David Rutherford Show: “The Fuse Is Lit” – Navy SEAL Warns America Risks Civil War Without Full Epstein Transparency

Summary

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Episode: David Rutherford Show: “The Fuse Is Lit” – Navy SEAL Warns America Risks Civil War Without Full Epstein Transparency
Date: November 21, 2025

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Overview

In this intense and emotionally charged episode, David Rutherford—former Navy SEAL, intelligence operator, and motivational coach—hosts his weekly review, warning of the growing risk of civil unrest in America. The episode connects the explosion of nationalist movements in Europe, particularly Ireland, with the ongoing failure to fully expose the Jeffrey Epstein scandal in the United States. Rutherford argues that governmental corruption and lack of transparency are fueling revolutionary impulses among Western populations and warns that America is on the brink of similar upheaval unless deep institutional reforms and authentic anti-corruption measures are taken.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Resurgence of Militant Nationalism in Ireland

[03:29–14:06]

• Election of Catherine Connolly: Recently elected as Ireland's head of state with 63.4% of the vote. Connolly is characterized as left-leaning and focused on neutrality, climate, and social justice.

• Rise of Irish Citizen Army: A video from the self-declared “reborn” Irish Citizen Army (ICA) is played, in which the group denounces both Irish and British governments and vows to defend Irish culture and sovereignty.

• Rutherford’s Take:
  "They're roaching that moment where they are not going to take any shit anymore from these international hostile takeover asylum seeking crazies who will not assimilate into the Irish culture." (David Rutherford, [10:09])

• Militia Formation: Rutherford draws parallels to historic anti-colonial resistance, warning that militias will rise in response to immigration and loss of national identity.

• Implications for the US: What happens in Europe is seen as a precursor for Western nations, especially the US.

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2. The Epstein Files, Elite Corruption & Public Frustration

[18:09–33:02]

• Universal Obsession Across Political Lines:
  "When I see people on the left and the right all screaming about the same thing of like, I want transparency with Epstein stuff. I'm like, pay attention, because the people are screaming about this and demanding it." (Jordy, [19:41])

• Congressional Maneuvering:
  Numerous calls for the release of Epstein documents, but consistent delays, bipartisan reversals, and a 427-1 vote for transparency (with only Rep. Clay Higgins voting 'no').

• Speculative Connections:
  The hosts speculate about the extensive connections between Epstein and political, academic, and financial elites across the spectrum, including Trump, the Clintons, Bill Gates, and Harvard officials.

• National Security Excuse:
  A clip of House Speaker Mike Johnson is played, justifying withholding full Epstein records due to "national security" and intelligence agency prerogatives ([27:58]).

• Rutherford’s Response:
  "There is what aspect of Epstein's operations quantify national security? ... It is absolutely obvious that this guy was a fixer for many intelligence agencies, not just our own intelligence agency." (David Rutherford, [28:40])

• Moral Collapse & Institutional Rot:
  Rutherford, drawing from his intel experience, accuses government of knowingly allowing abuses for espionage gains.
  "When you're allowing an asset or a source ... to run and traffic children for your benefit, you've lost the moral direction." ([31:34])

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3. America’s Parallel Trajectory & Risks of Civil Unrest

[37:07–54:45]

• What’s More Destabilizing: Releasing or Not Releasing Epstein Documents?
  "It's already begun. ... If you don't check this and give the people against corruption, this will continue. You will see those videos in America ..." (David Rutherford, [37:16])

• Partisan Calls for Sedition and Tensions Within the Military:

  • The show discusses a viral video from several Democratic lawmakers and former intelligence officials (including Rep. Slotkin) urging military/intel personnel to refuse 'illegal' orders.
  • Rutherford is incensed, accusing them of stoking sedition and being hypocritical given past government overreaches.
    • "You can refuse illegal order orders. You must refuse illegal orders. ... This makes me, you want to talk about getting pissed off right now, Jordy, that is. I don't, I'm telling you what as, as a person that was given orders for a long period of time ... most repulsive thing in my..." ([41:04])

• Potential for “Citizens’ Armies” in America:
  Rutherford forecasts American analogs to the Irish Citizen Army, predicting polarized, possibly armed factions emerging as faith in institutions collapses.

  • "You're going to see videos start to pop up. ... I'm telling you, it's taken place." ([37:16])

• Slotkin, Deep-State Veteran, and Manipulation:
  Deep dive into Rep. Elissa Slotkin’s CIA/DoD background, linking elite intelligence roles to current political maneuvering ([46:56]).

• Danger of Escalating Partisanship:
  Rutherford asserts both right and left are fueling mutual distrust, edging the US toward kinetic (violent) civil conflict, with the vulnerable, especially young men, likely to be sacrificed.

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4. The Need for Transparency, Accountability, and Institutional Reform

[53:24–54:45]

• The “Fuse Is Lit”:
  "They're lighting the fuse. They are lit. The fuse is lit, man. ... Nobody seems to be pulling back." ([53:24])

• Don’t Repeat History: Need for a Modern “Church Committee”
  Calls for open congressional investigations into intelligence agencies, unredacted Epstein files, and actual prosecutions of corruption as the only way to avoid civil strife.

