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Clay Travis
O U N D welcome everybody to the Tuesday, December 2nd edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. We are racked and stacked. First order of business, got to get to it right away just to get it on your radar because we do have, thanks to one of us being a born and raised Tennessee and in fact a Nashvillian more specifically, very important 7th congressional district in Tennessee, Afton Bain trying to get sneaky and take this seat away from the Republican Mr. Van Epps. And I think that we need to make sure that doesn't happen. My friends, you need to get out and devote. Today is election day. It is happening. Special election, special election. Do not be caught napping on this one. This is important because if nothing else, they will make fun of and antagonize our good friend Clay every day if he has basically the most left wing member of Congress in the United States Congress as his home Congress. It's not just Clay. You got a whole, basically the whole Daily Wire. Shapiro doesn't live there, but the rest of Daily Wire is there. Matt Walsh, I think is in the area.
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Buck Sexton
Right?
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Clay Travis
Doesn't Matt Walsh live roughly in your area?
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Buck Sexton
Matt Wal, Michael Knowles, my, our friend Riley Gaines, Tommy Aaron, Candace Owens.
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Clay Travis
So it's a lot.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, it's a lot.
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Clay Travis
This is like a, this is a hometown fight here for, for the seventh Congressional. And all of you who are listening need to get out and need to vote. Let's not give the Democrats something early to celebrate going into the term this morning.
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Buck Sexton
So I'm telling you to do exactly what I did. I dropped my son off at school and then I walked right into the precinct there and I voted. So I'm asking everybody in from the border of Kentucky to the border of Alabama, the seventh Congressional District. I even had a friend text me and say, hey, I thought that that was my district. I tried to go to my polling place. There was no race, there was no election. Okay, you did your part because this is a new, this is a new district in many ways and a lot of people are not aware of this race going on. So I went on with Sean Hannity last night. We've been talking about it like crazy on this program. I feel like I have done everything I can to help make people aware this race is happening and today is the last day to go vote.
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Clay Travis
So you got to get out there and vote. We, we've talked about the race. You've heard it. You know what's going on, you know, the issues here. Just going to be giving you reminders today during the show because of course, we are live here for three hours with you. It's a great time to be listening to Clay and Buck on your way to go vote in that district. So get out there and get it done. All right. Other things, the drug boat controversy and Venezuela, the Caribbean, unusual for it to be quite the scene of action that it is now. But the Caribbean and Venezuela and the drug trade are all very much in the headlines. Pete Hegsett, the Secretary of War, getting a lot of heat, a lot of criticism. No surprise for these strikes. And there's been some reporting that is now contested about a, a double tap, if you will, on one of these boats. I think it was the first boat strike, actually. We're going to discuss some of that and also the implications for Venezuela where it is now being said the President has given Maduro was it to Friday. It's already Tuesday. Friday Deadline Trump went on a truth posting bonanza last night. Posting Truths to truth social. We will get into some of those. The cabinet is meeting currently. We'll bring you the highlights of that. The Trump Cabinet, Caroline Levitt also had a fiery press conference yesterday. We'll bring you some of the best moments from that. Zoran Mamdani is being a crazy commie. Tom Homan is saying the Biden administration, it wasn't bad enough for them to let 10 million illegals flood the country. Clay. They also said, you know what, let's just take in all these Afghans and not vet them at all. Basically you raise your hand and say, hey, I did great things for America. You owe me. Ok, we'll take you. Hmm, not a good idea. Not a good idea. But let's talk first about the drug boat situation here, Clay. Now they're, they're making a thing of this and we've discussed this. They really have wanted to take Secretary Hegseth off of the chessboard from the very beginning. I think the media has gone after Trump. Would you co sign this one? In term two, Pete has been target number two after Trump. Trump's always target number one.
