Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Oct 15 2025

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Daily Review with Clay and Buck – October 15, 2025 (iHeartPodcasts)

Episode Overview

On this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dive into the ongoing government shutdown, dissect the stakes and political dynamics, explore a pivotal Supreme Court case on racial gerrymandering, debate the political climate in California, and skewer cancel culture and gender identity controversies—infusing their analysis with humor and pointed commentary.

Key topics:

• Day 15 of the government shutdown and political brinkmanship
• Major Supreme Court case that could end all racial gerrymandering
• Decline in students identifying as non-binary/trans
• Media narratives and bias regarding the shutdown
• The left’s internal divisions, with a focus on Democratic leadership
• California's political crisis: Steve Hilton interview
• Trans athletes, gender politics, and upcoming Supreme Court battles
• The View’s reluctance to host conservative guests

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1. Government Shutdown: Political Drama and Media Battles

[00:04–13:43]

• Shutdown Enters Day 15: Buck frames it as the "Schumer shutdown," asserting Democrats are playing hardball and leveraging the situation for political gain.
• Financial Impact and Human Cost: Government workers, including military members, have now missed paychecks—Clay and Buck empathize, especially with paycheck-to-paycheck families, but insist Republicans have voted to fund the government multiple times.
  • “We are starting to cut into muscle here. We believe that shutdown may start costing the US economy up to $15 billion a day. And this is a decision the Democrats are making.” – Buck [06:17]
• Media Bias: They argue that the mainstream media is protecting Democrats, noting if Republicans were in Schumer’s shoes, media coverage would be relentless.
• Link to the "No Kings Rally”: Clay speculates Democrats are stalling to preserve left-wing protest momentum:
  • “I think they're waiting till after the no Kings rally happens...because they don't want to try to strip its momentum to actually reach an agreement.” – Clay [07:16]
• Motivations of Schumer and Jeffries:
  • Both hosts suggest Democratic leadership decisions are more about placating the far-left and protecting their own power than national interests.
  • “This is not based on what's best for the country. It’s based on what's best for the Democrat Party.” – Clay [11:00]

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2. Supreme Court Case: Racial Gerrymandering and the End of Affirmative Action Politics

[02:35–33:18]

• Case Overview: The Supreme Court is hearing arguments on the constitutionality of majority-Black districts created under the Civil Rights Act—could signal the end of race-based gerrymandering.
  • “There is a possibility...that we could see all racial gerrymandering declared unconstitutional as a part of this court case.” – Clay [02:35]
• Legal Tension: Clay, deploying his legal background, explains the conflict between historical voting rights protections and equal protection principles.
• Seminal Quote:
  • “The best way to stop discriminating by race is to stop discriminating by race.” – Cited as John Roberts, affirmed [04:44] and [33:18]
• Ketanji Brown Jackson Critique: Clay criticizes Justice Jackson’s analogy comparing Black voters to people with disabilities as a rationale for continued special district protections:
  • “She’s saying black voters are the equivalent of disabled people...an incredibly strained and poor analogy by her.” – Clay [24:35]
• Political Implications:
  • Suggest the era requiring majority-minority districts has passed, and voting patterns among Black and Hispanic voters are no longer monolithic, especially post-2024.
  • “The monolithic nature of black support for the Democrat party is...crumbling.” – Clay [29:34]
• Disparate Impact: Buck opposes the legal doctrine that disparate results prove discrimination:
  • “If the law is universally applicable... the outcome... does not matter to me.” – Buck [31:51]

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3. Gender Identity, Cancel Culture, and the Trans Athlete Debate

[01:23, 43:36–49:42]

• Declining Non-Binary/Trans Identifications: Noted as a startling demographic shift—Clay and Buck promise more discussion on underlying reasons.
• Trans Athletes in Sports:
  • The hosts highlight a viral exchange between Piers Morgan and a Democratic candidate (Betty Yee) for California governor, where she waffles on whether gender-neutral Olympics should exist.
  • "You think that a woman should run against Usain Bolt in the hundred meters...and you think that's going to be a fair competition? And basically she says yes.” – Clay [44:02]
• SCOTUS on Trans Sports and Gender Medicine:
  • Discussion of a key case (Little v. Hecox) where activists allegedly seek to withdraw the lawsuit to avoid a Supreme Court defeat.
  • “The trans activists don't want their day in court all of a sudden.” – Buck [47:22]
  • Cites the state-level (Tennessee, Idaho) clampdown on “gender-affirming care” and expectations that the Supreme Court will reinforce traditional gender distinctions in law.

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4. Democratic Leadership: Internal Tensions, Succession Fears, and AOC Ambitions

[11:00–13:30]

• New York Dominance: Critique that the Democrats’ House and Senate leaders (Jeffries, Schumer) are both New Yorkers trying to fend off left-wing challengers—including nightmares of AOC running for Senate.
  • “Chuck Schumer lives in eternal fear of AOC deciding she wants to be a senator and wiping him out.” – Clay [12:20]
• Future Nominees: Speculation on AOC’s potential as VP or more, noting her far greater charisma compared to Kamala Harris.

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5. Media Gatekeeping: The View Won't Debate Conservatives

[36:45–41:02]

• The View Calls Conservatives "Scared": Joy Behar claims Republicans are too afraid to come on the show.
  • “I think that we should have more Republicans on the show, but they don't want to come on... they're scared of us.” – Joy Behar, played by Clay [38:17]
• Clay & Buck Challenge Accepted: Reveal they pitched themselves as guests—but The View’s producers declined, despite having hosted duos before.
  • “Challenge accepted. Let's go.” – Buck [38:41]
  • Producer Ali confirms email pitch and their follow-up, demonstrating the show’s reluctance to engage.

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6. California in Crisis: Steve Hilton Interview

[57:17–68:36]

• Wildfires and Failure to Rebuild:
  • Malibu: 600 homes destroyed, only 2 rebuilding permits issued—a symptom of radical ideology and incompetence.
  • “The single family home...the foundation of the California dream is some evil thing that needs to be fought back...It’s total elitism.” – Steve Hilton [61:46]
• Democratic Machine and Entitlement:
  • One-party rule has fostered arrogance and disconnect from residents’ realities—Democrats use population scale to mask underperformance.
  • “Everything he says is a lie because it doesn’t reflect the truth...we are, on every metric that matters, the worst performing state in America.” – Steve Hilton [65:28]
• Katie Porter Gaffe: Hilton describes Porter's viral interview meltdown and says CA Democrats’ machine politics are undeterred by such incompetence; Pelosi rumored to be seeking a replacement candidate.

