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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Welcome in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show, Thursday edition of the program. We hope all of you are having fantastic starts to your day so far, and we hopefully are going to make it a little bit better as we roll through the Thursday edition of this program. Let's jump right into it. Peter Navarro, by the way, going to join us in the third hour of the program about going to prison. Timing on that, interesting, given everything that's going on in the climate as it pertains to criminal investigations and the political sort of universe that is surrounding all of those. But we began with news that hit last night as I was in the process of flying back home. I'm texting with Buck. We first hear that there is going to be some of these different affiliate stations that carry the Jimmy Kimmel show on ABC that are refusing to carry it. Um, and maybe let me take a step back. For those of you who have not been following this story. Let me kind of lay it out for you, uh, on Monday, and you can correct me if I get any of these facts wrong, Buck. On Monday, Jimmy Kimmel made a joke. Uh, and really it was more of the comment that preceded the joke that was the controversy. And I want to play that for you. That is now, I believe, cut number 26. This happened on Monday's Jimmy. Jimmy Kimmel Show. Listen, we hit some new lows over.
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Buck Sexton
The weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.
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Clay Travis
Okay, so that was not actually a joke. That was a comment that suggested that the assassin was actually one of us, that is a Trump supporter, that is someone who voted for Trump. That, of course, was not true, and there was quite a lot of evidence that it was not true on. By Monday afternoon evening, when that show would have been taped. Uh, there was then, I believe, the show aired on Tuesday. There was no reference to it, to that joke, to that commentary. It then grew in intensity during Tuesday and last night. They said, Jimmy Kimmel's not gonna air. Now, the pressure, it appears, came from two different affiliate networks. And let me explain how this exactly works, because I, I don't think most people understand this. I live in Nashville. My local ABC affiliate is owned by nexstar that is, it's not owned by Disney. It is basically licensing ABC content. But it is a locally owned Nashville, for instance, where I live station Sinclair is another company that owns many different ABC affiliates. These are very big companies that own multiple different networks across the political across the country. And last night on my ABC affiliate, because I flipped it over, the guide said it would air Celebrity Family Feud in the place of Jimmy Kimmel. Instead, they aired News Nation, which is also owned by nexstar. So I thought that was interesting. Just I presume their nightly news content.
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Buck Sexton
I am a friend of Leland Vittertz, I think I could say, or he's a friend of mine. And so I will do his show sometimes on News Nation because, you know, Leland's a good guy and we may have him on the show soon to talk about his book. But he's a News Nation host, so there you go.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, so. So I flipped it over and that's what was on. There are a variety of different reactions now that are across the political spectrum. I don't believe, unless it's happened in the last 15 minutes that Jimmy Kimmel has officially been fired. But there is no return date so far or any certainty that he will ever come back. It could be like Stephen Colbert, which CBS announced they were going to be canceling. Now, in addition, that's the background and I think I got all that right. Buck, you can correct me if if there's any details that you think are facts that you think we need to add into the equation here. I just want to make sure all of you are well informed and understand all the background. The commissioner of the fcc, Brendan Carr, who we have had on the program quite often weighed in yesterday about the fact that the broadcast licenses, I.e. aBC, CBS, NBC are actually just that, they're licenses and they are required to try and be down the middle of the road when it comes to their news telecast, when it comes to their broadcast overall, in other words, because that is government spectrum. Unlike cable, which can be as partisan as theoretically it wants. To a large extent, your broadcast networks, abc, CBS and NBC are being given the ability to broadcast on publicly owned spectrum. And as a part of that, they have obligations of fairness. With that in context, Disney basically decided with nexstar and Sinclair putting out public comments and we'll read some of those for you, that they were not going to be airing the Jimmy Kimmel show. There is no set return date. It is now turned into Jimmy Kimmel is seen as a martyr for free speech on the left and those on the right are pointing out that this is consequence culture, not cancel culture. I think I'm kind of summing up that argument. Here's what I would say to you, Buck, as we begin now, having laid all those parameters out, Roseanne Barr had the number one show in America other than football. So obviously I'm talking about a scripted television show. More people were watching the Roseanne show, whatever it was called. She made a joke on Twitter and Barack Obama and Michelle Obama, according to her, among many other prominent left wingers, called Bob Iger, the CEO of Disney, and he fired Roseanne on the spot. They wrote her off the show and had her die of a drug overdose. I think some of you will remember, I think the show was called the Conners and. And that was the end of her sitcom career. At least in that show, we also had Gina Carano, who was one of the stars of the Mandalorian, which at the time was the most popular Disney plus streaming show out there. She shared social media posts that were considered to be unacceptable by those on the left. Disney fired her. Not one word fired from anyone on the left. When both of those firings happen based on a tweet, based on social media posts, and now suddenly Jimmy Kimmel is the cause celeb of everyone on the left here. So I would point out that when you create a culture where someone can be fired when they say something that is considered offensive, you have created the standards by which your own stars can also be fired. And to me, if you didn't say a word about Roseanne and you didn't say a word about Gina Carano, I don't understand how you think you have the moral high horse or legitimacy to suddenly ride in and say, oh, my goodness, look at what they're doing to Jimmy Kimmel. So that's my take. Buck, what's your thoughts?