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Buck Sexton
I think that's accurate. I think Cash Patel has moved now number three, the, in the number three spot on the attack list. Um, and I think we've kind of stayed in that range. I think there would be probably a big drop off. I mean, Iwan obviously was not in the Cabinet, but he was probably the most attacked in the first six months or so of Trump. But in the Cabinet, I think Hegseth's 1. I think that then Cash Patel is 2. And I would you agree with me, there's a huge drop off after those two. I, I don't even know who the third biggest target would be. It's been like just kind of alternating between Hegseth and. And with Cash.
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Clay Travis
They have been trying to go after David Sachs as well lately, the crypto and AI Czar, who we would like to get on this program soon to talk about what he's doing. But he's a very savvy cat and has been not only able to defend himself very effectively without having to do very much because a lot of the stuff that they're saying is just not true. Other people have been coming to his defense as well, saying he's in this position of he has so much money, money has very little meaning for him. He actually thinks that he's helping the country and that's why he's in this special advisory role, special employee to the administration. But we can get more into that too. But they want it. They want Hagseth out. They want to be able to show the Democrat base, hey, we can still call the shots in the media. We can still get a scalp, so to speak. And so this is where we're talking about, not just the boat strikes, which I'm going to tell you right now, Clay, they're going to impeach Trump over this if they win the House. All right. Do you have any doubt whatsoever about this?
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Buck Sexton
I don't know that it'll be over this specifically. They're going to impeach him probably over whatever. I mean, they're going to find something to impeach him over. We agree 100% that they will impeach him for a third time for if they win the House.
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Clay Travis
I think this is, I think this is top of the list. And that's why they're so dug in on this. I believe that they're going to try to make the case that, that these are war crimes. That's exact. And they're already saying it. So it's. That's not a stretch at all. But they also want to use it to have it as a cudgel to force Secretary of War Hegseth out of office. Here is, I mean, for example, for example, here is former Deputy Assistant AG this is cut 8. John. Wait, before we play the cut. So the claim, Clay, so we're clear on this, is that Pete, we'll just call him Pete sometimes. We know him, oversaw and was watching in real time A strike on the first of these boats and that they hit the boat. You know, JSOC blew this boat up. And then there was wreckage. There was, you know, pieces of it. And there were a couple of guys who were clinging to the wreckage. And then the order, the informative order was given to send a second missile strike to kill the guys who were clinging to the wreckage. That's the claim. This is disputed. Here is, though, what's being said by people in the media now about this play 8.
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Pete Hegseth
If you look at the US law of war manual, which is the definitive interpretation of the way we fight the laws of armed conflict for the United States, it says clearly that you are not allowed to give orders that say no survivors. Commanders are not to allowed to give or say no quarter. And so HEF can't give that command legally. Also, again, there are gray areas, but one gray area, that one area that's not gray, that's clear is you can't fire on the wounded. You can't kill survivors who can no longer fight. So the Admiral should not have obeyed the order that Secretary Hegseth gave. And even the soldiers who carried out the Admiral's orders should not have obeyed Clay.
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Clay Travis
Lawyer Clay, work us through this a bit.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, so, lawyer Clay, let me first say I obviously don't have firsthand knowledge, but if I were making a case here, there are several angles that I think would be in play. Let me start with defending the decision. If this were what happened from them, I think they can say this wasn't a second strike to kill survivors. The boat was still operable, and we were concerned that we hadn't fulfilled the original mission. Right. You can hit a boat or a vehicle multiple times. If you do not believe you have actually rendered it to be inoperable. In other words, I think there's probably a defense that, hey, the first strike did not do the complete damage that was necessary. We did a second strike on top of it. I also think that there is potentially an issue here where if there are prisoners taken, then there is going to be a legal challenge to whether the President has the authority to undertake these actions. And do we then have an obligation to go rescue the survivors? All these other different things, I think that could be in play. But again, what are the facts? What were the exact orders? What was the intent of the order? Remember, there are all sorts of issues out there where we have an attack that is ordered and it's the wrong attack. Right? We talked about this on the program before in Afghanistan, we killed an innocent family we thought the guy was a terrorist. That obviously got a decent amount of attention. So there are errors of interpretation that occur on these strikes too. I think it's very hard to know direct intent. Right?