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7. Quotes & Memorable Moments

• John Roberts Doctrine:
  “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” [33:18]
• On Ketanji Brown Jackson:
  “I don't think Ketanji Brown Jackson is in the top half of intelligent lawyers in America...she is the quintessential DEI candidate.” – Clay [24:35]
• Trans Athlete Topic:
  “These people are crazy, Buck. And I don't know how they get off this crazy train without having the Supreme Court.” – Clay [44:40]
• On Democratic Media Narratives:
  “If this was a different circumstance, the Democrats would be pounding the damage of the shutdown all day...But it’s on the Democrats.” – Buck [06:44]
• California’s Ills: “You look great for your age, though, to be fair. Joy, you look great. I'm just saying.” – Buck (humor referencing Joy Behar) [40:53]

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8. Notable Timestamps

| Segment/Quote | Speaker | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------|-----------------|------------| | Shutdown and Capitol Hill dynamics | Buck/Clay | 00:04–09:15| | Supreme Court on racial gerrymandering | Clay/Buck | 02:35–04:59| | Critique of Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson | Clay | 24:35 | | Trans athlete debate and CA governor race | Clay/Buck/Steve | 43:36–49:42| | On The View skirmish and liberal media | Clay/Buck | 36:45–41:02| | Steve Hilton on CA malaise | Steve Hilton | 57:17–66:12|

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9. Tone and Style

The discussion is fast-paced, irreverent, and unabashedly conservative. Clay and Buck mix substantive legal and political analysis with sharp-tongued humor, mockery of progressive talking points, and a focus on cultural trends as seen through their skeptical, combative lens.

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Transcript

[Clay Travis]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Buck Sexton]

Welcome, everybody, to the Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. Shutdown day 15, I think, and things are actually heating up a little bit on Capitol Hill. And with the Schumer shutdown, Democrats trying to play a bit of hardball. You had Speaker Johnson holding a press conference this morning. I watched it as I was drinking my delicious Crockett coffee, as one does.

[Clay Travis]

And I'm glad that you're watching these press conferences so others do not have to watch these press conferences because that sounds miserable.

[Buck Sexton]

We still haven't figured out what, like, nice, you know, wine and cheese basket you're going to send me for being the one of this duo to read Kamala's 107 days clay. That was towards it.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, I read it on the, on the Taiwan plane. I read it. And my lord, you know, it's. Every day is a chapter. Think about that. Think about the mentality, or rather every chapter. Yeah, every chapter is a day. And so you're like, wait, I have. Once you get deep enough in, you're like, I have 70 more chapters of this.

[Clay Travis]

I didn't know that was the way it was organized. I guess it's very simple to organize in that respect. But. So it's just a minute analysis of the entire campaign then.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm just saying you're leaving some of us behind, taking slings and arrows while you're out there at the beach at the new house. Some of us are reading Kamala's memoir because, you know, team player and all that. Yeah, no, it was, it was actually more brutal than I thought. Let's get into the realities of this shutdown and what is at stake. Also, China. China saying that they are going to play hardball with Trump on trade, gearing up for what they think will be another stock market plunge. They're going to try to make the market plunge in this country. So we'll discuss that. And then something else, just a story in the background for us to dove into as we can. The percentage of students identifying as non, binary or trans has suddenly fallen off a cliff. Isn't that so interesting? And we will get into why that is and what, of course, the left will be saying about this. We've also got Ryan Gardusky joining us later on the program to talk about the big elections coming up in a few weeks. And then we'll also be talking a bit of California, my friend. We'll be having a California discussion with Steve Hilton, who is running for governors there. Yes, sir.

[Clay Travis]

Also as we are talking to all of you, there's actually a very potentially transformative Supreme Court case that is being argued basically about majority black districts and how you reconcile that with the equal protection clause. And there is a possibility, and it is not an insignificant one, that we could see all racial gerrymandering declared unconstitutional as a part of this court case. And so there's questioning going on about that right now. And it could be incredibly, incredibly impactful for what, for instance, the House is going to look like in 2026. Because right now, and this is legal nerding a little bit, there is a balancing act between how you apply the Civil Rights act, which has been applied to basically permit these majority black districts even require them, while also analyzing it in the context of the. Of the sort of equal protection clause, which would not allow race to be factored in. And then how is it implicated with, for instance, affirmative action in race based decision making as it pertains to colleges and universities. So this is a big case, and I think there is a possibility that the Supreme Court finally says once and for all, racial gerrymandering is unconstitutional. It's certainly not necessary compared to the 1960s. And so that case is being heard right now as we all talk to you. And that could be profoundly transformative.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that our guiding light. Is it lodestar? Isn't that how you say, is that the. Is it lodestar? I know there's the Lone Star State.

[Clay Travis]

But isn't Load Star there's a lodestar. There's also the North Star as the light upon which you should follow. So there's multiple different stars that are guiding lights there.

[Buck Sexton]

Look at Clay with the astronomy over here. He's a man of many talents, he wears many hats. But yes, our lodestar on this, on all these issues should be the best way to stop discriminating by race is to stop discriminating by race, which I'm pretty sure is Alito. Was that Alito or was that.

[Clay Travis]

I think it was John Roberts.

[Buck Sexton]

Was it?

[Clay Travis]

I think it was the majority opinion of John Roberts, if I remember correctly. If you guys can go back and do fact check on that. But I think Roberts wrote that majority opinion and that's his line, you know, balls and strikes.

[Buck Sexton]

Sometimes even Morning Joe gets it right. You know what I mean? So there you go. All right, now let's dive into this shut down brinksmanship here for a second because what's happened, Clay?

[Clay Travis]

So we're in day 15.

[Buck Sexton]

You've got military members and you've got people who are working for the government in things we actually need and want the government to do, who at this point have missed a paycheck. Right. Most people are paid biweekly. So now if you are paycheck to paycheck, there's no money. So now you're running up credit card bills. You know, now the family stress is increasing. And it's very important that the American people understand Republicans were ready to do the same funding that Chuck Schumer and the Democrats voted for. What was it, last March? I think they're willing to just keep funding the government. Democrats are holding hostages here. Democrats are the ones that won't go forward and do this in a reasonable, rational way. And the Treasury Secretary, Scott Bessant, is saying this is just going to start lighting our money as a country on fire if we don't get this thing settled. This is cut to Secretary Bezant. Play it. We call on the moderate Democrats in the Senate to be heroes.

[Clay Travis]

Be heroes.

[Buck Sexton]

Break away from the hive of radicalism.

[Clay Travis]

And do something for the American people.

[Buck Sexton]

Because we are starting to cut into muscle here. We believe that shutdown may start costing the US economy up to $15 billion a day. And this is a decision the Democrats are making.

[Clay Travis]

And one of the reasons that they.

[Buck Sexton]

Are not being held to task is because the mainstream media is not coming at them the way they would have.

[Clay Travis]

If the Republicans were willing to keep the government close.