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Buck Sexton
We've got a couple minutes here, so I'll give you a quick. I knew you were fired up. Uh, I'll give you a quick. A quick and dirty clay, because I think you're going to want to dive on into this one, too. All of those cases, all of those instances are very important lead up and context to understand why so many people on the right feel the way they do right now. Which is the funniest thing that has involved Jimmy Kimmel in a long time is him getting ganked off the air. Okay. Like, I think this is hilarious. I have no sympathy for him at all. He's not a First amendment martyr. And there's a. And you established much of why that is. I would add to it, though, where were all of these people right now? And we'll play some of their voices.
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Clay Travis
Like Brian Stelter's, like, oh, my gosh, it's DEFCON 1. Yes, it's DEFCON 1 for free speech.
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Buck Sexton
Man, that guy needs some chalk. But, you know, they're trying to make this big, this big case about how this is a violation of the First Amendment. Well, where were they during COVID when people like you and me were having social media platforms shut us down, penalize us, demonetize us, and all the rest at government direction, the government was directing them to do this. The government was singling out, we could have Alex Berenson on his. You know, his hair would be on fire talking about this. The government was by name. Biden's administration was by account saying, silence this person. Take them off. And this is. And remember, people, this is a lot of people make, you know, their living by being able to share their thoughts on social media, tell people about their. Their content, their substack, their podcasts, whatever it is. So there's clear monetary. Monetary damage. And I saw you tweet about this, Clay. The Supreme Court In June of 2024, 6, 3, got this one terribly wrong. Totally wrong. Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett completely screwed this one up because they. I, you know, they didn't want to get all rough with the Biden administration. Oh, no. And they essentially said that there was. And this is a very brief overview from when I did a quick scan of it again this morning, the case. But essentially they said that the. That. What was it? Missouri, I think, was one of them that brought the case, lacked standing, couldn't prove that there would be future instances of this kind of censorship. Couldn't prove that the government urging necessarily resulted in the suppression, and basically just washed their hands of it. Now, I think they got it wrong. But, Clay, that's the law of the landlord. The Supreme Court said, unless you can prove the government took an action because of. Or, sorry, the private company took an action because of. Of a government action itself, the government just saying something to a private company is not enough on its own for you to be able to claim some big First Amendment infringement.
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Clay Travis
So these are the rules.
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Buck Sexton
Deal with it, libs, deal with it.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, and that, by the way, Supreme Court decision is wrong in my opinion, because the most important pre. I would say, of many important aspects of the First Amendment, and I'm synthesizing and simplifying here, is the government can't ask a private actor to do what it could not do, because otherwise there is no purpose of the government restriction. So the government can't say to a private company, hey, go censor that guy or that gal, because the government itself could not do it. That's basically all they did with social media. They went to Facebook and they threatened Facebook and they threatened social media companies. If you don't either censor, take down these comments, or restrict their sharing, there will be consequences for your business. They even said it publicly, and the Supreme Court said, six, three. That's okay. Now, on the Jimmy Kimmel front, I think this is such an important aspect of this story. We have created a world where you can be fired no matter how much or how long you've been doing a thing of creative work in the larger public. If somebody that is powerful enough or a group of people are powerful enough to have seen what you tweeted, what you posted, what we said on this show is you all who listen to Rush know Rush was one of the initial targets of Cancel Culture. And I just think that's wrong. And some people are going to get mad at me. I am one of the few who was defending Roseanne, was defending Gina Carano, was defending Rush. And I don't think, I think you could fire Jimmy Kimmel if you think he's not good for Disney. That's how all businesses work. I personally don't like the idea that he said something, even if I think it's wrong. And that is going to be the action that suddenly he's no longer employable. And by the way, I've been saying this for a long time. I said it when Bill Maher got fired off Politically Incorrect for what he said about the 911 terrorists. I. But this is profoundly, by and large, created by the left, and they are now bearing the consequences of the culture that they created. And I understand why other people out there are like, hey, good riddance. You made this, you made your bed, now lie in it.
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Buck Sexton
It's really just about a power shift. And the power dynamics have changed. They don't have the power to just crush their opponents over issues like this anymore. And in fact, the Trump movement has taken a lot of that power into their own hands. So shoe is on the other foot as far as I'm concerned. There's no principle that they're operating on here. Just don't ever forget that. Look, no matter how safe you think your neighborhood is, there's always a chance you'll be a victim of a home invasion, a burglary. It happens about twice a minute nationwide. You want to have the right tools to defend yourself and protect your family until the cops can show up. And that's where products from Sabre come in. You can go big with their pepper spray projectile launchers. In fact, there's a bundle that you can get right now when you go to saberradio.com, a special bundle picked out that has everything you need including practice projectiles which you can just take into your backyard. By the way. You don't have to go to a gun range with these. You can do this all in your own yard, in your own space. Saber Pepper projectile launchers are the best in the game and they will stop the threat. Plus for just keeping your pocket pepper sprays and pepper gels. Sabers the number one pepper spray brand trusted by law enforcement. This is a company that Clay and I both trust to protect our families with the best non lethal self protection tools out there. Look, as you know, I'm a force escalation guy. I got a lot of lethal stuff at home too. I got a lot of edge weapons and a lot of firearms, but I believe in having non. Lethals. My wife particularly likes having non lethals. So add this to yours home your home defense toolkit. Go to sabrerradio.com that's S A B R E radio.com you'll save 15% there. That's Sabre Radio S A B R E dot com or call 844-824 safe 844-824 safe.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
We are joined now by our friend Eric Trump. He is, of course one of President Trump's sons, a guy I've known since we were both in grade school. And he's doing amazing things running the Trump Organization, as you all know. He's also got a new book out, Under Siege, My Family's Fight to Save Our Nation. And a portion of the proceeds will go to Turning Point USA to help continue Charlie Kirk's mission. Eric, thanks for making the time for us, guys.