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Clay Travis
Well, we have to know the facts here. The facts are not agreed upon. And I would say one thing that has been established for a long time by the Obama administration, among others, but the Obama administration really accelerated. It was the signature drone strikes where they would hit a target based upon a series of factors that were not 100% and clearly not because they did blow up women and children sometimes. And this was going on in Pakistan, a country with which we were not actually at war and a country that we were pretending publicly, at least for a long time in the Obama years. Oh, no, we're not doing drone strikes there. That's classified. The New York Times was writing front page stories about it. But the Obama administration, Clay, to avoid dealing with it in public, would just say that there's, you know, it's classified. We're not talking about that. That was accepted by all of the people who currently are sitting around angry at the Trump administration or supposedly angry at the Trump administration for what's going on here. So we do know that there are civilian casualties from strikes that are based on presidential authority. That does happen. But as you pointed out, it is accidental here. It would be to the point made by John, you now, John, you. Why do they have John, you making the rounds? Everybody, a little bit of history. If we all recall 20 years back or so, he was the so called torture memo guy under the Bush administration. So he was tied to enhanced interrogation techniques. So what you have now is the media having former Deputy Attorney General John U. Under Bush, a Republican, saying if you give an order for no survivors, that's a war crime. And this is from the guy who was like, we got to waterboard people sometimes you got to do what you got to do.
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Buck Sexton
And again, all of this comes in rising tension with Venezuela. Again, we should mention also there's a cabinet meeting going on right now. Trump is taking questions. We're monitoring it in real time, as you said off the top. The biggest part of this story is there is a report that Trump has given Maduro and his family until Friday to vacate the country or potentially we are going to take him out and install a more democratic government in Venezuela, which tons of people have a lot of opinions on. I said yesterday on the program I stand by it. I think that this can be akin to the strikes that happened in Iran in that they are Very strategic and ultimately beneficial for the overall country. And we have tons of you out there that are Venezuelan. I mean, Buck lives in Miami, which is filled with tons of Venezuelan refugees. As we said yesterday on the program, Venezuela has the largest deposit of oil certainly in the Western hemisphere and used to be a thriving country that was very, very successful before the Maduro and that regime came into power.
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Clay Travis
Third richest country in the world after the United States and Canada per capita at one point in recent memory. So yeah, Venezuela should be doing great. It's not turns out that communism ruins everything. Guys, who could have known? Well, anybody who pays attention to history. We'll talk more about this though, because I know on the one hand we hate commies. On the other hand, we also hate regime change and rebuilding operations for other countries. And there are people that are concerned that that may be something that we face here sooner than later when it comes to Venezuela. We'll discuss, want to hear from you as well. Also, if we have any Venezuelan refugees or Venezuelan Americans. Clay listening right now. If you want to weigh in on this one, I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts on should we topple Maduro? Should we just keep the pressure on? How involved should we be? What do you think is going to happen here?
