Ep. 10: Are Global Elites Engineering the Collapse of America? | Part 2 feat. EM Burlingame

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Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Episode: Are Global Elites Engineering the Collapse of America? | Part 2 feat. EM Burlingame
Release Date: May 7, 2025

In the tenth episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, titled "Are Global Elites Engineering the Collapse of America? | Part 2," hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve deeper into the intricate mechanisms through which global elites may be orchestrating the destabilization of the United States. Featuring guest EM Burlingame, the discussion spans historical precedents, financial manipulations, and potential future strategies aimed at undermining American sovereignty.

1. Historical Foundations of Elite Manipulation

David Rutherford (assumed to be EM Burlingame based on transcript context) initiates the conversation by tracing the origins of elite control from the decline of the British Empire post-World War I. He states:

"World War I bankrupted the British Empire straight up. And not only did it bankrupt the British Empire, it killed off, physically killed off their last princes. 47 British noble and royal houses ended in World War I."
[05:43]

Rutherford emphasizes how the absence of traditional nobility allowed American bankers and industrialists to acquire vast estates "pennies on the dollar," effectively transferring power and wealth to a select few.

2. The Rise of the Mob State Through Prohibition

The conversation transitions to the era of Prohibition, which Rutherford argues was a pivotal moment in establishing what he terms the "mob state." He explains:

"Prohibition is what launched the mob state. Massive amounts of unearned liquidity poured into the system through illicit means like alcohol and gambling."
[05:43]

This influx of illicit funds facilitated money laundering, allowing mob figures such as Meyer Lansky to embed their influence within legitimate banking institutions. Rutherford connects this historical event to contemporary financial manipulations, suggesting a continuity of elite control mechanisms.

3. Operation Underworld and the Dulles Influence

Rutherford delves into Operation Underworld during World War II, a collaboration between organized crime figures and the Office of Strategic Services (OSS):

"Operation Underworld was ostensibly about maintaining the ports free of spies, but in reality, it was embedding the kill chain infrastructure within intelligence agencies and banking systems."
[07:30]

He highlights the role of Alan Dulles, whom he controversially labels as "Hitler's banker," in laundering Nazi funds and further consolidating financial elites' power. This operation, according to Rutherford, laid the groundwork for enduring financial control over global economies.

4. Modern Financial Manipulations and the Kill Chain

Shifting to the present, Rutherford outlines the concept of the Financialist Kill Chain, a multi-step process designed to ensnare and control the populace:

"At least a trillion dollars a year in unearned liquidity coming in from criminal trafficking... The only need for the real economy has been fabricated through this unearned liquidity."
[10:50]

He argues that this vast, unregulated influx of money undermines genuine economic structures, effectively allowing elites to maintain control without relying on the productivity of the broader population.

5. Potential Future Targets and Global Strategy

Discussing the future trajectory of elite manipulations, Rutherford speculates on potential new targets should their influence in the U.S. begin to wane:

"I believe firmly they're trying to get into India... what they're going to do is escape off into their little island hideouts and their bunkers and offshore wealth."
[32:28]

He expresses skepticism about the feasibility of expanding their control into countries like China or India but remains vigilant about the possibility of elites relocating their operations to less resistant nations.

6. The Impact of Media and Misinformation

Rutherford criticizes modern media for serving the interests of these financial elites by perpetuating misinformation and fostering division among the populace:

"They want 50 million different people giving opinions. They want everybody classified as a psyop. They want every one of us to be pointing at each other and going, you're a part of it."
[26:23]

He echoes the famous CIA quote, "We know we've succeeded when nobody believes it," suggesting that the ultimate goal of these elites is to render the public powerless through a blend of misinformation and internal conflict.

7. Strategies for Counteracting Elite Manipulation

In the face of such entrenched control, Rutherford advocates for a return to first principles and civilizational identity:

"We are a civilization... We need to get back to those [English] principles as a people. Forget all this other stuff."
[51:43]

He emphasizes the importance of unity and civilizational ethos over divisive identities, urging listeners to resist the homogenizing tactics of the elites by reaffirming core cultural and civilizational values.

8. Conclusion and Call to Action

The episode concludes with Rutherford urging listeners to remain vigilant and informed, highlighting the importance of education and awareness in combating the subtle yet pervasive strategies employed by global elites. He underscores the necessity of collective action rooted in historical understanding and civilizational solidarity to prevent the culmination of the Financialist Kill Chain.

