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Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
Changing and so is the world. But what's happening in America isn't just the cause of global upheaval. It's also a symptom of disruption that's happening everywhere.
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Asma Khalid
I'm Asma Khalid in Washington, D.C. i'm.
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Clay Travis
Tristan Redman in London and this is the Global Story.
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Asma Khalid
Every weekday we'll bring you a story from this intersection where the world and America meet.
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Clay Travis
Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Time how we can save the next generation.
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Buck Sexton
We've got our show and the info is an antidote. But we also have a couple books coming out.
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Clay Travis
Clay. That's right. And you can pre order both of them right now and be book nerds just like us.
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Buck Sexton
You'll laugh, you'll nod and you'll get smarter too.
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Clay Travis
Mine's called Balls How Trump, Young Men and Sports Saved America.
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Buck Sexton
And mine is Manufacturing Delusion how the left Uses Brainwashing, Indoctrination and Propaganda against you.
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Clay Travis
Both are great reads. One might even say they would make fabulous gifts indeed.
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Buck Sexton
So do us a solid and pre order yours on Amazon today. Welcome in everybody to the Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show coming to you live from nyc. We're here in New York City. Clay has quite a about this afternoon indeed with Mr. Stephen A. Smith. They are going to be having a debate and as we know, we will not step back from debates these days. We will not in any way, in any way seed the fields to the other side. Although I think you guys are gonna have a pretty cordial but feisty exchange. But we've got a lot of news to dive into here and we've got updates. Well, first of all, Trump is, is leaving for the uk so we've got some, some sound from the President himself on a whole range of things. Ukraine talking about Pam Bondi, a deal on TikTok, which I'm excited about. I have been the only, I'm going to say this, I'm the only consistent conservative I think on TikTok of the last few years where I'm just like, I like it. We shouldn't get rid of it now. Everybody likes it. Now all of a sudden it's fine. Trump likes it, everybody likes it because there's ways to make it not now. I know you were saying all along, well as long as it's not a Chinese controlled spying operation, then you like it too. But I've just been waiting for this moment when there's a deal on TikTok. It looks like there is. Trump also spoke on Gaza JD Vance with some incredibly powerful comments about the people calling for unity right now with the radical left. I think JD he was guest hosting Charlie Kirk show yesterday. I think JD Absolutely nailed it. He's a very impressive guy, a very eloquent speaker in his own right. And so we'll get into that. More on the Memphis crime crackdown that may be coming. And then perhaps, Clay, if we. Because we're in New York City, the New York City mayoral race, which I'm sad for our New York City based staff, because it is my belief that the mayor is going to be Mamdani. And it is almost a sure thing at this point, which is pretty stunning, pretty outrageous. But let's, let's dive into a few things here. You know, I actually want to start with this. So this is kind of a longer clip because I wanted you to hear the whole thing. But J.D. vance, when he was guest hosting the Charlie Kirk program yesterday, J.D. vance, talking about this, because here's what I think is very frustrating for me, for you, Clay, for a lot of people right now. You had Charlie, who was doing debate discussion, created a marketplace of ideas or a forum for ideas, and he was. He was assassinated. And now you have all these people who are saying, well, we just need a marketplace of ideas or, you know, we just need to tone things down and get into an exchange. Well, hold on a second. We were doing that. It's the other side that was not doing that and is not willing to do it. Even still. Here is JD Vance. This is Cut nine with something I just think you all really need to hear.
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J.D. Vance
There is no unity with people who scream at children over their parents politics. There is no unity with someone who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to excuse his murder. There is no unity with someone who harasses an innocent family the day after the father of that family lost a dear friend. There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination. And there is no unity with the people who. Who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers, who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband and father, deserved a shot to the neck because he spoke words with which they disagree. Did you know that the George Soros Open Society foundation and the Ford foundation, the groups who funded that disgusting article justifying Charlie's death, do you know they benefit from generous tax treatment? They are literally subsidized by you and me, the American taxpayer. And how do they reward us? By setting fire to the house built by the American family over 250 years. I am desperate for our country to be united in condemnation of the actions and the ideas that killed my friend. I want it so badly that I will tell you a difficult truth. We can only have it with people who acknowledge that political violence is Unacceptable. And when we work to dismantle the institutions that promote violence and terrorism in.
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Buck Sexton
Our own country, I think Clay, he absolutely nails it. But also the both sides ism has switched from both sides to political violence to both sides need to calm down and look for unity. No, it's this, this both sides thing is not going to fly.
