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Revolutionary spirit is becoming overwhelming in the United States. And today we're going to get into where that comes from, why it started and what you can do about it by reviewing Woke and Weaponized, a book by Robert Bortons today on the David Rutherford Show. Robert, welcome to the show. I'm really excited about digging into this issue. As everybody who's paying attention to what's going on in America right now knows. The activists that we're seeing all over the country, in particular in Minnesota, these are people that are trained activists and what it would appear by looking at their manuals, whether it's antifa or the socialist movements they come from, all of this originates basically in Marxist ideology. Now you and the award winning journalist Alex Newman got together and did a deep dive on this and wrote a book about the whole thing called Woke and Weaponized. And the sub title of that is How Karl Marx Won the Battle for American Education. Just start out. What made you want to dig into this and write a book about this?
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Yeah, David, I homeschool my three young kids and I just see this country going in the wrong direction and there's so many good hearted people that are trying to make it better for us, people like Donald Trump and you know, there's a lot of political pundits on the right and no, to fix a problem you have to understand the root cause. And a lot of times I see solutions that maybe, you know, correct an issue but aren't addressing the root cause. And so Alex and I wanted to go back to the root cause. How did we get to where we are today? Because you and I grew up in an America that is very different to than it is today. And it was shocking. You know, we know that the kind of the teachers unions and the Department of Education and all that, but we actually traced it back to the 1820s. We went back and looked at the 1950s in the United States and if you think that US aid is something new and all that corruptions, the Marxists were using it similar programs in the 1950s. And so there was a report out called the Reese Report. And so in order to, you know, correctly identify solutions to the problems we see in this country and to understand, you know, what's going on in Minnesota, you know, how did a socialist get elected governor or mayor in New York City? How do we have, you know, people like AOC in Congress? We have to figure out how did our country go from liberty to a country that is embracing these collectivist ideologies. And so we did a ton of research in this book so that we can bring you the facts, you know, that, that we draw out and just weave it through history so you understand the things that are going on today. And then, you know, people know our education system is broken. But what this book does, that very few books have done before, it is try to outline things, especially Christians and churches can be doing in the future to make sure that we are leading our children in the way they should go. So we felt like it was time to address these issues head on so that our children and grandchildren would have the same country to grow up in that we had.
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I, I, I love that initiative. I mean, I, I everywhere. And I travel the country every year. You know, I'm on the road almost every week speaking and, and interacting with people from all different states, all different backgrounds. And the thing that seems to be the most common reality, whether, you know, know people are conservative, liberal, libertarian, whatever, the independent, whatever they are, is everybody's kind of displeased with the educational system. They realize that what they studied Even, you know, 20 years ago, is radically different than, you know, what their kids are being exposed to now. I, I mean, I even see it. My four children go to a, a private school, you know, and, and I, I chose not to send them to the public schools because they've deteriorated where the hopes. But there is this kind of underlying globalist ideology that's being promoted and, and not quite as dramatic as teaching socialism or, you know, propping Marxism up or anything like that, but you could see, you can see the undercurrents of it. You can see how it's kind of the, because it's an International Baccalaureate program and how those have fused into it as well. And I was listening to your latest podcast on the Refining Rhetoric podcast, and I recommend everybody check that out where you and Alex were talking about this, this idea that, you know, it's started really with this guy, you know, Robert Owen, back in the day, in the, in the 1800s, and why he created this idea. Could you drill down on that so people can understand that it's not just the natural progress of technology or the natural progress of, or, or the limited learning capacity of modern students? Because of technology, whatever that is, but that this is a focused thing that took place.
