Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Sep 5 2025

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Daily Review with Clay and Buck – Sep 5, 2025
Date: September 5, 2025
Podcast Host: iHeartPodcasts

Overview

On this edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay and Buck take listeners through the week’s most pressing political and cultural topics—ranging from U.S. economic indicators and inflation, to media accountability and cancel culture, trans issues in sports and healthcare, and the ongoing U.S. response to the cartel-driven drug crisis. Highlighted guests include Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza, who discusses his new documentary "The Dragon’s Prophecy" about the Israel-Gaza conflict. The hosts approach each subject with characteristic humor, skepticism, and robust debate, aiming for clarity and reason amid today’s contentious political landscape.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Economic Slowdown, Inflation, and Political Fallout

Timestamps: [01:18]–[05:35]

• August Job Numbers & Federal Reserve’s Moves:

  • Buck opens with news of a summer slowdown in hiring (only 22,000 jobs added) and reassures, “No panickings, Clay allowed. We have a no panickings policy.” ([01:49])
  • Clay lambasts Jerome Powell for rate-cutting delays, blaming him for inflation during Biden’s term:

    “He was wrong in allowing the overall inflation rate to get to 9.1% during Biden. ...Once prices go up, ...the new normal becomes whatever those prices are.” ([03:27])

• Lingering Discontent:

  • Clay describes the “hangover effect” from fast cost increases:

    “People have sort of internal calculators in their head for what something should cost ...and all of it is wildly out of sorts with what it should have been if Biden hadn’t gotten elected and screwed up everything.” ([03:27])

• Political Ramifications:

  • Buck warns that, regardless of economic reality, “it is Trump's economy now” and Democrats will seize any downturn for political gain. ([05:13])

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2. Media Authenticity and Cancel Culture: J.K. Rowling vs. Malcolm Gladwell

Timestamps: [05:35]–[16:28]

• Gladwell’s Public “Conversion” on Transgender Athletes:

  • Buck recounts author Malcolm Gladwell’s recent admission that he was "too cowardly" to voice the truth against trans women in female sports.
  • He quotes J.K. Rowling’s scathing public take-down, citing her directness about the dangers women and girls face for speaking out:

    “Gladwell’s career wouldn’t have been destroyed ... He hasn’t changed, he merely sensed a shift in what’s acceptable to say and feels safe to align himself with the new consensus, excusing his previous behavior. He isn't an ally, he's a weather vane.” ([07:07])

• On When to Offer ‘Grace’:

  • Clay praises Rowling’s courage and frames reading for kids as the best gift in the AI era.
  • Buck: “It’s a cultural and economic choke point, a huge one.” ([09:55])
  • Clay speculates Rowling’s personal knowledge of Gladwell’s character led to her scathing statement:

    “This feels to me like she knows or has felt for some time that he’s a fraud. Different in public than in private because it’s such a takedown.” ([11:19])

• Broader Themes:

  • Media hypocrisy, the behind-the-scenes political maneuvering of public figures, and the “choke point” of advertising and marketing controlled by ideological actors.

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3. Transgender Healthcare, Youth, and Public Trust in Science

Timestamps: [19:16]–[32:33]

• Reviewing RFK Jr. Testimony & Rachel Levine’s Claims:

  • Clay and Buck react to the testimony of Rachel Levine, assistant HHS secretary, regarding youth transition care, with Clay sarcastically exposing media reluctance to report Levine’s original name and background. ([19:54])
  • Clay harshly critiques the rhetoric that “gender-affirming care is literally suicide prevention care,” calling it “crazy.” ([22:15])
  • Buck points out long-term negative mental health outcomes and the dangers of obligatory validation in gender therapy:

    “There’s a lie that’s at the heart of all this. ... the transition never works. ... If it’s not about the physical transition, why go through the process?” ([27:07])

• Erosion of Trust in Health Institutions:

  • Both decry the pandemic-era contradictions and messaging from public health authorities, drawing a line from Covid miscommunication to skepticism about vaccines and intervention for minors.

• Moderation and Parental Responsibility:

  • Clay emphasizes moderation in vaccination and medical intervention, rejecting all-or-nothing postures:

    “Moderation very often is the key to all things in life.” ([32:33])

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4. Escalation Against the Drug Cartels

Timestamps: [35:02]–[48:24]

• Kinetic Military Action Update:

  • Buck and Clay discuss recent U.S. military strikes on cartel vessels, a first-of-its-kind escalation against narco-terror networks.
    • Pete Hegseth (Sec. of Defense):

      “We have the absolute and complete authority... That is an assault on the American people.” ([36:31])

    • “We smoked a drug boat... 11 narco terrorists at the bottom of the ocean.” ([36:47])

• Impact and Ethics:

  • Clay suggests, “the drug war has failed,” but says fentanyl and other synthetic drugs’ lethality demands a different approach. He calls drone strikes a potential “game changer” in cartel risk calculations.
  • Buck notes the economic reality: “If we were to get three out of four drug loads... it’d still probably be very profitable for the cartels.” ([38:34])

• Legal Framing:

  • Cartel organizations have been officially labeled as terrorist organizations, changing the U.S. rules of engagement and enabling broader kinetic action.

• Parent-to-Parent Warning:

  • Clay urges listeners:

    “Talk to your kids and grandkids. They are often dying without even understanding the drug that they're taking. ... Tens of thousands of them every single year. Your kids need to know about this.” ([48:24])

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5. Dinesh D’Souza on Israel, Gaza, and The Dragon’s Prophecy

Timestamps: [53:17]–[65:15]

• Film Introduction & Premise:

  • D’Souza presents "The Dragon’s Prophecy," connecting current Israel/Gaza events to ancient biblical history, and asserting the October 7 attack has deep ethical and biblical significance:

    “October 7th is not an ordinary attack. It's a kind of a biblical event... an event of ethical significance.” ([53:42])

• Exclusive Footage & Critique of Western Media:

  • The documentary features unpublished October 7th footage and survivor testimonies, partly in response to international media’s failure to highlight the extent of Hamas’s atrocities.

• On International and Conservative Responses:

  • D’Souza discusses the “anti-Israel element of the right,” empathizing with concern over endless foreign entanglements, but rebuts claims that “the Israeli tail is wagging the American dog.”

    “...A country of 10 or 12 million people... a tiny fraction of the US... how this little mosquito can somehow control the elephant is itself, like, baffling. Right? It doesn't make any sense.” ([57:23])

• Biblical and Historical Roots:

  • The film explores proof of the ancient Israelites’ biblical lineage—addressing skepticism from both secular and religious audiences.

