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Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are back together on the same show and it is one that is filled with tons of news, most of it very positive. Buck is here in Nashville as he has continued his world tour and we've got a speaking engagement with one of our crew this afternoon evening. So that will be very fun. But right off the top, President Trump yesterday announced that we have what we hope is a lasting peace arrangement right now. Trump is holding a cabinet meeting now, so we will monitor and see what additional news is outstanding. There. But let's start. Let's start with all of this basic breakdown. Monday is expected to be the day for the return of the living hostages that have been held now for over two years since the October 7, 2023, terror attacks. Based on what I have seen, it appears that there are around 20 different hostages that are still alive, and they've been held in the most extreme, awful conditions imaginable for the past two years. That return seems likely to happen. There has also been a ceasefire agreed to in Gaza. And let me play a couple of cuts here. Cut one. Is President Trump on the phone with the hostage family members? You can listen to them as they cheer as President Trump lets them know that their family members are coming home. Cut one.
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Ben Ferguson
President Trump, you have the best crowd in the world. What do you guys have to say to President Trump? Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Clay Travis
You did it.
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Senator Tommy Tuberville
You did it.
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Ted Cruz
This is amazing.
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Ben Ferguson
Mr. President, we believe in you. We know you've done so much for.
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Clay Travis
Us over the past, since you became.
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Ben Ferguson
A president and even before that. And we trust you fulfilled the mission until every hostage, every 48 of the hostages are home. Thank you so much. Blessed be the peacemakers. God bless you, Mr. President. God bless America. Thank you very much.
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Donald Trump
You just take care of yourselves. The hostages will come back. They're coming, all coming back on Monday.
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Clay Travis
Buck, here's my big takeaway here. They have spent a decade telling all of us that our Trump supporters, that we are Nazis, that Trump is Adolf Hitler incarnate. And I know that because we're dealing with oftentimes profoundly evil people who are going to continue to enact terror against the people of Israel, that is the Muslim fundamentalists, the Islamic terrorists, they are going to continue to attack. But to the extent that we can have some form of normalcy return to the Middle east, and for Trump to get these hostages home, we hope and pray that it will happen on Monday. The ones that are still alive, I think 20 expected to still be alive, 28 bodies that are still being held is my understanding of those 48, that number there. This would be one of the most profoundly transformative, monumental Middle east peace agreements that has ever been entered into by any president. Israel, as I know, I was over there in December, and as you know, you've been there before. But Trump is the most popular American president probably in the history of Israel being a country. And this is a moment that I think many of us believed was likely to occur. And it's one that should provoke a great deal of cognitive Dissonance in the minds of all the people who have been telling us that Trump is Hitler, that he's going to bring about World War 3. This is an incredible accomplishment, and Trump and his entire team should be praised to the high heavens. Regardless of what partisan lens you view this from, this is not just a home run. This is an upper deck grand slam if it comes to fruition, that would lead to one of the greatest outcomes for peace in the history of any of our lives.
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Ben Ferguson
Well, even Trump haters are having to put the hate on pause for a second here. I'm sure you've seen some of this, Clay. They're saying, well, even if somebody's wrong 99 times, if they're right on the hundredth, you know, even if he's doing it just because. Just because he wants the Nobel Peace Prize, they're sneering at him over this. But they have to admit that a win is a win. As they say online, a win is a win. You got to take the win, take the W here. And I think it's important to view this. The deal is in phases. Our sense of this should follow. Meaning it is enormously. It is enormous progress, it is enormously encouraging that the war is coming to a stop. The cease fire. This is actually happening, right, that there won't be bloodshed. And, you know, unless at this point, if Hamas were to blow this deal up at this stage, Israel's just going to hunt them all down and kill them all. So I don't think that they're going to do that. This is going to save lives. The fact that hostages are going home, the fact that Israel is trading for 48 total, including some the remains of hostages. Can I also note here, all the hostages should be alive.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Ben Ferguson
This is something that doesn't get enough. These hostages were in the custody of Hamas. They could have kept them all alive. Something I'm going to keep returning to here. Clay. These are not. Israel and Hamas are not morally equivalent, nowhere near it as entities. This is a situation. People can say it is simplistic, but in terms of the combatants involved here, it is good guys and bad guys. Israel are the good guys. That is just reality. But the war coming to an end is obviously an enormously encouraging humanitarian step. It's a good thing. And Trump was the guy able to get this done because he's somebody who manages to break the usual paradigm, which is you have to be. You're either pro Israeli or you're pro Muslim, pro Arab, and, you know, anti Israeli is kind of the way that this often breaks down with Trump, it's no, hold on guys. I just have a goal here. I want this thing to be done. I'm willing to push and make concessions and deal make for both sides. It's enormously, you know, enormously encouraging and I'm very, very pleased the President has gotten this.
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Clay Travis
Let me hit you a couple of cuts. This is President Trump on our friend Sean Hannity show last night. Here he is, cut eight. You heard him say the hostages would be coming home on Monday, but here he is speaking in more detail. We should also say before we play some of these things, there are people who want war to continue. There are many of them. And so it wouldn't stun me or shock me if there are after effects sort of post, post action agreement that is designed to try to derail this between now and then. In fact, I think we should expect.
