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David Rutherford Show: Who Was Jeffrey Epstein Really Working For? | Alex Newman Explains

Date: March 6, 2026
Guest: Alex Newman (LibertySentinel.org, author of "Deep State")
Host: David Rutherford

Episode Overview

In this episode, David Rutherford interviews journalist and author Alex Newman to unravel the question: "Who was Jeffrey Epstein really working for?" Drawing on extensive research, recently released Epstein documents, and his expertise on the so-called "Deep State," Newman argues that the key to understanding Epstein’s influence and operations lies in his connections, particularly with the Rothschild banking dynasty. The conversation delves into the intersection of finance, intelligence agencies, transhumanist agendas, and the lack of meaningful prosecutions. It’s a sweeping, detailed exploration of the Epstein case’s darkest corridors.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Rothschild–Epstein Connection

• Financial Nexus:
  • Newman asserts that “Jeffrey Epstein was working for the Rothschilds. There is no doubt about it. He specifically says so. The Rothschilds specifically say so.” (01:46)
  • Les Wexner, the only living individual listed as a co-conspirator, publicly testified before Congress that “it was the Rothschilds who recommended Epstein to him — it was led Rothschild.” (01:58)
• Banking Dynasty Background:
  • Newman recounts the Rothschilds’ historical influence, highlighting their role in financing governments and shaping major European conflicts—including tipping the Napoleonic Wars by backing Britain (02:34–04:20).
• Epstein Payments:
  • Cites documents showing the Rothschilds paid Epstein $25 million at once for vaguely defined “work”, and details his close correspondence with Ariane Rothschild, revealing personal friendship beyond business (05:08–06:36).

2. The Role of Intelligence Agencies

• Deep State Structure:
  • “The intelligence agencies… are important players in all this, but they don’t run the world. They’re the operational arm doing the dirty work of what I call… the Deep State behind the Deep State. That would be Rothschilds, Rockefellers.” (07:57)
  • Epstein had ties with both the CIA and Mossad. U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta was told to back off Epstein because “this guy’s with U.S. and allied intelligence, leave him alone.” (08:31)
• Rockefeller Linkages:
  • "David Rockefeller invited Rothschild onto the Trilateral Commission… Epstein served on the board of Rockefeller University. He was very close with David Rockefeller, just like the Rothschilds, [who] helped build him up.” (08:08)

3. Challenges with the Epstein Files

• Obfuscation and AI Search:
  • The huge volume (potentially 6 million documents) combined with the DoJ’s inadequate search tools makes investigation difficult. Newman’s team uses AI but admits this is just “the tip of the tip of the iceberg.” (11:31)
  • "There are enormous numbers of redactions that are totally inappropriate and I would argue illegal." (01:40)
• Lost and Destroyed Evidence:
  • “Jeffrey Epstein ordered enormous amounts of documents and files destroyed. Somebody obviously tipped him off before some of these raids… what we’re looking at here is the tip of the tip of the iceberg.” (12:03)
  • “Even just with what we've been able to find over the last few weeks, it’s clear that this is huge and a lot more work needs to be done…not just by journalists, but criminal investigators.” (13:59)

4. Science, Transhumanism, and Eugenics

• Epstein’s Bizarre Interests:
  • Newman spotlights Epstein’s deep involvement in “this bizarre push to basically, these people believe they’re going to take control of evolution...become basically like gods.” (12:48)
  • Names his connections with Harvard’s Martin Nowak and ASU’s Michael Crow (also head of In-Q-Tel, CIA’s venture fund), plus top figures at MIT, Columbia, UCLA. (13:15)

5. Prosecution and Accountability

• Political Action (or Inaction):

  • The U.S. lags behind Europe in accountability: “We’re seeing a lot more progress on accountability in Europe than we are in the United States…what’s happening in Europe is nothing to write home about.” (16:20)
  • Congressional voices raising the issue include Lauren Boebert, Nancy Mace, Tim Burchett, and Thomas Massie (though the latter is facing political isolation). (17:14)
  • “This is one of those issues that I don’t think is going away. We’re talking about the systematic rape and sexual torture and abuse of children. That’s not something that’s just a minor political inconvenience.” (16:57)
  • The UN has taken a stronger public stance than the US government, calling Epstein’s crimes “crimes against humanity” and demanding prosecutions. (18:54)

• Local and International Legal Pathways:

