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Fear God, Not Man: The Five Biblical Pillars of Coaching ft. Mike Swider
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David Rutherford
Since the age of four I have been involved in organized sports and dedicated the whole first half of my life pursuing a destiny of being an elite athlete. And I had literally hundreds of coaches come across my my path and that quest and and since I in the SEAL teams I had dozens and dozens of instructors that had profound impact on me and then even being out in my professional life and all the different sports teams and coaches I've worked with myself. But I have never met an individual that has had such a long lasting and deep and profound impact on the men that he coached. I've had the incredible opportunity to meet and work as colleagues with 20 plus of his former players. And it's them that introduced me to the idea of what it really meant to be a servant coach. To be somebody that utilizes God as a primary force of influence to shape young men into becoming the men they hope to become. And so ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it is an unbelievable privilege and pleasure to welcome Coach Mike Swider, former head football coach of 23 years at Wheaton College, a three school in Wheaton, Illinois with nine CCIW championships, seven Division 3 tournament appearances and seven CCIW coaches of the Year awards. So without further ado coach, it is an incredible honor to have you on the show. Thank you.
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Riley Herbst
Well, it's great to be here David. It really is. It's, you know, you call it a privilege to have an opportunity to speak with me and, and share and I. The feeling is mutual. It really is. Your legacy and your history and your reputation precedes you as well. And like iron sharpens iron, so does one man sharpen another. And that's why it's critical that men surround themselves by like minded men who are common goals and common ambitions and common values. And you know, we have a world that can beat us down and a world that can just through social media and everything else can just absolutely inundate you with all kinds of ideas and your self esteem can get just get beat up. But when you know for a fact that your identity is in Christ and that can't change no matter what happens, you're a son or child of God and that doesn't change. And then you also surround yourself by men that are like minded, that can challenge you and you look you in the eye and say, how you doing? No, no, really, no, how you doing? And have those men in your life. It's great. And so if I knew you better, I would count you as one of those guys. For me, if we were close by, with greater proximity.
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David Rutherford
Well, I'll tell you what, now that we're connected, there's a definitive chance that in my future endeavors, if I should be afforded the opportunity of working with some great teams again in the future, I'm going to call you up for sure and ask for adv on how to improve. It is what I do for a living.
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Riley Herbst
Yeah.
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David Rutherford
You know, there's a YouTube video that Justin Zeller, one of your players, who's also just a phenomenal human being, sent me a few months ago. And I watched this and it's a speech that you gave at Wheaton Chapel. And it was, the speech is titled Walk with God. And in that speech you listed five ideas that really you've implemented to try and educate your players onto the deeper meaning of what it meant to be a servant. Right. Not only just a servant to their fellow players or servant to the coaches, a servant to their, their community at the school or the school itself, but what it meant to build the foundation so they could go on to serve at a higher level. Can you describe that speech and where it came from and then maybe go through those five things and how it can apply to young players or young, better, better for better purposes. Young coaches out there that are trying to figure out what their philosophy looks like and what's the best way to impact their players.
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Riley Herbst
Yeah. Let me just begin with two things and then we can actually run through that. Those five expectations that have to be involved and have to be part of your, your daily life. I mentioned this to you when we first spoke, David, that I. Here's the, here's the importance of coaches as we speak to coaches or even men, even fathers. I was raised in a home where there wasn't a day in my life that my father didn't reaffirm to me that God loved me, that I was not an accident, that I was created by a sovereign God for a purpose. And that. That God loved me. And there was nothing I can do to lose that love. And there was nothing I could do to earn that love. And then my life was purposeful and that that purpose was going to be executed by him. My dad told me that every day I wasn't an accident. My second thing my dad told me every day. My dad was a World War II vet. I had told you that earlier. So he was, you know, part of the greatest generation. Grew up during the depression, had a gun in his hand at 18 and a half. So. Second thing he told me every day was that he loved me, God loved me. And there's nothing I could ever do to keep my father from loving me. And so every day of my life, I would come home, 15, 16, come home from high school, whatever it was, you know, your. Your image could get beat up. Good days, bad days, whatever it was. And I walked into a home where I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that the maker of this universe, the God who put the stars in the sky, that it created me for a purpose, and I wasn't an accident. And then I walked into a home where my father told me every day he loved me. And the third thing my dad told me is that I love your mother. And there was never a day in life, in my life that my father and mother didn't sleep in the same bed until the day my dad died. He died of cancer. They slept in the same bed. And so I was three for three, David. I have no excuses for my life. I was a young man that grew up, and, you know, I was growing up in the 60s. It was crazy. Now it's crazy then, too. But I. And I walked into a home where my identity wasn't wrapped around what happened to me. All day long, my identity was wrapped around that. A God who loved me, a dad who loved me, and a dad who loved my mom. And those things weren't changing. Here's the problem, David. And to all the coaches, everybody out there, most kids today are over three. Wow. Most kids today are growing up in homes, and they're growing up in