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Yeah. And so people need to understand that our public school is not failing. It's wildly successful. It's just wildly successful in the founder's vision of what it was going to do to our country. Not wildly successful at teaching kids how to read, write and do math. So most people have heard that our public school system came from Prussia. Most people have no idea what Prussia is because it's a country that doesn't exist anymore. But it was Germany Pre World War I, effectively. And they, they got this idea of public education from a guy named Robert Owen who was a collectivist. And Indiana in the 1820s, we, you know, went and got the documents that he wrote. His collectivist commune, like many, failed just after a couple of years. And he blamed the fact that children were being raised by their parents and so they hadn't been conditioned for this collectivist ideology. And so most people, you got to understand prior to the year 1800 and really prior to the year 1850, almost everyone in our country was homeschooled or went to a kind of a Christian school that was held out of their church. And so he basically, through his writings basically identified a trinity of evil that could only be corrected if a, a very strong public school system was enacted in the US and that the relationship between parents and their children could be cut off so that they could be engaged in this collectivist ideology. And, and the trinity of evil that he was fighting against would not be recognized by any of us. But they were religion, private property and family or marriage. And so today, and why the subtitle is. Or why Karl Marx one is because, you know, more than half of kids are born out of wedlock. If you're successful in this country by any means, you're probably paying 50% of what you earn in taxes. So private property is basically gone. Right. And only about 34 of kids can read at grade level. And you know, different surveys show that Gen Z is embraced socialism. So all, all three ideas that Robert Owen had, they brought them into Prussia. Then people like Horace Mann brought those out of Prussia and brought them here to the United States with funding from groups like uh, the Rockefellers and the Ford foundation and infused it into our teachers colleges in the 1950s.
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Let's, let's go to that alone. So obviously with the industrialization, I mean, you know, Marx and Angles were prolific, you know, just writing a ton. 1840s, 50s, 60s, 70s. I think, you know, the manifesto really launched during that time late 1880s, spread all through Europe, moved its way around. And then in the early 1900s, you really started to see the ideas of. Of. Of communism begin to take hold in these. These different factions that were. These revolutionaries that were beginning not only in Germany, but you saw them in England, you saw them in, in France, in Spain, you saw them all through Eastern Europe as a result of the Industrial Revolution, because what we had the Aggregarian society move into the cities to look for better money, more secure, which then pulled the fathers out of the families. And now all of a sudden you're. You're collectivized as the working man, which then translated into, well, we're being oppressed. We need to bond together. So how was it that the ins. The end. The. And I'm getting there, trust me. How is it that the. The leaders of the industrialization, I. E. The Rockefellers and all the other people that were building the modern industrialized way, why would they then come in and want to facilitate an educational system that ultimately would work against them? You know what I mean?
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Yeah, yeah. So why would they want to bring in someone who didn't like the proletariat and. Yeah, and that idea. Ideology. And so what they needed was obedient workers. And they saw that, that in communism, it's not that everyone has the same thing, it's that there's the rulers who have all the power, and then there is the workers who do whatever the rulers say. Otherwise they don't get the bread and housing and, you know, whatever goods the civil government wants to give them for. For being good citizens. So, so they wanted to bring people in because they. What they saw was, and they've been quoted saying this is basically they wanted to merge the Soviet Union or Russia at that time with the United States. And the only way to do that was through education. And so what they wanted was obedient workers who would be willing to do very dull jobs in a factory that was very dirty for an extended period of time. And so someone who is educated in the classical method of, you know, reading the greats and understanding freedom and humanity, that would be a person who's probably unlikely to be willing to sacrifice their life for being a corporate slave making minimum wage. So, so that was kind of their ideology of bringing it in so that they could amass more power to themselves. So a lot of people say, yeah, why do these rich people like this? Well, because they can stay rich and even get richer off of these ideologies. And so that was. That was part of it, part of it was they, they basically what Russia was doing is they would be bringing journalists over and these different education thought leaders and they'd be bakes. They basically made fake towns that they would bring them in to. And so they would visit a fake city, all the kids would be smiling, happy, the citizens would be great. The grocery stores are filled, you know, all the things that you would see that you would think you would want to see or show someone. And then the rest of the country's bankrupt because of it. But, but they got this fake basically idea, you know, fake news back then, as we have fake news now. So the more things change, the more they say the same. And so they, they were shown a lie, they believed a lie and could use it to further their own powers and increase their own business. So that was the ultimate reason for that.
