Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Sep 12 2025

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show – Daily Review

Episode Date: September 12, 2025
Hosts: Clay Travis, Buck Sexton
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

This emotionally charged episode centers on the aftermath of the assassination of Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk. Clay and Buck provide detailed updates on the suspect's capture, delve into the disturbing response from segments of the public and prominent left-wing circles, and reflect on broader themes of radicalization, political violence, social media’s toxic role, and the meaning of legacy. Throughout, they emphasize the need to honor Charlie's memory by defending free speech and combating the growing normalization of dehumanizing rhetoric in American political culture.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Capture of Charlie Kirk's Assassin

• Buck Sexton (03:06): Announces that the suspected killer, Tyler Robinson, has turned himself in and been apprehended.
• Clay Travis (06:10): Outlines the sequence of events leading to Robinson’s arrest:
  • A family member contacted law enforcement after Robinson’s confession.
  • Surveillance confirmed his presence at the crime scene.
  • His father, a 27-year law enforcement veteran, was instrumental in his apprehension and refused the reward.
• Quote:

  "Good morning ladies and gentlemen. We got him...the assassin is in custody as we speak to you now, thankfully." – Clay Travis (06:10, 07:14)

2. Profile and Radicalization of the Assassin

• Clay Travis (07:29): Details about Robinson:
  • 22 years old, normal background.
  • Academic achiever.
  • Radicalized rapidly into extremist ideology.
  • Father refused the reward, distraught over his son’s actions.
• Shell casings were engraved with Antifa/anti-Nazi messages—confirming political motivation.
• Quote:

  "Something radicalized him...to expressing that he hated Charlie Kirk and being willing to kill Charlie Kirk...he was a far left ideologue committed to antifa and anti-Nazi ideology, according to the engravings on the bullets themselves." – Clay Travis (07:29)

• Buck Sexton draws parallels to radicalization in terror studies:

  "Poverty...has really no bearing on radicalization...This guy's a terrorist." – Buck Sexton (10:12)

3. Widespread Celebration or Justification of Assassination

• Buck Sexton (11:32): Shock at sheer volume of celebratory or approving reactions online:
  • "I've never seen anything like this before."
  • Dismay at seeing such sentiments among regular Americans, not just fringe extremists.
• Clay Travis reflects:

  “I think if Rachel Maddow...was shot on campus, the vast majority on the right would say this is awful, unacceptable...this is not some fringe element of the Democrat Party that is celebrating Charlie Kirk's death. This is a solid 25 or 30% at least, of their base celebrating the death of someone who was killed because of his political beliefs.” (14:00)

4. Dehumanizing Rhetoric and Its Consequences

• Buck Sexton (14:39):
  • Discusses theme of his forthcoming book, Manufacturing Delusion, about mass radicalization.
  • Mainstream media and political leaders set the narrative that Trump and right-wing figures are fascists/Nazis and thus existential threats.
  • Rhetoric justifies, in the minds of some, extreme measures—even violence.
• Quote:

  "When you call someone a fascist and you mean it, you are saying that person is a threat to everyone else, a threat to all that is good, and violence against them is justified." – Buck Sexton (32:00)

5. Role of Social Media & Historical Parallels

• Clay Travis:
  • Argues social media amplifies and normalizes violent or celebration-of-violence tendencies.
  • Draws parallels to past events/events around U.S. Healthcare CEO’s murder and Boston Marathon bomber (16:08).
• Buck Sexton:
  • Points out that even pre-social media, the seeds of this celebratorily violent attitude existed (16:25).

6. Discussion on Radicalization Process

• Both hosts discuss brainwashing, menticide, indoctrination (32:00):
  • Not about poverty or background; it's about ideological capture and increasingly cult-like behaviors and beliefs.
  • Buck references his national security background, relating new left-wing radicalization to studies on jihadism.

7. The Decline of Traditional Anchors & Manhood

• Clay Travis (25:01):
  • Mourns the absence of meaning, traditional “manhood”, and religion for young men, highlighting contrast between Charlie Kirk (found meaning, family, faith, purpose) and his assassin (found belonging in hate and violence).

  • “For much of history, whatever you thought of politics, there was a consistent expectation for men...the absence and continued decline of religion...there is a desperate yearning for meaning...” (26:01)

8. The “Nazi”/“Fascist” Rhetoric—Direct Incitement vs. Criticism

• Clay Travis & Buck Sexton (35:59):
  • Critique Democrats and media who use "Trump = Hitler" analogies, arguing it incites violence and cannot be meaningfully distinguished from calls for harm.

  • “When you call someone who is full grown Hitler, you are telling people, go kill him." – Clay Travis (36:27)

9. Listeners’ Calls: Personal Impacts and Stories

• Several callers share their distress and personal experiences:
  • Family members celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death online (47:50; 60:26).
  • A black conservative caller voices disillusionment at seeing widespread celebration among black Americans online (60:26).
  • Others note family members who suddenly switched to radical political positions (47:38+).

10. Meaning and Legacy—Contrasting Charlie Kirk and His Killer

• Clay Travis and Buck Sexton emphasize Charlie’s positive example:
  • “Charlie found his life purpose. He got married, he had kids. This 22 year old...found his life's purpose to be killing Charlie Kirk. How does that happen?” (30:11-30:34)
  • Importance of proactive defense of free speech and discussion rather than giving in to dehumanization, mob thinking, or violent rhetoric.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Radicalization:

“This guy's a terrorist...violence to a political end...He was hearing all of the rhetoric about how Trump is a Nazi, how fascism has descended upon America...This time is one where there are random people...who have celebrated this. I've never seen anything like this before.”
– Buck Sexton (10:12–11:32)

On Double Standards:

“If Rachel Maddow...was shot on campus, the vast majority on the right would say this is awful, unacceptable...but this is a solid 25 or 30% at least, of their base celebrating the death of someone who was killed because of his political beliefs.”
– Clay Travis (14:00)

On Dehumanization:

“When you call someone a fascist...you are saying that person is a threat to everyone else...and violence against them is justified.”
– Buck Sexton (32:00)

On Social Media:

“On social media, they have come into full fruition...this kid...thinks he is a hero. And a lot of other people are going to see the way he is treated and it's going to embolden others to go out and try to kill people they disagree with politically.”
– Clay Travis (16:25)

On Parenting and Purpose:

“So many young men, in seeing Charlie's path, see a path for themselves as well. And then you have this 22 year old who...appears to have been normal...and he gets radicalized to such an extent...How does that happen?”
– Clay Travis (30:11)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Assassin apprehended; sequence of events – 03:06–07:14
• Profile of suspect, radicalization process – 07:29–10:12
• Public and online reactions, celebration by some on the left – 11:32–14:00
• Dehumanizing rhetoric, radicalization mechanics – 14:39–16:25, 32:00–36:27
• Callers share personal distress, family stories – 47:38, 60:26, 65:36
• Discussion of political analogies and incitement – 35:59–37:53
• Reflection on meaning, purpose, legacy – 25:01–30:34, 69:37–71:25

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Tone and Style

Throughout, the show maintains its trademark mixture of outrage, sadness, and resolve, balanced with occasional moments of dark humor and camaraderie. Clay and Buck’s style is direct, emotionally unguarded, and deeply partisan, with a continual call for listeners to remain vigilant, defend their values, and recognize the dangers of both extremist ideology and the celebration of political violence.

