Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Oct 8 2025

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Daily Review with Clay and Buck – October 8, 2025
Podcast Summary

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Episode Overview

In this Wednesday edition, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dive into the ongoing government shutdown, offering critical commentary with their trademark blend of humor and insight. Broadcasting from Washington, D.C., Buck remarks on the changes to the city’s atmosphere amid furloughed federal workers. Key topics include the James Comey trial update, the viral Katie Porter interview, and an in-depth discussion with Senator Rand Paul on the shutdown’s causes, the federal debt crisis, and healthcare subsidies. The episode serves as an exploration of national political dynamics, with sharp criticism of bureaucracy, lawfare, and progressive leadership.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Living Through the Government Shutdown (00:00–05:36, 16:59–24:34)

• Empty D.C.: Buck Sexton recounts his experience in a shutdown-affected D.C., enjoying clear streets and easy access everywhere due to the absence of government workers.
  • “The roadways are wide open. You can drive anywhere. It is a ghost town in all the best ways.” – Buck Sexton (02:54)
• Critique of Bureaucracy: Buck leverages the shutdown to question the necessity of a large federal workforce.
  • “What do we need all these government workers for if everything seems fine without them going to their jobs?” – Buck (03:30)
• Potential Upsides: He muses that the shutdown demonstrates which services are genuinely essential and calls for a reduction in the federal bureaucracy.

2. James Comey Trial Update & Lawfare Debate (05:36–16:59)

• Breaking News Recap: Clay shares a live update: James Comey, former FBI director, pleaded not guilty to two federal charges—lying to Congress and obstructing a congressional proceeding (06:00).
  • “He has entered a plea of not guilty to two charges federal level…accused of lying in front of Congress back in 2020.” – Clay Travis (06:00)
• Responding to Criticism: Clay pushes back at critics worried about political prosecutions, pointing out Democrats' weaponization of “lawfare” against Donald Trump.
  • “Have you been asleep for the last decade?...The stuff that they have done, the lawfare they have done against Trump…has done tremendous damage.” – Clay (07:40)
• Accountability & Double Standard: Buck emphasizes the importance of holding “the other side” accountable, regardless of a conviction.
  • “The message is received whether Comey is found guilty or not…We are not going to just lie down and accept a two-tiered system of justice in this town.” – Buck (13:40)
• Jury Prospects: Buck expresses skepticism that Comey will be convicted due to a sympathetic Northern Virginia jury pool.
  • “It’s still a steep climb. This is a little bit of ice skating uphill here to think that James Comey is going to actually be convicted.”—Buck (12:40)
• Historic Parallels: Buck and Clay discuss Comey’s prosecution of Martha Stewart, comparing his conduct to Dr. Fauci's, as exemplars of self-aggrandizing bureaucracy.
  • “So much of Comey, I will tell you this, so much of Comey reminds me of Foushee…the same personality type.” – Buck (16:59)

3. The Viral Katie Porter Interview & Bad Boss Allegations (24:34–36:37)

• Porter’s Misstep: The episode features a detailed play-by-play (with audio clips) of a combative interview between California gubernatorial candidate Katie Porter and CBS’s Julie Watts (24:34–28:57).
  • “I feel like this is unnecessarily argumentative. What is your question?” – Rep. Katie Porter (25:35)
• Porter’s Dismissive Attitude: Porter ends the interview abruptly, refusing further questions, and is characterized by Buck as “nasty and unprofessional,” coining her as “Ogrish.”
• Allegations of Abuse: Buck revisits Porter’s past, citing divorce proceedings and news stories alleging abusive behavior toward her ex-husband and staff:
  • “Representative Katie Porter scalded ex husband scalp with boiling potatoes…All of those things in court documents.” – Buck (30:35)
• High Staff Turnover: Politico is cited for reporting her as a “bad boss,” further painting a portrait of an abrasive political figure.
• Democratic Leadership Critique: Buck draws a generalization: “Somehow the really nasty people in politics…are always Democrats.”
  • He references similar allegations against Sen. Amy Klobuchar for throwing things at staffers.

4. In-Depth Interview: Senator Rand Paul (38:36–51:40)

Government Shutdown & Democratic Strategy

• Who’s to Blame?: Senator Paul clarifies that current spending levels were set under Biden and supported by every Democrat prior; the present impasse centers on temporary Obamacare subsidies (39:12–40:11).
  • “These are the Biden spending levels. And every Democrat has previously voted for them…because they want to renew these temporary Obamacare subsidies. That’s moving the goalpost.” – Sen. Rand Paul (39:12)
• About the Subsidies: Paul denounces the subsidies as mostly benefiting wealthier Americans, increasingly funded by borrowing or printing money.
  • “These Obamacare subsidies aren’t really going for the poor. They’re actually going to relatively rich people now.” – Sen. Paul (40:25)

Healthcare for Illegal Immigrants

• Welfare for Illegals: Paul asserts that, despite laws to the contrary, illegal aliens receive benefits and, in some states, even vote.
  • “We do know that illegal people illegally in the country are voting. We also know that they're receiving health care as well.” – Sen. Paul (42:05)

Congressional Budget Dysfunction

• Lack of Real Cuts: Paul criticizes both parties for reluctance to make real cuts, with only about 60% of Senate Republicans supporting his “Penny Plan” budget; all Democrats are opposed (47:07).
  • “There are no Democrats that will vote to cut one penny of $1 of federal spending. On the Republican side, there's a lot of lip service.” – Sen. Paul (47:07)
• Entitlements Off the Table: Argues that meaningful reform is impossible if Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid remain untouched.
  • “If you take all of these entitlements off the table, you really, there isn't enough waste and fraud to cut to actually balance the budget.” – Sen. Paul (48:17)
• Public Will for Change?: Paul claims most voters do support deep spending cuts and a balanced budget—but not the politicians themselves.

