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Buck Sexton
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Clay Travis
Welcome in Friday Edition. Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Congratulations. You made it to Friday. You're about to be able to roll into the weekend and we are going to have some fun with all of you. Let me give you a little bit of an idea where we're headed. Marty McCary, who is now the head of the FDA, will be with us at the top of the next hour. He has obviously been doing a ton of things and was right on everything. Covid one of the few doctors who was. And I do think that slid a little bit under the radar given all the other appointments. But the Trump team has been zealous when it comes to promoting people who did not favor lockdowns and all of the COVID related insanity that took over our country about five years ago. So Dr. Marty Makary, head of the FDA will be with us top of the next hour. Top of the third hour. That is the final hour of the week. We will talk with Nicole Parker, former FBI agent. She was listening to the show and she was reacting to a lot of the Epstein revelation. She was working in South Florida when really I think Buck and we'll talk with this some about her, but she was texting us. The initial investigation that took place with Acosta and led to a sweetheart prosecution deal and resolution of the charges in South Florida to me is probably the part of the Epstein story that still deserves to be the most examined. So we will talk with her about that in the third hour. But I wanted to open up and we'll talk about the ICE raid that happened in California and the discovery of underage children that were being used to work there and some of the dark seedy underbelly of the illegal immigrant experience. But I wanted to begin with this because on Sunday will be officially the one year anniversary of the near assassination of Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. And they came out with news yesterday, I believe that six different Secret Service officers had been disciplined for the failures. I think it's fair to say basically all systems failure that occurred in Butler, Pennsylvania almost one year ago today. It was a Saturday for those of you who remember. And Monday was the first day of the Republican National Convention from Milwaukee. And Trump came within a quarter inch of having his head blown off on live television. And we talked with Selena, Selena Zito. Zito, who's got her book out about Butler, Pennsylvania. I've been reading about that. We talked with her earlier this week. And the extent to which that is an historic event I think is going to continue to echo and reverberate. But Trump is talking about that with special interviews that he is doing, including with his daughter in law, Lara Trump. And we have a cut from that that we would like to play for all of you because it is only by the grace of God. If you think about where we were one year ago today and how different this country would look if that assassination attempt had been successful, here is Trump talking about that with Laura Cutler.
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Donald Trump
Well, it was unforgettable and know exactly what was going on. I got whacked, there's no question about that. And fortunately got down quickly and people were screaming and I got down quickly, fortunately, because I think they shot eight bullets and one got me and one got another one and one got another one and one killed. Corey the firefighter, great guy. You know, we had a tremendous massive crowd. Tens of thousands of people were there and the our sniper within less than 5 seconds was able to get him from a long distance with one shot. If he didn't do that, you would have had an even worse situation.
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Clay Travis
And I do think Buck, sometimes you get lost, all of us do in the day to day 24 hour news cycle. And the question is what is this going to still matter in a day? Is this going to still matter in two days? A prediction this day, July 13 and what happened on that day and President Trump's response on that day I think won him the election. People forget that Elon Musk voted against Trump in 2016. He voted for Hillary Clinton. He voted for Joe Biden in 2020. It wasn't until July 13, 2024. And I saw one of your tweets about this when Elon Musk got off the bench and suddenly said for the first time I'm with Trump and people out there listening to us right now. Some of you voted Trump in 16, some of you voted Trump in 2020, some of you voted Trump in 24.
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Buck Sexton
Almost all of them Clay, almost all of them voted Trump in 16, 20 and 24.
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Clay Travis
But yes, I'm not sure 89% in the primary in 16 like people came on the Trump train.
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Buck Sexton
I'm talking general election.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, people came on the Trump train at different times. Elon Musk was one of the last joiners of the Trump train. And Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, guys who would otherwise been, I would say opposed to Trump. Quite, quite honestly saw that video and I think it changed something. I really do for American men, I think that when I know a lot of women too. But for American men, I think that was such a Badass moment that it fundamentally altered the trajectory of the nation in a way few events do.