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Clay Travis
I just, I can't get past the fact that we have an entire base of the left wing that has celebrated this assassination. There's always going to be crazy people, there's always going to be lunatics. But the idea that huge portions of the Democrat base have taken to social media, have exalted across the entire Internet in this assassination I mentioned last week, I bet almost every single one of you has someone in your larger friend or family network who, if you go on Facebook, you have seen somebody and kind of been in disbelief that it could be happening. And that's the part, Buck, that I can't get over, that I can't get past. And frankly, that I think is the most indefensible aspect of this at all. And I just, I mean, just play along with me on this. In this world, if Barack Obama had had an ear clipped by a bullet, fired by a would be assassin, if a month later somebody else had tried to kill him, and then in the same roughly year period, 14 months, the top, one of the top advocates for Barack Obama had been assassinated at a free speech event. Is there any way at all that the left would be saying, hey, we need for everybody to tone down the political violence? And then you toss in all of the blue sky celebrations, all of the Twitter celebrations. They are banning people on Reddit for condemning the assassination. Let me repeat that. On some of these forums that are moderated on Reddit, they are actually banning posters who are condemning the assassination. Remember what happened after January 6th. They wouldn't let Trump have an Etsy account or have a. What's the thing where they do like the poster boards and Pinterest? Pinterest, yeah, they would. They banned him on every social media platform. They shut him down on Twitter, on Facebook, on all the Instagram, all the big ones. Many of you out there, they restricted as well. I don't believe in free speech restrictions, but just look at how the left responded to Jan6, condemning wholeheartedly huge swathes of America as violent extremists. And now after they engage in violent extremism, the topic is, oh, we got to tone down the violence. Well, actually, why don't you address your own house? And the fact that this is the logical consequence of calling a man Hitler and all of his supporters Nazis. For a decade, this guy wrote anti Nazi slogans, anti fascist slogans, pro trans slogans on the bullets that he used to kill Charlie Kirk. The casings. I'm sorry, I'm not willing to say we have a mutuality of violence issues here. The left is uniquely right now. Violent and driven by the rhetoric of the Democrat Party. No one out there is calling Mamdani Hitler. Nobody is calling Chuck Schumer or Kamala Harris or any of the leaders of the Democrat Party. Morons, yes. Bad faith arguers, yes. But that is focused on what they're saying, not them as individuals. When you say that someone is a violent extremist threat, you can't then say, but we condemn the acts that are done to undertake to try to remove a violent extremist. This is, this is just bs.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, well, they've been making the case, the Democrats have been making the case for years now that Trump, Trumpism, maga are a clear and present danger to the republic are the end of democracy. The, you know, the jokes that are made about Trump 2028, they take very seriously and they completely lose their minds over it. And I think that finally what we've seen is, you know, people refer to normies, you know, the people who aren't really that involved in politics day to day, they with the response to what happened to our friend, to the assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk, they are seeing this and coming away with the conclusion. You know, if you're a fair minded person, you're just observing there's something really wrong with the left in this country and the Democrat Party is the vessel of the left. The left really controls it.
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Clay Travis
After Trump was nearly killed, we came on this show and we said, is the left gonna dial down the rhetoric and the temperature? And within a couple of months the answer was no. They were right back to Trump is Hitler, Trump is a fascist. Democracy is going to end. If Trump is elected president. There's not going to be an election in 2026, there's not going to be an election in 2028. They went right back to the same arguments they were making that I believe motivated the assassination attempts. My concern is now that Charlie Kirk has actually been assassinated, instead of dialing the temperature down, I think the temperature has gotten escalated even more.
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Buck Sexton
Well, there are people, there are streamers, you know, there's this whole world of Internet activity that quite honestly is like people 30 and below that. Even you and I who are Internet native in the sense that we both start. Like, I started doing digital radio before I was even doing terrestrial radio. Right, right. And I know I work for a website and you started a website.
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Clay Travis
And we understand the Internet. We're not old guys that are like, what's the dot com thing?
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Buck Sexton
Right, exactly. We're not, you know, we're not running with our AOL emails. Just kidding. Some of you. I know I'm gonna get. My mom has an AOL email. Don't worry, they're still cool. But there are corners of the Internet, discord, Reddit, that have become clearly centers of left wing radicalization on some of these issues where people are encouraging each other and sharing certain things. And it's just interesting to me as well, Clay, that during the Biden administration, we recall there was the disinformation czar position that they.
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Clay Travis
And that they used Nina Jankowicz. Was that her name?
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, yeah. Soviet Mary Poppins, remember? Yeah, the. The efforts to shut down disfavored speech. You mentioned what they did to Trump. I mean, they did this to an actual president.
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Clay Travis
They kicked him off while he was in office. They would not allow him to communicate.
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Buck Sexton
So I also think that there is a. There's not really a willingness to have rules in place for how our side conducts itself to try to get accountability that will always just be used against it. I'm reminded of the quote from Children of Dune, which is not the original Dune, but it's one of the follow ons. I think it's Frank Herbert. It's when I am weak, I demand freedom because it is according to your rules. When I am strong, I demand obedience because it is according to my rules. That's roughly the quote. And that's really the way that the Democrats operate with all this stuff. It's when they can get away with it, they censor, they shut you down. They do all of this, but when they've reached a point where they've gone way too far and clearly there's a problem, they start saying, oh, it's on all sides and we need to just turn down the temperature and. Oh my gosh, you're censoring people. I mean, censoring people here. JD this is 14. JD went straight up, said people celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder should have their employers called. So this is from the vice president. Play 10. America deserved nine, 11. Dude, what?