The Shutdown’s Short-Term Outlook

• Predictions: Paul predicts Democrats will hold out for a few days due to a planned left-wing rally in D.C. and then fold (49:10).
  • “The rumor is they will fight through the weekend and then give in next week.” – Sen. Paul (49:10)

Market-Based Healthcare Reform

• Bulk Insurance Bargaining: Paul proposes allowing groups like Costco members to collectively buy health insurance for lower rates.
  • “The rule that's keeping us from doing this is a federal rule that says you can buy insurance with a group. We all have to be in the same employment…which is a really dumb rule.” – Sen. Paul (50:45)
  • “That's the one thing you could do that is a market phenomenon…that actually would bring down health care costs.” – Sen. Paul (51:40)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On D.C. during Shutdown:
  “It feels like the swamp has been cleared. ...Perfect weather, no bureaucrats, and you can drive anywhere.” – Buck (03:30–04:30)

• On Lawfare:
  “They sent an FBI team to Mar-A-Lago and they went through Melania's sock drawer and libs want to lecture us about James Comey...” – Buck (09:00)

• On Porter’s Interview Meltdown:
  “She comes across as a really nasty and unlikable person and unprofessional.” – Buck (25:10)
  “What part of I'm me, I'm running for governor because I'm a leader. ...So you're not going to answer questions from reporters.” – Porter and Watts (28:22)

• On Political Dysfunction:
  “Big government always wins. But I think the public's getting increasingly frustrated with it. So there's going to be a time at which the public is going to say let's, you know, let's throw some of the bums out.” – Sen. Paul (49:00)

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Important Timestamps

• Experience of D.C. during the shutdown: 00:00–05:36
• James Comey trial update and lawfare discussion: 05:36–16:59
• Katie Porter interview and analysis: 24:34–36:37
• Rand Paul interview starts: 38:36
  • On Democratic spending and subsidies: 39:12
  • On healthcare for illegals: 42:05
  • On Congressional unwillingness to cut spending: 47:07
  • On group insurance market reform: 50:45

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Conclusion

This episode offers a critical and lighthearted take on the government shutdown, judicial accountability, and political leadership. Clay and Buck don’t shy from calling out what they see as hypocrisy, inefficiency, and arrogance—whether it be bureaucrats enjoying power, politicians evading tough questions, or entrenched spending priorities in Washington. Their conversation with Senator Rand Paul underscores the entrenched dysfunction in D.C.—and the challenge of changing course amid rising debt and partisan gridlock.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

This is an iHeart podcast. People ask us all the time how we can save the next generation. We've got our show and the info is an antidote. But we also have a couple books coming out. Clay. That's right. And you can pre order both of them right now and be book nerds just like us. You'll laugh, you'll nod, and you'll get smarter, too. Mine's called Balls How Trump Young Men and Sports Saved America. And mine is Manufacturing Delusion, how the left Uses Brainwashing, Indoctrination and Propaganda against you. Both are great reads. One might even say they would make fabulous gifts. Indeed. So do us a solid and preorder yours on Amazon today. Welcome everybody to the Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Continuing government shutdown edition. And I got a lot of news to talk to you about today. And we're going to be joined by a couple senators to discuss some of it. Senator Rand Paul in the second hour, Senator Ron Johnson in the third hour. I am here in our nation's capital. So figure she talked to some of the lawmakers and legislators and people making the decisions, and they have a little more time on their hands because of this shutdown situation. We've also got Trump weighing in heavily on the National Guard deployment to Chicago. He's got some choice Trump words, James Comey, his trial. I've got updates for you on that. I've also got a, well, some, some Pam Bondi hearing stuff that we can discuss a little bit of. I just wanted to start with this, though. DC Is absolutely lovely right now. It is incredible being here. Now, some of it might be the increase in safety because of the Trump agenda. But just, just hear me out. The government shutdown means that this city is wide open. There's, there's no one clogging the streets. The roadways are wide open. You can drive anywhere. It is a ghost town in all the best ways. So I'm having a great time. I'm walking around the broad boulevards, barely a soul in sight. The restaurants, you can get a table anywhere. I can drive around. D.C. has among the worst traffic congestion areas in the entire country. D.C. is pretty much always a top five contender and often a top three for the worst traffic. And you have hundreds of thousands of government workers who are currently on furlough, not going into these massive federal buildings, pushing a bunch of paper around. So the city is great. I gotta say, this shutdown, it's a fantastic time to be in this town and having some meetings with Various stakeholders and movers and shakers here. Some of it off the record, but it's interesting stuff that's going on. That much I can tell you. Some people are saying very interesting meetings, very interesting for Mr. Buck. But yeah, I have to check in on my people here in D.C. sometimes. I'm just saying it's a great time, but why should you care about that? Well, what do we need all these government workers for if everything seems fine without them going to their jobs? I think it's a fair ask. Remember, the Pentagon is still going Public safety. There's essential and non essential services in this town. And the non essential includes a lot of people who I think are remote work, remote workers anyway, or have been. And everything seems to be functioning just fine. I don't know, maybe if you have to wait in line longer than normal or you can't get into the, like the certain areas of a national park, you're upset. But for me, walking around our nation's capital, it feels like the swamp has been cleared. It's great. And I think that it's a reminder that we have a massive and bloated federal bureaucracy. And if there are some changes made to that as part of the shutdown, to me that is a good thing. That is a good thing. But yeah, I think this is one of the. You have perfect weather, no bureaucrats, and you can drive anywhere here in this town now in less than 10 minutes. This is the best version of D.C. i can remember. I mean, this is great. So I'm having a lot of fun here. Uh, and I'm down here, of course, in our, in our DC I Heart studio. All right, now with that said, we've got some, some updates on a whole range of things. Oh, this is what I was looking for when I started off the show. Katie Porter. We will discuss this. She's running for governor. She's a congresswoman. See, she is not a particularly affable one and may have done some real damage to her campaign. You're just gonna have to hear this exchange, but I will play that one for you. It has gone mega viral. She can be very nasty. Kind of a nasty exchange with a journalist who's trying to ask her some questions. So we will get to that as well, that Katie Porter situation. But as I had mentioned to you, we have as of this morning update here on the James Comey trial. I believe it is going to be happening January 5th. It is set for. So that's pretty quick. They're, they're moving pretty fast on this one. And here is FOX News is Bill Hemmer. This is from this morning. Just with that breaking news and laying out some of what's going on here for sanktacomy.