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Buck Sexton
Well, think about. If you were to do a historical what if and a list of the biggest historical what ifs. I think it was a long time ago. Winston Churchill did a whole what if. This would be right up your alley, Clay. Historically speaking, what if General Lee had won at Gettysburg, Right. What would America and the world have looked like had the south actually won that war? Now, that's a very big what if insofar as it would have been a whole battle going in a different trajectory. This is a historical what if. What happened in Butler, Pennsylvania, that was truly a matter of, you could just say an inch, one inch different in that projectile and we're living in a different America right now. One inch different in that five, five, six rounds trajectory and you would have had. I can't, I can't recall. Has there ever been and. Sorry, this is just something I haven't thought about. So there might be an obvious answer. A presidential assassination of a. Sorry, a presidential assassination in this country during the campaign. I know there have been assassinations, obviously.
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Clay Travis
In McKinley, RFK, RFK, RFK, 1968. But to your point, RFK had not yet become the Democrat nominee. It looked like he was going to be the nominee.
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Buck Sexton
Well, so he wasn't actually the nominee necessarily. Trump.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, right. Trump had the nomination locked up and again, remember, he was going to accept it the next week in.
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Buck Sexton
Well, this is what I mean, because now you're, now you're talking about a historical situation where, God forbid, and as we know, Trump is fine. And it was all he was. Okay. It was a terrible day, not just for the country politically and psychologically, but, you know, Corey, Contemporary, pardon me, on last name. I'm not able to say it, but the guy who got killed that day. Competori. Is that.
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Clay Travis
Am I saying I think that's right?
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Buck Sexton
Yeah. But, you know, he lost his life that day to that shooter. And you sit here and you say how different things would have been because you would have had a country that wouldn't have accepted the eventual result based on the fact that our candidate would have been stolen from us by a bullet, you know, and it's even, it's. That would have been even more of a psychic shock than, as you said, rfk. Ok, that's in a primary. But was he going to be the candidate or not? Obviously a terrible situation, a political assassination. And Trump isn't just, wasn't just the candidate. Trump is a political movement unto himself. Who has reshaped the Republican party in the 21st century. The most consequential president probably of our lifetime. You'd certainly have to go back to Reagan or maybe you could say Obama's consequential in destroying the country. But that would have been an enormous change in the world and certainly in the America that we live in today. And I remember we were at the, we were at the rnc. There was a feeling of surrealism with. So we're just going to have this RNC now and process the fact that we almost lost our guy, we almost lost our president.
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Clay Travis
I think they're both short and long term implications that are difficult to even comprehend. And I think it's important to go back and think how fortunate we all are with the way that turned out. A couple of things here. One, Trump had not picked J.D. vance. So it's not only just that he would have been killed. They would have. The RNC chair said they would have canceled the rnc. So it would. No one would have gone to Milwaukee. There would have been a prolonged period of mourning of some sort. There also would have been a lot of glee, sadly on the left that somebody killed Trump.
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Buck Sexton
Horrifically. Yes.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, there, there would have been had to be a new individual selected as the nominee. And remember, there would not have been a VP selection at that point in time. Uh, and Honestly, one reason J.D. vance got picked I think was because Trump wanted somebody who was stiff in the spine MAGA in the event that somebody else killed him, which doesn't get talked about very much. Here's the other thing, Buck. We still know nothing about the assassin.
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Buck Sexton
I know the shooter.
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Clay Travis
I know nobody is would be assassin. Nobody would have ever believed. And for the next, for the rest of everyone listening's life and for the next 200 years, much like with JFK's assassination, people would have said this wasn't a lone gunman. There's no way this ended up happening. The fix was in. The government killed Trump. Here's the other question. Does Biden still run? Do they elevate Kamala? If the Republicans are scrambling to try to find a new candidate, who is that candidate? I think it would have been Ron DeSantis. That's my analysis of the tea leaves. But it would have been a huge mess the likes of which the country would never have recovered from, to say nothing. Buck, think about this. What about the President getting his head blown off on live television and the psychic trauma that that creates for hundreds of millions of people seeing that happen?
