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Clay Travis
This is an I Heart podcast.
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Buck Sexton
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Welcome in Wednesday Edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Oh my goodness. Maybe real panic in the Biden world as the proverb crap may have hit the fan here. And I I do think this is a really big story that has just happened this morning that we are going to dive into and explain what exactly is going on here. As if you don't already know. Joe Biden's doctor, his personal physician, his White House chief health official for his own Personal ability and health was called before Congress. They're doing an investigation into Joe Biden's mental and physical faculties and what now is increasingly looking more and more like a cover up. And this is a big deal. And I'm curious how much attention it's going to get, but I think it should get a massive amount of attention. And I want to read from James Comer who is heading up this committee. And we have an invite out to Representative Comer to come on the program and talk about this. This is what he tweeted. President Joe Biden's physician, Dr. Kevin O', Connor, just pled the fifth at his deposition before Congress today. It's now clear there was a conspiracy to cover up President Biden's cognitive decline. And after Dr. Kevin O', Connor, Biden's physician and family business associate, refused to answer any questions and chose to hide behind the Fifth Amendment. The American people demand transparency, but Dr. O' Connor would rather conceal the truth. Dr. O' Connor took the Fifth when asked if he was told to lie about President Biden's health and whether he was fit to be President of the United States. Congress must assess legislative solutions to prevent such a cover up from happening again. We will continue to interview more Biden White House aides to get the answers Americans deserve. Okay, let me, let me tell you what stands out to me in a very significant way here. And this is me, if I were giving legal advice. You take the Fifth when you are afraid that it is going to be proven that you have lied, you lie. I'm just saying this is how it really works. You lie. Which is what I expected Biden's physician to do. When you think you can get away with the lie and there is no one that is going to be able to hold you accountable for it. Now, I'm not saying people are like, oh, you should never lie. I understand. Ok.
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Clay Travis
In general, Clay is not just to be clear, ok, as consigliere, he's not supporting perjury. He's not telling anybody to try to game the system. He's just saying, strategically, this is how people do.
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Narrator
This is how this works. If you think you can get away with a lie in this situation, if they say, hey, what did you think about Joe Biden? Then you just say, hey, you know, he was 100% healthy. And, and, or if you actually believe it to be fair, because you could just say, well, he was 100% healthy. There was never any issues at all. And I was thoroughly confident that he could do the job here's what I think is going on, Buck. I think one of two things is about to happen and it's going to become a five alarm fire inside of the Biden health cover up. One, there is somebody who's going to flip and they may be working on this right now and they may have somebody inside of the Biden team that is on the verge of flipping and just be in the canary and singing like crazy about all of the conspiracy that actually took place. What he or she saw, what actually took place, what we all know was occurring. It may be about to become public in a way that makes people say, oh my goodness. Two, there may be documents associated with Joe Biden's health that prove, I know that they had the cancer diagnosis and we all discussed what that might represent. But there may be documents health related that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that any physician knew that Biden was not mentally and physically capable to be president of the United States. And so it could be both. I think that this investigation is jostling a lot of people. And I think his counsel said, because previously, remember what he said publicly is Joe Biden was hale and hearty. He had the job to be. He could be president for another 20 years. You know, all these lies that we know are lies. That's what he said publicly. But as soon as he has to raise that right hand, why would he take the Fifth? He is afraid maybe he's even negotiating to potentially be a witness in this larger criminal inquiry. I think this is, this is accelerating and this is the signs of what's going on.