  "It will be a massive, painful to experience, to awaken to the magnitude of the corruption that exists within our government, within our society. But it also begin the healing process." (David Rutherford, [54:37])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Loss of Trust in Institutions:
  "Once you start to lose complete faith in your government ... then you're with the people. That's what makes people angry." (David Rutherford, [32:55])

• On the Bipartisan Demand for Epstein Transparency:
  "When I see people on the left and the right all screaming about the same thing ... pay attention." (Jordy, [19:41])

• On The Fuse Being Lit:
  "You guys are poking the powder keg right now ... They're lighting the fuse." (Jordy & David Rutherford, [53:24])

• On the Solution:
  "All I want is for the corruption to be exposed so we can begin to regain some confidence in these institutions that we are having forced down our throats ..." (David Rutherford, [48:17])

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Timeline & Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:29–14:06 – Irish Election, Rise of Citizen Army, implications for the West
• 18:09–33:02 – Epstein files, elite corruption, and bipartisan outrage
• 37:07–47:42 – Destabilization, calls for sedition, and military dissent
• 47:46–54:45 – Institutional loss of trust, risk of civil conflict, and call for exposure
• 53:24–54:45 – "Fuse is lit" metaphor and the case for exposure over civil war

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Conclusion

David Rutherford’s message is urgent and unfiltered: The West, particularly America, is at a breaking point, with government corruption and elite impunity eroding public faith and fueling revolutionary tendencies. Unless there is real transparency and accountability—beginning with the unredacted release of the Epstein documents—America risks following Europe down a path of internal armed conflict. Rutherford pleads for honest investigation, prosecution, and a return to shared moral values as a path toward healing rather than destruction.

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Transcript

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[Irish Citizen Army Spokesperson]

Foreign.

[David Rutherford]

What's up everybody? I am stoked to be back for a week in review. I haven't done with these in a while, Jordy, and I don't know why, man. You know, I just get into the kind of these weird things like I just want to interview people, I want to listen to what people have to say. And you know, I think that the, the soul of the 24 year old man kind of took it out of me a little bit on the individual show. That one was depleting, man. So I think it's the right time, the right place for the week in review. Are you feeling that too, bud?

[Jordy]

It's not just me. Everybody wants to Rut Rants. Let's go.

[David Rutherford]

Rut Rant. All right. This is called the Reverend Rut Rant. All right. Before I get into it, I just want to thank everybody, man, we love you so much. Thank you for following, thanking for growing. We are just continuing to grow. Our videos get huge. We've crossed over 7,000 subscribers on YouTube from April. Man, we're cooking. Thank you so much. Please go over and subscribe. Subscribe like, leave comments, share with a friend. Also our X numbers are going through the roof on video there. I'm most, most active and vocal on X if you want to follow me or the show. I am at Team Frog Logic and the show is at D. Rutherford show. Also on Instagram. We're both there. We're also on Tik Tok. We're on YouTube. We're on where else we at? That's everywhere.

[Jordy]

We're also. We just started. I just started posting again on Facebook again because I gotta get the Facebooks going, you know.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, let's get that. Let's get close. There's a lot of people, the boomers, man, they love that out there. All right, so we're all over the place. We could really use your help. Also, if you want to go and support us in any way, go visit David Rutherford dot com. We've got a bunch of online training. I teach people how to embrace fear, forge your self confidence and live a team life from the motivational experiences and teaching that I've been doing for the last 30 years. Go check that out. We've also got some cool swag. We've got a David Rutherford show T shirt that's out there, the old flashbang of truth T shirt. I've got some other old Frog Logic memorabilia. Got the hats, a T shirt, ma'. Am. We got all kinds of things. Just go visit David Rutherford dot com. All right, here's the deal, man. Jordy, why don't you bring that first clip up of me of the new Irish ira? All right, so if you're not familiar with what's going on recently there was an election and in Ireland and a Catherine Connolly was elected to the head of state. She was elected in a landslide victory, won about 63, 63.4% of the boat. Now you know, she's 68. Her political career has been interesting. You know, she was always a part of kind of this new dial Erin. And then I can't say the Irish stuff at all, man, I suck on that. But what it is, it's a left leaning political organization. She's widely described as one of Ireland's most left wing prominent politicians and really has some interesting policies. If you go through her policy stance. She believes in Irish neutrality on foreign policy. She believes in international justice. She's been very outspoken about her beliefs that there's a genocide going on in Gaza. She's a harsh hardcore climate change nut as an existential threat to the people and population. Social justice and equality, focusing on the housing crisis, inequality and fordity. Irish language and culture, which is interesting, plans to make Irish the working language. She also is very into decolonization and historical awareness. An emphasis on Ireland's experience of British colonialism and then EU skepticism, which is kind of interesting because I haven't heard her much say anything about the overpopulation of illegal immigrants that are seeming to cause a natural reaction in the Irish people. Now if you're anything like me, man, you pay attention to European politics because I believe that Europe is what's in store for the West. They're just running six months to a year ahead of us. Also I just found it super cool. Jordy, I didn't know if you Dug it too. When Conor McGregor was saying that he was going to run for president, showed up at the White House, that whole thing, you know, I, I'd love to see him kind of walk down receiving his, you know, whatever his president hat looks like, dude. And anymore.