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Buck Sexton
No doubt.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
Travis Buck SEXTON show We're gonna pull the audio because Secretary of War Pete Hegson. Seth was just talking about these attacks that have occurred on Venezuelan boats. Let me read you this quote. They're not talking about that right now. It appears the Ludnick Lutnick is talking right now. I'm watching the press conference is be the cabinet meeting is being carried live right now in on Fox News. Here is what the press secretary for the Department of War just said. Buck at the end of the day, the secretary this is Kingsley Cortez. At the end of the day, the secretary and the president are the ones directing these strikes. Any follow on strikes like those that were directed by Admiral Bradley. The secretary a hundred percent agrees with. Secretary's been very clear in every statement we've released about these strikes. They're presidentially directed chain of command functions as it should. We make sure commanders on the ground, their positions are taken into account. They're able to tell us, make decisions if they see things that need to be flagged. But at the end of the day, secretary and the president are the ones directing these strikes. Any follow on strikes like those which were directed by Admiral Bradley. The Secretary 100% agrees with that is a full quote shared by Mary Margaret Olahan, who works for the Daily Wire at the White House. And that is from the Department of War's press secretary Kingsley Cortez. So Buck, we will talk about a bit more about this when we come back and we'll try to get that audio of Secretary of War Hegseth addressing that directly, which just happened in the last couple of minutes. But we want to tell you if you are out there and you want to make your home safer, if you want to protect your family, if you want your kids as they are out and about traveling, if you want them to be safe, if you want them to have pepper spray in their vehicles on their keychains, everybody out there you should go check out today. Sabre, they will hook your family up, your friends up. They've been manufacturing great products to help make you safer for half a century. Several generations of family. Now they have a home defense projectile pepper spray launcher, ultimate choice for protection, small enough to hold in one hand, fires off a projectile full of pepper spray to slow down an intruder or attacker. You can get hooked up right now. They also create a six foot pepper cloud around them. Go to saberradio.com and you get 15% off at the website today. That's S A b r e radio.com 844-824 safe saberradio.com 844-824 Safe all right.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. A lot of news happening in real time here and we are monitoring, we are bringing it to you. There's a cabinet meeting underway right now. You got Trump, Hegseth Duffy, you got Lutnick. I mean, you've got all these different top officials of the Trump administration who are weighing in on a whole range of things. But we were just talking about these strikes on these lethal strikes on narco terrorist boats in the Caribbean. Secretary of War Hegseth addressed this just a moment ago. We wanted to let you hear from him. What's going on. Play 33.
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Pete Hegseth
And then it's getting after going after narco terrorists and designated terrorist organizations in our own hemisphere, as I've said, I'll say again, we've only just begun striking narco boats and putting narco terrorists at the bottom of the ocean because they've been poisoning the American people. And Joe Biden tried to approach it with kid gloves and allowed them to come across the border. Cartels take over community. 20 million people, hundreds of thousands of Americans poisoned. And President Trump said, no, we're taking the gloves off. We're taking the fight to these designated terror organizations. And it's exactly what we're doing. So we're stopping the drugs, we're striking the boats, we're defeating narco terrorists. And we're standing, you may say one thing, that drugs coming in through the sea by sea are down 91%.
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Clay Travis
And I don't know who the 9% is.
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Pete Hegseth
I'm not sure either, sir, but down 91% by sea. We've had a bit of a pause because it's hard to find boats to strike right now, which is the entire point.
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Buck Sexton
Right.
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Pete Hegseth
Deterrence has to matter, not arrest and hand over and then do it again. The rinse and and repeat approach of previous administrations. This is meant to get after that approach. And I will just end by saying, as President Trump always has our back we always have the back of our commanders who are making decisions in difficult situations than we do in this case. And all these strikes, they're making judgment calls and ensuring that they defend the American people. They've done the right things. We'll keep doing that. And we have their backs.
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Clay Travis
Mr. President, good job.