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Summary Takeaways

• The episode is dominated by developments in the Charlie Kirk assassination—details of the suspect’s apprehension and background, the political motivations, and the disturbing volume of celebratory response on social media and among segments of the left.
• Clay and Buck criticize the mainstreaming of extreme, dehumanizing rhetoric (e.g., calling opponents “Nazis” or “fascists”), warning this makes violence seem justifiable to the unstable or radicalized.
• The hosts reflect on social, religious, and psychological root causes of radicalization in young men, lament the loss of traditional anchors, and call for better defenses against ideological “brainwashing.”
• Listeners’ calls provide a somber window into the personal toll and sense of alienation felt by conservatives in the wake of such an event.
• The legacy of Charlie Kirk is set in stark opposition to the motivations of his killer, reinforcing the show’s message: honor the dead by standing firm for free speech, civility, and American values.

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Final Reflection

“Sometimes the people who hate you actually show...how important you were.” – Clay Travis (71:20)

Despite the darkness of the week’s events, the episode urges listeners not to retreat, but to stand up for their values, and—like Charlie Kirk—find purpose, community, and meaning in the ongoing fight for the country’s future.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome, everybody, to the Friday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. I want to jump right to it, the news that many of you may have seen. We want to bring you up to speed with all of the latest on it. Charlie Kirk's assassin has been caught, turned himself in, in fact, and we will give you more of those details. But the alleged assassin has been taken into custody. We'll walk you through the timeline this morning of how that went, some updates on law enforcement's role in this, the family of the shooter's role in this, and the latest on who this shooter was, the profile, the ideology behind it. And then also, I think we're going to spend a portion of the show today. Well, first off, of course, continue to commemorate our friend Charlie Kirk and the incredible work that he did. And I think, Clay, there was never a doubt as soon as we got the horrible news and were able to process what had happened, there was never a doubt that Charlie's legacy, the movement, the organization and what he stood for would not only continue on, but I think there is a turning point toward standing for these principles and standing for this free speech in an elevated, I mean, just going forward, everybody on the right, everybody who believes in the Constitution, everybody believes in the First Amendment, feels like we must stand with this legacy of Charlie Kirk, his work, what he did, what he stood for. We also do need to address the widespread. Widespread is the only, I think, way you could describe it. It is not fringe. It is not on the edges, on the margins, the widespread, horrific response to this assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk from elements of the left. People are getting fired left and right, which they deserve. But it's just astonishing because that shows you how utterly deranged in their politics so many everyday Americans as well as pundits and people with followings. And so we'll get into all of this. But first, Clay, let's just go through the news events this morning as they happen. First off, President Trump was sitting on the couch at Fox and Friends and he gave a pretty good indication of what was to come. Play Clip 1 Any updates on the suspect? Yeah, can I always say, I think just to protect us all and so Fox doesn't get sued and we all don't get sued and everything else. But I think with a high degree of certainty we have him in custody. Right in custody. Everyone did a great job. We worked with the local police, the governor. Everybody did a great job. Clay. That was then confirmed later by Governor Spencer Cox of Utah. This is cut 8 saying that they do in fact have. Charlie Kirk's murder of the assassin was in custody. Play it.

[Clay Travis]

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. We got him. On the evening of September 11, a family member of Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident. This information was relayed to the Utah County Sheriff's Office and scene investigators at Utah Valley University. This information was also conveyed to the FBI. Investigators reviewed additional video footage from UVU surveillance and identified Robinson arriving on UVU campus in a gray Dodge Challenger at approximately 8:29am on September 10th in which he is observed on video in a plain maroon T shirt, light colored shorts, a black hat with a white logo and light colored shoes. When encountered in person by investigators in Washington county on September 12th in the early morning hours, Robinson was observed in consistent clothing with those surveillance images.

[Buck Sexton]

But Clay, the investigation continues about what was said by him online. Did he have any coconspirators? There's a lot still to unpack. But the assassin is in custody as we speak to you now, thankfully.

[Clay Travis]

No doubt. And we're getting more and more information about the assassin and we try to avoid giving a lot. I try to say avoid giving names. I understand sometimes we play media coverage where they do it. Here are some of the identifying details that I think are starting to be to be revealed. 22 years old was to a large degree turned in by his dad who was a 27 year law enforcement veteran. The dad I'm seeing reports of, we talked about this, that there was a hundred thousand dollar reward. The dad is saying I'm not taking the reward. But the question that is out there. This is a kid grew up in a Utah home and had a completely normal upbringing. Evidently made good grades in school, did well on standardized tests and something and I know this is part of what your book is about. Buck. Something radicalized him. Something turned him from a kid that was not particularly political according to his his parents and those around him to expressing that he hated Charlie Kirk and being willing to kill Charlie Kirk. Plan it all out. All the details. He changed clothes again. If you missed the press conference it feels very open and shut case. His motivation I'm not talking about what his motivation was because there'll probably be articles where they say in the New York Times, we may never know why he did this. There were antifa and anti Nazi engravings on the shell casings that he was using to kill Charlie Kirk. So he hated Charlie Kirk. He was a far left ideologue committed to antifa and anti Nazi ideology, according to the engravings on the bullets themselves. So we know what his motivation was. To me, Buck, the story now is how. How did a kid in a normal middle class upbringing, nuclear family, how did he get radicalized to the point where he was willing by the age of 22 to take a rifle and go murder someone that he had decided he hated because of Charlie Kirk? This because of his political beliefs. How did that happen in a relatively short period of time? Because evidently this kid did well in high school, made good grades, wasn't political to suddenly sitting down at the family table screaming slogans about hating Charlie Kirk and then his own dad has to turn him in. I mean, it's, it's, it's difficult.

[Buck Sexton]

I can tell you from the extensive studies that have been done and that were very much a part of my daily life in the gwat. The global war on terror, anti jihadist days that poverty, things like that, they have really no bearing on radicalization and in fact, a lot of the worst ideological terrorists. This guy's a terrorist. I mean, this is, we'll use the term assassin is accurate. Of course, the term terrorist is also accurate. This was violence to a political end. But this is someone who clearly, when he was hearing all of the rhetoric about how Trump is a Nazi, how fascism has descended upon America, we could sit here and we will, we will go through some of where these messages and where, how this narrative has been formed because it is important. Because I think Clay, this time more than, you know, more than what we've seen in a lot of other cases, this time is one where there are random people, random people who are in a position to say that they have seen someone in their own life who has celebrated this. I've never seen anything like this before.

