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David Rutherford Show: “The Biggest Election Scandal in U.S. History” — Ralph Pezzullo Reveals the Global Conspiracy Undermining America
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Moves Easy choice the most significant story in US history, all encapsulated in this book. Mr. Ralph Puzzullo, today on the David Rutherford Show.
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Ladies and gentlemen, one of the things that you have to begin to come to grips with is that our country is in peril. We are under attack from a collective conspiracy that expands the entire globe. And my guest today is a man that had the courage to partner with the two men that have conducted the most intense international investigation around the world, to bring their story to life in a way that. That you and I can understand how catastrophic the situation is that we face within our election systems, not just in America, but worldwide. So without further ado, it's my honor to welcome New York Times bestselling author of over 30 books and one of my favorite books of all time, a book called Jawbreaker, about Gary Bernstein, who ran the invasion in Afghanistan. Mr. Ralph Pizzulo. Sir, thank you so much for coming on the show today.
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Ralph Pizzulo
David, it's a pleasure and thank you for your service to our country, and it's really an honor to be here.
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David Rutherford
I appreciate that. You know, what's interesting is we, you know, we all hit a point. I think, over a period of time, the more we're aware of.
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Just how nefarious the world is, that, you know, we begin to realize, wow, there are organizations, countries, political leaders.
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International criminal consortiums that are participating in all different types of things that not even are just illegal, but are outright scandalous and treasonous. But this one, in my opinion, is the biggest story in American history. This is something that if we don't get our hands around, the country's over. Could be the next election, could be the one after that. So could you first tell the audience how this story fell into your lap and what compelled you to want to do it?
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Ralph Pizzulo
Okay, well, as you. As you mentioned, David, I've known gary Bernson for 20 years, and he is just an amazing person. Probably the greatest CIA operations officer of our generation, and, you know, a very thoughtful, dynamic person. Right. So, you know, Gary and I talk over the years and visit one another when we're nearby, but this came through his partner. So in last, I guess it was May or April or May, I had a friend from the DEA who was. I live in Los Angeles, and he was visiting, and he said, I want you to meet a friend of mine for lunch. He is the greatest source that the DEA has ever had. He has helped us solve so many drug cases. The guy is a genius. I said, sure, I'd love to meet him. So we go to Lunch. The gentleman is named Martin Rodill. He is Venezuelan by birth. And we start talking, we kind of hit it off right away. And I said, what are you working on, Martin? And he goes, election fraud. For three years, I've been investigating election fraud. And of course, my ears perk up because there's a lot of Americans, like, I'm sure you as well, David. You know, I had questions about some of our recent elections that just seemed off to me. And he said, yeah, what are you doing tomorrow? I want to show you a four hour presentation that we've put together to show members of Congress. And I said, okay, I cleared my schedule. I met him and he took me through like a four hour PowerPoint just packed with evidence. And at the end of it, I was, of course, I was stunned. I was just like, you know, oh my God, our, our country is under attack by my foreign enemies and we're not even aware of it. And so I said to Martin, I said, well, what can I do to help you? And he said, we want you to write a book. I didn't know that Gary was involved at that point. We walked outside and he called and Martine gave, made a phone call and he said, oh, Gary says hello. And I said, Gary Bernson? And he goes, yeah, I'm working. He's my business partner. And I'm like, okay, so Gary's involved in this? And he said, yes. And of course, that just, you know, solidified the fact that, you know, I have to, I have to do this. And. And then we, you know, I started, they showed me the evidence and I started writing the book. The intention was that the book would come out before the election of 2024. I found a publisher who would, who said he would do it. Martine went to New York and showed him all the evidence. And the, and the publisher was like, oh, yeah, we got to get this out before the election. I wrote the book in basically, I don't know, six weeks, two months. Wow. Just working every day, you know, trying to meet the deadline and feeling the importance of it. Right. And, and then everything was ready, copy edited, cover, publicity, etc, and then the publisher calls me one day and says, we got to shut this down. And I'm like, why?
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Gary? And I met with him, met with his lawyer. It just didn't, you know, they didn't really have a, a solid reason. They're worried. They're saying, we're going to get sued. At which point, at that point, Gary and I had already done a series of videos. We weren't sued. So basically the book was held up for a year until I could get out of the contract and I had to publish it myself and it came out in September. That's the book that you've got in front of you.
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David Rutherford
What for me and I, obviously with the news cycle, what it is today, which I think is intentional in so many different ways, right. If you, you flood this, if you flood the system, you know, nothing stays in the consciousness of Americans for more than, you know, what the amount of times it takes to scroll up or scroll down. And. And so, but for me. So I first saw it when I saw the interview you all recently did with Lara Logan. And I, I had. I had met Laura once a long time ago. I had interviewed her when I used to do a part podcast with Marcus Luttrell from the Lone Survivor.
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Ralph Pizzulo
A moment.
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David Rutherford
Where I. I really kind of came to appreciate the intensity with which she approached journalism. And, and so I saw it. And then obviously, Emeril Robinson is covering in depth a lot of all of this as well too. So I sat through the interview and I was. My mouth was just agape. I literally, like, I think within the first, you know, ten minutes of. Of Gary talking, I had ordered it on Amazon and I was, I was excited to read it. And, And, And I probably went. I think I went through it in, like, days. And, And I think what is so brilliant about your writing, and I found that very similar when you did Jawbreaker as well, is. Is just how proficient you lay it out to where it's understandable because the technical.
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The, The. The technicality of the corporate structures of smartmatic or Dominion, or where the. In the. How it relates to different electoral organizations within Venezuela. Like it. Complicated landscape. Yes, but what you do is you. You synthesizes and you drop it in such an easy way to understand that it made complete sense. Like, you know, because obviously I, I too had. Had found the abnormalities. First off, I got locked out of social media about a month and a half before the 2020 election, along with many, many other g. What influencers and podcasters. They throttled all of us. They shut us all down just to quiet us so we wouldn't have a voice to, you know, get. Get the public going. And so in when it happened, I mean, just what the. The F curve alone on it was so profound and everything else, like, you knew something was off. But they were. They had such a. What an army of censorship ready to employ.