• Why the Left Sides with Hamas/Palestinians:

  • D’Souza explains:

    “The left in a way accepts the premise of the radical Muslims that Israel is the little Satan and America is the great Satan. ...They consider Israel to be an illegitimate occupier.” ([60:25])

• Outlook on Peace:

  • D’Souza is skeptical of an ultimate solution:

    “If the Bible is correct, this problem fundamentally will not be solved ... it will remain a festering sore.” ([63:26])

  • Expresses hope for Trump’s economic/peace plan, involving prosperity and regional Arab administration, as a practical step forward.

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Notable Quotes

• Buck Sexton:

  “No panickings, Clay allowed. We have a no panickings policy.” ([01:53])

• Clay Travis:

  “Once prices go up, they are inflated and the new normal becomes whatever those prices are.” ([03:27])

• J.K. Rowling via Buck:

  “He hasn't changed, he merely sensed a shift in what is acceptable to say and feels safe to align himself with the new consensus, excusing his previous behavior. He isn’t an ally, he's a weather vane.” ([07:07])

• Buck:

  “There's a lie that's at the heart of all this. The whole notion of gender affirmation skips the fact that the transition never works.” ([27:07])

• Clay:

  “The drug war has failed. ...These drugs are so strong and so many relatively young people otherwise of good health are dying from them that I don't think we can allow it into our country.” ([36:58])

• Dinesh D’Souza:

  “...October 7th is not an ordinary attack. It's a kind of a biblical event. In other words, it's an event of ethical significance.” ([53:42])

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Episode Flow & Tone

Throughout the episode, Clay and Buck maintain a conversational, irreverent, yet analytical tone, mixing humor (“no panickings!”) with sharp commentary and skepticism—particularly around official narratives, cancel culture, and the failures of institutions from media to healthcare. Their pushback on both left and right orthodoxy grounds the episode, while high-profile guests (like D’Souza) deepen the discussion on geopolitics and the cultural dimensions of current events.

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Conclusion

This episode provides a rapid-fire, critical, and at times provocative tour of the top political, cultural, and societal issues shaping America. With guests offering deep dives and hosts taking principled stances (often laced with humor), the show remains a valuable pulse-check on conservative worldview and ongoing national debates.

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Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Start your 7 day free trial today. Offers are subject to change. Go to Fox one for complete terms and conditions. Fox one we live for live streaming now. Welcome everybody to the Friday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. We are racked and stacked on this Friday. That's right. It is time, my friends, to dive into all of it. It is September, so no more afternoon nap time because it's summer, everybody. We got a we got a nation to save. We got a world to solve. We got things to do and we're doing it right now. Florida Surgeon General Joseph Doctor, real doctor, not a Jill Biden doctor. Dr. Joseph Ladapo will be with us to talk about Florida's vaccine mandate situation. It's a little more complicated than some of what the headline suggests and we want to hear from the man himself, Dr. Latipo, Florida surgeon General and I think somebody that you may very well see somewhere in the Trump administration over the course of the four years. We'll see. We can ask him about that. Our, our buddy Dinesh d' Souza has another film, that Dragon's Prophecy. He'll talk to us about that in the third hour. Remember yesterday I said they don't make good films anymore? Well, there are some independent films. Conservative filmmakers out there are doing cool stuff. So we'll talk to Dinesh about his movie. Just in the realm of we Gotta cover it because it's out and news today. Not a whole lot to say about it. You got hiring stalled, US economy out of 22,000 jobs in August. A little bit of a summer slowdown, but no big deal. Don't panic. It's all going to be fine. No panickings, Clay allowed. We have a no panickings policy. I might have to get a no panic in sign. Whenever we talk about the economy, you Surely don't panic. Mr. Clay over there telling everybody when the market was getting shellacked earlier this year. Don't, don't run for the lifeboats. Stay on the icon of the seas or whatever your preferred vessel is and you'll be fine. So, Clay, do you, do you see any. I got something else we're going to dive into in a second. But just your, your quick reaction to jobs report, where the economy's heading right now, how it's all looking.

[Clay Travis]

Jerome Powell was late again and they're going to cut rates in September. He was wrong in allowing the overall entry, the overall inflation rate to get to 9.1, sorry, 1% during Biden. And I think the biggest issue that Trump faces in terms of sort of vibe, for lack of a better way to describe it, is people are still angry because prices went up so fast under Biden. I mean, to me that is a lot of people are out there and they're saying, well, prices haven't come back down. And I think the challenge is prices never come back down, ever. This is the pernicious nature of inflation. Once prices go up, they are inflated and the new normal becomes whatever those prices are. The best you can do is try to get back to normalcy. And we are back to normalcy. But trust me, I've been saying this for years. Every time I go through a fast food restaurant, drive through with my kids, Chick Fil A is usually our preferred place. The amount of money that it costs me makes me shake my head. It doesn't feel right. And people have sort of internal calculators in their head for what something should cost. Coffee in the morning, a trip to a fast food restaurant with your kids, a pizza. And all of it is wildly out of sorts with what it should have been if Biden hadn't gotten elected and screwed up everything. So I think there's a lingering hangover effect, for lack of a better way of describing it, for the massive run up in inflation that we saw. And it's going to take years for people to recognize that things start to feel normal again. Does that make sense. And so I think that's going to be going on.

[Buck Sexton]

Even if what you say, and I think what you say on this is, is correct, even if it's economically true, it can still be politically a problem. Right. It is Trump's economy now. So the Democrats are going to try to pounce on this. They don't care that Biden, it's like blaming that, like Republicans will get blamed when the debt's $37 trillion. But when it was $36.5 trillion, Democrats had no problem.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, there's going to be some of that gamesmanship going on here. But bottom line is I think the economy's still very strong, going to better places. And I am optimistic, although I will say we didn't discuss this. The Trump team looking at tariffs, or rather the Supreme Court is supposed to look at tariffs. Trump team had an appeals decision that went against them. And now there's the possibility that this tariff stuff may be undone by judges saying the president doesn't have the authority. That's a mess. That's a mess. So I don't know what that's going to do. But this is in the are we really, we really want to see what happens if almost a trillion dollars in collected money, what are we going to do? Give it back to these countries? It's crazy. So we'll see two other stories, by the way, that are high up on the radar for us just to put a pin in them. The mayor of D.C. it's like I told you all from the beginning, kind of likes Trump's crime crackdown. Kind of likes it. We got a story on that one, a scoop on that. And the U.S. is deploying 10 fighter jets, jets to Puerto Rico, I think, to maybe blow up more cartel drug ships, which is they're, they're serious about this. And Pete Hegset, the secretary of defense, spoke directly about it. But Clay had had to go to this one. We had quite a robust discussion yesterday about Malcolm Gladwell. And we discussed that he has come out and said, and he admitted that he was too cowardly to say the truth. That's not saying that he believed it. And now has learned more new facts of facts have come in. He just said, look, I'm too much of a, I was too much of a wimp about trans men competing against women in sports. And I said to you, well, do we give credit, Clay, or do we have to look at this as pure opportunism? Right. J.K. rowling, who you and I both hold in high regard, The Harry Potter author wrote this about the situation. I want to get Clay's reaction. Gladwell's career wouldn't have been destroyed if he spoke out against the glaring unfairness, not to mention dangers, of allowing men to compete in women's sports. He'd have faced the loss of approval from the cultural elite and received activist blowback. And even that wouldn't have come with the tsunami of death and rape threats women face when they speak out. Non famous people, mostly women, girls and gay people, have genuinely had their careers and lives destroyed for saying what Gladwell was too pusillanimous to say, and he didn't lift a finger in their defense. She goes on and on. He hasn't changed. He merely sensed a shift in what is acceptable to say and feels safe to align himself with the new consensus excusing his previous behavior. He isn't an ally, he's a weather Vanessa Clay off the top rope.