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[Clay Travis]

Here is the breaking news. The former FBI director James Comey in front of a judge moments ago in a hearing that we did not think would last long. And apparently that is the case. He has entered a plea of not guilty to two charges federal level. Now our producers inside the courtroom say the former director accused of lying to Congress, obstructing aggression, congressional proceeding, end of the plea moments ago in front of the judge Michael Nachman off appointed by Joe Biden, not guilty on both federal charges. He's accused of lying in front of Congress back in 2020. So that is the update inside the courtroom. So now he's going to trial. One of the most hilarious arguments against this that I keep seeing all over the place from the libs is, oh my gosh, the precedent that has been set here. What would you do, Republicans, if people started to use prosecutors offices as weapons of politics? And to this you just want to say, have you been asleep for the last decade? Do you have any idea what has gone on with four different criminal cases brought against Donald Trump, all of which were bogus civil cases brought against Trump by the state of New York in one case and by a woman who claims from 30 years ago, 30 something years ago, Trump grabbed her in a department store. The stuff that they have done, the lawfare they have done against Trump and his family alone has done tremendous damage to the public's faith in all of these different facets of our criminal justice system or just our justice system of the courts, too, because some of it was civilization. This is atrocious. I mean, the things that have gone on here, the precedents that have already been set, now they want to tell us we should be worried about going too far in the other direction. No, they already did this. In fact, what they have done, what the Democrats have done specifically with the targeted lawfare against Donald Trump, among many others, it's really Trump and Trump world, everybody who is Trump adjacent all the way to January, six defendants, right? It's the whole Trump movement that they have used the prosecutor's office, they have used lawfare as a, as a tool, as a weapon to ruin lives, to put tremendous pressure on people, to financially drain them, to undermine them, to malign them, to defame them. All of that they have already done. They sent an FBI team to Mar A Lago and they went through Melania's Sock drawer and libs want to lecture us about James Comey, who allegedly lied under oath, facing the music. I'm sorry, is there some special carve out for being a, you know, 6 foot 10 jerk who uses the law in order to puff himself up and as part of his own just malignant narcissism, Is there some carve out where he doesn't have to actually face the music the way that he has made so many others and I think entrapped people and abused the law, most notably General Flynn? I like to fill in these gaps, too. So no one can say, well, you just said he's abusing. No, I like to give you the specifics to remind everybody. To remind everybody that James Comey thought it was funny to use the Logan act, which no serious human being thinks anybody can or would be prosecuted under, as a total pretext. It's like the equivalent of a swatting call. It is a bad faith use of law enforcement to go after the General Michael Flynn, the incoming National Security Advisor. I know it feels like that was a long time ago, but there hasn't been. Well, maybe you don't feel that way, but they'll say that. But there's been no justice for that. That ambush hasn't been punished. And James Comey thinks that he's a clever guy for the whole thing and he thinks that. What was that book, I think was Higher Power. Is that right? Higher Power or something like that? I'm. Now, the real question you might ask is, is James Comey's book a more brutal read than Kamala's 107 days? I cannot answer that question because I haven't read Comey's book. But I will tell you that is some stiff competition that is, you know, Superman versus Iron man with the, like the super suit, you know, I mean, that is tough stuff. Really, really preposterous that James Comey would think anybody would want to read his memoir and on his book tour. But such as things are, he is now facing the music and there's the possibility. I think it's slim. I don't want to over promise and under deliver ever on this show. I think it is slim. But here's what I will tell that, that he will actually be convicted because it's a. It's a Northern Virginia jury. I was just saying how much fun. How much fun DC Is with no government bureaucrats running around. They all live in Arlington mostly. You know, they live a lot of them inside or just outside of the Beltway. It's going to Be a very favorable pool for James Comey. But here's why I view this as so important. The message is received whether Comey is found guilty or not. The message is received that there will at least be an effort to hold the other side to the law and not create a system. This is really important, a system where we are held to an extra legal standard and they are held to a sub legal standard. Or rather, they get to break the law and get away with it. Meanwhile, they get to prosecute us, Trump, for not breaking the law and we do nothing in response. We have to at least establish that we will bring charges against people who have been involved in this lawfare, involved in using the government, the deep state, however you want to describe it, to take out people for purely political reasons. Well, if they break the law in that process, there will be some form of accountability. And now there is going to be, I think, a pretty high probability just based on the jury pool, that Comey will be found. In my mind, he'll be found not guilty, he'll be acquitted on this. But let's see, let's see. It's a pretty straightforward thing. Did he lie or did he not lie? Let's see what kind of case the prosecutor. I know, I don't want to prejudge anything here. Let's see what is produced in that court. You don't need to call me and say, buck, you're already getting ahead of the, you know, cart before the horse here. I know, but I just, I like to manage our expectations for where this is going. It's a, it's still a steep climb. This is a little bit of ice skating uphill here to think that James Comey is going to actually be convicted. But the fact that the charge has been brought alone sends a message. We are not going to just lie down and accept a two tiered system of justice in this town, Washington, D.C. or anywhere else for that matter. And that is important. That is something that we all have to recognize as a necessary step because otherwise it's, you know, heads they win, tails we lose. Did I do that one right? That's always, I always feel like I'm gonna get that one wrong. It's like Bush when he's like, fool me once, can't, can't get fooled again. You know, it's tougher to say it, especially on a live radio show, than you think it's gonna be, you know, but that, that's where this is right now, my friends. That is the situation. I was just talking before I came on air today about how much we love our Cozy Earth sheets. And also we've got a blanket. 