homes. We're talking to men. They're growing up in homes where nobody's telling them, the father's not telling them, God loves them, the father's probably not even in them. 50% of the time, the father's not in the home and the father's not a loving mom. And then we expect that young man to go out there and find his identity and what. And they're finding the identity and every single thing that hits them in the mouth throughout the day. I don't have any excuses. And so here's the reason I preface. And I start by saying that is, coaches, there's a problem. And that's where you step in. That's why I coached. And that's the first thing you got to understand is why are you coaching? Is this your ego? Is this. You want to set records? You want to have something to boast about, a trophy, whatever. Why are you coaching? And if you're not coaching to address a problem that's in our culture and to inspire young men, then you're coaching for the wrong reason. I'm not saying winning is not important. Trust me, nobody wants to win more than I do. I'm telling you right now, I will lay on a hot tire roof longer than you to win. But that's not the first reason I coach. The first reason I coach is to inspire young men and ultimately to love God, which we can talk about some today. That's why I'm coaching. So to all the coaches out there, that's why you do what you do. And if that's not your priority, it'll never show up in your coaching. It's not going to show up. It's only going to show up if that's your priority. And it says in, you know, it says in Matthew 6:33, but seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and then all these things will be added unto you. Here's the problem. We've chased all those things first and never find the kingdom of God and his righteousness. When I speak to businessman, it's not bad to chase money. I. All those guys at first trust. Jim Bowen was a teammate of mine. I tell him, you're in a business. If I was in the business world, I'd be kicking your butt and I'd be making a million more than you are. Okay? I would. I told Edseller man, you'd be number two and I'd be number one. But that's. That can't. That can't be your first goal. In football and coaches, your first goal should be win, win, win, win, win. Because here's what happens. You will prostitute yourself for that dollar and you will prostitute yourself for that w. Yeah. And you will never find the kingdom of God and you will never influence people for Christ. So it's a priority thing. That's the first thing I can sit here and chat all day long about these things that got to be instilled. But if these things that you're instilling are coming second, third, and fourth on your priority list, the kid's going to figure it out. He's gonna figure it out. It's an afterthought. It's an absolute afterthought. And so that would be the first thing that I would say before I get into these things. And then the other thing I would say, David, and you, you understand, this is better than anybody does. If you don't live these things, you have no shot. You have no shot. Integrity, I call it integrity. Integrity is the absolute supreme quality of any leader. Dwight Eisenhower said it. I think Dwight Eisenhower is the greatest leader of all time. And you can argue with me, but you're going to lose that argument. Okay.
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David Rutherford
I'm with you on that one.
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Riley Herbst
West Point grad rose to his five star general and became president. You know anybody else has done that? No, I mean, come on, he, you know what he said? Integrity is the number one quality of a leader. And here's what. Integrity is what you say and how you live. Sync up what you represent. The model of first trust or business, Wheaton College, your family, being a believer. Here are. Here's the model and here's what this stuff stands for. Here's how I live. If those two don't sync up, it's. You're not going to teach your players anything. They're going to see through you in a second. You have to live it. You, before you say it, you've got to live it. And they've got to see it in your life first. There's got to be authenticity, David. Without authenticity, your words, they are absolutely. They rendered meaningless. And so that's what I would say to these, the coaches that are listening and men, and whoever out there. Is that your integrity? Do you. Do you and I. Here's another way you can explain it. You're in a business world. Men of integrity regularly audit the state of their soul. First trust. First trust doesn't audit every year, maybe two a year. Money in, money out, right? Here's what we're bringing in. Here's how it's being spent. Whoa, a lot more is coming in. I don't see it being spent. Or more is being. And you know, they gotta, they gotta line them up. If you don't line them up regularly, something gets out of whack and then you fall down. You gotta audit the state of your soul. Here's what it means to coaches and men. Here's what I say. Here's how I live. Does it add up? Here's my vows to my wife. Here's how I'm living. Does it add up? I represented Wheaton football. Here are our core values. Here's my life. Does it add up? I claim Christ is my Savior, these are the values. Here's what I say, what I'm going to talk about today. Here's how I live. Does it add up? If it doesn't add up, you have no shot. We can sit here and talk all you want to these coaches out here, but if you're not living this stuff, you ain't going to influence anybody, Nobody at all. Not a person in your life. And so, you know, I would preface everything we talk about by those two things that you, you got to prioritize these things and you got to live these things because your life, your life will teach your kids more than any word that comes out of your mouth. You know, and settler and all those guys, I mean, they, that's what they said. Coach, man, you lived it. You know, it can come to just training demands. I was, I, I was in the weight room, I was running, I was doing everything with them, man. You know, it's, I couldn't do as much as him at the end, but, you know, I was there. I was there. I got, I got five artificial joints now to testify.
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David Rutherford
I love the legendary story. What's the one about you running the, the, what was it? The mile? You had, you had to do the mile and you did three of them back.
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Riley Herbst
Yeah, 12 minute run.
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David Rutherford
We had a 12 minute.
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Riley Herbst
12 minute run.
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David Rutherford
That's right.
