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David Rutherford Show: Why Most Men Are Weak (And How to Fix It) – Bas Rutten
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Dave Rutherford
Is something that you have to master. Today I have one of the people that has mastered violence both in and outside of the ring at the Highest possible level, Mr. Boss Rutten today on the David Rutherford Show. Boss, it's a wonderful privilege and a pleasure to welcome you on the Dave Rutherford Show. Sir, you are a living legend and just so honored that you would come on with me today.
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Bas Rutten
Yeah, yeah. Although you know, that thing that mastered the virus outside, you know, maybe a street fighting, but once I start meeting, you know, I start training the SEAL teams. You know I always thought I was a tough guy and then I meet these guys and I go, maybe not so tough. So no, no, that goes to those guys, trust me.
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Dave Rutherford
Let's just start with that then because you know, one of the coolest things that I remember from being in the teams is we had all this great exposure to these incredible fighters from that era. From I went in, in the mid-90s, late 90s, you know, from Tony Blauer, we had Ken Shamrock that would work with us. We had all kinds of just incredible pride fighters and MMA fighters that would come and work with us. How long have you been working with military units and, and what different types of, of, of training regimens would you put them through?
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Bas Rutten
Let me see. I think I started around 2004 or 5, I think maybe. No, no, no. After my fight. So 2006, that's when I started working with, with the teams and, and I did that for quite some time. Like we did eight years. I would go week there or they would come to me and then, you know, we did it once or twice here it was, it was really cool. And then from there you know, you learn other teams are jumping on that team as well. So that we got C7 now I'm working with the C4 Foundation. That helps. Yeah, so I'm really, I'm teaching there still. And then we got teams also coming in but they also to help teams of military guys, SEALs who had PTSD because you know, you guys see the most crazy things there are of course and they, they, they help their families, men together. That's, that's what the C4 foundation does. And I'm really enjoying it. You know, I go to the yearly charity events, do some things there. We sell private classes from me and to people and unbelievably people are paying for it a good money because it's of course it's a donation and then to have something in between in for it. That's always nice for the people. So yeah, I, I really enjoy with working these guys. I've been a guy from my, my, from my childhood of everything is with me, it's habits, you know. I enjoy when people are on time and when they're true to their word and all these things, you know and, and that's when I found, when I found the SEALs. Yeah, the Marines and all these guys. Of course I trained them all. That's when you figure out, okay, that's exactly what I want. You know what they say they do and when they say they're there, seven o', clock, they're going to be there quarter to seven. And that's me. I, I enjoy that when people do that.
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Dave Rutherford
Well, it's interesting, you know, there's, there's a few types of. I guess you know, because fighting is a lifestyle, being a seal is a lifestyle. And there's, there are these commonalities across that warrior class. And you know, I think one as we look at know some of the challenges facing our young men today, I think one of those, that aspect of having a regimented and disciplined life is, is, is something that has escaped them either from being too connected via the Internet or their phones. But, but it's really something that helps pretty much develop all aspects of, of your personality. Can you just talk about that a little bit and the impact that that type of discipline and, and why combatives is such a positive aspect of shaping young men in particular to become, you know, better adults.
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Bas Rutten
You know, it's, it's very simple. It's living by the natural rules. Right? I mean somebody sent me a picture yesterday by my, my son in law actually and it was in 2000. I can look it up right now but, but it's somewhere then you can. Okay, I'm gonna show because it's crazy. This was. There was a guy who was £400 and in 1890 they. People paid to see a person like that being £400 because it was unheard of. Nobody was like that, a 400 pound guy. It was the circus. People would go there and pay for it because it was something you didn't see. You see. And that slowly but surely is becoming too soft. You know, the whole world becomes too soft. But if you just live by the rules, everybody wants to be happy and we all buy our happiness. You know, we think happiness, pleasure is happiness, but it's not. You know, we just buy the new car but that those dopamine effect goes away again and then you need the newest one because the better one. Why, why, why would we need all that stuff? And I was a victim to that as well, you know, until I started seeing these things that go Ben, it's so sad. We complain about everything. We have the best. Like 100 years ago we didn't have warm showers. That's like in 1921 or something. This is where it came out. I mean think about that. And now it's, you know, I do the Exodus 90, it starts on January 5th. It's a Catholic program. For three months you can only take cold showers. You have two fasting days. You know, you can't watch TV, you can't go on The Internet, you can't do anything only for your job. You can do it for the rest. You can. So now you have to start reading books. But once I tell people that and I say, oh, by the way, you can only take cold showers, 70% hooks off, they're not doing it anymore. And I go, how can you, how can you even say that in front of me? You're not ashamed that you can say that? You cannot take a cold shower? And I think that is what is wrong. And if we keep feeding our pleasures and we're just buying our precious, then pleasures don't mean anything anymore, you know, but once you have to work for something and you get some discipline and you work hard for whatever it is. I like, my, my grandson is here. My, my, my son in law is here and I'm cleaning up the front yard and he says, let me do it. I said no. I actually enjoy this because after I'm done, I feel good about what I just did. Other people say I'm going to do tomorrow, I'm going to do it tomorrow. You see, I think we need to change that. I think a person, a real man, is in control of his mind and of his body. And once you're dead, that's, that's a real man. The guy who can say no after two drinks to a third drink, the man can say no to all the freaking vices out there. And there's a lot of them who can after an hour say, hey, you know, today I'm going to spend one hour on online. And as you put a clock to it, it's either 2 times 30 minutes or whatever it is. But you know, I just said it to my wife this morning. It, the average 17 year old spends 91% of his free time online right now. So all your goals, everything that you want to try to fulfill a lot is gone. There's no time for it anymore because you don't have time. No, you spent eight hours a day on that freaking thing. So it needs a big change. I think we see it already. A lot of kids are starting to see it because they want to be like a tough guy. And it's not even a tough guy. A real man is just a guy who has that under control. That's a real man, a tough guy. If you break that down, the definition is a guy wants to fight or. But that's what the dictionary says. That's not a tough guy at all. He's not in control of any of his emotions.