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J.D. Vance
So when you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out. In hell. Call their employer. We don't believe in political violence, but we do believe in civility. And There is no civility in the celebration of political assassination.
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Buck Sexton
Anyway. So, yeah, the, the reality here is the employers being called Clay. Democrats were fine with people being being fired for hand gestures that meant nothing. Democrats were fine. Like we've gone through all of this and basically now that they don't have the power, now that they don't have the, you know, the power to do what they want to do anymore, there's a problem.
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Clay Travis
I think again, we'll get into this, but they're panicked a little bit because they recognize the ones that are intelligent enough that they have a toxic, violent culture on the left that they have created. And they're trying to still argue that this assassin was motivated by right wing politics. And in fact, it's working. We should get into this. There's polling out there that suggests, again, you guys know, because we try to be honest with you and share the full scope of stories, you understand what all the data reflects, what all the evidence is marshaled, that this was a crazy left winger. A lot of Democrats actually believe that this was a Republican that assassinated Charlie Kirk. Their lies actually have cogency and success. We'll dive into that a little bit here in a minute. But it was nearly two years ago. Terrorists murdered more than 1200 innocent Israelis, took 250 hostages. Today, it seems as if the cries of those we lost and their families have been drowned out by shouts of anti Semitic hatred. It's almost as if the most brutal attack on Jewish people since the Holocaust been completely forgotten. As the world looks away, a light shines in the darkness. A movement of love and support for the people of Israel called Flags of Fellowship. It's organized by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. And on Sunday, October 5, just a few weeks away, millions across America will plant an Israeli flag in honor and solidarity with the victims of October 7, 2023 and their grieving families. You can be a part of this movement, too. To get more information about how you can join the Flags of Fellowship movement, visit the fellowship online@ifcj.org that's ifcj.org saving.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
America is changing and so is the world. But what's happening in America isn't just the cause of global upheaval. It's also a symptom of disruption that's happening everywhere.
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Asma Khalid
I'm Asma Khalid in Washington, D.C. hi.
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Clay Travis
I'm Tristan Redman in London and this is the Global Story.
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Asma Khalid
Every weekday we'll bring you a story from this intersection where the world and America meet.
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Clay Travis
Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
Trump was talking to reporters this morning. He is leaving for the United Kingdom. He spoke about a whole Range of issues. Wanted to bring you up to speed on that. Also, we've got some updates from FBI Director Patel. He's been making the rounds on Fox News talking about the status of the investigation. But first up here we have, we've got a whole range of Trump stuff. I'll start here with Pam Bondi. Now, Pam Bondi's gotten a little bit of pushback from people even on the right over some comments that she made. Do we have team, do we have that where she says we're going to go after hate speech? This got. She was on the Stephen Miller's wife's podcast.
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Clay Travis
Katie.
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Buck Sexton
Katie, thank you. And was on that podcast. Yeah, we have that here. Play, play, play what she said on the podcast. There's free speech and then there's hate speech. And there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie in our society, do you see more law.
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Clay Travis
Enforcement going after these groups who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people? So we show them that some action is better than no action will absolutely target you, go after you if you.
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Buck Sexton
Are targeting anyone with hate speech, anything. And that's across the aisle. She means incitement to violence, which is a very specific thing, I hope hate speech. There's, there's not a hate speech exception to the First Amendment. Now this is where everyone seems to get clay in this, in this discussion. Not everyone, but people seem to get maybe sometimes intentionally confused or they conflate things. It is one thing to say that you publicly state something and your employer chooses to look you or I. Yes, we can't, we're here on the radio. There are things we cannot say on the radio. There are words, for example, we could not say without repercussions. We would get in trouble because of the fcc.
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Clay Travis
That's right.
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Buck Sexton
Right. So we accept that as part of because this is a time and place restriction on our speech. But also when you're working for a private employer, especially if you're an at will employee, they can decide that you reflect poorly on them as an employee and they can, they can fire you. That is a different thing than the government is going to go after you and lock you up because you said things that are very, very mean or very, very gross. Talking about the hate speech thing, remember the left says that hate speech is using the wrong pronouns for trans individuals.
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Clay Travis
Right.
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Buck Sexton
So if we're going to get into this, we can't even define or rather there is no working definition of hate speech. It's just whatever the people in power don't like, so I'm a little surprised that the AG said this. I think that she, I'm not actually even sure what she thought she was saying with this. I'm confused by where she's going with it.