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Riley Herbst
First came in. When I first came in, I, I made all these demands and I, I said, I got. There's only one thing to make these guys do it and they're gonna see something. So they had, we had to run a 12 minute run based on your height, your weight, your position, you know, the big guys had run it. Obviously not as far as the little guys anyhow. Yeah. So I said, this is what we're doing. And I wasn't the head coach at the time. I said, but this is what we're doing. And maybe, you know, this kind of aerobic capacity doesn't equate to a football player. But you know what? I want to find out who's got it down inside. I want to find who's going to do something because I said, you got to do it and who's going to fight through it. This is going to tell me who you are and if you're going to be able to handle everything else, I'm going to demand. So I said, here's what I'm going to do. We did a 12 minute run for three different position groups and then within a minute we did another one for the next. So we would get it done in 36 minutes. I said, I'm gonna run every single one. I'm gonna run the first one with the first group, I'm gonna run the second one, the second group, I'm gonna run a third one with the third group, and I'm gonna make the standard of the fastest group on every group. And so I went back to back to back and set the standard on every single group. Well, all of a sudden, you know what happens when I challenge him to run their sprints the next day? You know what happened? They believed me.
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David Rutherford
Yes, they did.
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Riley Herbst
You can't. You, you can't manufacture that stuff, man. You can't. You, you, who you are, it's everything. You know, people don't follow titles. They follow leaders. People don't file titles. You know what they follow? They follow a life. That's what they follow. They don't. And if your life and your words don't sync up, what we share today on your show, David, we can talk about anything. It's not going to matter. So I just had a. I had to start with that. And then the third thing I wanted just to mention before we really jump into this and is what I had shared with you earlier too. You know, we gotta, as believers, we gotta. And really, it's anybody. But as believers, we know we're eternity. Like, we have two days in life guaranteed. We got today, David, I'm on your show. We got that guaranteed. God gave us that. He's like, we got today. And the only other guarantee we got, David, is the day we see God.
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David Rutherford
Amen.
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Riley Herbst
Those are the only two days we got guaranteed. Here's the problem. We live in a world as if that day is never going to come. I'm going to tell you right now, it could come tomorrow. Mike Leach coach, Mississippi State's coaching in a practice before a bowl game, and four o' clock that afternoon, he passes away from a massive heart attack. I mean, you don't know. We all know stories about people woke up that day and it was their last day. If we all lived life in light of the day we see God, every single person would live differently. Nobody would worry about peer pressure, nobody would worry about anything. We would all live differently. And what we're going to talk about today would always be priorities, everything. It would reset your priorities in a second. It would reset everything. But we don't do that and we forget that. And so I think if we adjust everything, I'm going to say based on those three things, setting your priorities, make sure your priorities are Right. Live it. And remember that you could see God tomorrow and you're going to stand before him on the brink of eternity. I think you'd be much more apt to make these a priority as you coach, rather than winning and losing, the winning and losing will happen. I'm telling you, I can get on a board and I can diagram stuff with the best of them. I'll, I, I can go X and O's with you to the Cows come home. That's, that's not what Justin Zeller and Chris Fossen remember right now, do they, David? No, they don't remember that. No, you remember everything else. They won. They didn't have to compromise winning. And you don't have to compromise making money in the business world, people, you can make your money. But I'm gonna tell you right now, if you don't put God first, man, the rest of your life will get twisted up. So anyhow, just a little preface to some of these things.
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David Rutherford
I think that's the whole show right there. We're done.
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Riley Herbst
I'm ready to go. We could probably do 10 shows.
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David Rutherford
Well, as this, as this evolving. All I'm thinking in my head is, man, I'm gonna get him on at least on the phone with me once, once every month just to get that motivation. I get them on the show to motivate my audience, you know, once. So don't worry. That's going to happen, coach. For sure. Well, for sure.
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Riley Herbst
That is good. So, yeah, anyhow, here's, here's how we'll start this. This little chat that I had.
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Riley Herbst
First. I have a, I have a statement that you never rise to the occasion. You always default to your level of preparation. You know this. I mean, if a Navy SEAL doesn't know it, nobody knows it.
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David Rutherford
We live and die by it.
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Riley Herbst
Pardon me?
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David Rutherford
We live and die by that motto.