Notable Quotes

• David Rutherford:
  "Operation Underworld was embedding the kill chain infrastructure within intelligence agencies and banking systems."
  [07:30]

• David Rutherford:
  "We know we've succeeded when nobody believes it."
  [27:26]

• David Rutherford:
  "We are a civilization... We need to get back to those [English] principles as a people."
  [51:43]

Key Takeaways

1. Historical Continuity: Elite manipulation of economies and societies has deep historical roots, evolving from the collapse of the British Empire to modern financial strategies.
2. Financialist Kill Chain: A sophisticated system of unearned liquidity and financial manipulation aiming to control and collapse societal structures.
3. Media Complicity: Modern media plays a crucial role in perpetuating elite agendas through misinformation and fostering societal divisions.
4. Global Expansion: Potential future targets for elite manipulation include emerging economies like India, should their influence in the U.S. diminish.
5. Resistance through Unity: Reaffirming civilizational identities and returning to foundational principles are essential strategies for resisting elite control.

This episode serves as a comprehensive exploration of the alleged systematic efforts by global elites to destabilize and ultimately collapse American societal structures. Through historical analysis and current event correlations, Rutherford and the hosts present a compelling narrative urging listeners to stay informed and united against such overarching threats.

Transcript

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Now that you understand what the financialist kill chain is and the seven steps to enslave people are, well, stand by for what EM Burlingame talks about and what we're dealing with now on the David Rutherford Show. This just hit a whole nother chord. I don't know if you, you watch Tucker Carlson, but he just had a woman on Katherine Fritz who used to be in the government, in the Bush senior government, and she ran kind of the hud and she's got this great news site called Solari and they do these very intense analysis of the economic mismanagement or redirection of economies. And she actually had this really fascinating segment of it where she was saying, you know, when, you know. And she went back to that famous, you know, September 10, 2001, where Rumsfeld comes out and says, yeah, we're unaccounted for $2.7 trillion. And what she was hinting at or saying is that underneath all these structures, right, I guess those structures of the seven, the steps that you were talking about, they're funneling money out of the commoners into these other areas and other places through these different types of systems. So for me, like, as you're saying this, I'm like, whoa, here's a person that was in and she actually was attacked for nine years, had to defend herself against the doj. They tried to destroy her. She was an investment banker and all this, and they tried to just completely destroy her. And it's like, because she was exposing these hidden secrets of where the money is going and funneling to. And so that kind of brings us up to the modern era, Post World War II, after the British host was destroyed and it coming over to New York. And can you just talk a little bit about that and what you're seeing up until where we're at today and how that worked. Yeah.

[David Rutherford]

So I did a series of, you know, the, the, the taking over, you know, the jumping host from the British to the Americans started right around World War I. World War I bankrupted the British Empire straight up. And it, and not only did it bankrupt the British Empire, it killed off, physically killed off their last princes. 47 British noble and royal houses ended in World War I. Wow. Ended. And some of these families were over a thousand years old. Their connection with their people, the land. They've been able to stand up to all this stuff for centuries. They died in World War I. What happened to other estates given to the crown? No, no, no, no. Crown doesn't get that. That doesn't work. No, the bankers and the industrials came in and bought all that stuff. Pennies on the dollar.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[David Rutherford]

Financialized. It uses collateral in the US to build up further the US So where this starts is prohibition. Prohibition is what launched the mob state. And I've done a series of five or six tweet threads on the mob state. I won't dig into that too much. But basically massive amounts of unearned liquidity poured into the system through illicit. You know, illicit means it's unearned liquidity, meaning it's alcohol. Alcohol, all the gambling. Etc. Meyer Lansky and. And all those guys that prohibition broke the US economy in the banks because the banks no longer needed to maintain the. The complex logic of local economies. They just need to figure out how to have enough of that going on so that they could launder the money from the mob, that then they could, you know, into their banks, that then they could lend out it, you know, 10, 20, 30 times. 30 times.

[Ryan]

Mm.

[David Rutherford]

Okay. World War II comes along. The Dulles brothers, right. And some others create the mobs, convert the United States into the mob state writ large.

[Ryan]

And that was because of the. What was going on in Italy, right? They were using the Extensively to run covert operations. That was counter intelligence.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, that was later. That was later. Okay, so in 41, 1941, Operation Underworld happens. And that's using. Oh, gosh, I can't remember his name right now, but you know the. Luciano.

[Ryan]

He was under Luciano, right?

[David Rutherford]

Yeah. Well, no, this was the top boss this was actually using. So it was Meyer Lansky, Luciano, Siegel. And then I think Bugsy had already been killed by this time.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[David Rutherford]

But it was, it was that group, right. And it was ostensibly about maintaining the ports free of spies. And then to keep the ports. So there wasn't sabotage, but in reality it was. It was embedding the. And then it worked. They worked with the OSS and all of this because they had the routes and. But if you look closely, the guy that was behind all of it was Alan Dulles.

[Ryan]

That's right.