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Buck Sexton
You couldn't have had a fair election afterwards.
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Clay Travis
Correct.
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Buck Sexton
There's no such thing as a fair election when you have somebody like Trump who is a former president, who is the leader of his party and as I said, is a one man political movement who has reshaped the landscape politically of this country already against some other candidate. Like, there's no, there's no way that you would be able to convince Trump voters in the event that that terrible thing had, had happened, in the event that it had been an assassination, that this election is legit. And then what does that do to the country? Right. How do you go forward when there's a very real sense that a fair election was completely stolen from the country, but through violence, mind you, through, through the worst kind of violence politically. So, you know, this is one thing, and I want to give, I think it was Fisher King, who is a Twitter account. Do you follow Fisher King? I don't even know who this guy is. He's a very, he's got a very interesting account on X. Very, you know, a lot of, you know, I'm not endorsing everything he's written. I'm just saying the guy writes some, some good, some smart stuff. And while people have been very upset recently and I understand and I don't want to get into it right now, and I do agree that there are a lot of problems and unanswered questions and there's whiplash and all this, People have been so upset about Epstein. Kamala could have won that election, everybody. And then we'd be in a country. And he pointed this out on X, which is what's making me think of this. We're just talking about in the context of what if that assassination attempt had been successful. But just even think about how different the country would be if just the election result had gone in a different direction. We're now sitting here, and rightly so, pushing Trump for the best possible decisions and the most transparency and all of that we can get. We could be in a situation where, where all the stuff that we've already seen in six months was going in the other direction, where the border was still wide open. Where. I mean, just go down the list.
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Clay Travis
Well, I mean, that's why I woke up this morning and I saw that interview and I just was thinking how profoundly grateful all of us should be. And I hope you take a moment to just think about it. What would have happened if that bullet had been one quarter inch closer to Trump and had killed him on that day? We're in an incredible place right now. I think as a country doesn't mean everything's perfect, doesn't mean you're going to agree with everything that's being done. There's always room for improvement, all of that. But I think a lot of times in the day to day, we don't pause and think, hey, let's just look back a year, man, what an incredible year that has been and how grateful for those of us who are out there listening, we all should be compared to where we could be.
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Buck Sexton
I will just say catastrophism and negativity. The always the easy way. It's always the easy way to get attention. Always the easy way to bring people into your sphere of influence. Oh, everything is falling apart. All, everything is terrible. We have challenges. There's some stuff that needs to be fixed. We're focused on that. We, you know, we want accountability, we want more wins. We are not tired of winning. But the mood of the country overall right now, and this is where I think, Clay, we bring it all full circle. The mood of the country one year from where we were possibly on that day in Butler should be one of tremendous thanks to God and tremendous blessings for America that we are receiving. And I know it's imperfect and it always will be. And I understand there's a particular amount of frustration right now, but could have been a lot worse. Everybody. And you know, that's not, you know, that's not some what about ism. It almost was. It was one inch away from being a very different country in a much, much darker place than we ever could have imagined. So we are allowed to feel blessed. And I thought this Fourth of July, I think there was, there were a lot of people who truly were celebrating on Independence Day weekend because the country's in a good spot right now overall. It is. I know people can yell at me. It actually is in a good place right now relative to what could have been and relative to what the options were. We're seeing some really positive developments happen and you should take stock of that as well. Otherwise you just exhaust yourself with the, with the constant sense that nothing changes. It's all unit, it's all uni party. It all falls apart. Everything is screwed. No, that's never, that's never the way forward. So, you know, if there's too much optimism on this show, well, that's the way it's going to be sometimes when it comes to cell phone service, I want you to be optimistic, too. Pure Talk has defined cost effective monthly service for the industry. You can get unlimited talk, text and Enough data coverage to keep you online all month for just $25 a month. That's less than half the price of Verizon, AT&T or T Mobile, and the service is the same. So how does PureTalk do it? Well, PureTalk uses the same 5G network on the same 5G towers as one of those three companies. So you get the same quality of service at a fraction of the price. And with Pure Talk, you can keep your phone and your number from your cell phone. Dial pound250, say Clay and Buck, and you'll save an additional 50% off your first month. You can literally switch over to Pure Talk in about 10 minutes. Dial £250, say the keywords Clay and Buck. Switch to Pure Talk Wireless by Americans for Americans.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
Oh, boy. You know how I was just talking about optimism and how things are okay in the country? That's true. There are still some things where there's a lot of tension, of course. And Axios with the scoop here. Clay on the clear feeling that there was a. There has been a blunder at a minimum. A blunder, some people say worse than a blunder. That's. That's. We'll put that aside for now. Uh, this whole Epstein file release thing is a mess and has overshadowed a lot else, a lot else that was going on this week as we've discussed. And now it's. You know, Clay, you, you should bring us into the details of this Axios piece here that just went over the, went over the transom moments ago because it's looking like this is the apart. This is the part of the Apprentice where someone gets told, you're fired.