[Clay Travis]

We talked about this I believe with Ben Shapiro and I think one of the most challenging things out there is when do you give grace and when do you not? And I I love J.K. rowling because as we said and have said for some time, she had no reason to need to do this. She is publishing royalty. She could have after she wrote the Harry Potter books, which are fantastic. My 10 year old is reading them now. I bet a lot of your kids and grandkids may have not been readers. And if they do become readers later in life, it's often because you get them started at an early age with the gift of learning what books can bring to their lives. And you and I were both huge readers at young ages. I would say if I can give any advice on education at all, it's get your kids to read. I think it's going to become even more important in an AI era where having the ability to distinguish truth from fiction and real from fake is going to become maybe the most important skill set that a child can have and that a young adult can have. And I would say that exists now. Look, I lived this and all I can tell you is I don't think the full story on the power of the left to take over advertising marketing and recognize it as a area that they can control and dominate all discourse.

[Buck Sexton]

It's a cultural and economic choke point, a huge one.

[Clay Travis]

I don't think most people even still understand it. And so I live this. I told you guys I was I had a multi million dollar fanduel which you would think would be about beer.

[Buck Sexton]

Drinking sports fans, but apparently they're about transgender guys, you know, smashing volleyballs into girls faces. But Clay, what do you think about this assessment from J.K. rowling? Because she kind of, she kind of ripped Gladwell's face off with this one, let's be honest. I mean, she went, she went for the jugular here. She was not messing around.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I think it's particularly interesting because I would see them as in many ways contemporaries, by which I mean, I would bet J.K. rowling is basically the best selling fiction author of her generation.

[Buck Sexton]

I think she's the first author billionaire from actual works created as an author. I think she is that has that title.

[Clay Travis]

And I would submit you said Michael Lewis, but I would bet Malcolm Gladwell has so has sold more copies of nonfiction books than almost anybody of his generation. Certainly he's worth, I would bet, hundreds of millions of dollars because of his books. When I read this, you sent it to me this morning. I hadn't seen it yet. It actually, to me read as she knows that he's a fraud on a personal level.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, yes. We didn't talk about this beforehand, but I think she knows stuff. Go ahead. So I don't mean to cut, I just thunder. But you're right.

[Clay Travis]

When, when sometimes if you see a particular venom from people in public life, it's because, hey, I'm not going there fully about what I know about you, but I'm not going to give you grace because I know you're full of it. I've never met Malcolm Gladwell. I have no relationship with him. I have no knowledge of him on a personal level. I've enjoyed several of his books. That's my full scope. I've never met J.K. rowling. I don't know anything about her. I find it hard to believe that the two of them, given their prominence in the writing communities, would not have crossed paths and. Or be in some way knowledgeable of each other's personal as well as professional lives. And so this feels to me like she knows or has felt for some time that he's a fraud. Different in public than in private because it's such a takedown. To me, it doesn't read as someone just has a different political opinion than me. It reads as this guy's a total fraud who is truly a weather vane and you can't trust him. And she's basically coming after him for that reason. So I think it's bigger than the disagreement.

[Buck Sexton]

Right. So that I. The thing that I totally agree with here in your assessment is that she, she was on a panel or saw him with someone on a panel. I mean, I even saw Matt Taibbi, who was a man solidly of the left as a writer, but because he has approached things with some journalistic objectivity and, and honesty, he has found himself in agreement with the right more and more. A little bit. Like Glenn Greenwald, for example. Like Glenn is. I completely disagree with him on some things, Israel being one of them. But when you talk about First Amendment and free speech stuff and government transparency, he agrees with a lot of people on the right about a lot of stuff in the deep state. But Taibi also went after Gladwell, which I thought was interesting for, for basically calling Matt Taibbi a racist. So. So the, the, the knives are out a bit here. It was interesting to see. By the way, to your point, I checked this out. Michael Lewis has sold about 10 million copies, which is for an author, you know.

[Clay Travis]

Unbelievable.

[Buck Sexton]

That's. That's a lot. Gladwell has sold almost 25 million, so.

[Clay Travis]

A lot.

[Buck Sexton]

The guy sold a lot of books. Yeah. So, yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Do you get me? I. They definitely. And by the way, sometimes this stuff happens behind the scenes, where whatever you think about both you and me, I've never been an anonymous source, like I tell you, basically, for better or worse. Exactly what I think.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

There are people like Glad, I'm saying I don't think J.K. rowling is tiptoeing up to anything. I think she's saying exactly what she believes to be true. Sometimes people like Gladwell are very political behind the scenes and they're pulling levers and they're trying to say, oh, I didn't have any idea that was going to happen, really. Everybody knows these people. Who are they? Present one way, face to face, but then you find out you've been getting stabbed in the back by them secretly sort of in the.

[Buck Sexton]

It's called working in the media. It's called working in the media, Clay. Yes.

[Clay Travis]

So to me, I read this and I thought, she's not giving him grace because she knows he is unworthy of receiving grace. And, and so I read that, and I got to tell you, J.K. rowling, I never would have expected that a British lady who wrote books about sorcerers and wizards and, you know, child children's fantasy would ever be the savage that she is in the world of, of. Of consumer culture and political opinion. But, my goodness, I love her. I'd love to meet her at some point. Can I tell you? Or have her on the show? I think that would be amazing.