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Thank you for that. Obviously, as the Bolshevik revolution exploded, took over Russia, the infighting began, Lenin dies, Stalin emerges, Trotsky gets exiled. Right, And Trotsky ends up coming back to the United States with his influence, really. Right. Even though he was out of the United States. But that influenced the Trotskyites, if you will, which ultimately became, you know, the, the beginning of the modern day neocons, which were, you know, commingled now at major universities and institutions. And you talk about that in the 1950s, how pervasive was, was that infestation into universities of kind of the Marxist ideology within the educational system? Do you have any sense of how large that was and how prevalent? Prevalent it was?
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Yeah. So appendix B of our book goes through a lot of this in very great detail. But, but really what Russia noticed was in the Marxists in general, the collectivist, was that us couldn't be taken over without really getting to the kids in the education system. So, you know, I've heard numbers of roughly 80% of the resources that the communists use to try to infiltrate us. You know, obviously they attacked Hollywood as well, but you know, if they put 20% of their money into Hollywood, they put 80% into education. And so, you know, it started with the teachers colleges. So, you know, you didn't need a lot of people to have their minds changed. So if you can get the teachers colleges minds change, then they're going to be the ones writing the curriculum. They're going to be the ones teaching the next generation of teachers. And so, so that's, they did a really targeted attack at the independence of Americans through, through their strategy. And so, so it was a significant investment there. And it perforates itself today. I mean, Just look at the teachers unions where, you know, 100% of their money goes to collectivist causes. You know, they've adopted the communist fist and, you know, nearly all of their graphics today. And so it's just. It's been a. It really has been a long march through our institutions. But, you know, it really was some of the richest men in America that financed it through these nonprofits that they started. They used US grant money to bring these ideologies into the university, and then they've slowly been spreading it. So. So that really, you know, any of us who have been educated, you know, in the last 40 years or so through the public school system have. Have one that's been saturated with this collectivist ideology. And now we see kind of the fruit of that, because it takes a while, right? We had a Christian culture that established. Right. And it takes a while to wean that down. And so finally, really, over the last 10 years, since really the Obama administration, have we seen that kind of Christian culture. Really, that benefit has waned completely, nearly. And this. That's why there seems to be a real quick flip. But it wasn't really a quick flip. It was over time. And so they are, they, these protesters, they're trained Marxist, and it's something that's taken over our world. And, and the. The idea is private property. They think private property is evil. They think it's the root of all evil. And so that's ultimately what they're trying to get rid of.
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It's interesting you say that. So much of what you said was just provoking thoughts as you're going. And you're right. But what a lot of people have, you know, you have to understand is that the private property is the individual. It's the individual soul. This is a deeper. It's not just, you know, when people hear collectivists or socialists. It's not. It's not. It. It's your. You're the private property that they want to overcome. And, you know, those ideas of our faith, our family, our communities are the boundaries for that. It was interesting. You talked when you were talking about the influx of rich people paying for these ideologies coming in. My parents both went to University of Michigan and were there from 64 to essentially 68. 67. 68.
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I'd have known my parents. I was born in Michigan.
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Oh, really? Whereabouts?
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Ann Arbor. I was born in Ann Arbor Hospital.
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There you go. There you go. But it's funny, that was during the times of Abby Hoffman and the. Really the. I think a seed of the counterculture revolution, the, the anti war movement. Right. The civil rights movement. And when you dig into those and you really look at the underbelly of funding, where a lot of that came from was, was leftist Marxist organizations and funding. And there's a. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the Martyr Maid podcast, but with Daryl Cooper, fantastic podcast, he actually does this really amazing. I think it was like six part, four hour each podcast history of, of the Jim Jones experience. Right. The, the drinking, the Kool Aid. But it was this really interesting, you know, was the timeline of his indoctrination going from just an Indiana religious Christian to this radical socialist ideology, you know, ideological nut job, you know, on meth for 10 years.