[Jordy]

Is he still.

[David Rutherford]

No, he, he came out outspoken. They made it impossible for him to get enough votes to be placed on the ballot.

[Jordy]

Oh, of course they did.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, they've got that whole thing trim. He would have, he would have won, man. He can beat him up. Well, I think he's, I mean he, what, what he was running for saying hey, we're kicking all these people out of Ireland because Ireland in the future ain't going to be Irish. And, and he got a profound response to that. And you know, I think this person is who took over, it's yet to be seen and how much she's going to be supportive of, of that particular endeavor with illegal immigration or, or replacement or however you want to call it. People seeking asylum from all ass countries. And what I saw that really caught my eye was this video. Can you play that video for me? Of the new Irish Citizens Army.

[Irish Citizen Army Spokesperson]

Address you tonight with a heavy heart but with a firm resolve. We are the Irish Citizen army, also known as the ICA. Formed as of 7 June 2025, we created the Rebirth of the ICA of 1913.

[David Rutherford]

Oh man.

[Irish Citizen Army Spokesperson]

We are all citizens, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters. Driven to finally take action on the intolerable corruption which is forced on us by the Irish and British governments. We also believe that the British government has no right in Ireland and never can have any right in Ireland. We represent all of Ireland's 32 counties. We refuse to witness the suffering of our citizens. Our Irish citizens refuse to be treated as second class citizens on their own islands. We the ica, refused to witness our heritage and culture being erased. We refuse to witness the suffering and killing of innocent Irish citizens. We the ica, will fight for Ireland. We the ica, will take the necessary steps to achieve our goals.

[David Rutherford]

All right, so when I watch that immediate thing I think about are, are all right, it's time. They're, they're, they're roaching that, that moment where they are not going to take any shit anymore from these international hostile takeover asylum seeking crazies who will not assimilate into the Irish culture. Right? And I just go back to the, the Celtic Gallic warriors of the old days, right? The, the Braveheart dude, this is my island, right? That. It just fires me up. The problem is, is These gangs have already been established on the other side in it for years now. You look at the grooming gangs, the Pakistani grooming gangs, and in Britain you look at the other grooming gangs. Over in Sweden you look at some of the radicalized mosque and all these things that are absolutely have infected their way all through European culture. And so now you're going to have the folks start banding together into these militias and they're going to start fighting back. And I'll tell you what, the first time, the next big thing that happens to some innocent child or girl or daughter or victim in one of these countries, that organization is going to go out and they're going to commit mass murder. And they're going to start because they, they believe they're at war, which is the way most of these people that live in these countries are beginning to feel. That's what happens now. You know, you might not believe me, you might think this, this immigration or whatever it is is a healthy thing. But all I'm telling you right now is the people in their own particular lands that now they are the minority and not being supported by their local governments. You're talking about a revolutionary community. All you got to do is go back to the IRA versus the British. I remember when I was first in the SEAL teams, we had an SAS guy come over and talk to us about how you patrol, how you operate against a domestic force internally in urban environments, based on his work he had done against the IRA in the 80s. And so my prediction is that this is gonna start popping up all over the place, right? It's gonna start getting worse and worse. You're gonna have these little fractions, these little new citizen armies or militias that pop up and it's gonna get violent and then it's gonna get really violent. And I just think it's, it's like I said, I think Europe is on the precipice of kind of leading, being the lead in what is going to take place with this, of immigration into these very distinct cultures and communities in Western European countries. Now the Eastern European countries have pretty much said, no, nobody's getting in, nobody's coming in. We're not falling prey to it. And that's why you see, you know, there's such a disdain for those Eastern bloc countries. Meanwhile, those are the ones that after World War II get, got left to the Soviets in Stalin and had to live under these brutal communist reg teams for 50 plus 60 years. So they're not going back into that. I'm telling you that right now there will they will die before they go back to that subjugation, if you will. All right. That's the first story and that I laid that out because you gotta see into the future a little bit. And because we don't have our own little crystal balls, we're not soothsayers. We're not able to. Our ESPN doesn't work real efficiently because of too many head injuries. Right. We have to look at what the, the battlefield is showing us right now. And over there, that's what the battlefield is presenting. That's what's being, that's what's taking place.

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All right, next one. All right. Now Jordy, you and I, we have an insatiable appetite for all things Epstein. Right? Everything from from martyr maid Epstein show to Whitney Webb Epstein show to the one guy that Sean had on who wrote the book about it. Had. He's the one who released the little black book. I forgot what his name of the journalist his name was to everybody and their mother is covering the Epstein because why it's such a critical aspect of of of it's our corrupt government. I think it doesn't matter if you're on the left or you're on the right. You realize that something nefarious has been taking place for a very extensive period of time now. What I always find interesting is usually these radical shifts in political consciousness take place when poll numbers start to collapse. And the one thing that we have seen is after Trump came out and said, what's the. This hoax? It's stupid. We had the, the influencer binders, and look, we got it and there was nothing in there. And then we had. What else did we have, Jordy? We had, we had Bongino and Cash Patel and their, their big eye moment. Like, there's nothing to see here.