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Clay Travis
Let's take a step back here at what this really means, Clay. The cleanup on aisle Biden is possibly going to create even more problems because remember, and this was the whole Tapper book and the whole, oh, we didn't know, we didn't know. And they're hoping that that now becomes the story. And we've sat here the whole time saying the commander in chief, the most powerful person in the world for four years, obviously had dementia. They were hiding it and they knew it. And they have finally come out and said, you know what, you were right, guys. Now that they lost the election, now that Kamala's political future is done, by the way, done. And people are saying Kamala's gonna run. No chance. Now that that's all the case, they're willing to say we missed this. No, they didn't miss it. And they were hoping to create that narrative because you can move on from that. I don't think you can move on. And people are saying, why are you guys still talking about this? Are you kidding me? It matters hugely, hugely if the people running the government, the actual individuals who in some cases maybe were even signing bills and doing things in Biden's name without his knowledge, were conspiring, and that's an important word here, conspiring to hide that fact from the American people. Let's keep in mind, Clay, some of the charges that they were trying to bring against Trump with regard to the 2020 election had to do with deprivation of civil rights. Remember how creative they were. Because if you were depriving people of a fair election, you were depriving them of a. Now, put up, put aside whether you think that that's a little too much legal hocus pocus. Look at what it would mean if Biden's doctor and people around now, the doctor can say, I had a legal obligation, and he does, to keep it private. Like, he couldn't go forward with that. But I think the doctor knows that there are other people who knew, like maybe the top White House advisers who knew, and they chose. They chose the conspiracy of silence.
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Narrator
Yeah. And also, this is where it gets interesting. You can argue, hey, my patient's private health is not for public discussion. He's entitled to that. His family might be entitled to that. Here's the problem. A lot of people had access to the reports that he was writing, and I think what likely was occurring was top Biden officials. This is why I read and have finished Original Sin. There was a cadre, the Politburo, as it were, about five top advisers for Biden, shielded him from everyone else. And, and I think that group was sitting down with the doctor and saying, here's what we're going to say publicly. I think this was a conspiracy. I think it was criminal. And I think there is starting to be fear that there may be criminal charges brought against this. And here's what I would say, and I've said this before on the program, but I would echo it now because I think it's even truer, because I was stunned that he didn't just try to lie his way through it. Candidly, this morning when I woke up and I saw this news coming down, I think there should be public primetime hearings about this in the same way that they did Jan6, because there's a precedent on this in August, when there's not very much on television. Do these make abc, NBC, cbs, cnn, msnbc, cover this as a part of their broadcast license obligations and the precedent they set on January 6, bring every one of these top advisors in front of Congress and grill them under oath.
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Clay Travis
Now, you could say, Clay, there are two. I agree. I think it's. I think that's absolutely the move. There are two ways to look at this or look at why this should happen. One is, and we'll start with it, it's the ethical right thing to do. The American people have a right to know, and that if this was done, we need this to be out there because we are a republic and we are a political entity where the knowledge of the population matters for the leadership and the future of it. Okay, and now maybe that sounds a too much like I'm giving a, you know, third grade civic speech for some people. Okay, fine. You know, they. Well, I want to talk about, you know, Epstein or I want to talk about something else. Okay, but hold on a second. Remember what happened to the midterms to your point? They ran all these hearings. Now, I know there were different reasons for it, but defense of democracy was seen as a primary reason in the key races that things just went against Republicans. You know, if you looked at the data. Defense of democracy, they say it like that, Clay. I think going into the Trump midterms here, when there's a little bit of an expectation, oh, no, they might take back the House and then they'll stymie everything. Hold on a second. Let's let all of the American people know that the Democrat Party at the very top level that have been lecturing us about our sacred democracy and our wonderful institutions that Trump was trampling on, let's let them know that they were hiding a vegetable president from the American public. And at the. In the White House day in and day out, and they were making decisions and they were signing bills and they were making decisions about life and death with operations abroad and covert actions and, and pardons and all of this with a vegetable sputtering around the White House, I think people should know the full details. Politically, that could have a real impact if you don't care about the ethics of it.