[Buck Sexton]

That's absolutely true. Now they don't have Clay. I think we could agree the same power that they once did to completely shape and dominate the narrative on this. But we do know that if this was a different circumstance, the Democrats would be pounding the damage of the shutdown all day. I'm sorry. The media would be pounding the shutdown damage all day long and making sure that it was front and center in every newscast and every news cycle. But it's on the Republicans. I'm sorry, on the Democrats.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, 100%. And I just. I understand there's starting to be some impact. I have the sneaking suspicion they're doing another one of these stupid no Kings rallies this weekend. I believe, Buck, for all of the people who are complete losers and can't find a better way to. To spend a spectacular fall weekend and walking around screaming about how you don't support kings. I think they're waiting till after the no Kings rally happens because they don't want to try to strip its momentum to actually reach an agreement. That's my conspiracy theory here. Because if you acquiesce and bend the knee on the Friday before the no Kings rally. Then everybody's like, do have kings. Oh, oh, my. And all of this is about Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries trying to maintain their limited House and Senate authority and stave off, stave off everybody out there. And so I think that's really what this is based on more than anything else. And I suspect that they will bend the knee sometime next week. That's my guess. I also think Trump stole so much of the thunder with the Middle east peace agreement. I just don't even hear that many people asking about this. Does anybody come up to you? People come up and ask all sorts of questions when I'm out and about. Nobody's asking about the shutdown. And I understand people out there who have government jobs and some of you are listening to us. You're going to get paid. And so there isn't any suggestion that eventually you're not going to get paid. Now maybe you don't have savings and I get that's frustrating. You have to pull out the credit cards and things like that. But this is all Democrat driven. And I think it's much connected to this no Kings rally on the 18th where they're trying to, to avoid creating a stir by bending the knee before the rally. I really think there's a big part of it that's just predicated on this.

[Buck Sexton]

That's definitely, I think the analysis you put forward on next week sounds very reasonable, very likely to me. And as we're seeing where this goes, remember, Republicans have voted nine times to reopen the government. So the Republicans have said, let's go. They're not the ones that are the sand in the machinery or in the gears. Here it is the Democrats who have sabotaged the reopen, and it is because now they say they want another $1.5 trillion in spending. They're in the minority. They shouldn't be in a position to make these kinds of demands. And they are making demands at the expense of right now, good sense. And a lot of people who anxiety is rising. Look, you know, Clay, I get it. People are going to get paid. But having been a government employee who lived paycheck to paycheck for many years, you know, you don't want to run up credit card bills. Right. And it's, yeah, it's just an anxiety. If you're, you know, you got a family, maybe you got a couple of kids, there's that anxiety of, I did my part, I'm showing up. And remember this is now we're talking not about people who there's a lot of what I call low show jobs in the federal government, especially in the Beltway, where you show up, you don't show up, it doesn't really matter. We're talking about military service members now. We're talking about people that we have as a society, as a country asked to do these jobs because they need to be done. And I know we're going to end up paying them. But the Schumer shutdown is just complete theatrics. It's unnecessary. And it's to your point about the no Kings rally. It's just so they can say we stand and fight, we stand and fight Trump. And that Chuck Schumer can say that so that AOC doesn't go from Congresswoman AOC to Senator aoc.

[Clay Travis]

That's right. This is not based on what's best for the country. It's based on what's best for the Democrat Party. And I don't think it's lost that. Essentially you have two guys from New York City that are the top Democrats in elected office right now. One of them, obviously, Hakeem Jeffries, who is, I think, a middling at best leader for the Democrat Party. Whatever you think of Nancy Pelosi, she was able to corral heard the cats, dominate them. And strategically she had some sort of vision. Chuck Schumer, I think, also very middling level leader in the Senate. And they recognize that they are being challenged. Look, there's talk out there that one of Mamdani's top political aides is going to challenge Hakeem Jeffries in the midterm and may take try to win that primary and knock him out of being in Congress at all, which is a sign of how little respect they have for his leadership to challenge in a serious way the Democrat minority leader. And then, as you just mentioned, Chuck Schumer lives in eternal fear of AOC deciding she wants to be a senator and wiping him out. So I think that's really what this entire government shutdown is about. Schumer upset the crazy left wing when he agreed to this back in March and he's decided he can't do it again.

[Buck Sexton]

What does Schumer do if he wakes up and he's not a senator anymore? Lawn bowling, mahjong, New York Times crossword puzzle. Like, what is, you know, Schumer at this stage of the game, Clay? His whole thing is he's just got to be in the game.

[Clay Travis]

This is why I argue in an ideal world, there would not be professional politicians because there would be people who do things other than politics. And so if they're not politicians anymore, their life doesn't feel. Feel as if it's without purpose. I think one reason why so many of these politicians in their 70s and 80s are refusing to step away is they don't have anything else. And I think Chuck Schumer is a good example of that. Now, I think the one thing Chuck Schumer has working in his favor is, I don't know that AOC wants to run for statewide office in New York. I think she wants to run for President of the United States. So Chuck Schumer may benefit because AOC's ambitions are bigger than the office that he currently holds. That would be my forecast. And I think you and I both have said we don't think it's crazy to contemplate AOC as the VP nominee with a Governor Gavin Newsom as the. As the nominee for the White House.

[Buck Sexton]

Is AOC a more dynamic personality and online avatar by leaps and bounds than Kamala, who was just a VP under Biden? Not even. Not even a question.

[Clay Travis]

Right?

[Buck Sexton]

So of course she could be the vp.

[Clay Travis]