[Jordy]

Well, before, before that got on, got in, everyone's like, oh, we're absolutely releasing.

[David Rutherford]

It, releasing everything for years, for years.

[Jordy]

And people got fired up about it, rightfully so. I was fired up about it. And then to see them look like a deer in headlights. What makes me, like, pay attention to something is when, you know, there's always fighting between the left and the right forever and ever, till the end of time. When I see people on the left and the right all screaming about the same thing of like, I want transparency with Epstein stuff. I'm like, pay attention, because the people.

[David Rutherford]

Are screaming about this and demanding it 100%, 100%. And I, and I think, you know, and that's the great irony right now, right? You, you, you know, you had an. Initially, everybody's like, Trump's playing 4D chess and blah, blah, blah and that. And then he's like, it's a hoax. And people are like, what did he just say? And then his approval rating collapses. Then you get Bongino himself, who, I don't. I mean, I listened to hundreds of hours from that dude talking about this fiasco and what it represents as the rot of American, the focal of America, power and elites, right? That is, that's the indicative nature of what Jeffrey Epstein represented. And. And so all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it reemerged. It had gotten quiet, right? For a couple months there. It got real quiet. And then all of a sudden what was interesting is we started to see some. You know, the MAGA split began over the summer. Then we saw two people start to take heavies and one was Thomas Massity and the other was Majority Taylor Greene. And then all of a sudden, now the MAGA movement, the internal washing mag movement, switched and started attacking them and saying, we're going to primary. You we're going to get you out of there. Hell. They're running some Navy SEAL against Massie, which is interesting, you know, and, and then is it perhaps because they were gunning to get these released, right? They had met with a bunch of the survivors. There's like a thousand. They had this big thing a few months ago, right? They're on Capitol Hill, you know, and then all of a sudden they put. They put forth a vote to release it and it got shut down by Mike Johnson. Now, I found that fascinating. And then we also saw before that Pam Bondi reversed. You know, everybody kind of reversed tracks on this. And I love all the speculation. And the speculation is, you know, if you're on the left, Trump was there. Trump worked with him. He had, you know, Miss America podgent. He dealt with a lot of the businessmen that were financing Epstein and other things. You know, he. There was a correlation and that's what. Meanwhile there was, you know, some, some evidence out there. Virginia. Jeffrey never said. He said, you know, kind of absolve Trump. There was a couple other people that tried to absolve Trump before of it. But certainly on, on, you know, on the left, they've brought back. Well, they were friends, whatever. Then on the right, you know, it's like, oh, well, Epstein is. Or Trump was the guy who kicked Epstein out of Mar A Lago. Trump was a FBI plant who took him down. Trump's administration, the one who brought him to justice. Trump, you know, you know, and see both sides gunning for this. And then all of a sudden, fast forward what happens? There's a new vote. And guess what happened on this vote once they both sought out this would be politically useful for either party, which is ironic to me, which is interesting. They had this, this vote and what was it? It was 427 to 1. I'm still waiting for Clay Higgins to do a video about why he didn't. The former from Louisiana. I thought for sure he would have been on that team. But he was the only one who voted against it. I, I don't know what he's.

[Jordy]

Didn't he say something about like, destabilization or some kind of argument from that sense?

[David Rutherford]

There was a hint in a little clip I saw, which is what I think a lot of people in politics are concerned with. Not just politics, finance, scholastic institutions. Because, remember, same club. Club, yeah. Epstein had con. I mean, very connected to what the fashion industry? Very connected to. I mean, originated in the finance industry at Bear Stearns and some others as a fixer, as a Washer of money all the way back. Even when there's. I heard one claim that dude didn't even have a Series 7 license when he was, when he was brokering these deals back in the day. Right. Then you know, obviously he has ties to Bill Gates, he has ties to the Clintons, Clinton foundation, he has ties to all these different people.

[Jordy]

Academia.

[David Rutherford]

Well that's what I was, you know, there's what all the different, like Harvard, he was a part of the Harvard Foundation. He helped raise money for him. You know, and you begin to see, wow, this dude is, is connected. But there's also, you know, connections to people on the right as well too. There's very famous connections of Bill Richards, the former governor. Oh, we see a Democrat, he might have been a Democrat, but very, there's very staunch connections to a bunch of people on the right as well too. Financiers, tech people, you know what he was in my opinion. And this going off me watching and listening to hundreds of hours of, of description about this man's background. In particular, I think three people really did it some justice and that was Whitney Webb, Darrell Cooper and Mike Benz. In terms of how they outlined the details of what he was and how he did it, many people want to just stay fixated on that. He was human trafficking. He was, you know, trafficking little kids and young girls to Epstein island, to his ranch, to his place and. But this dude probably had places all over the world. And I'm here to tell you if you haven't figured this out, there's more than one Epstein. There's hundreds, if not thousands of Epstein's all over the world from all different country. It's called organized cr.

