Hour 1 - Clay: I'd be a Better SCOTUS Judge

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 1 – Clay: I’d be a Better SCOTUS Judge
Date: December 9, 2025
Hosts: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into a range of hot-button issues at the intersection of law, politics, and media. The hosts focus extensively on Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson’s recent oral arguments regarding presidential authority over executive agencies. They also cover the Texas Senate race, particularly Jasmine Crockett’s candidacy and its broader media implications. The discussion balances sharp political critique with touches of trademark humor, and as always, the hosts pull no punches in evaluating key public figures.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Supreme Court Oral Arguments: Presidential Authority & “Forever Bureaucrats”

• Background (03:41): Buck Sexton introduces a Supreme Court case examining whether the President can fire executive branch employees in independent regulatory agencies or if such positions are insulated from presidential control.
• Main Question: Does Congress have the right to create “forever bureaucrats” not accountable to the President, creating a pseudo “fourth branch” of government?
• Theme: The tension between expertise/technocracy (as preferred by some Justices) and democratic accountability.

Notable Ketanji Brown Jackson Remarks

• Quote (05:48):
  “Having a president come in and fire all the scientists and the doctors and the economists and the PhDs and replacing them with loyalists and people who don't know anything is actually not in the best interest of the citizens of the United States. These issues should not be in presidential control.”
• Interpretation: The hosts argue KBJ’s comments reflect a lack of understanding of constitutional roles and democratic accountability.

Host Commentary & Criticism

• Buck Sexton (06:43):
  “I would be a better Supreme Court justice than Ketanji Brown Jackson, and I would not be a great Supreme Court justice. I don't think she has the intellectual heft to do this job.”
• Clay Travis (06:31 & 10:40):
  Asserts the case is about whether unelected bureaucrats should have job security “forever.” Suggests Brown Jackson doesn’t grasp the core constitutional issue, calling her “a politician... wearing judicial robes.”

Broader Implications

• Judicial Overreach: The hosts feel KBJ acts as a legislator, not a judge.
• Affirmative Action Concerns (08:45): Suggests Biden’s appointment of KBJ, by limiting selection to a Black woman, could itself be a violation of federal employment law.

2. Supreme Court Culture & Intra-Court Dynamics

• Buck Sexton (15:03): Suggests there is "a growing disrespect" for KBJ among her Supreme Court colleagues, including from Justices Kagan and Sotomayor (usually ideological allies).
• Memorable Moment:
  “I think Jasmine Crockett's going to be the nominee and I think she's going to be angling for... a job on The View. I think she's looked around you go, look at the way she spends money.”

3. “The View” & Media Narratives About Trump

• Segment (24:50): The hosts play a clip of Whoopi Goldberg criticizing Trump and his legacy.
• Buck's Reaction (25:43): “He is the most consequential political figure of the world. I would argue in the 21st century so far... since he came down that escalator in 2015, Trump is the most significant political figure in the 21st century. I don't even think you can argue that.”
• Clay’s Perspective: Adds that Obama’s influence, while negative in their opinion, must be acknowledged as consequential.

4. Texas Politics & Jasmine Crockett’s Senate Run

• Announcement Clip (30:04): Jasmine Crockett launches her Senate bid, framing it as a test against those who say she “can’t win because she’s black, because she’s a woman, or because she’s a Democrat.”
• Hosts’ Analysis:
  • Both doubt her chances in Texas but see her raising her national profile.
  • Buck speculates Crockett is aiming for a lucrative media career, “a million dollar contract after she gets smoked in the Texas Senate race.”
  • The “OnlyFans” Instagram scandal of her primary opponent (33:09) is discussed humorously.
• Strategic Take (35:53):
  “Would you rather make $250,000 a year and be one of a hundred senators from Texas or make call it three to five million dollars a year to be a panelist on The View?” (Clay)
• Predicted Campaign Playbook: Jasmine Crockett’s future national campaigns likely to emphasize themes of racism and sexism after her expected defeat.