[Buck Sexton]

We'll reach Out. I mean, she's a billionaire, so her time is probably pretty valuable. We'll try. Uh, but I would say Trump's a billionaire. He calls it, he hangs out with us. So maybe, maybe JK will call in. I would say, though, she sees what this brain virus, which, and I don't mean just transgenderism, I mean the brain virus of, of forced lying and forced falsification in society. She sees what it's doing to the uk and I think it makes her deeply sad for her home country because it's winning over there. You see, it's a different context. Everyone here, we still are on the air. Trump is in charge. Conservatism is ascendant right now, or the right. Let's just say the right is ascendant in this country, in this moment in the uk, it's turning into a route, a route against free speech, a rout against secure borders, a route against basic truth. And I think she's very concerned because she sees that that's happening.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's 100% right. And honestly, if you read her books, which I have and which I would encourage you to buy for your kids and grandkids, much of the book, honestly, is focused with what happens when freedom of speech vanishes, when the media can't be trusted. I mean, if you read this in the context in which she is living in England, she addressed this as part of her books in a fairly substantial way.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm.

[Buck Sexton]

And I'm Carol Markowitz.

[Clay Travis]

We've been in political media for a long time. Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

That's why we started Normalely, a podcast.

[Buck Sexton]

For people who are over the hysteria.

[Clay Travis]

And just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

We don't take ourselves too seriously, but.

[Clay Travis]

We do take the truth seriously. So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday.

[Buck Sexton]

And Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Podcasts, or wherever you listen.

[Clay Travis]

And a lot of discussion coming out of RFK Junior's testimony yesterday. And I thought that JD Vance actually did a really good job of contextualizing what is and is not considered science. And I wanted to play this this is a flashback to November of 2024. This is an assistant HHS secretary, Rachel Levine. What was this guy's name? Oh, the Admiral. What was his real name before changing himself to Rachel? I don't even remember.

[Buck Sexton]

You expect me to dead name on this program?

[Clay Travis]

Sir, I am leading you over the middle to dead name.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't know. I actually can't remember otherwise, but I felt like that was a Good. Plan B there, right?

[Clay Travis]

Like, yeah, let me look up. I actually want to make sure that we know what Levine's real name is. Admiral Levine. I'm typing it in right now in real time. Uh, and you even look it up, Rachel Levine. It doesn't even. I mean, this is just how crazy it is when you type this in that they won't even tell you what his original name was. He was married, he had two kids and then decided, oh, wait a minute, I'm a chick, and just started walking around in a women's Navy uniform. And everybody's just supposed to accept that that's real. And, and here he is saying, hey, Richard. Richard Levine. Dick Levine, ironically enough. There you go. This is a suicide prevention care. This is just so nasty that they did this. And this is why I think it's important to continue to reemphasize it. They preyed on the love of so many parents out there and they said if your kid, they would say this all the time. Do you want a dead daughter or alive son or vice versa? They made you believe that it, that you were going to cause your kids suicide if you didn't give them puberty blockers, if you didn't give them the ability to chop off their genitals, you were going to kill them. This is what they were saying as recently as November of 2024, when, when they say, oh, RFK Jr. He's anti science. Remember what they were saying? This was someone they put in power cut 13. What would you say to folks who think that they're being reasonable by saying.

[Buck Sexton]

Why can't children just wait till they're 18? Adolescence is hard and puberty is hard. What if you're going through the wrong puberty? What if you inside feel that you are female, but now you're going through a male puberty?

[Clay Travis]

The argument is, well, they're too young to know.

[Buck Sexton]

I want to make it clear that for prepubertal children there are no medical procedures done. The standard of care allows them to explore that with therapy. Well, gender affirming care is medical care. Gender affirming care is mental health care. Gender affirming care is literally suicide prevention care. Okay?

[Clay Travis]

Literally suicide prevention care. I mean, all of this is crazy.

[Buck Sexton]

And it also ignores the very clear data which shows that mental health outcomes for people who go through transition processes, when they look at them over a longer horizon, are incredibly negative. And it also doesn't address why do they call it gender affirming care? How is it therapy if the assumption when you go and Walk through the doors is, oh, you're having these questions. There's. Do they ever say, clay, you think in these gender affirming sessions, you know, maybe you're just going through some stuff and you're going to wake up in a few months and realize you're actually a dude and things happen to people and it's OK and you're going to get back on track here. No, it's how do we get you to change your name, grow your hair and tell everybody you're a chick as fast as possible? That's what happens. Does anyone doubt that for one second? By the way, this is one of the unfortunate side effects. I know we have some conservative psychiatrists who listen to the show because they always write it when I say this. Psychiatry is by far the most left wing medical specialization in this country. By far. Psychiatry and the District of Columbia have pretty much the same politics and political affiliation. Yes.

[Clay Travis]

And to your point, that's actually a lie that he was telling too, because we know that there were thousands of kids that were actually having top surgery, bottom surgery when they were minors. And this is why I think in the years ahead, you're going to see so many plaintiff lawyers filing lawsuits because most kids are a little bit uncomfortable as they are going through puberty, regardless of whether they're boys or girls. It is a really challenging time for almost all kids. I mean, your body changes in real time. And there's an ad out, I give credit to Jennifer say and her XXXY company, which is just basically saying, hey, men and women are different. I was watching an ad that she had that she posted which is saying, hey, here's a shout out to all the tomboys. How many of you out there that are listening to us right now, when you were 11, 12, 13 years old, girls thought, oh, I want to run around with the boys. Oh, I'm, I'm just a boy. I just like hanging out with the boys more than I do the girls. And then puberty hits and maybe you're a little bit uncomfortable with the idea of how much your body's changing compared to the boys that you may have been running around with before. And then you go to a doctor and he says, well, what's really going on is not you're just a little bit uncomfortable because transitions to adolescence are challenging for kids everywhere. It's that you are really a boy and we need to affirm the fact that you are a boy and we're going to pump you full of all sorts of hormones to try to keep your natural body from turning you into a growing young woman, and instead we're going to stilt your development. I mean, this is.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I just.

[Clay Travis]

Also, Barrick, it is barbaric that this was allowed to occur.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. And there are a lot of people who have done very bad things here in the name of health, healthcare, science, civil rights, even. I mean, they've really made this a cause on the left and they've gotten many people involved in it. Here's a part of the problem, Clay. Yesterday, I think we really focused on the lying dynamic, which is at the center of this whole thing. You have to lie about this stuff. You have to lie. You have to. You have to be. Who is the physicist who went on.

[Clay Travis]

Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

[Buck Sexton]

Neil DeGrasse Tyson. You have to. Neil DeGrasse Tyson, who's an astrophysicist, who, when asked, do men have a. Generally speaking, do men have a advantage over women in athletic competition? He's like, oh, I have no idea, sir. I've never even considered you. You have to lie.

