Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Sep 17 2025

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Daily Review with Clay and Buck — September 17, 2025

Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton take a deep dive into the biggest news stories dominating politics and current events. The main focus is the aftermath, reaction, and investigation into the assassination of Charlie Kirk. They analyze new information about the suspected shooter, media coverage, political violence, and the broader cultural and media environment. The hosts also break down financial news about Federal Reserve interest rate cuts and their effects on the economy, and discuss trends within political debate and media.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Charlie Kirk Assassination: Investigation and Reactions

(Starts ~02:18, deep dive begins 06:00 and continues throughout)

• Ongoing Investigation and New Details

  • Buck introduces new details: The alleged shooter, identified as Robinson, and recently released FBI texts between him and his trans-furry partner.
  • The hosts debate the authenticity and intent of his confession texts, questioning their logic and the suspect’s apparent intelligence.
  • Buck Sexton casts doubt on the validity of the narrative:

    "It's very strange also that we're told this guy is so smart, but that he lacks the technological sophistication to understand that they would see all of this stuff..." (14:04)

  • Clay Travis sums up their skepticism:

    "If all of this was true, would you text? Seems very strange not to call someone." (11:58)

• Media Reaction and “Creating a Narrative”

  • Buck and Clay criticize how some in the media, particularly ABC and CNN, seem to cast the shooter in a sympathetic light due to his identity and relationship.
  • Buck highlights this with an ABC report focusing on the “intimate” texts:

    "There’s a bizarre sympathy here on display from ABC." (31:39)

• Contextualizing Motivation: Ideology or Insanity?

  • The discussion focuses on whether the shooting was a product of political radicalization or individual madness.
  • Clay draws a parallel to past debates:

    "If you spend 10 years calling someone Hitler and calling someone a Nazi...the logical extension is, I’ve got to kill these people." (24:02)

  • Buck expands on comparisons to past forms of ideological violence, including Islamic extremism:

    "Having a coherent belief system that drives you to violence...especially one that's being amplified from the very top of the Democrat party..." (26:10)

  • The hosts repeatedly stress their belief that escalating, unchecked rhetoric can have real-world, deadly consequences.

• Political and Social Media Echo Chambers

  • Buck and Clay describe how mainstream media and social platforms shelter liberal audiences from conservative views, and vice versa.
  • Buck highlights this with a pointed observation:

    "They have no idea what we really say. And, I think, deep down they don’t want to get it." (45:18)

  • Clay advocates for more honest public debate:

    "How do we get arguments in front of persuadable voters...people who are willing to change their minds?" (44:35)

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2. Financial News: Interest Rate Cuts and Economic Outlook

(Begins 35:09)

• Federal Reserve Announcement

  • News of a 25 basis-point rate cut—the first since prior to the presidential election, with two more cuts projected.
  • Clay Travis explains the implications:
    • Easier borrowing
    • Possible refi boom for homeowners
    • Potential thaw in the frozen housing market
  • Clay contextualizes:

    "The housing market has been largely frozen. This is going to start to unfreeze it as these rate cuts come back in..." (37:54)

• Market Reaction

  • Stock indexes (S&P, NASDAQ, Dow) hit all-time highs.
  • They note differential media coverage: If Kamala Harris presided over this market, "CNN and MSNBC would run that all the time" (39:59).

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3. Media Coverage and Liberal Narrative Construction

(Throughout, specific at 41:11 and 53:18)

• Critique of Late Night and Mainstream Media

  • Discussion of Jimmy Kimmel’s commentary which claims right-wingers try to "characterize the kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them" (41:40).
  • Buck censures this as "despicable and mentally stupid" (41:45).
  • The hosts point out what they believe is a pattern of major media giving sympathetic coverage to left-leaning perpetrators.

• Echo Chambers and Debate Avoidance

  • Reference to a viral tweet: No leftist figures invite open debate like Charlie Kirk did.
  • Buck: "It's not just that Democrats don't accept that what Charlie Kirk was doing is the foundation of the First Amendment...They are unwilling themselves..."

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4. Political Violence & Its Justification

(Focus 25:47–33:04; 60:50–66:05)

• Comparisons to Past Violence

  • Clay and Buck compare the Kirk assassination to other forms of political and ideological violence, distinguishing targeted violence from random acts of madness.
  • They note the left’s willingness to label speech as "violence," creating a rationale for escalation:

    "...they buy into the fact that Trump is Hitler...the logical extension is, I've got to kill these people." (24:19)

  • They point out what they view as a disproportionate amount of political violence emerging from the left but being ignored or excused by media.

• Public Reaction and Celebration Among the Left

  • Clay is disturbed not just by the act itself but by the celebration and justification he sees on progressive social media:

    • “…tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands...have endorsed and celebrated the killing of Charlie Kirk.” (29:24)

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5. Call for Civil Debate and Rejecting Political Violence

(Cut from J.D. Vance, 56:45–57:21)

• J.D. Vance Statement

    > “Speak your mind. We reject political violence and we reject the crazy left wing radicals that gunned down our friend Charlie Kirk. Let's talk to one another and not try to shoot each other down for disagreeing.” (57:03)
  

  • Buck and Clay praise Vance's willingness to champion debate and freedom of speech.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Shooter’s Texts:

  • Buck Sexton (14:04):
    "It's very strange also that we're told this guy is so smart, but that he lacks the...sophistication to understand they would see all this stuff and ... if you're worried about leaving evidence behind, why would you write a confession online?"

• On Political Rhetoric Leading to Violence:

  • Clay Travis (24:19):
    "If you spend 10 years calling someone Hitler and calling someone a Nazi...The logical extension is, I've got to kill these people."

• On Media Sympathies:

  • Buck Sexton (31:39):
    "There's a bizarre sympathy here on display from ABC...as they shouldn't, there's a bizarre sympathy on display."

• On the State of Media Liberalism:

  • Buck Sexton (45:18):
    "They have no idea what we really think. They have no idea what we really say...and they prefer to be lied to."

• On Call for Open Debate:

  • Clay Travis (55:00):
    "That's why they don't have open public forums...when you argue leftist points, they look irrational compared to points on the right."

• On Insularity in Political Tribes:

  • Buck Sexton (47:37):
    "The left has created a toxic political ideology...infected the mainstream of their party, top-down. And, they don't want a clean house."