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Clay Travis
What we don't need. So let me take a step back and hit it two different ways. One, Europe has hate speech codes that they're trying to apply now. That's how you end up when a comedian gets off an airplane flight in London having five police officers to wait for him. If you remember that story, which wasn't very long ago, that British comedian was accused of hate speech for addressing trans related issues. And, and we have seen 60 Minutes went into Germany with their cameras and followed as people were arrested for things that they posted on social media which I believe were clearly political speech. So I think she's wrong here too. And this is where I'm not, I'm not happy with this. It is natural to respond emotionally to awful things. It is 100% natural. Anybody who listened to this show last week knows that we were strongly and deeply emotionally impacted by what happened to Charlie. But the Attorney General of the United States cannot be in a position where he or she is responding emotionally when it comes to putting in place the principles of the law under which we are all living. And so I'm disappointed by the way that the Attorney General of the United States spoke here. Now, to your point, if she were inarticulately attempting to address, which is again, she's a lawyer, she should be more articulate on this. If she were attempting to say there is a difference between call to action for violence, incitement, as you said, and political speech that is true. You can't go on and say to you or me or we couldn't say this on the show, hey, I disagree with this political opinion and you should kill that guy for saying it. That's not protected speech. Death threats are not protected speech. There is criminal element that moves towards incitement. And if she's trying to address that, she inarticulately did it.
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Buck Sexton
I think that's what I'm leaning toward. I think that's what she was trying. She has to know that conservatives, we've been trying to get rid of the right has been trying to get rid of hate speech. For example, the fact that there have been people arrested for putting skid marks on a correct pride flag on the road. On the road. No, that's insane. Okay? You can't do that. Or that people would get arrested for burning like the trans Flag. You know, this is a discussion we had recently, so I think she was just saying something else, but it didn't really come out very well. But Trump spoke. This is what was making me think of this. Trump spoke about it. This is cut 4 and also about Cash Patel. So let's hear what the President has to say. First of all, I think that Pam Bondi has done an unbelievable job and everybody agrees with that. And Cash, you know, if you look at, take a look at what he did with respect to this horrible person that he just captured, he did it in two days. It took other similar cases. Four days, five days, four years. If you look at certain shooters. Now, I have confidence in everybody in the administration, my administration, and a lot of people are saying it, not just me. It's so far the best administration ever formed. So. So the people who are saying that Patel is about to. Director Patel is about to get the boot, including, I think Cory Booker said that. He said, trump's going to leave you high and dry or he's going to, you know, kick you to the curb, something like that. Trump is standing with his people and not, not backing down at all.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, I think a lot of that criticism came out because, to be fair, Cash tried to be overly informative on social media about the people who were being taken into custody. And there were two people, if I remember correctly, Buck, that were taken into custody, that at least the way that it was released was, hey, we think we have the shooter. And neither of those individuals were in fact the shooter, and both were released. Now, obviously they have the shooter in custody. I think if Cash Patel could go back, he would say, hey, I wish I had been a little bit slower in the way that, that I posted about some of these arrests. But I think his goal was as the FBI director to over communicate with people. So it didn't look like we were hiding the ball or to allow conspiracies to take root. And so I think that was the intent.
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Buck Sexton
I can also point to previous instances where the FBI was delaying and it looked like delaying so that they could politicize. It looked like they weren't releasing. I'm not talking about under this Trump administration, but you can go back and think about, for example, Clay, I don't know if you remember the Pulse nightclub shooting under the. I think it was the Obama administration. This is going back quite a ways. The FBI released a transcript that the shooter who had called in because he wanted everyone to know, and he was saying things like, I'm doing this for Allah. I'M doing this for isis. Like, very straightforward. The FBI unilaterally decided to black stuff out in the transcript and it was, it was preposterous because we all could play the fill in the blank game. We knew what he was saying.
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Clay Travis
Right.
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Buck Sexton
We understood what was going on. And there have been other cases as well where I think the FBI was very, look, I'm the one that I'm sure a lot of, a lot of you listening are screaming about is all the Russia collusion stuff instead of being transparent and letting people know when they knew or, you know, the problem with that was they were all. I'm not. They were all. But the FBI was, was in on that whole scam. So there was just a lack of faith. So I think the efforts at transparency, putting the information out sooner, that comes from a good place for Director Patel. But there were some, some missteps perhaps in the way the information was shared because, for example, we all thought that they had the guy in custody and they didn't and that, that probably shouldn't happen.
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Clay Travis
Also, I think he's seeing all of the lies that are being spread on the left about the motivations of this shooter. Maybe at the top of the next hour, we'll dive into some more of this. There is, I believe right now a calculated attempt on the left in this country because they recognize that normal people out there are saying, wait a minute, there's a lot of people celebrating this murder and there is a lot of left wing violence in the wake of the shooting at the Nashville school, in the wake of the shooting at the Minneapolis school. And you can be a left wing malkotent, but his motivations, this shooter, appears to have clearly been fueled by left wing attacks on Charlie Kirk, on Donald Trump, on people like you and me as Hitler and Nazis and fascists and all of these things. And so I think they're trying to intentionally confuse people as to where these motivations are coming from. So I think the goal of Cash Patel and Dan Bongino is to try to get the truth out.