[Clay Travis]

So we know you have to go to Gladwell.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, I like that as a verb. You got a. Yeah, well, that's tough. You know who would give you a high five for that? J.K. rowling, who should now probably come on the program sometime. Plus, you say her books are better. You say her books are better than C.S. lewis. So, like, you're really. You're really buttering up Rowling from afar. Okay, but Clay, the other part of this is. And this is also goes to the lie, but it goes to the science, which is that you cannot become a woman. Imagine if it were possible to do this. It would be an interesting ethical discussion on its own. Right. If you could give somebody cross sex hormones and truly transform them into something that is physically indistinguishable from a woman, there would still be this whole, like, should you do that? What are the risks of doing that? But that's not even what we're talking about. These people who are given the cross sex hormones and the surgeries never actually pass as women. They do not come across to the broader society as women. And I've had this debate. I've had this. People say, oh, well, you know, some, like some guys on dating sites will swipe right at them. It's like, well, because if you can use filters and you can. You can cheat in a photo, in person, you always know they never come across as women. So they're. There's a lie that's at the heart of all this. The whole Notion of gender affirmation skips the fact that the transition never works. And if. And if it's not about the physical transition, why go through the process in the first place? If it's an emotional state that must be respected, why do this? You know, the snip and the change and the. And the tuck and all these things that go on if it's not about the physical change? Well, the physical change is always insufficient. And that's part of this that never gets discussed. You cannot actually transition. It does not exist.

[Clay Travis]

So that is a lie. Also a lie. Basically, everything they told us during COVID So then how do you expect. And this is the big question that I asked, I think, Dr. Safire, the challenge that I think we face now is when you have been lied to to such an extent by public health experts. When they told you take your mask off when you sit down in a restaurant. You can eat, but you have to leave your mask on when you walk in and check in at the counter. And then magically you sit down and it's fine. When they told you that you could not go outside at all. And then George Floyd happens and they suddenly say, actually, it's imperative that you go out and join hundreds of thousands of people and march in close unison in the streets to protest against systemic racism. How in the world can you trust anything that public health authorities are saying now? And I think that is. We'll ask Dr. Latipo about this in a moment. But that's why I've got RFK Jr's back. I don't presume that he's right on everything. I don't. I don't presume that anybody's right on everything. But I'm willing to listen to him because he correctly diagnosed much of the wrong decisions that were being made in Covid. And so I find it somewhat. We were talking about this a little bit yesterday. Why do kids today get twice as many vaccinations as you and I got when we were babies? Buck, that seems like a question that's very legitimate to ask. And by the way, lots of vaccinations are good. We should stop polio from happening. That's a good thing, right? We should stop. We should stop things that can kill babies.

[Buck Sexton]

Vaccines are. And I'm excited for all the emails on this. I'm not saying all vaccines today, but vaccines as a general medical breakthrough have probably. And I'm taking this back now, 200 years have probably saved more human lives than any other medical advance in history just now. That doesn't mean that every, that you need 70 vaccines for your kids today. But it just, we got to keep it in perspective. There are vaccines, there have been vaccines.

[Clay Travis]

That are bad things. Really good. We want to keep everybody from getting.

[Buck Sexton]

We are decidedly anti smallpox on this show, like Clay's, anti murder and polio.

[Clay Travis]

There are a lot of things that it's very good that do not exist. But I do think it's fair to say, is it appropriate to give every kid twice as many vaccine doses today as your average kid got in 1980 when I was a baby.

[Buck Sexton]

We'll talk to Dr. Latapo about this. But I just think, for example, antibiotics, antibiotics as a general class of medication are incredible. And if you have certain infections, the fact that antibiotics exist are like a miracle. Now does that mean that every time you have a cold and I've, you know, you should be taking like a Z packet. Is there overuse of antibiotics? Are we creating antibiotic resistant bacteria with, you know, yes, there are problems, but that's a different thing than just saying I'm opposed to antibiotics. Right?

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Or that I think antibiotics don't have a place in the modern medical toolkit. So I just, we got to keep it in perspective here. There are various, there are some good vaccines and there are some worthless and bad vaccines and there are some vaccines that have been more dangerous than they were worth. And all this stuff is true, but it's not a. I'm, I'm a little, a little surprised sometimes at some of the emails that I get on this on this subject matter and then some of the reading material that I am sent. I'm like, I'm, I'm not, I'm not seeing this one. I got to tell you, not, not seeing it this way. And I'm somebody who, like I said, we're picking and choosing vaccines for speed based upon efficacy, based on what we think is, and I live in Florida, you know, what we think is a necessary or a better risk reward situation. I'm not just getting him everything. We're spacing things out. But you know, the, the I think the best way here is the reasoned middle ground on some of these things. Call me.

[Clay Travis]

Moderation very often is the key to all things in life. One might consider if you had to choose moderation sometimes can make a good sense. Look, we hit on, and I'm going to say I don't moderately watch football, I watch it all tomorrow, college football. I'm going to be on my couch at 11am Central and I'm probably going to watch games until 11pm at least. Central 12 hours off and on. I'll move, I'll get a workout in but for the most part I will be watching college football. And then on Sunday we got the NFL. In fact, we got the NFL tonight with the Kansas City Chiefs playing on the road against the LA Chargers in Brazil. Pretty cool game and we hit on two of our three week one Prize picks picks. We had Saquon Barkley get a touchdown and we had CD Lamb more than 70 and a half receiving yards. And so if Josh Allen on Sunday night against the Baltimore Ravens throws for more than one and a half touchdowns, we will all win. If you played along with us at 4.25 our initial initial picks. So you put in $10, you'll get back $42.50. I think I did the math there right? And right now when you sign up for price picks you get $50 automatically when you play $5. And I mentioned this earlier, Price picks believes they got a crazy idea. They think that everybody should sign up for this app and be able to play. They love Trump voters. They love you guys. Unlike fanduel who said, oh, Clay thinks men shouldn't be in women's sports. Cut him off. Prize Picks said, hey, we want to reach all of those Trump voters out there that also love sports. In fact, I would argue most sports fans are Trump voters. Price picks. You can play in Texas. You can play in California. You can play in Florida. You can play in Georgia. They like you guys. Like we like you guys. $50 when you play. $5. Use my name Clay. Go to prizepix.com right now. Use my name Clay. 13 million people signed up. You can play in 40 plus states including California, Florida, Georgia, Texas. You name it, you can play. Go check it out for yourself and hopefully you're now riding with us on the week one picks. PricePicks.com Code Clay stories of freedom.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

Third hour of play and Buck kicks off right now. Thanks so much for being with us everybody. Appreciate all of you listening to us here and we're gonna dive into a couple of stories. One is this boat. Well I guess we'll call it a a kinetic strike on a suspected narco vessel, narco terrorist vessel making its way through the Caribbean to some transshipment point to bring most likely fentanyl but could be cocaine, fentanyl, a whole bunch of different things on that boat into the United States. And Pete Hegseth, who's the secretary of defense and whom Clay and I know personally pretty well, he spoke about this because there is. Look, there's just some facts that to be aware of. This is an escalation. We've never done this before. This is so. It is new. This is not business as usual in fighting the cartels. We've never been in a position where we've used a immediate lethal force on a non immediate cartel or non immediate, you know, drug trafficking threat. Here is Secretary of Defense Hegseth speaking exactly about this or in specific about this, this situation. Play 20.