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Eric Trump
It's great to be back on.
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Buck Sexton
Talk to us if you would for a second here about the. Because we just, we have to dive into this news of the day. I think it hit everybody like, I don't know if it was that much of a surprise given what, what a jerk he's been lately. But what's your take on, on the Kimmel indefinite suspension?
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Eric Trump
Listen, the guy has been a jerk. He hasn't been funny. But honestly, I think the network uses a way to get him out based on bad ratings. I mean, look at what the ratings are on ABC and NBC and CBS right now, relative to call it some of the other shows, even the cable shows, right? Look at my wife, look at Laura. I mean, her show's getting 2.6, 2.8 million people, you know, on a Saturday night. And you look at CNN during the week and if they can pull 5, 6, 700,000 people, it's like, you know, they're doing great for themselves, right? So it clearly shows that the content is not working. People are no longer amused. It's not funny to make fun of 31 year old kids who are getting assassinated on any soil, certainly not US soil, especially somebody who is as beloved as our friend Charlie. And I'm glad they got rid of this jerk.
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Clay Travis
Eric, where were you when you found out about what happened to Charlie Kirk last week? And what was your immediate reaction? Because you've got young kids like he does and like Buck does and my kids are getting a little bit older, but you travel around, you do a lot of public events, so does your wife. What was your reaction when you saw that?
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Eric Trump
You know, honestly guys, I hate to say it, but it's like deja vu to Butler, right? I mean, I walked into my office, my, my sister came running up to me, literally grabbed me. She goes, you know, Charlie shot. And it looks like Charlie's dead. I mean, it was right after and obviously at that point it was making its round on social media. And you know, I, you know, you look at the movement of the body and you knew it was devastating. And you know me, I've competed in all the shooting sports my entire life. You know, you could, you could tell it was a high power rifle. I could tell instantly that was a high power rifle just by the sound of the shot. And my heart sank. I mean, you know, Charlie was a friend. I've been on the stage with him 100 times as you guys have you know, we've done a lot of events together over the last 10 years. And, you know, I've stood on that same stage a thousand times myself, you know, in swing states all across the country. And there are. There were times leading up to elections where we're doing five, six events like that a day, all over every victory office, every factory standing on top of John Deere tractors with a bullhorn. And, I mean, my heart sunk. A young guy who created one of the greatest political movements in this country, who changed the entire youth vote in the United States, and they thought they could get rid of some guy's voice by using a bullet to expunge somebody's life. And honestly, when you look at 1.4 million people March across London, when you see Pretoria, South Africa, and marches in honor of Charlie, when you see churches full all across the country in the days that follow, you know, they only cemented his legacy. They didn't expunge his legacy. They cemented his legacy. And, you know, and Charlie. Charlie lives on. And, you know, we can never leave that stage, guys. I will never, ever, ever get off that stage. And I think he was a great inspiration for all.
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Buck Sexton
Well, he is, and certainly your father continues to be. And that moment you mentioned, Butler, where fortunately, a very different outcome there for that day with respect to your father and that he was able to pump his fist in the air and tell everyone to continue to fight. Eric, probably the most iconic single moment, I think, in my life in American politics. I don't know of anything that would really compete with the power of that visual. And I know in your book, Under Siege, My Family's Fight to Save Our Nation, you get into a lot of this. One of the good things, though, is that this is the greatest political comeback and really the most inspiring, I think, story of overcoming a lot of the forces of darkness in this country just by telling your family's story and telling about what you, your brother, your sister, your dad, what you've all been through.
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Eric Trump
Yeah. So, guys, I started working on this three years ago, and I was a guy. I ran the whole company, so everything outside of Washington, D.C. and the family really fell on my shoulders. And, you know, all of a sudden, it was impeachment one, it was impeachment two, it was the Russia hoax. It was a dirty dossier. I was getting calls from the FBI. I hear you have secret servers in the basement of Trump Tower, you know, communicating directly with the Kremlin. It was obviously a total sham. You know, then they sent every DA, every AG after us, whether it was New York or Washington D.C. or Fulton County, Georgia. You know the stories of all those. I got 112 subpoenas. I became the most subpoenaed person in American history, you know, by these radicals. And they took us off of Facebook and Twitter and Instagram. They took my father off the ballot in Colorado and then. And then in Maine, you know, they came after us, they came after our employees. They raided Mar a Lago, they raided our homes. I mean, it was nonstop siege. They wanted to bankrupt us. They wanted to see us gone. They wanted to take away our voice. They wanted the dozens of gag orders we all had in these nonsense cases, all of which we won. And the vast majority of them fell on my shoulders because again, they came after the company based on the fact that my father had constitutional protections. And we beat these guys. We beat them back at every single instance. And so I started writing this book, Under Siege, because that's what they wanted to do. And then I had my two kids on my lap when Butler came around and watched my father's head almost get blown off while having a five and seven year old sitting on my lap. Four and six year old actually at that time sitting on my lap. I mean in high definition TV and you know, it's, you know, and then obviously I saw them trying to do it again in, you know, palm at the golf course. And then I saw what happened to Charlie and that's what they wanted, guys. They wanted our voices gone. They wanted our movement gone. They wanted my father gone. They wanted me off that stage. They wanted Don off that stage. They sure as hell don't like you guys for everything you stand for and how principled the two of you guys have been. And that's what Under Siege is about. It's about all the behind the scenes stories of how they tried to just decimate us, the corruption of government and. And frankly. And thank God how we won, how we triumphed in something that was such an impossible. I mean, endless fight that went on for.