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When you guys, when you came into this, they had already been going at this for several Years. What, what, what did they say to you? Like, were your, what were you apprehensive about and partnering with them? Was there anything that you were worried about by joining them in this endeavor?
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Ralph Pizzulo
You know, as soon as I saw the presentation, as soon as I saw the evidence.
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You know, it just struck me as true. It was, it was.
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I felt like terrible for our country that we had been attacked this way. And I just felt, look, I have to do this, you know, and I just have faith in God and the truth. I've always been, you know, that's my guide is the truth. Just find the truth. I try to stay non political, open minded and I just figured, okay, this is the truth. I can't, you know, I don't see any. I, you know, of course I, I checked that, everything out that I could myself and spoke to other people and, you know, and I know Gary and I felt like these guys have, you know, they're real patriots.
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You know, Gary has been willing to put his life down for the country and, you know, we are under attack and the American people need to be made aware of this. And I knew already that, you know, Gary had told me that they had already been to, you know, FBI members of Congress and basically been told to, you know, shut up and go away. I kind of understood that this would be, you know, kind of a dangerous, interesting ride, but I just felt like, hey, what's more important, you know, I love this country and this is where, you know, I, I put my stake down here. So let's, let's do it. Let's do it.
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David Rutherford
Amen. Amen. I love that, Ralph. Like, that's the thing, man. I think there's so many people out there that are, that are out there trying to become, whether, you know, they're freelance journalists or new citizen journalists or, you know, the influence that James o' Keefe is having around the country. And so people are compelled because they realize just how corrupt all the systems are. But it's like to have the expertise of you and Gary and Martine, it really, I think is such a powerful group and I really appreciate you wanting to. Having the courage to do this. So, so let's get into this.
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All right, so who are the main players.
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As you begin down the road in the book that people need to be aware of? Where does this plot originate and, and then how does it begin to morph into action itself?
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Ralph Pizzulo
Okay, well, it really begins with the election of Hugo Chavez in Venezuela in 1998. He was elected in 1999. He took power And Hugo Chavez was a, you know, charismatic military officer in a country of tremendous wealth and natural resources. Venezuela has the highest oil reserves of any country in the world.
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And he, he, because of his sort of psychological makeup, he was a, he was, he was the product of a, illegitimate, of an affair that his mother had outside of the marriage. And so his father always rejected him. And, and Fidel Castro formed a kind of a, became a father figure for Hugo Chavez and, and cultivated that relationship because Castro saw if he could partner with Venezuela, with their wealth, you know, he could really, this could really give him a boost to sort of expand, expanding his sort of socialist government agenda throughout Latin America. And it really started in 2004. The Venezuelans faced a referendum and Hugo Chavez was going to lose. The polls show that he was way behind. And Castro and his intelligence service were monitoring everything and they went to Hugo Chavez and they said, hey, you're going to lose and you're going to be out of power. So you got to come up with something. And Hugo Chavez was sort of like, you know, help me, like what do I do? And they came up with the idea of, well, there's this new technology that they use in electronic voting machines and if we can control the software in those machines and design it in a certain way, you know, maybe we can steal the election in this quiet way that nobody will be able to detect. And they, they hired three Venezuelan computer engineers.
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Antonio Mujica, Alfredo Jose Anzola and Roger Pinate. They were, they were all graduates of Simon Bolivar University in Caracas, which is sort of their equival of mit, very highly educated guys. And they, they took on this task and they came up with software that was installed in Olivetti, kind of touch, touch screen banking machines. They distribute these throughout Venezuela. And they were able to steal the election, an election that was carefully monitored, but nobody, but they did it in such a way that you couldn't see the evidence of the steel. Right. Wow. And, and, and, and of course, Hugo Chavez was very grateful. He gave them $200 million and basically said, let's see if you can perfect this software and let's see if we can, we can use it in other elections throughout Latin America. And that's what they did. Oh my gosh. And so in the early 2000s, you know, for those who follow Latin American political history, there were a series of, elect of, of leftist leaders, Daniel Ortega and, and Nicaragua being one of them, Evo Morales in Bolivia, a whole series of them that were, that were elected.
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In elections where the polls show them behind, you know, so it was kind of like this, is, this is curious. Is this like a. But nobody could, nobody knew really what was going on. Well, for Castro, this was brilliant. I mean, he's been trying to infiltrate, you know, spread his, his socialist, communist ideal ideology throughout Latin America for years with guerrilla movements. I mean, this is an easy way to do it, right? You just, it seems the easiest legitimate, legitimate of the election, election monitors and all these countries. And they, they didn't find, they, you know, they couldn't find the steel, right how they were doing this. And so, you know, they perfected it in Latin America. And then in 2006 they said, let's try it in the United States. And these gentlemen, same three Venezuelan engineers, they started a company in Boca Raton called smartmatic. And that's where it started. And it was always, and it still remains true today, the software is really owned by the government of Venezuela.
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David Rutherford
That was the thing that really was unbelievable to me is that through all the different, and we'll get into that eventually. You can explain the different iterations of the companies and morphing and being bought out, but that the source code remained proprietary through each one of these sales. That is the fascinating thing to me.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Yes, that's the key. That's the key.
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David Rutherford
Right?
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Ralph Pizzulo
So the source code is owned by Venezuela. And the source code, anybody who's a computer software engineer will know is sort of the DNA of the software. You know, you can modify it, you can, you can change it, but it's, it's sort of the, the, the, the instructions, the, the, the, you know, the core of the system. And through all these sort of corporate shell games and, and, and you know, they're very sophisticated. They knew which countries they could register in that would be able to hide the corporate ownership with. And they chose the Netherlands because you don't have to, you don't have to reveal the owners of the software. So they, they did, they did all this kind of stuff that came into the United States immediately. They were sort of.