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Narrator
Yeah. And also I think the precedent that it sets in the years ahead, I think if you shame these individuals who covered up Joe Biden and potentially criminally charged them and embarrassed them publicly, I think there may be in the back of the mind of advisors going forward. I don't work for this president. I work for the American people. And that distinction sometimes can be difficult. But everyone who covered up for Joe Biden wasn't working for the American public. They were working for Joe Biden. And Worst of all, they were working for themselves in original sin. There's a good line, Buck. I haven't heard it before, and I'm paraphrasing it here, but one of the quotes is, no one quits when it's the first line of their obituary. No one quits a job. That's the first line of their obituary. Because they just kept saying, why were all these guys and gals surrounding Biden, protecting him? Because this was the apex of their career, too. It wasn't just that Joe Biden was president. It was that they were chief of staff or chief of politics. Their connection to his power was paramount. And no one quits. Think about that line. It's a really good line. I hadn't heard it before. No one quits the job. That's the first line of their resume. And I may not be synthesizing it perfectly, but that basically is the idea. And I think that's what we saw with Biden and I again, no one take. Let me say this, no one takes the Fifth who isn't concerned about what's coming next. You always take the Fifth as a prelude to something else that isn't public yet that you're afraid is coming down the tracks after you.
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Clay Travis
Well, it's one of the funniest things. You could run this. You could run this tape all day with these different Democrats now are going to say, in this case, Clay pleading the Fifth means nothing. Not an admission of guilt when it's a Republican, when it's Trump. Anybody around Trump who wanted to plead the Fifth, of course it's an admission of guilt. So there's no real principle that they apply to this at all.
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Narrator
I will also point this out. This is what we talked about a lot with Trump. They're simultaneously the legal and the political. And something can be very smart legally and awful politically. And Trump, I thought, was a masterclass on how to balance out the legal and political, because they tried to put him in prison and bankrupt him. And that was basically the undercurrent of his Entire campaign in 2024. And he did a lot of things that lawyers would say, I prefer you not do that here. This could be smart legally and devastating politically.
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Clay Travis
Did we talk on the air? Because this is one of the most interesting things you said to me off the air about what's in the book that you've read, which now, whatever. Clay's going to give me his copy, so I'm not going to give any money.
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Narrator
Yes. Next time he read the original sin book over July 4th on the beach. I finished it. Yes.
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Clay Travis
So. So he's going to give me his copy. I'm not going to give them any money. But Clay, did we talk about how Biden felt about the prospect of Trump going to prison on the show yet? I can't remember if we did.
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Narrator
I can't remember if we said that on or off air. Conversations continue. Yeah, dive into that. Yeah, let's.
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Clay Travis
Let's get into that in a moment because I also think that is really important for everyone to know, especially given the now revelations about what looks more like a conspiracy instead of the Democrats are just so dumb they can't tell when someone has, you know, brain problems. We should dive into that a little bit.
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Narrator
Yeah, no doubt. And if you're worried about conspiracies after you're gone, maybe you need to get a will. Maybe you need a trust. We had an unexpected death in my family to last year that we are still dealing with and it can be. My stepfather in law died. It was awful. And it's the first time I've had to deal with the challenges of trying to grapple with wills, trust and everything else. And I've got a legal background and it's so complicated and I tried and have done my best already to have my own will and trust. I'm 46. I'm not hopefully close to being gone, but I'm concerned already. Literally just had a conversation this morning about how complicated so many different parts of estates can be. Even if you do your absolute best and God forbid you have an unexpected death and you haven't done anything at all about it, you spend. I spend. Most of us spend a huge part of our life trying to make sure that for the people that come after us, our kids, our grandkids, that things are better and easier for them than they were for us. Have you thought about what will happen when you pass? I've got a will and trust. Buck's got a will and trust. We're both relatively young guys. Only 30% of people have actually gone through the process of taking care of what might happen when we are all gone. Go to Trust and Willcom. Make it. It's simple, it's affordable and the result can give you peace of mind. Surviving family members will have clarity in the future about what you want and hopefully will not end up in a situation where they're arguing, fighting, where there's a discord in your family because of the uncertainty about what you wanted when you passed. Website is easy Trust and Willcom experts in creating personalized trust and wills that protect your legacy. Visit Trust and Willcom today. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Mic drops that never sounded so good. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.
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The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.
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This medal is for the men who.
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J.R. Martinez
Went down that day.