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Right.
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And. But he describes subsequently what was taking a part around him societally and those, the, the different revolutions that were taking place where a lot of like college kids initially thought they were just, you know, doing what was right, protesting the Vietnam War, protesting equality, when really the undergirders of, of all of these were radical Marxist ideologies that were well funded. And so, you know, it, I think it led to kind of the demise of the movement with the, you know, where they started bombing local facilities that, you know, you had the Weatherman, the underground, the Weatherman group, you had a bunch of the Black Panther movement, became this radicalized, violent group that wanted to pull down. They were, you know, anarchists essentially. They all moved into that, which is what all this is at its core. But the interesting thing for me was, you know, post 1975 people, the fatigue of this was so substantial that it almost seemed like there was kind of this reaction to it and the, the movement kind of faded out. And then we saw what this resurgence of maybe American populism in the 80s, right. And for that brief time we really, you know, then the fall of the Soviet Union and then it was the 90s where the idea I really began to see of political correctness, which is a socialist communist idea in its core, started to emerge. But, you know, and you started now this next wave of it that's going through, which is now the Millennials, Gen Z and whatever the next group, which is, you know, the, the Gen Z group, they rough estimates millennials, what, 80 million people. It's bigger than the boomers. When in the modern series of events, let's call it from the fall, the Soviet Union until now, did you guys find the real shift where what was being taught was moving towards these, these ideas?
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Yeah, I mean, so we didn't look as much on the modern issues because we wanted to go through the history, but, but what happened was the collectivists clearly were losing with the fall of, you know, the fall of the wall and the USSR breaking apart. And so they had to retreat and, and regroup. And we had, you know, Margaret Thatcher and, and Ronald Reagan. But, but just prior to Ronald Reagan getting in, they started this Department of Education at the federal level, which really codified the kind of Marxist power inside of the federal government, inside of our education system. So like any good bureaucrat does when the other side's in power, you just keep your head low. You, you push papers as slow as you legally can to stop them from changing anything that you want to do in the future. And you just try to keep your job. And so, you know, whether you had, you know, Common Core, which kind of came out of this, uh, was uh, another kind of rewrite of, uh, laws, the Every Child Succeeds act, uh, which was passed in the 60s. And uh, so that was their kind of next time to try to collectivize, uh, education in the United States, that they really put a lot of effort and energy behind that. The same thing, you know, this idea of social emotional learning, you know, that, that is so prevalent today, that actually came out from a guy named B.F. skinner. That's, that you may have talked about before on this show. But, but all of these ideas kind of have been able to be codified kind of one, through the teacher training programs and, and through the, the rise of technology has allowed this as well to proliferate. I mean, just think about like how addicted Instagram or Facebook or social media it is. It's all using these psychological triggers that are in, in us. And so they're using that in education. And really again, there's about 15 to 20 years there where the Marxists and leftist collectivists were keeping their head down because things weren't going their direction. But really with the election of Barack Obama, and he was a trained Marxist, that was when they went full bore and they had eight full years to really put all of these things in place to really change the tide to what we see today. And the fact that only 34% of kids can read at grade level, it's not accidental, it's intentional. Because if you can read, then you can dictate your own life. And it's very much more difficult for a group of elites to control you. And so they've, they've intentionally picked bad ideas to implement in the, in the colleges. And so our teachers, even if they want to Do a good job. My wife was a public school teacher for 10 years when she started homeschooling our kids and reading the classical conversations books on how to teach a kid. She's like, they never taught us any of this in four years of college. They never taught us how to pass on knowledge to the next generation. All they taught was how to manage classrooms. And so it's absolutely been intentional the whole entire time. I mean, just look at President Trump, all the things he's trying to do, all the, you know, bureaucrats and lawyers and all the people who are stymying him. And so, you know, we have an entrenched Marxist bureaucrat bureaucracy in our country and, and we got to get rid of it. And so it never leaves. Sometimes it just goes into hiding.