[Clay Travis]

It's happened to me.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, it's happened to me. I'm seeing it all over the place. And that is like waking up among the enemy a little bit. That is. Wait a second, hold on a minute here. You know, with Trump, he's the President of the United States. And the fact that. And he, and he was fine, right? He was in a different. He was in a different situation entirely because he Walked away with his fist in the air, and he was okay. And people were saying, oh, I hope they got him. Now, that's heinous. That's heinous. Right? We saw the people that were making those kind of comments online. I mean, Charlie was. We all saw it on video. And it's got a wife and kids and all these friends, all these people who care about him, love this person. And the worst thing possible happened. The worst thing possible in that situation happened, which is that Charlie's no longer with us. And there are people who are gleeful, and I don't mean a few all over the place. Thousands, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, maybe millions. I can't give a. A number other than to say, wading through blue sky, Clay, was like going through an insane asylum of people who are aware of their actions, though. And I recognize that. Right. You know, they're. They are in the grips of a delusion, but they are responsible for what they are saying. They're not seeing pink elephants in the sky. They believe this fascism and Trump narrative, and it costs our friend Charlie his life. And there just needs to be a.

[Clay Travis]

Reckoning and also just an examination. I truly believe this, and I. I hope I've never challenged or proven wrong in this, because I hope it never happens. I think if Rachel Maddow. I'm trying to think of who the equivalent is of Charlie Kirk on the right. Let's use. I'll use Rachel Maddow as an example. Somebody that's.

[Buck Sexton]

She's. I mean, that's. They. They, they. Clay. I'm not even. They got. This is part of this. But the reason I wanted to jump in on this is just because this is part of why they're so angry, because they're so used to having control of these. They have nobody that's even in the. In the stratosphere of the influence. I think that's true, but I'm just.

[Clay Travis]

Saying Rachel Maddow speaks.

[Buck Sexton]

Rachel Maddow is like an old lady now. I mean, she's our age. That's a totally different thing.

[Clay Travis]

But if she got shot on campus, I think you and I and the vast majority of people out there would say, this is awful. This is unacceptable. I don't think there would be an outpouring of people on the right saying, she got what she deserved or I'm happy that this has occurred. This is not. And I want to say this, too, this is not some fringe element of the Democrat Party that is celebrating Charlie Kirk's death. This is a solid 25 or 30% at least, of their base celebrating the death of someone who was killed because of his political beliefs.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, let's, let's unpack what their, what the story is that they tell themselves. How do they get to this delusion? And, and yeah, McClay mentioned this and I appreciate he brought it up. This is actually the title. This is the, it's in the title. Manufacturing Delusions. This is what my book was about. This is what it's about. Radicalization of the masses of normal people who believe crazy things. How does this. There's processes, there's tactics, there's all these things. In this case, the storyline that was latched onto by President Biden when he was president, right. By the New York Times editorial page, by the biggest voices. If Trump wins, we won't have another election. If Trump wins, our democracy is over. The republic no longer exists. They're going to put you in camps. They're Nazis. Well, Clay, if you and I were alive in, you know, occupied Holland or something, circa 1944, 1943, we would take extreme measures, right? I mean, if we were truly under a Nazi occupation. Now, you can say that they tell people this as just a rhetorical flourish, but that's exactly the point. It's irresponsible because what they are doing is dehumanizing their political opponents in a way that results in tragedy. And it's happened again and again and again. This is not a one off. It's just the most awful recent one that we have seen.

[Clay Travis]

I think what you started to see was in the reaction to the United Healthcare CEO's public assassination. They made his assassin a hero. And you pointed out that they tried to do it with the Boston terrorists.

[Buck Sexton]

Cover Rolling Stone looking as handsome as they could make him look.

[Clay Travis]

That was pre social media. So I think the sort of green shoots of this already existed. I think on social media, they have come into full fruition. And the problem with this is this kid, I say kid, he's 22, he thinks he's a hero. And a lot of other people are going to see the way that he is treated and it's going to embolden others to go out and try to kill people they disagree with politically. I'm just telling you that that is, it is open season because there hasn't been some massive, some massive response and outpouring on the left saying this is unacceptable. In fact, the exact opposite. There's a huge outpouring of celebration. People are risking their jobs to celebrate somebody being assassinated, losing their Jobs.

[Buck Sexton]

A lot of people are seeing this. A lot of people are getting fired and not from just msnbc like that guy Dowd, who I can tell you is a world class, I can't say it on the air without getting in trouble, but a real bad dude. So no, no tears there. He's been a jerk for a long time. But I mean, you know, like vet techs down the street from you and guys who work in the, in the, you know, the local restaurant or in.

[Clay Travis]

The, you, your family, you probably have family, may have family that's posting somebody in your family, extended family might get on Facebook and suddenly you see celebrations going on for a murder and an assassination and you just think, what world am I living in? I think that's one that a lot of us have experienced this week.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, we're going to take a lot of calls today. It is a Friday, so make sure you light us up with those. And please, also on the talkbacks, we'll get to those. We want to have this conversation be as robust and widespread with all of you as we can. Good news is that the assassin is in custody and we'll continue to talk about how we move forward and how we honor Charlie's legacy. Look, how do you prepare for natural disasters? One easy way is by getting a pair of rapid radios. These are modern day walkie talkies built to communicate on a nationwide LTE network. So distance is not a problem. We've shared our own story here on the show about how when my in laws got hit bad by that hurricane up in western North Carolina, we thought it was gonna hit Florida really badly. It actually hit western North Carolina really badly. Trees were coming down, one came down through their kitchen. Power lines down everywhere. I was able to talk to them from my living room in Florida the next day on my rapid radio checking in with them. How are you doing? How's it going? No monthly fees, pre program simplicity. Rapid radios keep you connected and should be part of your preparation plan. Plus they're super convenient. So just for the day to day, keeping in touch with elderly relatives, your kids, people on the job site, whatever it is. Rapid radios, once you start using them, you'll see they are trusted, tested, legit. Go to rapidradios.com today. That's rapidradios.com. you'll save 60% when you visit that website. Use promo code radio and get an extra 5% off. Making America great again isn't just one man, it's many.