[Jordy]

What if he's not the biggest one even.

[David Rutherford]

I guarantee he's not the biggest one. Absolutely. I mean governments have been engaged in this type of thing from the beginning, from the get go, right? They use honey pot traps, they use illegal money laundering, they use NGOs, they, they, they manipulate organizations, industry, companies, corporations. What are you talking about? I mean government's been doing this since the dawn of time now. They just figured out, all right, well if we use, if we have that plausible Denia use someone else, we're good to go. You know, and I think it's one of the interesting things is as some of the pages, and I guess they said they've released like 30,000 pages on Epstein. And I love the people that are going in there digging out. My favorite one was recently they found that Democrat Representative Stacy Plasket was getting texts from Epstein in his impeachment trial. That's fascinating. Hakeem Jeffries was a trial to elicit money out of Epstein. We certainly know that. The Clinton foundation that he helped set up. The Clinton Foundation. He helped fund the Clinton Foundation. Old Billy Bill, you know, was on Lolita Express 26 times. Guys like Larry Summer just came out at Harvard and said, I have to step away from my roles and responsibilities because of my relationship. We know. Dershowitz, Representative. Dude, there's so much connectivity with all these people. People that I think what you have is you have this profound reality that, oh, my God. This was. And this is why I'm saying this, because once Mike Johnson signed it, which he was reluctant to do for most of the year, he came out and can you play his response for me there? All right, number five, national security concerns. Okay. The discharge requires the Attorney General. General to release within 30 days, quote, classified information to the maximum extent possible. This ignores the principle that declassification should always rest and always has rested with the agency that originated the intelligence. Why? So that they can protect their critical sources and methods. It is incredibly dangerous to demand that officials or employees of the DOJ declassify materials that originated in other agencies and intelligence agencies. Agencies. All right, all right, that's enough. I can't. Listen, we got to protect those intelligence agencies.

[Jordy]

Sources and methods.

[David Rutherford]

Which ones you talk about. Yeah, yeah. Here. Here's the thing. And this is the. My favorite line right now going on and anybody. And this is what chaps my ass, man. More than anything else. There is what aspect of Epstein's operations quantify national security. Because what you're essentially saying right now is I'm going to protect the ICs, right? Because we don't want to expose methods and whatever, but. But we need to also protect national security. It is absolutely obvious that this guy was a fixer for many intelligence agencies, not just our own intelligence agency. It's obvious he had a relationship with Mossad. It's obvious he had a relationship with the French. It's ob. Obvious he had a relationship with Canadians. It's obvious he had relationships with maybe the Russians, with maybe someone. Organizations in Africa, all over the world. This guy was going around setting up arms d. Arms trades, washing money. He had close proximity with JP Morgan Chase and Jamie Diamond. Like, are you kidding me, man? There. There is a net worth network that this guy moved between without any inhibition or struggle. I mean, that was why he got that sweetheart deal in 2009. Man. You can't touch him. He's a Part of intelligence. So you have to realize everybody's complicit in this all the way back to Ronald Reagan. Right? Because there is definitive evidence that Epstein, who was a financier for Anand Khashoggi, who is an arms dealer that helped support the Iran Contra fiasco and was running in with the help of Mossad, was helping purchase and buy weapons and, and doing these deals for Iran and the Contras down in Central America. And that was just his start. I mean, how many other presidents has he been a part of? So let's call Reagan Bush. We know what happened with Clinton, right? Definitely buddies. He was in the White House 17 times with young girls. Right? Bill Clinton, Bill, George Bush. Definitely doing stuff during that group. Right? Then Obama for sure. Or Clinton's. I mean, and even under Trump, nobody was persecuted. Finally, the first Trump administration took him down and then mysteriously he died. Right? So when you begin to think about the magnitude of this, what, what the implications could be, this with how our government, government. How our government conducts intelligence operations, it just once again proves that these individuals that run this have, have. They've completely lost their moral compass. Now, don't get me wrong. You know, espionage is a dirty business. I used to be part of it. I sniffed it. I got a little taste of it. Operated for four years with the agency. Agency operated two years, was an instructor two years. And so I saw some things for sure that was like, whoa, that's how things are done. Yeah, that's how it's done. So don't. I'm not a prude when it comes to doing certain things. But when you're allowing an asset or a source of some kind knowingly to run and traffic children for your benefit, you've lost the. You've lost the moral direction. Correction. And that needs to be punishable. And every single one of any reportable person by those survivors or by the information we have in our asset, in our intelligence collection at every level, every single person who helped and, and got that dude to where he was able to do that stuff needs to go to jail for a long, long time period. End of sentence. And that's the kind of. Guess what that starts. Militias happening. That's why I played that first. Because when you start to lose complete faith in your government of them doing nefarious stuff that goes against the very fabric and foundation of what the country is built on, which is our Christian beliefs and values, then you're with the people. That's what makes people angry.