[Clay Travis]

What legal authority did the Pentagon invoke to strike that boat full of drug smugglers?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

We have the absolute and complete authority.

[Clay Travis]

To conduct that, first of all, just.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

The defense of the American people alone. 100,000Americans were killed and each year under the previous administration because of an open border and open drug traffic flow. That is an assault on the American people.

[Buck Sexton]

I said we smoked a drug boat.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And there's 11 narco terrorists at the bottom of the ocean. And when other people try to do that, they're going to beat the same fate.

[Buck Sexton]

What do you make of it, Clay?

[Clay Travis]

I think the question is how do we solve the issue of fentanyl coming across our southern border in particular, but also increasingly northern border? It's getting into the country. The drug war has failed. I think most of you out there recognize the drug war has failed. When I was younger and I think you were in this camp, Buck, my inclination was just to say we should legalize more drugs. We should spend less money fighting against it. But these drugs are so strong and so many relatively young people otherwise of good health are dying from them that I don't think we can allow it into our country. 100,000 people a year, again, overwhelmingly in their teens, 20s, 30s, 40s. People with decades of healthy life to go are dying from these drugs. So what do we have to change? We need a game changing element to truly alter things because what we're doing right now, frankly, isn't working. Now, securing the southern border is a huge part of this. We have now done that. It appears there still is a lot of fentanyl coming into the country. And I talked about reading a big story from the New York Times about how incredibly sophisticated the cartels have become when it comes to getting illegal drugs. I mean, they have submarines.

[Buck Sexton]

They've had submarines for a long time, Clay. They're using drones and they've been using drones at the Border for surveillance of our border patrol and even sometimes to do drops.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

And part of the problem. And, you know, I used to, going back a long time ago, I used to occasionally spend some time with the nypd. Co located with dea and we'd. Obviously, when you're sitting with DEA guys, what do you talk to them about? Drug cartel stuff. Right. Yeah, they were there just in case we needed them as a liaison during the counterterrorism work. But the things that we would talk about, the sophistication of the cartels was. Was extremely high. And one of the problems you have is even as seizures go up, so as you get more of the illegal drugs, it's a supply and demand curve. So price, street price can go up. So you have to, you know, keep in mind that if you were to. If we were to get one and. Or if we were to get rather three out of four drug loads and take them out of. Of circulation, it'd still probably be very profitable for the cartels to do what they're doing. That's the problem is that. Is that you have this very steep economic analysis. I mean, you brought this up in the context of if somebody thinks that they can feed their family for a year, are they going to. Are there going to be people willing to risk 20 years in prison to bring a few kilos of cocaine into this country on a fast boat or, you know, fentanyl, whatever it may be, the answer is yes. And for the cartels, even if there are seizures of cartel production, they can still make a whole lot of money if we were to double the level of seizures. So this is the challenge in trying to stop this stuff. It's. There's a lot of money to be made in this black market for drugs, which obviously is killing a lot of Americans.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I think the question I have, and I don't know the answer, but I think it's a worthy one to contemplate and debate. Does blowing up a speedboat that is filled with illegal drugs that reports are refused multiple commands to stop, by the way. So this was not completely without some sort of provocation.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I add to this, Clay? I think it's important we have this discussion because Reuters was reporting there have been. There's been a deployment of 10 fighter jets to Puerto Rico to fight against drug cartels. Now, that hasn't been confirmed, I think by the administration yet, but that's what the report that I saw in Reuters is. So the four, they're now moving and for deploying more assets that would be capable of doing these kind of strikes. So to your point, we better really be clear on. Is this something we have a constitutional. The president has a constitutional and legal authority. I mean those are one of the same, but legal authority to do. And what will the effects be on the war on drugs? I will say this. People say the war on drugs has failed. This does change the calculation. I think you pointed this out.

[Clay Travis]

This is my point. Yeah, this is my point.

[Buck Sexton]

It's a different thing to face getting blown up with a hellfire missile or whatever it is.

[Clay Travis]

My wife is pointing out also that we have, according to her, and she's kind of an expert on this from her law training. She says this is the first time that we have officially designated terrorist organizations that are dealing drugs as terror organization, which changes the rules of engagement. Now I'm quoting her.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, she's. She's correct. And this is when we remember, I think I, we talked to very high level intel sources in this administration. Clay was there for most of it. Unfortunately, when he showed up in flip flops to the White House, they had to turn him away. But I just want to get this, this legend started that Clay was just like, yo, dude, I'm here for the.

[Clay Travis]

I'm here for the high level. I still don't have a real ID and they would not allow me in to meet with the directors of intelligence.

[Buck Sexton]

We're going to go back to the White House probably like in the next few months. Can you please get a real id, sir? All right. I don't have to tell everybody. I'm going to have to tattletail on you to everybody again. Get a real id Clay.

[Clay Travis]

It's complicated. You have to make these appointments. I'm on the air for four hours every day. It's not that easy to just in the middle part of the day go get a real id. I have a passport. But my thing here, in addition to all of this is does it change the calculus? Every drug dealer and drug smuggler in America is going to see that video. And I think, I don't think it's irrational. Most people analyze risk, reward in everything that we do all day long. And one risk clearly of being a drug mule is you get caught and you go to prison and you potentially have to serve time.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I ask you an honest question? And I don't because I can't put myself in the, in the mindset of one of these drug mules or cartel employees, whatever. Whatever you want to call them. Does spending 25 years in a US federal prison seem Worse to them than maybe just getting blown up and getting all done at once. I'm being, you know, I don't know, I. That that could go either way. I think for some people.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I think it's a valid question. I think life risk is different. So I don't know. First of all, none of, unless you're a drug mule listening right now and you want to call in and tell us the drug mule thought process. As a rational person, my analysis of people who are drug smugglers is they see it as a way to make relatively short period of time, life changing money for both them and their family. And if you are required to risk time in prison, you at least know that at some point in time you can return to your family. I bet the cartels, I don't know this, but I bet the cartels give good payouts. Even if you get arrested, I bet they go back and take care of your family to try to encourage people to continue to take care of this risk. This is my theory.