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Clay Travis
When we come back again, this, this dropped in the last 10 minutes. Axios reporting that there was a super heated meeting between Dan Bongino, Cash Patel and AG Pam Bondi in the White House. Very small group but very high level meeting. And things got incredibly heated over who's to blame for communication related issues surrounding the Epstein investigation. We will bring you all of those details and we come back, we'll try to analyze it from perspective based on things we know. But I think to Buck's point, we're at the finger pointing aspect of the Epstein investigation.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Okay, welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton SHOW breaking news from Axios. And I'm going to lay this out. Buck and I will tell you what we think and analyze this and I'm going to read from some of this report. And this has to do with the fallout of the Epstein investigation. And the headline is FBI's Dan Bongino clashes with AG Bondi over handling of Epstein files. And I'm going to read the opening paragraph. FBI Director Deputy Director Dan Bongino took a day off from work Friday after clashing at the White House with Attorney General Pam Bondi over the handling of the Epstein files. Four sources familiar with the conflict told Axios. Um, Bongino didn't come back to work Friday, leading some insiders to believe he'd quit. But administration officials say he's still on the job even as the internal tension over the Epstein case continues. At the center of the argument basically is how has the communication of the Epstein investigation and this is now me talking, not the Axio story, how has the communication surrounding the Epstein case investigation been handled internally, both from the Attorney General Pam Bondi in her office and from the FBI. And Buck, you tell me if you would agree. And again, I'm trying to lay out the parameters and then we'll get into the analysis. The FBI, I'm speaking generally, the FBI office feels that Attorney General Pam Bondi has been incredibly sloppy in the public commentary that she has made about the the investigation surrounding Jeffrey Epstein. They feel that she has over promised and under delivered in terms of what the actual evidence that the FBI has shows. Meanwhile, now it appears to me Attorney General Pam Bondi is pushing back. She is blaming the FBI and Bongino for the release of the video inside of the gel where the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein occurred. There was a one minute lapse in the video based on the way it was recorded. And she is blaming or the Attorney General's office, again, we're talking broadly, is blaming the FBI for the way that that came out. And they're saying, actually it's your miscommunication which has created this larger issue. So basically you have two different groups arguing about who's to blame for the fallout surrounding the Epstein investigation. Communication, so far as it's been publicly. Is that a good, is that a good analysis from your perspective? You sign off on that.
