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Download it for free. Welcome everybody. Friday edition of Clay and Buck. The best, some people are saying the best of all shows, of all streams, of all podcasts. You're beautiful, you know that? So we have a lot to talk about today. We got Trump at The epa, the Dodgers, who are a baseball team, go to the White House. They were formerly the Brooklyn Dodgers, I believe play now.
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Clay Travis
Thank you, thank you. I know New York stuff way out in Los Angeles. More on the Democratic Socialist takeover of the OR of the Democrat Party. Our good friend Megyn Kelly weighs in on an ancient feud of sorts which Clay can explain to all of you in a bit because it's a Friday, so we are going to have a particularly large amount of fun on this show. Not much to talk about on the Iran thing other than the specifics of the tactical back and forth on what they're blowing up, what we're blowing up and all that that's still going on. So that's obviously in the not fun to talk about category. But important news. I wanted to dive into this. I was riveted this morning as I was watching, preparing for the show and watching Elon Musk sit down with almost a caricature of a snooty left wing British journalist who's the editor in chief of the Economist, which is a thing that people subscribe to so they can tell people so they think that they're smart. Not really very interesting for the most part. But Ellen did sit down with them and Clay, I thought of all of. There was a lot of great stuff. But cut one here you see him talking about because she comes after him as being somehow far right or enabling the far right. Listen to Elon discussion not just for America but for Western civilization. The reality of the political shift of the last decade or so play it.
Elon Musk
My political views are very, are centrist, they're not far right. And frankly, calling a far right I think is an insult to history, an insult to many peoples. And it is an outrageous falsehood. It's completely absurd. I literally have stated my position, which is that, and I've been very clear about this, which is that there need to be secure borders, that if there's an influx of immigrants, there needs to be people who will agree with Western ideals, with Western values. And if they don't, and if there's a long term growth of people who do not or in some cases are adamantly opposed to Western values, you are setting yourself up for civil war. This is obvious. A child can see this. But this is not a right wing view. I'm simply stating reality, Clay, very straightforward.
Clay Travis
He's saying whether it's the UK or the United States, bringing in millions of people without any care at all as to whether they one, come legally, two have any affinity for our culture, our history, our language, our people already here is a slow moving suicide. And it couldn't be more obvious. But the elites of Western civilization for as long as you and I have been alive have been selling everybody down the river on this one. They have betrayed Western civilization. Elon sees it loud and clear.
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Look, I watched this interview too, and I give Elon Musk credit here because I always would like people to listen to interviews in totality. So I would encourage all of you to go listen to it in totality. I think what is particularly difficult for leftists to handle is what he says. I believe in cut two, that he's actually just totally normal. And we can't have normalcy in the country until normal people are actually making decisions. And I, I like this cut to really, when you go and look at everything that Elon believes, what a lot of you believe, what a lot of I believe a lot of what Buck believes. It was considered very middle of the road opinions for much of our lives until we ended up in this world where suddenly everything gets classified as far right opinions. This is cut to support not just
Clay Travis
the populist right, but the far right, in fact, very fringe parties in some countries.
Elon Musk
No, I support the normal people. Okay. What you call the far right falsely,
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you think is the normal person.
Elon Musk
Okay, yes, literally you could go back 10 or 15 years and these are, these, these policies were completely normal. In fact, you, you. One of the, one of the tricks I think is funny, I think that's quite funny, is to like take a speech from Obama and Hillary and then, and then go to someone and say, who's sort of, you know, on the, sort of what I call the lunatic left and say, what do you think of the speech by Trump? Like, oh, wow, he's the worst person ever. Actually that was a speech by Obama. Or actually that was a speech by Hillary.
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No, I agree that the center of gravity in this country has shifted.
Clay Travis
Certainly the Democratic Party shifted to the left.
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But that's not what I'm talking about.
Clay Travis
I'm talking about people like Rupert Lowe cringe.
Buck Sexton
Right?
Elon Musk
Please, people. It's actually just normal people.
Clay Travis
I like that he keeps hammering it, by the way. It's just normal people, they want to talk about other things. Clay. But actually normal people do agree on this.