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Dave Rutherford
Right.
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Bas Rutten
You know, and all his vices once you're not in control, you're not a tough man, you're a slave to all these vices out there, you know. And once that clicks with me, which was when I got back to the church and it was in 2014, it was a hit in my face, man. It was like, whoa, geez, I've been really like that, you know. Okay, now let's just never too late to change, right? Let's see if I can completely control everything in my life, every aspect. And it's hard, but you know, it takes a lot of work and some of these things take a lot of time, but you got to stay on it. It's like a habit. You'd have to create a new habit. And once the habit is there, you got to be very vigilant because as easy. It's not easy to get acquire it, but it's really easy to lose it again if you just don't do it a few times, you see. So yeah, thankfully my mindset has always been like on time, like I said before, true to my word. So whatever I tell myself I really want to do. You're the first person in the world. They always say that you shouldn't lie to the most important one because once you start lying to yourself, that's when addiction, that's where everything starts. So once you say, okay, tomorrow morning, going to train at 8 o', clock, work out tomorrow at 8 o' clock, because if you don't, you already became weaker, it's easier to say no the next time, you know, and that becomes a thing. And then suddenly it's like it doesn't mean anything anymore because you already said 50 times, yes, and you didn't do it. Now you become weak. And that's the same with drugs, with alcohol, with sex, with food, with, with, with all, every vice out there. Control devices control the senses, you know, once you can do that, you become such a better person. I'm reading Marcus Aelius, you know, the book, you know, and he, he was not a big question fan, actually persecuted them. But if you look, these are all the Catholic principles that are, you know, Catholics. Not about praying all day long. No Catholic is simply having yourself under control. If you look at the Knights Templars and, and all these, these guys, those were real men and they came home and they put the wife on a pedestal. They were the best husbands, the best fathers. No vices, no nothing. Yes. Other bad ones. Everyone has bad ones, of course, but we in society, we focus on those. No, no, no, let's focus on the 97% of the other ones who do really good things. What about that? You know, but that's not the world. Because it's easier to point at the bad people so that you don't have to do it as well. It's all comfort. That's what it all is. And it shouldn't be comfort.
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Dave Rutherford
Well, it's interesting, you know, as I, as I again revisited your history and you, you know, from overcoming your sickness as a kid, right, from being kind of shut down by your fighting and then you finding it and getting in and then, you know, even while during your professional career, constantly adapting to the different styles that you were facing and, and learning and getting better. And then, you know, my favorite one was, you know, I watched your YouTube video on finding your faith and, you know, again, realizing there was some. A missing piece of your armor, if you will, that armor of God and then adapting and getting into it. You know, how. How are the. What are the ways that people can become aware there's a gap in their life and that they should change? And what. And what are they looking for to. To guide them towards a change, a more positive change, to give them strength or control, as you call that discipline of your emotional state?
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Bas Rutten
They should realize that they're a slave to whatever vice they're doing. If it's food, it's food. If you look in the mirror, you're grossly overweight. You're fat. That's what you should call it. Also, don't call it overweight, call it fat. Look at David Goggins, right? He said, at the moment I said the word fat. That's what's. When I started changing. Call it what it is. We all try to pat these things down. Oh, no, you can be any person you want to be. You can't, you can't. I want to be a jet fighter pilot, but my ADHD is not going to work. I'm going to crash the freaking thing. You see, there's always these things that you can do. I would say be honest to yourself. Find something that you love. And then, you know, just imagine what you've been doing right now. It didn't work for your entire life. Well, you're going to have to change because the definition of what we always say, insanity, right? That's what it is. Doing the same thing over again. Expect a different outcome. It's not working. So you're going to have to change. And change is hard for a lot of people. But you. If you. As a New Year's resolution coming up if, by the way, 91% of 92% doesn't fulfill the New Year's resolutions. But if you just for six weeks, go to a gym, you watch your food and go for six weeks to a gym, you just force yourself to do it. You're going to be blown away with what you can do in six weeks, with watching your food and working out. We have these contests at our gym. I used to, because I sold the gym now. But as you will change people completely in six weeks. And then it's just six weeks. But once you're in there and you see the change and you start feeling better because the mind and body needs to work together. If you have an unhealthy body, the mind doesn't work. If I go to do a show and have to memorize a big opening, you know, I always work out in the morning. Why? Because that memorization goes in half the time if I work out. And if I don't work out, I'm going to have to have struggling much more. You just need to be completely in sync as what we were designed for. And once you start doing that, then six weeks in, two months in. But that's too long for people. We have the short attention span.
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Bas Rutten
That's why they do. This is all in design, you know. But if you, if you really do it, then you see the fruits of it. And once you start seeing the fruits of it, you're going to go, whoa, that's only six weeks. I can do this longer. And that's when people start to change. And yes, you fall back like I was two days ago. I drank a few drinks here and you know, we get a big party, 30 people there. It happens. So be it. Boom. Next day, rest and working out again. Oh, but I don't feel like working out. If a little bit of a hangover work out. You know, if you put some time apart for a workout, use that work. Use that time. Even when you're sick, go very light, but still use that time so you don't break that habit and you do something, you know, and that's it. And everybody can do it. And it's amazing. The people who are doing it, they go like, I wish that everybody would see this because it is so good. And it's really like that. You don't get sick anymore. Just this morning I talked to my wife. My wife said to me, says, you notice we don't get sick anymore. And it's just watching food and just working out. That's it. It's really not science. It's just doing what we are designed to do. And that overeating, it all comes from something. It's hard, but you're going to have to make that step and you're going to have to make the change.