[David Rutherford]

And Alan Dulles was an investment banker on Wall Street. Alan Bank. Alan Dulles was Hitler's banker. He was the Nazis banker. He was the one that laundered. And, and, and this is all public information, so I'm not, you know, pulling stuff out of my fourth point of contact, as we like to say.

[Ryan]

As we like to say. I love that term.

[David Rutherford]

So when the Agency gets stood up in, you know, 1947 and you know, the new variant of British Intelligence. And Galen, Major General Galen from. From Germany. From the German army. Right. The head of intelligence on the Eastern front.

[Ryan]

Right.

[David Rutherford]

He gets, you know, gets stood up in the Galen organization and he's basically European intelligence. And then later in early 1950s, they make him head of German intelligence. So the guy who was. Anyways, point is that they embed this kill chain infrastructure in the form of the intelligence agencies and the investment bankers and banking systems that founded them. Later on, this spins out. Later on. This is what backs the cartels and all these other things. Because with right now roughly a trillion dollars a year in unearned liquidity coming in from criminal trafficking, basically and otherwise.

[Ryan]

Right.

[David Rutherford]

The. There hasn't needed to be any reality to the US economy for the bankers, the big bankers for over a century.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[David Rutherford]

Because all of this, all of this pours into this, you know, into the banks. They launder it, they charge about four and a half percent. Then that money gets into the bank, sits in the banks, not just here in the US but overseas. So a trillion dollars a year in the banks in the fight, you know, in the financialist system. Lent out it at least 10 times. It's. It's $10 trillion.

[Ryan]

Right.

[David Rutherford]

A year.

[Ryan]

A year.

[David Rutherford]

A year, yeah. So, wow. What need do you have of real.

[Ryan]

Economy when you can just fabricate it through.

[David Rutherford]

At least fabricate it. But that, but that's not enough. You want more.

[Ryan]

That's right.

[David Rutherford]

Okay. You want more because you want everything you can get. Okay. These are slavers. Straight up, they're slavers. Okay. So we don't do colonialism anymore. Right, right. But if you go to the former colonies, most of the banks are colonial banks, you know, for historical reasons and, you know, credibility and, you know, confidence in the banking system. Okay. When we do military assistance dollars and they go to a country, when the funds actually get messaged, you know, through the SWIFT system. Get messaged, they go. In which bank do they go into?

[Ryan]

The imf?

[David Rutherford]

No, they go into an old colonial bank which is. Might go through the imf. Well, right. An old British bank or old German bank or an old Italian bank or a. Right. Or an old Swiss bank.

[Ryan]

And that's the stuff Mike Benz is doing such yeoman's work exposing right now.

[David Rutherford]

So all of this aid that we put out every year, all the foreign assistance dollars, all of the, you know, this is quite aside from usaid, that's just the, you know, the influence operation.

[Ryan]

Right, right.

[David Rutherford]

Quite aside from that, all of the dollars that go out and you know, let's say Roughly a trillion dollars a year that goes out ends up going in through. Maybe it goes through a couple cutouts etc, but it ends up in a former colonial bank in some. In Kenya or.

[Ryan]

Right.

[David Rutherford]

Or Burkina Faso or somewhere else. Well, where does that money actually end up then if it goes into the old colonial bank? France, Italy. Right. So this old financialist infrastructure, you know, and a lot of it goes through the city of London or it doesn't necessarily go through the city of London going that way, but coming back as collateral, as liquidity, then it's, you know, out of the city of London, it's out of Amsterdam, it's out of, you know, etc. Etc. So this great fleecing and indebting of the American people, just like with the British, have come to their end, there's no more to take. And so the only step next now, you know, they've got one through five done.

[Ryan]

Yep.

[David Rutherford]

What's next? Okay. And normally the way they do it is they, they get you tied up in a massive war. Now first off though, they'll tie you up in a generational war first so that the next major war that you fight, there's no chance you're going to win. Well, what the hell is the g. What? Generational war.

[Ryan]

Generational war.

[David Rutherford]

Right. We're exhausted, we're burnt, we're exhausted. We lost a lot of our best and, and not just killed, but you know, guys are broken or they're exhausted or they don't want any part of it anymore.

[Ryan]

That's right.

[David Rutherford]

Right.

[Ryan]

Now what are they doing? They're influencing their children to say it's not worth it, don't go, fight, don't go. So they're, they're, they're cutting the legacy of that strength that should be. Right. Connected through the generations of that patriot.

[David Rutherford]

Correct? Correct. Right. So the, there is no loyalty anymore. Not between the people and the land, but the people in the state.

[Ryan]

Right.

[David Rutherford]

There is none. And that's part of the kill chain, right? You've got it right. Makes it homogenous. You've got to get rid of oligarchs or princes and loyalties and all of that so that when you collapse it and then you come in and buy everything, pennies on the dollar.