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I also feel, and I don't know if you feel this way too, the power of trying to silence someone by saying you're racist is just over. And Elon Musk, this left wing reporter, tries to say, well, people, first of all people say, I hate when people use questions and say. Some people say, some might say, give me a specific person who is saying it. But she says people say that you're racist. Cut five. Elon Musk responds.
Clay Travis
People say that you're a racist. What is the motivation for doing.
Elon Musk
My partner is she's half Indian and my wife and I have four children with her. You know, one of them was named after a famous Indian physicist. So I would say I'm not racist. And also the, you know, if you look at the people that are employed at my companies, you know, we have senior executives of all races. There's, there's, I don't think there's any racism there.
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I just think the fact that what you're starting to see in Buck. I like this one too, because it to me echoed what Sophie Cunningham said and frankly, what I felt for a long time. Asked why people don't like him. First of all, like, where do we ever live in a world where everyone should love you? If you're opinionated, everybody doesn't have to love you. And that's okay.
Clay Travis
Like, I mean, imagine she sat down with Kamala Harris.
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Yes.
Clay Travis
And one of her questions was, a lot of people think you're incredibly stupid. How do you react to that? Because that's true. You could ask that. But I like that Elon responds to this with the disdain that it deserves. A lot of people don't like you. What does it they don't know him.
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Yeah.
Clay Travis
And what they think about him that they don't like isn't even true. So what a dumbass question from some fancy pants lady who grew up rich in the UK and now wants to pretend that they haven't completely sold out the British and American civilization by opening the borders to people who come here and then exploit who come here and then are lawless.
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Here it is. Cut six. But I think this is a good response in general. I mean, it's social media. You put anything on social media, people get in the mentions and they're angry. And I think a lot of people out there who are listening to us, you've probably experienced it on Facebook or Instagram or Twitter. You post something that you think is relatively innocuous and immediately YouTube come subscribe for us. People want to argue with you strangers out there reacting to what you might say here is Elon responding to that? I think in a pretty healthy way. Cut. Sick.
Clay Travis
I mean, some people do loathe you.
Elon Musk
Yes, some people do.
Clay Travis
But do you understand why do you think what you're doing is helpful for Western.
Elon Musk
Maybe, Maybe some people do loathe me and that's probably true. I don't care. But the fact that as you pointed out, a quarter billion people follow me is that I think a lot more people actually like me than don't. And I think a lot more people hate you and the media more than you realize.
Clay Travis
I think that's completely true, by the way.
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It's a good pivot too, by the way.
Elon Musk
Yeah.
Clay Travis
I mean, the Economist is full of smug people with very little to show for their many, many years of propping up sort of left wing internationalism and multilateralism and all this. It's not actually something that they should be particularly proud of. It's really very much like the New York Times coasting on a previously snooty and erudite reputation that is not really, was never really deserved and particularly not deserved in an era where they pretend like these aren't problems. Also, Clay, we didn't even, I don't think we got into this. We could pull this. She said things that are. Because I really watched this interview and I, you know, I thought Elon just did fantastically well in the whole thing. She said there's not a, she said there's not a single city in America that is safer than London. The first city that came to mind for me when I'm thinking about a safe city, by the way, a very large safe city was San Antonio. London is twice the crime rate, twice the crime rate of San Antonio, Texas. That's just one city that I happen to check on. So when she says things like there's not a single city in America, not only there are a lot of cities in America that are safer than London, there are a lot of cities that are really, I mean, there are cities that are large that have over a million people that are safer than London.
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I would also point out the overall murder rate in the United States is collapsing yet again. And I think in your home state of Florida, the murder rate in Miami is, I believe, tiny. I thought I saw the other day. Team, will you look this up? That Orlando has zero unsolved murders so far this year. I mean, it's an extraordinary degree of safety in the state of Florida. But the is actually this morning I was reading an Axios and I flagged it because again, it's a pretty, pretty extraordinary story. Homicides are on track buck to hit their lowest rate in more than 125 years because last year was the lowest murder rate ever. The 30 largest city so far this year are showing a nearly 20% additional drop in murders off of the all time low that was set this year. Listen to this, buck. Carjacking's down 51% since 2019. Robberies down 41%. Homicides down 31%. Gun assaults down 17%. Sexual assaults down 13%. Domestic violence, aggravated assault also down. That's all according to Axios. One thing that you never hear anymore, you know what's occurred as the murder rate has collapsed, the number of people with guns has skyrocketed in this country. You don't hear very many people arguing anymore. You know that phrase gun violence, which completely takes out all individual responsibility for the violence they've tried to turn it into. Oh, gun violence. Oh, the gun shot someone with no one else. The number of guns on the streets has never been higher. Yet the overall murder rate and violent crime rate is collapsing to the lowest level since the 1800s.
