Hour 1 - Clay's Double WNBA Challenge

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 1 – Clay's Double WNBA Challenge
Date: August 3, 2026
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

Episode Overview

This episode centers on the controversy surrounding comments by WNBA player Sophie Cunningham about the participation of biological men (trans women) in women's sports, sparking heated reactions from the sports world and broader media. Clay Travis unveils two bold challenges to confront what he deems the absurdity of the current debate: a $10 million high school boys vs. WNBA team challenge and an offer to buy a WNBA franchise exclusively fielding trans women (biological men). Throughout, Buck and Clay dissect the implications for sports, political discourse, and basic biological truth, interwoven with their signature humor and pointed critique.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

WNBA Controversy: The Flashpoint (04:40)

• Trigger Event: Sophie Cunningham of the Indiana Fever publicly states that men should not play in the WNBA, sparking outrage, particularly from the left and from some within the WNBA.
• Hosts’ Analysis: Clay and Buck argue that this controversy illustrates the left’s tendency to enforce ideological purity, even when it contradicts common sense and basic biology.

Notable Quote:
Buck Sexton:

"When these people who take this position speak, they all do so like they are a cult member or like they're honestly in some totalitarian communist country speaking about the glories of the grain harvest..." (09:00)

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WNBA Coaches & Inclusion Rhetoric (05:22–08:55)

• Three Coach Perspectives:
  • Golden State Valkyries Head Coach: Advocates for "belonging and inclusivity," extending that to trans women in sports.
  • Indiana Fever Coach Stephanie White: Admits she’s "not educated enough" from a scientific standpoint but is against exclusion.
  • Minnesota Lynx Coach: Wears a "Protect Trans Kids" shirt, emphasizing the need for inclusion and downplays the frequency of trans athletes threatening women's sports.

Notable Quote:
Stephanie White:

"I don't know that I would say that I'm educated enough from a scientific standpoint...I just don't feel like exclusion is an answer." (06:45)

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The Hosts’ Critique of Current Discourse (08:59–11:09)

• Cult Mentality & Jargon: Buck and Clay mock the repetitive use of inclusion/exclusion language and avoidance of empirical facts.
• Biology is Basic: The hosts stress that you don’t need advanced biology knowledge to distinguish male from female athletes.
• Mental Health Note: Buck argues that insisting trans women compete as women stems from personal and societal delusions.

Notable Quote:
Buck Sexton:

"You don't need to be a biology expert to know that a penis is not a vagina and a vagina is not a penis." (10:04)

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Clay’s “Double WNBA Challenge” (11:09–15:00)

• First Proposal: Clay will buy a WNBA expansion franchise in Nashville, staff it exclusively with biological men identifying as women (the "Nashville Balls"), and predicts they'd never lose a game.
• Second Proposal: Ups the ante from a previous $1 million offer—now $10 million—to any WNBA team that can beat a boys’ high school state championship team, with all proceeds going to charity.
• Purpose: To expose the logical endgame and contradictions of the “men can be women in sports” argument by taking it to its logical, absurd conclusion.

Notable Quote:
Clay Travis:

"Our entire coaching staff will be trans. That is men pretending to be women. We will not lose a single game. There are probably some games where we will not even give up a single point. I will call this team the Nashville Balls..." (11:18)

Challenge Details:

• $10 million cash prize, boys' state champions vs. WNBA team, profits to t2t.org for families of fallen veterans and first responders.

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The Broader Stakes: Honesty, Politics, and Trust (15:00–17:00)

• Clay emphasizes the issue as a "test of basic honesty." If someone will lie about biology, they may lie about anything else politically.
• Connects the issue to Trump’s 2024 election victory, arguing the sports gender debate was a key motivator for voters.

Notable Quote:
Clay Travis:

"If you will lie to me about this, then I can't trust you on anything else." (15:47)

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Media’s Response and Sophie's Ostracization (19:00–21:17)

• Katie Nolan’s Take: Calls Sophie Cunningham’s stance "common sense" but says it shows a lack of critical thinking.
• Hosts’ Rebuttal: Buck and Clay argue Nolan and other commentators ignore biology for ideological points, and mock the conflation of LGBTQ identity with trans sports eligibility.