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Buck Sexton
And I know that this is, this is a far more serious issue, but it does, in terms of the personnel on the spot, on the hot seat situation, it does remind me a little bit of Trump in the boardroom of the Apprentice where people are saying, you know, he did this or she did that. And, you know, I, I, you know what I'm saying? This is the, this is the moment where I think accountability may be coming to a very high level Trump appointee. And so people are going to lay it out there. And some of that may be a little bit, I wouldn't go so far as to say dishonest, but people are going to certainly give their version of things if they want to stay in the role. So this is, this is turning into a little bit of a bureaucratic knife fight. That's really what's happening here. And it's, it's understandable, I think, that tempers are, are pretty high on this one considering the amount of public attention on this issue. And look, people have been, I was laughing, I was talking to a friend, this, not laughing, but I mean, I was having kind of a chuckle about it. People have been a little bit mad at me, a little bit mad at you this week, some of them. To which I just keep saying, what, what am I, what do you want me to do? I'm not in, I'm not in charge. Like, Trump talked to me about running the CIA. He didn't ask me to run it this time. Maybe that was a mistake, buddy. Like, I'm not in charge. I don't accept that. We've gotten all the answers about Epstein. I saw this Dershowitz clip that's floating around where he's saying that he's bound by confidentiality, that he knows there's more stuff. I don't think Professor Dersh is lying. Ok. I think he's. I think he's a guy who knows what he's talking about and is. So, you know, I sit here and I just want to.
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Donald Trump
What.
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Buck Sexton
What am I. Yeah, I think that there's problems with how this was handled. And, yeah, I think there's more that we could know that we should know. I don't have the files. Like, I can't, you know, neither do you.
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Clay Travis
Right.
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Buck Sexton
So getting mad at us, I don't know why people are getting mad at us. I don't.
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Clay Travis
What do you want me to do? So here's me reading the tea leaves. Ok. I think that Trump might, I stress, might have a situation where he has to decide who am I going to go with, my FBI or my attorney general. And there may be a they leave or we leave kind of my way or the highway dispute that has accelerated because people are really angry about them taking the blame for something that they feel like they didn't.
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Buck Sexton
Let's just say this Dan, who we know, Dan Bongino. I've known Dan. I'm trying to remember. He's one of these guys I've known so long that I can't remember the first time I met him, but it was.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
At least over a decade ago. I mean, I've known dan certainly since 2013 or something like that, probably. And when he first. When he first filled in for Hannity on radio and I mean, I was filling in for Rush around that time. So that's how we knew each other. He has been calling for accountability on this issue and has put a lot out there and a lot on the line for this. And I know his character. I know his temperament. He's a fighter. And no one's going to push him into a corner and make him do something or say something that's against his ethics or morals on this. Right. So that's. So people say, how do you know Bongino's not flipped or something? That's how I know, because I know the God. I know how he operates. I don't know Cash as well. I don't. I've never even spoken to AG Bondi, to be fair, and we haven't had her on the show. I have no personal knowledge of her whatsoever. So I'm laying this out just to be. This is like full disclosure, right? Yep. You know, there are people whose character I think I know at some level, and I've had long talks with Dan in The past about all kinds of things. Right. So I know Dan a bit. I know you do too. AG Bondi, I don't know at all. And so I have nothing personally for or against her other than, you know, people like her in Florida and she's Trump's attorney general pick. There have been clear mistakes made here. Ok. Clear mistakes. And I'm just talking on the messaging side. We can go even beyond the messaging side to if you think there's still cover up going on, which is now you get into, well, okay, let's, can I play the dirt clip? Let's just play.
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Clay Travis
So let me, before we play, let's just say this full disclosure. It would actually benefit us professionally to rip Bongino and say negative things about him because he, he did he, we have Ron competing.
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Buck Sexton
He has a big show. He's on daytime. He's a big host.
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Clay Travis
Of course we're not going to play that game because I, the guy is, I'm just being honest with you all. I believe 100% that Dan Bongino is a patriot. He gave up a seat talking daily like we do to go because he wanted to help make America great and he wanted to work for Donald Trump.
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Buck Sexton
So I echo one of, one of my, one of my hesitations even having spoken to the president and the president Trump spoke about this in front of Clay and the team. So they know when we were talking about maybe me going to work with him at an and the dni, you know, Tulsi knows that this was all up. Look, if called to serve, the president asked you go do it. But I will say that I'm not somebody who would want to get into this kind of a bureaucratic knife fight. And I know that this stuff happens and this is just the nature of D.C. unfortunately. And Dan even having the role he did, making the money he was making, said, I'll do it.
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Clay Travis
That's right.