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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back into Clay and Buck. I've been warning people for years about this Comey guy and I wish if the president at the time had pulled me aside and asked me early on in his first term, I would have shared. All you have to know about James Comey, you would know from the way he acted with respect to the Martha Stewart prosecution, a prosecution that nobody in his office but him wanted to bring. A prosecution for which there was no crime, not even any money made or lost. It was just, the whole thing was absurd. And Martha Stewart is a huge Democrat who does not like Trump and does not like Republicans. And this is just about what's, what's fair and decent. It's not about politics. But, but Comey really has always thought of himself as like the high priest of the doj. So much of Comey, I will tell you this, so much of Comey reminds me of Foushee. Foushee is like the, the, you know, the, the Lilliputian version of Comey they have. It's the same personality type. They pretend it's all about the cause in the institution. It's really all about them. And they get this solipsism, word of the day, solipsism from all of this. And you like that one producer Ali likes that one. And I'm not the only one warning you about this guy or have been warning about this guy for a long time. The great Rush LIMBAUGH, back in 2019, he saw exactly who James Comey was and also knew about his past, which we should all be reminded of. Play 2. How many of you have have heard or thought that James Comey was a lifelong Republican? I have. I've always thought that James Comey was a lifelong Republican. I've been told that James Comey is a lifelong Republican. Turns out not to be true. Are you aware that James Comey used to be a Communist? In a 2003 interview with New York magazine, James Comey said before voting for Jamie Carter, Jimmy Carter, 1980, he'd been a communist. He admitted I'd moved from communist to whatever I am now. Now we know that John Brennan, Obama's CIA director, was a communist, or at least had voted for the Communist Party. But I had never heard this about Comey. Now we find out that under Obama, the CIA director and the FBI director both had histories of not just flirtation, but serious immersion into communism. And like the KGB always said, no one ever leaves the kgb. Nobody ever leaves. This way of thinking isn't that interesting. You start to see how for some of these individuals, there was an ideological foundation of communism. And these are people who are at the top of the national security apparatus in this country in recent years. Communism. And then they become some malleable chameleon in politics just so they can weave their way through the bureaucracy. But do you think they've ever really changed their collectivist foundation? Rush didn't think that Comey had, or Brennan for that matter. And he was right. He warned us about this. 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Join this movement today. Get 82% off. You'll be so glad you did. Go to this website, insider2025.com paid for by Paradigm Press. Second hour of play and buck kicks off right now. We're going to have Senator Rand Paul joining us at the bottom about the government shutdown, which I have to say for my own reasons here in D.C. i am loving every minute of. It's amazing. I feel like I could hop on an electric scooter and just do a little tour of the town and not have to stop anywhere because there's no one on the streets. It's fabulous. You know, I just put a little scarf on, you know, in case it gets chilly on the scooter. And I go Capitol Building, Georgetown. Stop by the White House. High five, Steve Miller. See how everybody's doing. That's the kind of day it is over here. It's wonderful, wonderful. They don't have all the, all the bureaucrats, you know, jostling together and, you know, making the line at Starbucks 100 people long. None of that stuff. This government shutdowns. Pretty nice. Pretty nice. So let's dive into politics in California for a minute, shall we? Because a lot of you have seen this. It's gone viral. As you know, we have Steve Hilton on and talk about his run for governor in that state. Gavin Newsom. Hey, everybody, how are you doing? He's termed out. He is going to run for president, quite obviously, and he has to give up his governor's mansion to whoever the next person to win that contest is going to be. And it's looking right now, at least on the Democrat side of things, it's looking like Katie Porter is the likeliest to win. Now, every state has different rules about how this stuff goes. California, as I understand it, and some of you live there, so you're going to know this better than I do, has like a top two situation. So you have all these people that are going to be running and then the top two vote getters are going to be on the, in the general election, the ballot in November of 2026. I think that's right. If it's wrong, my team will tell me in a moment and I'll correct it. But I think that's basically how it goes. But Katie Porter is. Is getting a lot of attention she probably did not want right now. In fact, the Newsweek headline here is, Katie Porter's chances of winning California Governor Election suffer Blow. And let's get into why that is. She sat down with a journalist. She sat down with a journalist and had the exchange team. Can I do this? Actually, Producer MIKE let's, let's do a little. A little play pause here. Right, so I'm gonna play it. I'm gonna say. All right, let's pause for a second here because this is a long one. It's a couple minutes long, so I want to get in and out of this sound bite, but I want you to hear the whole thing because, wow, Katie Porter comes across as a really nasty and unlikable person and unprofessional. So let's start this off. This is a CBS interview with Julie Watts of CBS News, California. Come on. It's cbs, and this is Communist Broadcasting Services. Like this. This is not. This is home team stuff for Porter. But if you ask her real questions, she apparently doesn't like it. This is how it goes. Play it.