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Timestamps of Significant Segments

• Charlie Kirk assassination details/releases: 06:00–15:00
• Debate over shooter’s motives and intelligence: 07:44–14:59
• Media’s sympathetic portrayal of shooter: 31:39–33:04
• Controversy over political violence statistics (Morning Joe/Cato Institute): 60:50–63:20
• Federal reserve rate cuts & economic outlook: 35:09–41:11
• J.D. Vance's remarks on political violence and debate: 56:45–57:21

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Tone and Language

Clay and Buck maintain an energized, combative yet occasionally humorous tone, blending right-leaning skepticism with passionate calls for honest debate and a robust defense of free speech. They speak candidly, deploying sarcasm at left-leaning media and politicians, and express deep frustration at perceived media double standards and political violence justification.

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Concluding Themes

• The episode underscores a sense of crisis about rhetorical escalation and its deadly consequences, punctuated by calls for open debate and rejection of violence.
• The hosts express significant skepticism about the prevailing narratives offered by mainstream media, arguing that echo chambers, selective reporting, and outright misinformation are distorting the national conversation.
• Buck and Clay celebrate moments of genuine debate and mutual respect, point to positive economic signals, and issue strong warnings that, unless rhetorical and tribal excesses are dialed back, the nation may face more tragedies like the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

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Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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Also some of the reactions you're seeing, for example, late night TV show that the Democrats, the left are living in a fantasy world. Beyond that we have. Barack Obama has weighed in on this now. Yes, we'll discuss Obama making his first public remarks on Charlie Kirk's assassination and we'll see how I think Clay, some Democrats are starting to realize that they are looking too crazy and it's a threat to their power. I don't think that it is a problem for them ethically or morally so much because I just don't think the Democrat blob thinks in moral terms. It thinks in emotional mob mentality terms. But I do think they realize if they don't tone down the crazy a little bit, some of them realize this. Not, not all of them obviously, but I think they recognize the whole game, Clay, is people like Schumer and Pelosi are out there and Obama are out there trying to tell Democrat donors and more normie Democrats it gives them an excuse to continue to be Democrat because they say how crazy could it really be? Chuck Schumer's been in this game for, you know, 40 years. Nancy Pelosi's been in this game for like 100 years. You know, how could this. And they're really just what Joe Biden was as president, a facade for the radical leftism. They are a psychological Trojan horse or maybe a psychological pivot point for people because they allow them to think that their party is not radical. They allow them to convince themselves, oh, Democrats aren't really that crazy. So we will dive into some of that, some of that reaction. But I wanted to start with oh, and Clay had his Stephen, a debate yesterday. I was there. I did tell Clay, you know, watch, watch out for the left hook, you know, make, make sure that you go for the body. And Mr. Travis acquitted himself very well, I must say on stage. He did quite well. It was, I would say it was really just a friendly exchange, more of a conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And by the way, all due credit to Stephen A. For being both respectful and, you know, well, eloquent, clearly, but respectful and eloquent in the. In the exchange as well. So I wish there'd be more of this. I wish people of relatively similar standing. You know, you're a big name on the right and have a following in this show and an outkick. And Stephen A, you know, obviously has a big following at espn. You guys disagree on some stuff. You agree on some stuff. I wish this was much more common. So that's something we can talk about later. There's so few places now where. And in the aftermath of the Charlie assassination, it just feels like, where can we have these open forum debates and discussions? So we'll get into all of that. But first up here, Clay, I'm going to read this to you a little bit. And there's been some reaction to this in the news media as well that we will discuss. Do not worry. We. We read it. We read it all night and then all morning. And we're aware of what has been said by some about this exchange. So this is from the shooter, Robinson, to his trans furry roommate. Lover. I think that's the. I think that's an accurate transferry. Roommate, lover. I was looking for the word yesterday. I was like, paramore. Sounds like I'm, you know, writing a. You know, like a romance novel or something. So teen furry. Trans lover. And I'm sorry. Trans furry lover, whatever. You get what I'm saying? Here he is, Robinson. I am still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in Orem for a little while longer yet. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle. Still, to be honest, I hope to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you. You weren't the one who did it, right? The roommate says I am. I'm sorry, I thought they caught the person. No, they grabbed some crazy old dude. They interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of this side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering. Clay, your reaction to the. Let. Let's. Let's just start going through this, you know, piece by piece. What's your sense of this? This text exchange between the shooter and his lover?

[Clay Travis]

I think a lot of times this is the case. You play moron or intent. And this guy, according to reports, was very smart. Did fantastically well. 99th percentile on the actual. Got a scholarship to college. I would think that he would know that every text that he is going to send is going to be reviewed, admissible and used against him. So my first thought is, and this is just me being someone who's been involved in investigations before, if you truly had committed a murder like this and wanted to keep it secret, the worst thing you could do is text all of these things to anyone. You probably would at least make a phone call because you can always argue and lie about what was said in the phone call. And you'd be like, no, it didn't have anything to do with the Charlie Kirk situation. It seems very strange to me that your first thought would be to put in writing that you are responsible for this. So moron or intent is what I immediately come to.

[Buck Sexton]

So the, the roommate lover says, and again, I'm reading from these texts that have come out, the FBI has released these. Why Robinson? Why did I do it? Roommate. Yeah, I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence, going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it. Let's pause for a second here. Clay left no evidence is. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like this guy, he had prints all over the rifle. He left the rifle, left the rifle behind. You thought that the, that, that the FBI wouldn't find. I know he's this. I'm just saying he's supposed to be so smart. High, you know, high sat or act rather. He thought the FBI wouldn't find the hunting rifle that he used to kill this guy that he left at the scene. I mean, that's the one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

[Clay Travis]

I agree with all of that.

[Buck Sexton]

So again, to your point, something weird is going on.

[Clay Travis]

Moron or intentional text, I think is the question that you should have in your head.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, is he trying to establish a text based record of. Well, this person had no idea whatsoever. No idea that I was going to do this. I want to, you know, and it's interesting because I think there's a lot of inference here that at least the shooter was driven to do this at some level by his clear, I'm not, you know, he's having a sexual relationship with it with a trans transferry person. And so it's interesting that he would have done this but not told that person.