And she's got the Bernie Sanders stamp of approval, as Bernie is now, frankly, too old to ever run for president again. Uh, we'll take some of your calls. The talkbacks Little early preview. Don't even look at them, Buck. They are hysterical, as you may well. Remi, remember from yesterday when I made the greatest argument in the history of the show about the worst way to die and a lot of you had opinions on that. Ceasefire agreement in the Middle East. This week, along with the release of the remaining 20 living hostages, brought great relief for Israeli citizens. They waited more than two years for this moment. In that same spirit, it's worth highlighting. Well, one of our longtime partners is doing the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. That's the ifcj. For four decades, the Fellowship has brought Christians and Jews together to solve big problems facing the Jewish people in places all over the world. Israel, but also the former Soviet Union. One of the problems is feeding the hungry and those without means. That's why six days a week, IFCJ teams in Israel are on the ground hand delivering boxes of food to feed and comfort the poor, particularly the elderly, some of which are the last remaining Holocaust survivors. I went to this food bank and helped to create food to be distributed that many of you have helped to pay for. Put your faith into action by taking part in the IFC. J's mission. To find out how, visit IFCJ.org that's IFCJ.org Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Mike Drops that never sounded so good. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton SHOW. All right, you want some spice? I'm going to give you some spice right out of the break here. We're going to have some fun with the View, but I had them. I was trying to pay attention to the Supreme Court argument on racial gerrymandering that is happening today because I think it has the potential to be incredibly consequential and transformative to the political process in the country. And let me give you a one minute take on exactly what is at stake. Historically, black voters were suppressed from the polls prior to the civil rights movement in the South. That is not a historical fallacy. That is in fact historical truth. As a result, there was an entire line of jurisprudence that dealing with voting rights that were trying to rectify the Wrong of majority black voters in the south who were being restricted in many ways from poll access. Therefore, they did not have a substantial say in the Democrat process in many Southern states. That was wrong. That was before Buck and I were born. A long time before Buck was born. Quite some time before I was born, since he is much younger than me. Um, but. But. So that process, unfortunately now has polluted the court rulings of the Supreme Court because we no longer, even though Democrats would like it to be the case, live in a world that is like 1965 or 1958 or 1948 or whatever year you want to go to in the south when black voters did not have the ability to get to the polls and vote for their preferred candidates. So they put in place this review of the voting process through the civil rights laws. Now what you are seeing is that those precedents are actually extremely racist because they are predicated on the idea that black voters sort of monolithically and uniformly vote a certain way. And that is starting to crumble. And it also creates the civil rights era court decisions create tension with the equal protection clause that tries to treat everyone equally and does not allow race to be determined as a factor. So we have talked about this quite a lot already in the court system as it pertains to affirmative action, which the courts have ruled. Was I correct that John Roberts is the one who said the way to stop discriminating based on race is by stopping to discriminate based on race? Did we get a fact check on that? I believe I'm correct. So we have seen in the world of colleges and universities, the idea of your race as a dispositive factor when it comes to your admission is not actually permissible under our Constitution. And so there are still lots of ways that colleges and universities are trying to trick their way through that process. But it is not permissible to strictly have quotas. Racial analysis, all of that. Okay. With that as a background. They now today are hearing an argument about that tension between the civil rights era precedents where race is allowed to be a predominant factor in the. In the gerrymandering of congressional districts, and that tension with the equal. Equal rights component, equal protection clause of. Of. Of our amendments in the post civil War era. They get to the 16th amendment. I've been a while since I passed the bar. How do you reconcile that? I think the Supreme Court is going to say racial gerrymandering is no longer allowed. I think it is the right decision. I think it is the appropriate decision. People on the left are up in arms about this, you're going to hear a lot about it. And Ketanji Brown Jackson demonstrated and the futility of that argument by making that argument. I had them pull it to try to argue in favor of racism, to combat racism. Here's what she said.

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A kind of paradigmatic example of this is something like the ada Congress passed the Americans with Disabilities act against the backdrop of a world that was generally not accessible to people with disabilities. And so it was discriminatory, in effect because these folks were not able to access these buildings. And it didn't matter whether the person who built the building or the person who owned the building intended for them to be exclusionary. That's irrelevant. Congress said the facilities have to be made equally open to people with disabilities if readily possible. I guess I don't understand why that's not what's happening here. The idea in section two is that we are responding to current day manifestations of past and present decisions that disadvantage minorities and make it so that they don't have equal access to the voting system. Right. They're disabled.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so what she analogized there, and I understand we're going into the weeds a little bit, is she saying black voters are the equivalent of disabled people in that they have to be constantly considered because they are unable to vote as others would be able to vote, just as disabled people are unable to access. Now this is an incredibly strained and poor analogy by her. And I think it's actually evidence that she is, frankly, I'm not sure qualified in any way to be a Supreme Court Justice. I don't think that Katan Brown Jackson. Yeah, I don't think Ketanji Brown Jackson is in the top half of intelligent lawyers in America. And this is what happens when you say I'm only going to pick someone based on their race and gender, which is what Joe Biden did with her. And then I don't think he picked the smartest black woman who is a lawyer in America to be his representative of black women. But in so doing, he excluded 95% of Americans. In fact, I would argue that the way that Joe Biden selected Ketanji Brown Jackson actually violates all of the precepts of the Constitution that she now is trying to argue should be continued to be in effect. In other words, she is the quintessential DEI candidate and she, much like Sotomayor, I think regularly when they ask questions, evinces a very poor comprehension of the law that is not in any way a strong left wing tenant. There are Lots of people. Kagan Buck Kagan's really smart. I, I, I don't agree with everything that most of what Elena Kagan says in her opinions, but she is of the left and she is a very smart person of the left. I do not think Sotomayor and Ketanji Brown Jackson are even eloquent advocates of the positions the left would like to put out there. And this, I think is evidence of that with her line of questioning.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, yeah, I mean, Ruth Bader Ginsburg I disagreed with strenuously on a whole range of things, but she understood the arguments. She knew what the arguments of both sides were. I just don't agree with her analysis. And, you know, without getting into the specifics, I think Katanji Brown Jackson doesn't even understand the argument on the other side. Honestly, that's my just listening to her talk about these things, she doesn't get it. But you know, on the one hand, this is one of these. It's very complicated. It's VRA Section 2. It's history.

[Clay Travis]

And I understand people's eyes roll back into their head.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, it's very complicated, comma, but actually very simple. Right. There's the, you're doing the complicated legal analysis side of this. Clay gets excited about the law stuff. It's like we're back in law professors walking around. He says, Travis, Mr. Travis, did you do the reading last night? And you know, Clay's doing his thing. You always did the reading, Clay.

[Clay Travis]

We know you. I did. I love, I love reading assignments.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, so, so there's that part of it, but then there's this part of it. We just need to live in a country where we don't have racial set asides and entitlements for anybody at all, period, full stop. And if there was ever a time where we had to make those arguments because of previous discrimination, or rather we made those concessions because we thought it would make things better. Now we've reached a point where everybody should understand that that was a effectively temporary emergency measure and should no longer be the case. We should not have racial entitlements masquerading as civil rights protections. And that is what this is. If a state is allowed, if the people in a state are allowed to redistrict however they see fit, really, because it's left to the states. Here's the problem. It's almost like drawing the borders of a country.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

What justifies the borders of a country? You know, it's a complicated thing, but really it's lines on a map Then they fight over it and whatever. But there's not some. More like. The border between the U.S. and Canada is not a moral question, it's a political question. It's one that we have solved with our northern neighbors. The borders of congressional districts in various states are left to the processes and the legislatures in those states. And everybody should just be playing by the same rules within that state. There shouldn't be a, oh, we don't have enough black majority districts in this state. So therefore this map is unfair because it is an equal protection clause violation. Because a lot of Republicans sit there and say, hold on a second, my vote has been nullified effectively by the state legislature. So why isn't it? Why is that? Okay, but overwhelmingly Democrat black voters in a lot of these states get to have a special protection. No, I'm sorry. We either all live by the same rules or we don't. The complex distilled down to the simple. I rest my case, counselor.