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Riley Herbst
Yeah, you have to, you don't, you know, all of a sudden rise dead. No, you default. All your preparation. Nobody's going to ever perform and do some of these heroic things in any walk of life, whether it's a fireman, a football player, a guy in the army, whatever it is, nobody's ever going to rise to this, this level of competency and a performance just because the moment inspired them. Because we're all, we're all going to start squeezing something really tight and we're going to fail, but we just default to what we've been repeatedly done for years prior. Problem is, people get bored with repetition. They get bored with all this stuff. And then when the moment comes, it's not a natural instinct. And if you got to think about every single thing, you're Cooked. You are absolutely cooked. So I would say these are things that, you know, you gotta regularly, you know, incorporate into your life and core values. And they come by reading scripture. I said, you know, you gotta. If you're not reading scripture every day and you're not praying every day, and you're not church on Sunday and you're not in a small group and you're not involved in acts of service, you're never gonna be close to God and you're never gonna be prepared for anything. And so I would challenge them with that. And so let's start with the first. The first one that I think is absolutely critical. If in that moment of truth in your life, that moment of truth, your marriage, you're on Friday night, you're on a business trip, that moment of truth comes. Are you going to walk with God? When you can compromise yourself with a deal that's not square, Are you going to walk with God? When you lose your patience, it's who do you fear? That's principle number one. Who do you fear? Do you fear God or do you fear man? And I can tell who you fear within 10 minutes, within 10 minutes, who you fear. Because you know what? When the next guy gets in front of you, you fear him. And when you don't fear God, you become this amoeba who just forms to his environment. Whoever I'm around, whatever group I'm around, I'm this politician who's speaking to the Veterans of Foreign wars, to the Teamsters, I to liberal Hollywood to all. And you know what? My talk changes. Who are you? You know what I want? I want the guy says the same daggone thing that everybody stands in front of that guy. And when it comes to your faith, that guy's the guy that fears God. Because you base, whether you're a politician, you base your life and your decisions on what does God think? Yes, I could see him tomorrow. What would God want me to do? What would he want me to say? I would get in front of a group of people when I speak. And I. One of the things I always say, to start with, I say, listen, I hope all you end up liking me when I'm done talking here. But to be honest with you, with all due respect, even in this conversation, I don't care whether you like me or not. I really don't. I hope you do, but I don't. I'm not saying this so you like me. I could see God tomorrow. And you know what I want God to say to me? Man, oh man, you Represented me well on David's show at noon Central standard time. That's what I wanted to be said. I don't want to be said that a hundred different people liked me. No, I hope they do, but if they don't, it's irrelevant. And so that's the fear of God. Who do you fear? Who are you ultimately accountable to? Who influences your choices? You know, it's called peer pressure. For we tell our junior high kids, your junior high son, don't worry about people think. The 50 year old is worried about. Someone thinks in the, in a marketplace. He's worried about what someone thinks in the, in the political realm. You know, it's, it's lunacy. We, we demand from our junior high kids to not respond to peer pressure and we live a life based on peer pressure.
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David Rutherford
It's sad.
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Riley Herbst
It's sad. It's absolutely sad. And so what I would always tell my kids growing up that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. That's Psalm 111, 10. It's the beginning of wisdom. And don't, like I said, don't ever base your decisions on public opinion. Base them on conviction based on the fear of God. And when you fear God and you regularly audit the state of your soul, I'm going to tell you something. You're going to live a life, you know what? That's consistent. Yes. And that's what people are going to follow. They're going to follow a consistent life. And a consistent life can only be lived if your convictions and your actions are based on what would God want me to do? And I'm worried about what he's going to respond, how he's going to respond when I see him. And I could see him tomorrow. And I'm going to tell you something right now. Most of the world thinks God didn't even exist. They don't even think he exists or they don't think they're going to see him. And then you wonder why we just float around in this world and we just bounce around with change and we change and nobody's following, nobody's adjusting. And so I think that's the first thing that we got to do as men and as coaches is that we got to live a life that's consistent.
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David Rutherford
Yeah.
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Riley Herbst
With our core values, with our convictions that have been based on scripture and what God would want me to do. And that's the first thing we got instill in young people. And it's the first thing you got to do to live. When you live is everything's got to be based on. There's. I would finish every practice. We're in a Christian school. And so we lived our life based on at least the core values were the principles of scripture. And I'd finish every practice, I'd say, men, you know the difference between right and wrong. Deep in your soul. Justin Zeller, deep in your soul, you know the difference. Choose right. Choose right. When it comes to your walk with God, when it comes to your kids, when it comes to your wife, when it comes to a deal you gotta make, choose right and choose right. And what is right doesn't change. Right doesn't depend upon your environment. Rights would.
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David Rutherford
That's right.
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Riley Herbst
Right was what God says. What would the God that I'm going to see want me to do on the brink of eternity? Wow. That's the fear of God. And when you fear God and you regularly audit the state of your souls, I'm going to tell you right now, you'll be different. I've also said this many times, your reputation is merely what men and women think of you. Your character and your integrity is what God and the angels know. David Rutherford, what do God and the angels know about your soul? Mike Swider. Mike Swider. What do God and the angels know about my soul? Man, am I worried about what they think because your reputation can change. Well, this person thinks I'm great. That person thinks I'm a bum. I coach that. That parent thought I was the greatest coach in the world. A parent of a kid I didn't play thought I was a bum. You know, that's my reputation on, you know, my character is. That's what God and the angels know about me. And that's when you have character and you have integrity. It's always based on the fear of God. And that would be the first thing that you got to default to in how you live is fearing God. The second thing I always said was trusting God. You got to fear God and you got to trust God. Who do you trust? Psalm or Proverbs 3, 5 says, Trust in the Lord with all your heart. And what? Lean not on your own understanding. Yeah. In all your ways, acknowledge him and he will make your path straight. But what we do first, we lean on our own understanding. When something crazy happens, we immediately try to decide why rather than first and say, okay, I'm going to trust God through this. That's the first thing I'm going to do. I'm going to get on my knees and I'm going to trust God. It doesn't Mean we don't work, we don't. Mean we don't apply our understanding. But it's a priority thing. Again, it. I'm going to trust God through this process and that this is occurring in my life not because of chance, not because of bad luck, but because a sovereign God is allowing it into my life that God loves me. He demonstrated his love by dying on the cross for me. I will trust him. And that's the first thing I'm going to do. I'm going to trust him through this and then I'm going to get to work. But I'm going to trust him that this is not a random class. This is something that has been filtered through the hand of God who loves me. I say this all the time. People have kids. You know, when, when my 8 year old, 6 year old, my. My second one, little Mike Mikey, he runs into the street chasing a ball in between two park cars, bolts out there. I grab him and I spank his little behind. I know you can't do that anymore, but I did it. Okay, now we got that out of the way, okay? I spank him. I said, you can't do that. You can't do that. And he doesn't understand why. He doesn't even. He has no conception. So here's what I say to him. Because it was a bad moment in his life. He felt pain. He. He's deprived of joy, of chasing a ball. I say number one. I say, does Daddy love you? Through his sniffle. Daddy loves me. How do you know Daddy loves you? Tell me how you know I love you. I want you to verbalize that for me right now. Well, because you give me food or you play baseball with me, or you take me to the Yankees game or whatever. I mean you, you, you, what you do for me, or you, you came home early from work or you sacrifice so you know I love you and you can verbalize how you know I love you. Then you say, it's because I love you that I'm doing this. And you know, my next statement is trust me.