5. Texas Redistricting & Broader Political Maneuvers

• Texas Supreme Court Decision (41:33): The redrawn Texas map is ruled legal, paving the way for more GOP seats, which may motivate politicians like Crockett to seek higher office before their districts change.
• Listener Call (42:43): Discussion on campaign strategy and why some opt for safe House seats over high-profile Senate losses.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Buck Sexton (06:43):
  “I would be a better Supreme Court justice than Ketanji Brown Jackson, and I would not be a great Supreme Court justice.”
• Clay Travis (16:12):
  “I didn’t go to law school, and I think I’d be better than Ketanji Brown Jackson.”
• Clay Travis (36:17):
  “And we already know what her speech is going to be, Buck. It's going to be that Texas wasn't ready for a black woman as strong, as voiced as she is. But the nation may be.”
• Buck Sexton (25:43): “He is the most consequential political figure of the world... Trump is the most significant political figure in the 21st century. I don't even think you can argue that.”
• Clay Travis (33:20):
  “Devout Christian Democrat James Talarico following a bunch of porn stars and prostitutes.”
• Buck Sexton (41:33):
  Reports on the Texas redistricting decision, highlighting bigger trends in state and national politics.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:36] Show opens, preview of the hour’s major topics
• [05:48] KBJ’s oral argument clip, presidential control over agencies
• [06:43] Buck: “I’d be a better Supreme Court Justice…”
• [11:28] Extended KBJ argument clip (“Danger of allowing the President to control agencies…”)
• [15:03] Intra-court tension and critique of KBJ
• [24:50] Whoopi Goldberg-Trump clip from The View
• [25:43] Buck’s response: Trump’s indelible impact
• [30:04] Jasmine Crockett Senate campaign launch
• [33:09] Talarico Instagram “scandal”—hosts riff on political hypocrisy
• [35:53] Crockett’s likely career calculus: media > Senate
• [41:33] Redistricting in Texas and its political ripple effects
• [42:43] Listener call on Texas electoral strategy

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Conclusion

This episode provides a characteristic blend of legal dissection, political strategy, and outspoken punditry. At its core, the debate over executive authority and the ideological makeup of the Supreme Court frames a larger cultural and constitutional conversation. Meanwhile, the Texas Senate race serves as a launching point for wider critiques of modern political ambition and media incentives. As ever, Clay and Buck engage with current events in a way that’s brash, occasionally biting, but always tuned in to the passions and anxieties of their audience.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome everybody, to the Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Getting deep into December already? I can't believe it. Much to discuss. In fact, without even planning this clay, I'm sitting here in a Crockett T shirt for Crockett Coffee, of course, go to crockettcoffee.com subscribe this holiday season. Get yourself hooked up. We've got whole bean, ground bean, K cup mushroom blend. It's amazing. Plus great gear. I bring it up, though, because there is a different Crockett in the news. We'll be discussing that momentarily. Jasmine Crockett. Now, we do have to take take into account, Clay, the possibility that were she to say run for president, you and I would often be seen in public wearing Crockett gear. And this could be confusing. So we're going to have to address this somehow. Looks like we're out there canvassing for votes for Ms. Jasmine Crockett of the House of Representatives, when in fact, we're just trying to sell you the best coffee that you'll ever have. So we'll talk about Jasmine Crockett announcing her Senate run coming up. We've also got more on the.