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Questions were raised by Carolyn Mahoney, representative from New York. She went to the Treasury Department and she said something about this doesn't seem right. You need to do an investigation of this, of this software. And then there was also a political officer at the embassy in Caracas who wrote a long cable in 2006 basically saying, you know, why is the United States accepting this, this company on face value? This is a Venezuelan owned company. Why are they running elections in the United States now? Nothing ever happened. We don't know what happened with that cable. It was, it was approved by the Ambassador Brownlee at the time. It went to the State Department and got swallowed up in the bureaucracy. So there were people back in the beginning who were saying, hey, there's something funny going on here. Also, they applied to run elections in California, and at that time the Secretary of State of California had to do a review of any election software that was going to be used in the state. And they hired engineers from MIT and Berkeley and so on, you know, top computer engineers. And they came back and basically wrote a report saying, hey, this software looks like it was designed to steal elections. Wow, it's got so many back doors in it. This is garbage. You don't want this running your elections in your state.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Right. Well, what, what they did, you know, they're, they're very smart, these people. They're. This is not a casual. This isn't a couple guys in a basement. These are hundreds of engineers. And, and, and as they got going, they got support from China, they got support from Iran, they got support from Russia. It became this criminal conspiracy because they, these countries who are all enemies of the United States saw, wow, what, what an amazing way to run, like, hybrid warfare to basically corrupt and destroy the United States from within. Right. Which, which we have experienced over the last, you know, 15 years. Right. And yeah, so they, There was a lot of corruption involved, David. You have to go kind of state by state, state, you know, who approved. There are some examples. I don't want to name names, but, you know, you, you can look at, you know, like in Georgia.
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David Rutherford
Yeah, for sure. Fulton County, Antrim County, Michigan, Colorado, you know, the, the real hotbeds of those contested. Arizona.
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Ralph Pizzulo
They knew all the, they. They knew all the, the key districts. Like there are 3, 000 voting districts in the United States and there are about. About really a dozen or more that determine the outcome of our elections, presidential elections. They knew where to go. They knew what districts to, to. To. To get the contracts to run the elections in. And they paid off. I mean, like I said, they have tremendous amount of money behind them because you've got all the, the money, the Venezuelan money, the, the, the oil money, plus they were getting money from China. China pitched in 200, 600 million or whatever it is.
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David Rutherford
Yeah, yeah.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Huge amounts of money. And so the, the first elect US Election that they, that they ran was in Cook County, Illinois, when Obama was running in the Democratic primary against Hillary Clinton. At the time, you know, Hillary Clinton had been, you know, the first lady. She'd been a senator from New York. She was a very, very, you know, prominent person and, and clearly the favor, the favorite to win the Democratic nomination. Obama at the Time was a first term senator. He'd only only been in office two years.
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David Rutherford
Right.
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Ralph Pizzulo
And they stole the election for Obama. And.
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David Rutherford
And so that, that, that, that sparks all those Manchurian Candidate conspiracies that are out there and his past and who his mother was influenced by and you know, the whole communist indoctrination, you know, from the beginning, I mean that, that, that.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Hugo Chavez is one of his closest aides overheard was told by Hugo Chavez before the election, I'm going to elect the first black president in the United States.
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David Rutherford
Oh my gosh.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Oh my gosh.
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David Rutherford
All right, all right. So we have this ramps up fast obviously and global connections, external monies coming in from all. So now it's, it's. You also have oil money that's funding it. Can you introduce the idea of the, of the Cartel del Sol? Right. And then also when Dominion comes in, try and give us the back background of those two and how the fusion begins there.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Okay. So basically when Chavez, Hugo Chavez took power in, in Venezuela, he, he, he nationalized. The first thing he did. One of the most important things he did was he nationalized the petroleum industry, which was huge. So suddenly he had, the petroleum industry had been, was private before. It was run by a country called Pedesa and he nationalized Pedesa. So he put all of his people in key positions in Pedesa. Of course the, the company.
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Didn'T, you know, didn't do as well with, with, with these kind of untrained loyalists in power, but he had access to, to, you know, the money that they were making, which is, you know, trillions of dollars a year. In addition to that, with the, again with the guidance of Fidel Castro, he he created, he started to create a criminal organization using the, using the Venezuelan military called Cartel del Solis. And they call it that because Seoul is, is a son. And, and on the uniforms of the Venezuelan military, on their epaulets instead of stars, they have sons. So basically he turned the whole military into a cartel organization. And with the cooperation of the FARC in Colombia, which is a guerrilla organization with, they had Evo Morales in Bolivia who was part of their coalition. So the cocaine was grown in Bolivia. It was processed in Colombia, grown in Bolivia under the protection of Evo Morales, processed in Colombia in the jungle using, under the protection of the FARC and, and political allies of theirs within the Colombian government, which is a whole other story.
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David Rutherford
Right.
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Ralph Pizzulo
And then it was shipped by on military, you know, boats and planes into the United States. And so they were making another at least A trillion dollars just in the drug trade and became. And today are the. The biggest. Biggest transnational criminal drug cartel in the world.
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David Rutherford
In the world. Right. And with trillions of dollars in annuals. Yeah, trillions. That.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
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David Rutherford
That was the thing that really kind of shook me is that you. You know, you always imagine that it's. Right. Colombia, after the takedown of. God, I'm forgetting his name right now, of. Of those main cartels. Then it, what. Then it transferred the majority of power. Mexican cartels. And they've been in control of this thing the whole time, when the reality is they're just the, like. I love how you describe them as taxi drivers. Right.
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Ralph Pizzulo
They're.