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Narrator
It's for the families of those who didn't make it.
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All right.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in here to Clay Anne Buck. I just found this fascinating and I'm not trying to help sell any copies of this book. Like I said, go to your local library, you know, borrow their copy and pass it around to friends of what's it called, Original Sin. But Clay, I thought this was because I've been on this crusade for a long time that everyone needs to know the notion of old man Biden as like a cuddly figure, a grandpa, as a good guy. Maybe you disagree with him politically, but he's a good guy. There's plenty of reason that I have been saying, talking about how he lied, about how, you know, the guy responsible for his wife's death was drunk, stuff like that. Biden's a jerk.
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Narrator
Yeah.
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Clay Travis
Not a good guy. Trump is actually fundamentally a good guy. Biden is not. Tell everybody about what Biden in the book thought about Trump going to prison.
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Narrator
He was bragging about the fact, according to Original Sin, that he wanted Trump to go to prison and that they believed that all of the charges were going to completely destroy Trump's ability to be able to run in 2024 as a viable candidate. I mean, just bragging, laughing, joking about it privately.
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Clay Travis
And.
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Narrator
What emerges is, and again, I think the number of conspiracies that are true inside of the White House, the health cover up of Biden. But I mean, we've said this for a long time. The idea that all of these charges that were brought in Georgia, Florida, D.C. and New York were not being organized by the Biden White House is a complete lie. They had their fingerprints over all of this. They were manipulating it all Vegetable Biden.
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Clay Travis
Was trying to lock Trump up for the rest of his life. He was actually trying to do it. It wasn't just a political maneuver. Everybody. That's big.
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Narrator
Totally. The evidence that comes out of that book and some of the stuff that wasn't reported is some of the Most interesting.
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Clay Travis
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Narrator
Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton. So we're talking about Biden's doctor pleading the fifth. There also is reports, I think we hinted at it yesterday, but I don't know that we actually dove into it, which was that someone got Joe Biden's cell phone number in March who is writing a report on, I think they've got a book coming out about the 2024 election. And they called Biden and Biden's aides panicked that he now had a cell phone. He fumbled around in answer the guy who was calling the reporter, this is according to Axios, got just absolutely reprimanded by everyone surrounding Biden. He left a voicemail. Within two days, they had completely shut down the cell phone. And so this, I mean, and just so you guys know, and I think a lot of you do know, Trump has a personal cell phone and will answer and talk to media all the time and governors. I've witnessed him during, when I interviewed him on Air Force One, he paused the interview to pick up his phone and answer it. Buck, you and I have seen him just pause conversations, pick up his phone and answer it. It's a governor, it's a, it's a political figure, it's a, it's a reporter. But think about the COVID up still going on of Biden that his aides, even now when he's not in the White House are petrified when he answers the phone about what he might be saying to a reporter. And again, I think it speaks to not what's directly in front of us, but I think they're afraid of charges coming for the COVID up surrounding Biden. I think they're aware of that. There is going to be somebody's going to flip. There is somebody who is going to come forward and tell the truth.
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Clay Travis
I have two things. One about the charges, which I'll pose to you in a second. But, but before that, I also think, Clay, that there's a damage control mode for these. To your point about the first line of the resume or the way that your curriculum vitae reads after or CV after you've left one of these jobs. They all think the point of being the deputy something or other in a White House for most people is to become the, the actual top guy or the, or to get the, the next job up on the ladder. I mean, a lot of people who, not for everybody in the Trump administration, I don't think that's the case. I think there are a lot of people who have come in and are doing this because they want to do this and they want to serve. They're not, oh, if I'm like deputy CIA director next year I get to be, you know, the act or next time around I get the actual director. Right. I'm saying this just because I think that there's concern that anybody in the Biden orbit in any meaningful way is done. You know, they're politically toxic going forward. And that may not seem like a big thing to a lot of, a lot of us sitting around. Except this is their lot. This is what they do. This is how they've, they've, you know, devoted their professional lives to this. And proximity to power is everything. That's actually one of the only, secretly, I really do like D.C. as a city. I know I get yelled at for this, all that. Can I say you like DC is.