[Journalist Julie Watts]

What do you say to the 40% of California voters who you'll need in order to win who voted for Trump?

[Katie Porter]

How would I need them in order to win, ma'?

[Clay Travis]

Am?

[Journalist Julie Watts]

Well, unless you think you're gonna get 60% of the vote. You think you'll get 60%, all. Everybody who did not vote for Trump will vote for you.

[Katie Porter]

That's what you're thinking in a general election? Yes. If it is me versus a Republican, I think that I will win the people who did not vote for Trump.

[Journalist Julie Watts]

What if it's you versus another Democrat?

[Katie Porter]

I don't intend that to be the case.

[Journalist Julie Watts]

So how do you not intend that to be the case? Do you. Are you going to ask them not to run?

[Katie Porter]

No, no. I'm saying I'm going to build the support. I have the support already in terms of name recognition. And so I'm going to do the very best I can to make sure that we get through this primary in a really strong position. But let me be clear with you. I represented Orange County. I represented a purple area. I have stood on my own two feet and won Republican votes before. That's not something every candidate in this race can say. Say if you're from a deep blue area, if you're from LA or you're from Oakland, you haven't. You don't have an experience.

[Journalist Julie Watts]

You just said you don't need those Trump voters.

[Katie Porter]

But you asked me if I needed them to win.

[Journalist Julie Watts]

So you don't.

[Katie Porter]

I feel like this is unnecessarily argumentative. What is your question?

[Journalist Julie Watts]

The question is.

[Clay Travis]

Whoa, whoa. Let's pause there for a second. Let's pause there for a second because it's about to get really good. Everybody, I want to keep you on the edge of your seats. Argumentative. Argumentative. I got to tell you, as a conservative Democratic, dealing with the media, like, that's like a. Like a shiatsu massage. That's not argumentative. Like, are you kidding me? That's. She can't handle that. That's getting her all. Oh, oh, you're just hearing the beginning of Hurricane Porter unleashed here. Things are. Things are going to get worse. Keep playing.

[Journalist Julie Watts]

It is the same thing I asked everybody that this is being called the Empowering Voters to Stop Trump's Power Grab. Every other candidate has answered this question. This is not correct.

[Katie Porter]

And I said I support it.

[Senator Rand Paul]

So.

[Journalist Julie Watts]

And the question is, what do you say to the 40% of voters who voted for Trump?

[Katie Porter]

Oh, I'm happy to say that it's the, do you need them to win? Part that I don't understand. I'm happy to answer the question as you have it written, and I'll answer it.

[Journalist Julie Watts]

And we've also asked the other candidates, do you think you need any of those 40% of California voters to win? And you're saying, no, you don't.

[Katie Porter]

No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win every vote I can. And what I'm saying to you is.

[Journalist Julie Watts]

That, well, to those voters. Okay, so you.

[Katie Porter]

I don't want to keep doing this. I'm going to call it. Thank you.

[Clay Travis]

Whoa, whoa. Hey. Hit the pause button. Hit the pause button. She can't handle that. What exactly is. Look, is there. Is the reporter maybe. Are things getting a little lost in translation here about the numbers? Look, she's. She's a CBS journalist. She's trying to, you know, she could be doing, like, sideline reporting for the NFL or something. She happens to be here with this politician. Who cares? Here she is, and she's trying to just. She's just trying to do, like, a decent job. This is not a gotcha. I know. Gotcha. Every time I used to go on cnn, it was like an ambush, and I had to fight through it. I know what got you is like, this is not gotcha. This is trying to just clarify a point. But also, you can tell Katie Porter has decided. Congresswoman Porter has decided to really, you know, sink her teeth into this. And I think just comes across as ogrish, if you will. I use that term people like that one online ogress, as in befitting of an ogre. It's not nice. Not nice. The way she's acting here. Not nice. Keep playing it.