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Dave Rutherford
I love it. I love it. All right, let's get into some more of the deeper psychological aspects that impede those changes. And I, and I, I believe, and this is based on, you know, not, you know, my career in the teams, but at the CIA going downrange, is that the one, you know, constant state or emotion was always fear, regardless, you know, there was always fear there in some capacity. And I think as I, you know, spent a bunch of years trying to research fear and where it comes from and how it kind of manipulates our perceptions, you know, I was able to go back and look at the ways that I persevered in the midst when the fear was greatest. And then also, you know, talking to some of my friends who have, you know, 400, 500 combat missions, you know, and going, hey, man, you know, on your, you know, 450th combat mission, were you afraid? And then like, being rut, are you an idiot? Yeah, of course I was afraid. I just had all these other things I had done, so I was able to execute on whatever the mission in front. So could you just give your thoughts on what fear is and then how, as. What do we have that we can not necessarily control fear, but manage it and understand it and then use it as a driver?
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Bas Rutten
Well, you kind of said it already. It's just preparation for whatever you're going to do. You know, and if you go, if you go to a fight, for instance, and you. And, you know, you cannot go the distance, there's always this fear because you know that if this guy turns it up and you'll get. You're going to lose the fight. So make sure that you're always in shape. And that's the same with you guys. And that's what I always say, oh, MMA is so dangerous. No, no, it is a referee. You guys get killed. You know, you don't know how you react the first time. Nobody knows. You know, it's like if you're a good fighter in the gym and you get sparring, you're working in circles around even the world champs. Doesn't mean anything if you can perform it under pressure. Some people fault. A lot of them fault and a lot of them. And a bunch of them don't. And the ones who start controlling it, like they can do it in the gym, which took like nine fights for me. Took a long time until I was finally relaxed, you know, but it's just doing it. The problem with military is that you do it and you make a mistake, you might get shot in the head, you see, we make a mistake, we get armed, we tap, and the fight is over. So what? Nothing really happens. So the cause and effect is always very big and it depends on whatever it is. I was, in the beginning, I was more nervous to do interviews than I was for fighting. And then you do 10 interviews, it becomes normal, you know, Everything becomes normal. Everything is almost like a vice, you know, if you really think about it, you know, because, you know, you sensitize it. I always say the PP Tom guy who becomes a rapist, well, it starts with looking and that at a certain moment doesn't do anything for me. He has to up the game in order to get that same feeling back. And slowly but surely starts increasing and now becomes violence, now becomes really something bad, you see, but you, they get used to it. How can you cut somebody up in four pieces? Well, I'm pretty sure the first time they did, maybe they were throwing up, you know, but you know, you do five times. It's like an animal. That's how they. You see the most insane things that we think, how is that even possible? It never started like that, you know. And like I said with the military, they put you under crazy situations, but you know, there's no real bullets at that moment when, when you're practicing, you know, and then that fear in your head like, hey, one mistake. It's just one mistake and there's 50 people out there shooting on you. Only one needs to connect, you know. And now see if you still do everything that you were taught to do that is controlling so. But the only way to get there is just to overwork it. That's why with me, I overdo things. I really like to be completely prepared before I go in because that takes a lot of nerves away.
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Dave Rutherford
Life I yeah and I love the way you always describe that when you know when you're doing your fight commentary in terms of training to do you know an ankle lock or you're adapted to you know a better ground game or you know your strikes adapted the particular fighter and it really becomes specific and and and how you address so what are what's your Best advice to set up, like, training routines or a training regimen that's relative to a specific outcome.
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Bas Rutten
Oh, it's. You know what? I. Now we're talking game planning also, I guess that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I would like look at an opponent and if I saw. But most of the time when it's an opponent on my. On my organization, like in Panthers, I already know what he always does. There's certain things that they always do. They move backwards. Maybe 90% of the time, they go to the right for me. Right. You know, like little things like that. He crosses his feet when he walks left to the side. Oh. Can use that against him and pick these things out at the. And then I start looking back at the other fights. Oh, yeah, he did there to hit there. Okay. So that is something that's ingrained in him. Let's work on that. Let's make that my. My ace in my pocket, so to say the last car. If by the last fight he want me to. Spinning hook to the head. That doesn't mean anything. If he never did that before, he could have just thrown a wild card and it was a hit. If you could completely focus on that, I wouldn't do it. But on the regular stuff and then just drill. I mean, if I tell people I did combinations 10, thousands of times, I. I really mean it. I'm a cra. Crazy animal, man. I'm. I. I get three combinations and what. And then I just pull them in there and over and over again and starts really slow. Everything needs to be good because if you go fast and it's bad and film yourself. That's what I used to do when I was fighting as well in training. I would just film myself if I'm hitting a bag to see if I do rotate my open body with every single punch I throw. Because I'm preaching it now. I better do it. You see? And then you look on the video, at the video, and you always see it. Yes, you're doing it, but you're never doing it as you thought you were doing it. You can do it better. There's always room for improvement. It's never perfect. And I think if you have that mindset that that's it. And then go in with a boatload of stamina. Yeah. That's how I will prepare for a certain fight. But then again, there's the wild card.