Notable Quote:
Buck Sexton:

"You have to accept that a man does not have a biological advantage over women in sports..." (21:05)

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Ridicule, Humor & The “Nashville Balls” (23:06–25:32)

• Hosts lean into humorous ridicule as an effective response ("the balls in the net" imagery, jokes about team gear).
• Reiteration that true inclusion inevitably means exclusion of girls for the sake of biological males.

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WNBA as Political Advocacy, Not Sports League (25:32–26:38)

• Clay notes the WNBA acts more like a far-left advocacy group than a business—citing coaches’ political apparel and statements.

Notable Quote:
Clay Travis:

"The WNBA is not behaving as a sports league would. It is behaving as a far left wing political organization..." (25:32)

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Safety, Fear, and the Silent Majority (26:38–28:35)

• Safety Concerns: Some players (like Sophie Cunningham and Caitlin Clark) may fear violent backlash.
• Caitlin Clark's PR-Safe Non-Answer: Chooses to focus on "basketball" only when asked about the controversy.
• Reasoning: Buck suggests her answer is directly from PR staff, choosing the safest route amid a hostile atmosphere.

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Honest Conversation vs. Political Cowardice (28:35–34:19)

• Clay: It’s cowardly but perhaps smart for players to avoid the issue, but real leadership would come from the league commissioner declaring only biological women eligible.
• Buck: Points out the logical inconsistency when the same commentators say it’s both the new civil rights struggle and that no one should care.

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Real World Consequences: What If the Hosts’ Challenge Succeeds? (36:15–39:04)

• Caller Perspective: If trans women flood the WNBA, will outcry shift to them taking jobs from women?
• Conclusion: Such a situation would expose the irreconcilability of "inclusion" with the purpose and viability of women’s sports itself.
• Humorous reference to Dave Chappelle’s (or similar) joke about LeBron James scoring 100 points if he played WNBA.

Notable Quote:
Buck Sexton:

"LeBron James would score a hundred points a game...Because of biology. Biology is real." (39:30)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Commentary on coaches’ repetition of “inclusion” rhetoric:
  Buck Sexton:

  "...like they're in some totalitarian communist country speaking about the glories of the grain harvest..." (09:00)

• Clay’s humorous franchise offer:

  "I'll buy a WNBA expansion franchise...I will call this team the Nashville Balls." (11:18)

• Clay connecting the issue to public trust:

  "If you will lie to me about this, then I can't trust you on anything else." (15:47)

• On the real threat to women’s sports:

  "When you are allowing a boy to take a girl spot, you are including boys at the exclusion of girls." (23:40)

• Buck on Caitlin Clark's PR answer:

  "That's an answer that can't get her in trouble. And she just doesn't want to talk about this." (27:57)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 04:40 – Sophie Cunningham's remarks and the WNBA trans athlete controversy
• 05:22–08:55 – Reactions from various WNBA coaches and the theme of inclusion
• 08:59–11:09 – Hosts' critique of left-wing talking points (“cult” language)
• 11:09–15:00 – Clay's Double WNBA Challenge (franchise offer, $10 million basketball game)
• 19:00–21:17 – Media's attack on Sophie Cunningham and hosts' rebuttal
• 23:06–25:32 – Ridiculing the situation through humor (Nashville Balls)
• 25:32–26:38 – WNBA as a political, not sports, organization
• 26:38–28:35 – Safety/fear among WNBA players, Caitlin Clark’s safe answer
• 28:35–34:19 – Discussing the real-world consequences for players, cowardice vs. smart avoidance
• 36:15–39:04 – Callers visualize the impact of trans women dominating WNBA

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Conclusion

This episode takes the WNBA/trans athlete debate from the national headlines straight to the logical extremes—through money, satire, and hard questions about honesty, politics, and the future of women's sports. Clay and Buck are unapologetically confrontational and irreverent, pushing for responses that go beyond rhetoric. The message: Some lines are so basic that crossing them undermines trust in every other institution.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