[Journalist Julie Watts]

You're not gonna do the interview with us?

[Katie Porter]

Nope. Not like this I'm not. Not with seven follow ups to every.

[Journalist Julie Watts]

Single question you ask every other candidate has answered.

[Katie Porter]

I don't care. I want to have a pleasant, positive conversation which you ask me about every issue on this list. And if every question you, you're going to make up a follow up question, then we're never going to get there and we're just going to circle around. I have never had to do this before, ever.

[Journalist Julie Watts]

You've never had to have conversation with.

[Katie Porter]

To end an interview.

[Journalist Julie Watts]

Okay, but every other candidate has done this.

[Katie Porter]

What part of I'm me, I'm running for governor because I'm a leader. So I am going to make.

[Journalist Julie Watts]

So you're not going to answer questions from reporters. Okay, why don't we go through. I will continue to ask follow up questions because that's my job as a journalist. But I will go through and ask these. And if you don't want to answer, you don't want to answer. So nearly every legislative.

[Katie Porter]

I am. I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you and I don't want this all on camera.

[Journalist Julie Watts]

I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you either. I would love to continue to ask these questions so that we can show our viewers what every candidate feels about every one of these issues that they care about.

[Clay Travis]

Isn't that amazing? Also notice the manipulation there. I'm not a psychiatrist, so I'm not going to say that has hints of maybe borderline personality disorder or causing a problem and then saying right away that you're not the one who wants to cause the problem that you just cause. You know, I'm not going to diagnose this, but I can tell you this, there are people who could strikes me as not a good moment for Katie Porter. But let's if you want. Maybe you're saying, you know, maybe she had a bad day, she wants to be the governor of the fifth largest economy in the world. You know, maybe we should just say look to the record and get a sense as to what is the real Katie Porter like, you know, anyone can have a bad day, right? Anyone can have a bad day. Maybe you want, I mean I don't particularly want to take that position on this, but I want to bring you this story from 2023. Representative Katie Porter scalded ex husband scalp with boiling potatoes. Documents I shall read. The former husband of Representative Katie Porter said the California Democrat frequently abused him verbally. This is from the New York Post. And threw toys, books and other objects at him during their marriage, even pouring scalding hot mashed potatoes on his head during a fight, according to divorce records. Matthew Hoffman, who filed for divorce from Porter in 2013, said in a request for a restraining order dated April 30 of that year that he was routinely called a bleeping idiot and a bleak bleeping incompetent by his rage prone spouse, who also shattered a glass coffee pot on their kitchen counter in March 2012 when she felt their house wasn't clean enough. She's delightful. Delightful. She would not have let me have a cell phone because she said, quote, you're too bleeping dumb to operate it.

[Senator Rand Paul]

Wow.

[Clay Travis]

When she gets angry, I'm quoting here, when she gets angry, she will claw and scratch her arms and then say to me, look what you made me do. Again, I am not a psychiatrist, but Google borderline personality disorder. Google some of what's going on here. The creation of the problem and then the pretense once you've created it, that you don't want drama. I'm not the, I'm not the one starting the fire here. I don't want anyone starting fires when you've thrown the gasoline all over the fire you started. Now, I know, I know what the Democrats would say here. They'd say, oh, but he retracted that and she ended up. Oh, you mean that his far more powerful spouse and the very serious money interests aligned behind her were able to get him to retract something that he had already put it in a divorce proceeding because they made him an offer probably he couldn't refuse. Yeah, okay, but that did happen. So he retracted those things. But he said all those things in court documents and they were reported on, which I think is interesting. Again, I'm just looking at the totality of evidence. Are we going to say that Katie Porter had a bad day or were we getting a window into this member of Congress who wants to be the governor of California and from there probably would see herself as running for president. So I think it's a pretty fair game to get into all this. But you may say, buck, divorce proceedings can get ugly. I mean, who among us hasn't thrown boiling hot potatoes at somebody in a fit of rage at some point? Well, all of You, I'm sure. But, you know, we're trying to be generous here. I'm. I'm trying to take the maximum benefit point of view for the Ogrish Katie Porter, the bullying Katie Porter here. And, and so that I would then just say, well, clearly she would have a lot of people who would come forward who have worked with her to speak to what an impeccable character she has, what a kind and encouraging boss and mentor she is. And for that, I bring you Politico Katie Porter and the bad boss problem. Oh, hold on a second. This isn't that at all. This is pretty bad. Quote, some former staff, Former staffers have said that she is. I'm trying to find the. The quotes here. Basically deeply abusive and nasty and prone to fits of rage and temper tantrums. And, yeah, it's abusive to staff. Has a massive staff turnover problem. 65% of her staff turned over during her time there. And everyone basically says at least that has worked for her. Says that she's horrible and really mean. So are we gonna put these data points together? I think we should. I think we should. I don't think we can do the benefit of the doubt thing anymore. 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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We are joined by Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. Senator Paul, always appreciate you making time for us today.

[Senator Rand Paul]

No problem. Thanks for having me.