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Bas Rutten
You never know what happens. So I. That's why I always say I use the things that they always do. I don't look at the last few Fights, because that's something. If you hit a really hard in the face, like Mike Tyson says, right. Might be gone again. Because they have a game plan until they get hit, you know, so that's true. It's really true. Oh, it's not working. It's not working. You know, and then they fall back into the wrong pattern. Some guys stay with it. Like a George and Pierre, for instance. That's the guy who you can tell every time when he starts fighting, I say, oh, he worked on his back kick, and he did the front kick, and he. He's leading with the jab. Those are the three aspects he was working on. I can tell right away. And whatever happens, even if they hit him and connecting a few times, he sticks with that game plan. And for that, you need to be very under control. And that comes from a guy who says it himself, right? So that's why I'm mention it comes from him. Like, I saw him fight his fourth fight. That was on the show that my student Dwayne Ludwig knocked out. Jens Pulver, who was the UFC champion at the time, left the ufc, came to another organization, and Dwayne knocked him out. Josh and Pierre was fighting on the same guard. And I. After his fight, I went to him and I said. And I said to him, I saw him backstage, and I said, hey, what's your name again? He goes, george's. I said, come over here, please. And I'm talking, hey, Mr. Ruth, how you doing? I said, dude, you're going to be the next world champion, right? And he goes, are you thinking that? Okay, you know, I know that. I mean, the way you control the distance, everything, you know, you're going to be the next champion. Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. And then he says, can I ask you something? I go, sure. He says, how is it that you're not afraid for your fight before your fight? I said, who told you that? And he goes, well, you look very calm. I say, everybody's afraid. You know, it's just how you deal with it, you know? And George is super afraid in the dressing room. That's what he tells in interviews, you know. And then people go like, oh, he's a sissy. I'm sissy. If you're that afraid, but you still fight. Just remember, you know, without fear, there's no courage, right? So for a person like that, he has way more courage than a person like me who found out that at the moment, I know that at the moment the referee says fight, I'm in my own bubble. I always call it. And if I would be nervous the day before or the day of the fight, you know, I'm just thinking, oh, I'm just literally focusing on that moment. And I know what it's going to be. Okay. You know, because it's going to be gone, it's going to be stopped. And people need to find a moment like that. And most of the time it's that exact moment because nope, suddenly now there's the focus, you know, that one person in front of you, and then if you can fight like you do with the dojo. Yeah, that's the trick.
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Dave Rutherford
Yeah, it's interesting. I, I, I also got to work with Andrei Arvlovsky, the pit bull, for, for three fights as well, too. And I remember before the second fight, it was out in big Vegas event, and, and you know, I'm looking at him and I'm like, I'm like. And he, this is his 18th year at fighting. And I'm just, I'm like, andre, you know, what are you feeling right now? Or, you know, and he goes, you know, in typical Andre fashion, he's like, what the fuck do you think I'm feeling? I'm about ready to go get in a fight, you know, And I'm like, oh, okay, that, that was a profound statement for me because it's like, oh, you know, it would be a mistake if he didn't have a little bit of that going on. And so, and so the question I have for you is, what are the, the most common mistakes people make as they're about ready to engage in violence?
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Bas Rutten
That, that's exactly what you said. You know, and I tell everybody, if you, if the fear is gone, there's no repercussions. That's why you start making mistakes. You know, you need a little bit of fear. Oh, man. What did I want to say about that? Feels really good to keep you on your toes, to keep your sharp. Oh, man. As soon as you mentioned that, there was something going through my head that I wanted to say, oh, okay. So for, but this is what I always tell people who are very nervous before a fight. I have some fighters, I had some fighters in the past who completely underperformed with what they can. They're possible, but those fighters are most of the time guys who want to fight because it's cool. Yeah. They tell the whole freaking world, right, oh, I'm gonna fight. Have a cake. I have a cage fight. It's just a mixed martial arts match. Don't say the word cage. You don't need to say that it's all attention seeking stuff with that, you know. And by the way, once they lose three in a row because of that, I will not allow them to talk about fighting anymore. You cannot have wear a T shirt that had something with MMA on it or fighting on it. You can not. If we go to 24 Hour Fitness and we're, we're training and later on we're in a jacuzzi, you can talk about fighting. As soon as another person steps in who does not know anything about fighting, you stop talking about fighting. You don't say, oh, we had this one kid, he goes to subway station, he says, I said, what do you like, sir? I said, well, I'll take a chicken sandwich because I have a cage flight coming up this. I go, why would you say that? You pull all the. And then you start telling all these people, oh, it's going to be easy, it's going to be easy. I'm going to rip his head off. I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that. And before the show, I'm going to do this. And now, boom, suddenly it's the show. And now you don't have to come up. Oh, yeah, I'm going to kill him. He's nothing. He's a nobody. Oh, say, so now you're facing a nobody. You better win against nobody. You put the pressure on yourself. Stop talking. Always talk highly of him. And then just before the fight, they see themselves on the big screen saying all these things, yeah, now you better do it. You see? So with those people, what I do, I take him out of state. I won't allow him to talk about anything, any of the fight. You're not telling anybody you're going to fight. We are going to a different state. There's nobody there that knows you. You fight. When you win, you can come back and you say, hey, I just want to fight. If you lost, you don't even have to say anything. That by itself will take a lot of pressure off it. And there's another story that I do also with fighters that seems to work really well. I always say, like a week before the fight, if my fighter would be nervous, you know, he says, oh my God, this fight's going to be hard. I go, okay, imagine this. Imagine your opponent walks in right now and you go into that room. That room doesn't have any windows, nobody can see. You lock the door, nobody can come in and you guys fight. And then winning or losing, you're not allowed to say who won who or lost? Would you care if you would lose? And me, every one of them, they go like, no. And they go, so that means that you're not fighting for yourself. That means you're fighting for other people. And if you fight for other people, for. I need to win because I need to double the pay for my family, for my. You're putting too much pressure on yourself. Keep it a game. It's a fun game. You know, that he can have a better day. So what? You can have a better day, and then you win. But once they see that, once you take all the social media and the people who know it better, who never stepped in a freaking dojo, but they know it better than you, you know, once you take that all out of the equation and you're just. With the two of you, it's like shooting hoops. I tell people I don't really care if I win or lose, and it's the same as sparring. Yeah, I might be. My ego might be a little bit hurt if he hits me more than I hit him. But I go, that's part of the game. You know, it's part of the game. So if you treat it like that, you have the least amount of fear, that means don't care about what everybody says. You can't control what other people think. They'll think it anyway, so let it go.