And to that end, let me just tell you our friend Aaron Wexler, some of you know her. I've had her on the Buck Brief podcast many times. She is a fast rising conservative female comedian and she's super smart too, political commentator. She'll be with us at the end of the show today, third hour, but also is going to stay with us for a special YouTube Hangout session. YouTube only post show. So today is a great day for you to begin your Clay and Buck YouTube experience. Check us out on the video there. Aaron will be taking live questions. It'll be a lot of fun. She's actually going to be with me in studio here in Miami. Her and my wife are friends. There may be some cookies made. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. Now we have Clay, a bunch of big stories for everybody's enjoyment. First of all, Mom Donnie's New York. We have Mamdani talking about how you have to show ID to get the special on the Wonder Bread. Okay. If you're going to go into one of the one of the Bolshevik bodegas that Mamdani is opening up, you are going to have to show id. We'll discuss that. A prominent left of center podcaster who was also on Bill Maher, I think this past week he has expressed surprise that Mamdani is running a revolution that will devour people irrespective of their political affiliation. The commies come for everyone essentially. We'll discuss that. Clay, we had Trump at Air Force One. Some, some funny stuff from him, some policy stuff. Also, what was the oh, Dana Bash. I never get her name right. Dana Bash. Right. Doing her thing on CNN and getting absolutely lit up by RFK Jr you will enjoy that if you have not heard it. We will play that for you in a little bit. But I come to you today to discuss something that I would not have assumed going into August of the summer Clay would be the, the biggest story in the country. Let, let's just set the table for a second. Then you can tell everybody why this has turned into such a freakout situation. A a member of the WNBA's is it the fever that she's on? Is that right?

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Cunningham, Sophie Cunningham, who is a blonde haired white woman who is very good looking and in the wnba. She said she doesn't think dudes should, I'm paraphrasing, but she doesn't think dudes should play in the wnba. Now this has resulted in a collective left wing freakout, a trans live matter move, Trans Lives matter movement if you will. And all of these coaches and all these professional athletes saying completely insane things. Clay, shall we start with Golden State Valkyrie's head coach here? This is cut three. Should men be able to play in the wnba? And this is what it said. Play it.

[Clay Travis]

For me. Sports. Sports is about belonging. It's about inclusivity. It's about allowing everyone to be their authentic self. You know, I'm big on that. Just because I have been criticized for my height, for my ethnicity, I've been in those you shouldn't belong here many times. And for me, I don't want that space, especially Golden State, to ever feel like that. So I'm all about women, little girls deserving to play, and that includes trans women. So I'm all about inclusivity, okay?

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

I'm all about inclusivity. Buck. Men should be able to play in women's sports. All of this coming out of Sophie Cunningham's just standing up and saying women's sports should be for women. Let me play a couple of more cuts here because this story exploded over the weekend, and left wingers are truly dying on the hill of men pretending to be women are actually women. And many of those are liberal white women like Indiana Fever coach Stephanie White. I don't know if you heard this clip, Buck. She was asked if men should be able to play in women's sports. Her thoughts about it by an outkick reporter. This is what she said. She said she's not educated enough. Buck. From a scientific standpoint, this is a real answer from a grown adult women's coach. Cut seven.

[Clay Travis]

I don't know that I would say that I'm educated enough from a scientific standpoint. I don't ever believe that exclusion is an answer.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

I just don't.

[Clay Travis]

I do think, you know, when we think about various levels of sport, on various governing bodies of sport and things that go into that, like I said, I'm not. I'm not educated enough at the different levels. I know growing up, I played with the boys all the time. So you are girl sports.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Would you welcome a biological male in wnba?

[Clay Travis]

Again, it's like, I don't know. When we talk about biological male and scientifically where we are, I think it's a totally different scenario. You know, as I said, I'm not educated enough in. In terms of transgender and transitioning to give you. To give you a smart answer. I would say, though, that I just don't feel like exclusion is an answer, and I think that we need to have deeper, more layered conversation.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Okay, Buck. This woman graduated From Purdue University. Go Boilermakers, Phi Beta Kappa, and was one of the academic all Americans. From all intents and purposes. She is a very intelligent woman, quite well educated. She's afraid of speaking out and saying the truth. By the way, there's other elements of this, too. The women's basketball coach for the Minnesota Links coached against Sophie Cunningham's Indiana Fever team. She wore a Protect trans Kids shirt on the sideline during the game. Buck. And she said she spoke out about this as well. Here she is, cut one, saying we need to protect trans kids.