[Clay Travis]

Also that he would have done this, not told that person and decide to Tell them in text again. Wouldn't this be something that you would make a phone call about?

[Buck Sexton]

Totally. Totally. So I. I agree with you. We're reading this through to you, to all of you, so that you can know something doesn't add up here. Okay? Here you go. I've had enough of. We talked about this yesterday. Enough of his hatred. You're going to kill somebody because you don't like his words and you think he's the hateful one. And these people, they're insane. All right, roommate. How long have you been planning this? A bit over a week. I believe I can get close, but there is a squad car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it. So he was going to go back to the scene, Clay, and try to take this rifle. I wish I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I went to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back my grandpa's rifle. I don't know if it had a serial number. Obviously it does, but it would trace to me. I'm worried about prints. I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits. I didn't have the ability or time to bring it with. I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find Prince. But how will I explain losing this to my old man? I left the rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how I was engraving bullets? The messages. There's a lot of, you know, f words in here. I'm not going to read those. Obviously, the messages are mostly a big meme. If I see notices bulges on Fox News, I might have a stroke. All right, I'm going to leave it very. Why would you do this unless you were trying to create a narrative that you wanted to create? Right, Clay? I mean, that. Yes.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, I think the only reason to do this again, he's either a moron, and he believed there was no way to track text messages, and he believed that his lover was going to delete all these text messages and they would never be uncoverable, or he wanted there to be a record of all of these things to make it look like he was acting completely alone. So which is it? And look, sometimes people behave as morons. So I think you can make the argument, hey, he was a moron in the way that he acted in the wake of an assassination. What I come back to over and over again is if all of this was true, would you text? Seems very strange not to Call someone. And I understand some of you out there who have kids and grandkids may. The reality might be they don't talk on the phone as much as you or I might have. But wouldn't you FaceTime if you were going to.

[Buck Sexton]

Also, the way. Yeah, absolutely. But also the way that it's written strikes me as a little bit weird. Just that it feels very. It feels very formal. It feels like this is almost like a courtroom transcript. Do you know what I mean? Why did I do it? Well, I did it because I had. You know, there's. There's this. This isn't really how people certainly 20 somethings speak.

[Clay Travis]

It feels like he's making a record. And I think the most likely. So you ask me. So. And I'll get your reaction on this, too. My most likely take here is he's trying to make it look like he acted entirely on his own and nobody else was involved. And that is why he has been so direct in providing all of this information to the. To the FBI. There's also the possibility that a part of him wants credit, and this was his way to ensure that he got credit. Look, there are multiple different angles you could take on exactly why he did it. To me, the most likely is to try to make people think this was entirely me and nobody else was involved.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I think that that's certainly what makes sense. What we're seeing here doesn't make much sense to me. It's very strange also that we're told this guy is so smart, but that he lacks the. The technological sophistication to understand that they would see all of this stuff and that he like the notion. If you're worried. Here's my thing. If you're worried about leaving evidence behind, why would you write a confession online? This is.

[Clay Travis]

It doesn't. It doesn't. I don't want.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't want to leave the rifle, but I did it. Is what this guy. Literally. I mean, this is what this guy is doing here. I mean, clearly. Right. That's bizarre. So you have this pretense of. I think I. You know, the shooter thinks he can get away with this heinous crime, but he's also confessing online. And to your point, not even in a phone call. So there's either something funky going on here, or this kid is actually somehow a moron, even though he got good grades, which that wouldn't be the first time.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, it just doesn't add up.

[Buck Sexton]

It doesn't add up. It seems very intentional to create a narrative Here. And I would remind everybody of what. What was said yesterday by Cash Patel. And I was talking. You know what? Actually, Clay, can we come back to this? We need them to go online and see what's going on in these dark corners of discord and the Internet. FBI is doing that. Looks like FBI is using the jihadist counterterror playbook to go after these left wing tran tifa terrorist types. You know what, we can. We can discuss what the name will be, but I do think that they recognize that this is necessary and there's some. We're going to find out some really chilling stuff online from what's going on here. All right. Speaking of online cyber scammers, they're out there. They're all over the place. With the rise of AI, they're finding really creative ways of tricking you. The bad guys, unfortunately, are smart. They'll use AI to construct believable emails that will trick you into clicking a link. I get. Clay, do you ever get. I get these emails.

[Clay Travis]

I've got a bunch of these.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Asma Khalid]

I'm Asma Khalid in Washington, D.C. i'm.

[Clay Travis]

Tristan Redman in London and this is the Global story.

[Asma Khalid]

Every weekday we'll bring you a story from this intersection where the world and America meet.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

Come back in here to play and buck. We have been discussing the investigation into the assassination of Charlie Kirk and where things start. Stand right now. And Cash Patel was speaking earlier at the House Judiciary Committee. And yesterday I brought up that when I had done counterterrorism work years and years ago, they would go into these extremist chat rooms where people would, yes, they would share. This was all about Islamic terrorism, which I think you all know. They would share Koranic verses. They would say a lot of mean things about Americans and about Christians and about Jews, particularly about Jews. Now, that's not illegal. But sometimes they would then start to say, you know, maybe we should start to plan something, to put something together. And that's where the. The conversations turn to something actionable for law enforcement or at least further scrutiny. Perhaps you put it undercover in place, things like that. Right. So that, I think needs to happen. And that whole apparatus of tracking ideologically based violence, terrorism, same thing that needs to be a priority of the FBI. Because this guy, the shooter of Charlie Kirk, he did not do this in a vacuum. He had other people that shared his beliefs. He has a lot of people from very high up actually magnifying many of these beliefs. Just the fact that they use the term genocide to speak about trans people. Not that anyone's killing all the trans people, but they're erasing them because they're refusing to live in their delusion. And that is considered by the left a genocide. I mean, right, you think about the way just the tortured logic that is involved in all this. But here is Kash Patel speaking about what they're finding online already. This is cut 12, maybe most importantly, under the counterterrorism and domestic terrorism umbrella are nihilist violent extremists and those that label themselves 7, 6, 4, who wish to go online and convince children to maim and mutilate themselves and commit suicide. And we are producing record numbers of arrests under that umbrella organization. We even stopped an individual in the 764 network who wanted to conspire to kill an adolescent girl. He is now in custody. Clay, there are lunatics out there that believe in the same left wing as Cash said, nihilistic, violent extremism of the left. And this is going to be Something that we have to face up to and we have to defeat this movement.