[Ryan]

Right.

[David Rutherford]

So you can collateralize your next kill chain in some other part of the world that there's nobody there to, there's nobody there to fight you over it.

[Ryan]

And that's the thing that I struggle with now is like you would think that America is the ultimate place to be able to run this financial scheme, if you will, this conspiracy for longer periods of time than they've been able to do it in the past. Right. Now, granted, you can look at the. The chunks of time have been relatively 2, 3, 400 years at a crack, but now it's, it seems like it's almost speeding up. So where could they possibly go? Because you had mentioned they thought about China because.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in China as an investment banker back in the early 2000s. They were already building the infrastructure.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[David Rutherford]

They were already building. G was elevated. And there's one of the. I wrote an article about both Putin and she here a few days ago.

[Ryan]

I read that.

[David Rutherford]

Really substack is that. And I, I've worked with Huge. Tao's son in investment banking stuff that we were doing. Huge. And Tao was helping put the infrastructure in place. The Chinese premier, That's why he was removed. That's why Xi was elevated. She's ludicrously capable. Ludicrously capable. He's fiercely Chinese and he's incorruptible.

[Ryan]

Well, that's. That's what's interesting. I, I, Lex Friedman just had a. A brilliant guy who was a China expert on a couple weeks ago or a week ago or whatever, and just listening to him and what was fascinating to him, to him is, is that, that that G is being openly open, is openly commenting about the value of Confucianism. Right. Which is the historical context of the underlying strength of the Chinese hegemony, the development. Right. As opposed to saying, you know, no, we're staunch communism, where they haven't been.

[David Rutherford]

Communists in 30 years.

[Ryan]

Right.

[David Rutherford]

That's what I. Yeah, they haven't been. And the problem is they can't say that, though, because there are still many survivors of the Cultural Revolution, and you can't. You can't. They have not acted and participated as Communists in over 30 years. They have not been Communists over 30 years. And most of the things that people hear about them is just ludicrous garbage. Right, right. And the finite Chinese firewall is in place, but that's to prevent color revolutions.

[Ryan]

Right. The misinformation ops.

[David Rutherford]

That's right. It's to prevent the financialist kill chain from embedding in China. Right, Right.

[Ryan]

So who becomes the next host? Is it because it can't be anything like India or South Africa?

[David Rutherford]

Well, they just tried to carve. Yeah. Well, right now I think this whole Indo pack thing is an attempt to move into India.

[Ryan]

That. That's what I'm feeling too.

[David Rutherford]

I suspect it is, yeah.

[Ryan]

And, and I'm like, I'm paying close attention to Modi, what he's saying, I'm watching what he's following, what he's, where he's at, who he's meeting with. You know, I think that's the real, real target. Because it's not only, you know, if China is resistant, how do you take China down? Well, you've got one point, what, 4 to 3 billion people.

[David Rutherford]

But it's not going to work. It's not going to work because you cannot fight over the Himalayas at all.

[Ryan]

It's an impossibility.

[David Rutherford]

You just can't do it. You cannot fight a war of the Himalayas and southern China. On the coast of southern China is actually very mountainous and very difficult. It's only eastern China and northern China that are unshielded.

[Ryan]

Right, right, right.

[David Rutherford]

So you're not going to fight a war with the Chinese over. If you want an example of that, look to the Korean War. How did such a small number of people hold off millions of freaking Chinese and North Koreans? I mean, it was brutal and ugly and horrendous fighting, but, you know, tens of thousands of guys, ultimately a couple hundred thousand guys were able to hold off millions. Why?

[Ryan]

That's right.

[David Rutherford]

Ever look at North Korea's terrain?

[Ryan]

I think it was. It's the thermopyla concept, right? You find the hot gate somewhere, defend that vigorously. How about, like, is, is it possible that, I mean, obviously what, what we've seen in the last, you know, six to nine years in Brazil is. Is, you know, and is Brazil potentially target. Do you go, do you go down there next?

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, possibly.

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There isn't enough value to Brazil though, unfortunately, and there's too much. They can already extract a good amount from Brazil and they're not going to be able to hide and protect themselves there. I, I wrote about this today and published it today. But the, the, this thread over the last couple weeks, which actually started with a question Alex Craner was talking to Tom Luongo about, about a week or so ago, you know, and he was trying to figure out who is this really and where. And then. So that got me down this path, and then I'm kicking myself, you know, having been in the leverage buyout days or on the other side, like, why didn't I see this before? But timing is everything. I think that what I believe very firmly now, given that they're not going to get the world war no matter what they do, even with this predictive programming of this, you know, supposed Wagner commander saying they're going to kill Putin. Putin, you know, or, or. He didn't say that, but, you know, he goes on the show and then the next day we get all these threats against Putin from the, you know, the Ukrainian puppets. It's like, okay, that's. I wish they'd get better screenwriters, obviously, because it's all getting kind of boring and tedious. It's. It's like the final season of Game of Thrones. It's just kind of all the, the writing's gone to trash.