[Clay Travis]

I don't think we should feel like our safe space is being threatened. That's what I enjoy about the wnba, and I think we have to continue to safeguard that. I come from a space of inclusion. And the narrative that I think that is problematic is to suggest that, number one, that transgender athlete are the biggest problem in women's sports. And I think this is what's bothersome, is that there's a faction of people in our country that are making this a massive issue. We have some issues. Number one, we need to protect trans kids.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Every kid.

[Clay Travis]

To me, it's a human rights issue.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Okay, Buck, These people are crazy, okay?

[Buck Sexton]

So this is. This is what's really important. I have two observations for you on this Clay, because you're touching on point one there, but I'll take that second. First is notice how when these people who take this position speak, they all do so like they are a cult member or like they're honestly in some totalitarian communist country speaking about the glories of the grain harvest and how this year will be more than last year and the year after that will be more, even though everyone is starving. Like, they're clearly saying things that they do not believe and they're grasping for the jargon, you see, it sounds like jargon. They're using this word, inclusive, exclusive. Inclusive, exclusive. They're just leaning on these things to try to signal to people, please don't attack us. Like, please don't come after me. I will do what the cult demands. I will do what the Transformation Lives Matter movement is demanding of me here. Right? Because no one speaks the way that they speak normally.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

They're.

[Buck Sexton]

They're trying to fall back into these canned phrases and things like, well, I'm not a biology expert. You don't need to be a biology expert to know that a penis is not a vagina and a vagina is not a penis. You can actually know that without being an expert. And so, yes, Pratim is pointing out these are Manufactured delusions, which is why the book is still doing so well. Thank you. But Clay, the second part of this is. This is what you touched on. Yes. Trans people who think that they should play against women because they're really women. They have a mental health issue. This is very obvious. The DSM 4, I think, treated it as such. Now the DSM 5, because psychiatrists are unfortunately the most left wing of any medical profession. They've like changed this and it's no longer genders for you. They're clearly there's something.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

They're having a problem.

[Buck Sexton]

They need help. But there is a mentally ill cohort around them of millions of people who are left wing and brainwashed who will

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

go along with this.

[Buck Sexton]

And that's what you actually see happening here. It's not just the delusion of the individual who is trans. It is the people around them who

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

will fight on their behalf for this. OK, Buck, I've got two aggressive moves that I am undertaking here, and I'm 100% serious about this and I'm going to share both of them with you. First of all, I will buy a WNBA expansion franchise. As the primary owner of that franchise, I will bring them to my hometown where I do this show from Nashville, Tennessee. We will call them. Well, I'll get to that in a sec. I will pledge that 100% of my team will be trans. That will be men pretending to be women. Our entire coaching staff will be trans. That is men pretending to be women. We will not lose a single game. There are probably some games, Buck, where we will not even give up a single point. I will call this team the Nashville Balls. And I will become a dynastic sports owner. In addition to continuing to do this show with you and all my other shows and all my other companies. I will own a WNBA franchise. I will buy it and I will play only men who identify as women wear wigs. We'll run around, do whatever we need to do to be officially classified as identifying as women. I. This is what they're now saying is permitted. I will do it. I will buy a team. I'll put my money where my mouth is. Secondly, before Buck, you remember I offered a million dollars if the WNBA champ, which is right now, the Las Vegas Aces, I believe if they would play a boys high school state championship team of my choosing, I would give a million dollars to the winning team. Buck. I will now give $10 million to the winning team. We will put this on pay per view. We will send all the profits of which there will be probably tens of millions to tunnel to towers t2t.org our good friends there for mortgage free homes for veterans, the, the families of veterans, first responders, police, people who have lost their lives defending this country. $10 million. I will wheel it out. I don't even know how much space. $10 million. We'll dump, truck it out, put it in the arena. A boy's high school team will get $10 million if they win. The WNBA, they say that they're underpaid. They say that they're as good as men. Let's decide it once and for all. And I think you have to be hyperbolic to respond to the absurdity here because if you are not, then they will just continue to chirp, they'll continue to talk. So I think you have to put money behind your words. I am taking them at their words. And I will put $10 million boys, high school team, state champ of my choice versus WNBA and or I will also purchase a WNBA franchise and only play men who identify as women. And that is the trans community in the wnba. I doubt that the WNBA will respond to this, but this is real money on the table in a significant way. And I think what it does is it forces them to justify in some way their positions. It also draws even more attention. I think this is important, by the way, because we said this before. Trump won the 2024 election largely on the issue of men and women's sports. And some people say, well, it's not that serious in the grand scheme of things. You will hear a lot of people tell you defend the idea of men and women's sports while simultaneously saying, I don't know why you care. Why do you care so much? It's because of this. If you will lie to me about this, then I can't trust you on anything else. It is a gatekeeping to me, a test of your basic honesty. If you are arguing to me that men are the equivalent of women or that men belong in women's sports than every other political position that you have, I cannot trust you because you are willing to lie to me about something that is as basic as biology. So my double challenges are out there. They are now public. I have tweeted them. 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[Clay Travis]