[Clay Travis]

This is why I said, and I hate to say it, but I don't think this is going to end with Charlie Kirk. This guy believes he's a hero and he is willing to kill on behalf of, as this guy is and many other people, on behalf of the idea that Trump is Hitler, that we're all Nazis, that we're in a fascist dictatorship. And that's why I think the lies that are being told about this assassin on the left are so significant. They recognize that it is debilitating to their political arguments among normal people if they understand why this guy acted the way that he did. And I, I just, I don't even see this as being remotely complicated. And I know most of you agree with me. If you spend 10 years calling someone Hitler and calling someone a Nazi, and there are enough people that go down the rabbit hole here and are willing to buy into the argument that you're making, the logical extension is, I've got to kill these people. I mean, and this is, this is, was back in the day, we used to have this as kind of a ridiculous debate. But you would say, would you kill baby Hitler? Right? And people would say, oh, it's a baby. And you'd say, oh, but it's Hitler. And you know what he's going to do in World War II. And this was in the pre Trump era, you would have people kind of sitting around a dinner table or you'd have a beer at the bar and you're debating this. And these guys buy into the fact that Trump is Hitler. They buy into the fact that we're all Nazis. And, and frankly, they're sharing things that Charlie Kirk never said to create this cartoonish Hitler, like SS member criteria for Charlie Kirk. And it led to him getting killed. I, I, I just. The fact that there's not an acknowledgement of this now, saying individual people are responsible for the actions of others is more challenging, obviously. But people say, oh, well, there's violence on both sides. And what do they point to? They point to the Minnesota state legislature members who were killed. And then you saw that that guy had written a, a sort of manifesto, and it was clearly a crazy person. There was no logic behind it at all. The logic behind this guy's actions, while perverse, while awful, they actually add up. He believes words are violence. He believes Charlie Kirk was filled with hate, and he believes he is justified. This killer does to kill Charlie Kirk.

[Buck Sexton]

As a result, this is also bringing it into The Islamic terrorism context this is. They would justify the most heinous things imaginable by saying we are under assault. They meaning the West. And by the west, they mean they call us crusaders and Jews, right? For the US And Israel, Great Satan, little Satan, all of that. That because of the horrible things they have done to us, anything that we do to them is justified in retribution and to prevent more of what they're doing. So the jihadist philosophy was, if we go into a marketplace and we kill, you know, 50 people in some, in some country, even if we kill mostly Muslims, we, those Muslims will go to heaven. This is, by the way, this is straight out of their, straight out of their beliefs. And you know, trust me, we had cracked the code. We knew what they were texting and on their phones and everything else. The innocent Muslims that, that they kill go to heaven. Or if they weren't jihadists themselves, then they were going to hell anyway. And they're evil, so it doesn't matter. So the point is. And then if they killed some other people, right, you know, some Americans or then that's like bonus to them. They had an entirely coherent, in the sense that it followed. And it was an ideology that was widespread, that even had nation state support at that time, depending on which countries you're talking about. It wasn't just someone who was hearing crazy voices that said, go kill somebody. Like that happens too. That is a different thing, right? Having a coherent belief system that drives you to violence, especially one that's being amplified from the very top of the Democrat party in this country. If you're calling your opponents Nazis without basis, which is what they've been doing for over a decade, you are creating the grounds for somebody to feel justified in murdering any of those Nazis. That is what they have done. And they've created a monster. I mean, this is Dr. Frankenstein's monster. This is straight up what they have done.

[Clay Travis]

I think this is scarier than somebody being crazy. Two points. One, somebody who is crazy. There's always and unfortunately going to be a lot of crazy people. And they behave in ways that, that are completely illogical. For instance, someone who is in the midst of schizophrenia might attack and kill someone because they believe that there's some sort of evil spirit involved in another body or something like that. And you see it and you say, okay, that is someone in the grips of extreme mental.

[Buck Sexton]

What's the, what's the frequency, Kenneth? What's that story? Who's that?

[Clay Travis]

You know, I'm talking about REM Song.

[Buck Sexton]

No, no, no. There Was a. There was a guy who, who. Didn't he push somebody or something, you know, or. He was hearing voices? Was it Dan. Yes, it was. It was Dan Rather, right?

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Dan Rather was. I'm sorry, I'm trying to remember the stories I'm talking to. Dan Rather was assaulted by a guy who is screaming. What's the frequency, Kenneth? Yeah, that, that's, that's neither right nor left. That's a lunatic. Right? Truly, that is a lunatic.

[Clay Travis]

There are lots of people.

[Buck Sexton]

There's. There's no New York Times article saying if we don't find out the frequency from Kenneth. Yeah. You know, all hell is going to break loose.

[Clay Travis]

No. Yeah. So crazy people.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you, producer Mike, by the way. Everyone's looking at me like I was crazy. Yes.

[Clay Travis]

Crazy people behave in irrational fashions and trying to make sense of what they do is impossible. And attributing their decision making to any individuals is difficult to do. This guy responded in a coherent and rational way to the argument of Hitler and Nazis. Second part, Buck. And this is the scarier part to me, he's being celebrated. And we'll play some audio for you where they're trying to deny that this is happening. But tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people have gone on their Facebook Pages, Twitter pages, LinkedIn profiles, wherever you are, TikTok on social media, and they have endorsed and celebrated the killing of Charlie Kirk.

[Buck Sexton]

That reminds me, Clay, we talked about the text exchange, which we read, and it feels just the language, the whole thing feels stilted and weird. And also, I'm not saying this guy was obviously some kind of a criminal mastermind. He had no record before. But I just can't imagine someone is so dumb that they think they've left no evidence and then they're confessing online like I don't know what world. And also he thinks he's not going to be seen on video. He's caught on video many times, you know. Anyway, the. The text exchange is very strange to us for those reasons. ABC has a reporter named Matt Gutman. And I'm just going to let you all hear what this guy is, how this guy is describing the text exchange between the evil assassin and his transferry boyfriend, girlfriend situation. Ok, play it. We have seen an alleged murder with such specific text messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hidden, how.

[Clay Travis]

It was placed, what was on it. But also it was very touching in.

[Buck Sexton]

A way that I think many of us didn't expect. A very intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect.