Minnesota and Somali American fraud situation playing out. We have a Trump interview with Dasha Burns of Politico addressing a whole range of issues. We'll bring you the highlights of that. Trump was at an Econ E Con roundtable yesterday. Gotta talk affordability. In fact, Uncle Bill, also known as Bill O'Reilly, bestselling author, TV host, etc. He will be with us at One Eastern here. Next hour on the program, we'll ask him a lot of things, but certainly about the affordability question, because I think that is what will determine most likely determine the midterms, the outcome more than any other single issue. But I actually wanted to start with this one, if I may. Mr. Clay, yesterday we had mentioned this, but there were oral arguments part of the Supreme Court yesterday, and those oral arguments included a case that goes right to presidential power, presidential authority, whether essentially the president can fire people who work for the executive branch, or is there truly a forever state, a deep state, whatever you want to call it, There are people who are the bureaucracy that are effectively a fourth branch of government because they cannot be fired by the executive branch. They are not employees of the legislative branch. They're certainly not part of the judicial branch. So what the heck is going on here? It is a very interesting question. I think, Clay, the outcome should be quite clear. And yet here is Ketanji Brown Jackson, whom I, I think you'd have to say is the most left wing member of the court. She also, and this is, I mean this, she talks the most by far of anybody on the court. And that's Just a question of timing. On the transcript she talks the most by far and unfortunately sometimes shows that she doesn't really understand the very basics of our government, which for a Supreme Court Justice, I think is a problem. Here she is yesterday, Clay, on the issue of presidential authority and can you fire these forever bureaucrats?

[Podcast Announcer]

Play Cut 6 Some issues, some matters, some areas should be handled in this way by nonpartisan experts that Congress is saying that expertise matters with respect to aspects of the economy and transportation and the various independent agencies that we have. So having a president come in and fire all the scientists and the doctors and the economists and the PhDs and replacing them with loyalists and people who don't know anything is actually not in the best interest of the citizens of the United States. These issues should not be in presidential control.

[Clay Travis]

Whose control should they be in then, Clay? That's the question that seems obvious, among others, that Ketanji Brown Jackson I do not think has a particularly erudic, tight answer to.

[Buck Sexton]

I have never said this before. I would be a better Supreme Court justice than Ketanji Brown Jackson, and I would not be a great Supreme Court justice. I don't think she has the intellectual heft to do this job. And the questions that she asks confirm that on a regular basis. Look, what she's trying to grapple with inarticulately is the concept of where do the powers of the presidency extend and how do they implicate the powers of Congress? So essentially, what we've got here, and it is, I think an actually intriguing and important position, is how do you end up making choices on Let me take a step back and explain, because I think this has gotten confusing to a lot of people, and I don't think it's overwhelmingly confusing. So let me just kind of lay out the issue here. About 100 years ago, Congress started to create these independent regulatory agencies inside of government that were basically neither executive nor congressional in nature. They were kind of a hybrid. And effectively the question is, and most of the time the terms on these agencies rotate and they're supposed to be mixed Democrat, Republican, and all of these things. And the question really at essence here is where does that fall within separation of powers? Because if you decide that these people are doing a bad job, the president is saying I should have the authority to fire them because they are acting in an executive capacity. Ketanji Brown Jackson is trying to argue that they are independent of the entire political process, but derive their power from congressional authorization and therefore should be able to serve in their office without needing to be at the behest of anyone. Right. And I think for most of us out there, we say, wait a minute. In a government, people should be actionable. And if you're acting in some form in an executive capacity, the president should have the ability to decide whether or not someone is on one of these agencies. And Katanji Brown Jackson is trying to say, well, we need experts from outside the world of politics. Well, it's actually anti democratic. Right. Because the entire process of our country is predicated on there should be people who are able to be removed if the will of the people is violated on some level. And that's really what all this is about. And look, it's getting tied up in Trump. But I actually think that's a poor way of the media conveying it because Trump's only going to be president for three more years. And largely the question is what are the powers of the executive as it pertains to these agencies? And I happen to think the executive should have the power to remove. But Katanji Brown Jackson, let's go back to her for a minute, Buck, because I actually think there's an argument that her, that her selection for the Supreme Court quite clearly violated federal law because Biden said, I'm only going to pick a black woman. You could not do that in almost any job in America without violating the law. Because you shouldn't ever say the only person who can publicly, the only person who can get this job is a black woman. In doing so, buck Biden eliminated 97% of all individuals from being able to be considered. I think 3% of the overall court is, is made up of the overall legal apparatus made up of black women. I don't think that he could appoint her. I think there is an argument that her appointment was illegal under federal law because it clearly violates principles that the Supreme Court has articulated when it comes to how to consider race and sex in terms of jobs.