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[Clay Travis]

It has been a heck of a draining, emotional week for so many of us across the nation. So many of you want to weigh in. And so for the next couple of hours, legitimately full open forums, talk backs, calls, we are going to get as many of you in as we can as we roll into the weekend. Point worth discussing and I was just joking about this off air because I do think we need a little bit of levity in what has been a very dark week. President Trump woke up this morning after going to the Yankee game last night and just rode his motorcade over to the fox Studios on 6th Avenue and sat down on the Fox and Friends couch and did an hour of live, unscripted television on all subjects under the sun, including announcing that we had the the assassin of Charlie Kirk in custody. And we just came from a president that basically could never do any media availabilities on any subject. And Trump just rolled in, sat down on the couch, a couch that I've sat on and guest hosted Fox and Friends on the weekend and did an hour straight of unscripted television. Buck and it wasn't very long ago, about 10 days ago, that everybody decided because he took a weekend off from doing media, that he was actually dead. And so I do think a big part of this larger discussion needs to be how many people out there consume audience, consume media that is consistently wrong about everything. And yet they keep going back to it over and over and over again in desperate demand for at some point their fever dreams of delusion to be certified. And I do think that factors in here. And one thing, Buck, as we get ready to take as we get ready to take some calls here and take some of your talkbacks, I want all of you to think about this. Buck has got a book out. Honestly, these are both very timely books where he tries to get into tell.

[Buck Sexton]

Us the name Manufacturing Delusion, how the left uses brainwashing, indoctrination and propaganda against you. I just wanted to be manufacturing delusion, but subtitles apparently are helpful.

[Clay Travis]

And my book, and that's a very august title, my book is called Balls. And it's about how Trump, young men and and sports fans Saved America. Okay. But I do think that these are two different sides of the same coin, much like this assassin is. If you compare his life to Charlie Kirk's. And let me. Let me just kind of run through a little bit here, I feel immense sadness for so many young men in America because they're. For much of history, whatever you thought of politics, there was a consistent expectation for men. You got married, you busted your ass in a job, you had a job to try to take care of your family and provide a better life for them going forward.

[Buck Sexton]

You might have to go to war.

[Clay Travis]

If you look generationally, you may have to go fight to get killed. We had an experience and expectation of manhood that was universally accepted across the political spectrum. Whatever. Whatever you think. In 1945, a Democrat and a Republican represented, by and large, there was an understanding of what manhood was and what it represented. I think so many young men, in the wake of the MeToo and in the toxic universe of this woke culture that has tried to say manhood itself is toxic. The absence and continued decline of religion, which helped to frankly, allow the foundational elements of the family, the nuclear family, manhood. I think there is a desperate yearning for meaning, and I think Charlie Kirk found it. Whatever you think about him, I think he found a foundational core tenet of life that led him in a productive way to get married, to have two kids, to try to communicate to these lost young men a pathway to what he thought would be a better life for them.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, one thing that. Sorry, yes, one thing I was going to say, Clay, that is so important when you look at the competing narratives here about Charlie, there's our narrative which is rooted in reality of a man who did it the right way, was an inspiration, was. Was kind, reliable, a father, all the things that we have said. So I want to, you know, you know how we feel about Charlie. But you. What you'll hear from a lot of people on the left who, of course, don't know Charlie. And this is always another thing. You know, I know this a little bit of a digression. I know a lot of people in media on the right, and I know a lot of people on media left, and the people on the right are almost always better people. I'm just telling you the truth, okay? I mean, as people, I'm not talking about their talent. I'm not talking about their paycheck or, you know, their ratings or whatever, but, you know, as humans, you. You know, I was going to tell you, you listen to this radio show, you Listen to some of our peers and radio and some of the people that I won't name them, you know, they are, if they were your neighbor, you'd be blessed. If you had to leave your kids with them, you'd, you'd know that, you know, because you had an emergency, you'd know that they'd be fine. You know, you'd, they'd probably get a home cooked meal by the time you got home. Like they're good people, okay? They're at their core good people. There are a lot of leftists who are truly lost and nasty human beings, I'll just put it that way. A lot of leftists. And this is true of the politicians as well. And you see this and you're aware of this perception. There is a difference in the view of life. But Clay, we know who Charlie was. They keep saying Charlie. The other side says that he was put, including unfortunately, this horrific assassin, that Charlie was spewing hate speech. But what you see actually when you look at what Charlie said and beyond that, look at how his followers act, they act with love and within the law and with consideration and with kindness. And yet the people that think on the other side that they're doing some great favor to society by being violent, not just in this incident, but in many incidents like it, Antifa and all these others, they think that they are stopping hate speech. And they never stop to think that they're the hateful ones, that they are the ones who are saying, your words upset me so I will attack you, I will punch you, I will even kill you. Who's the one spreading hate? What, what is the hate that Charlie spreads? And by the way, I would, I would just add a lot of this comes back to the trans stuff. That's really where if you push somebody who says that, that the right is spewing hate speech, Clay, it's overwhelmingly just a version of saying you are erasing trans people. You are, you know, these things go, go together all the time. But I think that when you, if you're talking about hate, which is the side that is hateful, I think it couldn't be more clear.

[Clay Travis]

100% agree with all of that. Charlie found his life purpose. He got married, he had kids. This 22 year old was looking for his life's purpose and he found his life's purpose to be killing Charlie. Kirk, how does that happen? Your book is partly addressing it. I think it speaks to again, the 27 year law enforcement veteran dad had to turn his son that I would bet this dad Poured his heart and soul into trying to raise as an uplifting, successful part of the community. I don't know very many parents who do anything else. Now you might fail and we might find out that there's something in the background of this kid that was not ideal that helped to put him on this awful path. But you have two young men. One finds his path and is trying to extend a hand to everyone else to say, hey, this path works for me. I think it could work for you too. And so many young men, in seeing Charlie's path, see a path for themselves as well. And then you have this 22 year old who by all intents and purposes appears buck to have been normal for much of his life. And he gets radicalized to such an extent somewhere that he's writing anti pro fascist and or anti fascist, anti fascist and anti anti Nazi comments on bullets that he uses to incredibly detailed plan the assassination of Charlie Kirk. How does that happen? How do they go? Again, pathways.

[Buck Sexton]

