saw in the numbers. In the meantime, the Tunnel the Towers foundation honors America's heroes and their families when tragedy strikes in the hours after Manhattan was attacked on 9 11. The tunnel to Towers foundation was created to help the families that lost loved ones in uniform that day, running towards destruction, not away from it. Since then, Tunnel Towers foundation has done all they can to help families that have lost a hero in the line of duty. Your generosity has provided mortgage free homes to thousands of families worried about the roofs over their head. That same generosity has helped severely injured combat veterans return home to live in smart homes specially adapted to their needs. The Tunnel of the Towers foundation makes this pledge we will never forget. So many of us echo that same sentiment. More heroes are waiting and in need of assistance. Honor their sacrifices. Now join us in donating $11 a month to Tunnel the Towers. @t2t.org that's tthenumber2t.org news and politics, but also a little comic relief. Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton, find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Oh my friends, a lot of you want to weigh in on a lot of things, but one thing that we mentioned, that this unfortunately could be a bit of a problem. Supreme Court looking at Trump's tariffs, which remember a little bit of review here, we were told they would be so bad for the economy. Meanwhile, they've been, it seems, hundreds of billions of dollars in the American coffer and the economy is doing just great, at least when it comes to trade, the stock market, investment, things like that. Yes, prices are high. But and some people said, well, prices are going to rise a lot because of tariffs. We Actually haven't seen that. If they've risen, they've risen a little bit. But that's something that's certainly on everyone's mind because if the Supreme Court were to say Trump's tariffs are unconstitutional, we have a problem. This is cut 33. Trump just in Miami, my city here. Here's what he's saying. Play it.
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Donald Trump (clip)
100% of the jobs have come from the private sector. Otherwise you don't have a country. I mean, I love government workers, but if you have all government workers, you don't have a country, do you? At the same time, my tariffs are bringing in hundreds of billions of dollars that are helping slash the deficit this year by more than 50%. Did you see those numbers? We're going to be down 50%, anywhere from 25 to 50, but closer to 50% to. Who would think of that one?
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Clay Travis
Those are big numbers, Clay, what everyone thinks of the tariffs, if they were to get undermined by the supreme or effectively done away with by the Supreme Court, that's going to get messy. What do you even do?
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Buck Sexton
It's, it's not dissimilar in my mind, Buck, to how you end birthright citizenship. Sometimes the law has just been applied for so long and so significantly you would have to give refunds. It would turn into a real mess. So a part of me wonders if they could say, hey, we don't think this is constitutional. But it's also, also incredibly difficult for the court to argue, to order a remediation in some way in this perspective. So they could try to instruct Congress to see if Congress would vote to give the President the authority. Right, because this is really a separation of powers argument. It's, does the President have the power under emergency declarations to put in place tariffs? This is a big picture analysis. Or should with the power of the purse, Congress have to make a decision of this magnitude? And so you have all three powers of separation of power elements here. The court trying to tell Congress what they should have done and what the President can't do and delineate those differences. It is somewhat complicated to go back, we were talking about this off air and say, oh, by the way, that $400 billion that the president has already collected in tariffs, roughly maybe it's 300 billion now, certainly projected towards 400, it has to somehow be refunded. That's first of all going to increase the deficit, obviously, but also complicated to figure out how to reassess and reallocate those dollars. So this is actually an incredibly significant but also incredibly complicated Supreme Court case that was taking place this morning.
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Clay Travis
How do you think it shakes out, Mr. Lawyer Hat Clay?
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Buck Sexton
A part of me thinks that they will say that the President doesn't have the authority to do it and try to put a end of year timeline. This is just totally making it up, right? Because I think going back and taking away the dollars that have already come into the government and making the government give refunds is complicated. The easy out I would think would be trying to figure out if there's a congressional bill that could be passed to rubber stamp what Trump's already done.
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Buck Sexton
Yes, I'm sure that's true.
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Clay Travis
What's up Randy?
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Caller Randy
I live on the intracoastal so please go inland in Jupiter. But yes, it's paradise every day.
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Buck Sexton
What you got for us?