[Clay Travis]

Himself, with him repeatedly calling his roommate.

[Buck Sexton]

Who was transitioning, calling him my love, and I want to protect you, my love. So it was this duality of someone.

[Clay Travis]

Who the attorney said not only jeopardized.

[Buck Sexton]

The life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but was doing it in front of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case. And on the other hand, he was, you know, speaking so lovingly about his partner. So a very interesting and as Pierre said, riveting press conference. Clay, do you think for one second any employee of abc, NBC, cbs, cnn, any of those news outlets would refer to a text exchange between the shooter of the, of the black church, you know, the mass shooter, black church in South Carolina, if he had texted his girlfriend sweet things in one of the exchanges where he was. Do you think that they would say that there was. Of course not. Right. There's a, there's a. As they shouldn't, there's a bizarre sympathy here on display from abc.

[Clay Travis]

Not only abc. I think we're going to play a clip from CNN last night where they're, they're trying to now turn this killer into a victim and say, oh, he was motivated by his deep love of his trans partner and he felt rejected by his family and Trump supporters. And so the only thing he could do was murder someone in cold blood. This is not someone who deserves in any way empathy or sympathy or respect. And unfortunately, when you are on the left and you are a killer, people lionize you. I mean, we didn't talk about it much, but down the street from where we are right now in New York City, there were people on the street celebrating when charges were dropped against Luigi Mangione yesterday. Now, I think dropping the charges was moronic, but again, I'm less troubled by one person making an awful decision than I am by the celebration of that person making the awful decision, which is the world in which we now live. And we'll play some of these cuts because I think it's important for you to understand what is being said about this, about this individual and the defenses that are out there for him when we come back. In fact, we'll play some of those cuts for you.

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[Clay Travis]

Well, first of all, the rates have been cut by 25 basis points. So a quarter point cut, the first in nine months. The first since right before the election when they tried to juice numbers for Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. But significantly, two more rate cuts, a total of 50 basis points expected, which would be nearly a full point overall in interest rates coming down. And some of you out there say okay, why is this significant stock market, by the way, setting another new all time high on this news? Borrowing costs just get way cheaper. So if for instance, you are out there and you're sitting on a 30 year mortgage or a 15 year mortgage, or you have been contemplating going into the housing market, you are going to get nearly, according to the Fed's forecast, a full point decline in interest rates between now and the end of the year. That makes all houses way more affordable. It would suggest that mortgage rates, which I believe are sitting on a 30 year and I don't have this open in front of me right now, but around 6.2% and the 15, that's a 30 year and the 15 year of 5.6% or thereabouts. I'll pull them up and give you the absolute latest numbers here in a sec. But that they would come down in theory if they moved in conjunction with these rate cuts that you're talking about around three quarters of a point of interest rates coming off before the end of the year. It would set up the possibility of refis, which is significant out there. For those of you who got 7 and a half or 8% interest because you had to buy at a certain time, it might also, as you start to come back down closer to 5% for some of these 15 and 30 year rates buck. It may also persuade some people. Let's say you're sitting on a 3% interest rate, 3 to 5. Some of you out there might say, okay, it's time to sell a home. We need a bigger house, we need a smaller house. Kids have gone off to college, we've had new kids, we want to move into a new school district. The housing market has been largely frozen. This is going to start to unfreeze it as these rate cuts come back in to reverse the rate spikes that were necessary because of Joe Biden's runaway inflation. So this is a very good thing. Stock market as we are reacting and sitting here, is up substantially. The market was happy with the guidance going forward and all stocks are setting new all time highs. So in your 401k all these things, the general consensus and trajectory is in a positive direction.

[Buck Sexton]

We told everybody from the beginning the Trump economy was going to be en fuego.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

And even when there was that moment because of tariffs where there was a little, a little blip, a little bit of panic, we were saying, and I give full credit to Clay because he's more, more vociferous about this, but he was saying buy the dip essentially or hold, don't either. Buy in if you want or hold, don't sell, don't sell, don't panic. And if you have, it's very straightforward. If you have bet on the Trump economy. There's a whole bunch of ways to do that as an individual. But if you have bet on the Trump economy, you have been very nicely rewarded so far for that. And doesn't that all, doesn't that all make sense? Of course Trump is going to come in and do things that move things in the right direction. Now, I understand there's still sensitivity to prices and prices remain high for things like not for gas comparatively, but for food. And obviously mortgage rates, mortgage rates are going to start to come down. That will be helpful refis. Remember, more cash in your pocket at the end of the month because you have the ability to refinance. And a lower rate means that you're more able to handle those higher grocery store prices. And you know, there's, there's a push pull effect here when things that, that put more cash into your pocket are going to be helpful with everywhere else where there's been a pinch. So I think that's, that's all very, very encouraging. But let's, let's dive in if we, if we can here too. And it's just one other note, I think, because there's such an expectation after Trump's first term that the economy was going to be just, just really strong that Trump doesn't get. If, if this were a Democrat president with this market move over the last year, I don't just mean today with the rate cut and what it's doing. I mean, over the last year, the first year of a term, we'd be hearing all the time about what a genius President Harris is in the economy. I mean, really, if Kamala Harris was presiding over what we're seeing right now, Clay, don't you think we'd be just constant Washington Post, New York Times stories about how brilliant she is? You never see that about Trump, of course.

[Clay Travis]

I will just point out as soon as the stock market turned, CNN and MSNBC stopped featuring it every day. Back in April, when the stock market was going down and when you had the announcements about the tariffs every day at the bottom of the screen, they had exactly where the stock market is. I'm telling you right now as we are watching real time, all time highs in the s and P500 just hit, NASDAQ just hit and the Dow Jones all hit record highs. If that were happening with Kamala Harris, it would be the major banner that MSNBC was running all the time, that CNN was running all the time. And I understand people who say, well, the stock market does not perfectly reflect what the Overall economy is a lot of truth to that. But usually the stock market runs about six months ahead of where the existing market is. That's where it's trading. So traders now are saying, hey, this economy is going to be firing on all cylinders by the time we get into the spring and the summer of next year. And that is what they are. That's what they're working towards. So all this is very good news.