And I. So in the book Clay, I get into these. I get into brainwashing, I get into a process called menticide, I get into Pavlovian conditioning, I get into isolation and how that is used as a tool in this, I get into fear as a tool, a tool of ideological coercion. Right. I mean, these are all different things. I mean, and again, the book's not even out till January. But it's just, this is what my. I've been looking at this because a lot of it was driven by Covid. But I get into the trans thing as well and how people who aren't trans themselves will threaten to kill people or will kill people even because they have the wrong idea about trans in, you know, quote unquote wrong idea that how does someone get to that point? You know, how is someone so deluded? And this is a huge problem in our society because these ideas can grow and can take root to the point where they can actually cause a societal upheaval. I mean, you saw this in the Russian Revolution, in the Soviets, and you saw this in North Korea. And I get into some of this where actually the crazy ideas are the mandatory ideas. And the Democrat Party has had some instances where they have shown us this. Covid was one of the most. It was probably the most powerful instance of it. But also the same thing with men don't have an advantage over women in sports and other ideas like this. Right. You get into all of this, but it is a process of radicalization. And there is something that we have to look at here and understand much more, much more deeply and in a much more cohesive way, how do we get people off this path? It's a little bit like getting them out of a cult. It's a little bit like removing them from an ideological ecosystem that is self reinforcing and actually deteriorating throughout that process. Because as you say this, what about this young man in his past, in his background would make you think that this would. But I've, I've gone through this, Clay, with people that were preparing to strap a suicide vest on and go into the New York City subway system or were planning to buy AK47s and grenades to go shoot up a, you know, a Jewish temple in one of the suburbs of New York. I mean, you know, this, these, these people are not leading up to this point. They aren't necessarily from abusive homes. They're not impoverished. You know, there hasn't been some, but the ideas, and the idea loop grows. And there are those who are able to manipulate in this way. There are those who are able to manufacture these killers through this process. And we need to take this, I mean, we're already taking it seriously, but we need to understand that there's a tremendous urgency in this country to figure out how we handle this, because it's going to keep happening and it does not have to happen. There are places where this does not happen. Our country is a place where this sort of thing is happening right now. And that means that there are underlying and foundational issues to be addressed. And I think that a big part of it is just holding the Democrat party and the Democrat aligned media accountable for what they say. When you call someone a fascist and you say, and you mean it, you are saying that person is a threat to everyone else, a threat to all that is good and violence against them is justified. China is a communist country. If I call someone a communist, am I saying we have to go, we have to go murder a billion Chinese people? No, of course not. It's referring to it as an ideology. But when you call someone a fascist, there's no fascist country out there right now. Clay, when you say fascist or Nazi, you are resurrecting something from the past to justify violence today.

[Clay Travis]

Jasmine Crockett's building on this, just called Trump Hitler today again on Charlemagne, the God show. And I think when you specifically analogize Trump to Adolf Hitler, building on what you are saying, Buck, you are directly saying, go kill him. Because we have. I mean, this was kind of a silly debate that used to go on, but before the Trump kill Baby Hitler.

[Buck Sexton]

And the morality of it.

[Clay Travis]

Kill baby Hitler was kind of a ridiculous sit around the coffee table or while you're having a beer debate, and when you call someone who is full grown Hitler, you are telling people, go kill him. Which is why you can't say that and then try to immediately condemn. I would have more respect for Democrats if after they tried to kill Trump, if somebody had come out and said, I wish we had better aim. Well, I mean, just because at least it would be consistent in the. You can't condemn violence after inciting it.

[Buck Sexton]

We already know there are lines. If you just called every if as a. If as a group. Right. You just called everyone who disagree with you politically, you just started asserting that they were child molesters, we would know that's defamation, that's wrong, that's unethical. You're trying to say that this person is the worst kind of human being imaginable, the most vile, the most, the most, you know, lacking in decency imaginable. We would understand, right? Everybody would know. If you just go around saying, you're running against me for this office, you're a child molester. Everybody would know that. That is crossing a clear. You know, that you're saying this to defame someone. Crossing a clear line, which of course, they've said all kinds of things about Trump. You don't have to. They've said he's a rapist. They've said everything. But yeah, with this. To call someone a Nazi isn't crossing a line to say that you are truly a fascist who's going to end the republic and therefore our country is going to collapse. That is crossing the line.

[Clay Travis]

There will not be elections again, which is what they have argued for years now, a decade, that Trump is a dictator who will remember because it was very.

[Buck Sexton]

We gotta get a break and we wanna take your calls here. So we'll get to it. But when I did that Bill Maher appearance, and it was when the Democrats, I was there to tell them what was coming and I did, and it did happen that way. But I remember I looked at Bill Maher, I think it might have been in the post show video they do, I said, I mean, you know that it's going to be okay if Trump wins, right? He's going to win and everything's going to be fine. And he looked me right, and he goes, I absolutely do not know that. I think the country might end well. That's insane. You have a problem, you should go seek counseling, speak to your priest. Well, not for Bill Maher, speak to your therapist. Speak to whomever. All right, look. Yesterday we stopped to recognize the loss of life our nation experienced 24 years ago on 9 11. And we've made a pledge, along with everyone at the Tunnel to Towers foundation, to never forget. One way to do that is to continue to support the foundation as they pay off the mortgages of surviving family members who have lost loved ones. Loved ones. One of our first responders or those who are defending our freedom. That's just what the foundation did for the Clark family. U.S. air Force Sergeant Jesse Clark's military service came to an end after chemical exposure caused a large tumor to form in his brain. As a result, he's paralyzed on the left side of his body, legally blind, prone to memory loss, and in a wheelchair. But friends like you helped Tunnel the Towers build this hero a new smart home to help him live a more independent life. Since Tunnel the Towers founding after the horrific events of 9 11, we must never forget what they have done for us and what they have sacrificed. America's heroes have given us so much. Please join us in donating $11 a month to tunnel the towers at t2t.org that's t the number two t dot org stories of freedom, stories of America.

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We're going to get to a bunch of your calls, but I wanted to play this for you because we just referenced it. Congresswoman Jasmine Clark, one of the dumbest yet somehow most influential Democrats on the planet. She went on Charlemagne th God show and she said, I'm not necessarily calling Trump Hitler. Just listen.

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[Buck Sexton]

I think her job is to say the dumbest things imaginable so that anything else that a Democrat says by comparison seems more reasonable. Like that's her actual job, is to try to open the Overton window so wide that it's not possible to say something as stupid as Congresswoman Crockett. Therefore, whatever you say, it's not as dumb as what she says. And it helps Democrats.

[Clay Travis]

That may be what they use her as is like the battering ram of stupidity that opens the door for everything else. But to not understand the basic logic of the argument you just made there of hey, we've got to watch basically the language that we're using. I'm not necessarily telling people to kill Hitler. I mean they are, I think the easiest way to explain this.

[Buck Sexton]

Why choose Hitler if you're, if you don't want violence against the person, you know what I'm saying? There's a lot of people you could point out in history who were you could just point out to bad previous president. Anyway, go ahead.

[Clay Travis]

But yeah, no, we're going to go to calls. But I mean, I do think what you've got here is clear incitement. And then when you incite the action for which you are clearly inciting, when it occurs, you say, oh well, we condemn this. You can't light the fire and then say, boy, I wish this house wasn't burning down. I condemn fire. That's what's going on.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm hearing El Rushbow right now talking about the drive bys. This is what they do. They just spray destruction in bedlam and just move on past and pretend like nothing happened. Pretend like they had no part in it. And they are neck deep in all this stuff we're talking about. All right, calls, you want to do that because we got so many people that want to weigh in. So you pick the top of the list.

[Clay Travis]

Mr. Clay Jim in Denver, I believe you say, Jim, you were scheduled to go to the next one of the next stops on Charlie Kirk's tour. What you got for us, correct, up.

[Caller]

At Colorado State University. So with this shooter's father being a police officer and thinking that he was brought up the right way by a police officer, I would hope his father would encourage him to cooperate in every way possible with the police to have a better understanding of the antifa types that that ruined his mind and caused him to do this evil act.