cut 5 Sophie Cunningham throwing her hat

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

All you're telling us Sophie, is that

[Buck Sexton]

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[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

or that you aren't interested in employing them.

[Clay Travis]

You're taking the message that's being given

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

This is an example of a dumb argument that someone who thinks they are smart is making. And this is very common. I mean, this is, I would say that her. That, that cut. We just played Buck, I would say, is the consensus view of most people who cover sports media.

[Buck Sexton]

But just think about this as well. To those listening, we have, we have members of the LGBTQIA+ who listen to this show because they're astute and intelligent people who want good commentary and news because they're a bunch of lesbians in the wnba. You have to accept that a man does not have a biological advantage over women in sports. You know, the gays and the lesbians getting dragged into this in this way is always very interesting to me because what is that? What does one have to do with the other anyway? Own a business. It's worth protecting. With business insurance, the only question is, will your broker be accessible when you need them? Insurance claims coverage gaps, employee questions. There are a lot of issues that come up during the year. Super sure is a new company in business to improve all that. Their goal is to make it easier for business owners, CFOs and HR directors to understand the insurance they're buying and working with. If your company has more than 25 employees and you're the owner, a CFO or the HR manager, you want to know about Super Sure. Super sure is licensed in every state for your business, insurance and employee benefits, all with year round support for you and your team at no additional cost. Supersure also has a fine print fax tool which translates your current policy into plain English. You see what's covered and what's not. Go to super sure.com buck to see why growing businesses are moving beyond traditional brokers that Super Sure.com buck paid for by Super Shore Insurance Agency, LLC, a licensed insurance agency. Okay, welcome in to Clay and Buck. And Clay is currently designing the logo for his Nashville Balls transgender only WNBA team. And I gotta tell you, the creative juices are flowing big time and AI is being put to good use as we sit here. Yes, sir.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Just saying. I mean, I see it visually, the balls in the net. Like you know, when you're warming up, getting loose for the game and you got a bunch of shots going up at the net. Sometimes at some point in time, there are two balls in the net for anyone who has ever played basketball. It's kind of a perfect metaphor for the Nashville balls. And two things Buck in addition to having fun with how absurd this Is you have to ridicule, I think with humor in this way. And I was just looking on my $10 million challenge, which by the way, I would love to do. I think it would be one of the most watched basketball games of all time. We would raise a vast amount for charity. I don't believe the WNBA players or the teams will allow it because they would lose. And we have a lot of calls, by the way, 800-282-2882. But inclusion, I always think this is important. Inclusion, when you are talking about men who identify as women in women's sports is going to cost a girl a spot. And I give credit to Brett Kavanaugh in his Supreme Court opinion, which we should mention, three liberal justices disagreed with three women were saying men should be able to play women's sports. Brett Kavanaugh pointed that out. Exactly. Which is sports are zero sum. As all of you know, there's only so many spots on a sports team. There's only so many spots where you can start on a sports team. So when you are allowing a boy to take a girl spot, you are including boys at the exclusion of girls. That is very significant. Second thing here, Buck, you and I were talking about off air and I do think this is important too. The WNBA is not behaving as a sports league would. It is behaving as a far left wing political organization would. Because this is not. I mean, if you're making a rational argument, you don't have a coach showing up in a protect trans kids T shirt to coach a basketball game. That's a political organization. You were making the analogy, Buck, that this is not really like a for profit business would apply at all. It's basically, as you were saying, like an ngo. I mean they're behaving as a political advocacy organization, not as an actual for profit league.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, it does act like Twitter a bit before Elon bought it. If you recall when we got to see the internals on this, there are all these people at Twitter who had nothing to do with the micro blogging website that it initially launched as they were there to enforce left wing orthodoxy. And their positions were things like trust and safety or DEI or whatever it may be. They were little commissars and there are clearly a lot of commissars within the WNBA because the entire thing operates as an appendage charity of the NBA. Yes, otherwise it would not exist. But I just have to say for these women, they're clearly there's a. There's two pathways here. Some of them Are brainwashed. Caitlin Clark. Yeah. Was asked. I think this is the other. I think some of them are honestly just scared. I think they're scared for their careers. I think they're scared for their. Their physical safety. Just going to say this.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