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Dave Rutherford
I love that. I love that. Let's pivot a little bit. So, you know, as I watched, you know, the video about you and your faith and moving from a place where you thought, you know, all of the mythology behind religion was just that, and it didn't have that profound impact. And what it's done for you as you acknowledge your true faith in Christ and through your. Through being a cat, a good Catholic, How. How has that helped you fight all of the other things in your life? Like what has your. Your. Your faith in your religion gave. Given you in terms of strength and confronting the world as a father, now as a grandfather, as a person that's a teacher in all the different ways that you touch people. How does faith guide you in those. In those lessons? Now?
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Bas Rutten
You know, it's all the lessons we know, but we never do it. You know, it's like, treat thy neighbor as thyself. We all know this line, but nobody does it. But imagine everybody would do. I mean, these are two greatest commands. Well, love God with everything you got. All your might, all your power, all your strength, all that. And then number two is treat thy neighbor as thyself. Just imagine if you're an atheist. Forget about number one. Just do number two, Treat people like you treat yourself. That's it. You know, and once you. I just started realizing that I needed the newest Porsche and I needed. Oh, this is a cool watch. Oh, it's $18,000. It's kind of cool. Why? Well, you know, you start doing these stupid things, and every time you're trying to fill something, they always talk about that hole that you can't fill. Well, that's it. You're trying to fill it with pleasure. But pleasure you can buy. By the way, a car doesn't make you smarter. A tank doesn't make you smarter. There's nothing that makes you smarter. You can't have a billion dollars. You can still be an idiot or a bad person or complete douche, you know, so once you start realizing that nothing really makes you who you think you are, that you don't need the $300 sneakers to be cool, and guess what? The people who think you are cool with those, those are not your real friends. They're idiots who thinks you're cool because you have a car. It's a very simple rule. If this one I'm about to buy or do or say, or any action is going to make me mentally smarter, mentally stronger, and for a question, it should be very simple. Is it going to bring me closer to God? You know, but if, like, if you're an atheist, is it going to make me smarter or it's going to make me mentally stronger? And if it doesn't do that, any of those two things, why would you do it? Why would you be an hour or two hours, three hours on the phone? Why would you play a video game that is endless? Why would you waste all that time while we're on Earth to learn an art, you know, to. To do something? So once I realized that, because I was filling it, I was filling it with drugs, I was filling it with alcohol, I was filling it with anger, with, you know, I was constantly trying to fill those holes. And then you look online with anger, right? People are so angry and they get a dopamine rush from it. It is, it's proven now, you know, in order. But now in order to get that same anger, you gotta be more angry because just like any vice, you need more of it in order to get the same effect. And then it starts getting out of control. But once you realize that, you can simply stop that and you don't have that anger anymore. You don't need that food anymore. You don't need the alcohol and the drugs and all that, you know, you start realizing, wow, why didn't I do this when I was 20? Why have I been such an idiot? I mean, I'm figuring it out now. I'm 60. Oh my God, what a dumb person. That's why you'll never see me judge others when they're drunk and crazy. I go, I'm the last person to judge this, you know, but at least I figured it out and I still have guys now. And it's, it's. And I'm not having everything under control. It's not like I'm sitting here and say, oh, I'm completely free of every single vice. No, no, no. It's a daily freak of work. You know, you have to work for it. But that's what makes it so interesting. You know, if you really want to have a drink during the day and then saying no, and then later on before you go to sleep, you go, oh my God, I'm so happy I didn't do it. Because that one can lead to two. And then, you know, so then you're proud of yourself that you didn't do it. Keep that moment in there so. Because the next attack is going to come again. There's always these things, but it's, it's just hard. But once you do it, that hole that you're searching for, it gets filled and it's not material. It's nothing that you can buy. It's just being true to yourself. That's it.
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Bas Rutten
Amen.
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Dave Rutherford
Amen. All right. The one thing that I get presented a lot and they're like, you know, hey, Ruth, you know, how, how can you be a Christian and then also maintain that warrior ethos? Like, how can you have be a violent man and be a Christian in the same, in the same breath? How would you answer that, boss?
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Bas Rutten
Well, for you, it's easy. You protecting the sheep, right? You guys are the sheepdogs and you protect the sheep from the wolf. So boom, that's easy because it's a job and you need to be there for fighting. It's different because we just. But it's only because people don't understand it. People don't understand that for me, fighting somebody is the same as again, shooting hoops with them. It's a game. We're trying to figure out who's the best. Now, are there bad guys? Well, I said in the opening of this show, you always have these guys who feel the need to break the arm. But if I got somebody in an arm bar, you know, I don't want to Break his arm. I'm going to give him the chance to tap, and then the fight is over. I'm not going to hurt him. And all the talking that you see against each other, well, first of all, I never did that. And second of all, most of the time, it's fake anyway, because these guys are the camaraderie among fighters you have. People have no idea. I mean, I always say this. I can go pretty much to any country in the world. The only thing I have to pick up is telephone and say, hey, can I spend a night with you? Whoever it is, because he can do that to me as well. You know, that's the camaraderie that you get over these years, because we all go through the same stuff, the same workouts, the same inches, the same working around the injuries and the trouble and the marriage and this and that. It's all the same. And then once that camaraderie is born, there is no violence. We don't hate each other at all. Maybe before the fight, I don't like to see my opponent, you know, I say, hey, what's up? You know, but I'm not going to sit down with him, have a drink, you know, we'll do that after the fight. And that's literally what I did. Like Yoshikosaka, the guy I fought in the UFC my first fight, because I know him. I know the guy. He's a good guy. And I went to his dressing room like, an hour before I go, hey, TK I'm gonna try to knock you out, buddy. I hope you do the same thing with me. We'll drink a beer after it. Sounds good. He goes, yeah, we shook hands, and then we go in, you know, so, yeah, that's. That's pretty much it.