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David Rutherford
Trust me.
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Riley Herbst
You trust somebody who has demonstrated his love for you. You're a Navy seal. Those guys have demonstrated their love for you. That's why you trust them. They've already demonstrated that you can trust them by the lives they've lived and by what they've done. Yes. We're not trusting a God. That is some out there God. That is distant. That's abstract. We are trusting a God with our days who took his son and put him on A cross and died because that was the penalty we were going to face in after death if we didn't put our faith in God. And so then I use this example. I have my older son. I put him in front of our team, David, every Easter, I put my arm around him when he was playing, put my arm around him. I said, here's the deal. You hunter guys, you're condemned to death row. You're going to die because what you've done, that's your penalty. It's death. But I got a plan. And my son, my son, he's in on a plan too. And here's what we're gonna do. He's gonna go and die for you. And you all gonna live. He's gonna die. My son, who you know he's gonna die and you're gonna live. And so I watched my son get beaten beyond human recognition. And I allow him to die on a cross when I could have stopped at any time. And I allow my son to be executed so David Rutherford can live. And then, you know, that's happened. Would you ever not trust me, David? No, not a shot. No, not a shot. Would you ever not talk to me? Would you ever not pray to me? Pray, meaning to God? I mean. No, it's, you know. Would you ever not read my words? Listen to me. We don't talk to a God. Read his words, speak to him, ask him. And trust the God who let his own son take our death penalty. Shame on us, man. And if we're going to make it, if we're going to be people of influence, coaches, we got to make sure our players understand that they are trusting a God whose son died so that we can live. And that, that God's going to allow things in our life with losses, tough times that we have no concept of. Like my seconds on a note. Why? Don't understand. Why? Trust me. I love you. That's all we need to know. You know what's going to happen someday they'll understand. And someday we'll understand God too. When my son was 10 years old, he came up to me, he says, dad, I understand now why you spanked me when I was six. I understand. And you know what he said next? Thank you. Thank you. We don't understand everything God puts in our life right now, do we?
- [39:11]
David Rutherford
No.
- [39:13]
Riley Herbst
He's infinite and we're finite. I was 40 years old and my son was 6. If a 6 year old can understand a 40 year old mind, it's not very good. So I asked him to trust that 40 year old mind because I loved him. And God is infinite. Infinite. And I'm 70 years old. I'm called to trust that infinite mind who loves me. And so when things come in my way, my first response would be not anger, bitterness, someone's trying to screw me over. Not any of this. Why did this happen? No, no, there's purpose in every day of my life. And that purpose is being allowed by a God who demonstrated his love for me. Trust him. Now get to work. Yes, now get to work.
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David Rutherford
Now get to work.
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Riley Herbst
You know, fear God. Now get to work. It doesn't mean we rail over and die. And we, you know, I always said it's the greatest airplane pilots ought to be believers, the greatest Navy Seals ought to be believers, the greatest businessmen ought to be believers. You know why they ought to be believers? Because you know what? Our days and the results of everything we do is already determined by God. And we're just being obedient to a God we love. I love that anyhow, you know, I could go on and on and on and all that, but it's, you know, the other example I use all the time about trust is, you know, the story of Jesus. And there was that storm and the disciples were in a boat and Peter, and they're all worried, and all of a sudden, Jesus is what comes walking on the water and there's this turbulence and why did. And Jesus calls Peter, he calls Peter out of the boat. He says, ah, I love that. Did he call him out of the boat to watch him drown? No. Why'd he call him out of the boat? To do something special with his life like walk on water. And all Peter had to do was trust him. It didn't make any sense. It made no sense what God was asking him to do. But God will never do anything remarkable with your life unless you step out of the boat and trust the God who died for you. And then you know what will happen? You'll walk on water. You walk on water. Amen. And so the trust part, again, I could go on and on, but that was the second thing I mentioned. And the third thing I talked about was we mentioned it briefly here already, but seek ye first. Matthew 6:33. The kingdom of God. It's setting your priorities. You know, our identity has to be in Christ. Our identity. My son, I coach baseball with my son. And he says all the time, if your identity is, if you're at bat, well, your identity is going to be good 30% of the time, because if you hit three, okay, so you know you went one for five today. You're going to think you stunk four times. Okay, in your identity you just made an error. I mean, or your identity. It can't be in that the only people whose identity is level is the people whose identity is in Christ.