[Clay Travis]

Amen. Buck I think one of the outcomes of this needs to be if we haven't already done it and maybe it's underway, but I haven't seen a lot of attention on it, into the root, stem and branch of antifa in a way that directly goes to their organizational structure.

[Buck Sexton]

I just, I want to get to these other calls. I just want to point out, because this is bringing back to. I saw and dealt with antifa in the earliest days, right. Going back over a decade now as a movement in this country. And they there were these open debates that would have or discussions, I should say, not debates about because right wingers are Nazis and because punching Nazis is okay, isn't it therefore okay to punch right wingers. This was a thing that they would talk about openly. And also the speech equals violence paradigm or the speech equals violence framework that they would use. They would say, well, because what you say is as bad as violence, my violence against your speech is justified. Even though I'm the first one to commit violence. I know that's dizzying and that's sort of this self licking ice cream cone of logic. But that is actually this is widespread among the antifa types. John in Texas, what's going on? John.

[Caller]

McCall and it's a rough day these days, but we need to study or more people need to study the history. Hitler and the Nazis originated from the National Socialist Party. Socialist. So I don't know why people can't look up and say, well, that is where the left is coming from. And they are the ones that are actually the Nazis. And in the socialist, generally speaking, the ones that are on top, the leaders, they are the ones that make the money, they are the ones that get paid well, AOCs Bernie, that thing Stacy Abrams looked up and she got a million, a billion dollars to some group she headed up and they pass out the money to themselves like that.

[Clay Travis]

But I appreciate the call, John. I think what John's hitting on Buck a lot of times when we talk about political spectrums, I think it's honestly more accurate sometimes to call it a political circle because both logical extensions end in a form of totalitarianism. Whether it's coming from the left or the right. It is a complete control and eradication of enemy. And that is I think where you become susceptible to this. I'd also point out variety of opinion inside of party basically does not exist on the left now. And it is a strength of a political party to have multiple different competing perspectives because it limits totalitarianism. There's actually a wide variety of reasons people support the Republican Party, the Democrat Party that's become increasingly less so he's.

[Buck Sexton]

Unfortunately become Trump deranged. But Jonah Goldberg wrote a very good book, liberal fascism almost 20 years ago now Clay that addresses exactly this which is that the liberal in this country or the leftist is a. Well, that socialism is of the left and fascism is of the left. And this is what people don't really under that, you know, there's a. Oh, the right. Right wing. Right wing totalitarianism is fascism. No, fascism and communism. And this. We saw this play out in Pre World War II. Germany were fighting over the same or a lot of the same recruits and the same people and that's why there was violence against them. But they were both collectivists. It just one was a globalist collectivist in the case of the Soviet. The Soviet model, whereas there was a nationalist collectivist in the case of the fascists. Right. But there's a lot of. And yeah, national socialists obviously what the Nazi party actually was. There's a reason for why they call themselves that. Tara in North Carolina, what's going on? Tara?

[Caller]

Hey there. Thank you. We love watching your show. I have my other niece here with me. Her name is Abby and.

[Clay Travis]

Hi, Abby. We appreciate you being a part of the show.

[Caller]

Well, we were calling in is because, you know, earlier in the conversation today, you know, you were talking about what makes the youth want to go and do these things and if they grow up in a family that, you know is considered a decent traditional family. And I have another niece and she's 16 also and. And we don't really know what happened to send her to the liberal side. And we about talk about it every day. And so that's why I was calling in to just say it kind of happens before your eyes. It's like over the past year she's just gone, you know, to be so liberal and it's just almost scary.

[Clay Travis]

I think this is one of the huge fears for families out there, Buck. I mean and I think every family out there has someone they can point to that has been lost to a. In some way life that is the opposite of how they were raised.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that there are forms of mental illness that make people much more likely to become leftists. They're much more susceptible to the ideology of the left because of challenges that they have in their mind that are sort of pre existing from the indoctrination phase. That's one component of this. I think that you'll increasingly see that there are differences in just brain. You know, if you were to do it like a functional mri. A functional mri. I think that there are differences in the way that people on the hard left, their brains fire than other people.

[Clay Travis]

I.

[Buck Sexton]

This is my belief a lot. There's a lot of early data that supports this kind of stuff. You know, you can actually see like bipolarity on a functional mri. You can, you know, an fmri, you can see extreme mental illness. It changes the way that the brain is actually firing in certain ways. And I think that leftism is something that you. If you tried to. I think you'd be able to start to map it out more in the brain, because it is irrational. It does not. It does not make sense, Clay, to compare Trump to Hitler. Trump hasn't killed. Trump hasn't killed anybody in this country. He's actually doing great things. Hitler tried to take over the entire world and murdered millions and millions of people. 11 million in the death camp, 6 million Jews. Like, how are you comparing these things? This is like saying a mouse is an elephant and we're all supposed to look at you and say, yeah, those two things are similar. They are not.

[Clay Travis]

Or a man is a woman.

[Buck Sexton]

There we go.

[Clay Travis]

And I think it's intentional. I think they know that if they can get you to lie about objective biological reality, breaks you down to lie about everything.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is going back to my book, Manufacturing Delusion. This is why in totalitarianism, it's so important that you have to be a part of the lie. Clay, There was something that the Nazis used to enforce called physiognomic insubordination, which is a very complex way of saying if you don't seem enthusiastic enough, you know, making the hand gestures and the, you know, they would come over and you could get in a lot of trouble. You know, you could disappear if you're. If you made the wrong face. You know, it'd be like if somebody walked around during the national anthem and, you know, you didn't look patriotic enough. That was something the Nazis physionomic insubordination your body slouched, you looked unhappy while you were chanting the mandatory slogans.

[Clay Travis]

This is why, I mean it still exists in North Korea. This is why when you have North Korean celebratory events in totalitarian governments, they are exaggerating their enthusiasm for fear of potentially being severely consequented if they engage in behavior that doesn't suggest that they are fans of the Dear Leader. This is why you have to have the painting or, sorry, the photograph of. In a prominent place of Kim Jong Un inside of your home.

[Buck Sexton]

And if you. And if it's damaged, you can be. You can be sent to the camps or you can even be executed. That photo is more important in North Korea than your own family. And that is. That is by law there. Not that there's really law, but by whatever you want to call it, the writ of the, of the totalitarian system that they have. We got more. You know, Clay, you want to. Why don't we. Why don't we do a lovely read here and we'll take some more calls the other side because we've got every line lit still.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, no doubt. We'll continue to take your calls. We want you to be able to react. It's been a tough week for many of us, all of us really out there in the audience right now. 800-282-2882. You can also hit us up on the talkback if you don't want to wait in line and you want us to be able to potentially play your talk back, go hit the mic on the Iheart app and you can send us a message there. Unfortunately, Buck, we already lost on the prize picks. Pick Z was a tough one last night. Jaden Daniels did not come through for us. Congratulations to all the Packer fans. Jaden Daniels did not come through and.