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Caller Randy
Wanted to get some help here on the tariff thing. The other night club 47 USA hosted Eric Trump speaking and we were trying to figure this out. I thought that the Constitution gave the. I don't know in the Constitution, wasn't tariffs part of our original revenue source for the federal government long before the income tax amendment ever came about? I thought tariffs was a legitimate revenue source and we're needing some help to understand.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, so that's a great question. And I'm sure that tariffs were incredibly impactful. I mean look, the Boston Tea Party in many ways was funded by tariffs, right? If I'm remembering correctly, the cost that they were demanding that the colonies pay in order to import tea and other substances.
- [65:12]
Clay Travis
Well, the stamp, the Stamp Act. Remember this from ap, AP American History.
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Buck Sexton
The Intolerable Acts. My understanding, and I will be 100% transparent, I do not do tariff law and have never done tariff law as part of my legal practice. I do know a little bit about maritime law, by the way, which is maybe somewhat closely interlocked at times. My understanding is that Trump has cited specifically a 1970s era law which was passed that gives the President the authority to mandate tariffs in times of emergency. My understanding of this dispute is Trump has cited, among other things, I think two primary things. And guys, I Don't have the Wall Street Journal with me this morning, but I was reading in their editorial breaking this down, if I remember correctly, one of them is the drug crisis, fentanyl and the fact that it's been allowed to be brought into this country. And he is saying that is a crisis based on the number of people that are being killed. And then I think there is an illegal immigration aspect associated with this as well that he has used as the and by the way, Congress gave the authority to the president to enact that, that those actions. The question so far as I understand it to be, and if there is a constitutional scholar out there, 800-282-282 who can pronounce and discuss this to a better degree, the question that is at stake that the Constitution that they debated this morning was has Trump exceeded the authority of that 1970s era statute in taking the power to mandate these emergency tariffs by basically taking away the power that otherwise would have resided with Congress? So the argument against the tariffs is that Congress has the power to levy the tariffs now. Now maybe you're talking about back in the day in the Articles of Confederation day in the colony days and maybe even in the early days of the country. But the authority to enact tariffs, I believe is with Congress. And one reason they wanted that was obviously separation of powers in general. But I think rooted historically in the fact that tariffs had been such a significant issue for the colonies back in the day. They didn't want one unitary executive necessarily with the store, with the ability. And all of you who took government back in the day, remember the power of the purse historically and constitutionally has resided with the Congress.
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Clay Travis
I think Professor Clay's history class would be a well attended, well attended seminar. I really do.
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Buck Sexton
I don't want to swear that every single element of that is 100% correct, but I think I got most of it correct. It's a smart question, but Randy is asking a deep historical question. Again, this is rooted in the authority of a 1970 statute that the Trump administration has cited as the authority for the president to unilaterally impose tariffs across a broad swath of the global trade and commerce.
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Clay Travis
Indeed. We have more coming in here on this one. A lot of folks with a lot of thoughts. Where were we here a second ago? VIP email from Lewis. Election summary in one word, hate, a powerful emotion and it has been manipulated against core Americans. This just goes to show the Democrat Party has become the party of hate. That was the platform in each race. And unfortunately the Democrat Party is taught to Hate from an early age or socially indoctrinated embrace hate. Not one Democrat candidate had any solution for the people, just a platform to tear down and stop Trump. We need to take note and fully understand what is coming. History is repeating itself, Louis. I think that there are, there's certainly a lot of anger and rage and hate on the left. I think that envy is one of the most, unfortunately, one of the most powerful political mobilization tools that exists, especially for people who are of the leftist, redistributive, collectivist, Marxist mindset that you can always find people. Because the truth is that the material conditions of the New Yorkers even who are all pro Mamdani. First of all, what Clay read was so hilarious, so true. There are a lot of heiresses in Chappaqua who are like, I love Mandani. Mandani's the best. You know, they're all, all about it and they love pretending to be these radicals that care so much about the poor. I mean, they're gonna live in the highest income, most non diverse neighborhood they possibly can personally, but they want everybody else to, you know, have like community housing and no laws and no cops.
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Buck Sexton
Let me step back in. Professor Clay here a minute, Buck. Trade deficits was what one and fentanyl were the two emergencies that Trump cited. 1979 law that was passed. Amy Coney Barrett talked about the challenges of returning these tariffs. She said, what would, how would the government refund billions of dollars in tariffs? And the lawyer who is suing said, representing small businesses, said the court could make its ruling prospective only meaning no refunds would be necessary. It would only start. That's kind of what I said. It would start at a certain date. And I do think that that is, that is a huge part of this as well. But again, the question is what is an emergency? Right? There are many different levels here. And this is kind of a fun legal question, but what is an emergency? And how long would an emergency last within the context of this law that the Trump administration has cited as the legal authority? John, in San Diego, this seems like it could be a super nerd call, but I'm kind of impressed by it. John, you say you remember. Well, tell us your take here.