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Buck Sexton
Can I just. One thing I want to ask Eric is Clay told me this from the. I refuse to read the Snake Tapper book because I just felt like it was trying. He's the arsonist who's then calling the fire department. Right. It just felt too. But one interesting revelation from the book and Clay read the whole book, so I appreciate.
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Clay Travis
I did it so everybody else didn't have to do it.
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Buck Sexton
He jumped on that hand grenade for the rest of us. We appreciated that one. But I that that Biden was Behind closed doors, constantly with glee in his eyes, talking about how your dad was going to go to prison. Does that surprise you at all? Like, did you think that there was still some sense of fair play in that Biden White House, but then when that came out, or, or did you know that that was that really the whole time they wanted to lock your dad in a cell?
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Eric Trump
Guys, I was the one when they raided Mar A Lago, who's shouting on TV at night, you think the FBI raided Mar A Lago without the explicit permission of the President of the United States? Like, give me a freaking break. And by the way, the other interesting thing about Jake Capper, Laura was on his show. She was on c. She goes, listen, everybody realizes this guy doesn't have his mental faculties and he starts screaming at her on the show. How are you the person to diagnose his cognitive abilities? Don't you think you're offending children with stutters around the country? And Laura, I mean, she would not put up with the nonsense. She fought right back. And then sure enough, you know, you look at the title and you can maybe remind me of the exact title, but it was like, you know, Biden's, you know, cognitive Decline and the COVID up by the mainstream media sitting there saying the irony of this when six to apologize. Like, you know, the irony of this when you're sitting there, you know, yelling at Lara Trump for saying that we all realize, everybody in this country realizes that the guy is not exactly the sharpest tool in the.
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Buck Sexton
He said Laura was making fun of his stutter.
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Eric Trump
Yeah, yeah.
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Buck Sexton
Which is just insane.
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Eric Trump
Yeah. And it screamed at her for, quote, unquote, diagnosing Biden and not having a PhD. I mean, give me a break. And then he writes a book about how, you know, the media misled the world. And I mean, the great irony of this, but, you know, that's why, honestly, that's example 9820 of why people detest the mainstream media in this country and why, honestly, independent voices like yours, you know, are moving the needle and why no one watches CBS and why, you know, people like Jimmy Kimmel are getting fired and, you know, so on.
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Clay Travis
Under Siege is the book My Family's Fight to Save Our Nation. We're talking with Eric Trump. You are a business guy. You're traveling all over the world doing deals. And one place that I think is emblematic of how much the culture has shifted is suddenly everybody wants to play on your family's fantastic golf courses again. I know that that's a good Thing. But does a part of you just think when these deals get done, man, so many of these business people are complete and total cowards. Your dad was right. In 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, they try to cancel him. They kick him off, and then he wins the popular vote. He's now standing, you know, doing toast with the king and queen of England last night. And all these business guys suddenly, you know, they show back up and they're like, oh, we always loved you. Oh, let's go with the. I mean, this is business. One of the most shameless places on the planet in general, because you guys are grinding for years, and now everybody loves you, but it's got to be a part of you. It's got to be like, give me a break.
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Eric Trump
I got canceled, guys, by every bank in the country for doing nothing wrong. Only because I chose to wear a Make America Great Again hat. I'm talking about golf courses in upstate New York, things that had absolutely nothing to do with politics. Things, you know, entities that have been around for 25 years that had been perfect customers. And they turned us off. Capital One, the worst of all of them, turned us off like we were dogs. I mean, they cancel 300 accounts in the middle of the night, and then all of a sudden, every single day, I get calls from the heads of the. And you would know the names of every single one of them. They're the biggest bankers on Wall Street. Hi, Eric. You know, we really miss the relationship, and we'd really love to get back together. I mean, is there a way that you could come over my house? I'd love to take you to dinner. I'd love you to treat. You know, it'd be great if we could try and rekindle the relationship. And I'm sitting there, guys, and I have very little tolerance for this nonsense. You know, especially now I'm over trying to, you know, height feelings and, you know, I'm not into the pageantry of this stuff. And you're sitting there saying, you dirty. Can't say it on the radio, guy. You know, like, I remember and I will not forget. And, you know, it is. It is shameless. Listen, Zuckerberg. Zuckerberg's come around in a big way. And I actually legitimately believe he loves my father and loves our family, and I have a nice relationship with him now, but he was sitting behind me at inauguration. It was the first time I've ever met him. And I'm sitting there saying, you're sitting behind me. Inauguration. Yet in 2020, you spent $400 million against this. You put 400. And by the way, you go on Facebook to try and find a polling location, you know, or a voting location, a ballot, you know, and guess what? Every single one would come up for Biden. Not a single one would come up for Trump. It's like, you know, they rigged the algorithms, they put count right, they turned down everybody's dials, and now all of a sudden everybody's smiling and happy. And, you know, I'm not saying that people can't change their mind, and I think he legitimately did and is legitimately on the team now. But it's, you know, sometimes it's hard to bite your tongue.