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Narrator
A pretty great city a lot. Yeah, yeah.
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Clay Travis
We both like DC And I know that you're groaning, I can hear, I can feel your groans all across America. But it's actually got a lot of good things going for it. The part of it, other than the fact that it's 96% Democrat, so it's obviously run like an insane asylum. But the other thing about it just culturally is everything's about proximity to power there. If you're, if you're paying attention to that, you know, or if you're picking up on it and it Just gets tiresome and it's gross. But that's the truth. These people in Biden's orbit are never going to be in the proximity of power again if it comes out that they were part of the, you know, picking up the applesauce off the ground that Biden was dribbling out of the corner of his mouth. Okay. The other thing, though, is I was going to ask you this. Charges. I see where you're going, and that's why I use that word conspiracy. But what are the. You think it's lying under oath, the Congress. I mean, those things get very political question very quickly.
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Narrator
Yeah, I. Well, that's why I think, first of all, we should have primetime hearings, because I think what you would see is a lot of these guys and gals hauled in front of Congress with a primetime audience watching would take the Fifth Amendment. And let me just say this again. There's two corridors here that you have to analyze. One is legal and the other is political. It is the case, in my opinion, that it is very, very exceedingly rare that someone takes the Fifth Amendment and has never done a single thing wrong. I would sit down right now under deposition, under oath, and answer every question completely honestly, because I don't think I've ever committed a crime and I'm not worried about perjuring myself. If you take the Fifth Amendment, your lawyers are telling you, hey, you may well have done something wrong. And if you answer this question inappropriately, you may open yourself up to a perjury charge. So it can be legally sound advice. I've given clients advice. Hey, I wouldn't answer that question. I would take the Fifth Amendment. I would avoid trying to answer that question if I were you. From a legal perspective, it can be legally sound advice to take the Fifth Amendment and simultaneously politically devastating. So I think if all of these people get called in front of Congress and they all raise their right hand and say, under advice of counsel, I'm invoking my Fifth Amendment right. I think you put that together to your point buck in a midterm and you say, hey, these are the people that want to be back in positions of power, and you just string together a series of highly influential individuals taking the Fifth Amendment. That is politically devastating. I also think some of these people may be cocky enough to believe that they can work their way through the testimony without lying, and then they're opening themselves up to significant charges. I also think the pressure that is being brought to bear. What do we say? Pressure either bursts pipes or it creates diamonds. It's one of my favorite coaching.
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Clay Travis
Never heard that before. That sounds like something an SEC football coach might have said.
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Narrator
Coaches. One of my favorite coach lines is pressure. Either burst pipes or it makes diamonds. Right. So which are you going to be? I think there's going to be a lot of burst pipes inside the Biden team. And I think that there are. Here's where I think the charges could work, Buck. I think there are documents. Maybe they're medical, maybe they are these, these signed the auto pin, which could be a significant aspect here. The guy not even signing his own pardons, all these different things where people were aware that Biden didn't have the mental and physical cognition to exercise the office. And so they started doing it themselves. And some people witnessed it. And I think if you ratchet the pressure up enough, you're going to get people who are turning on each other like rats off a ship and seeing who can get to the lifeboat first.
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Clay Travis
I'm just seeing, and this is what I was thinking about a moment ago or in our last segment, Clay, the way that a constant theme in the Trump era has been the Democrats accusing Trump and his supporters of doing what they themselves do, especially when it comes to legal infractions. Right. That this just happens over and over again. And one thing that I could see is they've expanded and they've put in the public lexicon. They've, they've made people think about collusion and conspiracy to deprive or defraud the American people of an election. And by doing so they've opened the door to, well, what does it mean if you are signing bills as the president and you're not the president? That sounds like conspiracy to defraud the American people of the executive branch of their government, which is a big deal and also sounds like it breaks the law to me. So this is why, again, this is not just about there's, there's the ethics of this, there's the politics of this and then there's also the legality of this which could become very interesting.