[Clay Travis]

I also think she's not going to win you over with more of her oral arguments, which we're about to play here, Clay, in terms of her ability to under. And I don't mean I may disagree, and I do disagree with Kagan, for example, on a lot of things. I do think she understands what's going on. Meaning I think she understands competing forcefully.

[Buck Sexton]

A brilliant lawyer.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, she's. And the constitutional framework that we are discussing. So while, while I can disagree, she understands. What does my side say? What does your side say? I don't think Ketangi Brown Jackson really understands what the sides are in this. She just knows what she wants. She's a politician, she's effectively a legislator wearing judicial robes. And here she is, more of the K JJ. I'm sorry. KBJ rant place 7.

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Can you speak to me about the danger of allowing in these various areas the President to actually control the Transportation Board and potentially the Federal Reserve and all these other independent agencies? In these particular areas, we would like to have independence. We don't want the President controlling. I guess what I don't understand from your overarching argument is why that determination of Congress, which makes perfect sense given its duty to protect the people of the United States, why that is subjugated to a concern about the President not being able to control everything. I mean, I appreciate there's a conflict between the two, but one would think under our constitutional design, given the history of the monarchy and the concerns that the framers had about a president controlling everything, that in the clash between those two, Congress's view that we should be able to have independence with respect to certain issues should take precedence.

[Clay Travis]

I don't. What is she even saying? It sounds to me like she thinks that there is a special imputed power from Congress to have elements of government outside the executive branch, outside the legislative branch, where people are unfirable because of their so called expertise. I mean, this case comes from trying to fire someone on the Federal Trade Commission. Right. It's the case is Trump v. Slaughter and it's about firing an FTC director. I think we could find somebody else to do the FTC job. Thank you very much. I think really what this goes to, Clay, is is that Democrats cling to this, if you will, Foushee ite power going back to Dr. Fauci of people who can have vast power within the bureaucracy but are answerable, answering to no one, because bureaucrats tend to be Democrats.

[Buck Sexton]

Also, it's Congress not doing its job because I mean, this is very basic and I get it that when you go to separation of powers, where we really run into where the rubber meets the road is where do you define the separation of the power?

[Podcast Announcer]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

This is Marbury v. Madison, back in the day with, hey, the Supreme Court has the ability to review any actions of the executive or the, or the obviously the congressional power and try to make a determination there. But again, I don't have any problem with Ketanji Brown Jackson's perspectives. But she, she, everything that she does, it appears that she thinks she's a senator or a governor or even a presidential candidate. If she wants to do politics, that's fine. But the job of a justice sitting on the Supreme Court is not to articulate political arguments. And that's all she seems capable of doing.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I don't think she knows the difference, which is a huge problem.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, that is, I think.

[Clay Travis]

I think she's so deeply mired in her perspective, point of view and political ideology that she does not know the difference between the role of a judge and the role of a legislator. That's what came across to me in this argument, that she has no, that she couldn't make a distinction, really, because she's saying things like, okay, well, who determines that these people are experts?

Someone hired them somewhere along the line. So who gets to fire them? I mean, if you start to work backward from her premise. So once you work for the ftc, you get to stay there forever. So explain this to me. We can't find somebody better.

[Buck Sexton]

I think what you're seeing also internally in the Supreme Court is there's a growing disrespect of Katanji Brown Jackson's seat on the Supreme Court. I think you saw it when Amy Coney Barrett slapped her down in kind of unprecedented terms. But there was a big article I read in the New York Times recently where even Elena Kagan and Justice Sotomayor are not that happy with Katanji Brown Jackson. And so I think this is a curse.