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Clay Travis
Okay.
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Caller Randy
It's real simple. The original Constitution only provides for impost and ex post for taxes. And an impost is a tax on imports, which is a tariff, and exposed is an excise tax on domestic goods.
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Buck Sexton
So thank you for the call. Sorry to continue your. Initially, the government was designed to be small, and we did not get the authority for the income tax. It started, if I'm remembering correct, because I bet, John, you're going to be a nerd here and know this. If I remember correctly, during the Civil War for Abraham Lincoln to pay for the Civil War. Am I correct in that?
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Caller Randy
And then it was canceled. The permanent one started in 1913 with the 16th Amendment.
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Buck Sexton
Yes. Okay, thank you for the call. A lot of people don't know that, Buck. There was no income tax in the United States until the Civil War. Abraham Lincoln has to pay for the Civil War. Once the war is over, they do away with it. And then in the early 1900s, they said, hey, we're going to go back to this and all of you are going to pay us, you know, 30 plus percent of everything you make.
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Clay Travis
This reminds me very much of the discussion here in Florida about eliminating property tax for homesteaded properties. And I keep seeing people say, but, but where will the money come from? There's plenty of money. And the property taxes that would. You're talking about something like 6% of the, of the actual budget of the state of Florida. But everyone gets used to a tax and then thinks that that tax is always going to be there. It's just a question of what the number is. But this country operated just fine without an income tax for a long time. And you start to look at what's going on and where the expenditures are going. And increasingly, my friends, we are paying for a massive welfare state. Massive welfare state in this country. We don't necessarily call it that. But that is what is going on.
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Buck Sexton
Well, not only that, the challenge is whenever you try to restrain the welfare straight state, they're immediately. The talking point is you're trying to cut, trying to cut benefits. You can never, and this is the truth, psychologically, you can never give somebody something and then try to take it back without them willing to basically be going, go to war on you. I mean, this is, look, this is the story of Social Security. The reality is Social Security relies on there always being way more young people than there are old people because it's basically one big pyramid scheme. And guess what's going to happen? We're soon going to start having a lot more old people than we are young people. So where does the money for Social Security come from? And when you tell people that, they say, well, no, no, no, no, no. This is like, this is my money. I've been giving you Social Security money for everyone. Okay, but at some point in time, if the demographics reverse, then you can't take 70%, at least in theory, you can't take 70% of what somebody earns to pay it back out later. And by the way, the fact that the government just takes huge amounts of money from us, Buck, if I die tomorrow, and God forbid my wife dies tomorrow, and once my kids are 18, I get no Social Security benefits, they, they, they, they cease to exist. So really, you're just rolling the dice on how long are you going to live as to whether you ever get any of the money that the government takes for you on, from you on Social Security. And at least you have a possibility of getting that money back. All the other money they take and you're never getting it back. It's an awful. Again, to your point, we just get used to the idea of getting screwed by the government to such an extent that nobody ever really takes a step back and says, do we have to screw everybody like this by the government? To your point, property taxes is ridiculous. You buy a home, you work your whole life, and you have to give the government a huge payment to be able to stay in the home that you owe that you own. I mean, it really is unbelievable.
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Clay Travis
You rent your, you're renting your home from the government and the government can take. The government is your landlord.
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Buck Sexton
If you don't pay your taxes, they will take your home.
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Clay Travis
That you can never actually just own a home that you can live in. You have to always do this thing of continuing to be extracted from. You cannot just exist.
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Buck Sexton
And older people who retire, it becomes brutal on them. Because it's one thing to pay property taxes when you and I are working age. I mean, I don't like it, but at least I'm working. But if I'm 70 and I've lived in the same house for 30 years, those numbers, guess what? They ain't going down. They're going to keep going up. And it becomes more and more. For many of you out there listening to us right now that are fortunate to own homes, you're nodding along, you're saying this is crazy. But yes, we've just accepted that this should happen. And again, the fact that we didn't even have an income tax that was in existence until the early 1900s, it stuns a lot of people because they just presume that we've always been doing this. This.
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Clay Travis
Indeed, indeed, Professor Clay.
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