[Clay Travis]

I think you're right and I think that's where we're headed. Let me add on a couple of layers here that are hopefully not super legal nerd esque. The problem here was one that should and needed to be redressed. Right? The problem is the problem is fixed. It no longer exists. And so the precedent that made sense in 1965 doesn't make sense in 2025. I would also point this out. It is predicated on the idea that black voters are monolithic in the way that they vote. That is increasingly not the case. This is why I think it's significant that Donald Trump got 21% of Black men of their vote in 2024. One in five Black guys said Trump's my guy. A lot of black guys are listening to us right now that are a part of that team and it's growing. And there are more. Some of you guys out there, you used to never be able to find another black Republican. Now one in five. I bet, I bet you're finding a lot more people that are open to your arguments. Black women too. This has been applied, Buck, for Hispanic voters. Hispanic voters are basically now 50. 50. They're much more similar to white voters or Asian voters where you don't have a strong sense of how somebody's going to vote based on their race and gender. If you see a white guy, now somebody see a white chick wearing the Rachel Maddow specs, you probably got a pretty good chance, hey, that's a lib. But by and large, you see a white person, they could be conservative, they could Be liberal. They could be, uh, who there? They don't care about politics at all. Same thing is increasingly becoming true of Hispanic voters, as you know, because you live in Miami, Buck. There's also a huge difference between a Cuban voter and a recent immigrant from Mexico or Venezuela or the Hispanic voting bloc is actually very diverse, depending on where that Hispanic voter is from. The monolithic nature of black support for the Democrat party is critical, crumbling. In times like these, they trot out someone like Ketanji Brown Jackson to argue not based on the law, but, oh my goodness, based on the result of this case. It would be harmful politically to Democrats. And that is why she is a political actor more than she is a judge. And that is unfortunate.

[Buck Sexton]

One of the arguments we make here, and this goes to disparate impact, which is, I think, a inherently incorrect legal philosophy of, well, if the end result isn't the same among arbitrary distinctions that we're going to make between people, then there's something wrong with that law. If the law is universally applicable and everybody has to live under it, the outcome of that law does, and the law is ethical and moral, the outcome of that law does not matter to me. Meaning, and this is where we get into there is a disparate impact. I know you love this argument. Been saying this for a long time, Clay. There's a disparate impact between men and women and homicides. That doesn't mean that homicide laws are bad. It just means that more men kill people.

[Clay Travis]

And that doesn't mean sexist in particular. Right. It doesn't mean that men are being targeted by homicide laws because men happen to be impacted by them more.

[Buck Sexton]

So the fact of the matter is, if we're going to have a society where we don't have racial entitlements, we have to remove racial entitlements, including holdovers from the civil rights era, like Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act. And Clay, you were correct. It was John Roberts for the win on to stop discriminating by race. Stop discriminating by race. That's pretty good. Alito is my favorite. So I thought it was going to be an Alito move, but it was actually. Robert, so good on you.

[Clay Travis]

Probably the best sentence of John Roberts career. The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race. I don't understand how that same logic does not govern when it comes to analyzing racial gerrymandering. And I hope John Roberts will apply the same principle in this case as he did in the in the decision having to do basically with whether or not there can be affirmative action in schools. So that is going to be a huge decision. Maybe some of you are trying to face a huge decision. What do you do for the holiday season? I know I just said the holiday season and some of you are having alarm bells go off, but, you know, it's basically two months till Christmas. Two months until Christmas. What are you going to do for Christmas? How about the dads and the granddads out there? How many of you are actually great kids, gift givers? I am not. I am not a good gift giver. I don't enjoy shopping, period. And I particularly don't try to enjoy shopping for so many other gifts. But you know what's a great gift that doesn't require you to shop at all. It just requires you to listen to this show and pull out your phones right now. Legacy Box. You can preserve your family's history in time for the holidays. You can blow everybody away by being the thoughtful family member who ensures that your great aunt's old timey photos are digitized, that grandma and grandpa's VHS tapes are digitized, that the old slides, the old 8 millimeter reels, whatever family history you have, Legacy Box is all about taking it and making sure it's preserved for generations to come. I visited their Chattanooga factory. They've got an incredible business. You send in your old photos, your old VHS tapes, your old 8 millimeters. Whatever family memories you have, they will digitize them and allow you to be able to share it with everyone. That photo from 1920, that VHS tape of Christmas 1988, that 8 millimeter film of grandma and grandpa going on their honeymoon, all of it can be preserved digitally forever. And right now you get 50% [e-mail] clay that's legacybox.com clay to save 50%, you're going to love having your recorded memories preserved forever digitally. Easy to share with the grandkids, the great grandkids. So everybody knows the family history stories. Go legacybox.com clay 50% off. That's the legacybox.com clay. You don't know what you don't know, right? But you could. On the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you and there's a lot of reactions pouring in. Pamela just said, I'm in an IHOP in Pensacola having breakfast. Almost spit out my coffee with your remark about the danger women may be in. Thank goodness I was only drinking coffee, not eating the sausage. You have only yourself to blame, Buckster. So appreciate Pamela. I'm glad that she is still alive. And there are. There are a lot of reactions rolling in and we are having a great.

[Buck Sexton]

Deal of fun just trying to tell everybody, take your time, chew your food. It's very straightforward.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, let's go the the View. This is fun. Okay, so those of you who follow us on social media, as you all should be doing, you can find us at YouTube, you can find us at Twitter, Instagram, TikTok. I don't think there's a social media platform we're not on. Know that we have had a lot of fun with the View over the years, and we just shared from producer Ali and producer Ali. You can come up if you want and tell the full story here. But a while back, Ali said, hey, we'll invite you. We'll tell the View people, hey, Clay and Buck are happy to come on the show. So in July. And I just shared this, this email from Ally to the View and I will read it for all of you. This is a producer at the View. Hi, Laurie. Conservative radio host Clay and Buck would like to pitch themselves as guests on the View. They often play clips from the program on their nationally syndicated radio show. Granted, as a means to refute them and thought a sit down will be productive for both audiences since they come from two completely different perspectives. Buck lives in Miami and Clay lives in Nashville, but they'd be willing to travel to New York. Thank you for the consideration. This went out in July. Now, I'm going to pull. Pull Allie up in a sec. But first, here is Joy Behar saying, you know, the truth of the matter is Republicans won't come on the show. They're afraid to listen.

[Commercial/Announcer]

I think that we should have more Republicans on the show, but they don't want to come on.

[Clay Travis]

They're scared of us.

[Commercial/Announcer]

It's like Marjorie Taylor Greene says that she finds the Republican men afraid of powerful women.

[Clay Travis]

Well, that may be true of all.

[Commercial/Announcer]

All the political persuasions, but if they.

[Buck Sexton]

Would come on this show and they.

[Commercial/Announcer]

Can explain to us what they're trying.

[Buck Sexton]

To do to this country.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, I don't think Buck and I are afraid of powerful women.