[Clay Travis]

That she makes their side look silly is really what's going on. She makes silly.

[Buck Sexton]

This is the lasting curse of the Biden era that is going to unfortunately stain the Supreme Court for the next 30, 40 years, maybe long after I'm gone. Katanji Brown Jackson is, I think, around 50 years old. She's probably got 30 years left on the Supreme Court, and I think she's going to be a real liability as a justice going forward. Again, I don't know that I've ever pointed this out with anybody. I don't think. I'm not trying to brag and say, hey, as a lawyer, I'd be some great Supreme Court justice. I don't think I'd be very good at it. I would be better than Katanji Brown Jackson as a Supreme Court justice.

[Clay Travis]

I didn't go to law school, and I think I'd be better than Katanji Brown Jackson.

[Buck Sexton]

And I actually, there's probably a lot of people out there that would be better. But again, I think there's an argument. I've never heard anybody make it, but I think there's an argument that her appointment is illegal. Under federal law and should not stand because of Biden specifically saying I'm only going to put a black woman on. And by the way, she's a, I think a poor choice within the black female community. I think Biden, not surprisingly, made a poor choice. Except to your point, he probably knew what he was doing, which is just basically putting a left wing politician on the court to make left wing arguments. And I think that's why you're seeing Sotomayor and Kagan back away from KBJ and why you're actually seeing Amy Coney Baird, who seems pretty, pretty rel. Doesn't seem like an angry person to get her fired up in some of these court opinions. I think it's probably giving you an idea about what's going on behind the scenes.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show I can't stop thinking about the Ketanji Brown Jackson situation. This is one of those elements, Buck where when the oral arguments are released and you hear some of the judges. I think the most embarrassing oral argument questions I've ever heard were actually Sotomayor during the vaccine debate. Vaccine as in quotation marks around Covid where it was clear Sotomayor wasn't doing the basic homework. But I think this is important and worth reiterating. Every justice is able to hire four of the brightest, most brilliant legal minds in America to basically do the job for them. I mean, and I don't know that people spend a lot of time thinking about this job, but you go out and you hire the Most sterling, brilliant 25 year olds in America and you have them writing your opinions and researching all the issues. So they are handing you. All you have to do is just read the work that they have done to come up with the arguments that you want to make. And it seems to me that Ketanji Brown Jackson is either hiring morons, which is possible, or not even doing the bare minimum of work to read the arguments that they are handing to her before she goes out and speaks publicly. It actually reminds me of the girls on the View who have huge staffs and just won't spend the basic amount of work to do research to be able to talk.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

So I've got some View clips for everybody coming up.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Listen to those groovy Christmas tunes everybody. Welcome back in here to Clay.

It is very much upon us is exciting times, time of reflection, time of joy. A time we're talking about the latest from the ladies on the View among, among other places. Wait, do we not. I just. Oh, yeah, here we go. This is what I was talking about here. Whoopi Goldberg on this is cut 11. If you're wondering what is the, what is sort of the level of Democrat opposition to this Trump administration these days? What, what are the more.

Eloquent arguments that are being made? I can't help you. I just know that they hate him and they say he's not a king, as if we needed to be reminded of that. This is cut 11. Listen to this.

[Podcast Announcer]

His personal stuff.

[Buck Sexton]

I care less.

[Podcast Announcer]

I want to know what are you doing for us? Now, you say you, you said you were going to be the president for everybody, but you haven't been the president for anybody. You've been the president just for you. Well, the crypto guys, the people in prison he's pardoning, but even the people he's pardoning, he's not connected to that. He said he was our president. He's not our president. He's a guy who likes to get butt kissed. That's what he is. I need you to be the president or your legacy, your legacy, what's left of it, is going to disappear and you will just be a footnote, like gas in the desert.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't think so.

[Clay Travis]

I think, I think is the dominant political figure of the last decade. And that's not changing. But okay.