[Buck Sexton]

Depends on what I think. If you're a mule, maybe not. But if you're somebody, if you're like a sicario, you know, somebody that's done really nasty stuff, cartels, they may do some of that. But Clay, I also think this is what I was going to say about the intel meetings and just the discussions that were going on in the White House. We have an incredibly, and I saw this up firsthand, we have an incredibly sophisticated counterterrorism. And by that I just to get more specific, our ability to track, surveil and blow up Al Qaeda style jihadis all over the world is pretty, pretty incredible. It has gotten to a point where the ability to hit HVTs in Yemen, in Somalia, in Pakistani tribal areas, and you name it, is. And there's a whole chain of events that lead up to it, right? I mean, you know, finding these people, surveilling these people a target set, having the. Whether it's drones or whatever it is we're sending in after them, it looks like this administration is gearing up to use that very sophisticated counterterrorism infrastructure and strike capability against the cartels who are now designated as narco terrorists. As your wife rightly points out. And that is a whole new level of something for the cartels to be considering.

[Clay Travis]

I think getting blown up changes the calculus. That's my ultimate analysis of the narco terror community. Because right now your worst case scenario is taking drugs. I guess your worst case scenario is the cartel could become angry at you and decide to kill you, which is why you do your job. But I don't think you're anticipating that your boat may get blown up. And so every narco terrorist in America is going to be seeing that video, and I think it's going to set off alarm bells. Here's the biggest problem, though. The reason why the drug trade exists is because there's lots of money to be made from the drug trade. And ultimately, people respond to incentives when it comes to making money. To me, the biggest challenge here is we haven't driven up the cost of bringing drugs in to the point where it exceeds the profit opportunity from the drug dealer. And that is ultimately why they're engaging in rational economic decision making, even if we disagree with the choices that they're making.

[Buck Sexton]

I would also point out that in discussions that I had with members of Border Patrol in years past, and particularly under the Biden free for all open border years, Clay, the cartels, at one point, or, you know, at a certain phase of this, when the border was just wide open with the 10 million coming in, were making more, they estimated, on human smuggling than on drug smuggling. So that means billions of dollars, billions and billions of dollars on effectively controlling their side of the border. The. The plaza, right? They break these up into territories, and you have to pay. And that's where the wristbands that I've seen, the cartel wristbands and giant piles on the ground. Because if you don't have that wristband, I mean, they'll pull you aside and execute you, right? I mean, you know, they'll do terrible things to you. So you got to have that wristband to show that you paid. But Trump has shut down that income stream. They're not coming into the country anymore that way, which means that now they have a greater desperation on getting money via the drug trafficking, which is made substantially harder as well, because the resources that were going to. To the humanitarian mission at the border, that is taking in illegals, making sure they're not, you know, dying of some disease or something like that. Now, that's all focused on the. So they have a higher need to make money off the drug trade, and we have a greater focus and resource on the drug trade. So, you know, this is a very different situation than it was even 18 months ago in terms of what the cartels are facing. And if we ramp up the strikes, the attacks and the pressure on them. This. This is a. This is a new phase. That's all I can. This is a. We have not seen something like this in a long time.

[Clay Travis]

Let Me also, I'm going to say this. Every time we have a discussion about drugs. You need to talk to your kids and grandkids. They are often dying without even understanding the drug that they're taking. So they can think that they're taking a party drug. They can think especially go off to college. You're often, you're in your 20s in a college town, uh, you're in a big city and you're off on your own. There are so many kids that are dying of poisoning, they're not really dying of overdosing because they're not, they're not taking what they thought they were taking. And you need to impress upon your kids that the intermixing between these highly dangerous, deadly drugs and the ones they think are party drugs, which are, they're going to be fine from and they're just going to have a great time. It's ecstasy ish, or it's cocaine or it's something that they're not afraid of dying from taking. They need to understand that there is a huge risk. And I. But this is a sign of how crazy it is. People who are huge party drug people are now using strips to check and see before they take their party drugs, whether it's fentanyl or not. I don't think there's a ton of college kids doing this. I don't think that's a die hard party drug person who's doing that testing. But there are people doing basically dying of poisoning, tens of thousands of them every single year. Your kids need to know about this.

[Buck Sexton]

We'll take your calls here. Coming up in a moment. Also get on some of your talkbacks. And we've got Dinesh d' Souza will be with us talking about his new movie, which I think you're going to want to hear about for sure. We'd like to cover the cultural angle of things here too. And you know, we've got, we've got amazing job Clay and I do doing this radio show every day. But you got to have a lot of energy, a lot of drive, a lot of focus. Believe it or not, we are voice athletes here. And if you saw Clay even tried to do all the chin ups and the pull ups and he got through them. You need to have a pretty good job, dude. Pretty good job.

[Clay Travis]

I thought pretty good for an old, old guy.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Hey there, I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm.

[Buck Sexton]

And I'm Carol Markowitz.

[Clay Travis]

We've been in political media for a long time. Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

That's why we started normally a podcast.

[Buck Sexton]

For people who are over the hysteria.

[Clay Travis]

And just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

We don't take ourselves too seriously, but.

[Clay Travis]

We do take the truth seriously. So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Podcasts, or wherever you listen soon.

[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in, everybody to Clay and Buck. We are joined by Dinesh d', Souza, author and filmmaker. His latest film, the Dragon's Prophecy documentary, is scheduled for release on October 9th, and we wanted to talk to him about it. Dinesh, I believe today it's 700 days of war between Israel and Gaza. This ties into your film. Tell us about the Dragon's Prophecy.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, the film is based on the idea that October 7th is not an ordinary attack. It's a kind of a biblical event. In other words, it's an event of ethical significance. And I think what the film does is it tries to raise the level of the current debate, which is a little bit stuck. You know, on the left, you keep hearing colonialism, colonialism, genocide. Of course, on the right, you have a different type of critique that is made of Israel. This film, what it does is it exposes the conflict in the light of ancient biblical battles between the Israelites and the Philistines. Now, very interestingly, the word philistine and Palestinian are connected. They're in fact the same name. And one of the things we expose in the film is the way in which the tactics of the Palestinians resemble the battles of the ancient Philistines. So it's a very creepy idea that the past is now back to haunt us in a new way. But we're throwing a kind of new light on these events, looking at it somewhat through the lens of the Bible.

[Clay Travis]

I was over there, Dinesh, and I know some people have had the opportunity to go visit the kibbutzes, the Nova Music Festival location. I mean, it's really unbelievable, I think, to see in person and crystallizes what exactly happened. I imagine you have some of that footage. I imagine that you also have traveled to Israel. What did you find when you have been to Israel itself as part of telling this story?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

First of all, we have October 7th footage that people have literally never seen. The opening scene of the film is so shocking that we have actually had some people who like get a bit squeamish about it. So there's a little bit of a graphic violence warning. Because the weird thing is after October 7, the Israeli government made the decision not to sort of release footage, even though some of it had been live streamed by Hamas. The Israeli government said, basically, we're going to bring in small groups of journalists, hoping that they're going to be fair and well meaning. We'll show them the footage so that they can. Then their eyes will be open, not realizing that these journalists from the BBC, from ap, from Sky News, very left wing, had no interest in taking a look at any of this footage or seeing its significance at all. So we begin the film basically by putting you right there in October 7th. Then we take you to the kibbutzes and we interview survivors, just a couple of them. But again, the stories are so haunting. Their first person. They're people who saw it with their own eyes. Because I think you can't discuss the war now without reference to a. The events of October 7th. And second, understanding the significance of those events.