[Buck Sexton]

Challenge accepted. Challenge accepted. Let's go.

[Clay Travis]

All right, producer Ali, you have now written another email to the View reiterating. You can come up. But the email that I read you sent in July, was there a response to. To that email from the View?

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, actually, there was a quick response.

[Steve Hilton]

Very quick, saying they only had two.

[Buck Sexton]

More episodes to shoot, so their Schedule was full and they wouldn't be back until the fall, at which point I said, okay, I'll follow up in the fall.

[Clay Travis]

And I followed up today.

[Buck Sexton]

And I have, I'm waiting to hear back.

[Clay Travis]

And you said, can I tell you something? We're happy to do it.

[Buck Sexton]

This is important. The View, according to Grok, has frequently had two guests on simultaneously. Two guests, including politicians, authors, actors, and even musical guests who are there as a duo. So I just want to be clear. There is no reason why they could not have a Clay and Buckathon on the View based on the established parameters they have for guests in the past. Because I don't, I don't want them throwing that at us either, like we're going to. Because if what they'll try to do, if it's just one of us, they're going to try to over talk and just have too many voices shouting at you at the same time.

[Clay Travis]

Just make sure you bring that third hat. Oh, I would bring a hat for Alyssa Farr Griffin and I would hand it to her and I would say, hey, since Trump's brought back the hostages, here is a red MAGA hat. You can put that on for this entire segment to honor President Trump's great job in bringing back the hostages.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm going to tell you something. I think that she actually would be willing to wear the hat. I think that she worries that if she wore that hat, it would trigger other members of the table too much like they would. Even though she said this was the marker that she laid out there, I think she realizes that the rest of the table would throw them fit about it. They would. They had no. They have no sense of humor about it at all. By the way, Joy Behar has a writing team. They write all of her jokes. She's actually not that funny. She's not coming up with this stuff on the fly. If you watch her closely now, I'm throwing down the gauntlet a little bit. You watch her closely. She's trying to find ways to get in lines that have been written by her writers.

[Clay Travis]

I will give this doesn't happen very often.

[Buck Sexton]

She does look great for her age, though, to be fair. Joy, you look great. I'm just saying.

[Clay Travis]

Also, she is probably not aware of most of the guests, so she may think to herself when she says Republicans are afraid to go on the show to go. Because to be fair, people pitch themselves on this show all the time. I mean, producer Ali, you can say, like, if people out there, like, is this a common thing? I mean, we get pitches, hundreds of pitches a year, thousands, dozens a day of people who are saying, hey, we'd like to come on as a guest. So. And most of them, we never Buck. Neither Buck nor I are going and saying we can't have this person on. So I don't necessarily know that Joy is aware of the number of people who are reaching out that would be willing to come on. So when she's saying that she may actually believe, Buck, that she's being truthful. She is not, however. And we just, you know, we shared the so called receipts of, of the invitation that we put out there. Hey, we're happy to come on. And by the way, you know, we would have Alyssa on this show, you know, if they wanted to put a View member on this show to promote their show. I mean, we're not running and hiding from any of that. Speaking of running and hiding though, Buck, you were talking about this a little bit earlier and we've got a couple of guests, by the way, coming in the third hour, our buddy Ryan Gardusky. We're going to talk about the absolute latest on Virginia, New York City, City and New Jersey as those elections get closer. Steve Hilton out in California to talk about the Katie Porter insanity and the potential run there. I wanted to play this because this is one of the people that is running to be a Democrat nominee for California when Gavin Newsom is forced to term limit himself out. And she went on Piers Morgan and the LA is going to have the Olympics in 2028. The Summer Olympics are taking place in Los Angeles. Should be awesome, be a lot of fun to watch. But Piers Morgan asked this Democrat, California governor's candidate, hey, what do you think about the idea of trans women, that is men pretending to be women being able to compete in the Olympics? And he followed up and I just want to play a cut from this because these people have lost their minds and they're totally trapped on this trans argument. Listen, it seems to me like you would like to remove any, any sexual differentiation between the, the Olympic sports and let them all compete. It would be gender neutral. Would it if you were governor? Well, I, again, I want to be.

[Buck Sexton]

Sure that everyone has the ability to compete.

[Clay Travis]

Right, but would you, would you have a gender neutral Olympics where you would have not you wouldn't have male and female sport, then you just have one, one that everyone could join in.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I don't think we're going to get that tomorrow, but I think it's a conversation worth having.

[Clay Travis]

You think it's a conversation Worth having where you have gender neutral Olympics because.

[Buck Sexton]

We need to understand what the attributes are of athletes across the spectrum.

[Clay Travis]

But you've already said that you understand the reason they separate the sexes is that men have a physical advantage over women. He also, then maybe we can grab this because I think it really kind of brings it home. He says, wait, you think that a woman should run against Usain Bolt in the hundred meters, the fastest man in the history of the world, and you think that's going to be a fair competition? And basically she says yes, she doesn't know. Maybe the woman would win. These people are crazy, Buck. And I don't know how they get off of this crazy train without having the Supreme Court.

[Buck Sexton]

I think your argument you've already hit on.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's what it is.

[Buck Sexton]

It's. Well, by the way, there is. There are a few things that are making their way toward the Supreme Court right now. In fact, there is litigation out of. I think it's in. In Colorado. The case is Little v. Hecox. Maybe he Cox, but it's a transgender student who wanted to be on the girls cross country team. And this. And brought suit back in 2020. Really? At the peak of this.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Wanted to join. Oh yeah, this is. No, it's Idaho that I say Colorado. Sorry, Idaho. Idaho, Boise State. So it's college. It's college level. And wanted to be on the women's college cross country team. Sued, sued and a 9th Circuit judge ended up getting involved in this. And now it's law. Without getting too deep into the weeds on this, the situation is that the original plaintiff is trying to. Tried to withdraw his case as a. Her tried to withdraw the case, Clay, because they don't want the Supreme Court to actually take this up. Yeah. And a federal judge just today, Judge Nye, who is a Trump appointee, said, oh, no, you're not doing this. You know, hide the football situation here. You wanted to bring a federal lawsuit about discrimination saying that you're actually to be treated as a woman. We're taking, we're taking this thing on. Like, let's go. And now it looks like the Supreme Court is, is eventually going to be taking this up. And I think they're going to have to weigh in on. No, men are men and women are women and we're allowed to make different decisions about the two in law. As a matter of law.

[Clay Travis]

There is a. Going to give them credit here. Great long form piece in the New York Times recently looking at the Scarmetti case. Jonathan Scarmetti is the attorney general of the state of Tennessee. The Supreme Court came out and said that the state can restrict this so called gender affirming care for minors, that there is a state interest. And the trans community is in a panic because they thought that they were going to be able to win these cases, basically that the trans treatments and all this stuff on minors is actually okay. And instead they're losing. And what you just pointed out is an important point. They're now trying to avoid giving the Supreme Court an opportunity to strike down a lot of the state laws. And so they're trying to pull back now because they're like, oh my goodness, the same logic of Scaremetti is certainly going to apply in sports.