Clay Travis
But I thought that's all really important data for our perspective. But also Clay, here's a woman from the. She's the editor in chief of the Economist. So you know, put her right alongside the editor in chief of the New York Times, the editor in chief of the Washington Post. And she's a fancy British lady who went to public, which is their version of private school all through her life. The whole thing, she has the accent, all this and she's telling Ellen that he is misinformed while she is saying things that are flatly untrue about her own country. For example, when she's talking about how there's not a single city. As I said, that's just not, that's not true. There were 13,994 knife related offenses in London in 2025. Clay. 13,000, basically. 14,000. 14,000 knife crimes, stabbings, robberies, et cetera. You know, people that are possessing the weapon illegally, all of these things. That's a 154 knife enabled offenses per 100,000 people in London. She ignores this data to talk about how London's so safe and everything's fine because she's a rich lady who lives in rich areas and goes to her country home and appears on, you know, American television and has no idea what the hell. But isn't it interesting she's there to lecture Elon about. He doesn't see reality, but she has no idea what she's talking about.
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Elon Musk
The.
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I thought that he did a really good job in this interview. It's A cover story in the Economist. Buck, little bit of a preview. I think Elon is setting the table to merge Tesla and SpaceX. I think that might even happen before the end of the year, which would create the largest company in the history of the world, even more so than what he's already built. And that's what also kind of stood out to me. Why is he doing an interview with the Economist? What's he setting the table for? We got some interesting AI quotes from him too that I thought were intriguing. But I want to tell you, you know, if Elon merges SpaceX and Tesla, you know what that's going to do? It's going to get a lot of lawyers, a lot of money. Because I bet Elon money, Elon Musk's top lawyers, I bet they are billing $5,000 or more per hour. That's the top echelon lawyers that are the most highly paid, the most highly compensated. You know why? He pays $5,000 an hour, maybe more. Some of these guys now are getting $10,000 an hour. It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen. I'm a lawyer too, and I can't believe these guys are getting paid because he wants the absolute best legal representation. Probably can't afford a thousand, two thousand, five thousand, ten thousand dollars an hour. Hardly any of us can. But if you need to fight, you need the best lawyers that you can find for normal people. That's why we founded clay travislaw.com nationwide. Best lawyers that can represent you anywhere you go, to the website, fill it out and we will get back to you quickly, let you know. Hey, can we take care of you? Can we put you in touch with the best possible lawyers out there? Clay travis law.com you can save it in your phones, you can write it down. Never know when you're going to need it. Clay travis law.com you need the lawyers that can fight for you up against those high paid attorneys from all of these great huge companies that are going to pay massive amounts of money. We need the best legal representation out there. Clay travislaw.com is that website. I've been a lawyer for over 20 years putting you in touch with the best lawyers out there. Clay travis law.com laugh, learn and hang with the guys. Clay and Buck preset on the iHeart app.
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Welcome back in Clay and Buck. I think this is interesting. We were talking about Elon's big talk with this. The. With the economist. This to me was super intriguing. Buck elon talking about AI and what the impact may well be. Cut 7.
Elon Musk
I may exceed the sum of human intelligence in about. In around five years. Roughly five years is my guess. So there really won't be anything that AI can't do better than humans. Apart from being human, perhaps.
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Okay, and then cut 8. All roads are leading to the acceleration of AI Listen, for the longest time
Elon Musk
I declined to participate in AI or which, you know. You know, created OpenAI as a. Essentially a counterweight to Google. Because at the time they were more or less a monopoly on AI in creating OpenAI. And then having anthropic spin out of that and now currently anthropics leader in AI. I mean these actions have actually resulted in knock on effects that accelerated AI, which wasn't really my intention. So it just seems like all roads lead to acceleration of AI. So then I'm like okay, well you can just sort of be sad about it or join the club.