[Buck Sexton]

I just can't imagine being arrogant enough to go on a show and say that a two twice elected president of the United States is not going to have any legacy at all. Like you could, you could say, hey, I think Trump is doing an awful job. I disagree. But you can make that argument. He is the most consequential political figure of the world. I would argue in the 21st century so far. Now there's still 75 years left, so maybe somebody else is going to come along and bump him off the top of the list. But since he came down that escalator in 2015, Trump is the most significant political figure in the 21st century. I don't even think you can argue that. And also, Buck, I would argue, and I think it starts to get really kind of fascinating.

The. It depends on how far back you want to go. But let's say we start in 1980 and we make it roughly two generations, right? Other than Reagan, I think Trump is the most significant political figure in the last 40 years. And the reason why I say Reagan is the most significant in the last, it's 45 years, I guess technically is because of the Cold War and the opening of Eastern Europe and all of those things that Reagan brought about. But I would put Trump 2. Would you sign on to that as Reagan won Trump too in the last 45 years. I think we agree in the 21st century, Trump is the most consequential. But I think you can go back two generations now and say going back to 1980, the only person even in the conversation with Trump is Reagan. I would put Reagan one and Trump two. And to a large extent that's because of the reordering of the global, you know, the collapse of communism, all those things. I think defeating the evil empire of.

[Clay Travis]

The Soviet Union was a big win. That's a big W. Yeah. I don't think there's any doubt if you're talking about Republican politicians. I thank you for talking. Unfortunately, I think Obama has to be in the conversation if you're asked about lasting impact. But I think so much of the Obama impact was deeply negative for the country, but he was consequential. We're still dealing with the consequences. But yes, for Republicans, Trump and Reagan are clearly the.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't even, I don't even think you can just, I mean, I think that's including because I would go Reagan one, I would go Trump two, I would go Clinton three, I'd go Obama four. I think it's hard to argue when you get two terms and then W. Bush probably five in the last 40 years in terms of the most impactful. Now you can argue that they were impactful in a negative way.

[Clay Travis]

I think Obama had way more impact than Bill Clinton.

[Buck Sexton]

Wait, really?

[Clay Travis]

Way more?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I think that, I think that Bill Clinton. Well, I'm saying positive impact.

[Clay Travis]

I think I'm just looking at like who, who left their imprint on things. But you're just saying like did some good things.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, sure, yeah. Who had the most positive impact in the country if you go two term president in the last 40 years, 45 years, I think you go Reagan one, Trump too. Now that your argument of also considering negative impact gets more challenging. I'm trying to only look on the bright side of things.

[Clay Travis]

Well, this is like who was the.

[Buck Sexton]

I think it was, I think it was.

[Clay Travis]

Maybe it was Bill Maher. I can't remember now, but who said that like Time magazine did their 100 most influential people of the 20th century and Princess Diana was ahead of Stalin. He's like, he's like influential.

[Buck Sexton]

I think Stalin really, really funny.

[Clay Travis]

More influential. Like remember it's not who we like or who's good. Influential. Stalin, Pretty influential, you know. You know, unfortunately condemned millions and millions of people to die. And, but I mean, definitely had a big influence. So, yes, I think Obama was also very influential, unfortunately, in very bad ways for this country. There may come a time, Clay, when we have to sit here perhaps some years ahead and discuss the tremendous political influence of the Crockett presidency, as in Jasmine Crockett. Now, she has not announced for president, to run for president yet, but she has announced, as of yesterday, a Senate run. And this, my friends, is cut one. Let's hear her say it.