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Dave Rutherford
Yeah, I love that. All right, let's just. Let's talk about in terms of. Of the current fight scene. We just had another ridiculous Logan Paul fight that brought in, like, 90 million for each fighter. We've got, you know, UFC events pretty much every weekend all over the world. We've got now ufc, bjj. We've, you know, there's all these different fight entertainment groups all over the world. Where do you think the future of fighting is going? And. And if you are a young. If you were advising a young person who's interested to learning how to fight, where would you direct them?
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Bas Rutten
Well, yeah, first of all, you're going to start, right? That's the first thing the young fighter always say. Try to understand what you're. What they teach you and, and 100 says, oh, no, I do. But you don't. They don't. You know, if I. If I see guys on the main guard that you see making submission mistakes that you should learn as a white belt, then you don't. You know what it looks like, but you don't understand the mechanics. That's the thing with me when I started, because I taught myself and I said, oh, wait a minute. You do this to me, I'm out. Okay? How can I stop that? Because there's going to be other guys like me, right? I mean, I cannot be so stupid to think that I'm the only one. There's guys way better than me. So how do you stop that? And I start experimenting. And once you understand the body mechanics of why it hurts and why this twist makes a little bit more and more pain and this and that, you know, then. Then it's easier to understand, like combinations. If I go to a. Sorry, to a teacher seminar, you know, there will never be that. I'm going to say, okay, give a three shot and deliver shot. That will never happen. It's like that. I guess you could do it on the back. With me, everything has a meaning. With me, everything is like, we fake him out like this. And I do a certain thing and we fake him out and we spread that out over one route. Every time when you do something, you over commit to a certain movement, like across the chapter of the body, which is a stupid punch. It's not even going to hurt him because you're standing in a weird thing. But once I constantly could lower myself with that punch. With that punch, he starts in his mind, identifying me, lowering myself with that punch. And once I do this and I see him already reacting now I ripen them. That's it. That. That's the setup. And now I don't even have to punch anymore. Now I only have to do this. And as soon as I do this, he's the punch. And then my real punch is going to come, you see? So if everything has a reason, and I do this with every single combination, I give you a pattern, like three hooks to the head. And especially when the three hooks to the head land. Oh, acknowledge it. Nice, right? And then I just keep going and I suddenly pop, pop, pop three punches again. If those land, that's it. Next time it's going to be added a liver shot. Because now he's going to be ready for those three punches. Here I'm calm. You can literally tell him. So he knows. Oh, shit. Heads go up and now you add a liver shot, you see? So everything has a reason to do. And that's what I tell people. If you go in all your submissions and the submissions is endless, you can never master it. There's so many combinations and setups that you can. That was the thing with me once I realized, wait a minute, if I create a different setup, a setup that he never did before or somebody ever never did on him before, I'm going to catch him. He can't be a black belt. It doesn't matter if he doesn't know it, he's going to get caught. If as raise a striker and the striker fights a setup that I never seen before, never experienced before, chances are high that he's going to connect with it, you see? So be different. Don't always listen to the, always listen to the coach. But then start experimenting yourself. There's always room for improvement. There's always ways to make the move fit better to your body. Also, some people just fight different, you know, then you have to adjust certain techniques and then you start stealing, right? That's what we all do. That's how we speak. That's how we do anything in life. It's just stealing, you know. You think the Gracie's invented Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? They put the B for Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Gracie Jiu Jitsu. But that came from judo. And you see, so and judo got us from somewhere. And so and then just hey, that's a cool move. And write it down. I used to log everything. I used to log my workouts. I used to log every time that I do. I'm logging right now. I just started power training again. How many sets I do and how many with what weight, you know, and I just write it down because at every workout it needs to be at least that same or always more. I can never go down with it, you know, that's my mindset. And once you start doing that, you're simply training your body. Like we have that workout, right? The audio workout, which by the way, I made 32 new ones. It's called the fightingmachine.com 8 week course. Insane. Like profilers going to go like, whoa, what kind of combinations? Anyway, one of those workouts is called an MMA workout. It's with sprawls. A lot of military are using it overseas. They sent me videos, I mean border patrol, I mean, they were stopping me in Vancouver that they have to know it for their test. Actually, if they don't know the workout for the test, they're not going to pass the test. They told me over there so. But the sprawls are kicking your butt because what it does, it interrupts your breathing pattern the whole time. You throw points. Go defense, you hear? They have to sprawl, get back up. And right away the next combinations come and go back and forth. It's very hard on the body. Well, we do five rounds of that and a minute break. We fill up with the kettlebell swings. We have poor fighters coming in who can do the warmup because they never did it before. And you go, how on earth can you do this? I said, this just a warm up. We didn't even start doing it. Get ready. It's going to be worse, you know, but it's simple. You simply do it. And suddenly does that click, and then. And not me and my whole class can do it. So that should be the proof right there that you can do it as well. We're nothing special. We're just human. You just have to simply do it. But you see, again, you have to do it. Work on your weaknesses. My left hand wasn't good. I did everything three times more with my left. My left kick wanted to be stronger. Everything I did with my right, I did three times more with my left kicks, you know, and then, yeah, of course, you become better. Miracle grow cup knocks people out, right, with all these kicks and kicks to the body, you know, freaking. And I said, how? How do you get to that level? He goes, after every workout, I throw a thousand high kicks on the back. Oh, there you go. What did Bruce Lee say? I'm not worried about a guy who knows 10,000 kicks. I'm worried about the guy who knows one kick but did it 10,000 times.