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So again, the biggest question that's out there, Buck, is what is the impact from a business perspective going to be from it for AI? I got a theory that's a little bit maybe on the downside here. I actually think it may be a lot like the Internet in that we could end up way overbuilt with data centers as data gets cheaper and much. Anyway, I'll give you that theory when we come back and you can tell me if you think it's a crazy one.
Clay Travis
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Yeah. So this is my theory, and I'm. I'm curious if you will sign off or if you think there's any legitimacy to it. A lot of talk about data centers, lots of cost. About, as we talked about yesterday, the energy use that data centers require. Water. And you pointed out that it's still a pin prick. Compared to what? Golf courses, for instance, across.
Clay Travis
Don't mess with people's golf courses, buddy. You want to. You want to see older, older guys with disposable income and time on their hands get ticked off. Don't mess with their golf courses.
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I will say that the growth of AI data centers has destroyed all the talk about how we have to limit energy use and everything else. Right. It's just all kind of vanished. But if you remember, and I'm sure many of you out there do, the rollout of the Internet. I was in college when I got my first email address, Buck. I never had a computer at home. We didn't have the Internet at home. When I went off to college in 1997, I remember getting my first email address and being blown away as a college kid with what the Internet was capable of doing and how awesome it was. And if you remember, there was a company called. You may remember this. I'm sure some of you will. It's a company called Global Crossing. Now, there are a lot of different companies out there. Pets.com is one of the Ones that people remember. If you put a.com in your email, in your business plan back in the day, your stock would skyrocket the next day. Not dissimilar in some ways to AI today. And the idea behind Global Crossing was they were going to be basically the pipes that carried the Internet, the micro, the fiber that would be laid everywhere that would allow the Internet to be to be carried. And the idea was this is the way to guarantee that you make money because you won't know. And the truth of the matter is the Amazon.coms of the world ended up devouring much of our economy, right in a very positive way. Shipping and AI and everything else there. But everybody said the safest bet you could have is Global Crossing because you're going to be the wires that just
Clay Travis
the infrastructure of the Internet.
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The infrastructure, yes.
Clay Travis
And unfortunately not to jump to the end of Clay's tale here, which is very true and worth remembering, there was a massive overbuilding of broadband telecommunications infrastructure right around 2000 leading into the crash. Instead of waiting to see how much we needed as we went, people just started laying this stuff everywhere. Massive amounts of borrowing and revenue couldn't keep up because we actually didn't need as much Internet broadband as they thought at that time.
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So my question for people out there, history doesn't usually repeat. It rhymes oftentimes are at least in
Clay Travis
the dot com bubble.
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Just to be sorry. That's what led to the dot com bubble because and by the way, the Internet ended up having a truly transformative impact on society at large. Everybody who told you the Internet was going to change everything was right, but we overbuilt and there was a crash associated with it. I'm just putting it out there. Is AI compute the overall data centers that we're building, is it possible that it's going to cost much less to than what people anticipate and the economy is getting overheated on AI much like it did with the Internet. Would you buy or sell? The Global Crossing example is a fascinating one because you could have been 100% right about the impact of the Internet and how transformative it was going to be. And that company went From I think $50 billion to bankrupt in the space of a couple of years. I'm wondering what's going to happen, could that repeat itself with AI?