[Ryan]

Gone to trash.

[David Rutherford]

It's just gone to trash. Right?

[Ryan]

It's like, I think what you have now is. You've got you many different fractions vying for attention. That, that. It's, it's now. It's like it gives the. It's. In my opinion, it's exactly what, what, what this, this initiative, right, Whatever you want to call it, right? This initiative, like, whether it's the blob, the deep sea, whatever you want to call it, right? They want that. They want 50 million different people giving opinions. They want everybody classified as a psyop. They want every one of us to be pointing at each other and going, you're a part of it. You're a part of it. Right? And that's, that's the gist of this whole thing, is that. What was the famous quote by. I forget who it was, but the head of the CIA. But it's like we know we've succeeded when nobody believes it. Yeah.

[David Rutherford]

Casey, it was his first briefing to Reagan. Yeah, that's right.

[Ryan]

When everybody believes nothing, we've won.

[David Rutherford]

Correct. And I think the operation is a success.

[Ryan]

That's.

[David Rutherford]

The problem is, is that it's failing for sure. Failing. And the reason it's failing is the same reason that. That it failed in the 1400s. What came out in the 1400s was the printing press. And.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[David Rutherford]

It's the same reason it failed in England. And, and actually what led to the establishment and creation of the English peoples. And we are a peoples. We are a civilization. There are no ethnic English. England was a civilization launched by one man after, you know, Alfred the Great, and finally brought about as a single whole under his grandson Athelstan. But really, it goes back even earlier, you know, concepts and ideas before that. What did Alfred the Great do? Alfred the Great realized there was all these arguments and all these fighting and all these people, etc. And some spoke, you know, Danish and some spoke Celtic and Gaelic and picked. And he was like, Latin and the Catholic Church was in there or getting in there, etc. And he's like, yeah, he made everything. He translated and converted everything to English. Made everybody, you know. Right, well, what did it do? It opened up all this information, all this. It made it much, much harder for this. This operation, you know, this deception operation to work. All right, well, printing press did that later. What did that do? Well, that led to over a century of non stop war.

[Ryan]

That's right.

[David Rutherford]

Right. As the truth started to come out and as people realize things. Well, now we got this thing called the Internet that has.

[Ryan]

But.

[David Rutherford]

And why has been controlled. Correct. Until no longer. But no longer. Why? Because some princes, oligarchs. But some princes said, no more. No more. Now, did they say it because they themselves were under threat? Oh, hell yes. Did they do it for the good of the people? Yeah. So what.

[Ryan]

Some. Some of this. Some self preservation and some of, like, if in order to self. In order to preserve yourself, you can seed chaos around other places. So people redirect what they're angry about or.

[David Rutherford]

Or in this case, the ones that gave us the ability to communicate that still stop the censorship stuff. They were like, no, we actually need the people to protect us.

[Ryan]

That's right.

[David Rutherford]

We're gonna have to give the people something that they can use to protect themselves or they'll have no reason to protect us.

[Ryan]

That's right.

[David Rutherford]

Right. And this is the. This is the, you know, the greatest. You know. So what is the greatest lie? What is the greatest trick the devil.

[Ryan]

Devil ever pulled, pretending that he didn't.

[David Rutherford]

Exist, getting us to believe that he didn't exist? What is the greatest trick, the most destructive, dangerous trick the financialists pulled, getting us to believe that our princes were the problem, that our princes were evil? Historically, it's never the people who write who prevent the kill chain. It's not Putin. It's the people who elevated Putin and have kept him in office all this time?

[Ryan]

Mm.

[David Rutherford]

It's not g. You know, if you tried to have, you know, the communist era was a unique period. Those both happened because a lot of the population been destroyed in War in China came along because we've been feeding them with opium for a century. We've been, you know, finding we are ready to collapse them. Right. We've been doing the same thing with the Russians. The financials have been doing the same things with Russians. They were ready to execute the step seven of the kill chain.

[Ryan]

Right.

[David Rutherford]

That's why communism happened in Russia. And those were foreigners, they were not Russians that did that to Russians. Now that at the low level, yes, but not at the top. Stalin was a Georgian.