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That. That's a fantastic response. Thank you, Robert. All right, so how are they deceiving parents right now? How are parents not aware? I mean, obviously, if all you got to do is look at, you move into an area, first thing you do is you go online and you look at what schools and their ranking systems and, you know, all of this, which is all manipulated, right? They've got schools where I'm from that are like a rated, that I know for a fact are horrific. And they're, you know, know the, the quality, like you said, of, of grade level competency is abysmal, but yet they're still getting these A ratings. And so it helps people move into areas. How, what, how layered is the deception at the local level?
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Yeah, I mean, it's, it's been completely, I mean, it's a mass scop really, if you break it down. So we at the very beginning of the book, have a 8th grade graduation test from 18, 1995. And so when people say, oh, you know, my grandmother used to, they only got 8th grade educations, I was like, if you go look at what she had learned by eighth grade, it's more than most master's degree students have learned, you know, God. I mean, it really is, I mean, your, your master's degree in feminist, you know, literature, you don't know half of what your grandma knew with just a simple eighth grade education that was given in a one room schoolhouse. And so it's been, you know, a systemic, you know, really reduction in expectation in children over, you know, decades. And so most of us were raised in a system that had low expectations compared to 10 years before us and, and 10 years before that. And so now we don't even know what a good education would look like or how long it takes or how to even educate the next generation. And so like, just think about this. Like when you and I were going to school in kindergarten or first grade, our parents would not have dreamt of sending us to the public school if we couldn't have, like, couldn't read. Like, we would have had a good amount of reading versus now they have kids that are entering the second and third grade level whose parents have never even thought about teaching them how to read because they think it's the school's responsibility. And so, yeah, absolutely. I mean all these schools are graded on a curve and so. And they're graded against low standards. So yeah, your A rated school might be the best school in the area, but it would be, you know, a D rated school 100 years ago. So it really is just this, this I. This. There's this whole idea the states, you know, it used to be in America when public schools first got started, David, we didn't cover this too much in it, but it was all counties as counties. So you know, your school board picked the curriculum. They, you know, this parents helped interview the teachers. Like it was county oriented. You know, it was, you know, maybe the county paid some of it, parents paid some of it, the local businesses paid some of it. And then they said, well, if we could centralize this at the state level, then we could provide, you know, equal outcomes for everyone. And so then we started seeing these state take it. And then they controlled the curriculum, they controlled who you could hire as a teacher. And so they took this idea of like this, you still have these school boards that you can go yell at once a week if you want to, but they don't have any actual power really to change anything other than deciding what color to paint the gym. I mean they have so much is being controlled by the state and then the federal government, even though only about 10% of public spending, your public schools bills being paid by the government, they put in all these hoops for the state to jump through to get their 10%. Who doesn't want more money for the kids. And so, I mean, there are states that are looking, and I know North Carolina is one of them trying to research does it actually cost more to comply with these federal laws to get the federal funding than it does to actually, actually get the money. And so it's just been this, you know, people will say we want to help the kids and this is how we're going to help the kids. And then they get. And it sounds good, but it doesn't work in practice. And so it's just continually gotten to the point now where, where we know no better. I mean, it's just like boiling frog, right when you first put them in the pot, it's cold and then it gets, gets super hot. But he hasn't noticed the, the change at all. Or you know, how they, I think what train sheep are, right, they start with big pens and then start putting them in smaller and smaller pens. And so that's just been happening and, and you and I haven't lived in a world where we knew any different and our parents may have had a glimpse of a better world before all this happened. But, you know, pretty much anyone who was born after 1940 has no recollection of an education system that wasn't controlled and financed by the collectivist.