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[Jordy]

What's more destabilizing than releasing the Epstein documents? Like unredacted, just raw or not releasing him?

[David Rutherford]

Not releasing him. It's already begun. It's already the. The. It's already begun. There's so much that's come out from whether the Iraq war, from bailing out the banks of, of you know, the, the collapse, the economic crisis, the pull out of of of Afghanistan, the housing fiasco of corporations owning houses, the unrealistic bills you have to pay for school and being in debt, debt, servitude and then the 38 trillion dollar debt we have. Like you're gonna drive people where they have no hope anyway. So who gives a damn? And that's why we did that show on the soul the 24 year old man. Because that's what I'm telling you. If you don't check this and give the people against corruption, this will continue. You will see those videos in America and the Appalachians out in the plains of Idaho or Or on the coast or in New York City, you're going to see these videos start to pop up. I'm telling you. All right. Now, I also find it interesting that around the same time all this is happening right where we've got, and I forgot to mention the illegal immigration having what, probably 60 million illegals in the country right now just taxing our economy at every single level. So what do you have? You have Trump come in, first thing close border. I'm gonna start kicking these people out. You got these ICE raids, HHS raids. You have drone striking cartel boats, drug boats coming into the country, making threats to Maduro and Sonneborn or what's her name, shine bomb down in Mexico. You've got threats of stopping the illegal transaction of just wasteful money flowing into Ukraine, the corrupt, most second most corrupt country in the world. Right. And what do you have? All of a sudden now you have a response, and the response is, can you bring up the video of the Dems? And. And so what do you have? You have now the public make. They're trying to impede these arrests, trying to impede these deportations. They're trying to stoke it as, oh, all they're going out and they're ripping some substitute teacher at whatever. The last three weeks, we found that there have been multiple mayors of towns that are illegal, that are here illegally. That's how bad the system has become. That's the corruption. Right, so now what do you have? You got it for me?

[Jordy]

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[David Rutherford]

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[Jordy]

All right, pull it up here.

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You can refuse illegal order orders. You must refuse illegal orders. I stop it right there. I'm. I'm going to puke right now. It's, it's. This makes me. You want to talk about getting pissed off right now, Jordy, that is. I don't. I'm telling you what as, as a person that was given orders for a long period of time and what the way I was threatened with orders or doing illegal stuff to come from these son of bitches is the most repulsive thing in my. Was it, was it illegal? Was disobeying a legal order when you have your own server in your bathroom at your house with Hillary Clinton, Was it illegal when you start a war overseas unnecessarily or you drone strike American citizens without due process, Is it illegal that you force. You allow illegal wiretaps on your political opposition? Is it illegal that you illegally arrest people that had a right to protest January 6th and you throw them in jail, jail for four years? Is it illegal to order vaccines on military personnel who refuse that order? I mean, the list just keeps going on and on and on. These people have no shame whatsoever in saying, in stoking, which has already taken place from the very first minute that Trump came down that escalator and went into office, the IC community, the military community had. We have a leaked phone call, call basically from General Milley, the head of the Joint Chiefs, calling his counterpart in China saying, don't worry, we have control essentially of the nuclear weapons. But yet these people are telling those same deep state that are in those offices on the front lines to resist lawful orders to go out and take care of the illegal things that have been done. And most importantly, you, you have these kinetic strikes against cartels that have killed on average 100,000 people in the United States or more for the last five years in a row. That's more people than World War II. But they don't want you to see that. They want you to see that we're going after little Maria Jose Canzada, right, who came here illegally, but she was fleeing persecution or whatever it is. And you know what? Granted, there are going to be mistakes, but the overwhelming majority of people that are going out, they have, have huge criminal records and they came in illegally. But you want to just mess that. Don't listen to that. Don't listen to that illegal mayorkas breaking the law, the Constitution, the laws of the state by allowing that to take place, don't mind that. But I'm going to tell you what, Here, here's what I want you to do. If you get an illegal order, or one that you think is illegal, which is really what they're saying, I want you to defy that and be treasonous. Great. Sedition, that's what those were. Those were seditious insinuation situations. So what happens? Because these people are definitely clever in the game they're playing, the President comes out, drops something untrue social, basically says sedition is punishable by death, which in term what happened to these people, they immediately come out, in particular, Senator Slotkin, who by the way, is a former CIA case officer, analyst or CIA employee, which is funny, I'm going to get in that a second. She comes right back and say, all right, today, here you go. The king or the unelected, you know, this, this person who's trampling over the Constitution is calling for my arrest, persecution and death. That's what we're dealing with. He walked right into their dumbass trap, right? But that's, you know, if you get Trump's arrogance, his ego, you got him. And so that's what's taking place. So what do we have gave? Guess what? There's going to be some of those military people that are, are came in under the Bidens that believe in those things, that believe in these ideologies, that, guess what, we're going to see videos from them here soon. They're going to put on their hoods, they're going to alter their voice and they're going to look and we are the Democratic Citizens army, and we are here to tell you we are no longer going to be subjected to your empirical rule over us. We are actively going to engage what we should do, which is our constitutional right to throw off the chains of an illegal government. You're going to see that just like you saw it in Ireland. Now, Slotkin, man, she's a peach. I tell you what, that individual, she went in for the CIA after 9 11, 0305, was an analyst and briefer, wasn't an, wasn't an officer for, at CIA for Middle East 0607 led CIA assessment team in Iraq evaluating on the ground intelligence. And by the way, if you don't remember, we had super great on the ground intelligence in the CIA in 06 07, didn't we? Didn't we? Got a lot of dudes killed during those times, so great job. Slotkin, then 0709 director, Iraq Policy on National Security. Security, right. So, you know, I just think this individual is a person that I don't know. She's, she's in there for a reason. She got elected. They placed her in that position as center for a reason. You want to play something there, bud?