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Clay Travis
So, Clay, that's the latest that was just moments ago from Secretary Warheadset at this, at this cabinet meeting that they're holding. And I would just say, first of all, isn't it amazing when you just compare this. This is a little bit of a side note, but the transparency, the willingness to face the media, to discuss directly with the American people what's going on in this administration, compared to. Imagine if it was just a random Tuesday and Joe Biden had all of his top people around, unscripted, just taking questions from the press play, it would not have happened, as we all know. And we all know why. He had dementia. They were hiding him. The whole thing was a scam. The whole Biden administration was a scam, unfortunately, a scam on all the American people. And the stuff that's gone on with the border, as well as the mass importation of fentanyl, was hugely and dramatically worsened by the Biden scam. But, Clay, right now, you know, there's a lot of different polling on this and you could try to. The way they craft these questions. I think by and large, Republicans are supportive of strikes on narco terrorist votes. Democrats obviously are not. That's not a surprise at all. And they're hoping that they can find a way to create a wedge within Trump supporters on this issue. I don't think that's going to happen. I think the regime change issue in Venezuela is where things get a little stickier for maga.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, I think that's all connected. I do wonder again if this is on video. They are going to continue to kind of chip away at the overall story. And I would imagine we've seen a lot of the video attacks released on the ships. My surmisal would be that the story will become the boat was still operable. There were, there was a possibility that the drugs would continue to be, you know, conduited on that boat. And so we ordered a second strike to end the, the feasibility of the boat's ability to do the job that it's trying to do. That's my bet as to what the story is going to be. In other words, they're going to say the, the physical structure itself was targeted for a second strike, not the potential survivors. But I, I do think this is going to turn into a, I do think it's going to turn a story. Now, this also, I think, goes on some level to who Democrats are going to bat for. Remember our good buddy Kilmar Abreu Garcia, who they initially attempted to make the face of Trump's deportation policy? Maryland dad, Kilmar Abreu Garcia? That story has vanished because I think they recognized that, yeah, this is not really the focal point of a, a face to make people disagree with the policy. I don't think narco terrorists in boats are going to be particularly sympathetic plaintiffs. And when I use that for a sympathetic plaintiffs, anybody out there who is a defense attorney has experienced this. When you file a lawsuit, you want to tell the best story of your lawsuit. Frequently involving moms. You know, ever notice how kids who file lawsuits are always honor roll students? You know, like, oh, this poor honor roll student was just disrespected. And in a visual era, isn't it amazing how often pretty girls are. You were talking about this. This NYU student who became a victim was attacked on the streets in New York City. It's become a story, these captivating stories, because they're young, innocent, attractive people. They grab attention in a way that is, that is, that is captivating to many different people out there in the media. I mean, you can say, remember the Idaho killers, those young innocent kids.
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Clay Travis
Moscow, or Moscow, rather Moscow, Idaho, outside.
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Buck Sexton
Of the University of Idaho Lake and Riley. I think one reason that it cuts through the noise. She's a young, innocent college nursing student who is murdered by an illegal immigrant. I think that it's hard to make people think, you know, I'm really concerned about narco terrorist. So I think the challenge cutting through this noise is. And it goes both ways, right, when you come to these stories, because right now they're trying to make a story, oh, look at this 19 year old college student who was deported. Oh, she. Can you believe this is happening? They're trying to find a story that is captivating young innocent people. Most people, I don't think, see narco boat captain pilots and their staff that are trying to smuggle drugs into the country as particularly sympathetic plaintiffs. So I think that factors in here into how the media is going to be able to cover it.
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Clay Travis
I'm sure the administration is more than a little bit aware of this. But to your point, Clay, about the public's perception of these strikes and how they're going, as long as we're getting narco terrorists, I think the Administrator. And we're certain of this. I think the administration is going to certainly have support of a lot of Republicans in this. They just got to make sure they don't pull a Biden administration with what we saw in Afghanistan where they blew up, if I remember, a dad and seven kids in a car that they said was a suicide bomber's vehicle and it was not seven children they blew up. And that was after we lost Marines because of the haphazard and disastrous withdrawal of the Biden administration. So we took losses. We lost our Marines to enemy, to an enemy attack, and then we blew up a car full of children because the Biden administration was so frantic to look like they had some idea of what they were doing in response to us losing some of our Marines in that earlier suicide bomber attack. So this is, this look, this is, we're talking about a war on narco terrorists. This is high stakes stuff. And I know that Secretary Warheckset is very focused in on this right now. It's clearly a political or rather the Democrats see this as a political opportunity to go after this administration. A lot of people weighing in on this one, Clay. I mean, here's Senator Chris Coons, Democrat, obviously, who's trying to use this as an attack play. Cut five. This incident that was just covered by the Washington Post in recent days suggests.