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Dave Rutherford
That's right.
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Bas Rutten
Well, he does a 12,000. Am I good? Yeah, 12,000 times a week.
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Dave Rutherford
That's incredible.
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Bas Rutten
You think he becomes good at it?
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Jacob Goldstein
Of course.
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Bas Rutten
And I hear that. But nobody does it because you need a discipline for that. And if you have extreme discipline, like a miracle Kokov, he simply does it. It's like when I tell myself I'm going to do 10 rounds. I will be doing 10 rounds, not going to stop at nine because I can't sleep. I'm going to think I'm such a sissy if I do that. I'm going to have to do it. And even if I do it, half speed doesn't matter. I did my 10 rounds and that's what people should do most of the time. They think, yeah, but if I don't do full power, then it doesn't count anyway. Might as well stop. No, don't do that. Do the 10 rounds that you said do less power. Who cares? But you did it. Finish the time that you set aside for you to work out. And that's simple. It takes you two months maybe, and then it's normal. Everybody can do it. Your whole class can do it. Everybody. So just do it, man.
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Dave Rutherford
I love it. All right, last question for you, Mr. Rutten. There's. Let's say a young man watches this, sees your videos online, feels that. That that spirit inside him wants to get started. What would be your guidance to get started in not only learning discipline, but learning discipline through some type of fighting technique? What. What would you say to that person?
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Bas Rutten
Yeah, again, you know, I would say, first of all, get the book the Alchemist by Paulo Coelho. Get that book. It will change your life. It's nothing about fighting at all, but that's what will set your goal. It's a very simple book. You read it in four or five hours. You gotta go, is this the book? It's about a sheep herder. Trust me. It sold over 120 million copies. So there's a reason for that, you know? So get that book. Easy read. And even if you don't like to read, it will set you on a path. And then it's just doing it. But then it's. Again, it's. Whatever you do, make sure it's technically perfect. Like, I give you an example. I. On my YouTube pages, if I give a tutorial about footwork, you know, so that you can never cross your feet. You have to open first, then you have to close with your feet, you know, and where the power comes from. A video like that is the most, very, most important thing in. Fine. Because. And I get maybe 35, 40,000 views. If I show a left to live a liver shot setup combination, I get half a million views, and I go. It should be the other way around. People should really drill in, because that liver shot, you can't throw if you have bad footwork. And people don't capitalize on it when you have bad footwork. So focus on the basics. Yeah, but I already know them. No, I had a guy coming in, profiler, just knocked out a Russian dude. They thought he was God knows what. But anyway, I'm walking in. He's training with a trainer for my gym, and he says, hey, boss, I'm happy here. Please tell me whatever you see me making mistake, make mistakes you see me make, Please tell me I want to get better. Sure, So I look at him and I'm very fast, and I know I can do this. This, I think, is one of my gifts. I can simply, within one minute, I can see a lot, what you do wrong and how to fix it. So. But after this 20 minutes, he goes to me and I go, it was a lot. And he goes, okay, what is it? I give you one thing. Okay, what's the one thing I say with the low kick? You don't step in. So what happens if you keep your standing foot, your toes are pointing out, you cannot really hit at an angle. You're always going to kick upwards because you don't open up your hips. That means you're spreading out the impact. That means you hit with the flat part of your shin bone, which is more easy to absorb for a kick than when you hit with the pointy part of the shin bone when you do that. So about technique, the kick will be harder. I do the whole explanation. What are the other things? Nothing. Fix this first, we go to the next thing, and a week later, and I'm not saying anything anymore, once I don't do it, I just stop. Yeah. Because. Okay, so what is the next thing I say? No, you have to first fix your first thing. You've been doing this for a week. You didn't even fix your first thing. So why would I tell you the second thing if you don't listen to me? It's not really working, you know, so. And that's what I say with fighting. Make it perfect. And because if you do a drill, you do it a thousand times on the bank, but you do it a thousand times wrong. Right? Practice makes perfect. No, perfect. Practice makes perfect. That's what it is, right? Because if you do it a thousand times wrong, now you have to unlearn all that stuff again. That's why I was filming myself. Not because I love to see myself on film. No, I wanted to see if I was actually doing what I said told myself I was going to do. And once you do that with every technique, and then the plethora comes, right? I mean, jiu jitsu, I mean, do you have the combinations? As I mentioned before, they're endless. But, you know, you watch really good guys, you start getting techniques, that technique I like, write it down. Don't type it down. Write it down, put it in a log and start using it in your class. Once you have 10 of those things, you say, oh, this one worked. This one. This one didn't really work. Scratch it, don't need it anymore. But Use the ones that really work. And then every month or so, two months, because you believe that those techniques are so great. I will remember. You won't, because you get overflowing with things. And then a month later or six weeks later, you start reading your notes, you get, you go, oh, my God, this thing. Yeah, I should use this more. You see, you start re sparking the brain and just by looking at it, you know already how to do it. But now it's back into your mind, you know, and those things, you have to do it. I did 24 7, man. After my last loss by submission, I just went to town with one guy, had one sparring partner, and I never lost a fight anymore. And why? Because I simply focused only on the submissions. Nobody was going to strike with me. Let's go submissions and let's go crazy. Now. The whole house was little post its with combinations on it. Setups, new setups. My wife would get choked. My wife would get wake up in the middle of the night, get arm barred or whatever, you know, I would hurt the shoulder. Oh, yeah. And not just one time. I was like insane. But I loved it, you know, and once you love something, you do it a lot. Then once you do it a lot, you become better, you know, it's very simple how that works, you know. So try to find the love for it. I think if you're fighting without love for fighting, you just want to fight because it's cool. I think you missed the whole boat. It should be enjoyable. I would look forward to working out every single time because it was the thing that I loved the most. And then you simply want to do it a lot. So that's it. But set a