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Unbelievable. Thank you for that. I. What it's funny when you're talking about school boards. When I first got out of the teams, I worked for Blackwater for a little while and then I started, I wanted to work with kids because, you know, you go overseas to these war torn countries and you just see the destitution of hope because no one's able to get an education. And so I'm like, all right, I want to, I'm going to work with kids. I'm going to really help kids. And whatever I learned going through the SEAL teams and try to extrapolate all those positive attributes of hard work and dedication, resilience, all that piece, and I'm going to teach it to kids. So I wrote my first book, which was a kid's book, and it was about self confidence. And so I started doing programs at the Y and at, you know, Boys and Girls Clubs and anybody that would take me, I'd go and I'd speak. And I remember eventually I got to a place where I was able to go present. I had got raised some money and I'd developed basically an eight, an eight episode, like, you know, public access TV show which taught the eight components of self confidence. And I produced this and I went. Someone got me in touch with the Palm Beach County School Board. And I went up and I pitched the idea, hey, let's put this on. They had just started, you know, the education network within Palm beach county schools that was being broadcast in all the schools. I was like, hey, let's develop something that so I can teach this type of curriculum. And it wasn't academic, was. It was just self confidence, right? It was just, how do you teach a kid to have more self confidence? And especially in that middle school age, and one of the video, the opening video, I come out of the water and I've got dive tanks and, you know, wearing a dive knife. And I'm sitting around this table, and I'd had like 18 calls and met with people, and I'm finally at the table to talk about development. And the head of curriculum, she looks over and she goes, now I don't think this is going to work because, you know, there's too much of a underlying concurrent of violence in it. And I'm like. I'm like, excuse me, what are you talking about? She's like, yeah, you're, you know, you're wearing, you know, the dye. You're wearing a knife. And we don't want to promote that. And, you know, you. You've got tattoos and we don't know about that. And they just eviscerated as it. I ended up finding out that they didn't want to expose children to a special operations guy because they thought I would be a recruiting for va, you know, I'd indoc them into a violent mindset or. Or whatever it was. And it wasn't just. It wasn't just public school system because I had access into the private school system, you know, all over the Northeast and stuff. And I was getting pushback from those schools as well, too, which were way more radicalized than the public school system because, you know, they're. They're essentially indoctrinated. And that's when I. And this is 2006. That's when I realized, oh, there's something going on here. There's something really pervasive in what they're restricting from allowing these kids to learn. And fast forward, you know, 20 years now, I. My kids come home, they're doing a chapter on World War II or Civil War, and I'm like, all right, tell me what you learned. And they're learning this cursory, like, whatever that's rooted in the demonization of the American, you know, whatever in there. And I'm just like, what is going on? But obviously, based on what you've learned and what we all feel like we're seeing, this is a legitimate. This is legitimate activism, pulling our kids away from being educated in the right capacity.
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Yes. You got to realize that our country was founded on the principles of private property. And that was extremely radical. Is the first country in. In history, or at least the first country in 4,000 years that was founded on this ideology of private property. And we went from. From a outback country with just a few hundred people to A, a superpower in, you know, 150, you know, years or so. And so during that time, yeah, the collectivist, you know, saw this and saw that private property rights were, were destroying it. Like how if you have a king, you don't have private property because the king owes everything. Right. If you have a monarchy and if you have a collective estate, like, you know, USSR or something like that, China, then it's the leaders, it's those in power that own everything and everyone else is, you know, assign their, their position based on, on, on those things. And so it's ultimately like through the Skinner psychology, they want everyone to behave the exact same way. And that if you step out of line, then you are going against the collective good. And so that's what we saw in Covid that literally for 12 years in public school, and I'm sure most private schools as well, because of this classroom management that they're teaching teachers. It's not actually classroom management. It is teaching an individual to not be an individual, but to be part of the collective. And the worst thing you can do if you're part of a collective is to go against that collective. And so ultimately, that's the message that is being taught implicitly in our schools, even if it's not explicitly being taught through a curriculum. But again, I mean, you've got guys like Bill Gates who've spent hundreds of millions of dollars writing school curriculum and getting it adopted into the school systems. You've got like the United nations and the World Economic Forum, right? They make these rules and then they get adopted and they then get their ideology written into our national standards and our curriculums and the ACT and sat, you know, they, they make, make tests that let you get into college and they form those to a Marxist ideology. Like I remember when I took it, you know, in the late 90s, taking my SAT, there's a couple questions. I knew what the right answer, I knew the answer that they wanted me to ask was, but it was very clearly Marxist ideology in the question sets. And so everything that they're trying to do is condition you to not buck the system so that you'll, you'll be an obedient worker bee in wherever they want to put you. And that's not human flourishing. That's not being made in the image of God. And those are the things that will allow us to, you know, become once again a country that respects individuals. And we can see this kind of wokeness get pushed back. But it didn't take, didn't come overnight. And it's not going to get fixed overnight.