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Ben Ferguson
Them before we play some of those cuts. Can I just throw as a, an addendum to what you just said? There are American Democrats, there are leftists in our country who truly would rather see this conflict, which they call a genocide, mind you, it is not a genocide, but they call it a genocide. If they had their choice, they would rather the quote unquote genocide continue than Trump get the credit for ending this. Which tells you a lot about the people involved. A lot of people who are saying ceasefire within hours of the initial October 7th terrorist attack, which was a bad faith, Israel's not allowed to defend itself, maneuver clay, all of a sudden ceasefires are suspect to them. Isn't that so strange?
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Clay Travis
Yeah. And you would think if you truly believe that a genocide were occurring, that you would take to the streets to celebrate. Have there been celebrations from the pro Palestinian activists? Again, they don't want peace, they want a perpetual war. So my concern is a terrorist actor will try probably multiple of them to stage attacks to derail this peace process. But here is Trump talking about, as you laid out, Buck, this is a multi step process. There are many different actions that have to be undertaken. But Hamas turning over the hostages is basically the end of Hamas being able to bargain in any way. The reason they took these 250 hostages in the first place was so they could continue to bargain in some way with, with Israel. This was very intentional on their part. Once the hostages and the bodies, unfortunately, as you said, Buck, of those hostages whose lives were lost while they were in captivity, once all of that is turned back over, Hamas has no bargaining power left again. This is why they took these hostages. But this is Trump last night on Sean Hannity's show cut 8.
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Ben Ferguson
I think you're going to see all of that disappear. I think you're going to see people getting along and you'll see Gaza being rebuilt. We're forming a council that, the Council.
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Senator Tommy Tuberville
Of Peace, we think it's going to be called and it's going to be.
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Ben Ferguson
Very powerful and it's going to really, I think to a large extent it's going to have a lot to do with the whole Gaza situation. People are going to be taken care of. It's going to be a different world. I think really the Middle east came together. Amazingly they came together. You know, they have some countries with extraordinary wealth and just spending a small portion of that wealth can do so much for that area. So we'll, we'll be involved in it. But the big, the big thing is.
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Donald Trump
Hostages are going to be released.
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Ben Ferguson
It's probably our time would be probably Monday.
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Clay Travis
And the expectation, Buck, is that unless something has changed, the last I saw is that Trump is going to travel to the Middle east and address the Israeli legislature, the Knesset in person for the first time since George Bush Sr. Sorry, George Bush Jr. George W. Bush, since he spoke in 2008. So, so all of this is potentially transformative. Again, there are many different steps that it must be followed. But Trump said he was going to bring peace here. If he can do it, he would deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. I also think this then will put more of a attention on the Ukraine, Russia conflict to see if Trump can basically bring to a large extent peace to the world within the first year of, of his presidency. This is pretty impressive. Even you mentioned it, Buck. Even people who hate Trump. The Washington Post, David Ignatius said. Ignatius, Ignatius, no way this would have happened if it were not for the, for Trump's particular action. When you're getting praise from the Washington Post, that's a sign that, that you've upset the apple cart of expectations.
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Ben Ferguson
Cut to the deal that President Trump is announcing played a key part in negotiating is a significant change. This war was blocked for two years. President Biden, who preceded him, was unable to find a way to stop it. President Trump found that, found that way by being tough on both sides and he'll take a victory lap for sure over the next few days.
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Senator Tommy Tuberville
But it's deserved.
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Ben Ferguson
There's no way that I can see that this would have been done without Trump's pressure in the final hours. Yeah, this is what I mean by David Ignatius is not somebody who is pro Trump at all. He's a he's worked explicitly against the Trump administration and Trump himself in the past as really an activist journalist. But I would say this is just a recognition of the clear reality. People will sometimes draw the line at saying things that everybody will recognize. Sounds dumb. And anybody who can't admit that this is a huge win, not just for Trump, but a huge win for really everybody of good faith in the Middle east, here at home, around the world. A war coming to a terminus and people no longer dying is a good thing. And Trump's role in this is undeniable and he deserves a bow and maybe the Nobel Peace Prize. Although we should talk about. I have a theory about the Nobel Peace Prize component of this. I'm sure you do, too. We'll get to that.
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Clay Travis
I'm curious, how many people actually, let's just say Jewish in particular, do any of them that have been so virulently anti Trump, primarily in the United States, not in Israel itself. How do they react to this? If you've been telling everybody for a decade this guy is Hitler 2.0, at some point, do you recognize that you're the bad guy and that you've been wrong about everything, or is it too difficult to acknowledge that you've been wrong such that these. I don't even know how you address this. Do they have the tools to acknowledge.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah, it's weird to say you would think that Trump is Hitler, like, except for the fact that the Jewish state would tell you almost universally Trump is the greatest ally they've had in the Oval Office in our lifetime. That's a weird, that's a weird circle to square. You know, that's a tough one to make sense of. And this is why people, the cognitive dissonance that is necessary to be a Democrat and as you point out, a. To be a liberal American Democrat Jew who thinks that Trump is Hitler is a bizarre place to be. But. But that exists.
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Clay Travis
There's plenty how. Yeah, you're right. And I just wonder because I try to be hyper rational, what are they thinking this morning as they wake up and what are they going to be thinking when Trump, hopefully on Monday is able to return these hostages after two years in captivity? Well, that they're going to actually ends.
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Ben Ferguson
They're going to say that the war was basically coming to an end anyway and that Trump is taking. You know, they'll always, you can always find a way, man. You can always come up with some rationalization for your hate or your disdain. Let's remember it's. It's not Trump Analysis Syndrome, it's Trump Derangement syndrome. So I think that's where they are.