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[Clay Travis]

She is going to do nothing but elevate her brand, raise her profile. I understand. Is she going to win a Senate race in Texas? No, she is not. Now, you can't go to sleep on this one, Texans, a lot of you listening here, you can't go to sleep on this one because they're hoping that complacency becomes their greatest asset in a place like Texas where we have a clear advantage. But she's going to get a lot of media attention, she's going to lose this Senate race, and then she's going to run for president, Clay. Now, I don't think she's going to win that either, but you're going to be seeing a lot more Jasmine Crockett in the years ahead.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, I, I, I, I don't think there's any doubt that this is an angle to get. I, I think what she's going to do is, first of all, we should play this audio because this kind of tells you everything about what is she going to try to do? Will she convert Trump voters to vote for her? That's the only way she can win. There is no mathematical equation in the state of Texas that allows a Texas Democrat to win without getting a ton of people who voted for President Trump to also vote for you. That is the math very basic. She answers that question of what she's trying to do here buck with her answer to cut 3.

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Listen how you make voters who previously voted for Trump, particularly given that you have been an outspoken critic and he has inserted himself. Just take your campaign video as is. He has inserted himself at every turn when it comes to your commentary. How will you convert those who are supportive of him to voters for you. Yeah, I don't know that we'll necessarily convert all of Trump supporters. That's not our, do you need to our goal is to definitely talk to people. No, we don't, we don't need to.

[Buck Sexton]

That's the, that's the game. I think she's running for a good media job that she thinks will pay her more at CNN or msnbc. Her profile will increase and then I think she'll run for president in 2028. And again to your point, not very many people lose from running for president. Her profile increases. I think there's a quiet panic in the Democrat Party over the fact that she's running already. One Colin Allred has dropped out. He was the nominee who ran against Ted Cruz. Moderate ish guy, former NFL player. And now it's Crockett versus Tal Rico. I hope she wins. I hope she wins on March 3, which is going to be here faster than we know.

[Clay Travis]

It's the guy that got that got roughed up for following some of the is is it follow right am no, you may be right about that.

[Buck Sexton]

He's a minister, I think, I think he's a left wing minister who got caught following Onlyfans girls on his Instagram.

[Clay Travis]

Oh yeah. And I, I wanted to make sure I got this right. Devout Christian Democrat James Talarico following a bunch of porn stars and prostitutes.

[Buck Sexton]

He's the guy Jesus shepherded to everybody Buck.

[Clay Travis]

He was following, according to the New York Post here, a woman who self described as a bisexual Latina cyber slut on Instagram.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, you know the, I appreciate the fact that she's checking a lot of boxes back that she's a what? A bisexual cyber slut?

[Clay Travis]

Yes, Latina. A bisexual Latina. This is her self description in her profile. So perhaps he was just trying to minister to her.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, probably like Jesus, probably trying to convert her from her ways of sin and walk in the light of the Lord.

I would just point out that this.

[Clay Travis]

Is the modern Mary Magdalene. I see exactly where he's going with this. That's why he's following her.

[Buck Sexton]

I would just point out that famous ministers are often intertwined with prostitutes and not usually for the ministry. That seems to happen quite frequently in the, in the ministry universe. Maybe they start out with good intentions and then they start to walk with the devil a bit. Look, I, I, I think Jasmine Crockett's going to be the nominee and I think she's going to be angling for we played View clips. I tweeted this. I think she's angling to get a job on the View. I think she's looked around you go, look at the way she spends money. I think our friend Jesse Kelly pointed this out and it once you see it, it's hard not to notice. Most politicians want to live like rich people without doing the work that requires you to do to become rich. And so I was looking at the expenses that Jasmine Crockett has run up on super fancy luxury hotel rooms. And look, if you're fortunate enough to make good money and you want to stay in a super fancy luxury hotel room, more power to you using drink a little rose.

[Clay Travis]

We're not throwing any stones here over that.