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Buck Sexton
So I respect that. I respect that.
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Clay Travis
And, and look, I mean from our perspective, I can't say we're going to get everything right, but part of what you do in life is you assess the trustworthiness of people. And I would say I would stand behind Dan on, on, on him being an honest person, which is what people got mad about me saying earlier, like this guy's not going to cover up child porn crimes. He's just not. And so look, there is now a knife fight to, to use Buck's term, a bureaucratic knife fight over who's responsible for messaging errors which have created a cluster. And I think have deeply frustrated many people inside of the Trump administration, potentially including Trump himself. Like he's going to Texas right now to go visit the, the flood victims and everything else there.
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Buck Sexton
I separate out. I mean, there's a difference between what you say when you are somebody on the outside working in media about issues like I don't have access, you don't have access. We have not seen classified. We have not, you know, I mean, I haven't in over a decade now. We don't have access to the government's internal. But once you're in that position of power and have the access, you have to be a little more cautious about what you say. I bring this up because what, for example, Dan and Cash were saying about this when they were private citizens and had been for a while at least. Certainly the Cash, I mean, Cash had been the government more recently, but Dan had been out for a long time. That's different than, ok, now I see this stuff and I have an obligation to speak a certain way about this information, bringing the power of my office to it. AG Bondi, while AG has said some things that while attorney General that were not as squared away or as tightly.
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Clay Travis
As I think clearly over promised and under delivered. And all of you out there that heard those quotes and maybe we need to pull them again and play them just to be full context. All of you who heard those quotes are rightly saying, wait a minute, she told us X and now she's telling us Y. Those don't add up. And I think that's a fair analysis of the commentary.
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Buck Sexton
And even if you give the most charitable, favorable version of events for the attorney general here that you could. Messaging mistakes are mistakes too. Right. Even, even if, even if she had said things that, you know, she's not, she's not trying to hide the, hide the football, so to speak, or anything. There's still the way the public views it. I do, I think this is important.
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Clay Travis
That the Dershowitz quote play it.
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Buck Sexton
Let's play this. This is Alan Dershowitz on whether there's more information that has been held back. Play 18.
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I have seen. Remember, I was accused falsely and they've seen and ultimately I was completely cleared. The woman admitted that she may have mistook me for somebody else and withdrew all of her lawsuits. And so from day one, from the day I was accused, I said I want every document out because I knew every document would prove I was innocent. So let me tell you, I know for a fact documents are being suppressed and they're being suppressed to protect Individuals. I know the names of the individuals. I know why they're being suppressed. I know who's suppressing them. But I'm bound by confidentiality from a judge and cases and I can't disclose what I know. But I pan to God, I know, I know the names of people whose files are being suppressed in order to protect them. And that's wrong.
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Buck Sexton
That is a huge, huge mushroom cloud level problem. Everybody, if, and I don't, I don't know what you say.
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Clay Travis
I don't know Alan Dershowitz personally, but we've had him on the show a bunch of. I can't imagine that he, as an attorney, again, speaking in the larger context now, it is very convenient to say, hey, I know a lot, but I'm bound by confidentiality, so I can't tell you any.
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Buck Sexton
He is an attorney though, right? It's not like, it's not like he's sworn on a Dakota ring or something.
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Clay Travis
That's what I'm saying. He does it. Look, if I, I know he's like 80 now, but Alan Dershowitz, for much of the last 20 years, if you had told me, hey, you're going to face serious criminal charges, who do you want to rep? You. I mean, Trump had Dershowitz repping him. I wouldn't, I mean, even at 80 or whatever he is.
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Buck Sexton
Well, here's what I would say, Defense attorney. Here's what I would say as we try. Why would he lie? I think motivations are one of the most important ways to evaluate anyone's actions. Criminally. Non, criminally. You know, what's the motivation here? Why would he lie about that right now? Because he just needs more attention. He's already very famous and he's got more money that he's going to spend. Like what at this stage? So I don't believe he's lying is my point. So then what does that mean? Where does that leave us?