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Clay Travis
But bringing peace to the Middle east is a tough one to to square with the Hitler with the Hitler talk even for them. I think this is a boy. Maybe he's not pure evil and maybe I'm the bad guy historically now I mean you would have to be rational in some way. But I'm curious what they're thinking. Sabre company making world class non lethal self protection tools. They also happen to make the number one pepper spray projectiles trusted by law enforcement. We've got them in our home. In fact Sabre manufacture it. We have it here to help make our home safer. You should check it out. A good chance that it will make a lot of sense for you to@saberradio.com you can get their pepper spray projectiles for your own self protection. The pepper gel projectile launcher shaped like a pistol or rifle but it is non lethal but it will guarantee your safety. Trust us. Saber's been at this for 50 years. Family owned. Check out all the products. Make a decision on the right ones for you and your family. Go online to saber radio.com you'll save 15% there. That's s a b r e radio.com you can also call a 844-824 safe. That's 844-824 s a f e making America great again isn't just one man, it's many. The team 47 podcast Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Leon Neyfakh
When I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked why Benghazi?
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Ben Ferguson
The truth became a web of lies.
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Leon Neyfakh
It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
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Clay Travis
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
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Leon Neyfakh
Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
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Ben Ferguson
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together.
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Leon Neyfakh
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
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Clay Travis
Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
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Leon Neyfakh
I'm Leon Naifak from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco Benghazi.
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Ben Ferguson
Yes, that's right.
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Ted Cruz
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Leon Neyfakh
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Ben Ferguson
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Ted Cruz
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Clay Travis
Fiat.
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Ted Cruz
Three times a week we do our podcast Verdict with Ted Cruz.
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Ben Ferguson
Nationwide, we have millions of listeners.
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Ted Cruz
Every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
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Ben Ferguson
And we cover the stories that you're not getting anywhere else.
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Ted Cruz
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Clay Travis
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We've got our show and the info is an antidote. But we also have a couple books coming out, Clay.
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Clay Travis
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Ben Ferguson
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Clay Travis
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Ben Ferguson
And mine is Manufacturing Delusion how the Left Uses Brainwashing, Indoctrination, and Propaganda against you.
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Clay Travis
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Ted Cruz
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Ben Ferguson
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Ben Ferguson
And it is, in fact, Clay and Buck today for the first time in almost two weeks. So we got that going for us, which is nice. And let's play. Had a great day on the road.
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Clay Travis
For how many days in a row now did you go home from Taiwan?
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Ben Ferguson
I had two days at home, but I really want to be home again. I've, I've even had some interesting opportunities to travel later this month, Clay, and I'm just, I just want to be home. I'm a homebody in general and I want to be with Carrie and Speed and Ginger Spice and that's the plan. But yeah, Taiwan, 12 hour time difference really takes a while to get, get back on, on schedule with that. You, you just went from Central time to. Well, actually still Central Time right At the Panhandle. Or is. Is.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, Panhandle is Central time. Now I did drive into the Eastern time zone for the Miami Florida State game, which is Tallahassee is just barely in the Eastern time zone. But I, it was pretty easy recovery.
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Ben Ferguson
Yep. So there you. Yeah, you can, you can handle it after east coast time. You're like, oh, okay.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Ben Ferguson
Not, not, not too, not too taxing. That's good news. By the way, people kept asking me about Mr. Mr. Finebaum.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Ben Ferguson
And I, I saw people and they said they were asking me questions about this. You'll have to explain this to everyone later on in the show because I did not.
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Clay Travis
We got Tommy Tumberball on at the bottom of the hour. Probably ask him about it. But yeah, Paul Seinbaum Uh, it's potentially going to be running for the Senate from Alabama. So, yeah, it's been a big story.
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Ben Ferguson
And people kept asking me, I'm like, yeah, I. I celebrate Fine Bomb's whole career.
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Clay Travis
His whole catalog.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah. Full catalog of. Of football things. So we have some updates here from the Cabinet meeting that just happened. So let's. Let's dive into some of that, because that's the latest from Trump. I think this is really interesting, Clay. Cause I wanted to do a little research on this on my own. Last night, Trump spoke about not only is he taking a. Taking a bow and. Yeah, I think if you help negotiate the end of carnage that is taking human lives and maiming people and, you know, war is a terrible thing. It truly is a terrible thing. Sometimes a necessary thing, but it is still a terrible thing. I think taking a bow is fine, and I think that Trump deserves that and then some. But it's not just on. On Israel and the end of this conflict with Gaza. This is cut 33.
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Clay Travis
He lays out the whole.
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Ben Ferguson
Or he gives you the whole number. Listen to this.
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Donald Trump
You remember, we settled seven. This is number eight. We settled seven. Wars or major conflicts, but wars. And this is number eight. And the one that I thought would be. Maybe the quickest of all would be Russia, Ukraine, and I think that's going to happen, too. But in the meantime, they're losing about 7,000 people a week, and that seems pretty bad. They're losing mostly soldiers, young soldiers. They go out to war and they. They're getting killed. And while it doesn't affect us in a lot of ways, where we've got a big ocean in between, you don't want to see that happen. It was a big mistake. That war should have never happened. It would have never happened if I were President.