[Ryan]

Right. So was. Right. And what, Trotsky was a New Yorker. Right. Lenin was what, he was exiled in Germany.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah. So yeah, yeah, right. Mao was not a Han Chinese.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[David Rutherford]

Right. So to your back to the question. Okay, where do they go next? I, I believe firmly they're trying to get into India. I don't know that it's going to happen. And I'm actually just randomly this week got asked to get involved in some of those conversations. So. Okay. What I suspect is that there, there is no more host to that for them to go to. They're not going to be allowed anymore because it's become too obvious. I suspect what they're, what they're going to do. It's what I would do if I was them. This is the resentfuls, right. I call them financials because the resentful didn't connects with people. Some people, but it's, you know, in the modern world, how do the resentful wage their eternal war? It's this financialist kill chain. Right. And as I write about in the eternal War there's all these other supporting stuff, but ultimately all of that's in support of this financialist kill chain. I suspect what they're going to do is because you can already see it, we've seen going from about $19 trillion in offshore wealth to over 100, maybe 140 trillion in the last 20 some odd years. I suspect what they're going to do is escape off into their spider's web islands. You know, there's a great documentary called the Spider's Web.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[David Rutherford]

The proscription of what, what it is and what, what's the problem is. Right. They're freaking Marxist though, that did the video. So their prescription of what to do about it is ludicrous is tyranny. It's. Yeah, it's, it's just childish. But you know, sometimes these Marxists are pretty smart and you know, not the wild, insane, crazy ones, but some of the academics pretty smart on identifying what the problem is. Right. Ever listen to them on a solution?

[Ryan]

No. That, that, that's categorically been proven to end up with a few hundred million people dead.

[David Rutherford]

I'll listen to you on the helicopter right up as you tell me the problem is when, when we get to the point where you're going to tell me the solutions, I'm going to throw you out of the helicopter.

[Ryan]

I love it. It's just Tony Montana vibes. I love it.

[David Rutherford]

But I. This is what I suspect's happening is they're not going to get their world war. No matter what they do, it's not going to happen because that goes nuclear fast. Yeah, but we're not also going to allow a slow, steady grind where it kills off, you know, we're not going to allow them to do that kind of a collapse. So what I suspect they're going to slip into their little island hideouts and their bunkers and everything else offshore and their wealth. Offshore wealth. And they're going to use the cartels and jihadi. What was the g. What g. What was another corporate hostile takeover. We took over control. They took over control of all the terrorist organizations, criminal organizations. That's what it was. And it's like, oh, you're making that up. No, who are we paying? Who do we just pay to take over Syria and who just pay to take over. Who's fighting on with the Ukrainians right now? ISIS.

[Ryan]

Why are we paying the Taliban $40 million a week? Oh, and we armed them with $86 billion worth.

[David Rutherford]

We armed them and we, and we spent 20 years training them. All of our tactics, techniques, and you know, all of our ttps, all of our, everything that was done on purpose.

[Ryan]

When I was, I was in. Working for the agency, I was in one area and right around there was a, a British training facility. And I would, we would go over and sight our weapons in and all that stuff over there. And I remember talking to some of the Brits and these are, you know, these aren't SAS guys or anything like that. They're just, they're just pogues out there, you know, getting it done. And they were training, they had. Have these classes of Afghan, you know, and, and they were training them and I went up to these. I'm like, dude, how many guys? And they're like, we do 400 guys every month. And I go, that's a ton of dudes. He's like, yeah. And I go, that's pretty short amount of time. He's like, you're telling me? Because that was back when now, like The Afghan on, on trainer was happening all the time. Bunch of, a bunch of Green Berets got killed during that area. And, and I was like, well, you know how, what's your bleed off? How many do you lose? And he said, about 40%.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

So it's like 180 dudes out of every month, right. Were taking their training, their equipment, their kit, and immediately graduating, going to their provinces and then immediately going to work for whomever it is. Right.

[David Rutherford]

Whatever it is, whoever pay.

[Ryan]

That's right.

[David Rutherford]

So you know what, you know what? The G. Watt was, right? G. What was SOCOM versus It was Tampa versus Langley. I mean, it's just the more I look at it, it was like, oh my, it was like a football game.

[Ryan]