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David Rutherford
Required what I want to just talk to you a little bit about is our our new Embrace Fear curriculum that's available on davidrutherford.com it's a part the Frog Logic Institute which is going to be an emerging group of of of core products or core curriculum that I've been working on over the past 30 years. The first in line is is learning to embrace your fear. Fear is the number one emotion that impedes us from achieving anything that we truly put want to put our minds to right. It's that emotion that's wired in. You've been taught it your whole life. It's it's that that that one thing that you really have to get ahold of.
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Riley Herbst
Now.
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David Rutherford
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Riley Herbst
Thank you. That's why when I told you, when I started out, I never questioned my identity. My dad told me my identity was in God. My next identity, I was his son. And the next identity was I had a father that loved his mother. And those three never changed. Never. I wasn't three for ten like the baseball guy. I was three for three every single day, David, in my identity concept, I was 3 for 3 every day as a 16 year old kid in my identity. My God loved me, my dad loved me, my dad loved my mom. And I never saw that change no matter what my day was like. My day was God awful sometimes, but my identity was in Christ. And then when that comes, you seek him. And first, when your identity's in him, you seek him first. In all that you do, you don't seek. You know, it's like when you go to do something saying am is pleasing to God. Okay, first I'm doing something that's pleasing to God. Next, I'm going to take a lot of reps in the batting cage because it's going to help me hit. But it can't be displeasing to God. God, it's the business guy. I got to make this decision, okay, is this pleasing to God first? No, it's not. Then I don't care how much money it's going to make me. We're not doing this. Is it pleasing to God? Am I seeking God first? The kingdom of God is righteousness. I am. This is. Okay, this aligns with core values. Okay, then I'm going after that win and I'm going after that million dollar deal harder than you are, harder than you are, man. And I will beat you, Justin Zeller, because I'll lay on that hot dog roof hot longer, but it's filtered through. Does this match up with my core values that are established because I'm a believer in the core values of scripture, Am I seeking God's approval first? And that's. That is so critical. Here's one thing. When I was at Wheaton with these guys, we would split up into small groups and small groups met once a week. We'd go on mission trips and we would raise a couple hundred thousand dollars every year and we would send 80% of our team. We required our kids to go at least once their four years. But 80% of our kids, we'd have 80 to 90 kids every year. And we would, we would, we would go to a part of the world where there was a former player as a missionary to be an encouragement to him. So we were in Africa and Central America and South America and Eastern Europe and all over the place. And then we would be in sometimes in some areas here in the country. Wow. And, and we would go. And, and that had such a powerful influence on our kids life. And so they learned how to serve, they learned what it was like to serve others. And when you serve others less fortunate, what you think is such a big problem in your own life isn't very, very big.
- [50:51]
David Rutherford
Amen.
- [50:52]
Riley Herbst
I, I would stand in our football field at the end of a game, our home field. Now we won about 90% of the games on our home field. I mean there was a streak. We had lost six out of like an 85 year period. I mean we didn't really have home fury. Okay. But every now and then we lost. Well, there's a train behind a visitor stand that was a commuter chain that would go into the city. We were about 45 minutes outside the city of Chicago. That commuter train would go in the city. And here's what I would tell after every loss. Guys were down and they were bellyaching, they were blaming others. You know, their whole world was falling apart. They were going to yell at their mom, you know, whatever I said, here's what you need to do. Everyone on this team, or if you're struggling this loss so bad, here's what I want you to do. I want you to take some money, I want you to go down to the grocery store, I want you to buy a bag of mandarin oranges, I want you to buy a jar of peanut butter and a loaf of bread. I want you to make some peanut butter sandwiches. And once you buy a case of water, I want you to put in your backpack, I want you to get on that train. I want you go in the city and want you to feed the homeless for the next two hours Saturday night. Wow. Okay. And when you come back, this loss won't eat a hill of beans to you because you have realized what? Count my blessings. Yes. Seek God first. Put everything through that perspective. And that's what all that does is it's a football team that when we address loss, talk about seeking God. How can we serve God tonight? You know, we go on these mission trips. These mission trips cost us $200,000 a year. Well, after 20 years, that's $4 million. I could have built a heck of a weight room, man. So I'm speaking to a. I'm speaking to a group of coaches, and they're going, well, that $404 million you spending