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Buck Sexton
Well, we really appreciate the story and also the fight that your family has put forth for the country. And it is, it is a phenomenal first year in this administration. We're not just saying this because he's your dad. Not just sitting there because I think I met you when you were 10 years old or something for the first time. But this is the truth. It has been an incredible first year. And what your dad has come through is the most amazing political battle in my lifetime. I think in any of our lifetime. I don't think anything would come close to it. And, and the fact that you're giving a portion of the proceeds of the book to Turning Point to continue on with, with Charlie's legacy, I think just speaks to how much you care about, well, your friend Charlie, his family, and also the mission that he left behind. So the book is under siege. My family's fight to save our nation. Go get your copies, Eric. Welcome anytime, my friend. Please come back soon.
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Eric Trump
Thanks, guys.
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Clay Travis
That's Eric Trump. Buck. When we come back, we'll react to that a little bit more. Prize picks. I'm actually going to make the pick this week because I wasn't sure about my travel schedule. So you don't have to worry about Buck like panic trying to read George Pickles or, or try to re.
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Buck Sexton
You better have a Sequan pick for me today. That was all I'm telling you.
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Clay Travis
Okay, I am going to give the pick at the end of the third hour. I will text it to you, Buck, and you can hop on. Cause you're going to be traveling back to Miami, I think. But prize picks, you can go get hooked up right now. NFL action, college football action, all back underway. Use my name, Clay. Right now, you play $5, you get $50. You can play in California, you can play in Texas, you can play in Georgia. 40 plus states. If you're feeling left out. All you have to do is go to prizepix.com use my name, Clay. That's prizepix.com my name, Clay to get hooked up today and you will have some fun. And I will have a pick for you in the next hour for the week and we'll see if we can make it two out of three weeks to get everything done. Load up the phone lines, by the way, 800-282-2882. You can also hit those talkbacks. We'll play some of those as we continue to roll. That's prizepix.com code Clay $50 when you play $5, go do it. Prizepix.com code 6C L A Y. Let's hit some of the news. Buck, by the way, is on his way to Miami. He and his family are traveling. So I've got you solo for the rest of the show tomorrow. By the way, Buck will have you solo because and I'm looking forward to this. I am one of the keynotes for the Michigan Republican Party. Our friend Tutor Dixon is obviously very involved in that. She's part of the Clay and Buck Podcast network. I'm going to be up at Mackinac Island, Michigan, for a big event there that is one of their signature events of the year. And obviously Michigan is one of the biggest battlegrounds anywhere, but also the home state of my wife Laura. And we got engaged on Mackinac Island. So it's kind of cool to, to go back 20 I'm doing the math in my head 23 years later and be doing a keynote there at the, at their event, which is at the Grand Hotel, which is one of the great hotels in America. And I could barely afford a hotel room there for one night when we got engaged 23 years ago. And now going back to help keynote one of the big events for the Michigan Republican Party. So very cool. And I am looking forward to doing that. And I imagine that some of you that are listening right now will be a part of that event going on there, which they do on an annual basis and is a very cool, is a very cool place to be doing that event. If you've never been before, I would have no idea. I've said this before and people always say, hey, shut up. You're giving away a secret. I did not know how spectacular Northern Michigan was and still not know unless I had ended up married to a girl from Michigan. And especially in the summer, but also in the fall. I don't love cold weather. So some of you do love Cold weather, but for basically every time. But the winter, one of the greatest places in the country. And in the summer, oh, I mean, just absolutely spectacular up there. And you guys may remember I did the show for a while from Traverse City this summer. But so I'm excited to be back up there. But that is where I'll be on Friday. Not very easy to get in and out of that location. So I'll be traveling during the show tomorrow. Let's dive in to some of what happened at the state dinner and then we'll spend more time talking about the biggest story of the day and all the discussion surrounding it, which is the Jimmy Kimmel. The Jimmy Kimmel effectively being suspended. Although I think it's going to end in a firing. Here is last night's state dinner. Some of you probably saw some of the video highlights yesterday afternoon evening saying that we must continue to stand for the values and people of the English speaking world. Cut 22. I thought this was particularly well said by Trump.
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Donald Trump
Listen, the bond of kinship and identity between America and the United Kingdom is priceless and eternal. It's irreplaceable and unbreakable. And we are as a country, as you know, doing unbelievably well. We had a very sick country one year ago and today I believe we're the hottest country anywhere in the world. In fact, nobody is even questioning it. But we owe so much of that to you and the footing that you gave us when we started. Together, we've done more good for you humanity than any two countries in all of history. Together we must defend the exceptional heritage that makes us who we are. And we must continue to stand for the values and the people of the English speaking world. And we do indeed stand for that.