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Clay Travis
I, it's a mess. And again, I think this is why this mushroom cloud is not going away. And when Alan Dershowitz comes out and says this, when Axios is reporting, hey, the FBI and the attorney general's offices are not happy with each other and they're having yelling matches over communication. I mean, it's a mess. And ultimately, you know who's going to have to make the decision on how to clean up the message? President Trump. Because it's going to end up on his desk and he's going to be, to your point, Apprentice style, looking at this and saying, ok, which side of the equation of the ledger am I weighing?
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Buck Sexton
Clay, if you, if you were the president, all right, and I was, well, I guess now we're getting away from the Mafia consul, everything. If you were the president, I was your chief of staff on this one, and you were like, what has to happen? I'd be like, somebody's got to go. I would, I would say somebody's got to go. This is, there needs to be accountability already at this stage just for the bait and switch that has occurred here.
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Clay Travis
I would also say release every fricking thing. And just if I were, if I were advising Trump politically, not legally, cuz those are two different things. Release every aspect of evidence that you have. Throw it all out there, let everybody look at it and say, this is it. Like, you know, what's the full kimono? Like, everything's out there. You get to look at it. You analyze it. Look. Prize picks makes watching live sports a lot more fun. If you haven't downloaded the app, do it today and you can have fun. I'm going to be down in Atlanta next weekend, going to go to the All Star game. I'll be doing the show from down in Atlanta at our affiliate there and I can't wait. And prize picks. Super popular in the state of Georgia, super popular in Texas, California, you name it, all over the country. You can sign up. You play $5, you get $50 back by using code clay prizepix.com code clay $50 instantly when you play $5. Win or lose, you'll get 50 bucks for just playing. Guaranteed. Prize picks run. Your game must be present in certain states. Visit prizepix.com for restrictions and details. That's prizepix.com my name Clay. You you get 50 bucks for going right now. You can have some fun. Home run derby and the All Star game coming up. Pricepix.com code clay geek out with the guys on the Sunday hang with Clay and Buck podcast a new episode every Sunday. Find it on the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Yeah, we're upset because we want you guys to hold pedophiles accountable and stop sweeping this topic under the rug. There's a cover up, and there's no way a pedophile could walk this earth a free man. And they all need to be arrested. So take it seriously. It's not a laughing matter.
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Buck Sexton
Excuse me, I'm getting upset. We're taking it seriously. What do you want? I'm not in the FBI. I don't have the list. I can't arrest anybody. We're just telling you about the information that's out there. Yes, there's stuff that we need to know that we still don't know. I've said that. The first thing I tweeted about this is that it is not credible that he was not involved in blackmail. My head is going to explode. I'm not the, you know, the chief inspector here. Sorry.
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Clay Travis
No one is pro pedophile. It's like the only people who are pro pedophiles are actual pedophiles. Like, this is like saying, oh, stop being in favor of cancer. Like, yes, if people commit crimes, they should be arrested. Here is the problem. So far as I understand it. There isn't evidence that can get people convicted of crimes right now.
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Buck Sexton
And I want to remind people of this as well. It is incredibly reckless, immoral, and legally problematic to insinuate, you know, to. To say that someone did a sex crime of any kind, despite, especially with a minor, when you're just guessing. You cannot do that. You can ruin lives, so we can't.
- [36:24]
Clay Travis
Is there anything worse to be accused of in life? I don't think there is. And so much like, take it outside of this. How often do you hear, guy gets accused of sexual assault, goes 100% public, everybody covers it. Then the evidence comes out and they're like, oh, it wasn't that. You can't unravel. Ring the bell. So the idea of, hey, let's just throw everybody in jail. It's a mess. We're going to talk about this. We got Marty McCary next. He's scheduled. We're going to talk about Bob.
- [36:51]
Buck Sexton
We're talking about the FDA and drugs and cures and saving lives.
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Clay Travis
I promise. Thanks for hanging with us. Friday Edition. Play a Buck.
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Buck Sexton
This is an iHeart podcast.