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David Rutherford
They're just transportation. And the real distribution king around the world is. Is the Venezuelan government and military and then the cartels de solace. And. And for me, that you call them. What'd you call them? The Costco of. Of cartels. Explain. Explain that a little bit. And why. Why are they so. So why is it so easy for them to gain access to international markets?
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Ralph Pizzulo
Well, they're. They're. They're partnering with. With. With the Mexican cartels. So the Mexican cartels have worked for years to develop a whole network and. And other gangs. Mississippi 13. They've developed a whole network of.
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You know, runners and dealers and throughout the United States. I mean, I had. Gosh. And I think it was like 2012. I was in Las Vegas at a security convention, and I was sitting at one, one day, one night at dinner with the police chiefs of Louisiana, of New Orleans, Los Angeles.
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You know, major, Major. And I asked them at the time, I said, what is your biggest threat? And they went, well, it's not Middle Eastern terrorists. And I said, okay, what is it? And they said, said, the cart. The drug cartels, they're everywhere. And there was a. There was a mayor from Evansville, Illinois, and he said, yeah, we, like, last week we arrested two Mexican guys in a shootout. And like, two nights later, I got a phone call at home. My wife answered the phone, and it was, we need to talk to your husband. I got on the phone, and it was a guy with a, you know, Mexican accent saying.
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You know, sir, you picked up two of our friends. You need to release them. And he's like, what the hell are you talking about? How did you get my phone number? And, you know, you're telling me to really, you know, they. They were. They're arrested for, you know, a shootout in public. And. And they were like, you don't understand. You know, we know where your kids go to school, we know where your wife works. And the guy was like stunned. I mean, yeah, the balls on these people. But they, they, they, they know their strength and they, they exert it in, in communities all over our country. And you know, we've allowed this to happen.
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David Rutherford
Well, there's a whole other component in, in the, the legal system as well, being propped up by the Open Society foundation and that funding, which is also linked. So let's pivot from the cartel influence now over to Dominion. When did Smartmatic.
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When did they partner up with Dominion? And how did they realize, all right, this was going to be from a legal aspect, this was the, the, the merger that was going to really be able to give us leverage. And then. Can you talk through some of the, the founders of Dominion, their relationships around the world?
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Ralph Pizzulo
Sure, sure. So what started with smartmatic, smartmatic was, was very small and local. It was this Venezuelan owned company company. They, the first company they bought was called Sequoia. Sequoia had been around for a hundred years. They had, they were, their basic, their basic business was.
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ATM machines, but they got into voting machines. So the Venezuelans bought Sequoia. When they applied for the, the contract in California to run elections in California through Sequoia, what I referred to before the Secretary of State did an audit and said, no, we're not going to accept this company. So what they ended up doing is they ended up selling Sequoia. It made it look like they were selling Sequoia to Dominion. Dominion was this tiny election company that was running like an election in one district in Ontario, Canada. Right? And suddenly, so they, they, they, they, they, you know, they're very clever. You know, they, everything is disguised and, and, and, and so basically they end up taking over a company called Dominion and blowing it up into this, you know, big election company and winning all these contracts in all the key election districts in the United States. States. And they, then they decide to, okay, we're going to use a Dominion to run elections in the United States and we're gonna, we're gonna, smartmatic will be kind of our global company with the global reach and we'll try to win contracts in other countries around the world through smartmatic. So smartmatic only runs one district, district in the United States and that's Los Angeles county. And, and, and therefore, which is where I live. And it's, it's so bad. And I mean it, it pains me will ever win an election in Los Angeles as long as Smart Maddox here.
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David Rutherford
It pains me. I I, my, you know, my whole family, well, half my family's been in California and Pal and Pasadena for, you know, 40, 45 years. My brother lived out there for 30 years before he moved to New York. I was stationed out there seven and a half years and man, you know, it was one of the greatest places on earth that you could ever visit. And you can just see the deterioration, you know, and the fact that Karen Bass, who is a avowed Marxist, had been to Cuba for her training, is now the mayor of Los Angeles. And what we're seeing, I mean, it's just, I don't know, like how do. What's, what's staggering to me, I guess. And I guess there's a cognitive dissonance that's been built into the consciousness of American citizens now. So even though you see it with your own eyes, you're either too afraid to say anything as a result of the, you know, decade long fear campaign of cancellation or, or you just.
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What can I do? I don't have a say. Right. And so people allow to come off. And it's almost like this is the story that will be the trigger to get it going. Right. Because once you realize the magnitude of the nefariousness, it really begins to grow in power.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Yeah, I deal with this almost on a daily basis. Places. I mean, you know, we, I have been here, I have lived here for 20 years. I'm originally from New York, but you know, as you say, David, I have just seen.
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You know, the disintegration of the whole, you know, city and the public structure of the city, you know, and people, it's weird. People accept it, you know.
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David Rutherford
Yes.
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Ralph Pizzulo
As you say, they either don't know what to do or they're so brainwashed and afraid to step out and, and complain about it. And another part of it is that people that politic, you know, the media and, and, and, and you know, kind of the forces behind the scenes, they've politicized everything. So it's like if you, if you criticize, you know, Karen Bass or her handling of, for example, the, the fires last year, year you, earlier this year, you go, you know, you, well, you're, you're, you're a Trump guy. Right.
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David Rutherford
Or racist. Right.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Or a racist or whatever. And it's like, no, I don't, look, I don't care who I'm, you know, I don't really care what your political affiliation is if you're good at what you do.
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David Rutherford
Right. You know, it's about confidence and corruption. That's right, right.
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Ralph Pizzulo
I'm fine. You know, I'm open minded, but it's just a weird thing. And that's why I keep telling people, hey, look, this isn't political. It's really an attack on our country. And as you mentioned before, it's aided by a lot of NGOs that have been funded by Venezuela and China. One of the things that the whistleblowers found out was that George Soros and the Open Societies Foundation, a lot of their money, money comes from Venezuela and China. So they directly, directly supports a lot of celebrities in Hollywood. Hollywood whose names I can't reveal, but you can imagine who they are and you know, with big amounts of money and organizations like Black Lives Matter and so on. And so, so much of the disruption that we've seen over the last, you know, decade is artificial. It's not organic. It has been funded. It is deliberate and it's part of the warfare. It's part of the war. That's right, exactly.