on that. I said, yeah. He said, well, and on Friday nights, you have chapel and you don't practice. I say, yeah, we sing and pray. We're seeking God first. You mean, and you tell your kids to go feed the homeless. We're seeking God first. Your spring break, you're spending $200,000 a year to go, yeah, we're seeking God first. He says, well, how are you ready to play games on Saturday if you got. If you're singing and praying on Friday, if you're spring break and you're all. I says here, why don't you schedule us and find out if we're ready? Okay, Just schedule us. Because you know what? Our kids are fighting and you know this. This. Our kids are fighting for the cause of Christ. Because they seek Christ. They're fighting for the cause of their team. It translates down. You were in the military. You hire a mercenary. He's not going to fight to death because he wants to spend his money. You hire someone who's fighting for glory. He'll never fight to the death because he wants to hear the applause. But the guy's fighting for cause. He dies because the cause transcends his life. The money's not going to transcend your life. Life. The fame's not going to transcend your life, but that flag will transcend your life. Never get in a fight with someone who's fighting for cause if you're not fighting for it because you lose every time. Now, there's good causes and bad causes, but you put a cause first and seek God first. That's your cause. That's why we're doing this. That's why we're playing the way we play. That's why we live the way we live. That's why we practice, because that's what God would call us to do. 4. Reject the philosophy of the world. Colossians 2, 8. You know, my dad would send this to me. My first coaching job was down in Atlanta, and I was at Westminster Prep School in Atlanta for. From 78 to 84 before I came back to Wheaton when I was 30. And my dad would send me this verse, and he would send to me once a week through the Pony Express. It wasn't through an email. It wasn't through 19. Tell you, 1978. None of that existed. He'd write in a letter, put in the mail and I'd get it five days later. And it said Colossians 2. 8. See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men. Wow. You know what? I read that every week from my father. You already know the story of my dad, so you know where it's coming from. Yeah, I read that every day. And I'm going to tell you something right now. If you read Galatians 6, don't be deceived. God will not be walked. You will reap what you sow. First Corinthians 3, 19. I will make foolish the wisdom of this world. You know what we do? We don't reject the philosophy of the world. We don't reject it. If you are ever going to be a difference maker, you got to reject the philosophy of the world. Because the philosophy of the world is going to hell in a handbasket. You have got to say here is the philosophy, if we call philosophy, but here is my faith. Faith. My faith and my perspective and my core values and my roadmap does not come from the philosophy of the world. It comes from Scripture. Unchanging 2000 year old Scripture that has stood the test of time and has never changed. That's what I'm going to base my life on. But we don't. We do not reject the philosophy of the world because we don't fear God, because we don't trust God. It's, it's. These are all, they piggyback, they overlap, they layer each other because we don't trust God. So my question to you is, who are you listening to? Yes, who are you listening to? You listen to that Instagram post, your Twitter account. I can't even spell Instagram. I can't even spell Twitter. I can't even spell Facebook. I've never even been on them. I don't even care. I don't even care. I don't even care. The only reason I have Instagram. I tell you, Vince, I take that back. The only Instagram account I've ever even seen in my life is the Instagram account of my kids when they put post pictures of my grandkids. Yeah. Or what they're doing that day. So I, I look at theirs. I, I've never been on Twitter. I don't even know what Twitter is. I'm the village idiot. I'm just a long haired dumb football coach, man. That's all I am. But I'm telling you something is. Who are you listening to? That's going to determine your destiny. And in scripture it says, see to it that you don't be taken captive by the rudimentary elementary principles of the world of man rather than according to Christ. You can just see how this layers. And you can see how the businessman fails on a Friday night when he's got alcohol. Him. You can see how he fails. He can rise to the occasion. He has no shot to rise the occasion. He, in fearing God. He's not seeking God, he's reading his Instagram account. He doesn't trust God. Well, you know what's gonna happen? You're gonna fail. So am I gonna fail. That Navy SEAL is not going to execute that assignment. If he hasn't prepared himself, he's got no shot. He'd be like the dude off the street with a three piece suit on. You get his head blown off in the first five minutes of the event. You know, it's, it's. This isn't rocket science. It really is not. And, and just like that Navy seal, you got to have these things that are regularly happening in your life, so when that moment comes, you're prepared. So you'll stand tall, you won't fall. And, and they're, they're critical. And then the fifth one here and I, I know we, we gotta go, but the last one, it's all good.
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David Rutherford
You're good, coach. Keep rolling, keep rolling.