[Clay Travis]

Government shutdown so far, I gotta say, it's pretty nice walking around the streets of D.C. i know that's a very basic view of things, but government seems to be working reasonably well for a so called shutdown. What is, as you as you see it at issue today? Why have we seen no progress in the Schumer shutdown negotiations?

[Senator Rand Paul]

Well, I think the great irony of this situation is that every Democrat in the Senate and every Democrat virtually in the House as well, voted for these spending levels in December of last year. So this continuing resolution has spending levels that were actually set under Biden. These are the Biden spending levels. And every Democrat has previously voted for them. The reason they're not voting for them now, at least according to the Democrats, is, well, we want to renew these temporary Obamacare subsidies. Well, that's moving the goalpost because these people have all voted for the spending bill before and it doesn't include the Obamacare subsidies, never has. And the reason the Obamacare subsidies are expiring is because that's the law that the Democrats wrote. They wrote them to be temporary because they were trying to cram a lot of spending into a reconciliation bill. And the only way they could do it was to make things temporary. So really this is all on the Democrats and eventually they will fold and they will vote to reopen the government.

[Clay Travis]

Now why are the, if you could dig into this a bit, Senator Paul, why are these subsidies for Obamacare both so important to Democrats and so necessary?

[Senator Rand Paul]

Well, you know, the argument with Obamacare when it started, you know, back around 2010, was that it was going to keep healthcare insurance prices from going up and make health care more affordable. It turns out if you look at healthcare insurance prices, they've gone up ever since. There's been no slowdown in the increase in healthcare prices. In fact, when you subsidize something, you're increasing the demand for it. You actually are in all likelihood increasing the price of things. But they haven't been successful. These Obamacare subsidies aren't really going for the poor. They're actually going to relatively rich people now. And like I say, they were brought in by the Democrats during the pandemic. They were said to be, oh, well, people are having a tough time. Pandemic. We're going to give them extra money. The real problem, though, that nobody discusses around here is there is no money to give these people. I mean, the money literally has to be borrowed from China or printed up by the Federal Reserve. We're $2 trillion short with the current levels of welfare and warfare, frankly, and we're $2 trillion short a year. Where's the money come from? It's to be borrowed.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, well, with gold that, I think $4,000 an ounce now, I mean, I think people are starting to see that the printing press is very much in use, unfortunately. And I wanted to know if you could also look into or explain to us a little bit, Senator Paul, the argument over whether some of this funding or whatever the portion may be makes it to subsidize care for illegals. You're an MD as well as a senator, so you have a particular insight into this. What is the truth of that?

[Senator Rand Paul]

Well, it's confusing in the sense that we do have many laws. It's say welfare is not supposed to go to illegal aliens. But we also have laws that say illegal aliens aren't supposed to vote either. And we know for a fact that illegal aliens are. The most recent prominent case of them voting was a guy that was that superintendent from Des Moines who was here in the country illegally and registered to vote and voting in Maryland and had been for some time. So we know that the states, particularly the Democrat states that have very lax rules, California and others, they just don't really police the situation. Also, we do know that illegal people illegally in the country are voting. We also know that they're receiving health care as well. So in legislation that previously passed by Republicans, language was explicitly put in to say it cannot and should not happen. And the Democrats are trying to repeal that language now and try to make it such that states could make the decision to give welfare and, you know, voting privileges to illegal aliens.

[Clay Travis]

Senator Paul, this isn't the first. I think this is the 11th shutdown. Right, but this isn't your first rodeo with this. And I think in the past, what has been at least a narrative the media pounds, whether it's really fair or true or not, is, oh, the Republicans are being blamed. This is gonna hurt Republicans politically. I'm certainly not seeing that. And I don't think whatever data that can be trusted on this, to the degree can be trusted, shows that. What is the, as you see it for the Democrats I'll speak to specifically, if you could speak to maybe on just the Senate side, what is their calculation here? Why have they decided that this is the Hill they want to fight on?

[Senator Rand Paul]

I think they're miscalculated. They also, I think the Republicans have not hit them hard enough yet. I mean, the Republicans. I'm about the only one I hear reminding people that the Democrats all voted for these spending levels nine months ago. They're the exact same spending levels. One reason Republicans don't bring this up is Republicans used to be critical of the Biden spending levels, but now the Republicans are all voting for the spending levels levels. That's why I'm really the only Republican voting against not only the Democrat spending levels, but voting against Republican levels because they incurred a deficit this year of about 2 trillion and are projected to incur a deficit next year of about 2.1 trillion. So I think both parties are terrible on the deficit. I'm voting against both the Republican and the Democrat plan because the one thing that is bipartisan up here is spending money we don't have.

[Clay Travis]

We're going to be at 40 trillion then in this debt really soon. And you know, Elon Musk came in with Doge and there seemed to be this moment in time, Senator, where there was at least the beginnings of a willingness to do something about this. It does not look like that has really come to fruition. Maybe that's putting it too gently, that we're even trying to turn the spending curve around. Do you think that there will be, I know the White House has spoken about this. Some substantial trimming of federal employees that will occur during the shutdown. How does that work?