[Buck Sexton]

Now I think we had alluded to this before, we might have teed this up before I did want us to talk about it a bit. So Jimmy Kimmel is on abc. He's the late night host there. And I find him to be the most odious of those late night Colbert. It is a toss up. A Colbert show got canceled. So at least there's some justice there. You have to hear. Now Kimmel still has, well, I don't know if he still has even a couple million people to watch the show. A million and change. I don't know.

[Clay Travis]

Good question. I don't know.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not sure what late night viewership is. It's not. It's nowhere near what it used to be.

[Clay Travis]

Nowhere near Gutfeld.

[Buck Sexton]

Nowhere near Gutfeld. So here's Jimmy Kimmel saying, well, just listen to what he says. Play 20. We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. That's a. As one of them. That is despicable and mentally stupid. False thing to say. And I don't know what's worse. He's intelligent enough to recognize the falsehood and he peddles it to his audience anyway. Clay or this is somebody who people are told to laugh and clap for as part of some corporate media entity. And he is, he is honestly operating with about an 85 IQ.

[Clay Travis]

This is where I think it's challenging. There was a calculated attempt on the left to try to make it appear that this person who killed Charlie Kirk was of the right. And so if you are someone who follows leftist media, New York Times, Washington Post, cnn, msnbc, abc, NBC, cbs, basically anything but FOX News, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post. Obviously this program, you do not get a full picture of what the news is. Now we've played you audio from CNN and msnbc. There is an intentional desire to try to avoid recognizing what motivated this attack. And I hope that in the wake of the announced indictment, which makes that argument virtually impossible to make anymore. I, I, I just wonder how much of an experience of the whole world you have, you and I. When you saw Charlie Kirk first, we were live on the air last week, one week ago today, about this time, I could see in your face something really bad happened. I didn't know because we're constantly on our phones hitting refresh, making sure that we're on top of the latest news for all of you. I knew something was bad. I didn't know what it was. But you and I, off air immediately knew this. Is someone killing Charlie Kirk because they hate him?

[Buck Sexton]

Of course not.

[Clay Travis]

Complicated. You and I experience a wide variety of media. I think we understand the full scope of arguments that people in media might make. I don't think very many people on the left do. I think they marinate in blue sky. I think they're on Reddit forums. I don't think they see the arguments that people like you and me make. And this is one reason I wanted to do the Stephen A thing because I think all the time about how do we get better arguments. Charlie Kirk certainly thought about this a lot. How do we get arguments in front of persuadable voters, people who are willing to change their minds?

[Buck Sexton]

The Stephen A discussion that happened showed that he has some familiarity with and even some agreement with right wing arguments.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Which is, which is heartening. It's encouraging because a lot of what you see are people on the left who have you and I. I could do this show as a leftist and I kind of want to like for April Fools one day, just come on. Although I think people wouldn't necessarily.

[Clay Travis]

Rush did this producer Ali talked about back in the day, we were talking about this off air. He pretended to be a big Bill Clinton supporter for What Ali like 20 minutes? Or was it a full hour? She's going to look up how long it went on. People lost their mind.

[Buck Sexton]

You guys have to find that. You know what? Refresh my memory. Pull that clip for us if you can. And I want, I want to you.

[Clay Travis]

And I sit in and do the whole Rachel Maddow.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh my gosh. I could sit here with some big framed glasses and a man bun and a perhaps futurist female T shirt and some sandals with socks. And I could sit here and talk about the patriarchy and white supremacy and I could make all of their arguments. In fact, you and I could sit here in advance, as long as we knew the topic in advance of like a Anderson Cooper or Maddow or any of those names doing a show. And we could say what their position is going to be on that we knew they were going to do both sides ism as soon as they finish. So we have familiarity with the other side. One of the problems that is so clear on the left and by the way, there's data that shows this as well. They have no idea what we really think. They have no idea what we really say. And we meeting, Clay and me, but also more broadly, the right, they just don't get it. And I think they, deep down they don't want to get it. They, they prefer to be lied to. And that's what you see going on right now. And that's why Kimmel told that lie. By the way, what you're telling me is that, Jim, Jimmy Kimmel is an incurious moron. Like that's. There's only two options here. He's an incurious moron or he's just a vile propagandist. So I'll accept that he's an incurious moron. But some of these things, the assassination and assassination of Charlie Kirk, it's so clear what the motivation was the second that it happened because he's Charlie Kirk. This reminds me of when we're all supposed to think that the, that the COVID virus appearing next to the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China was a coincident where they were playing around with COVID viruses. It's a big planet, everybody. You know, the virus didn't appear suddenly in Mozambique or Bulgaria. It, it appeared next to the facility where they were doing this first. Right. We were to believe that was a coincidence. Now they're going to tell us that we can't tell what the motive is with Charlie Kirk. Of course we know that. We know the motive right away. It couldn't be any more clear. It's. This is not hard. But they would rather lie to themselves and lie to each other than handle the reality, which is that the left has created a toxic political ideology that has infected the mainstream of their party, top down. And, and they don't want a clean house. And I think that this is, like I said, a clarifying moment for the country about who stands for what.

[Clay Travis]

And as long as they don't acknowledge this inside of their party, the sad and scary and unfortunate reality is, and this is what we've been saying for some time, there's going to be more Charlie Kirks because these people think they're heroes and they're not being shouted down. Now we haven't seen this.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't interrupt you but look at the Luigi situation. Yeah, this guy just murdered a guy. Do you know what happened at UnitedHealthcare in response to this? Nothing except for corporate security needs went up. They've got a CEO who's still running this business. And this also goes to the babyishness, the crybaby ishness of all these socialists and leftist clay. They're all it should be free. It should be free. Why isn't everything free? Or why isn't someone else paying for my stuff? Because it doesn't work that way.