  • If the federal DOJ won’t act, Newman calls for state and local law enforcement to step in, as Epstein committed crimes across multiple jurisdictions (New York, Florida, New Mexico, France, etc.). (23:24–24:24)
  • “Why has nobody searched this ridiculous property? There's a reference in the documents to two dead bodies of girls buried on this [New Mexico] ranch.” (23:55)
  • Praises Norway for acting against protected officials and argues U.S. agencies have the tools but “just need to get a backbone and do it.” (24:52–26:30)

6. The Power of Independent Media

• Breaking the Legacy Media Firewall:
  • “When you collectivize… your show, Alex’s show, Rogan show, Sean Ryan show, Megyn Kelly’s, Tucker’s show… it usurps the numbers of mainstream media. They’re non-players anymore.” (21:55)
  • Host notes the consolidation of mainstream outlets acts as a “firewall” protecting criminal networks.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Rothschilds & Epstein:

  • “One thing is 100% clear. Jeffrey Epstein was working for the Rothschilds. There is no doubt about it.” — Alex Newman (01:42)
  • “Les Wexner…testified that it was the Rothschilds who recommended Epstein to him.” — Alex Newman (01:58)

• On the Intelligence Agencies:

  • “They use state cover to be able to get away with things that would be criminal activity in any other context. And we see that with Epstein.” — Alex Newman (08:27)
  • “He was clearly connected with the CIA…Mossad. In fact, when the US attorney… was going after him, he was told, hey, this guy’s with US and allied intelligence, leave him alone.” — Alex Newman (08:29)

• On Document Suppression:

  • “…just the tip of the tip of the iceberg. But even that shows you very clearly that this was a massive operation, that there’s obviously this nexus with the Rothschilds, that there’s this nexus with the Rockefellers, that intelligence agencies are involved.” — Alex Newman (12:23)

• On Transhumanism:

  • “These people believe they’re going to take control of evolution…become basically like gods. And this comes through really clearly in [Epstein's] conversations with [scientists].” — Alex Newman (12:55)

• On Political Will:

  • “If we can't stop this kind of horror against children…why do we even have a government?” — Alex Newman (17:16)
  • “When the UN is doing more to expose Epstein Associates than your own government, you know you’ve got a problem.” — Alex Newman (18:54)

• On Law Enforcement Action:

  • “There is a nexus with all kinds of jurisdictions…nobody has searched this 10,000-acre ranch…Why has nobody searched this ridiculous property? There's a reference in the documents to two dead bodies of girls buried on this ranch.” — Alex Newman (23:24–23:55)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:32] – Rothschilds’ direct link to Epstein, Les Wexner's Congressional testimony
• [04:55] – Rothschilds’ historical influence & Napoleonic Wars
• [05:08–06:36] – Rothschilds’ payment to Epstein; correspondence with Ariane Rothschild
• [07:55] – Deep State: Intelligence as operational arm for global elites
• [08:08] – Rockefeller connections to Epstein
• [08:31] – Intelligence agencies sheltering Epstein; Alex Acosta anecdote
• [11:31] – Magnitude of the Epstein files and difficulties with search, AI, and redactions
• [12:48] – Epstein’s role in transhumanism/eugenics and his scientific contacts
• [16:20] – Lack of American progress on prosecution; European developments
• [17:16] – Symbolic importance of prosecuting child abuse and trafficking
• [18:54] – UN’s stronger response versus the U.S. government
• [23:24] – Urging state/local legal action against Epstein’s network; New Mexico ranch
• [26:30] – Immunity deals and law enforcement tactics for whistleblowers
• [28:11] – Alex Newman's upcoming projects and where to follow his work

Where to Find Alex Newman & Further Reading

• Website & Newsletter: LibertySentinel.org — 2–3 editions weekly
• X (Twitter): @AlexNewmanjou
• Books:
  • “Deep State: The Invisible Government Behind the Scenes” (2nd edition coming)
  • “Awoken Weaponized” (with Robert Bortons)
• Upcoming Article:
  • In-depth cover story in upcoming New American magazine on Epstein

Summary

This episode presents a layered, conspiratorial, but heavily sourced look into the enduring questions around Jeffrey Epstein's patrons and power. Alex Newman makes the case that the Rothschild dynasty (in concert with Rockefellers and others) sits above intelligence agencies in the broader architecture of global influence—with Epstein serving as their agent in both finance and science. The inadequacy of current investigations and redactions of vital evidence, frustrations at the lack of US prosecutions, and the dangerous scale of systemic criminality are recurring themes, as is the need for a broader, more courageous push from journalists, politicians, and law enforcement at all levels.

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