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David Rutherford
All right, can you take us and connect us from Dominion senior leadership, I. E. Mark Moloch Brown, over to the Open Society Foundation?
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Ralph Pizzulo
Okay, so.
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Mark Malik Brown is a very, you know, close associate and good friend of George Soros.
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He, he has always, he, he also has had a close association with Hugo Chavez. He's been a guy who, you know, you, you could, you could describe him as a globalist. He's very much of, of of that philosophy. And he, he became the, he was the, he was the, the president of Smartmatic. After the 2020 election, he was awarded with the presidency of the Open Society Foundations. So the, the connection between the two is very obvious and, and, and out in.
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It's just weird, David. It's like the press doesn't, doesn't look at any of this stuff. Like the whole idea of having investigative journalism which, which is so important in a, in a society like ours, it is disappeared. You know, these are all major.
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You know, important.
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Phenomena that, you know, that we need to be made, that people should have been made aware of. But it's all cloaked now. And well, if you even look at it, you're a conspiracy theorist. This, this is, there's no conspiracy here. This is hard information. That's what is so brilliant about what Gary and Martine have done. Gary is a CIA operations officer. He builds cases by, by and has in his career and is trained to do that by. You find the, the, the terrorist group of the criminal conspiracy and you penetrate it. You find sources within the conspiracy and you either pay the money or you threaten you know, you come work with us, give us information about how this conspiracy works. That's. And that's what they did here.
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David Rutherford
I think that's what. Yeah, that's what people. I think, you know, people read a book and they go, oh, he's a journalist. All he. This is all hearsay. There was no, these guys aren't real investigators. It's also sensational. There's a global conspiracy to control worldwide elections. That's ridiculous. It involves cartels in China and, you know, you know, and people are so overwhelmed by that reality. But you're right. Like, and if you look at both Gary and Martine, these are world class investigators, people that have been at the tip of the spear in, in particular in Central and South America. And what I think, you know, we've become, I think the American public became so aligned with a singular threat coming from the Middle east post 9 11, which I believe was all intentional to distract us from what our regional worries were, which was the rise and growth of communism and socialism at scale with our South American and Central American partners.
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Ralph Pizzulo
You're right on the mark. Right on the mark. Yeah. So a lot of this happened because all of the focus was on the Middle east. And so our intelligence agencies were, were. They were penetrated. And, and, and there's a, there's a lot of corruption involved. But it gave, it gave Cuba and Venezuela and China, you know, kind of an opening because the focus wasn't on Latin America. And, you know, what was allowed to grow and, and penetrate us further is something that, at this point, it's choking us. If we don't solve this problem now, I don't know, you know, what our country will be like in the future. I don't know.
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David Rutherford
Well, we won't have a country. We'll, we will, we will devolve into.
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A, a tyranny that, that will require, you know, civil war at a minimum. Right.
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Ralph Pizzulo
All right, let's point I want to make that's so important that you brought up before is that these guys are not, they're, they're not theorists. They're not.
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David Rutherford
Yeah.
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Ralph Pizzulo
They're not promoting any point of view. They're basically just investigators. And they tripped upon this. They were in Venezuela looking, investigating money laundering in Venezuela. That's what they were doing. And they were recruiting sources within the criminal cartel, within the Cartel Del Sol and so on and so forth. And those people were the ones who were telling them, them, hey, we also do election fraud. And Martine and Gary were like, you know, what are you talking about? We're not interested in that. We're looking at, to find out where the drug money has been stashed in different banks.
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Jacob Goldstein
Right?
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Ralph Pizzulo
And they kept bringing it up and then at the, when the two, the 2020 election happened and it was, it was so odd, right? And these guys kept saying, you know, well, we know why. They said, all right, let's put everything else aside and investigate this. And they, they spent their own money and their own time and they investigated it for three years.
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And they, and.
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David Rutherford
That'S a, I think that's what people have to understand. This, this was not done whipped together in a six month period. And, and the magnitude of, of credibility that these two have in recruiting and that's that the, I mean recruiting a source or an asset or sub source or walk in or whatever, a walk ins, you know, it is what it is. But the rest, I mean that is an art form.
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Ralph Pizzulo
It's an art form.
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David Rutherford
It really is, it is an art form. And human intelligence, in my opinion is there's no better intelligence in the world. Cause electronic intelligence can be manipulated, whatever it is, but human intelligence. And they went out and they have recruited dozens if I'm not, if I'm correct, right, Dozens of people from all over these places that have shared this information. I think the one that really hit me the hardest was the story of Frank Holder. Can you describe who, who Frank Holder is and the role he's played in this?
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Ralph Pizzulo
Okay, so Frank Holder is a former, he went to the Air Force Academy. He's a Mormon, very clever man.
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They call him super cop. The Venezuelans call him super cop. He basically is a, is a, a Cuban agent first.
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Then was recruited by the Venezuelans and became sort of the paymaster of the Cartel del Solis. So he was controlling a budget of trillions of dollars a year and was able to, and he became a CIA source as well. Well.
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So he was basically, when the CIA wanted to know what was going on in Latin America, they were relying on Frank Holder because of course he, he certainly had, you know, good, you know, lots of information that he could supply them with. But he, he, he had an agenda of behind it and he was, he was able to corrupt.