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Buck Sexton
Well, that's, I mean, that's absolutely what's going on. There's an intentional effort by the media so that they can avoid the ideological accountability of. Because remember, they were, they have been saying stuff cnn, the New York Times, Washington Post, you know, the biggest Democrat aligned media outlets. We don't really, it's interesting, we used to call them mainstream media. We got rid of that because why do we say they're mainstream? Right. And then it was legacy media. But that felt a Little too exalted for them. We don't have really a good term for, I don't know, maybe lib media. My point though is they have been saying stuff, Clay, for years that if somebody really believed. The gap between reading this stuff and thinking that you need to take imminent action is for far too small. If somebody says that the President is a Nazi, the White House is full of white supremacists, there's not going to be another election and they're going to be marching, you know, they're going to be marching you off into, you know, some kind of camps because you're a Democrat. Whatever the crazy stuff that they say, fascism. They use the term fascism all the time. The people that say that, by the way, I think just have very little understanding of what a fascistic society is like. One thing that's not true in fascism is, is you get more famous and more money in the media if you are bashing the regime all the time. And that it's like a good, at least it was previously for them a good strategy. But I think that they, the main, this is the big, the big difference when they do the both sidesism thing, the mainstream thinking among the Democrat party when it comes to Trump maga, all of it is extreme and delusional. And you can say on the right, there are people who have said nasty things here or there, but they are fringe. They do not have, they do not have power. They are not, you know, in the, you know, the center of the decision making of the conservative or the right wing movement in this country. And that's where there's just an, there's just a hugely obvious difference. And we won't. I was talking to Clay, like, do we want to play these guys or not? There are these left wing streamers on Discord. So just so I'm understand this now, Discord is where he was having the, the shooter.
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Clay Travis
Discord. Discord is a chat room, but it.
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Buck Sexton
Goes simultaneously to video game playing, is that right?
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Clay Travis
So my understanding, because my boys are active is Discord. You can create group chats. And the group chats on Discord are basically private message boards that can be very large. Or you could create a Discord group chat for say your family and friends where everybody can communicate. My understanding is that he was active in trans related Discord group chats, which some of which can be very substantial in scope. What is different is, again, this is me trying to dive into the Internet here and explain differences. Reddit is basically an online message board where everybody can see what is posted and there are all these different private Reddit. This is like a private.
- [34:40]
Buck Sexton
I think I might be thinking of.
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Clay Travis
Is it Twitch? Yeah, you're thinking of Twitch, which is a video streaming service that largely is featuring people playing video games.
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Buck Sexton
So people watch. This is amazing because I actually during I admit this, I started playing some video games again. I kind of like Call of Duty. I like. But the idea that I would sit there and watch somebody else play video games is. It's just makes no sense to me at all. But this is a big, the communities that do this are huge online.
- [35:09]
Clay Travis
My boys love to watch video games be played. Now they would say this is how you learn how to do things on the games. Because these guys are super skilled, whether it's at playing Madden, FIFA or Roblox and Fortnite and all these different things. And I asked my boys about that and they said, well dad, you watch a lot of sports and that's just other people playing sports. Why is it weird to watch people play video games? And I was like, oh, you know, so interesting argument you at I generation, we didn't have the ability to watch other people play video games. This is actually an outgrowth. The thing that was crazy to me that they would watch is other kids opening presents. But this, this is clearly, this is.
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Buck Sexton
Their generation, the hard left of, of Gen Z. This is kind of where they're on Discord and this Twitch thing and they have people that are, have become very prominent with large followings who are really bad dudes and they're in this part of the Internet like Clay. And I've never been on Twitch, I've never been on Discord. I, you know, and I barely have.
- [36:15]
Clay Travis
Ever same for me.
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Buck Sexton
I've never used Reddit. I've had it come up in search. But these other things, this is, this is a place where radicalism of the left has thrived, is thriving on the Internet. And that's really what I think is.
- [36:26]
Clay Travis
Reddit is maybe the furthest left wing of all of the social media sites on the Internet. You might say, well why do I care? Reddit is one of the top sources now for AI information. That's sounds scary, but if you're worried about what the algorithm is going to spin out, an algorithm is only as good and AI is only as good as the information that is inputted. And Reddit is a toxic place when it comes to, to left wing dominance of the conversation. Look, let me tell you, there's a home burglary about every 30 seconds in this country. On average until the cops show up. How would you defend yourself or your family if this happened to you? Our sponsor Saber makes non lethal self protection tools. We've got them in the home because if Saber makes it, guess what? We have it. Saber spelled S a b r e website sabrerradio.com start with one just to make it easy. Get the pepper spray projectiles for self protection. Saber is the number one pepper spray brand trusted by law enforcement. Products are non lethal but powerful enough to pack a punch. Sabre family owned been doing this for 50 years. Their pepper gel projectile launchers shaped like a pistol or a rifle depending on the model, they fire off pepper gel projectiles targeted go a longer distance than you might think, making it very effective against an intruder. But maybe you, like me, have a lot of teenagers in and out of the house and you want to protect your home without using lethal methods. This is a great option for that. Go online saberradio.com right now you'll save 15%. There s a B R E radio.com, you can also call 844-824 safe. That's 844-824 safe. Patriots radio hosts a couple of regular.