Clay Travis
Well, there's definitely right now one of the reasons we're thinking about this, it's summer. This stuff tends to happen in the summer. You tend to have a sell off a little bit in the market. It's going to happen. But between the energy situation right now, global oil and natural gas, but you have not only continued instability in the Strait of Hormuz, you also now have the Bab Al Mandab Strait, which is on the other side of the Arabian Peninsula. You have that also now as a chokepoint of sorts, because the Houthis of Yemen, on behalf of Iran, are now using drones and trying to, you know, cause havoc for ships. Remember, they don't have to blow up a supertanker. They just have to make ships feel unsafe and get the insurance rates to skyrocket to cause. Cause really serious problems. So, Clay, you've got that going on. You've also got a sense that maybe the AI surge, that has been the reason the economy, at least from a market perspective, has been doing as well as it has. That is leading ahead of some of the benefits that you and I are expecting from all of this. Yes, a little bit. This is why the Internet analogy, I think, is sticking out in a lot of people's minds. Because, okay, you have email. That's an efficiency. That's. But you were still quite a ways away from being able to zoom in to your meeting at work, being able to order anything you want. Remember, it was just books to start out on Amazon. There was a lot that had to get done before. And we're a little ways away, I think, from some of the massive productivity. Well, I know we are. From some of the massive productivity increases that I will bring. And that might mean that there's a bit of a pullback in the investment. This is all one big way of saying things could get a little rocky here at an unfortunate time. For those who want this to always be a politics first show, which I think is really the mission handed down from Rush. Unfortunate timing for the midterms. If you have oil at $100 a barrel and you have a sense that the AI stock market sell off is happening a little bit, because like we've been saying, dude, this is going to affect truly everything, not just the sell off. I mean, the AI revolution. Go ahead.
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Yeah. No, no, I. This is also why timing. The stock market is virtually impossible. For those of you out there who, look, if you miss the wrong days, the number of people who say, hey, I'm gonna sell and you get out at the exact right time and then you buy back in at the exact right time is very difficult. It's hard to predict the future. Nobody.
Clay Travis
Nobody can do it.
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Exactly.
Clay Travis
Nobody can do it efficiently. Yeah.
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Over time, you're going to get 9 or 10% if you just stick to the S&P 500. Right. So I do think there's a little bit of an echo. And some of you are way smarter on AI than either Buck or myself are. Some of you probably are in the data center business. I do remember reading back in the day, the safest company to invest in was Global Crossing because you didn't have to pick the winners of the Internet. You didn't have to know back in 1999 that Amazon.com was going to end up being the Leviathan, that it did this Goliath that took over so much of retail in all facets across the world. And you could just buy the infrastructure and you end up buying the infrastructure. The cost of compute for the Internet collapsed. Buck, do you remember it used to be kind of expensive to get on the Internet. You would get certain hours of time when you got those discs. Well, you had a certain amount of time that you could actually be logged on to the Internet and your hours and then you had to buy more. And now, I mean, I don't even hear anybody talk hardly at all about what it costs to get on the Internet. It is comparatively very affordable. Remember how long it took to download a picture? You know, now you can download, you know, three hour movies almost instantaneously.
Clay Travis
The Internet. What people thought was going to come from the Internet, I would say circa 1997, 98, right around there. What they thought the Internet was going to do, generally speaking, was correct. But it really took, depending on what you're talking about, another 10, 15 years before it was seamless, ubiquitous. And all of that happened. And so that in the investment front ran the reality. And there could be some of that right now with AI, with these data centers, there could be some of that. Right. Remember Elon is trying to build, he's doing so many things, the data centers in low earth orbit.
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Yes.
Clay Travis
So where everyone's saying, how are we going to keep these things cool? Well, if they're in space, guess what? They're going to be cool. And I mean temperature wise, not just like, ooh, wow, nifty. Yeah.
Co-host (possibly a producer or analyst, name not specified)
Which, which again I think it, it has the potential to really kind of. Look, you want my optimistic, this is my take. You guys can steal it if you want to be optimist. It's the equivalent of chess. Remember when it was a big deal? Buck, you'll remember this. I don't know how much you played chess when you were a kid.
Clay Travis
Oh, I was a little chess. I was a little chess. Nerd. I wasn't very good, but I liked it when I was a kid.
Co-host (possibly a producer or analyst, name not specified)
Yeah, my kids, we got them all trained in chess. I think it's a good way to kind of get your br. It was a big deal when the computers were going to become smarter than the best human. When was Deep Blue, I think was the first computer program that was able to win, able to beat Bishop to night six. What has happened is chess is more popular than it's ever been in history and computers are infinitely better than humans. What really people want is the full extent of human excellence, not to watch two computers compete against each other in chess. Right. And so I think humanity arguably can become even more important in an AI age because ultimately humans want to connect with humans.