[Clay Travis]

What do you think, Dinesh? Yeah, sorry. Speaking to Nash d', Souza, I was going to build on that. You mentioned the response on the right where some people are angry at Israel's response to Hamas. I don't think it surprises people necessarily that the left in many ways has taken the side of the Palestinians because they see them as brown, they see them as the colonized, they see Israel as the colonizer. It is not a bastardized version of history that they're applying. But what do you think about the anti Israel element of the right that now exists as well? What would you tell that those individuals.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, first of all, I would tell them I can kind of understand where they're coming from. Where they're coming from is that, you know, the United States has gotten involved in a lot of foreign entanglements and it's generally worked out pretty badly, at least in the last quarter century. Iraq, of course, a lot of these same conservatives are against the Ukraine war. So they're basically saying, well, why should we be for Israel? And you know, an indifference to what's happening in Ukraine. Either we're in or we're out. The second thing that they have is this concern that somehow the Israeli tail is wagging the American dog. Now, again, on the face of it, this is a little absurd, right? You have a country of what, 10 or 12 million people, it's got a gross national product, a tiny fraction of the US it's the size of New Jersey, it doesn't have anything like the weaponry we do. So how this little mosquito can somehow control the elephant is itself, like, baffling. Right? It doesn't make any sense. When I debated this with Nick Fuentes a few months ago, I told him, if the Jews could truly control America, maybe they are the master race. I was being sarcastic, but the point being that the shoe that was raised, I think legitimately by Tucker Carlson in his discussion with Ted Cruz is he said, are the Jews of today, like Netanyahu's Jews, the true descendants of, of the ancient Israelites? This is a topic that is completely settled in the movie. And we do it essentially through biblical archaeology. So we kind of take you into the archaeological digs. Part of it is, if I'm giving a biblical analysis of what's going on, I want to consider the skeptical question. How do we know the Bible is even true? How do we know that the historical events described in the Bible are even valid? Was there really a King David? Was there really an Isaiah and a Jeremiah? And this is a, an element that is shown in the movie, and it's a very fascinating part of the puzzle.

[Buck Sexton]

Speaking to Dinesh Souza, and we're talking about his movie that's come out, and Dinesh, why is it that the way this issue lines up is right after the October 7 events, and I mean right after, within certainly a few days, if not hours, you had people whom you would expect on the left and in the Democrat party saying, we need a cease fire. Which to me and Clay and I said this repeatedly on the show right away, this would have been like saying right after the towers had come down because of the mass casualty terror attack on 911 in this country, we need a cease fire with Al Qaeda. Like, now's the time to really just hold back and have it. It seemed crazy. And in most, the most obvious bad faith. Where does the left get this? Like, why is the left dug in on the side of Hamas and against Israel and the Jewish people in this country?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

The left in a way accepts the premise of the radical Muslims that Israel is the little Satan and America is the great Satan. So when they start from that premise, that's their starting out premise, they consider Israel to be an illegitimate occupier of that land. Now think how crazy this is, right? The Jews have been there for 4,000 years, since the days of Abraham. Sure, they went into a diaspora, but not of their own choosing. If the Jews had packed up and left, I'd understand people would say, well, you chose to leave, but they were pushed out, kicked out, burned out. So they fled and then they returned to their native homeland. So I think that. And then if you look at the example of America, you gave the example of 9, 11. But you could look at Pearl harbor, you could look at Germany. Imagine if we were to say after Pearl harbor, listen, there were only a few thousand Americans killed in Pearl Harbor. Why did the United States have to go to Japan and drop atomic bombs and was contemplating an invasion of Japan? How can you justify so many more Japanese civilian casualties compared to the relatively low number of civilian casualties? All of this is just like nonsense because basically Japan started it, an unprovoked attack. It's almost like if you or I have a home invasion and the guy comes in and he murders your wife, he rapes your daughter, he kills your kids, he runs away, you chase him, you grab your gun and chase him, he gets into his car, but then he comes out with his own wife and kids, sticks them in front of him and he basically goes, you can't shoot because you're going to have civilian casualties. And you'd have to say to that guy, well, listen, you are the one putting your wife and family in danger. I'm not aiming at your wife, I'm aiming at you, and deservedly so. And so you're using your own family as a human shield. So I think that in a way captures for me the kind of moral analysis to apply here. And that's why I find the kind of right wing critique of Israel in some ways very baffling, although I thrive very fair mindedly to engage it in the film.

[Clay Travis]

What is the end result here? I mean, Hamas still has 700 days coming up on the two year anniversary. Hamas still has over 20 or 20ish, I believe, hostages, including unfortunately likely dead bodies that they're holding onto. Is there hope in your mind for peace in the Middle East? Trump has now been in office for a while. There's been lots of talk about ceasefires and what some sort of resolution for this process looks like. Israel's been at war for nearly two years now. There's big fights inside of Israel over whether the supremely religious Orthodox Jews should be called up to fight because. Because they have mobilized so many troops, men and women, to fight. How does this end? What should be the conclusion?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I will say that if the Bible is correct, this problem fundamentally will not be solved. And by that I mean that it will remain a festering sore. And that's really odd, right, because the India Pakistan issue flares up, but then it simmers down. The Northern Ireland conflict has gone away. But somehow in all my adult lifetime, you've had American presidents marching over there with one peace plan after another, from Carter to Clinton. This stuff never gets sort of permanently fixed. Now, having said that, I think that Trump's idea, which is ultimately to fight this kind of deep, you can call it, you know, this jihadi enmity and replace it with sort of commercial prosperity. In other words, replace it with washing machines and small apartments and everybody gets a job. And the idea of maybe having an administrative authority that's made up of the other Arab countries in conjunction with the United States. So in other words, you've got Egyptians and Saudis and Jordanians kind of watching over Gaza. This is a kind of ingenious idea. To my knowledge. It's never been, not only tried, it's never been contemplated this week before. So I think Steve Witkoff, the, the envoy may be onto something. And it's possible that we're going to see progress. But are we going to see an ultimate solution? I don't think so.

[Clay Travis]

Dinesh. We appreciate the time. We encourage people to go check out the movie and we hope you have a fantastic weekend. The film's website is the dragons prophecy.com and it will also have limited theater.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

The the dragons prophecy film.com Ah, sorry, the drag.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I didn't read enough of the the link here. The dragons prophecy film.com we appreciate the time.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Thank you.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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