- [58:30]
Riley Herbst
It's, it's the. I touched on it earlier. Don't forget the cost of your salvation. If you never forget the cost of your salvation, you know what would happen? You'd never be unfaithful. I've already talked about my son becoming, you know, if I, when I put him in front like on Easter. But here's the thing. This is, this is why, this is what grind. My dad was World War II vet, you say, over our country. That's what grinds me when Memorial Day and some of these days are abused. Because you know what happens when you forget the cost of your freedom? You lose it. You lose it. When you forget. Don't forget. Do not forget the cost of your salvation. And here in the United States, do not forget the price it was paid. So you and I can talk today. But you know what happens? We forget. We forget. And that's the sad thing. You know, like I said, if my son David had died for you and this is a different kind of death. You were in the military. This is a different kind of death. When a guy, just out of reaction and because you're his combat bro, jumps on a grenade or shields a bullet. I mean, premeditatedly, okay. I mean this is, this is not in common. This is premeditatedly, okay? I might die for someone in a combat zone, but premeditatedly. I've said this many times. I die for like. Well before my kids got married. I always say this. I die for four people premeditatedly. I die for my wife, my three kids. Those are the only people I die for. Now if I was in war or something. You're right, you know, because you're, you're, you're, you're. You're going to be fa. But I mean prement. You know why? Because I don't want my kids to go without a father. I don't want my. And so just a premeditatedly plan. I'm just going to choreograph this so David can live. If I did that, like I said, would you ever forget the cost for you to live? Now translate that to the next level. These soldiers that have done it at the next level. Not the level of Christ, but the next level. But we forget on both accounts and we don't talk to God. We don't talk to God. Do we ever. We don't thank God. We don't trust God. You can see how these others start happening. We don't fear God. We don't do any of this because we forgot what he did for us. We forgot. We forgot the cost that was paid so that we can coach football. So that you can speak that first. Trust. So we can be on the air here. We forgot and we think it's just a right for God. We're going to heaven. I've said this many times, David. You and I deserve hell. You know what? We get heaven.
- [61:44]
David Rutherford
Amen.
- [61:45]
Riley Herbst
We get heaven not because of anything we did. We get heaven because God put his son on the cross and shed his blood for our sin. See that blood? All we got to do is accept his blood in place of our blood. That blood's for everybody. Black, white, doesn't matter. That blood is for every human being because all of our blood's red. So his blood is. We just gotta say, will you take your son's blood in my place? And God said, I'll take it. And you know what happens? We become a child of God. And as long as we don't forget that, we don't forget that. Everything else will fall into place. We'll fear God. We'll seek him. We'll trust him. Well, we won't. We'll reject. Who are you going to listen to, the guy that died for you or the yo yo out there who wants an Instagram hit? I mean, who are you listening to? I'm listening to the Twitter dude. You're not listening to the guy who died for you. What about your own son? I mean, what about the soldier, like I said, who died and his parents or his buddy ask you to do something and you'd rather. Come on, man. This isn't rocket science. Yeah, it really is not. You know, and so, you know, I just. I could go on. On so many things here, David, but, you know, those things. I think those are things that you. You asked me to share on, and I could. I could speak an hour on each of them, but there's so many other things. But. But Those are the five things that I happen. That chapel talk only took 21 minutes and we've been on for 40.
- [63:28]
David Rutherford
Well, coach.
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Riley Herbst
But those are the five things that they've got to be going on in your life. And, coaches, those are the five things you better be living. And if you ain't living them, don't try to teach them. Don't even try to teach them. If you're living them, then demand them. And like I said, you're going to get people that respond to you because they want to, because you're living them. And so that would be my gist to you guys is live these things out. And remember, you could see God tomorrow. So if you live them out and you're going to see God tomorrow, man, your players will buy into them. And then those players, you know what they'll do? They'll play for you. They'll play for you. There's a thousand other reasons to play for you. I could go in and I could go into a lot of other reasons why they play for you, but they'll play for you and your business guys, they'll work for you. You. They'll stay up later and. And it's your life before you try to teach those five things or demand them from your players, make sure you're living them. And the only way you'll live them if. Is if you believe you're going to see God tomorrow.
- [64:33]
David Rutherford
Amen. Coach. It's not often that somebody leaves me speechless, I can tell you that. My wife could tell you that for sure. But I just, you know, hearing you in person, you know, deliver those five things again has made that video ever even hit me even heavier than it did watching it the first time. And I know when I watch this and listen to this again, and I just hope and pray that the people that listen to this show and. And hear what you're saying to them, that it just. That seed. They allow that seed to. To be planted in their heart and their soul. Because I know that, you know, your words are. Are coming from your faith and coming from how you live your life. And as a person who's talked to, you know, 20 plus of the. The. The men that you influenced and how they live their lives and how they act as men in their communities and, you know, in the. In the lessons that they portray, you know, through your word and through the. The word of God, is it'.
- [65:44]
Riley Herbst
Informational.
- [65:45]
David Rutherford
And the people that they impact and the people that, you know, we've tried to impact in our lives, and I know this is truth.
- [65:53]
Riley Herbst
So.
- [65:53]
David Rutherford
Once again, Coach, I can't thank you enough. I'm beyond honored to have had you on my show, and I'm looking forward to the next time you come back, sir.
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Riley Herbst
Well, it'll be. It'll be fun, man. It's like I said, you know, it's is. Iron sharpens iron, and I. I want to publicly thank you for your service to our country, for the sacrifices you made for your family, had to make for what you did, and know that there are people out there that recognize that and appreciate you. And I hope you never put your head on a pillow at night and feel like your service to our country was in vain, because there's one guy right here you're talking to that appreciates it.
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David Rutherford
Well, thank you very much, sir.
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Riley Herbst
All right. All right.
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David Rutherford
God bless you, Coach.
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Riley Herbst
Thank you so much. Have a great day. David.
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iHeart Podcast Host
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Riley Herbst
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iHeart Podcast Host
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Riley Herbst
This is an I Heart podcast.