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Very well put. It's funny, I just, you know, was watching all of the speeches given at the, at the end Davos last week in the world economic and Randy Weingarten speech again, unhinged rant about collectivism is, you know, even Larry Fink's talking about curriculum and all these. They're like, we got to permeate this curriculum in a deeper level even now. One of the interesting things, and this is the last little question before we talk about the path forward is you. You look at what's emerged in Minnesota or dating back to 2020 in the BLM riots or you, you know, the no Kings rally. And I find it hilarious that, you know, know when Obama. No riots. Right. You did have the, the Tea Party movement and then there was kind of the. What was the one. The One per. The 99 percenters in Wall Street.
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One percent occupy.
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Yeah.
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Occupy Wall Street.
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And then under Trump. Right. Protests all the time. Modern Trump protests all the time. Seems like the indoctrination of these Marxist collectivist ideas over the last 20 years are now emerging where you have a real activist population. That is now they've taken the, the, the propaganda, the indoctrination process. Now they're in kind of the next phase, right. Which Yuri Breznavos. What we've got demoralization. You know, the, the, the. I forget what the second one is. Demoralization. Then it's what, decolonization? No, I forget what it is. But then there. The action phase. Right, the action phase where now they're pushing back against the totality of the system. Right. Do you. When you're, you're writing this book, I mean, it must really just. You already had the instinct that the whole landscape was what it was, but when you see what's going on, you know, you realize it's directly correlated to the influence of these young kids over the last, you know, their entire educational system. Can you talk a little bit about that?
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Yeah, I mean, you know, there's obviously paid agitators, but then there's just the people that go along or the people who are able to, you know, be kind of tricked into going along against their better instincts. And it really is, it's just part of the, it's. It's part of this collectivist plan they've got. They've gotten root and now that they have to. They have to push back on it. And so this is kind of. It's almost always like a last stand. And so, you know, when I mean, just look like Obama, like he deported more people than Trump has. And Tom Holman, who's Trump's, you know, lead guy, was also Obama's. He gave him a medal. Well, they, they weren't activated at that time. They, they were told to stand down and, and just lay low because they were the ones in power. And so they have, they will use our, our morals against us so that when we're, when we're in power, they talk about these ideas of fairness and equity and all these things, but it's only so that they can get their voice that they get their foot in the door. But as soon as they get in power, they're going to shut all that down. And so what we're seeing is they recognize that Donald Trump, unlike any president in my lifetime, even more than Reagan, I believe, is actually going after this in encroached deep state that, that has been taken over by the Marxists, you know, through, over the period of time. And so, so this is a battle that they must win. And so they can, they're, they're willing to sacrifice people. They're willing to send their worker bees to the front line, you know, incite violence. Right? And if they, you know, tragedies that have happened, you know, those, those are intentional. They, they want medium moments and they don't care how many of their people that they've brainwashed, it has to take for them to maintain power. And so ultimately it's, it is, it's a silent war. That's what our Appendix B is called. Written by military specialists talking about this Marxist plan and how to indoctrinate our country and take it over from the inside out. And this is just another step in that, that this collectivist idea of, uh, us versus them. And yeah, so they know that they are more eyes open than many conservatives on what's actually going on.