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Buck Sexton
All right, welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We've got an update on a a different assassination case than the one we've been very focused on for the last few days. The Luigi Mangione case. The alleged assassin of the United Healthcare CEO. And I just want to update you. Well, update you on what happened and then you'll hear about what it sounded like outside the courthouse here in New York where we are for this week, a judge has thrown out the top counts in Luigi Mangione state murder case, rejecting claims the accused killer can be charged as a terrorist. And a huge blow to prosecutors. Judge Gregory Caro tossed charges of murder in the first degree as an act of terrorism and murder in the second degree as an act of terrorism against the 27 year old. He did keep alive the other second degree murder charge for allegedly executing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on December 4th of 2024. Let me see. The people presented sufficient evidence that defendant murdered Brian Thompson. That does not mean the defendant did so with terroristic intent. Okay, so this judge is a moron. Yes, so the judge is a moron. That was quick. Yeah, the judge is an idiot. And speaking of idiots, here is outside the courthouse when the top counts were dropped against this guy, this is what it sounded like to a bunch of people or from a bunch of people gathered. I have a lot of feelings about this, Clay. One thing is, you know, the whole both sides ism. Not a single Trump voter in that crowd, I can assure you, not one. It's all leftists, all Democrats.
- [40:10]
Clay Travis
Well, this is where I think a lot of us, and I'll put myself in this camp, became aware of the uniquely toxic environment on the left when just down the road from where we are doing our show, you can almost see the location of this assassination of the UnitedHealthcare CEO. A lot of people defended it on the left and said, well, insurance companies are really frustrating, so the CEO should have expected that he might get killed and even said it's a good thing. And they tried to turn Luigi Mangione into a heartthrob because, remember, it took multiple days to catch him because he had done the shooting wearing a mask and immediately fled. There's the bike racks right outside the front of this building where he grabbed a bike and then vanished.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, we're right here in midtown near where the assassination occurred. So we know that street very well. And I just, I think about one the, the assassin of Charlie Kirk, him and his. Which we'll talk more also about. They're looking into who else knew and what did they know and was anyone aiding and abetting in any way? We'll get to that in the third hour. But Clay, they certainly were aware of these in the Discord chats, which I was learning about what Discord is. Certainly were aware of Luigi. And wasn't the joke, wasn't there a joke made? You know, don't go to a McDonald's or something among them, because that's where Luigi got caught, I think.
- [41:34]
Clay Travis
Yeah, that's right. He got turned in by a guy who recognized him at a. I think it was a Pennsylvania era area kind of rural location where the guy recognized him. And I just, again, to your point, there is no equivalent to this on the right. I can't remember a situation like this where we've seen a reaction.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Learn more@probane.com welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are here in New York city down in D.C. cash Patel, director of the FBI is testifying on Capitol Hill. And this came out a little bit earlier. Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri was asking Kash Patel, hey, we know that this one guy has been arrested, that he is a left wing zealot and there are lots of suggestions out there that many people in the trans community may well have known that this attack was coming based on different social media posts, different activity out there. The investigation is ongoing. But this question, cut 40, I believe, is from Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri for Cash Patel. Listen to the answer. Here it is.
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Cash Patel
In terms of what we do for an interrogation perspective, we go and reach out to the family and community immediately. And we've conducted those investigations and interrogations with local law enforcement. And we're continuing to do that because those closest to the suspect are going to hopefully know the most about the suspect and his beliefs and his ideology. On top of that, unfortunately, it has been leaked that there was a Discord chat. And for those unfamiliar with it, it's a gaming chat room online that the suspect participated in. So what we're doing we've already done is serve legal process not just on discord, so that the information we gathered is sustained and held in a evidentiary posture that we could use in prosecution should it be decided to do so. And we're also going to be investigating, investigating anyone and everyone involved in that Discord chat.
- [47:36]
Clay Travis
Okay, very good.
- [47:37]
Buck Sexton
I See, the public reports that the.
- [47:39]
Clay Travis
Discord thread had as many as 20 additional users. It sounds like you're trying to run down all of that to see if that's accurate. Who else may have been on that thread, what they may have known? Is that fair to say?
- [47:50]
Cash Patel
It's a lot more than that. And we're running them all down.
- [47:52]
Clay Travis
It's a lot more than 20.
- [47:53]
Cash Patel
Yes, sir.
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Clay Travis
And you're running all of that?
- [47:54]
Cash Patel
Every single one.