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Buck Sexton
That a war crime may have been committed. And I think Secretary Hegseth likely gave the order. I know Admiral Bradley.
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Clay Travis
He's the SOCOM commander. He came up through the ranks. He is decorated, he's experienced, he's seasoned. He was one of the first Americans into Afghanistan after 9 11. I'd be very surprised if he did this on his own without direct support or a command from the secretary. And why it's worth, I think people hearing that it's just Clay, this is all about getting Hegseth. Yeah, this is a, this is a get Hegseth operation for the Democrats in the media now.
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Buck Sexton
Well, look, the intent is not to, is not to make the country better. The intent is to get Hegseth. And I think that's the key here that we hit on to start the show. Hexseth is target one. Target two right now is Cash Patel. And they have decided to focus all of their media attacks on that duo. And frankly, most everybody else has been either ignored or unscathed. You know, they tried probably Pam Bondi, I would say Buck is probably third on that list. We were talking about the target list, but I would say to a large extent, the Pam Bondi Attacks actually a lot of them came from the right because of the ham handed way they initially handled the Epstein when they brought the influencers out and they had the briefing and the Epstein files and everything else. So some of that fire on Bondi came internally from the Republican Party. I think she's probably third on the list of, of cabinet member attacks. But clearly Hegseth from the moment he was nominated has been Target 1 and Cash Patel right now I think is Target 2.
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Clay Travis
I will tell you that Democrats from what I understand Clay, one of the reasons Bondi is not higher on their list is they don't view her as, as effective as some of these other. I'm just, this is from a Democrat perspective. They know that Pete can't handle the media isn't going to back down aligned with Trump. They know that Cash aligned with Trump you know isn't going to back down from media pressure and is trying reform, reform agenda there. I will say we do need to establish though if we're going to have people from administration speaking on this issue. Ok, is it that the boat was still. We need the facts to be clear.
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Buck Sexton
That's my argument.
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Clay Travis
We need to be clear.
- [35:16]
Buck Sexton
That's because that's my argument.
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Clay Travis
I do think you have a very hard time if you're, if the argument is that this is a lethal threat against the United States because they're designated narco terrorists in a boat traveling to the US with Fentol that's going to kill people. Ok that's the argument. They're operating under presidential authority. Once the boat is disabled there is no longer any chance of those drugs making it to the homeland. And they're, and these men are not in the fight, they are bobbing around in the water. I, I do not think you can follow up with finish them off. I do not think that that is covered under the laws of war, the Geneva Conventions or ethics. So there just needs to be clarity. Cuz I'm seeing people say yeah if we have to hit them again, we hit them again. Uh, I think that's wrong. And if you, if you wanna check how this went in World War II, the Nazis infamously the U boat commanders would machine gun survivors including people in the US Navy, British Navy would machine gun them in the water. They were brought up on war crimes for that. They were not able to say well you could still swim and maybe make it to shore and then you could get back in the fight. So we do need to have some clarity on where the limits are here.
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Buck Sexton
Which is why my argument Is boat is the target? If I, if I am lawyer Clay, who is representing these individuals in a, in an investigation and look again, this is where I come back to what is on tape, what is on audio, what evidence is out there. We haven't seen it fully at least.
- [36:44]
Clay Travis
Did you jump on your, on your, on your lawyer Clay point there? You know Clay, from self defense perspective and someone who conceal carries here and does a fair amount of shooting and spends time with the two way community in South Florida, you always say stop the threat. You say when you call in if you have to defend yourself with a firearm, you say I'm the victim of a crime. You know, here's my address. Come. You do not say, yeah, some guy came in, I shot him and then he was making his way out of my house so I chased him on the front lawn and I put two in the back of his head. You're going to prison for a long time if you do that, as you should. Yeah, that's, you know what I mean? There's, there's a difference. There are limits.
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Buck Sexton
I kicked his, I kicked his gun away and then I put my gun up against his head and killed him. Like that's not, you know, at some point when you eliminate the threat, you're not allowed to continue to pour more.