[Jordy]

Oh, I didn't know. If you want me to play this.

[David Rutherford]

Let's hear that one.

[Jordy]

Yeah, yeah. See what she said.

[David Rutherford]

The Slotkin senator from Michigan, former CIA officer. Earlier today, President Trump threatened myself and a number of other service and veteran lawmakers with arrest, trial and stop it right there. Because he, right there, he did not make a threat to them. What? You know, he, I mean, there's definitely. The insinuation is like, hey, if you call for sedition, that this is the result. But he didn't put. Senator Slotkin, if you are, you are acting in a sedition manner, I'm going to arrest you and I'm going to try you for treason. Like he didn't say, say that. But this is the game. This is the game the other side plays. They want violence to ensue. They want to stoke this battle that's going to rage internally in the country.

[Jordy]

Just like they call for violence.

[David Rutherford]

Oh, for sure.

[Jordy]

That was a direct call she made. And they freaking tried to imprison and impeach and whatever Trump for years based on that principle. When he did not call for that, they called.

[David Rutherford]

I mean, he was, he's the worst guy in here. What two active assassination attempts against him at as a result. I mean, that's what I'm saying. We are moving into this hyper state, this kinetic state where violence is going to be the only answer. That's the way young men are going to feel here soon. I'm telling you that, I'm telling you it's taken place. You know, she worked for Bush and then when Obama went in under Barack Obama, she included positions at the State Department, Department of Defense. She later served as acting Assistant Secretary of Defense for international security affair 14 to 17, overseeing policies on Russia, Europe, Middle East, Africa. In fact, there's a great picture of Biden when he was vice president going over to Ukraine at the same time he threatened their DA who was looking into Burisma. She was on the plane, on the trip for that whole thing too. So we have no idea how down the rabbit hole she goes with some of the policies that have gone since then. But again, it's just, again it's this game that these politicians, these intelligence personnel, they're playing because guess what, man, the jig is coming up that all of these nefarious activities that have been taking place over the last 50 years or since the. What since the, the Church Committee. That's what's happened. In fact, if you want to, if you want to stifle young American men in hoods talking about their own citizen office army, I, I would recommend President and Congress and your unification. You have another Church Committee style assessment of the intelligence agencies right now that would benefit the country. There's no doubt, my military mind, my intel mine, that we need to see some of these rights being wrong. Because here's what's going to happen, right? Epstein files are going to come out, they're going to be redacted all the way through. Protected those intelligence service, thereby infuriating people even more, right? More bickering, more of this call for the other side being arrested and implicated and all this. And that hate is just building and building and building across the aisles, man. And what happens when you see this and you give up, you exacerbate the hopes of young people that the future looks bright, they get, get angry. And you have plenty of people online right now calling actively to be violent at every level, on every side. And so, you know, when you look at the stuff that's going on right now, man, all I got to say is if you have the opportunity to get behind an anti corruption stance, dance and call for the. I don't care if it's Republicans that are involved with this or Democrats or liberals. I don't give a damn. All I want is for the corruption to be exposed so we can begin to regain some confidence in these institutions that we are having forced down our throats that we have to adhere to. We have to follow the rules, we have to pay taxes, we have to live in this old thing. And if we don't, if I don't pay my taxes, I go to jail. If I disobeyed a direct order, I went to the brig. If I, if I call out actions against my government, I'm going to be tried and thrown in jail just like J6, you know, in solitary confinement for four years. They're going to take my bank accounts if I say the wrong thing on the Internet. Well, guess what? To all you corrupt ass politicians in power right now, your time clock is, is ticking. And it's by your own accord, not ours. This is on you so. Well, I've had that bottled up in me for a little bit now, Jordy.

[Jordy]

I feel good to get out.

[David Rutherford]

Not really, because it's, it's me, it's Me contextualizing the. The dysfunction of where we're at in our society and where we're at in our country. So it's, it's disheartening, man. Especially because I have four young daughters.

[Jordy]

Daughters, though, because I'm trying to. I'm trying to understand this. So, like, I look to people like you to try to understand what's going on, you know.