[Clay Travis]

We haven't played this yet. I'm curious to hear this audio. Barack Obama evidently weighed in outside of the social media arena. Do you want to hear. Do you want to hold this first time? No, I'm saying we'll play it here in a little bit. I'm curious to hear what he had to say. Say we've got the audio for you. No matter where you live, there's always the chance you become a victim of a home robbery. Stats show there are two home break ins every minute on average. You want to be able to protect yourself and your family with the right self protection tools. And you can get them from our sponsor, Saber. Saber is the number one pepper spray brand trusted by law enforcement. In our house we've likely got every one of these products including sabers pepper spray gel projectiles. They've been at this for 50 years. Family owned Sabre is spelled S A B r e website saberradio.com their pepper gel projectile launcher shaped like a pistol or a rifle depending on the model, fires off a pepper gel projectile targeted goes a longer distance than you might think, making it effective against an intruder. Decide today what you need to help make your home safer. Non lethal. Family owned. We've got every one of these products. You're gonna love them. Saberradio.com that's 844-824-SAFE 844-824-S a f e.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

He's running. Gavin Newsom is calling on Democrats to do more outreach like Charlie Kirk. We've known this all along. Gavin Newsom is the, in my view, current standard bearer of the Republican party with the most serious claim to the Democrat leadership and therefore becoming the next nominee for the Democrat party. And I think that's very likely to be the case. I want to give credit to who put this out on Twitter because he got an Elon retweet so it's now gone. Very Ben Scalan I don't see from Ireland. I don't know this guy is this is on X but I like to credit people when I can for their thoughts. Ben Scalan, he is a senior.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Irish journalist and commentator. He writes note, there's not one prominent leftist anywhere in the west, not just America doing what Charlie Kirk did. That is issuing an open debate challenge to all comers and saying here's my view, I invite you to try and prove me wrong. None of them are willing to subject their views to that scrutiny. That Clay, is a critical point and it's something that I think is overlooked here. It's not just that Democrats don't, don't, you know, accept that Charlie, what Charlie Kirk was doing is the foundation of the First Amendment and everything else they are unwilling themselves because I think a lot of them, the smarter ones know they will lose. Yes, they have to lose on women can have penises. Like they will lose on climate change is an existential threat. Like they will lose on these issues that are like religious fervor issues for them.

[Clay Travis]

That's why they don't have open public forums. And that's why I was saying Gavin Newsom got exposed by Ron DeSantis. The point of Charlie's events was that when you argue leftist points, they look irrational compared to points on the right. And the flip side would be true. Which is why I was saying there is no left wing version of Charlie Kirk. Because to your point, Buck, it would be somebody like you or me, a younger version of us, 20 year old clay or Buck walking up to a mic and saying to left wing Charlie Kirk, how can you say that it's fair for a grown man to decide to identify as a woman and win a women's sports championship that you can argue that it is? Well, there are real women. There is no biological impact. But you end up remember when Neil DeGrasse Tyson said that. And we came on and we played that audio and we said, this guy is supposed to be one of the most brilliant scientists in the entire world. And he went on because of left wing orthodoxy and said, do we really know that men would be better athletes than women? I don't know.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I do know that. We do know, Mr. Science. We do know.

[Clay Travis]

But he got ridiculed for that take. It was him choosing politics and orthodoxy over science. And I think what you would see if somebody had an open forum from the left wing perspective is it would absolutely ridicule those perspectives. By the way, credit to J.D. vance. This. We told you we were monitoring the speech that he was giving. He just said this, which echoes much of what we've said for the last week. Cut 38. And I would like to think that.

[Buck Sexton]

Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican.

[Clay Travis]

This basic idea of young people gathering to discuss and debate, that is the.

[Buck Sexton]

Thing that we cannot let pass away just because the leader of Turning Points USA was gunned down by an assassin. And I want to let you know that whether you're a Democrat or Republican.

[Clay Travis]

Whatever your belief is, I will fight.

[Buck Sexton]

For your right to serve.

[Clay Travis]

Speak your mind. We reject political violence and we reject the crazy left wing radicals that gunned.

[Buck Sexton]

Down our friend Charlie Kirk. Let's talk to one another and not.

[Clay Travis]

Try to shoot each other down for disagreeing.

[Buck Sexton]

Isn't it nice to have a vice president who is incredibly eloquent, intelligent and forceful on the issues and just gets it? You know, honestly, it's. It's something that I think we almost take a little bit for granted right now. But JD's. JD is a political star in his own right. Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

And a super smart guy, to your point. And off air we were saying this, and increasingly I think it's actually very likely. A part of me feels like maybe sometime after the midterms, if things continue to go well, that we're going to see J.D. vance and Marco Rubio announce a unity ticket. Hey, we don't need to spend 300, 500 million dollars on a primary. Let's put all of our resources behind this. Let's let the Democrats fight and let's go ahead and know who our guys are going to be going forward. I'm not 100% sure it happens, but I think there's increasingly a lot of momentum there.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, and you think about the names that would also consider being Republican contenders in the next election cycle, which is not far away. Everybody, this is the thing we have to keep reminding ourselves, it's, it's, you know, in two years, we're going to be talking about. About who the. Who the nominee will be and all that.

[Clay Travis]

Fifteen months, as soon as the midterms in next fuck, everybody's going to start to announce.

[Buck Sexton]

That's right. So it's going to come pretty quickly. And I would just say everybody, though, who's in that conversation, I think, knows that they would also be welcome in a. JD Vance, Marco Rubio, and I'm, you know, however they would do that, welcome in that administration. So I think all of the big names know that there's. There's a place for them. If that were to be the ticket. Look, we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves with that. But back to what JD Said there. Here is my frustration, Clay. And I know that J.D. agrees with this. Him saying this is a good thing. It's the right thing to say. Defending the right to say things without fear of violence in this country is critical, is essential. Our team isn't the team that needs to hear it. You know, this is. This is the issue. Our people will say this all day long because that's how we think. You know, and this is always across the board, too. We don't chase politics. And when I say we, I'm talking about people on the right in any numbers, with any support of people who are ideologically aligned or ideologically similar. We don't agree with lying down to block traffic. We don't agree with yelling at people in front of their families or just in general while they're trying to have a dinner, you know, yelling at politicians. You know, we don't agree with, you know, throwing riots that burn down or destroy neighborhoods or loot stores when we're unhappy. Like you go down this list of things. This could not be. This could not be more clear, but Morning Joe, your boy Morning Joe, or as. As, as Mr. Mark Levin calls him Morning Schmo, which I think is quite apt, I must say. Morning Joe says this. This is cut 26. Sorry I didn't give you much advance notice on this one, but there we go. We got it. United States, the Vice President, Stephen Miller, the Attorney General, have been saying things that have been extraordinarily divisive and as we said yesterday with the vice president, sadly, just not true. When. When he says that most of the violence comes from the left, I can say this is somebody in the center. No, it doesn't the case. Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank funded by the Koch brothers and Run in part by people in association with the Koch brothers, have put out studies showing.