- [47:56]
Clay Travis
Okay, so one of the challenges here, Buck, and again, that's Cash Patel responding today, testifying on Capitol Hill is going to be did people know or did they not know about this plan? Because there are a lot of social media posts saying that something was going to happen to Charlie Kirk on that day. Now, what we don't know, Buck, to be fair, is Charlie Kirk speaks all over the place. Are posts like this common? In other words, were death threats against Charlie Kirk so common that people regularly said, oh, something's going to happen to Charlie when he speaks at this location or that location. I'm sure the FBI is looking into it. But the trans universe out there, that is the people that are connected to this trans individual that the alleged killer was living with seems fairly substantial. And many of those people were very active. And they tried to scrub a lot of the commentary by deleting accounts and by deleting comments that were posted. It's going to be a big part of this investigation, I think, to find out how many people might have been involved or had pre existing knowledge of this assassination attempt.
- [49:05]
Buck Sexton
They're going to look at everything they can and get into these Discord chats. The thing about all these electronic communications is that people think that they there's security on them. Meaning you can say things and the authorities won't find out. No, they can get into it and they will. They'll get into all these different servers and see what was said and they'll also, I think, chase down additional leads as well. There's been discussion from Cash Patel about funding for this incident or anything similar to it. Any left wing terrorism that is out there, they want to see who is funding this stuff. I think that's also very important. Cash saying that we are, in essence, we are going to. Here you go. Actually, this is cut one. Would you guys play this one for me? I wanted to pull this one up. Here's Cash saying they're going to go wherever the money takes them.
- [49:57]
Cash Patel
I've always said we follow the money and whether it's terrorism or attacks based on ideology or attacks on institutions of faith or people of faith. Someone's paying for it. And we are reverse tracing those steps. We are not stopping at the perpetrator themselves. We are reverse engineering to hold those accountable in our vest investigations to who funded them and knowingly funded them. And we will bring the appropriate steps against them with our partners at doj.
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Buck Sexton
So that's interesting. Follow the money. Terrorism attacks based on ideology. Someone is paying for it. Is he speaking, Clay, you think just in general about these kinds of violent incidents or is there something about this one in particular? Because the rifle that was used, you notice there's not much of a talk about gun control because, oh, of course, if you try to ban this rifle you're banning. I mean this is a. Basically an old school bolt action hunting rifle is essentially the murder weapon that was used here, the assassination weapon that was used. So that's not, you know, there's nothing about that that is expensive or sophisticated or out of the ordinary. I think it's interesting, I'm not sure if Cash is just speaking about this to set a general tone that for any of these incidents. And if there's going to be in the future, let's say antifa or transfer riots in neighborhoods, are they being funded by some of these shadowy carve outs that have tie ins to anybody funded by Soros or whatever it may be. Or is there something about this that they're specifically looking at a money trail? That's for him to bring this up. I just think it's interesting that he's talking about money in this incident. Whether, whether there's anything that they've seen that makes them think because they're looking for coconspirators, they're looking for people that knew. They're looking at all these different aspects of it. I wouldn't think the logistics of this would require financing really. It's not like, you know, jihadist terrorists. You have to get. Maybe they're getting fake passports and they're getting plane tickets and they're coming over here or whatever. But there is stuff we clearly don't know yet and that even the FBI doesn't know they're trying to chase down.
- [52:04]
Clay Travis
Isn't it interesting to a large extent that the mass protests have not existed for year one of Trump? I know there have been some. They had that one. No Kings Day or whatever it was.
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Buck Sexton
But it's kind of a dud, sad.
- [52:18]
Clay Travis
Exclamation kind of a dud. The anti Trump protests on Inauguration Day. You and I have talked about being in the midst of those and how sad and muted they felt. It was cold.
- [52:29]
Buck Sexton
We want to give those old ladies a cup of hot cocoa.
- [52:31]
Clay Travis
Yeah, like I just, I felt like they needed bigger coats.
- [52:35]
Buck Sexton
Their purple hair was turning into icicles. It was sad out there. There.
- [52:38]
Clay Travis
I walked into Fox News today And there were eight or so bedraggled protesters, all 75 or older, standing outside of Fox News protesting. It is to me somewhat intriguing that all of the counter protests to Trump have kind of dried up. And the reason why, I wonder is did blm, did a lot of people suddenly realize that they were going to get looked into in a real way because remember how suspicious it always was because some dump truck would pull up and suddenly there would just be bricks that were able to be picked up and two by fours and other objects of violence that just materialized for everybody. There are a lot of paid protesters. I think a lot of us have come to recognize that there are many people who paid to show up. But it does feel like those overall, what they tried to label organic protest have suddenly vanished. In Trump 2.0 it was clearly a.