[Buck Sexton]

And I'm sorry, did you not put money on Saquon? Because how could we expect a different outcome here.

[Clay Travis]

Here, Saquon has not yet played on.

[Buck Sexton]

Well then that's.

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Hold on. Correction. We won.

[Buck Sexton]

We won.

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This is a man.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, look at this.

[Clay Travis]

I apologize. I was at my 9th graders game last night so I did not get to watch and then we went out to dinner. I did not get to watch Washington Green Bay, full confession last night. I knew it was a really bad game for Washington. They scored two touchdowns late and by the grace of prize picks, those two touchdowns late were very beneficial to us in the fourth quarter. And as a result we actually did win the first leg of our three way, hopefully payoff. So if you played along. Prizepix.com Code Clay you won last week four 25 to 1. We are two thirds of the way to a 5 to 1 payout. So fingers crossed if Derrick Henry scores this weekend we will get a 5 to 1 payout. 5 to 1 payout going on now. Derek Henry to score a touchdown. Rushing or receiving. That's all we need to win back to back weeks. Thanks to Jaden Daniels coming through for us. Always been a big Jaden guy. Go right now to prizepix.com use my name Clay that's prizepix.com my name Clay. You get $50 when you play $5 you can play in California, Texas, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee. 40 states 13 million of you playing $50. All we need is a Derek Henry touchdown and we will cash back to back weeks 4.25 to 1 and 5 to 1. Fingers crossed. Prizepix.com Code Clay stories of freedom.

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[Buck Sexton]

All right, welcome back in everybody to Clay and Buck. Let's take a whole bunch of calls and talk backs here as we go off into the weekend. This is like our sit down to be with each other and just deal with this together, this situation this week. Remember we were even before this horrible assassination of Charlie Kirk, the country was reeling from the footage of Irina Zarutska brutally murdered. So it's been a really. And that footage, the full footage of that came out. I mean, it has been a really tough week. And so if you're feeling that, I'm sure, almost, I mean, I'm sure all of you are, you're, you're not alone at all. We're all just trying to deal with this and, and push through and say prayers and hold loved ones close and keep, keep moving because that's all we can do. Keep moving, keep moving forward. Stay in the fight. Let's see, we have where the, who are the callers currently, guys, because we've got so many of these things coming in, I can't. Clay, do you see who's up right now on the lines? Do we have.

[Clay Travis]

We got a bunch of talkbacks let's hit some of these talk backs. Ee, what you got for us?

[Buck Sexton]

My name is Joe.

[Caller]

I'm from Mississippi.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm a truck driver. Buck, I wanted to comment on what you said. I think death is too good for this young man. I think he needs to go to Gitmo, and I think that's where he needs to be. I don't think he needs to die. I think he needs to live miserable life for what he did to us. Well, we can get it a whole death penalty. I appreciate your perspective, and a lot of people will share that perspective. I think a lot of people share my perspective, which is that if there's ever a case for a death penalty, this would be. This would be very high on the list. And this gets into some deep philosophical. Should the state be involved in killing anybody? That's one part of this. Why should the taxpayer have to spend. It'll be hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of dollars to support this individual. Health care, food and everything else for the next. He's 22. What, 22 years old. It could be alive for 80 years.

[Clay Travis]

And also the expense of getting someone to the point of being executed. Not only does it take a decade or more, probably maybe 20 years in order to work its way through the entire criminal justice system, but it still might not happen. So that's the challenge. John, by the way, Goose Creek, South Carolina News Radio 94.3.

[Buck Sexton]

JJ, I am super angry right now. Like, just epically, just disgusted with. I'm a black man, and all I see is blacks going all over the place praising and celebrating and putting down this man for being assassinated when they don't even have a clue what he said. As a black man, what am I supposed to do? As a conservative black man, how am I supposed to do it? I wash my hands of them.

[Clay Travis]

I. I appreciate. Look, we start off the show by saying, I have a family member who posted on Facebook that he was glad that Charlie Kirk was murdered. I. I think that. But unfortunately, we've all had our eyes opened to how awful many of the people that surround us can be when it comes to this. What I would say is the advice that I give you all the time, and this is honestly something that Charlie asked to do. Explain why you believe that this person is awful most of the time. Occasionally you'll see me do this on social media. People say, oh, Clay Travis, you're racist or homophobic or transphobic or whatever else. And I'll just say, okay, I've been doing media 20 years. Please share what I have done that is any of those things in your mind? They never can. I think a lot of people on the left, they want to brand us as controversial. You read anything that's been written about me, Buck, for 20 years, I'm always controversial. And I. You can. Look, I understand that there are controversial opinions. I don't actually think I have very many. And it's certainly not the number one adjective that I would choose to describe me.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I mean, I have heard your hate speech about pistachio ice cream more than once, to be fair.

[Clay Travis]

Well, this is why radio is a great forum, because we have the luxury of talking to this audience all over the country every day and over time, for better or worse, it's impossible to be an actor and do radio. You reveal your inner soul in your essence, for good or ill. And. And that is why I think it's so hard to attack people who are on radio, because people are like, well, I listen to him for three hours every day. Like, that's not fair. I mean, you can disagree, but my point on that would be for that caller, I actually think pushing back and saying with people that, you know, hey, why do you think that? And maybe share something that you like that that person said and say, hey, I think you'd actually agree with him here if you listened. I think that's helpful.

[Buck Sexton]

Just a fun radio. And I've had a few people come up, by the way, here I'm in. I'm in Las Vegas, and I've had a few people come up and say, you know, love the show, which is always, always so nice. They're visiting. Right? I mean, they're not. I don't think they're native Las Vegas. Las Vegas. Las Vegans. What do we.

[Clay Travis]

What do we call Las Vegas? Ens. That's a tough word, too.

[Buck Sexton]

I think it's Las Vegas, I would assume.

[Clay Travis]

But like I heard Spencer Cox today say Utahns, and that's a pretty tough word to say.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, yeah.

[Clay Travis]

It doesn't float. Tennessee. And where I am, flows Floridian. Where you are, that's a relatively easy one. It flows.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. So. But you see these individuals, and it's funny, though, because people who don't. There are people, they listen on talk radio, and many of them listen to Rush, and they were Rush babies. And so this, this is the audio water in which they have been swimming for decades in many cases. But it's funny to me when people say, oh, wow, you know, if they've heard us for the first time or if they're Very recent. I've had people say. So who writes, like, who writes all the stuff you guys say? I always find that to be the highest compliment. I'm like, you think we're reading this? You think. You think someone's telling us what to say? I was like, clay and I sit down, we basically for about 60 seconds before we go in the air. Top story, top story. Okay. Anything else? Okay, boom, go. And then it is just. You are watching. It's like, you know, because we read in all morning and we're reading the same stories or reading the same data and information, and we. And we're texting back and forth to share that, but the actual formation of the show is about 60 seconds of. You good? I'm good. There we go. Yeah. Clay's holding up his notepad, which, by the way, I don't know what language that is. I don't think it's English, but it's something he's got you writing. Are you writing in Cyrillic? Are you some kind of a Russian agent? What is that?