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Narrator
And remember, a lot of times people don't get caught on the initial misbehavior. It's the COVID up. Nixon ended up having to resign the presidency to a large extent, not because of what he necessarily did associated with Watergate, but because of the ham handed response that he provided as the Watergate investigation continued. And of course you get the very famous when did he know and what did he know and when did he know it? Which was a, I believe, Howard Baker question that was provided by his then counsel, Fred Thompson. Thompson ended up being a senator and Howard Baker was a senator from Tennessee. I think I got that right historically. But I think again, if you ratchet up the pressure primetime hearings using the precedent of January6, to your point, we pooh, poohed and ridiculed the idea of the Jan.6 hearings. I think it kept Democrats from getting completely snowed under in 2026. It wasn't for 2022.
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Clay Travis
They weren't, they weren't doing it for you, for me, for everybody who's with us here. They were doing it for that 1 or 2% of the swing electorate in those states. And they pulled it off, unfortunately.
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Narrator
And abortion, the Roe v. Wade decision being overturned I think in May of 22 certainly factored into. And it's already, I mean, if you asked me for a big prediction going forward, it's that abortion is not a major national political issue and that Democrats are slowly coming to grips with that. Because if you care desperately about abortion, go get active in your state because not a federal issue anymore. I think this is one that the Supreme Court got right, that a lot of the toxicity surrounding the abortion debate was based on the fact that nine Supreme Court justices decided what the law of the land was there. And now we got 50 state legislatures and whatever you want to advocate for in your respective state, go do it. That's the benefit of the political process. And so I do think in 2026, if you want Trump to maintain control of the House of Representatives, because otherwise they're going to impeach Trump, nothing's getting passed. It's why the first 18 months of the Trump presidency is so important, because while you have both controls of the Senate and the House, you have to be super active. Maybe you can hold on to the House if you persuade enough people. Man, these liars shouldn't be rewarded for the lies that they told. And I think that could be a potentially resonant story that moves voters in 2026. And in the meantime, I think it's an important historical record to demonstrate. Hey, we can't have, I don't know if you're up to date on the House of the Dragon, but we can't have our own. This happened a lot back in the day when when there were palace intrigue. We can't have basically a dead king and everybody trying to run around and run the kingdom pretending that the king is fine. It's the King Viserys situation in House of the Dragon, basically with Biden.
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Clay Travis
I like when you lean into your nerd side like that. You know you don't I am up on House of the Dragon. It got better.
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Narrator
I don't know what percentage of people watch House of the Dragon, but historically we got a dying, doddering king and all of his pronouncements are treated as as important for the kingdom, even though he has no idea what's going on. It's actually, sadly, a very common story about kings who got to rule for their entire lives. Inevitably, many of them became unable to do the job, but there was an entire palace apparatus around them that wanted to pretend they were still doing it. That was Biden. Problem is we've got a democratic republic and this shouldn't be allowed to happen here. And it did. And there should be consequences for it. Look, Prize Picks. It's been downloaded by more than 10 million sports fans. Next week I'm going to be down in Atlanta. Probably the only good thing that's going to come out of the Brave season is the Braves are hosting the All Star Game. I'm going to go to the Home Run Derby. Super excited for that. I'm going to go to the All Star Game. Super excited for that as well. And if you are going to be kicking back watching the Home Run Derby, maybe with your kids, maybe with your family, it's a lot of fun on Monday of next week. Tuesday is the All Star Game. Should be a lot of fun there. Can't wait to watch it. Get hooked up with Prize picks Right now you can play in Georgia, you can play in Texas, you can play in California and play in all over the country. If you put in $5, you get back $50 immediately. All you have to do is pick more or less. They're going to have really cool Home Run Derby setup games. They're going to have All Star games. And if you have a favorite major League Baseball team, now is the days of summer when there's not much else going on and you can dive right in to prize picks. Use code CLAY50 dollars instantly when you play. Win or lose, you get 50 bucks just for playing. Guaranteed. It's a lot of fun. You're gonna love it and you can play all over the country. Must be present in certain states. Visit price prizepix.com that's pricepix.com My name Clay Prize picks Run your game prizepix.com Code Clay Want to be in the know when you're on The Go the Team 47 podcast drop highlights from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, showing immense bravery and sacrifice and in the name of something much bigger than themselves.