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Ben Ferguson
Trump doesn't want wars, which is a very good premise to start with. So, Clay, can I. Can I give you the list here and you can.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Ben Ferguson
The list of conflicts that Trump was involved in bringing to either a ceasefire or some kind of an agreement to end the fighting. We have Armenia and Azerbaijan, two former Soviet republics. Trump signed a peace agreement between them on the 8th of August. That war had been going on for decades, and the leaders of both countries were very much thankful to Trump for helping to negotiate this one. Democratic Republic of the Congo and Rwanda. That was June. Back in June of this year, a ceasefire announced on June 23 between Iran and Israel after the bombing of the nuclear sites. India and Pakistan on a border dispute. Cambodia and Thailand, they had a ceasefire July 28, they fought for five days, but people were dying. And then from the first administration, I think Clay, he adds, oh, Serbia and Kosovo, he helped get an agreement with them. And I think he did something. Oh, yeah, and Ethiopia and Egypt, Trump dealt with a dispute between them over a hydropower dam. So it was more of a conflict than it was a war. But that, that is the list. That is quite a world tour that he has put together.
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Clay Travis
Yes. And again, it goes to the point that I had, which is the criticism of Trump. That would actually. It's not a good criticism, in my opinion, but the one that you could make is he's too focused on bringing peace to the world. And how does that actually impact America in any kind of significant way? I'm not saying I sign off on it, but that's the criticism of Trump. He's too focused on world peace. And many of these conflicts don't directly involve the United States. So why is the President spending his time on them? That is the criticism you could levy. It's the exact opposite criticism. They spent a decade on Trump, which is he's a modern day Hitler war. World War Three is going to ensue. Let me ask you this, Buck. The clip you played, I think is interesting because I think Trump thought that he would be able to solve Ukraine and Russia faster than he has. I think he would say that if he came on with us. And I think he thought that because he felt as if he had a relationship with Putin that he could use to bring peace there. And again, unlike in Israel, in the Middle east, where you have, let's be fair, an intractable, in many ways, conflict between Jewish and Muslim religious faiths, not to mention the Christian component rolled in as well. Russia and Ukraine is basically a civil war. Again, I understand the lines of the battle and everything else, but the Russian and Ukrainian people historically have much in common, and there doesn't seem to be any real gain to speak of that's being fought over now. I think he's frustrated over the fact that he can't get peace there. And what does it say about that conflict that a true religious war is getting peace before a border dispute between two historical, historically connected people?
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Ben Ferguson
Well, the reason that there's not a ceasefire in Russia, Ukraine, I think, is pretty straightforward, unfortunately. And it's that Putin thinks that he's winning and will keep taking territory with the status quo. I mean, that he's going to get more and more. So why stop? In his mind, and because the casualties, the humanitarian cost, he is absolutely willing to pay that price on both sides. Something that is particularly jarring about Putin is he certainly has no. Is not losing any sleep at night about Ukrainian casualties. He's not losing any sleep about Russian casualties either. Yeah. This is unfortunately the mindset that he operates with. So that means that that conflict is likely to continue on unless there's a real change in that Trump has at least started to push in that direction publicly with if Putin starts to feel like they are losing some territory inside of Ukraine, maybe then there'd be more of a willingness. But that's a tough ask for a lot of reasons.
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Clay Travis
How much do you think is this is cultural in that the way Russia defines itself in the modern era from a positive perspective is by the sacrifice that the country was willing to make during World War II. And so if you go back in time, historically Russia, obviously the collapse of communism and the Cold War that they lost is not something that is a point of pride in that country. But how much of the willingness of Russians to accept, frankly, huge, huge casualty numbers is a function of that patriotic connection to the past where basically the entire country giving up the flower of youth is seen as one of the true bravest moments and most sterling moments in all of Russian history.
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Ben Ferguson
Well, this is how Russians fight wars, just with throwing manpower at it. They've, they've generally had, they had really weak, speaking of generally, generals in World War II because of the Soviet purge. So they had a lot of, a lot of problems with that. Now, some of the, you know, people talk about, like General Zhukov, some of the generals in Russian past have, have been talented, but they generally throw a lot of bodies at the problem and that's what they're doing in Ukraine as well. So, yeah, I don't know how Trump, that's the big one that is on the list next and could bring us back to Trump the peacemaker if he can. I would say this. And people might already feel that way and that's fine. They might be saying if he doesn't get the Nobel Peace Prize for this deal, it's effectively a meaningless award anyway because it's just some partisan tool of the global elites. I think that's probably already true. But if he were to end the Russia Ukraine war too, and it was clear that he had a central role in that, and after this and didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize, then it's a total joke. Yeah, maybe it's already there, but it definitely would be a total joke at that point.
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Clay Travis
Somebody just texted me or emailed me that once Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize for nothing, it had become a participation trophy in many ways, as opposed.
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Senator Tommy Tuberville
To an, a reward for an award.
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Clay Travis
For what you actually accomplished. I do wonder if peace in the Middle east, if he suddenly is able to pivot in many ways directly to Ukraine, Russia. I still don't understand how this gets resolved in meaning Ukraine, Russia, because to your point, Putin basically knows that long term he has the ability to lean on Ukraine. And we still don't know exactly where that line is, where if he gets this amount of territory, he's satisfied. And it just feels kind of intractable at this point to me, because if Trump can't get it solved negotiation wise, to your point, it seems quite clear that Vladimir Putin just will not end this war. So how do you in any way end it when Putin just refuses?