- [37:34]
Clay Travis
So I'm just going to say this. The facts to what Clay was saying, the facts are now, or rather the facts that are being put forward are, you know, they did not do a follow up strike to finish survivors off. That order was not given. This is what the Pentagon is saying. That order was not given and the boat may still have been, you know, capable of continuing. That's why the second strike came. That all you could argue, I think legally, I do not think we want to hear people from the pro Trump side of things saying there were a couple of guys who had already been hit with a missile who were in the middle of the ocean or middle of the Caribbean clinging to refuse and we hit him again, by the way. I don't believe that that happened here. I think this is a hit piece. I just want to be clear. But there are people who are trying to say that that would be lawful too just because they're on the team, so to speak. And I do not think that's a good place to go because you're opening yourself up to the other side saying you're, you're defense, you would, you would. Even if a war crime wasn't committed, Clay, we can, which I don't believe it was to be clear. We cannot have pro Trump people argue in favor of a clear war crime. That's not a good idea either, right? Which is why clarity on this, I think is so important. The price of silver as well as the price of gold has grown more than the price of nearly every investment opportunity you can find out there. It's crazy. Gold up more than 60% this calendar year. Silver has grown even more over the past year. There's a lot of reasons for this instability. Money printing 40 trillion in debt Birch Gold Group wants you to get in on this. The long term thesis for owning gold and silver makes sense. It continues to make sense and you want to take action now. The long term value of precious metals is likely to continue growing for the foreseeable future. That's why for every $5,000 you purchase in gold between now and December 22nd, Birch Gold will send you an ounce of silver. Diversify. Let Birch Gold Group help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA in physical gold. And for every $5,000 you buy, you'll get an ounce of silver. Text My Name Buck to 98.98.98 to claim your eligibility for this offer. Text Buck to 989898 Birch Gold's free silver with qualifying purchase promotion ends on December 22nd. Get it going today. Text B U C K to 989898.
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Buck Sexton
Clay Travis Buck Sexton show we're going to take a bunch of calls on this because a lot of you have a variety of takes. Bobby in Maine up to first says he was in military intelligence. What's your take on the Venezuelan boat strike story?
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Bobby Charles
So Clay and Buck, here's the bottom line. This is Bobby Charles. I was in charge of all counter narcotics in 030405 as the assistant secretary of state. Also 10 years naval intelligence and an attorney. The bottom line is what they are doing is well within the law. Number one, and I think Clay, you probably or both of you know this, there is a legal opinion somewhere justifying exactly what they're doing. Number two, there would be no finish off order. Hegseth was in the military. He knows very well you can't do that. But here are the two facts people don't know the United States government has long supported shoot down policies by foreign countries, including Peru, in which we shot down any plane that we had cued intelligence for or we allowed them to shoot down the plane if it was known to be carrying narcotics and avoiding, avoiding interception. The second thing is in our littoral waters legally. All of our we have Coast Guard Blackhawks up there, Jayhawks that are fully armed and they have a sniper with a sling in the open door in order to shoot out the engines of these boats. So point number one, the law, they are well within the law when they take an enemy combatant designated as a foreign terrorist organization that does not stop. They have cute intelligence. They know they can hit it.
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Buck Sexton
They hit it.
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Bobby Charles
They would be outside the law if they did a finish off order for survivors. I guarantee you they did not do that.
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Clay Travis
So can I just say I think that you were you're saying, sir, you have deep expertise in this. That's what I think. We're all in agreement here. That's that we're, we think it's lawful to do the strikes, but it wouldn't be lawful to do a finish off order if the guys are floating in the water.
- [44:18]
Bobby Charles
So Hegseth was a military officer. He knows very well what the orders are. He knows the UCMJ probably inside out.
- [44:28]
Clay Travis
Right. And I don't think he gave that order. So again, I think we're all keep him, keep him. Let's keep talking to this guy.
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Buck Sexton
We'll keep the conversation going.
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