[Buck Sexton]

Look, using your campaign funds to pay for you to stay in multi thousand dollar a night hotel rooms is just gross to me. Using campaign funds to play pay for your private jet travel, gross to me. And, and look, she wants to live the lifestyle that super millionaires live without actually being a millionaire herself. And this is her pathway to do it. The View or CNN or you know, Ms. Now whatever the heck they're called now they'll give her a million dollar contract after she gets smoked in the Texas Senate race. Um, and again, I think we should have a conversation about this and we'll ask. Bill O'Reilly is going to be on with this next hour. I think this is a panic inside of the Democrat Party about her becoming a face.

[Clay Travis]

We'll think about it this way. Would you rather make $250,000 a year and be one of a hundred senators from Texas or make call it three to five million dollars a year to be a panelist on the View? If you're Jasmine Crockett, take a take aside or you know, put aside serving the country and doing good legislation like which of those options strikes you as more appealing?

[Buck Sexton]

And we already know what her speech is going to be, Buck. It's going to be that Texas wasn't ready for a black woman as strong, as voiced as she is. But the nation may be. And she's going to take her voice to the nation. That'll be her when she is with. That will be her speech in the aftermath of getting smoked in the election. It will be, this was racism, this was sexism. But I'm not done fighting. I'm taking the battle now to the nation. And she's going to run for President 2028 and her entire platform will be America is racist against black women. And yet she will be making millions of dollars a year to basically just be a black woman who says America hates black women. It's really quite an unbelievable turn. But I'm telling you how the next two years of her career are going to go.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you. We're going to be joined by Bill O'Reilly top of the next hour. We should mention, I don't know how much time you spent on this Friday, but since we were talking about the situation with.

The Senate race in Texas with Jasmine Crockett being in it, the Supreme Court basically said the redrawn map from Texas is legal. And that is one of the aspects I think that motivated Jasmine Crockett to run because her district, I think could be impacted by the redistricting that is being laid out there that will likely lead to five more Republican seats. And as a part of this 6:3 decision as we speak right now, I believe Indiana is trying to push through in their Senate a redistricting that would add two Republican seats. We'll keep you updated on that. Florida, where you live. Buck is contemplating redrawing their districts as well. And there is still a major Supreme Court decision to come that actually will be addressing minority, sorry, majority, minority districts and whether they are constitutional in the wake of the civil rights movement and the era that we now live in. So Michael in Atlanta has a thought on that. What you got for us?

[Clay Travis]

Hey, guys.

[Buck Sexton]

Merry Christmas.

[Clay Travis]

Hey, guys.

[Buck Sexton]

Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I wanted to say that I really actually think that Colin Allred is.

[Buck Sexton]

The smart guy out of this whole thing.

[Clay Travis]

Because if you look at it one, he lost the senate race to Ted Cruz already, so he's going in sort of in a deficit. Then Jasmine Crockett, as we know, is not the brightest bull. And I think he realizes that. So he goes and runs for his previous district.

[Buck Sexton]

He doesn't have to run, make that.

[Clay Travis]

Much money in campaign compared to running a Senate campaign.

[Buck Sexton]

And I think he'll win while she'll.

[Clay Travis]

Lose and he'll basically get back into politics.

[Buck Sexton]

So I think he actually made the.

[Clay Travis]

Smart move and she made the tough move.

[Buck Sexton]

That's my point. Well, look, you're presuming, and I think Buck has it right, I think we have it right, that the goal is to be in Congress and make $180,000 a year. I don't think that's her goal. I think she sees the senate race as an opportunity to increase her national profile. I mean, remember Beto? Beto got beaten by Ted Cruz but thought that he was going to be. Remember that I was born for this cover where he argued.

[Clay Travis]

He was born. He was born to raise a lot of money, be in vanity fair and.

[Buck Sexton]

Lose by a lot. And then he launched his presidential campaign and it was dead on arrival. And so I think Jasmine Crockett believes. I think inaccurately, but I think she believes this is going to launch her to more national promise dominance. Even if she loses, it's because the state is racist and sexist.

[Clay Travis]

It wasn't Beto's fault. It was all the AR15s. They all got together and the AR15s, they voted against him.

[Buck Sexton]

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