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Many officials in the State Department and, and our intelligence service. And that is all being, I can't name their names, but one of them was Manuel Roca, who, who these, the same two whistleblowers discovered. He had been, he had been a high official in the State Department and ambassador. He served in, in the, the NSC in the White House. House. And he had been a Cuban spy for 40 years. He is now in federal prison. And he's just one of, probably one of dozens of, of met people like him, even in higher positions. So the Cubans who are very good at this, there's another, you know, another woman was named Anna Montes. Her story, you know, she was a head of the head analyst for the, the, the, the.
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The.
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Department of Defense Intelligence Service. She was a Cuban agent. So these, the, the penetration of our government is, is startling like that, that, that's another whole aspect of this. But all of this information has been found and, and through recruiting sources, right? And they point you to, hey, look at this guy, Frank Holder. Well, Frank Holder, he managed to position himself to kind of control all, all the independent like security companies in the United States. Kroll International, Berkeley Research Group.
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You know, so whenever there was a study done on Latin America or, or what's going on in Venezuela, you know, he, he was helping to write the report because he was either the president or in control of the Latin American division. I'll give you one example. In 2020, when the Clinton camp, when the, when the Trump campaign was, was convinced that there had been some, you know, funny business going on in the election, who did they hire? They hired Frank Holder, who at the time was the head of, of the Berkeley Research Group. And so they, they didn't know who Frank Holder was. Everybody assumed, if you want, if you want to know what's going on in Latin America, call Frank Holder. Well, Frank Holder is a Cuban spy. He's a, he's a, a Venezuelan source. And, and what is, what does Berkeley Research Group come back with in their report? There was no, no, no irregularities.
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David Rutherford
Safest, Safest election and you in US History. Safestly. Right.
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Ralph Pizzulo
And this is of course reported on the front page of the Washington Post and so on. Like, you know, those guys are nuts. Anybody who thinks that there was any irregularities in the election, you know, we have the definitive source. Well, your source is a Cuban spy.
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So, you know, this is, this is what we're up against.
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David Rutherford
One of the, the fascinating things to me and what really I think, think what Gary talked about this in the interview is when he was leading the charge in South America to try and stem the tide of this growing socialism, the new, what, whatever new form of communism it is, right? And you know, he's fighting, you know, in Bolivia. He's all over the place. And then what was it when I think it was in 2012 or sometime shortly after Obama's second election, comes in. And then they were told to all stand down. And then. And then Martine had a group within their special operations division of the DEA. They had talked about having like, 11 people, and then after this, they went down to one person. So essentially, these people that were in the fight were told, hey, the fight's over. We're not focused on that anymore. And so that was. For me, that was a big part of the validation of the. The. The forced shift to look away from what's taking place.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Yeah. So Gary was. When I first met Gary, he was the station chief, CIA station chief in Bolivia. That's 2005. And he was basically told back then, we want you to back off of any investigations into Cuba. Well, Gary as a station chief in Bolivia. Bolivia, he's fighting with the Cubans because the Cubans are there with the Evo Morales government expanding drug trafficking throughout central South America and the United States. And Gary was like, what the hell are you guys talking about? Why they're the enemy. We're actively fighting them here in. In Bolivia, and you know it. And you're coming from Washington and telling me to back down. And he and other. One other station chief, I think the station chief in Ecuador door were horrified. The other ones were kind of like, you know, okay, if this is what's the direction that's coming down from Washington, I guess we'll comply. But it was an early sign of how deeply. How deep the penetration was, Even back in 2005.
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David Rutherford
And that's another thing that I think people in the United States kind of dismiss or don't pay attention to that. You know, our State Department employees, our Department of Defense employees, Department of War employees, our law enforcement, homeland, FBI, CIA, they're actively being recruited around the world at all times. I remember, you know, my first, when I first was getting ready to deploy overseas with the agency, you know, and you get this little class on, like, hey, this is what you have to pay attention to, these types of people here doing this and that. And I, and I was like, oh, wow, yeah, this is real espionage stuff. And, you know, that's, that's the core of what's taking place. And imagine, whereas, you know, back in World War II or during the Cold War, right, espionage had a component where the result was kinetic, right? It could lead to nuclear war or mass confrontations like you're seeing in Ukraine and Russia. But now espionage is relative. Like, hey, we can pay you exorbitant amounts of money and no one gets killed. It's just the slow, gradual turning away or relinquishing of your liberties through the elections and putting these bad actors.
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In positions where they can start to ignore the laws of the land. And I think that's where we're at.
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Ralph Pizzulo
That yeah, well, well, well, you know, as citizens, I think a very few people really understand how the CIA, how the CIA works and how the FBI works. But a big part of their, their mission is counterintelligence. Right. So you're constantly checking to make sure that your, your service is not penetrated by these, by foreign actors, which, as you just pointed out out, that's where they focus all their energy. That's how, that's what they're trained to do. That's what RCIA agents overseas are trained to do. They make friends. They go to cocktail parties, and they make friends with their Cuban or Soviet count Russian counterparts or Chinese counterparts. They have been much better at it than we have. You know, and that's the shocking part, is that that here are two guys who were independent, you know, whistleblowers with amazing backgrounds. Yes. But they found something that are, that, that, that our tech. We paid trillions of dollars in taxes to these intelligence agencies to track, and they didn't see it, you know, and it's like, what an immense failure by our intelligence service that you had to depend on two guys who are just patriots to stumble over this.
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David Rutherford
Yeah, I, I think the irony of, of your involvement is, is so, it's so substantial, like Jawbreaker. Right. The crux of that whole thing was, you know, when, when Gary and his team and, and the Delta guys and tor bore, like, all right, we're, we're an hour away from them. Let's go. And you know, like, just give us the, you know, a Ranger battalion to shut the border off. And then all of a sudden, you know, there's this standoff and we want more money and we're not going to give you the Rangers. And, and, and then the next thing you know, you know, ISI starts doing airlifts and brings out the entire headshed of the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Ibn Lauden, and they live in Pakistan for the next 10 years, you know, and, and, and, and that's just one aspect and that, that's like the major focus we're spending, but Obviously you're spending $8 trillion. You know, nobody's going to shut that spigot off. And, and when you, when you start to allow your.