[Clay Travis]

The overwhelming amount of political violence in.

[Buck Sexton]

America has in fact come from the far right. This is delusional. First of all, no one on the right takes the Cato Institute seriously. I'm just going to say this right now, okay? They're a bunch of open borders loons. And I don't, I don't care what Cato has to say about anything. You know, that's, that's part one. That's just reality. Part two is this just goes against everything that we see, everything we know. And like I said, I've seen them play this game before. I, Clay, I was on CNN in the era when we were having the San Bernardino terror attack, the Pulse nightclub terror attack. The, you know, you go down the list of all these different. The guy who drove his car on the west side highway and mowed down a bunch of all these jihadist terror attacks happening over and over and over again. And then they would put me on and they'd say, well, look at this. You know, here's some data that shows that there's more right wing terrorism than left wing terrorism. And they would include things like someone saying something mean to a minority on a subway car. Oh, it's like right wing violence. I mean, they, it's just not reality.

[Clay Travis]

Can you think of any? I mean, I, I just for all of you out there, I mean, you had the crazy. I think it's 1 billion percent. The guy in Minnesota, I read his manifesto. I mean, he's schizophrenic. He's. I mean, there's some sort of.

[Buck Sexton]

Tried to do this with the guy who shot Gabby Giffords, who's just. He is like the. What's the frequency Kenneth guy. He's a psycho. A psycho that isn't latching on to a clear ideology with institutional support from real edifices in our society.

[Clay Travis]

I can't even think of one now. They're going to say, oh, Gretchen Whitmer, first of all, nothing really happened there and it seems to be primarily an entrapped situation. But if you just run through, in, in recent history, obviously what happened to Charlie. If you think about what happened in Minneapolis at the school shooting, the trans shooter. If you think about what happened in Nashville with the trans shooter, are there lots of violent people in America? Yes. Are they far too often violent? Yes. But what? Political violence motivated by someone from the right. Now, I'll tell you what they did probably was they counted every charge brought on January 6th hey, this trespassing charge, hey, this. This misdemeanor that was pled guilty to. And they rolled all those together. But as you've pointed out, the only person who died on that day was actually unarmed and shot and killed. Otherwise, there was no actual substantial.

[Buck Sexton]

Killed. Killed in an act of violence. There are people that had a heart attack a couple days later and things like that.

[Clay Travis]

Ashley Babbitt, they try to. Six cops died. They don't actually give you the details.

[Buck Sexton]

But, I mean, here's an example. I remember the first Trump administration. There was this. There was this movement of lunatics. They chased Ted Cruz in a restaurant in D.C. and they were screaming at him. And to that restaurant's credit, actually, they like, were totally had Ted's back and said you were welcome back here. Those scumbags, you know, are not. Will be. There are other times, though, where Sarah Huckabee Sanders, she was at a restaurant in Virginia. I remember this. And they. And the restaurant owner was like, that's right. I'm with these lunatics who are shouting at you like, sorry, you know, you.

[Clay Travis]

Stand in Lexington, Virginia, yet.

[Buck Sexton]

There you go. Yeah. So did that happen under the Biden years when the restaurants were open because we, you know, Covid.

[Clay Travis]

How about Maxine Water saying, get in everybody's face, which helped to motivate the fact that that was occurring. How about Chuck Schumer saying, be careful. Basically, out in front of the Supreme Court, they tried to kill Brett Kavanaugh. I know everybody just pretends that didn't happen. The shooting of Steve Scalise and others after the shooter said, are those Republicans or not? While they were preparing for the softball.

[Buck Sexton]

Game to the point that was made by that Irish guy. This is why they can't have these debates in public. If Morning Joe tried to have this discussion on Morning Joe with you or with me, they would be eviscerated on their own show on tv. They would get smoked, okay? They would get smoked, and they know it. And so instead of saying, maybe our ideas are bad, maybe our arguments are weak, they just retreat further into an echo chamber where they create an audience that is emotionally unstable and can only hear what they want to hear because they cannot present them with the truth because then they'll go somewhere else, right? It turns into a competition for the lowest common denominator. They'll listen to some other lunatic out there who will try to justify these things. And you'll notice also, and this is true of the Charlie situation in really stark terms, but you've seen this with A lot of other times, too, they'll say things like, you know, Charlie was a white supremacist. And you sit there, I mean, and put us at the obvious things like Candace was one of his first, you know, stars within Turning Point, and they had a very close friendship. And there's a lot of things you could say right away that would dismantle this. But, okay, what's the racist thing that Charlie Kirk said? That we shouldn't have affirmative action, that it demeans people who. The Supreme Court agrees with that. So if now you're beyond the pale, if now there are going to be people who justify violence against you because you take positions that the United States Supreme Court has ratified, where does that leave us, Clay, as a society? Where are we? That's so. So the law of the land of the Supreme Court, of the Constitution is so radical to the left that you're allowed to be a target. I actually think that is where we are.

[Clay Travis]

I think one of the real questions that's out there in the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination is Elon Musk buying Twitter? Is that connected to the rise of Turning Point where Charlie's videos were able to go more viral? TikTok, we've got a potential purchase that's taking place by Oracle. Larry Ellison. We've read for you the apology, basically that came from Comcast after the way they covered the Charlie Kirk assassination. Are there enough people in power that are now embarrassed by the arguments of the left such that they start to get shouted down from within their own corridors? That's the question. I think that that remains. We'll take some of your calls. We'll take some of your talk backs to close out the Wednesday edition of the program. The next segment. In the meantime, it's football season and tomorrow I'm hopefully going to win you some money with prize picks. You can play in California, Georgia, Texas, all over the country. 40 plus states, including my home state of Tennessee. Use my name. Clay. You get $50 when you sign up at prizepix.com code clay. That's $50 when you play. Five dollars. It's fun, it's easy. All you have to do is pick more or less on your favorite athletes in your favorite sport. It makes the game a little bit more fun than it otherwise would be and you will love it, I promise. Go to prizepix.com Code Clay that is prizepix.com Code clay. To get hooked up today, keep up with the biggest political comeback in world history on the Team 47 podcast. Clay and buck Highlight Trump replays from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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