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Clay Travis
A couple of more cuts from that event, the state Dinner. Let me flip it over to the other side of the pond. Here is King Charles giving a toast to Trump and the First Lady. This happened yesterday.
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King Charles
Listen, Mr. President, Mrs. Trump. The bond between our two nations is indeed a remarkable one. Forged in the fire of conflict, it has been fortified through our shared endeavors and burnished by the deep affection between our people. Tested time and again, it has borne the weight of our common purpose and raised our ambition for a better world. So in renewing our bond tonight, we do so with unshakable trust in our friendship and in our shared commitment to independence and liberty. Therefore, as we celebrate this unparalleled partnership, allow me to propose a toast to President Trump and the first lady and to the health, prosperity and happiness of the People of the United States of.
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Clay Travis
America, is it unfair to get to have the British accent? I feel like it adds multiple grade levels to what it sounds like you're saying. In other words, if you're a C level student and you have a British accent, it makes you feel like you're an A level student. If you're an A level student, it takes you into the stratosphere of genius, all because of the way you sound while you talk. I don't know that anywhere else likes the American accent. I don't think in England they're listening to Trump and saying, you know what, this American accent, it just sounds so good. The British accent really is kind of an unfair advantage when it comes to argument. One more. Take 21. This is Trump again saying the state dinner is one of the highest honors of his life.
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Donald Trump
Your Majesty, Melania and I are deeply grateful to you and Queen Camilla for your extraordinary graciousness. And to William and Kate, thank you so much. It's been so great being with you today. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. It's a singular privilege to be the first American president welcomed here. And the, if you think about it, it's a lot of presidents and this was the second state visit and that's the first and maybe that's going to be the last time. I hope it is, actually. But this is truly one of the highest honors of my life. Such respect for you and such respect for your country.
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Clay Travis
I don't think we talk about it enough as a society. I love that Trump said this is maybe the greatest partnership in the history of the world. I think he's right. And we are all in debts of gratitude for Western civilization and what it has provided all of us around the world in terms of economic, in terms of basic human rights, in terms of all of the freedoms that we in many ways take for granted. They're all rooted in the exceptionalism of Western civilization. And much of so called, so called woke collective culture is really just about tearing down the fabric of Western civilization and arguing that it's rooted in illegitimacy. And once you see that that is what's going on, it becomes so important that all of us stand up and speak stridently and forthrightly in favor of Western civilization and basic human rights around the world, everywhere. And that's why it was so dastardly. That's why it was so pernicious when the New York Times decided, hey, we're going to redefine American history through the prism of slavery as opposed to the American Revolution, because they knew exactly what they were doing. If, as Nikole Hannah Jones, for instance, in the New York Times, decided they didn't say, hey, America's founding happened in 1492, you know how most people really don't talk about that? And when I'm saying 1492, obviously I'm talking about the discovery of the New World, Columbus, all of that. Because from 1492 to 1619, there was no slavery in the colonies. There was indentured servitude, but no slavery. So for whatever the math is on that, the first hundred and forty years of the New World, there was no slavery, and then there was slavery from 1619 to 1863, but only about 80 years of that was the American republic allowing slavery. So they don't take 1492 as the founding. They don't take 1776, when we declared independence and became an independent country, as the founding. They say 1619 is the founding of the United States because effectively, that's the time that the first slaves from Africa arrived on United States shore. And if this is really important, if they can define America as fundamentally rooted in the illegitimacy of slavery, then they can tear down the entire fabric of the country. It's all very calculated. It's all based in story. How do we define the story of the United States? Is it one primarily defined by triumph, or is it one primarily defined by evil and. And an awful exploitation? If it is awful and exploitative, then everything that is built is rooted in a foundation of illegitimacy and hence can be swept away. The Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, none of it means anything. And that's what they're actually after. And I think Trump gets it. I know JD Vance gets it at his essence and at his core. And all of you, if you haven't really spent enough time thinking about it, spend more time thinking about it. All of this is rooted in Western civilization, and certainly Charlie Kirk got it. And in fact, if you look at that big picture, and if you contemplate it, it's also rooted in religion in many ways. And even if you are listening to me right now, and you are not religious, as I know some of you are, maybe even many of you, we all benefit from other people who are religious because their attempt to live a more honorable life benefits all of us. You sin less. You engage in violent behavior. Yeah. Less you think about the larger context of your life as you're going to be judged for it, which in general leads to better life choices and all of that is rooted in Western civilization, which I do think Trump was right in that Toast. The United States and England have historically stood for more than any countries in the world, at least in recent history. Now, what does it say that many of these countries that have basked in the legitimacy of Western civilization for a very long time, Italy, England, Germany, France, many of these Western European countries are now turning their back on Western civilization. We, and this is kind of wild to think about, have actually infected them with the WOKE virus. And it has run rampant, I would argue, in those countries even more now than it has here, where I think Trump is acting in many ways as an inoculation against the WOKE virus. It hasn't happened yet in Europe. And in fact, if you go back and look at the way that the WOKE virus has spread all throughout Western Europe, they blamed us for bringing it to them, and yet their countries may be more susceptible to it because they don't have a Donald Trump. Just think about it. I, I, I was, you know, nerd style as I watched some of that state dinner, thinking about the mutuality of impact and how Western Europe certainly has created the republic that we're fortunate enough to live in right now and how much smarter and better versed in history our founders were because they learned from all of recorded history the flaws that prior governments had made when they tried to build our own. And now this WOKE virus, which I like to think that we have extinguished to a large degree in this country, although there's still pockets that need to be attacked and inoculated against, it actually is running more rampant in Europe right now than it even is here. And I hope we can change that. We'll take some of your calls. I want to dive into the Jimmy Kimmel thing a bit more, Buck. Like I said, on the road. He'll have you tomorrow solo when I'm traveling up to Michigan to be one of the keynote speakers at their big event up there. 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Clay Travis
Let's go back into the Jimmy Kimmel controversy. I've got some more thoughts and I want to get your reactions 800-282-2882. You can also give us talkbacks. Let's play one more time because I know many people join the show at different times. This is what created the latest free speech controversy. This was Monday during the monologue Jimmy Kimmel on the Charlie Kirk assassination. Listen.