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Mind to extrapolate the potentiality of what controlling global means, it really becomes a staggering shift in consciousness. Goes back to. All I ever see is Klaus Schwab saying.
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The fourth Industrial revolution is coming and you must prepare and you will own nothing and like it. So how big is this worldwide? How big is it? How much proof do we know it's taking place around the world right now, David.
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Ralph Pizzulo
It's unfortunate, Unfortunately. It's huge. Smartmatic runs elections in 72 countries around the world. All the major countries in the world are using smartmatic software. And we've, we've a number of countries, leaders of countries have come to us and said, you know, we think our election was stolen. Poland, I mean we're, we're three guys. I mean we, we don't have the capacity like to investigate everything, but we basically tell them like the president of Georgia, near Russia, they had a referendum last year and they were convinced it was stolen. They had riots there and they, they came to us and they went, do you, do you think we like, are you. Yeah, you. They were using smart methods, voting machines. Sure. They stole it. You know, Russia. Yeah.
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David Rutherford
Romania. Right. We saw, we. And then the one that just is so obvious to me was Brazil getting Lula back in.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Yeah.
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David Rutherford
You know, and, and I don't know if you filed Mike Benz at all, but like he found the USAID money that was funneling. Would you, would you talk about that? Because that at the end of the book, like when I was going through that piece, I was like, oh my God, we're funding this too. All the major countries that want this type of control over people are participating in this. So could you discuss that?
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Ralph Pizzulo
Okay, so, so during doge, one of the first things they looked at was usaid. Right. And what they found was that there was an organization called seps. It's called the Consortium for Elections and Political Process Strength. They were getting billions of dollars, I think total 8 or 9 billion dollars through USAID grants. And basically they were the marketing wing of smartmatic. So they were going into countries and marketing through our embassies, telling countries, pressuring companies to accept smartmatic voting machines.
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I'm working on another book, a follow up book now where there's some case studies and one of them is from Guatemala. And in Guatemala the US Ambassador and, and people in the embassy were basically twisting the arms of the Guatemalan government and saying you have to. And they didn't want it. And they were basically like, if you don't accept this software where you're going to have trouble with the United States.
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And it's like, what the hell? And the taxpayers we're paying for that.
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David Rutherford
That's right. That's right.
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Ralph Pizzulo
All of it for criminals who are trying to take over our country and, and destroy our country to, to perpetuate and expand their reach around the world.
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David Rutherford
Wow.
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I mean it's really quite Staggering.
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Ralph Pizzulo
It is. It's staggering. It's staggering. And when you see that, you go, you know, oh, my God. And then you look at the people who are, you know, on their board, and do they, do they know what they were involved in?
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David Rutherford
Of course they do.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Aaron.
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Marco Rubio, who's Secretary of State, it's like, you know, we got a big problem. We got a big problem. Massive.
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David Rutherford
All right, what, what. Tell. Let's talk a little bit about. All right, so the three of you, obviously, you. You referenced that Gary and Martine have approached the bureau, they've approached the dni, they've approached all these agencies recently, too. What, what has taken place with those. Those parlays?
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Ralph Pizzulo
All right, so initially, before. Before the, The Trump administration, and they were. The answer they were basically getting from. From Republicans and Democrats was we don't want to.
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Jacob Goldstein
Either.
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Ralph Pizzulo
We don't want to see your evidence or you. You guys are crazy. You better leave the country. You're going to get exposed. You're going to get thrown in jail. Right. And there, there were. There was an active FBI investigation of Gary and Martine. We know that now. Now, after the Trump administration, the atmosphere changed. The, the FBI, and the Justice Department in particular, took all the information that Gary and Martine had found, including interviewing their sources, and they. They did their own investigation, and they found everything to be 100% legitimate. Wow. The problem is they're moving really, really slow, and we don't know why they're moving really slow.
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You know, I don't. I don't know. I mean, there, there's definitely a push and pull within the administration. Some people are, you know, don't want this information to be made public. But it's all been. It's all been checked out. It's all been investigated. Elon Musk has looked at it.
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My. My concern right now is that this story is sort of being buried and ignored. And the president, even though he has tweeted about we got to do something about election fraud, he's not particularly focusing on this, on this information which needs to be.
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Disseminated to the American public. As you said from the beginning, this is. There isn't an important, important, a more important story probably ever. You know, this is a takeover of our country from within using the techniques of hybrid warfare. And if we don't root it out, if we don't talk about it and spread the news.
- [73:43]
You know, we're gonna. We're gonna be kind of helpless here. And what's. What's shocked me is that that you know, nobody except for Laura Logan, God bless her. And people like you, God bless you are, are taking up the story. Like the mainstream media, they're still talking about Epstein, you know, and it's like, you know, NBC, everybody. Now, are they all part of this conspiracy? Have they all been paid off?
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It makes you wonder, I mean, even the President, I'm like, why, why are you not on television talking about this? You're talking.
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David Rutherford
I just think, I think, I mean.
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Ralph Pizzulo
When you look at the coast of Venezuela, but why aren't you explaining to the American people why they're there?
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David Rutherford
Right?
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Ralph Pizzulo
Why is so dangerous?
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David Rutherford
I, I don't, I think.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Yeah, yeah.
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David Rutherford
I mean, I, I think, I think obviously.
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And you, you, you had talked about it. There are so many problems that, that Trump was facing when he came into office. And first and foremost, the number one was the invasion. You had to stop that.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Yeah.