goal. And setting a goal, it's like the word discipline does this cool light that I didn't come up with, but I saw that line, I go, dude, that's the best line ever. So discipline is the highest form of self love you can have. It's saying no to something that you really want right now in order to get something better later on. So if you're a fighter and you say, I want to become a world champion, there's going to be a party Friday night. Can't do it. Oh, this girl wants you. Can't do it. Oh, you want to go eat with us? We're going to eat whatever, fries, fried stuff, whatever it is, can't do it, you know, and sometimes you miss it. But, you know, saying no, say no, say no, say no for something greater later on. So discipline reveals the commitment that you make to yourself. And that means that the future you is depending on the current you, that you better do what you said you're going to do. And it all sounds really easy, but it goes back to the very first thing that we talked about on this podcast. It's discipline. You know, it's simple discipline. And if you have like five vices, kill the first one. Kill one. Start with that. Don't try all five. It's not going to work for me. It was very easy. All the craziness I did was always the drugs was always when I was drunk. And if there was a fight on whatever something happened, it was always because of the alcohol. Okay, good, let's attack alcohol the first. And once alcohol was gone, all the other ones just felt like freaking Jenga. Boom, boom, boom. Everything like a guard house because I just took the biggest one away right away. We're all stupid when we drink, you know, and try to find out if it's you with food, start doing it. I would shoot Carnivore, you know, you can still eat a bunch, you know, and once you start seeing the changes, then you get sparked to, oh, maybe I should also. And then you start really watching everything. But just start with a Carnivore diet. I would tell people, but by good meat, of course, don't buy very cheap meat. I don't know if that will be good. But if you have grass fed meat and good chicken and good fish and all that stuff, you can eat as much as what you won't get. You'll lose weight.
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Dave Rutherford
That's awesome. That's awesome. Mr. Boss Rutten, you are a legend, man. Where, where can people follow your videos and follow you online and, and what do you have coming next?
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Bas Rutten
You know, it's. I'm always talking to people. Go to the O2 trader, right? There's that little device that I have. If it's an inspiratory breather, muscle trainer, that thing will change your life. If you, if you are literally serious about endurance, go my YouTube channel. And I said, there's a video that says if you're serious about endurance, it's 21 minutes. But if you are serious about endurance, those 21 minutes going to be the most important minutes you ever read. Because once I tell you that your lungs can do anything by themselves and how breathing works and how they open up and what they do and what people are using the best conditioning. Coaches always look first at your breathing because believe it or not, 90, 95% of you, it's getting better. It was 95% are breathing wrong. You all chest breathers all raising their shoulders. It's completely wrong. You can pull up five times more oxygen into your body by simply breathing correctly. This thing will actually train those muscles so you're going to be able to do it even faster. There's over 20001500 published medical journals about it. Just go to a published medical journal website, inspiratory muscle training, see if I'm right or wrong because, oh, it's a gimmick. Every Olympian endurance athlete is doing it. It's dramatic change. Like I had an ablation for nine months. Not an ablation. I had an afib for nine months which I neglected that then finally figured out what it was because I couldn't walk stairs anymore. It was very crazy. They reset my heart. Didn't work. That they finally did an ablation of my heart is where they got down and burned down the nerves that caused that crazy pattern. And then several weeks later, I think I was able to start training again. Now during those nine months, the last three months of those, the only thing I could do was literally this thing which is only five minutes. Five minutes a day, less than five minutes. But I do it for five minutes. And I was struggling with that freaking thing. And then like seven, eight weeks after my ablation, the doctor said I could work out again. I'm walking in here and I tell my wife, this is insane. I'm just flew through my workout. I stopped at eight rounds because I could have done 15. I know I could, but I don't like after nine months, maybe I shouldn't do that. Don't push it too hard. But I'm telling you, it's because the breathing is completely under control. It's such a gigantic difference. Really focused on it. So that's actually the focus where we are now. I like public speaking a lot, especially for colleges and stuff like that and where, you know, talks that were literally talked about today. So kids start seeing that getting likes and getting all that stuff is not going to give you anything in life. You know, in 20 years from they're the same guy. You know, it's like people doing the same stuff and don't change. It's like doing, I do every day 10 push ups. Yeah, 10 push ups. So that means in three years you can do 10 push ups. Now if you change that, if you every day do two sets or three sets of maximum amount of push ups, good, in six weeks you can do 120 push ups. That's how it goes. You Got to push it. You got to push it also. You might. You got to push it. It's not fun because you don't want to. We sit in front of a TV every. You know, and I'm, I'm thinking of that as well. I'm a perpetrator, actually that as well sometimes because if it's overload, I'm sitting down. But the good thing will be just to keep sticking onto it. And those videos, Yeah, I put videos out like that on my Instagram. I should start restarting this videos, how I tackled my problems. I'd like to tell the people how I did that because if it tackles my crazy mind, I'm pretty sure it can help a lot of people with it who are going through the same stuff. And that's my goal right now, you know, and that's what I'm social media. I don't use it a lot, but it's only for those informative things, so to say. But I'm not. You will not see me making a picture of myself thinking about the future. What am I going to do? It makes no sense to me to make those kind of pictures. I don't need the likes anymore. You know, once you can step away from that, that's a big freedom, buddy.
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Dave Rutherford
That's awesome. Well, sir, thank you so much. It's been a real honor and a privilege. God bless you and everything that you're doing and thank you for what you've done for the rest of us with your wisdom and your focus.
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Bas Rutten
Now I really appreciate my friend and thank you for your service because I love you guys. I love the military and I love working with you guys. Amen.
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Dave Rutherford
God bless you, sir.
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Bas Rutten
God bless. Boom.
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