[David Rutherford]

Well, I appreciate that, man. Again, this is all my opinion. This doesn't represent I hard or Clay and Buck or, or anybody I'm affiliated with. This. Even Jordy, you know, exempt Jordy from my, My thoughts and opinion. I'm, you know, I don't want to bring him in, get any hate on him. I just believe that, that we're growing to one of those crucial times to where young men are going to become so disenfranchised that they're going to begin to act and then the rest of us are going to be forced into sides and then chaos is going to ensue. So the pattern, though.

[Jordy]

Yeah, that's the issue. You've just seen the pattern because of your experience and background. So you're. It sounds like. I mean, I love talking to people who've been in business for, you know, 40 years because they can look at a problem and say, oh, I've seen this problem 30 times before. I. I know it's about to play out. So when I look at this stuff, I look to you and I'm like, what patterns are you seeing? It just seems like you're just like noticing, hey, you guys are. You guys are poking the powder keg right now and playing.

[David Rutherford]

They're lighting the fuse. They are lit. The fuse is lit, man. I mean, that's the thing. And we're in a situation where nobody seems to be pulling back. Nobody seems. They all seem to be digging in and digging in and digging in more and more, more and more. And that's not what we need. All right, I'm not. Quite frankly, I'm not. All I know what would help the American public is if we could have some actual legitimate open hearings where people has to testify under. Under oath and hard questions where if they lie, they perjure themselves and they face criminal activity. Right. We need a church style evaluation. And we also need some of the people that have been committing these crimes to go to jail. We need the men and women that participated in Epstein's illegal activities within the intelligence community. Without the intelligence community, foreign countries, all of it, all of them, it will be a massive, painful to experience, to awaken to the magnitude of the corruption that exists within our government, within our society. But it also begin the healing process.

[Jordy]

It's less painful than a civil war.

[David Rutherford]

Way less painful. I just started, just started reading about it again and. Civil War. Yeah, I'm getting back in. I'm trying to do some research on what kicked it off in the 10 years leading up to it and those details that are difficult to find and hopefully in the next month or so I'll, we can do a show about the kickoff of the Civil War and how it took place.

[Jordy]

What's scary to me is that I'm sure when it started, like even in the United States, our civil war, when it started at the time we look back on it and say it started at so and so time. But when it was starting, probably no one thought or realized there was a civil war going on.

[David Rutherford]

No. Then that's what's going on. I mean that's when you look at, listen to certain guys from our community, they were already at war. Yeah, you listen to Clay or em man, we're already at war. This is a war for the minds of the people. This is a war for the consciousness of a country and that's what's taking place. And there are people that are manipulating that consciousness every single day and driving people into their tribes. They want chaos because that's easier to control. Chaos is if you can protect yourself from the downfall of the kinetic nature of chaos and war and make it it through which elites in many cases seem to be able to do. You know, it's, it's, it's the 24 year old man that gets wiped out. The young, the young kid that gets wiped out, his young family gets destroyed. So yeah man.

[Jordy]

All right, real quick, last point is just want to say I understand the argument about or I can understand somewhat saying hey there's could be some things are so destabilizing that we need to proceed with caution. I, I, I can respect and understand that line of. I just don't understand that how they're not seeing how destabilizing, not releasing things, not being transparent, not having some kind of perp walks would be because they've.

[David Rutherford]

Been going at it for so long and they don't care. Yeah, nobody's nobody. When, when, how. All right, here's a perfect example. You're walking home, whatever or coming in and you know you, you, you see this, I don't know, this something valuable. You see it in the same place every day ever over and over and you always kind of wonder why isn't that, why is that just there out in the open, right? And so then you come back and, and you know, you look around one day and you bend over and you pick it up and you put it in your pocket and nothing happens, right? Then you come back, you know, a couple days later, it's, there's something there again that's valuable. So then you're like, oh, all right. So then you get a pattern, then you start picking it up, then you start making value. You know it's wrong, you know it's illegal, but it's pattern. No one's stopping you, right? And then one day you come over there, something valuable, we pick it up, there's cops staring there looking at you and cop just waves at you and you pick it up and put it back and keep going. So what are you gonna, what do you think? These people that are in doing insider trading, that are living luxurious lives, getting special deals with their companies, putting on boards if you're in the military, making seven figures when you get out writing books, speaking, becoming politicians, working for the ic, doing cool, you know, what do you think? People are just going to be like, ah, I can't do it anymore. My consciousness, your consciousness erodes slightly over time every day. And the consciousness of our country has eroded, eroded slightly over time to the point where we're comfortable living a debaucherous life. That's where we're at. All right, thank you everybody again. Please like subscribe, share with people. We're very blessed to be, have this opportunity to be on. I hope I, I was able to contextualize some of this with you, put it into the, the way I kind of analyze it so you can frame it out a little bit, bit better. Don't get me wrong, I love America. I love this country. I love the opportunities that exist for everybody. But we, we need a grasp on morality again. So thank you so much Jordy. Thank you. Thank you to my, my family, thank you my friends, thank you to Christ and thank you all. God bless you. Hoo yah.

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