Clay Travis
I mean, and really for all of you, if you own a small business or you work at a small business, if you, you know, do work out of your home, if you think whatever industry you're in, everything from, you know, farming to trucking to plumbing to, you know, like accounting, everything is going to have. They're going to be inputs here that, that affect these things. And just here, Clay, I just asked for a list. I'll just give this real quick to give people a sense of what, what is, what is right now. Something from. What are things from AI that can help all of you listening? I mean now, not in five years, not we're not just like, oh, is AI going to cure this, this type of cancer? Which, God willing, I mean, that would be amazing, right? That, that may be a few years out or maybe even a decade out, but things that right now could affect in a positive way all of you AI agents that handle administrative work for people. So office workers, freelancers, business owners, everything gets faster. Everything becomes, you can find things faster, you can collate things faster, you can distribute things. That's one thing. Personalized AI tutoring and accelerated skill building. The skill set that you can develop from having an AI online tutor for a whole range of things is pretty incredible. Going to be able to give you everything from singing lessons to coding lessons to teaching you about ancient Babylon healthcare interactions and access. Clay. I think this is really one of the biggest ones. Diagnostics, radiology, I wouldn't go into radiology
Co-host (possibly a producer or analyst, name not specified)
as a professional, is a radiologist. And we've had this conversation about the degree to which it's going to be able to do so much of a better job.
Clay Travis
Yeah, I mean, you're probably gonna have radiologists kind of overseeing the AI tools at least for a 5 to 10 year stretch. I would say but, but for, for medical stuff right now, as I've told you, I've done this, I've put my blood work into grok and then just gone after. What about this? What about this? Elevated, this lower that. It's incredible what it can tell you. It'll always say talk to your doctor. It knows more than my doctor. I hate to say that but you know, in my, my, I'm just speaking about my doctor. My doctor doesn't sit there for 30 minutes and answer every question that I want before I'm being shooed out of the room until better customer service experience and then reduced cognitive load and time cost of driving. That's what we talked about with the autonomous driving situation or you know, the full self drive from Tesla and other things. These are all things that are happening right now. Guys. This is going to give you hours and hours of your life back. Use these tools. It will give you hours of your life back. And if you don't use them, your competitors will and they're free. These are free tools basically. I mean you can get sort of paid versions, but they're out there.
Co-host (possibly a producer or analyst, name not specified)
By the way, we got some breaking news we'll hit that's called the tease buck. The first four states of the Democrat primary season in 2028 have been selected. First four selected, not the order they're gonna go in yet, but the first four, what are they? We will tell you. We don't do these teases very often but that sounds like what we will tell you when we come back. In the meantime, I've got rapid radios and it makes a tremendous difference no matter where you are across the country. You can get a great deal right now on rapid radios as well and you can get hooked up in a significant way. What are they? What kind of offer do they have out there right now? Rapid radios allows you to connect with anyone anywhere across the US on their nationwide LTE network. Push a button, talk instantly over thousands of miles. Crystal clear audio, 100% private, 256 bit encryption. No one can listen in. You don't sign a contract, no monthly fees, reasonable annual renewal fee. They work nationwide. We've got them. We let my 11 year old run around with it. He doesn't have a phone yet. We've also got them in my mother in law's house so that she can be able to get in touch with us because she doesn't always have the best usage with her cell phone. So this is turned on, it's ready to go. And right now when you buy two radios, you get one completely free. You buy four, you get two free. You buy six, you get three free. How do you get hooked up? Rapidradios.com bundle that's rapidradios.com bundle one more time. Rapidradios.com bundle preset your pals Clay and Buck on the iHeart app.
Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
All right.
Co-host (possibly a producer or analyst, name not specified)
It is reported that still the battle over who will be first comes down to South Carolina and Nevada. But Buck, that is hot off the presses. Michigan, they, they do it by region. They wanted one in the Northeast, one in the Midwest, one in the south, one in the West. So in no particular order, Michigan, South Carolina, New Hampshire, Nevada. What does this mean? What are the big takes? We will tell you. By the way, Ann Coulter joining us at the top of the next hour.
Clay Travis
The live stream about to get spicy. Send us some of your Coulter questions. We'll throw them out to her in real time. But be nice, be nice.
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Clay Travis
that guy every day and twice on Sunday.
Co-host (possibly a producer or analyst, name not specified)
So there you go, Ann Coulter next. Thanks for hanging out with us.