Never heard anybody describe it so perfectly. I never thought it. Well, I mean, I, I, my, I was right. You know, not even a year later. I remember I go into the talk in Bagram and I'm, you know, I'm the intel guy and I'm like, okay, hey man, you know, where can we go? And what do we, can we do? And they're like, well, you know, get out of here. We can't give you anything. We're not in control of it, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, well, who is? Well, it's not us, but. And I remember the Aussies came in the gates and those beautiful lorries they had. And I went up to him and I was just like, hey guys, I'm, you know, I'm run. Nice to meet you. And they look like they'd just been in it, you know, And I'm like, what? How are you doing this? And they were saying, well, we go in, we pester the powers that be, and they give us some just random section of the country. They say, go over here. This is your area. You can do whatever you want. And instead of us putting in, you know, op orders, right, we would just say we're doing reconnaissance. And they'd go, they'd set up these, you know, 20 day reconnaissance missions on these areas, figure out where the bad guys were, and then they would drive their lorries right into the middle of these little villages and just pick a fight. And so they were, they were getting into it every time. So I go in, I go to, you know, our guys, and I'm like, hey, this is what they're doing. And I went in, I was like, hey, can we get an area? Now you're not getting anything. So finally we moved down to Kandahar and I went in, same thing. Because now we're, it's, you know, big, you know, what is it? Asap, you know, multi everywhere, all in the same little area right at the airport. And we go in and we're like, all right, where's our area? We got an area. And it was down by Spin Bulldog and the Desert of Death right on the Pakistani border where Tao bands running back and forth, you know, the whole thing. And we had discovered that the, you know, the agency had a couple safe houses running in Spin Bulldog doing all kinds of things. So we're like, all right, we're going to partner with them, we're going to go down, we're going to set up urban reconnaissance, start tracking, do the whole thing. And then we'll, we'll, in our little DPVs, we'll wrap these dudes up as they come across these points in the middle of the Desert of Death and we'll, you know, we'll get something done, shut down, you're not going anywhere. You're not doing anything. And that's when I was like, dude, we don't run this thing. We don't, DOD doesn't have any control of this at all. And that was like my wake up call. Like, oh my God, wait a minute, there's a lot, there's a whole nother thing going on that I, I, I'm so naive and, and that was really the, the, the impetus of, of me starting to pay closer attention while if I'm doing this, I know it's not what it is, but what is it? And slowly, and slowly over time, you know, I was able to get to a place where I got a pretty good idea of what was going on. But in the last, obviously the last, I think really the Afghan pull out was where the veil finally fell. Right. And so now it's been exposed and then in particular with what Doge is doing and because now we have the money trails that are running all this, Stu. And the battle that's going back and forth between DOD and their push against Pete and all this stuff that's, it's like, you can see the foundation is rattled.

[David Rutherford]

Yes.

[Ryan]

And that's what I think is so beneficial now for the people, for the common, for the, for the people that really still believe in the greater context of what the American dream is, the more they understand that and the more they have this opportunity in this space, that is what modern media or modern whatever it is, access to, you know, those diamonds in the rough of the madness of the crazies or whatever. But when you get down these, these, these, these. Right. To go back to, you know, the Venetian, these canals, if you were the tributaries of, of influence and truth. People are starting to understand how the river flows. And that's why I think what you're doing em is so powerful and so educational. I mean it's really about education. It's about teaching the American public what has been kept from them for so long, what was kept from the British, what was kept from the Dutch and so on.

[David Rutherford]

How do we, how do we. So how do we keep them from executing step seven? We can't prevent them from initiating. They already have. Right. It's, it's already moving. But how do we prevent them from succeeding in step seven so we don't collapse?

[Ryan]

Sorry for the interruption. I know you're loving this interview as much as I do, but I just want you to be aware and to, to put on your calendar May 31st me on our Patreon account. Avidrutherfordshow. I will be giving a live motivational event about performance, about what I've learned over the past 30 years of trying to figure out what about the human condition enables us to succeed or what drives failure in the most extreme environments imaginable. That's May 31st on our Patreon account. Don't miss it. Hoo ya. Back to the interview.

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[David Rutherford]

I'm not, I'm not terribly super smart, but when I get on something, I'll stick on it for years, sometimes decades even until I kind of understand it. And because I'm not, I've got a. I've got a pretty good memory for concepts and ideas. I got a horrible memory for names and dates and titles.

[Ryan]

I don't know. You're pretty awesome today so far.

[David Rutherford]

I appreciate it. But you know, it's like I can't keep up with, you know, like James Lindsay. That's what he does. He does. He's got these whole tables and lists and I'm like that's too complex. Too complex. I'm not a 18 Bravo. I was an echo and a fox, right. But sometimes I really get the Bravo's like ah, too much, Too much.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Rutherford]

Gunpoint that way. Boom. Right? Yeah, they fall down. Good. What's next? Yeah, re, engage, reacquire. So the point is for me is like I gotta simplify things down, right. And, and in the process I gotta bless my Scottish mother for helped me see this when I was young. We've got to get back to first principles. If we're going to prevent the class. We got to get back to first principles and we need to stop letting them tell us who the enemy is and what the enemy is and how the enemy works. And when you get to that and you let go of all these things that we're so emotionally attached to, which again, being half Scottish and half English, I'm not most emotionally attached to much of anything, which probably is an advantage.

[Ryan]

It is for this stuff, I'll tell you.