This is what I fear for Sophie Cunningham, Buck is she's brave. I'm afraid that one of these crazy trans people is going to injure her.

[Buck Sexton]

Hurt somebody.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

She said, yeah, Charlie Kirk was.

[Buck Sexton]

Was killed by a trans maniac. Somebody who had gone all in on the trans ideology. Allegedly.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

The guy's facing trial still, but allegedly killed by a. A Tran tifa lunatic. Now, in this context, I don't think it will. I mean, God forbid, but nothing like that extreme will happen. We're talking about sports, not national level political figure, but Caitlin Clark, I've seen the. I mean, I don't follow this stuff like Clay follows the sports stuff pretty closely. I just see the clips of her being clearly like outside the bounds of basketball. Really assaulted, you know, assault and battery on Caitlin Clark on a regular basis. So when she says about State, you know, when she's asked about Sophie Cunningham, this is cut 4. This is what she says.

[Clay Travis]

Play it. I think for us, like, you know, it's not really a discussion we really have in our locker room. I think it's for leagues and the governing bodies to work with their athletes to find solutions. But our focus is on basketball, and that's what we talk about and how we can get wins. And obviously we didn't do that tonight, so, you know, find an area to improving that way.

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Do you have any.

[Buck Sexton]

Any, you know, reaction to the.

[Clay Travis]

I just answered for you, Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I just say, by the way, that that to me is an answer that she gets directly from the PR team, maybe even from, you know, her. Her attorney, if you will. That's an answer that can't get her in trouble. And she just doesn't want to talk about this. She knows. Yeah, she knows the truth about biology and sports and all this stuff, but she's scared. Now.

[Clay Travis]

You can.

[Buck Sexton]

It's. It's easy to say when you're not out there with a bunch of people who are trying to elbow you in the face that you would do, you know, you would stand and be brave maybe. But I would just say I think she's afraid for her safety, for her career. And what does that tell you about this issue?

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Well, Sophie Cunningham is being booed in. Now, to be fair, the first two games she's played on the road since she said this were in Portland and Minneapolis. And I don't think the average WNBA fan in Portland or Minneapolis is very representative of the average American or the average American sports fan, to be fair. Having said that, it's cowardice from Caitlin Clark. It is. I understand her perspective. And the WNBA could do a lot to protect its entire league if they had a commissioner who just came out and said the WNBA has women in the title. Only biological women can play in the wnba, period. Like that would take a lot of the heat off. And individual players and coaches then don't have to give their opinions.

[Buck Sexton]

Let me, let me just give you a counterpoint here though, ok? To try to be, try to be consistent. Michael Jordan Republicans buy sneakers too. You wrote a book quoting Michael Jordan on this one, essentially. And I don't even remember the specific context, but we all understand what the quote means, which is I'm just trying to be the best basketball player in the world to sell as many tickets and shoes, et cetera. And we respect that. Right? You and I both respect that. I think this audience respects that. Here she is, Caitlin Clark. I think she just wants to play basketball.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Yes. Why, you know, why is it different

[Buck Sexton]

for her to say I don't. Look, she's not saying I believe in inclusivity and we should have dudes. He's. She's not saying that. She's trying to just stay out of it. She's trying to stay out of the politics of it. Help me, help me square this one a little bit.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Is it just too important an issue? It can be cowardly and smart at the same time, right? Like there are, there are lots of times, look, I mean, if some 320 pound ripped guy is standing up and cursing at a sports event and I'm like, hey, I'm here with my kid and I tap him on the shoulder and I'm like, hey, you know, could you please kind of tone down the language a little bit and sit down so we can see better. And he says, no, like it's cowardly of me to not accelerate that, right? Because he's disrespecting me and my family. It's also kind of smart, right? Because otherwise he's going to potentially beat my brain.