[Buck Sexton]

Right. The trans activists don't want their day in court all of a sudden.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Isn't that so interesting to see?

[Clay Travis]

They want to rely, and this goes into the Weeds book. They want to rely like the 9th Circuit and some of the liberal circuit courts without having to get a nationwide ruling so that in California and Oregon and Washington, the crazy arguments can prevail and instead of the Supreme Court slapping it down.

[Buck Sexton]

So I'm very familiar with this tactic, Clay, because as a longtime New York City and New York state resident, particularly on the New York City side, this is the game they used to play all the time. They would, they did flatly unconstitutional things when it came to firearms and then the moment somebody brought legislation, they would change it and then they would do something else flatly on, you know, the $500 fee to be a, to be not a concealed carrier, to be a premise permit holder. They, they would just use the system in bad faith to do things that they knew were unconstitutional. And instead of actually allowing the system to then say, no, you're disrespecting the rights, the two way rights of people in New York City, they would pull it and then it's moot. And they would argue it's moot. That's what this trans athlete in Idaho is trying to do. And this, thank heavens this Trump appointee has said, no, no, no, you brought it now we're going to finish it.

[Clay Travis]

We're going to do.

[Buck Sexton]

We're going to see where this actually goes. Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

And it's not going to go a good place for all these people. But I mean, this woman is trying to become the Democrat nominee for California and her argument is we don't really know whether men are faster than women or not. To put this into context for you, buck every single state high school champion in Texas last year for track and field every single boy. These are, you know, 18 and younger boys, 15 to 18 year old boys. Every single Texas state champion ran faster speeds than the fastest women in the history of the Olympics. So we're not even talking about I think Florence Griffith Joyner. Flo Jo is still the fastest woman of all time. Every Texas high school state champion at all district levels smoked Flo Jo. So we're not even talking about men versus Women on the best men in the world. We're talking about the state of Texas by itself. Every boy state champion is faster than the fastest woman that's ever existed in the history of the world.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Steve Hilton]

All right.

[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We will be chatting, I believe, shortly with Steve Hilton about California. You know what, actually, I want to pull this from yesterday, guys. Grab yesterday, because I feel like Gavin Newsome is out there working on his stump speech. He's getting a little breathier. He's button in that shirt a little lower, slicking back that hair just a little tighter. And he's ready to look at all the folks of America and just tell them that, damn, he's so handsome. You know, I mean, I really think that Gavin Newsom is thinking that it's his, it's his nomination to lose at this point on the Democrat side. I don't think that he is silly or foolish in that assessment. I think we've both said that we think it'll be Gavin Newsom with AOC as the vp. If we nail that one so far in advance, that'd be a pretty impressive call. But we're, we're riding on the same train on that one. I think that's probably what. It's always tough to pick these things so far and out so far in advance. Who ever would have thought, for example, that Joe Biden would even be the nominee in 2020? I truly, Clay, I went on a whole rant on radio when the Democrat primary was happening, and I just said, we know it can't be Biden. The guy's got dementia. Well, it turns out people didn't care that much.

[Clay Travis]

Not only that, you hit on something that I think is one reason it's hard to predict the outcome. And it didn't get a lot of attention because he ended up not being challenged in a significant way for the nomination. Biden flipped the order of the states when it came to the Democrat primary contest, so that South Carolina was first because he knew James Clyburn and Black Voters were going to have his back and that would forestall any significant challenge against him because Biden never did well in Iowa or New Hampshire. What is going to be the first state going forward. I think that is a real part of trying to horse race and handicap the likelihood of what is going on. And, and I think it's one reason why it's challenging to have a exact reason here. We've got Steve Hilton, by the way. I think. Now, Steve, I don't know if you've seen the clip yet of the crazy Democrat nominee, one of the people running for it, saying that she doesn't know whether a woman could beat Usain Bolt in the hundred meters. But I thought it was a perfect distillation of where the California Democrat primary is. They're just bonkers.

[Steve Hilton]

I'm so excited to talk to you about this today because I was actually on that interview with Piers Morgan. I was following her up and originally I think they set it up as a debate and she didn't want to do a debate. So I was just patiently waiting. And as she was speaking, I saw myself on the little video green room. My jaw was dropping and I kept thinking, she's not going to say that. Like, surely she. No way she's going to say gender neutral Olympics. No way she's going to say track and field when Pia's asked her what sports biological men could compete with. And every time you thought no way she's not going to say something so crazy, she said it. It's just incredible. But exactly as you say, this is where they're at, these California Democrats. Insane. The far left, still in control. People are sick of it here. And that's why I'm running for governor, because we've got to have. We can't go on like this with these lunatics in charge of our beautiful state.

[Buck Sexton]

What do you say, Steve? It's Buck. Thanks for being here with us. To whether it's Gavin Newsom or other Democrats out there, they, they really seem to have taken this point of view that California is actually doing great and that it's awesome and that they're kicking ass and their governance is amazing. Like, they're not trying to excuse or explain any of the shortcomings. They just say that it's been fabulous. I mean, Gavin Newsom, instead of even feeling like he has to defend anything, he just is basically saying California is number one in all these different things and leaves it at that.

[Steve Hilton]

Yeah, well, listen, this is what ties together the Betty Yee interview, the other car crash interview we saw with Katie Porter and Gavin Newsom, all of them, this is what you get. This is the attitude you get after 15 years of one party rule. This total arrogance, entitlement, contempt for the truth, for the reality of people's lives. And they just think they can get away with it because for so long they've had a pliant media in California. They're not used to being asked these kinds of questions and they're not used to being held accountable by a strong opposition party. And that's why I'm really confident when they face a candidate like me who's just not going to let them get away with it, it's going to be a very different story next year in the election. Just specifically on the Gavin Newsom BS that he spews about all of this. I mean, his favorite statistic, he's got to have to slightly adjust it a little bit. He's been saying for a while, oh, everything's great because we have the fourth largest economy in the world. That was true, by the way, until yesterday. We dropped down to fifth, but still, that's good. But beneath that, you've got a story of California as a state now where the rich get richer and the people who own these giant AI and tech companies are doing well. That's the reason we have such a big economy. But at the same time, we have the highest unemployment rate in all of America, the worst in all 50 states. Same with poverty. We have the highest poverty rate. And if you look carefully at what he says, he's always talking about the size of things. We're biggest for this and we're the largest for that. But actually that's going to be true for almost anything because we're the biggest state with the largest population. But if you talk about the actual performance on any metric, we are not just doing badly, we're doing the worst of all 50 states. The worst reading scores for kids in public schools, the worst. The highest taxes, the highest cost for housing, gas, electricity, water, insurer, everything. The worst business climate 10 years in a row. There's literally nothing they can point to as a success. And so they got to do these kind of ridiculous statistical nonsense, but everyone can see, everyone can feel it. That's why you've got a large majority now in California. You say it's time for change. And that's why I'm confident I'm going to win next year.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to Steve Hilton. I want to go to the arson that we found out actually caused the L A fires we hear from a lot of people out there. Adam Carolla was on with us recently. He was. Has a house in one of the communities that was drastically impacted. I see these stories and I hear from people they still can't get rebuilt. What are you seeing and hearing from the people of Los Angeles responding to that wildfire crisis? A lot of the media, the drive by media, as Rush called them, have left and they're not covering the failure of LA to be rebuilt. What do you see and hear on the ground there in the aftermath of those fires?