[David Rutherford]

Right. Isn't it both the Scandinavian descent before that. So. Yeah, yeah. But you know, we've got to simplify. We've got to simplify, we've got to reduce. We need to not chase their, you know, if there's anything that is put in the public domain now That's. That triggers an emotional response in you. It's a. It's a fake out. We're at that point. And if there's something that's out there from a trusted source, etc, and it's pretty blase and mellow and calm, you should probably look at that. It's like the, It's. You know, in Green Berets, we have the old warrant, you know, the warrant officers. Yeah, it's like that.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[David Rutherford]

Out of shape, broken, long haired, worn officer who's just, you know, you never know if he's drunk or not.

[Ryan]

Sitting in the back of the team.

[David Rutherford]

Sitting in the back. He rarely ever shows up. He's never there for PT in the morning. Right. Never cleans his weapons. Right. But every once in a while he'll show up and say something. You're like, what did he just say?

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[David Rutherford]

And then you're like, you know, and it's like, those are the kind of people you need to watch for now. It's like, what does he just say? What is that? But any of the sensational emotional stuff, it's. It's either somebody who themselves are an emotional space, which is a lot. And we all got our, you know, most of us, I pretty much don't anymore, but we all got our triggers, you know, our things that were, you know, some operation, especially the soft guys and the intel guys. Some operation, some area of expertise that we got somewhere in the world. And we're charged up by that, you know, unfortunately, knowing a lot of soft guys and intel guys, most of them don't know what the hell they're talking about because they don't realize that the whole framing like you were talking about when you were down in southeast Afghanistan, the entire framing was a lie.

[Ryan]

Right.

[David Rutherford]

You know, the, the, you know, again, it's. It's Langley script writers and Tampa script writers writing the episodes, and we're all playing within these episodes, but it's scripting. And not always intentionally just. But, you know, so we got to get back to first principles. We got to get back local and small. We got to stop paying attention to things that are, you know, if they can't shoot me, blow me up, and they can't get to me within three or four days to shoot and blow me up. I don't care.

[Ryan]

That that's gonna be the next T shirt for sure.

[David Rutherford]

Right. It's like, honestly, beyond that, what the hell am I worrying about?

[Ryan]

That's right.

[David Rutherford]

So we need to stop, you know, you know, all of this other kind of.

[Ryan]

It's just no sensationalism.

[David Rutherford]

The other piece that we have to pay attention to is that we, we really are still English. We are the English civilization. We are a civilization. We can all hate each other in anger and battle with each other, but we're a civilization like some of the greatest civilizations that have ever been. And yes, we're Americans, but Americans are English. We are the English peoples. And that includes the Irish and the Scots and the Welsh and the Britannis. And it does include some of the old core members of the British Empire from India and Pakistan. It's why that does matter because they're also riddled throughout our own, you know, the, the old parts of the empire. But we are English civilization. We have a certain sets of principles and we need to get back to those as a people. Forget all this other stuff. Forget all of the, you know, the religious stuff and all that. If you're religious, that's fine. But down underneath, we're a civilizational people and we need to stand up for ourselves. Forget my language, right? Okay. At the core of being English peoples is we are a monarchical people. We are, and again, we have the illusion that we don't have princes, but we vote for them, we elevate them as entertainers and you know, etc. That's all that same wiring because we're mammals, we're monkeys. And monkeys are wired for this. You cannot remove it, okay? Make sure it's the right prints and then come to their defense because they're in all out war on our behalf right now. They're doing everything they can to prevent this step seven of this freaking kill chain. And yeah, of course they're doing it for themselves. They're the ones with all the assets. But there are some of them, like Trump, like Elon, like some of these others who really. And some that are names that people don't know that aren't billionaires. There are hundreds of millions or tens of millions, right? There are these and, and at every level, you know, locally, etc, they are locked in all out, winner take all, life or death, literally. They shot Trump, tried to shoot him again. They're locked in all out, life and death battle on our behalf. And we need to remember who we are, remember our, our, you know, core nature. And we need to come to their defense and stop chasing all the freaking rabbits, right? And doves and all the distractions that are put out by the financialists and their intelligence communities, which is they own straight up.

[Ryan]

Wow. Well on that, because this has turned into a much more Lengthy interview, which I'd hoped it would, but you never know. Em, I just, I can't thank you enough for your willingness to come on and share with everybody your thoughts, which I hope everybody recognizes are not frivolous. They're not piecemealed together from a post over here and a post over there. But it's years of life experience and a deep passion for actual history and then more importantly, where you come from and who you are. And as a fellow Englishman and Scotsman, you know, Hathaway and Rutherford, I, I just, I think that's probably why I gravitated towards your words and your thoughts, so.

[David Rutherford]

Yes, sir.

[Ryan]

Thank you, sir.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, no, I appreciate it. You're doing good work, Dave. Appreciate it.

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