[Buck Sexton]

I put it to you this way. As, as commentators sitting here in our, in our relative studios observing this thing, we do our job, which is speaking the truth about this and everything else. We are not facing the, instead of slings and arrows, the elbows and, and palm strikes or, you know, scratches to the face that, that Caitlin Clark does. If we weren't in that position. If I was her agent, I would tell her that. If I was her agent, mind you, you and I are, we're totally aligned. That I wish she would become, you know, a hero for all girls and she should do that. Okay. But if I was her agent, I would tell her this is exactly the answer you give. Don't get into it. Don't get involved.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

I would also say what I said at the get go, which is this is fundamental to the league itself. And the WNBA commissioner should be speaking out to keep every single player and coach from being asked about this. And you can say, well, I just want sports to be about sports. I would argue who is able to play the sport is the very definition of a sports question itself. In other words, if you, as I have, have coached little league kids, if someone who is older than your league is playing, it's not you interjecting politics to be like, hey, 14 year olds shouldn't be able to play 12U. And by the way, it wouldn't be interjecting politics to say heavyweight boxers shouldn't be able to identify or UFC fighters as welterweights. Right. I mean we've got weight classes for a reason. We have age classes for a reason. We have sex classes for a reason.

[Buck Sexton]

I think you've elucidated the answer then to the question which I do think is important to have Republicans buy sneakers too. That's a valid concept that we would support for. Hey, Michael Jordan, what do you think about the latest Bill Clinton executive order? I'm here to play basketball. Caitlin Clark, what do you think about within your sport that a man could tomorrow be the highest score or a higher scorer than you and undermine the integrity of what you're doing now you're within the realm of your sport.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

So there, there is a. There is, I think a consistent and

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

I would say Caitlin Clark, to your point, Buck. Exactly. In the 2024 election, declined to give an answer as to who she supported, which I would say is. The Republicans buy sneakers to goal. Right. It's a very divisive.

[Buck Sexton]

I have no problem with her not saying publicly who she voted for. That's. That's her prerogative. And you know, this is still America, so.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Yep, that's right. We got loaded lines. Let's take. You want to go to break and then we'll take all these calls because a lot of you are questioned up. Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I just note something else? You're noticing the game they play too.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

They will.

[Buck Sexton]

We will die on this hill. Of women can play in men's sports. Why is it such a big deal to you?

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Right? It can't be both men's sports. They will say you said it opposite because it is important. Women who identify as men, this isn't an issue at all. Which goes to the importance of biology. Right? Like Elliot Page is not playing in the NBA.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, did I say women and men's sports? I meant men. And I meant men's sports. My point is they will, they will die on this hill. This is absolutely essential. This is the new civil rights struggle. You are bigoted. You are anti human rights unless you agree, comma, when you don't agree. Why are you making such a big deal out of this?

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

It's exactly right.

[Buck Sexton]

It's the most passive aggressive nonsense. It's really like a gaslighting for the argument. They do this all the time and it's just hide the basketball if you will. It's we can never get to a conclusion here because they won't actually address the core fundamental reality, which is that they're crazy and what they're saying makes no sense. So there you go. Certain areas of your house don't do well with deferred maintenance. One of those areas is your roof. When it needs repairs, you got a clock going. You don't want to wait too long. Getting in touch with Erie Home this is a smart move. An established company, Erie Home, specializes in making sure the roof on your house is in excellent shape and they've been at this for 50 years. They'll inspect your roof for any problems free of charge using a 25 point inspection they've developed over their many years in business. If your roof needs replacement, Erie Home offers all kinds of options, including the use of newer metal materials that are made to mimic the look of your current roof. Whether that's dimensional shingles, wood shake or barrel ties, your new roof will look great. Last up to two to three times longer than a lot of traditional materials. Plus, Erie Homes roof for you would come with a 50 year transferable warranty. Schedule your free inspection free [e-mail] Buck today get up to twelve hundred dollars off any installation work that needs to be done. That's erihome.com buck the offer of 1200 off is valid for new roof installations only. Valid on new roofing installation only. Minimum purchase required and restriction supply C rep for warranty or promotional details.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Level up your brain and balance out your day with the right amount of information and entertainment. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the I Heart radio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay and Buck. Let's get to some of your calls. Lots of reactions pouring in. Also, Sophia is monitoring your. Your YouTube comments. We got some very funny ones coming in there. You can watch the whole show live on YouTube. Let's go first to Jeff in Utah. We got a couple of Jeffs. First one. Jeff in Utah.