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J.R. Martinez
This medal is for the men who went down that day.
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Narrator
It's for the families of those who didn't make it.
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Clay Travis
All right, welcome Back in here to Clay and Buck. Let's take a lot of your calls today. Let's take a lot of your talkbacks. Let's get you all into this conversation in real time. So in the next hour, we'll be diving into some of that. And so line them up now because we got kind of a quick turn here. I do want to talk about this story, Clay, because I think this is going to get, unfortunately, I think this is going to get worse. We're going to see more of this where you have radical leftists who are acting on, at least in part, the pronouncements of prominent Democrats that like, no, no real law enforcement officer would cover his face. Radical leftists are attacking and trying to kill. Yeah, attacking to kill. I'm not just talking about throwing bottles of urine. And, you know, that's just a Tuesday for the radical left is assaulting law enforcement. I mean, trying to assassinate law enforcement. This actually happened a couple of days ago, and I want to get into some of the specifics of that story. There's actually two incidents, major incidents of this. And as these enforcement operations from ICE are growing and gathering, I think you're going to see, unfortunately, this is a lot of where the radical left is going to consolidate their crazy and their violence. This is going to be their thing because they're telling themselves that ICE are members of the Gestapo and that. That and people like Mayor Karen Bass give a lot of oxygen to this madness by acting like these law enforcement officers can't. Anyway, I'm getting ahead of where we're going to go here in a second. I do want to get into that. All right, here we go. Podcast listener John, this is hh. Play it. Let's, let's, let's deal with this one. Click. Play it, team. Hey, Clay, we have h. Longtime listener, just heard your opening segment. I gotta tell you, none of this matters anymore. The midterms are cooked. Republicans are going to lose a lot more than the House if this Epstein stuff doesn't get cleared up. Unless there's trans. True transparency about Epstein. Everything else is just a, you know what show. Okay, okay. You know, it's funny because some of the audience just want to be clear, Clay. We're getting the heat from both sides there. You talk about the Epstein cover up thing too much and then you don't talk about it enough. So I don't know how we're supposed to make. Look, I think the, you know, I think the AG here on the PR side of things has made some missteps. Clay and I are of one mind on Director. Director Patel and Deputy Director Bongino are patriots who are doing what they can with what they have. And there will be more transparency on a whole range of issues. And I think, including this one, if needs be, or if there's more information that needs to come out, I would ask for patience and I would say don't despair, everybody, ok? Trump is kicking ass. The country's doing very well. I know this has been a big frustration this week. I feel that frustration. Clay feels that frustration. But there's. It's not a time for despair. There's more.
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Narrator
Look, I reiterate, Cash Patel and Dan Bongino think about this as we go to break. If they could serve up someone's head on a platter with the Epstein evidence that the FBI has, do you think they would not do it? They would love to be able to do that. The evidence is not there. Pam Bondi came out. I think Pam Bondi has not spoken adroitly in the way that she's addressed this. And I think she's confused a lot of people, honestly. But she said yesterday, maybe we need to play the audio. All of the evidence they have is just child porn that Epstein downloaded. This is important of other people, not him. Like it's just stuff on the Internet.
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Clay Travis
And, and there's a difference between the information they have to work with now doesn't support charges against other people. And there never was that information. A lot of it may have been destroyed.
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J.R. Martinez
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Narrator
The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, the unexpected, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.
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This medal is for the men who.
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J.R. Martinez
Went down that day.
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Narrator
On Medal of Honor Stories of Courage. You'll hear about these heroes and what their stories tell us about the nature of bravery. Listen to Medal of Honor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Buck Sexton
This is an iHeart podcast.