- [53:37]
Buck Sexton
Rent a mob phenomenon that had had occur left wing protests. I think that's definitely the case. I also think that now when they look at the places where this stuff is being organized and, and planned out, it is in places like these Discord chats. This has become. And I think the perfect example is neither you nor I, who are very Internet aware and active are on Discord or doing any of this stuff, certainly not on Twitch. But if you were to think about where do people in Antifa and where do those, those kinds of radicals find each other? I mean, I go back Clay, to the old, the old jihadist chat room. This was something that for a long time and a lot of the counterterrorism investigations of the, call it, the 2010s around there, it all started with people who found each other. This is now jihadist terrorism we're talking about. But they found each other on a chat. And then maybe they started attending the same mosque. They'd try to go to a more radical mosque. And then maybe they would start doing a little bit of firearms training together or talking about how to build a bomb. And they would share articles from Inspire, which was Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula's propaganda arm, slash telling people go, go do terror attacks. Here's how you do it right?
- [55:01]
Clay Travis
But they were finding people in these.
- [55:02]
Buck Sexton
Chat rooms and that. And then it became very clear over time, FBI and other entities are very actively monitoring any terrorist conspiracies. Going on there. And I think that they're going to find a lot of really scary and, and, and very likely illegal stuff being discussed when they start to look at the. Because these things tend to be linked to each other.
- [55:27]
Clay Travis
Right.
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Buck Sexton
This group is talking. Maybe this group also has this other group and they, they communicate in this online ecosystem.
- [55:33]
Clay Travis
Well, I think what you're going to find with Discord, and I know a lot of you are not hyper online necessarily listening to us, but you basically have a series of private message boards. And I think when they now know that this Discord group chat that Cash Patel referenced exists, I think there's going to be a lot of people saying, wait a minute, to what extent should Discord chats.
- [55:59]
Buck Sexton
Right.
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Clay Travis
Like, and again, I understand this is getting in the weeds a little bit for some of you, but Reddit is a public forum. Twitter is a public forum. That is, everybody can see what is posted on these things.
- [56:11]
Buck Sexton
So if you or I are tweeting at somebody, hey, let's get the rent a mob together to go, you know, go bash some windows down at this place at this time. Guess who else is seeing it? The cops and everybody.
- [56:22]
Clay Travis
So that, that they can track. But I wonder to what extent there's going to be questions now raised about private message board servers in Discord and the conversations that are being facilitated inside of that marketplace does that because it's bringing strangers together.
- [56:40]
Buck Sexton
And this is what I mean about the old, the old school jihadist chat rooms.
- [56:43]
Clay Travis
Yes.
- [56:44]
Buck Sexton
This is where people would find each other on.
- [56:47]
Clay Travis
That's right.
- [56:48]
Buck Sexton
And then that's the format that would be the formation of the cell or the formation of the sort of radicalization process would start there and then things would follow on to that. Then the action would come. Instead of the old school chat room, which, you know, now it's this, specifically these Discord servers.
- [57:05]
Clay Travis
So I wonder how much of an investigation is going to go on here. And I think you're raising good, interesting questions, which are how much of these private conversations in a public forum. Discord is a company that is hosting and making money off of these. How much of them are incredibly toxic and how many of them are criminal in nature? And what is the responsibility of Discord when it comes to monitoring in some way those conversations and, or for authorities to monitor those conversations?
- [57:36]
Buck Sexton
I wonder what kind of, what do they call it when they, you know, they have the people like.
- [57:42]
Clay Travis
Moderating.
- [57:42]
Buck Sexton
Thank you. Moderating. Because Facebook and these and these other major platforms have gotten far more savvy about moderation. They've they've had to. But they also, I'm sure using not just algorithms but AI increasingly to do this stuff. Discord may be kind of the Wild West a little bit. That's the sense you get, right? It may be almost like anything goes in this chat room and these people feel like no one else is going to see this or find this. And as the FBI starts to kick over some of those stones, we could see some really ugly stuff.
- [58:14]
Clay Travis
Also, reportedly this assassin confessed in discourse. Yeah, that would suggest that he sees this group as profoundly connective tissue for him. And to your point, I wonder how much of the toxicity that we are seeing is emanating from these toxic people finding each other and driving each other to additional forms of radicalism by trying to normalize the hate that they are experiencing. Again, there's lots of hate on all sorts of social media sites, but I think there's a difference between public, that is what everybody can see, and private, which is taking place on these Discord chats. We'll talk about this. We'll play some of your talk backs when we return. But in the meantime, when your cell phone service with Pure Talk, you're getting the best price and quality service. Pure Talks coverage, same towers, networks, big carriers, but at a fraction of the price. My two oldest boys have pure talk phones for just 25 bucks a month. You can get unlimited talk, text, plenty of data on America's most dependable 5G network, and the average sized family of four can save up to a thousand dollars a year when they switch to Pure Talk. How much difference would an extra thousand dollars a year make at the end of the year for your family? As it comes up on Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's with Pure Talk's US Customer service team, you can also switch hassle free in as little as 10 minutes. You can keep your phone and your phone number and you can dial £250, say the keywords Clay and Buck to make the switch to save an additional 50 off your first month. Again, that's £250, say clay and Buck to start saving today. Pay for what you need while not paying for things you don't need. Pure Talk Wireless by Americans for Americans.
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Clay Travis
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