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Ben Ferguson
Well, see, this is what I meant by he doesn't lose sleep at night over the casualties. There's no moral or humanitarian imperative that is at work with Vladimir Putin at all. This is, it's pure force. You know, I think the Israelis, I think the IDF for, for a while have just wanted, look, we're willing to stop. We don't want to have to keep doing this, but we have to know that they're going to stop on the other side. You know, you have that with Israel.
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Clay Travis
And we have to get the hostages, which is what the Hamas has refused to release them for two years completely.
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Ben Ferguson
And I, I know that we're very pleased, as of course we should be. I mean, people I know, I know people who are tearing up at the, at the news about the hostages going, that some of the hostages are going home. But I just can't, I can't forget that a lot of hostages are not going home alive.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Ben Ferguson
And that is an active decision that was made. They had civilians in custody and they let them die or they killed them, one or the other, I mean, which is the same thing. They're in your custody. So they killed civilians that they were holding as hostages. So the moral calculations here should be very clear to everybody about who the good guys are, who the bad guys are. But I do think that Trump now turning his, there's going to be some focus on this, of course, but turning his attention to Russia, Ukraine issue. It has to be what are the incentives for Putin to stop? Yes, you have to change incentives with him. He is a, it is like dealing with a rattlesnake. You cannot say, hey, don't bite me. That's mean. It has to be you back off or I'm going to take your head.
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Clay Travis
Which I think Trump gets, because Trump's new focus has been let's keep Russia from being able to sell their oil through India. We're going to put a penalty on India. And he's given Ukraine the ability in theory to actually threaten Russia in a way with armaments and weaponry that has not occurred so far. The risk there obviously is you accelerate the war as opposed to decelerating it. So but I think you're right. I mean, Putin has to fear something and ultimately I think that's what Trump has come to realize, that otherwise there is no way to actually end this war. We'll take some of your calls, some of your talkbacks, much less serious. Buck, get your pen. You can play along here with prize picks in the state of Tennessee where you are right now. You can play in Georgia, you can play in California. You can play in Texas. 40 plus states. Great American success story. You can download the app, use my name Clay that C L A Y and here is the pick for the week. We narrowly lost last week. Three of our four picks won't. This is easy. These are all passing touchdowns. Jalen Hurts and Jackson Dart both play tonight. Eagles, Giants. Each of them is going to have more than 1/2 passing touchdown. Cam Ward, Titans quarterback playing in Las Vegas this weekend. He's going to have more than one passing touchdown. And Drake May quarterback against for the Patriots against the Saints is going to have more than one and a half touchdowns. If I am correct on this, it pays out at four and a half to one. Prizepix.com you can play along with us. Use code clay. You get 50 bucks when you play. $5 Hertz Jackson Dart and Cam Ward Ward more than one touchdown. Drake may more than one and a half touchdowns if we hit pays out at four and a half to one. We've already hit three out of the five weeks. Can we make it four out of six? That's the pick point. Prizepix.com Code Clay stories of freedom, stories of America. Inspirational stories that unite us all each day. Spend time with Clay and Buck. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton show One bit of breaking news here as we go into the third hour of the program. A new poll has just been released by Quinnipiac in the New York City mayor's race now down to three since Eric Adams has dropped out. According to this poll, Zoran Mamdani 46% support Andrew Cuomo 33% support. Curtis Sliwa, 15% support. So that is, that is how all of this is breaking out. And I would say, Buck, the story in New York City continues to be that so long as there are three candidates that are running, then mom Donnie is going to win and Mamdani is probably going to win comfortably. We will get into the Virginia race. We're going to have Jason Mearez who is dealing with the J. Jones Democrat nominee and the awful text messages that have come out from the Democrat nominee. But you've got the Virginia race, you got the New Jersey race. And we are sitting about almost exactly three weeks away from the official election day of 2025 with all of those being very important races. But we talked about as we were going to break the way that X has changed the conversation in the country right now. And I wanted to play for you, Harry Enton on CNN talking about what the makeup is of Twitter now in the wake of Elon Musk buying it. When did he buy a buck 22 if I'm not mistaken? I think it's been about three years that Elon has run Twitter. Here is what the data reflects.
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Ben Ferguson
You go back to 2021, the party ID margin, you're 37 points more likely to be a Democrat on Twitter or than a Republican. Jump ahead to this side of the screen. It's completely changed around. Oh my goodness gracious. Now it's a 14 point lead for Republicans on Twitter. Slash X. We're Talking about a 51 point shift in the margin. You know, there are a lot of folks that I know who are on the left side of the aisle who ran over to blue, ran over the threads. But here's the deal. The bottom line is those are minuscule compared to Twitter or X. Use this social media. In 2025, 21% of Americans are on Twitter or X threads.
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Clay Travis
It's just 8% loose guy.
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Ben Ferguson
Even smaller, just 4%. You add together the four plus the eight that gets you to 12%. That is only about half the level that are on Twitter.
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Ted Cruz
X.
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Clay Travis
So the impact is real, Buck. And I think it has been utterly transformative in terms of how the nation debates and discusses the biggest issues in the country.