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Buck Sexton
We had some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to to score political points from it.
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Clay Travis
Okay, so that is the, that is the commentary. It tied in in the minds of many to this calculated attempt to try to make this crazy assassin seem as if he were a member of the Trump supporting right? And there was a very calculated attempt to try to say, oh, the reason Charlie Kirk was assassinated was because he wasn't right wing enough. When all of the evidence that you have all been exposed to and had shared with you, certainly on this program and in other places clearly evinces that this was a guy who was dating a trans person family says had gone far left wing, wrote anti Fascist, anti Nazi, pro trans messages on the shell casings of his, of the bullets of the weapon that he was planning to use to kill Charlie Kirk. All of these things clearly demonstrate that he was of the left and that he was motivated by a decade plus of people out there calling Donald Trump and his supporters Hitler and Nazis. And now that there is a suspension that has come from, thanks to some of the affiliate stations out there saying we won't air this, there is now a pushback in an aggressive way against the idea that Jimmy Kimmel should have been suspended over this. I'm going to play some of that audio so that you have a context of what's going on. But let me just say this. I think in general, you have to remain committed to principle over politics, even sometimes when it leads to situations that you may not like. The left has not done that. And the left, in fact, let's use Disney examples. Roseanne Barr shared a tweet that was deemed to be unacceptable and she was immediately canceled. Even though she was on the most popular show on ABC at the time other than sports, most popular scripted show and they wrote off her character as dying of a drug overdose. Gina Carano was on the most popular streaming show in all of Disney plus, the Mandalorian. She shared opinions that were considered to be unexpect unacceptable on social media. She was fired. So when the left has established and when the Disney Corporation has established that their standard of speech is. If we decide that it is unacceptable in any way, we're going to fire you. I don't think they have any legs to stand on with Jimmy Kimmel. I just don't. I think they have cut the legitimacy of their arguments out from underneath me. Now, some of you are not going to appreciate this argument, but I have made it consistently. Some of you are going to nod along and say, this is important. I don't think anybody, anybody actually benefits from cancel culture. I don't think society benefits from cancel culture. I don't think when they tried to cancel Rush that that was a benefit for this show. And many of you who listen to Rush know exactly what I'm talking about. Rush was at the forefront of cancel culture. I, not surprisingly, to some of you out there, people have tried to cancel me for a long time. In fact, I shared this clip from eight years ago this week when I went on cnn. I'd been banned from CNN for making a joke. When I said, hey, the only two things I've ever believed in completely are the First Amendment and boobs. If you haven't heard that. Here it is. CNN has still banned me for that. Listen, I'm a First Amendment absolutist. I believe in only two things completely, the First Amendment and boobs. And so once they made the decision that they were not going to allow A, you believe in the sports related commentary, they I just want to make sure I heard you correctly as a woman anchoring the show. Did you say what did you say you believe in the First Amendment and B, double BS boobs. Two things that have only never let me down in this entire country's history. The First Amendment and boobs. So those are the only two things I believe in. Absolutely. In the country. I just want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly. B O Z or B O O B S Because as a woman, I'm as in boobs. I believe completely in the First Amendment and in boobs. Those are the only two things I believe 100% in in this country. And by the way, Jamel has absolutely nothing to say that live on national television and with a female host. I say it live on the radio all the time because it's true. And that's what I do because I like boobs and the First Amendment, which is exactly what I said. All right, so if you haven't seen that clip eight years ago, that was the number one trending story in America. Brooke Baldwin wrote an editorial essentially demanding that I be fired. I was doing sports talk or radio. Everybody tried to get me fired over that. Now it's ironic certainly that to make a point about believing in the First Amendment, I would do it in a humorous way that would get more attention and not immediately apologize to a woman who, who tried to play the identity politics card live on CNN and tried to get me fired. But all of these people that claim now that they are First Amendment warriors for Jimmy Kimmel, they cheered when Roseanne Barr was fired. They cheered when Gina Carano was fired. They cheered when Tucker Carlson was taken off the air. They would cheer and do cartwheels if I or Buck were taken off the air because they aren't really committed to the First Amendment. They are committed to removing people they disagree with from the airwaves. And that's why I think the principle here matters, because the politics is constantly going to shift. I've said before, when Bill Maher got pulled off the air, ABC on a show called Politically Incorrect for making politically incorrect comments about terrorists, I didn't think that was appropriate. Now, Bill Maher is talented enough that HBO came and they hired him and he's probably got a way better show now than he did when he was at abc. I give credit to the boss that Buck and I have now. And the reason that I am sitting talking to all of you, Julie