[Senator Rand Paul]

We know Doge did a lot of good things. I was a big supporter of Elon Musk and the thing he brought to government. We did end up voting on two rescission packages or one, but then they did one as a pocket rescission. And so about 12 billion in foreign aid was reduced. I've been championing reductions in foreign aid for a decade, decade here and have introduced over 35 bills to do it. This is the first time we've done it since I'm here. But the problem is the continuing resolution that Republicans have put forward spins at the currently appropriated levels for foreign aid that doesn't include the $12 billion in cuts. So basically, if they pass the continuing resolution that Republicans want everybody to vote for now, it'll have the foreign aid back in it. And so if you want to get rid of foreign aid again, we will have to do the same thing again next year. So taking away the 12 billion that didn't become the new baseline, it's not a lower baseline for foreign aid. They're going back to the original one with this continuing resolution. So it's another reason not to be too excited about what the Republicans have put forward, is that we're going to start all over again with the things that Doge put forward and the rescission packages. We have to do it again next year.

[Clay Travis]

Do you think there's any realistic scenario where there's a willingness on the Republican side to make what has to happen for real cuts to be made? I mean, I feel like we've been talking about this. You have? I have a lot of. A lot of everybody listening now talking about this, going back to the origins of the Tea Party. So this is looking like, what, 15 years of when are we gonna make cuts? The debt is too high. The debt is too high. We just discussed that. It's gonna be at $40 trillion. When. When do we decide to do something about this? Or is it just a waste of discussion at this point because we haven't suffered the economic fallout from our profligate spending, so no one's going to do anything about it.

[Senator Rand Paul]

Well, the lay of the land is this. There are no Democrats that will vote to cut one penny of $1 of federal spending. On the Republican side, there's a lot of lip service. But when I presented my penny plan budget, which would balance over five years, I did this two weeks ago, 36 Republicans supported it. Now, that's the high watermark. That's the most I've gotten before. But it also means that I think about 16 rep. Republicans do not support it. These 16 Republicans often are the leaders of the spending committees, the appropriations committees. And so there isn't a desire among them really to cut spending. And so until we have a Republican majority and a majority of those Republicans are willing to cut, we don't get anywhere. It also doesn't help when people say, well, we're not going to look at Social Security or Medicare and Medicaid. We'll do it sometime in two or three years from now. We'll make the date in the future. All of these things, when you take them off limits and you don't do anything to footstep food stamps. If you take all of these entitlements off the table, you really, there isn't enough waste and fraud to cut to actually balance the budget.

[Clay Travis]

Well, what do we have to do? I mean, is this turning into the entitlement discussion again, which nobody wants to touch?

[Senator Rand Paul]

It's about elections. You meet, you need more hardcore people. I think the people out there, you know, that I meet as I travel the country, they are ready to cut spending. They are ready for more significant cuts and they're ready for somebody who would introduce a balanced budget. So I think if my penny plan budget were surveyed among the public, among the Republican public, I think you'd get 90% of the vote. You know, but up here I'm getting about 60% of the Republicans for it. So really the Republicans up here aren't all getting the message. They need to get the message that the debt is a real problem and it's time to start cutting spending. But a lot of them haven't got that message yet.

[Clay Travis]

How long do you think this shutdown is going to last? And is it a big deal to you whether it goes for another day or another two weeks? Does it really make much difference? How do you see that?

[Senator Rand Paul]

The rumor is that the Democrats have a left wing socialist rally in D.C. this weekend and they're afraid of their left wing, they're afraid of the socialists. And so they have to show they're putting up a fight for the Obama, the free stuff, the Obamacare, free subsidies. So the rumor is they will fight through the weekend and then give in next week. They'll give in because there'll be some sort of public promise that will negotiate on the subsidies. And frankly, there probably are 15 Republicans that will vote to increase or keep the Obamacare subsidies. They don't care that it has to be borrowed. They don't care that it's more big government. So what will happen is all the Democrats will BE for that 15 or 20 Republicans will vote with them. And big government always wins. But I think the public's getting increasingly frustrated with it. So there's going to be a time at which the public is going to say let's, you know, let's throw some of the bums out.

[Clay Travis]

Why do we need subsidies if Obamacare makes health care cheaper. That seems to be a conundrum.

[Senator Rand Paul]

Yeah. One of the things we could do, and I've proposed this for years now, I propose that we let people, consumers, people who buy health insurance, let them bargain collectively. What I mean by that is if you belong to Costco, there are 44 million members of Costco. If Costco were to buy your insurance for you, my guess is Costco can get a better price than you can individually.

[Clay Travis]

If my wife could buy her insurance from Costco, by the way, it would have happened yesterday. She loves Costco, so keep going.

[Senator Rand Paul]

And the, the, the rule that's keeping us from doing this is a federal rule that says you can buy insurance with a group. We all have to be in the same employment. You have to be ditch diggers or carpenters or welders. You can buy your insurance together, but you can't be in multiple different employment, which is a really dumb rule. And last Trump administration, I got him to do an executive order. It was challenged in court, but I have a bill that would do this. It would change what's called the ERISA law, and it would let anybody who wants to join any group buy insurance. And then what you'd have is you'd have the head of the Costco's health insurance buying would sit down with the head of the big insurance companies, and you'd really get a much better price. And so that's the one thing you could do that is a market phenomenon. It's a way of injecting the market that actually would bring down health care costs.

[Clay Travis]

Senator Rand Paul, always appreciate you, sir. Thanks for making the stop today with us.

[Senator Rand Paul]

Thanks for having me.

[Clay Travis]

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