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Ben Ferguson
Well, it shows you that Democrats are unable to win arguments unless they've got us just out platformed and outnumbered. Right. This is like if you're going to get into a, if you're going to get into a scuffle with somebody, there's one on one and there's 10 on one. And even if you're a really good, you know, really good fighter, quite honestly, two on one is really hard. But if it's ten on one, you're not gonna. You're not gonna win that battle. And that's what Democrats have had with social media and with a lot of the legacy media systems that they've had and long established control of. So we've seen a break in that. And people will rightly point out, well, hold on. They still, you know, TikTok is still left wing dominated. You know, Facebook is, you know, Facebook is like, okay, right now. Because I think Zuckerberg realizes that you don't want to get Trump upset at you, but the fact of the matter is they can't suppress stories. The days of the Hunter Biden laptop media fiasco are, at least for right now, gone. They would not be able to do what they did do, which was, let's remind everybody, there was even more stuff about this that just came out. Documents showing that they didn't. That Biden, the whole thing with Biden going to Ukraine, the obvious corruption, the obvious handout for his family and the payoffs for Hunter Biden and everything, it was all true. All the stuff that the right was saying about this, that we've been talking about Clay on this show for years, was all accurate. But when they tried to hide the Hunter Biden laptop story in 2020, they were able to largely do it because of the control they had of the online media ecosystem, which is now the new public square. Elon Musk has broken the back of that, and that is a huge benefit. I think it made an enormous difference in Trump's election, and I think it makes an enormous difference in the left doesn't even want to fight us anymore publicly. Like, they won't actually try the stuff that they used to because they can't count on having us outnumbered and ambushed online.
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Clay Travis
I used to feel attacked all the time on social media. I remember the last time somebody really came after me. And I think partly it's algorithmic, so you see less of that. I think that's probably by design, but the marketplace of ideas is real. My, my concern is on Twitter, x my concern about YouTube and TikTok and Facebook. Facebook's a good example because it's existed for a long time. Mark Zuckerberg moves in whatever direction the political currents move. I don't think that he has a consistent core. If Barack Obama's in office, he's going to do things that make Obama happy. If Biden is, he's going to do things that make Biden happy. And now Trump's in office and he's going to do things that make Trump happy. My concern is there is no core principle that you can point to at Facebook other than we're going to make the party in power as happy as we possibly can. I do think Elon has demonstrated that he's willing to take the slings and arrows of attack even when it has a significant financial component associated with it in a way that the other leaders of these media companies have not. Now, I'm somewhat cautiously optimistic that the new Paramount leadership, the Ellison's, because Larry Ellison, the, the, the second richest man in the world has been pretty stubborn and been willing to have people attack him before. And he is a Tim Scott backer who has been active in Republican politics before. So I'm cautiously optimistic that he's going to provide some legacy media backbone there. We know Rupert Murdoch has taken slings and arrows for generations with the New York Post, the Wall Street Journal and Fox. But do you agree with me, the Zuckerbergs of the world? I mean if, if Kevin Newsom wins in 20, God forbid in 2028, I think he'll go right back to whatever makes Gavin Newsom happy. I don't think there's a principle there.
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Ben Ferguson
I'm 100% in my mind at least certain that that is the case. That a lot of what we've seen with these social media companies, I think that Elon, who can be a mercurial guy on some things, but I think that on the issue of free speech and, and free exchange of ideas, he is deeply devoted to that and I think that that's the best you can ask for. People say, well now it's just at the whim of Elon Musk on X. Well, it's the whim of a guy who truly believes in the principle. I think that that's the best you can ask for because it's not a public utility and they're not going to be able to regulate it like one. And now it's not a social justice left wing woke loony bin. So it's better. It's a lot better than it was. And we got to take the wins where we can on this to the.
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Clay Travis
Point that it is. And this is where Rush read from you saying billionaires need to get involved back in the day. And it's like, I'm far from a billionaire, but it's why I founded Outkick. The best thing you can do is put your money where your mouth is if you, if you are listening to us right now and you've been frustrated over the way that media and the way that politics has and culture has been influenced in this country, the best thing you can do is put your money on the table and try to impact that. And I believe Elon is going to remain committed to free speech. The challenge here is there's only a couple of guys and right now they're all guys that are truly committed to free speech. And we. This is why I come back to as good as Trump is and as great as Trump 2.0 has been so far, what is ailing our country is going to take 20 years to fix. You mentioning, by the way, President can't make it happen.
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Ben Ferguson
The team actually has that cut of Rush. This was back in June of 2020 talking about this exact problem. Cut 31. Many of you might remember the former guest host on this program, Buck Sexton of the CIA. Buck now tweets a lot. Does he have his own show now or. Yeah, he does. Way way. Buck has been on a tweet storm and had to put it in one of those. One of those thread apps because there's so many tweets. And he's ticked off at. At how conservative everything has just given up, has just seated the country, seated Hollywood, seated music, seated television, seated the media, seated everything, doesn't understand it. If one of the conservative billionaires out there has any stomach for saving their country from this mob, they should buy and flip a major media platform or.
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Clay Travis
Fund a new one and make it.
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Ben Ferguson
An unsinkable aircraft carrier of true free speech. That is what Elon did. Yeah, he did it about two years later, Clay. But that was the only answer. And that's why Russia, I think, seized on this right away. That was the only way we were going to break. It was essentially a speech blockade that they were running.
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Clay Travis
And also, this is where sometimes build your own just doesn't work because the scale of success required to truly influence society. They tried with Blue sky, they've tried with threads. Nobody cares. And that's not because they're not trying to do it with those platforms. It's because they aren't going to reach the same level of influence because it's very hard to get an influential app built and you can't just build a new one.