[Clay Travis]

I. This is. I mean, for those of you watching on YouTube right now, I don't think there's anything particularly controversial or not supposed to be public on this notepad. I sit with a yellow legal pad. I write down the live reads, the advertisements that we have to do in the segment that we have to do it. And then like four or five things that I think are significant for the day just to remind myself, hey, hit this. Make sure we touch on that. That's it. So, yeah, there is no teleprompter. You know, this is not television. We're not putting on makeup. God, God knows, if you watch us on. There isn't a. There isn't some high wire act other than just trying to sit down for three hours and be as honest with all of you as we possibly can be. Greg in Colorado, what you got for us?

[Caller]

Yeah, I just had a couple points. You know, I know lots of us do know liberals, and we work with them every day, and we see the hate that at least half of them are spreading. They are glorifying and celebrating the death of a beautiful person. And just because of his views. And basically, if they are celebrating his death, they would do the same thing with ours. I mean, they would celebrate us, our death. They would wish death upon us because we have the same views. And then one more quick point. When you see their posts online, I put two. I was trying to message you guys. I put them on your Facebook page and a message. If you see them posting Their glorification and celebrating of his death. You put bring that to people's attention. I had one. There's a lady who was saying she was glad that he's dead because he supported Trump and he was a fascist. And then she said, the president is next and we need to spread those.

[Clay Travis]

And there's a lot. Thank you for that.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, there's a lot of that out there. And I would say, because some of you have also been emailing us, and I want to always be clear when we ask you for emails and talkbacks, we're reading all of it throughout the show, and that's one of the ways that we can keep a real close pulse on what's going on with you. We don't. We can't get to all of them on the air, obviously, but it is something that we're constantly seeing and reading. And even if so, when you send in a talk back, we get the transcript of it, and Clay and I see all of the transcripts. And if you send us an email, obviously, we. We read and see all of your emails. So don't think that because we don't read it on the air, you're not being heard, in a sense. And obviously, we get to as many of the live calls as we can, too. That's a little different because that has to be live and on the show. I would say this, though, because we've gotten some emails, Clay, where people say, well, you know, this isn't. The Charlie situation isn't surprising to them. Meaning, you know, the left's reaction to it because of how some people reacted when Rush passed.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

And here's. Here's how I would just. Yes. That isn't that. I totally see that observation. And for so many of us, too, who have had, I mean, I had a family member die of someone I was very close to die of cancer. And it's so painful, and it's just such a tragic and human thing that really all of us are going to know someone who dies of cancer. So for someone not to have some sympathy or a lot of sympathy, but, you know, at least some sympathy for Rush Limbaugh as a human being shows you how depraved their soul is, or lack of a soul that they have. Very similar with Charlie. But I would say this. Rush got to be Rush, and he got, you know, he got to do. He got to be the greatest on radio of all time. He got to live into his. Into his phase of life where he could look back on all that tremendous accomplishment, something that's particularly particularly tragic about this is Charlie was 31 years old and just getting going. You know, Rush had, Rush had saved the country, perhaps. Right? I mean, you, you look back, look at what Rush did. He at least had the time to do it. And it wasn't an assassin's bullet. It was cancer. Tragic, but different. But the response to all of you who are writing in, yes, of course, there were psychos out there who were celebrating Rush Limbaugh. A husband, a great American, a great boss, a great person. They were. And it just shows. Clay, I can tell you this, Clay North Clay nor I have ever celebrated the death of any American you know, in any way like this and never would. And you all know that because you listen to us every day and you know how we are, you know how we think, and you are the same way. You know, this is why I would say we are the people. Listen to us on radio. Clay, you know how you say about SEC football? I feel that way about everyone. I know you do too. Everyone listens to us on radio. They're good people. Because you're choosing to spend time surrounded by good and decent and true thoughts.

[Clay Travis]

I told my boys, I hate to have to say this, if something happens to me, don't go on social media. Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, face to face conversations, listen to the people that are important in your life. And look, you're, your boy's going to get older, you're hopefully going to have multiple kids Buck. At some point you're going to have to sit down with them. And I've had to do this for years, especially with the rise of social media, say, hey, who do you think knows dad better? People getting on social media and talking about me or you who have lived in a house with me your whole life. I think it's very illuminating for kids out there in that scenario. Judge people by what you see them do and how you know them. Don't judge people by what other people who don't know them at all say. Right. And I think that's unfortunate aspect of social media.

[Buck Sexton]

I would, I would add, Clay, that in the case of Charlie Kirk and also in the case of Rush Limbaugh, that the satanic would dance on their graves is actually one of the clearest symbols, indicators of the good that they stood for, the righteousness that they were fighting for, the impact that they had, that the worst among us would celebrate them being gone is proof of how important they were in the fight, how much they stood on the front lines, how much they changed lives, how much they saved lives, how much they saved this republic. And so there is definitely crossover there as well.

[Clay Travis]

Sometimes the people who hate you actually show to your point just how important you were.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, it's a badge of honor. I mean, the worst, most psychotic, most destructive people in America hated Rush Limbaugh just like they hated Charlie Kirsch work. It's the truth though. The absolute worst people.

[Clay Travis]

Amen. We come back, we'll close up the week. But I want to tell you, I wasn't even right about this earlier in the show. We're on track for a 5 to 1 win. If you, like me, are going to be ready to watch football and just kind of veg out a little bit by the time you get into the weekend. I Bet it's almost 100% of this audience that is going to watch a football game, either high school, college or pro at some point over the next several days. I'm headed up to Knoxville, by the way, for the Georgia Tennessee game. I'm going to be doing Big Noon for Fox interviewing Tennessee football coach Josh Hypo. Can't wait. I'm sure I'm going to meet a lot of you, but in the meantime you can go sign up for prize picks and be ready for next week's Thursday pick. All we need is a Derek Henry touchdown and we will have started off the NFL season with back to back wins. 4.25 to 1. Now a 5 to 1 winner for all of us if Derek Henry can get a touchdown, rushing or receiving over the weekend. Just fun. Get 50 bucks. Just make some picks, have a little bit more fun, kick back, have a beer, enjoy the games. Prizepix.com code clay that is pricepix.com code clay when you play $5 you get $50. You can play in California, Texas, Georgia, Florida, all over the country. That's pricepix.com code clay pricepix.com code clay keep up with the biggest political comeback in world history on on the Team 47 podcast Clay and Buck Highlight Trump replays from the week Sundays at noon Eastern. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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