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What is the pathway forward?
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Yeah, the pathway forward is for fathers to start taking, you know, control of their children's education, whether it's homeschooling or private schooling. It's churches stepping up, creating, you know, education funds to get kids out of public schools. Make sure you have scholarship funds to send your kids to a private school or start a private school. Invite Christian co ops, you know, homeschool groups to join your community. It's allowing things like tax credits so that you can, you know, donate to, to scholarships funds. It is, it is ultimately going back to, you know, God gives children to, to parents and parents need to take responsibility for raising them. And then it's the church and local community. That doesn't mean the state, that doesn't mean the federal government. It means people you can touch and feel in your geographical area to step up and do it. So we have the money, we have the people, but we don't have a vision. And so that's really what we're doing in those last three. And it's a lot of it starts, I mean the pastors were the ones who stepped up and preached, you know, from, from the pulpit during our Revolutionary war and, and showed the people that God wanted us to be independent, that, that we needed to rely on Him. And so it's ultimately the pastors need to step up, stop being afraid of the teachers union and fear God and tell families that they can, they can't send their kids to Caesar anymore for an education that they need to figure out and, and work as a team for a plan to give them a, a solid Christian education outside of the Marxist captured public school system.
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Brilliant answer. All right, what, what do you think is, what will be the catalyst in your mind for, you know, I don't want patriots, red blooded America, whatever that is, for people to recognize what the pattern of what's going on to really begin to go at the system or away from the system to generate their new metrics. We had talked about before we came on the size of the homeschooling. You said it's about 5 million people that's had massive growth over the last 10 years. What do you believe the, the catalyst will be that, that pushes people into real motivation that to, to move away from the traditional system.
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Yeah, I mean I think we're already kind of seeing that as people get more exposed to what's going on. But then you have, you know, the right person gets elected and you think the system's fixed, but it's still, still not there. And so ultimately, I mean, I hope in reading the book Woken Weaponized is going to help give you the courage to make harder decisions for your families. I think more people are, are having these conversations, but we have to understand like the public school system can't be reformed because it's doing exactly what it was designed to do. And that's the main thing I want people to get out of this book is, is, is not failing. It is wildly successful because it was a collectivist system designed to rid America from its Christian heritage and to destroy private property rights. And that's ultimately what the founders of the system, the founders of these teachers unions wanted to get out of it. And that's what we see happening all around us today. So when you know the history, do something about it. Make different choices. You are going to have to make a sacrifice. You're going to have to make decisions that might not be popular with your in laws or your neighbors. But until we take personal responsibility for raising our children and make sure that the Marxists are not indoctrinating them because they will, they are happy to do it for you, I promise we will continue down this path and our children and our grandchildren will not live with the same prosperity that you and I grew up with.
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C
Roger that. All right, Robert, where can people buy the book? How can they continue to follow you? And what, what can they do to initiate their, their increased education on, on the fight back.
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Yeah, yeah. This is the most important fight. Whoever can, you know, whoever understands education the best and what it does is, is going to control the future. Another way of saying it is the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. And so, yeah, go to woken weaponized.com or go to Amazon, search Woken Weaponized. We're trying to get to the number one book so that it gets a lot of publicity and more people read it. You can follow me. The Robert B. Show on X and I have my Refining Rhetoric podcast. We do one podcast every single week. And we're actually in the middle of a school choice week podcast, so we actually got five going out this week. But those are the ways to get a hold of me. And of course, go to classicalconversations.com, enter in your zip code, and we'd love to get you talking to a local homeschooling mom or dad who can help you get started today.
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C
Outstanding. Thank you so much, Robert, for what you're doing and making American parents aware. God bless you.
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Yeah. Thank you, David. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.