Talbot. Because at iHeart, they are committed to allowing people from a wide variety of perspectives to be able to talk to large audiences. There's a big difference between what you will hear on this show and, and what Charlemagne the God will say, or what Bobby Bones will say, or what Ryan Seacrest will say or what Steve Harvey will say. That's good. That's how the country should be. You should be able to go out and, and, and be exposed to the largest possible collection of arguments out there and the largest possible collection of entertainers. Now, here is my take on why I don't necessarily agree with the way all this went down. I think firing someone because of something that they said on air is a form of cancel culture for sure. If you do not believe that Jimmy Kimmel's show is worthy of being on the air, just pull it. They didn't pull Stephen Colbert directly because of something he said on the air. They said he's losing $40 million a year. We don't want to be in this business anymore. I think we all, all of us actually end up in a worse place when we are saying, you can't make that joke. That's offensive. You can't use that word in that context. All of these things, I think, actually limit the larger scope of discussion in this country. So I'm probably going to be the only person on the planet who said, wrong decision on Roseanne, wrong decision on Gina Carano, and I think wrong decision on the timing surrounding Jimmy Kimmel. Now, I have tons of thoughts and we've talked about it a lot on the program, about the decline of late night television and the fact that basically all late night television turned into left wing propaganda where you can only make fun of one side. And as a result, they destroyed their business in the process. That I have no issue with. If tomorrow I heart decided, hey, you know what, Clay? You and Buck, your show's not higher, highly rated enough. You're not making us enough money. We got to move on. I'd say, hey, you know what? That's a business imperative. By the way, thanks to you guys, that's not the case. In fact, we just found out yesterday, ratings are up 25% over last year. That's pretty damn good. Thank you. But that's the business we're in. If you don't make your boss's money, then at some point in time, they're going to come to you and they're going to try to find somebody who can or somebody who will. And so if Disney had had the chutzpah to come forward and say, you know what? We're not getting a great rating in this hour. We think it's time to move on and try something new in that hour with abc, we think we can make more money doing something else. I would have said, hey, you know what? More power to you. I think deciding to pull him based on comments ultimately is not beneficial. And some of you out there goes, oh, at some point, I don't know what it's going to be. They'll come for us. You know this. They came for Rush. Now, I hope partly because of what I did eight years ago when they came for me. I like to think that I'm somewhat uncancelable. I'd like to think that Buck is somewhat uncancellable. But when you set the precedent that what people say on live shows can lead to them losing their job immediately, it's never going to stop. Right? And that's what the left is learning right now. They made these rules, and now they're looking around and saying, wait a minute, I don't like these rules. This is why people like me have been saying, ultimately the precedent is going to blow up on YouTube. And so there are going to be at some point in time, might be eight years from now, might be ten years from now. But if we establish the precedent of if someone says something I don't like, they can't make a living doing that job anymore, eventually it's going to boomerang back on the right just like it's boomeranging back on the left right now. And I'm going to be the guy sitting back saying, hey, I don't think that's the right decision. And I'm going to stand on principle over the politics of the moment. Now, again, if cbs, when CBS made the decision, hey, Colbert's gone, we're losing $40 million a year. I think that's a rational, reasonable choice that they could make. I'm a business guy. I ran a media business. There are people we've had to move on from because we can't afford their salary because they're not actually making us money. You heard Stephen A. And I have this exact discussion on Tuesday where he said, ultimately, all of our jobs come down to, are we making bosses money? And if you're not, you're not going to be employed very long. This is not, however, to me a First Amendment issue. It's a creative freedom issue because nobody is keeping Jimmy Kimmel from coming out and saying exactly what he thinks in any other form. He can start a podcast, he can start a YouTube channel. Same thing for Stephen Colbert. Look at what Tucker did when Fox News took him off the air. It has never been easier for the name on the back of the jersey to be able to be followed anywhere. So I just, I don't buy into this idea of, oh my God, this is the biggest attack on the First Amendment that we've ever seen. You know what a real attack on the First Amendment would look like? Murdering somebody in cold blood while they're at a free speech event. Because you don't like what they are saying. Which is exactly what happened to Charlie Kirk. And it's why there is a strong argument to be made that part of the sickness that afflicts the left in this country is they are more outspoken about a comedian not being able to continue on his late night comedy show than they are a dad being assassinated in cold blood at a free speech event. One of those is a significant threat to free speech in America. That is Charlie Kirk's assassination. The other is just a debate about where a person should go to share his or her opinions. It has never been easier for everybody in America to share their opinions than it is today. I'll take some of your calls, I'll take some of your reactions. 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