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Ben Ferguson
I try to tell people also, you've got to be careful, even if you are an occasional viewer and user of Blue sky, because as a guy, your testosterone level will immediately drop down to that of like a 12 year old girl and you'll start to sound like Brian Stelter. You'll be walking around the house, be like, I was just on Blue sky and I'm so upset about Trump's fascism. So just be careful. Blue sky only in limited doses if you want to see how crazy the left is. But you know, Clay, it's like, it's like trying to clean up the nuclear reactor. The longer you're in there, the more exposed to the fallout you are.
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Clay Travis
And I would point out too that you went on there to your credit, after the Charlie Kirk assassination. Those platforms are far more toxic than Parler, for instance, which they decided was the cause of, of the January 6 event and they shut it down and suddenly you couldn't even get on the Internet. And to a large extent there is no pressure to regulate them in any way. And you know where now, honestly, the most fervent left wingers go together is Reddit. That is their platform of choice. That is influential. I don't think Blue sky or threads are remotely influential. I don't ever see anybody building stories around the arguments made there. Reddit is where you go, if you are a far left winger, to hang out online. So again, nobody can guarantee any commitment to principle of free speech over time. But I do believe that Elon is going to continue to allow Twitter to flourish as a free speech platform. And what I think is coming back, and I've talked about this a little bit, but I bet you kind of see it too, is ultimately all of AI is going to be a function of the input of AI and so there will be supremely woke AI, which will be very popular with the MSNBC viewers. I think Elon's X AI is going to be popular with what I would call sane people. And this idea that AI is going to be some sort of utopia, the algorithm is going to tell you what AI gives you. And the Elon algorithm, I am confident will be more likable and acceptable in terms of its answers to many of the people listening right now than will many of the other AI.
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Ben Ferguson
Yes, this will continue to play out. In the meantime, I do get a kick out of having my burger brought to my house sometimes by a little robot. That's pretty fun.
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Clay Travis
That happens.
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Ben Ferguson
Oh yes, we have little robots in Miami beach that deliver our food now.
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Clay Travis
I didn't even know that.
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Clay Travis
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So download Verdict with Ted Cruz now, wherever you get your podcasts. All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. You know, Clay, I was in D.C. and it was during the government shutdown, and it was lovely. The streets are empty, the, the highways are clear. I could get everywhere. It was the DC That I wish I could always have lived in, where you just get all the upside, but not the overcrowding. So it was, it was really nice. Trump spoke about the shutdown in this Cabinet meeting just now, right, right when we came on air. Here's what he said about it. This is cut 35, hit it.
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Donald Trump
And we'll be making cuts that will be permanent. And we're only going to cut Democrat programs.
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Donald Trump
I guess that makes sense, but we're only cutting Democrat programs. But we're going to start that. And we have Russell who can talk to you about it if he wants to deal. But where we'll be cutting some very popular Democrat programs that aren't popular with Republicans, frankly, because that's the way it works. They wanted to do this, so we'll give a little taste of their own medicine.
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Ben Ferguson
Trump is enjoying the shutdown so far, Clay. He is not backing down an inch. Neither are the, well, most of the Republican senators. We had Senator Ron Johnson on tomorrow. Do you guys, do we have Senator Chuberville right now? All right, Senator Tuberville, we got a lot to talk to you about. Thanks for joining us here. I'll actually start just with the shutdown. Is the, is the Republican caucus? Is everyone standing strong on this one? Anybody getting the weak, getting weak in the knees? You got to let us know. We can't have that stuff. No caving allowed.
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Senator Tommy Tuberville
Well, I've, I've seen a couple of, couple of soft movements here. Lately from Republicans, but I think there's more on the side of Democrats. I think the polling is going against them, but we just got a whole strong guys. If we don't hold strong, in which we normally don't on the Republican side, somebody starts to cave, then. Then we're going to be in for $1.5 trillion more that the American taxpayers are going to lose because of the corrupt Democrats and Socialist party trying to spin everything they send up here.
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Clay Travis
Do you get the sense? Because I don't. I've been on the road. I was just down in Florida. I've been traveling all fall, but since the shutdown started, no one asked me about it. And I understand that it's a real focus in Washington, D.C. but I don't get the sense that Democrats are actually creating some form of huge uproar over the government being shut down. And now we've got President Trump trying to travel to the Middle east and potentially bringing peace there. I feel like that story is far more important and attention gathering right now than, than anything relating to the shutdown. I'm curious what you hear when you are on the road and people talk to you about things impacting their lives.
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Senator Tommy Tuberville
Well, I hear more about tariffs than I do anything. That's because of the farmers. You know, they're struggling and we've got to protect our farmers. We got to protect our military and law enforcement during this shutdown. But, you know, the Democrats, they have nothing to hang their hat on. And so now they've got something they can, hey, you know, we can fight back here. This is something some people might agree with us because nothing else is. Very few Americans agree with the Democratic Party on anything that they've done or try to do or anything that they believe in. So we just got to hold on. We just got to keep pushing, get President Trump and Scott Bessett and the people over in the administration an opportunity to clean out the fat of this bloated government of 3 million government employees. My gosh. I mean, we got people that we don't even know get a paycheck. And so, at the end of the day, we've got to clean this mess up.