[Steve Hilton]

Well, it's a total disaster. That is a completely perfect illustration of how they're running the state. So you look at the. Just on the numbers. I looked them up the other day just to get the latest. Malibu is the most egregious in Malibu, 600 homes destroyed. The total number of permits issued for rebuilding, two, Literally two. If you look across the various burned neighborhoods, Altadena, Pacific palisades, it's under 10%. And the reason is that they are. It's this terrible combination which is what's destroying California of far left ideology and incompetent governance, and both of those two things working together. So the ideology comes in when they're now pushing this. This idea that the single family home, that the foundation of the California dream is some evil thing that needs to be fought back and everyone needs to be living in apartments with no parking and taking transit in the name of climate change. I mean, do they live like that? The people who push this? Newsom, does he live in an apartment? Does Nancy Pelosi get around San Francisco on transit? Of course not. It's total elitism and that's the ideology. So they want people to move out so they can build apartments in line with their ideology of what they call density. But the second point is just the sheer incompetence where months ago said she streamlining permitting and whatever, none of that's happened. And I talk to people who literally, they go to the building department every day. There's a different person, there's a different rule. Nothing's been streamlined, nothing's been simplified. They can't get insurance. The insurance people say, we can't give you insurance. Do you get a permit? The permit people say you can't get a permit until you get the insurance. It's just a nightmare for people. No one's gripping it, no one's in charge, whether that's Newsom or Camera Bass locally or Newsom at the state level. And it's just a perfect illustration of everything that's gone wrong in California.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I have to tell you, Steve, there's somebody out there with windswept hair and a shirt buttoned down to his navel who disagrees with you. We want to let you react. Here is Gavin Newsom. His version of California play 33.

[Clay Travis]

I think there's a California derangement syndrome, and he's part of it. I mean, I think people are obsessed with focusing on what's wrong with the state and not what's right with the state. I mean, you have some more scientists, engineers, more researchers, more Nobel laureates in the state than any other state in the nation. We're the fourth largest economy in the world, $4.1 trillion with the finest system of higher education that addresses the issue of equity better than any other public education system in the world. We dominate in every category. Name it. We're the biggest manufacturing state, the biggest farming state in every key category. The, the quality of life here. Consistently, look at the top 10 cities in the United States of America. Consistently, the top five are identified in the state of California.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, so. So obviously preparing. I know. I'm going to give you the floor. He's preparing his stump speech there. And I also feel like a lot of this is. Well, you're also by far the biggest state, Gavin. But, but. Go ahead, Steve.

[Steve Hilton]

Oh, I wished I was able to have a debate with him. I wish he was running again so I could. I could just go for it. First of all, it's exactly what I said. He just says with the biggest. The largest. Yes, we have the largest ag industry, but it's being crushed by their policies, by Gavin Newsom's policies. We should be expanding our farming industry. Instead, it's being destroyed because he refuses to give them water because of their climate agenda, their labor regulations. Makes it more and more expensive. Look at manufacturing.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Steve Hilton]

Which we're largest because we're the largest pretty much in everything because we're the biggest state with the largest population. What's actually happening with manufacturing? You take Nvidia, the world's most valuable company, just announced with President Trump a few months ago, a half trillion dollars of investment in America, none of it in California. It's in Texas, it's in Arizona, because those are places where you can actually build things without years of bureaucratic delay and massive taxes. Everything he says is a lie because it doesn't reflect the truth about what it's like here, which is that we are, on every metric that matters, the worst performing state in America. And that's the Direct result of his policies and his incompetence.

[Clay Travis]

You mentioned Katie Porter. We played the audio. It went mega viral. She was at the time the favorite to be the nominee for California Democrats next year. What was your thought when you saw it? Did it surprise you? What does it say about Katie Porter and California Democrats?

[Steve Hilton]

It did a little bit because I've met her a few times. Most of the polls show that. I mean, we have this top two system in California where you don't have a Republican and Democrat primary, everyone's on the same ballot, and the top two go through to the general election. And for the last few months, I mean, the polls, it's pretty early. There's a large number of don't knows, so I'm not too kind of focused on this, but they pretty consistently show that the top two is Katie Porter and me. And so in months I've been paying attention to her. We see each other every now and again at these candidate forums. Not a real debate, but, you know, the ineptness on display there, the fact that you just couldn't answer a basic question and completely lost it was really surprising to me. But again, what's interesting is that the machine doesn't care. The Democrat machine. This arrogant, entitled bunch of people who think that they've got the right to rule forever in California. How dare you ask me questions. How dare anyone think that they're going to interrupt our control of this state. Right back in behind her, you had unions coming out with statements saying, yes, we're for Katie Porter. Still, we don't want someone polite. We need someone who's going to fight all this nonsense. The real interesting question, though, is that the Democrat machine in California overall is still run by Nancy Pelosi, who can't stand Katie Porter. And so even before this meltdown, the rumor mill here was saying that they are looking for another candidate because they don't want Katie Porter, because they don't control her, actually. And so right now the speculation is that they are trying to recruit Alex Padilla. He's the US Senator who made a fool of himself barging into Christine Noem's press conference. He's the guy that they want. And I'd say bring it on, because he's just another completely complete mediocrity. Another machine politician who just spout the party line, controlled by the unions and cannot possibly represent the change that we need in California.

[Clay Travis]

Steve Hilton, if people like what they're hearing here, how can they find out? How can they get involved?

[Steve Hilton]

Thank you and I appreciate that. Steve Hilton4Governor.com F O R Look, we got to. It's not just California, wherever you're listening in the country. So let's go right back to where we started with the trans athletes and biological men and girl sports. That all started here in California. They passed that law in 2013. As governor, I would overturn it, but it's a good example of how so many of the crazy far left insanity that's been inflicted on the rest of the country starts in California. So help me beat it here. Steve Hilton for governor.com Good stuff, Steve.

[Clay Travis]

We'll talk to you again. Keep up the good fight. We appreciate you.

[Steve Hilton]

Fantastic. See you soon. Cheers, guys.

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