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David Rutherford
Second is, is I think to expose kind of the IC corruption, bringing DOGE in, getting, you know, I think hacking away at USAID was monstrous. An annual 50 billion dollar budget to run these types of programs that was massive of, you know, to fund to continue funding the government. That was a big one. And then, you know, obviously the, the, the Epstein challenge is a more nefarious kind of money laundering reality than anything. And I think, you know, that's, and I think, you know, Epstein was a fixer, just like I think Holder is a fixer, just like all these other people are work for the intelligence agencies and our fixers in some capacity. So it goes beyond, you know, what this, this, this, but this, I agree with you, is the biggest story. And for me, this is going to be, you know, the focus of what I'm gonna really try and drill down on.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Thank you.
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David Rutherford
I had a gentleman, David, Professor David Clements, who was huge. Yeah. So David came on, we're gonna release his show and your show, I'm not sure which one's going first, but probably you will go first. Then we'll deliver his, you know, to drill down and then he's given me a few more names that I'm going to try and I'm just going to keep doing it. And because I agree this is, this is the crux, if we don't get our elections back, nothing else matters. The whole game is over. All right, so what do you guys, what's your plan moving forward now? How do you just.
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Keep the pressure on the different agencies keep going and you know, talking about or the follow up book, like what is, what's your focus now moving forward?
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Ralph Pizzulo
Well, my, I'm, I'm working on a follow up book which will talk about.
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The, the whole, the different components of hybrid warfare, how they've been used, the whole counterintelligence aspect of this and so how they recruited people, people who these people are and the influence that they had. So I'm working on that. Now we have the whistle. You know, Gary and Martine have, have shared a lot of this, most all this information with the, with the administration, but they're frustrated, as I am, with the, the slow pace of, of movement.
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David Rutherford
Right.
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Ralph Pizzulo
And so, you know, I can tell your listeners that there are some people within the administration who are, are just as alarmed as we are. And then there are other people who seem to be resisting this. And, and you know, I, it's troubling, right? So part of our mission now and you know, is, is to spread the word to the public because, and the, ultimately the public has to decide if this is important enough for them, right? To pressure Congressman, pressure senators, put the media at task. I mean, David, one thing that's so important is that, you know, in our, in a society like ours, the public needs to be informed about what, what's, what the real issues are and what's going on. And our, our press has failed and continues to fail so badly. And so people are at such a disadvantage. They, they don't really understand. Everything's couched, like I said before, in terms of politics. And this is like, no, this isn't politics. This is, these are foreign enemies who are trying to undercut, undermine our country for their nefarious purposes. And they're doing, and they're, they're actively doing that and we need to, you know, for pressure our government and our officials and our press and everybody else, like, hey, this is important to us. Us. We want to keep this country the way it is. We want our votes to count. We don't want our elections determined by, you know, some officials in Venezuela or China. I mean, and if there's, if, if there, if there is.
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You know, if there's something, it just all needs to be examined and investigated. You know, I put the book out. Nobody has come back and said, well, this is all, all, you know, I've looked into this. This is not, this is not real. You know, like I say, it's been, it's been investigated by the FBI, by the doj.
- [79:39]
But we need to, this has to be number one in everybody's mind. Like, hey, before we do anything else, we need to take care of this. And if our, if Our elected officials won't do it. Let's get a new bat that will, because this is, this is our concern. Right. And so we're trying to communicate that message now.
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David Rutherford
And I think you're doing an outstanding job. Ralph. I just am so grateful for your, once again, for your courage of supporting Gary and Martine. They are real patriots. They truly believe in this country. They have served this country at the highest level and, and you know, they see what's, what's at stake and as do I. So you've got another friend to help support in any way I can. I'm going to continue banging this drum. Obviously, if there's ever anybody that was in your world or. One last question. Has. Have you guys considered to deliver the, the PowerPoint presentation, that four hour presentation to the public? Have you guys considered doing that yet?
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Ralph Pizzulo
I mean, you know, basically the book is like you, you've got the book in front of you. A lot of the slides from the PowerPoint presentation are in the book. So I'm basically, I'm basic. It's based on. Yeah, it's based on the PowerPoint presentation. So I'm sort of like taking readers through it and explaining. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
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David Rutherford
Got it.
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Ralph Pizzulo
That's.
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David Rutherford
Yeah, those, those were just phenomenal. I mean, that was really the thing, you know, because you read, you read a section that includes, you know, these just mind boggling realities and then you see a slide with the actual data and facts right there in front of you and you're just like, oh my. I mean, it's, it's all right there.
- [81:43]
Ralph Pizzulo
It's all right there.
- [81:44]
David Rutherford
It's all right there.
- [81:45]
Ralph Pizzulo
So it's, you know, the information is there, there. It's been shared with the administration, as I say, you know, we're waiting for them to act.
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You know, we're waiting for them to act.
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David Rutherford
Well, I think we'll, we'll all just start building this groundswell. We'll start recruiting other patriots, we'll start talking about it more. I know it's going to be the focus for me up into these midterms and I just once again want to just commend you on and. Just a really incredible story, an incredible book, but more so your courage as a patriot and the service that you're giving this country to help prolong our liberty and our reality, quite frankly. So. Ralph, thank you.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Yeah, they're really trying to change our reality.
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They're brainwashing people. They're pushing agendas and trying to pretend that they're, they're positive when they're not. I mean, these people are. But if you understand, if you read the book and you understand where it's coming from, it puts it all in context. And David, thank you so much for what you do. I'm honored to be here and, and to get to know you. It's, it's really wonderful. Yeah.
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David Rutherford
Well, thank you, sir.
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Ralph Pizzulo
We need more people like you. And let's build a ground, a groundswell of, of support and, and let our elected officials and law enforcement and, and so on help, you know, hey, we need your help with this. We, we don't want to be part of China and Russia and Venezuela and Cuba. Like, no, that's not who we are.
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David Rutherford
You know, it's not who we're ever going to be, that's for sure.
- [83:33]
Ralph Pizzulo
That's.
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David Rutherford
Well, God bless you, Ralph. Take care. And, and, and.
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Ralph Pizzulo
Yeah. Thank you so much.
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