[Buck Sexton]

Share your time. If these woke lefts are so bent on allowing trans people to join the WMBA and they're uneducated in biology, maybe they need to be reminded why we have a wnba. If they want to implement inclusivity, maybe we need to do what the left loves to do so much and abolish the WNBA and have them try out for the NBA. Yeah, can I. This is, this is important. By the way, it's a great point from the caller, Clay. The. The reason the sports thing become so central in the whole trans debate and discussion is that it makes real for people to observe in an objective fashion the fundamental lie behind the entire trans movement, which is that these are women. They are not. That is it. That is why. So it's about actually a lot more than sports, even though sports is the central and front battleground of it 100%.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Also, I would, I would point out there is a big difference between what used to be the case, which is people would dress up as women because it made them happier, but they didn't expect you. Like the whole drag queen thing is predicated on these are men pretending to be women. They didn't require you to say, oh, these are women. Right. And, and to your point, it definitely there's a difference to me between it makes me happier as an adult to wear different clothes or whatever you want to do. If that makes you happier and it's your choice, I don't have any problem with it. But as soon as you expect me to validate as a biological reality something that's not true, this is why to me, Buck, this is the essence of so much. You are requiring me to lie and I'm not willing to do so about what you believe about yourself. Let's see. Great call from Jeff in Utah. Let's go to Jeff in North Carolina.

[Buck Sexton]

Hi, guys.

[Clay Travis]

Let's.

[Buck Sexton]

Let's say that this does happen and the trans players are allowed to come into the wnba. How long does it take for the outcry then to go to, hey, these trans athletes are taking jobs.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

It's what needs that. Thank you for the call, Jeff, to me and Buck and I were talking about that off air. And this is what I'm elucidating by saying, I mean it, I'll buy a WNBA franchise. You have to make it a reality. If they want to argue men are not are are women, then to me you have to take talented male athletes, put them in the WNBA. I mean, I'm not kidding. They would average 50 points and 50 rebounds a game. It would defeat the entire purpose of the league itself.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, it is absolutely the case. I remember even when Dave Chappelle, who's, who's been funny on this issue and almost brave but then has gone back in a little bit. So whatever. But when he made, he made a joke in one of his standups about how if LeBron James played in the WNBA, he would score a hundred points a game. I believe it was Dave Chappelle. Right? You know, remember what I'm talking about?

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

I think that's right. But I mean I, I don't think he's wrong. I mean I think LeBron James, whether

[Buck Sexton]

he says it or not, it's true.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, so whoever said it, I mean, maybe I'm confusing my quote, but LeBron James would score a hundred points a game. I mean it would just be absurd. You would not. It is not possible for female basketball players to guard him. There is not a female on the planet. You could triple team him with women. He would run around or through them and he would score because of biology. Biology is real. This is. Then again, they can get away with this game with a lot of things like, oh, isn't this actor or actress so beautiful? No, it looks like like a 14 year old boy or something and it's actually a woman who's cut off her breasts and cut off her hair and it becomes Ellen Page or the whole thing is absurd. But with sports Clay, it's too obvious. That's the problem. We have Michelle to foyer coming up next. This will be great.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Ali or another show contributor)]

Perfect timing. She was at this game in Minneapolis at the protest. She heard Sophie Cunningham being booed. All of the chaos surrounding this. She is running for senate in Minnesota. She is a former sideline reporter. Talk about wheelhouse. This is it for Michelle Tafoya. She will join us next talking about all of this chaos on play and buck.