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Ben Ferguson
Senator Tuberville. It's absolutely a day of some celebration from the Trump side of things, given the ceasefire. I wanted to just get your reaction to what this president seems to have accomplished and the satisfaction that I'm sure he and many of us get from seeing even people who never give Trump anything, never give him the benefit of the doubt, never give him a fair shot. They're even having to say this is a pretty big deal that he has negotiated between Israel and Hamas.
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Senator Tommy Tuberville
Yeah, this is huge. And we got to get, get the hostages out. We got to get out of this mess. My Kabi, the ambassador, Marco Rubio, Winkov, all these people, they have been working their tails off trying to get something done there and also in Ukraine and Russia. So hopefully this works out. It's a 20 point plan. First of all, if we can get the hostages out, I mean, President Trump has done his job because that is our main goal, is get these people loose, get them out of these tunnels, these caves, give them some food, get them back to society. This group that we're fighting, this Islamic terrorism that we're fighting within, Hamas, they are absolutely trying to destroy that part of the country. And by the way, they're coming to a theater near us and we better watch out.
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Clay Travis
We're talking to Senator Tommy Tuberville. He's the next governor of Alabama. I know you're in the midst of your governor's campaign while also being a senator. I'm sure you saw I did a sit down with Paul Fine Bomb, a guy you've known from college football, I imagine, for a long time in the state of Alabama. He hasn't officially announced, but what's your reaction to what kind of candidate Paul Feinbaum might be be if he ran in the primary to potentially be a senator from Alabama? What do you know about him? What do you think about the idea?
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Senator Tommy Tuberville
Yeah, I've been friends with Paul 30 years, and even when I was an assistant coach, he's made a name for himself. He's got 100% name ID in Alabama. I told him he's also made everybody mad in Alabama at one time because. But that was his job, you know, making people, you know, conversation about sports. Now, he's never been in politics, but neither had I. He asked me what I thought. I said, well, you know, if you're going to get into this and I'm not supporting anybody, that's not my job. I talked to everybody that's running for my position and I said, you know, you got to get out there and sell yourself, not as a media person, but as somebody's going to represent the people of Alabama in this country. So I heard your interview. I've talked to him. I think he's really, really looking into it. And I think that he's about had it with a lot of things that have gone on in his previous life professionally. And, you know, he's an American but he's got to get out and sell the point in the fact of am I Trump? He's got to be a Trump guy in Alabama. He's got to be conservative and he's got to show and tell people and convince people that that's what he's going to do.
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Clay Travis
You worked in sports as a head coach for a long time and by the way, you beat Alabama six years in a row as an Auburn coach and got elected in the state of Alabama. So that in and of itself. And you're going to be the governor now in a state where Alabama is the majority fan base. Auburn's got a great fan base too. Paul's fed up. I think you can kind of read it in that conversation with Disney and ESPN deciding that they're going to go full left wing. You've been doing sports a long time. Would you have ever believed that Disney and ESPN were going to turn ESPN into another arm of msnbc? Would you have ever believed that could be possible in the world of sports?
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Senator Tommy Tuberville
No, never could have, never would have believed it or wanted to believe it. And I just can't believe that, that an entity that big that touches so many people, that has really lived off the American people and, and true patriotism would go that direction. You know, I worked with Mike Patrick one year, is his color guy and now while he was the play by play guy in his last year for ESPN and abc. And I've never seen such far left groups in, in my life. I mean it was just, it was just, they were, they, that's when Trump first got elected and they, it was just a fight from the start to the finish. When you're around a lot of those people that couldn't believe that I was a Trump supporter. So at the end of the day, you've got different factions in our country. The problem that I'm having is today is how much does the Democratic Party really love this country?
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Ben Ferguson
Yes.
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Senator Tommy Tuberville
Do they love our Constitution? You know, we all have different opinions, but my God, folks, we look what they did. I'm in the Elite 8. I was, I had my phones tapped by the FBI under the Department of Justice. A sitting United States Senator. You've got to be kidding me. So it is, you know, I just don't understand it. I really don't of the mindset of the people that, that are, are trying and I think it's their, their, their way of life is they want to change everything that we're doing and go to another type of country that we're not going to allow that to happen.
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Clay Travis
You've known Paul Feinbaum, you said, for 30 years. I understand that you are not going to endorse. This is your seat that's going to be up for grabs. But based on your conversations, do you think he's going to run or do you think he's not going to run?
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Senator Tommy Tuberville
I think it's more that he is than he's not. Now, again, this, this is a week or so ago the last time I talked to him. And, and I said, paul, you got to do your due diligence. You got to go out and you got to start making phone calls. You got to talk to people. Don't take my word for it. I'm one vote and I got an opinion. But you have to go and talk to people that, and try to get 2, 2 million people to vote for you. And there's a lot of convention you're going to have to do. But I've told the same thing to Steve Marshall, the Attorney General, the same thing to Barry Moore, who's in Congress is running for this seat. You have got to tell them what you stand for. And people got to believe that. You got to be convincing. I did that for a year and a half when I was football coach and I said, I'm going to run for Senate. I went to every little town, every meeting, every farm meeting and told them, listen, I'm running and this is what I believe in. Forget about coaching. Just this is what I believe in. And thank goodness I don't think they elected me as coach. They elected me for my beliefs and my love for the country.
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Ben Ferguson
Senator Tuberville, always appreciate you making the time for us here on Clan Book. Thank you, sir.
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Senator Tommy Tuberville
All right, guys, thank you. God bless the Tunnel.
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