Clay Travis
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What?
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Clay Travis
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Episode: Hour 1 - Elon Slaps Down Snooty Journalist
Date: July 24, 2026
Podcast by: iHeartPodcasts
In this lively Friday episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dissect Elon Musk’s headline-making interview with The Economist’s Editor-in-Chief, highlighting themes of media elitism, shifting political labels, immigration, Western values, and the impending influence of artificial intelligence. The hosts underscore Elon's pushback against being branded "far right," critique the mainstream press, and extrapolate the broader societal debates brewing in the US and UK. They close with a detailed exploration of the AI "gold rush" and market parallels to the early days of the Internet.
Elon Musk branded as "far right": The Economist’s editor suggests Musk is enabling the "far right," prompting Musk to push back.
Musk's response:
"My political views are centrist, they're not far right...calling it far right I think is an insult to history, an insult to many peoples. And it is an outrageous falsehood. It's completely absurd."
— Elon Musk [04:43]
On immigration and Western values:
"There need to be secure borders...if there's a long term growth of people who do not or in some cases are adamantly opposed to Western values, you are setting yourself up for civil war. This is obvious. A child can see this. But this is not a right wing view. I'm simply stating reality."
— Elon Musk [04:43]
Clay Travis on Musk’s immigration view:
"[Bringing] in millions of people without any care at all as to whether they one, come legally, two, have any affinity for our culture, our history, our language, our people...is a slow moving suicide."
— Clay Travis [05:41]
Shifting political landscape:
"[Elon's views] were considered very middle of the road opinions for much of our lives until we ended up in this world where suddenly everything gets classified as far right opinions."
— Co-host [06:13]
Elon Musk mockingly reframes the term:
"No, I support the normal people. What you call the far right falsely, these policies were completely normal 10 or 15 years ago. One of the tricks I think that's quite funny is to take a speech from Obama and Hillary...give it to someone on the lunatic left and say it was Trump. They'd go, 'He's the worst person ever.' Actually, that was Obama. Or that was Hillary."
— Elon Musk [07:18]
“The Economist is full of smug people with very little to show for their many, many years of propping up sort of left wing internationalism and multilateralism and all this. It's not actually something that they should be particularly proud of."
— Clay Travis [11:34]
Responding to accusations of racism and unpopularity:
"My partner is half Indian, and my wife and I have four children with her...we have senior executives of all races...I don't think there's any racism there."
— Elon Musk [08:55]
Dealing with being disliked:
"Maybe some people do loathe me and that's probably true. I don't care. But...a quarter billion people follow me...I think a lot more people actually like me than don't. And I think a lot more people hate you and the media more than you realize."
— Elon Musk [11:09]
Debunking claims about US safety: The Economist editor claims there isn't a single US city safer than London.
Hosts’ rebuttal:
"London is twice the crime rate of San Antonio, Texas. That's just one city I checked on."
— Buck Sexton [12:35]
On crime stats:
"The overall murder rate in the United States is collapsing yet again...the 30 largest cities so far this year are showing a nearly 20% additional drop in murders off the all time low that was set this year."
— Co-host [12:49]
Media elitism and ignorance:
"She’s telling Ellen that he is misinformed while she is saying things that are flatly untrue about her own country...14,000 knife related crimes in London in 2025."
— Buck Sexton [14:41]
"Elon is setting the table to merge Tesla and SpaceX. I think that might even happen before the end of the year, which would create the largest company in the history of the world."
— Co-host [16:14]
Musk’s prediction on AI development:
"AI may exceed the sum of human intelligence in...roughly five years...there really won't be anything that AI can't do better than humans. Apart from being human, perhaps."
— Elon Musk [20:51]
Acceleration of AI:
"I created OpenAI as a counterweight to Google...these actions have actually resulted in knock on effects that accelerated AI, which wasn’t really my intention...all roads lead to acceleration of AI."
— Elon Musk [21:12]
Market speculation vs. infrastructure realities:
"We ended up massively overbuilding the infrastructure for the Internet in 2000...the same thing could be happening with AI data centers now."
— Clay Travis & Co-host [27:33]
Investment lessons:
"You could have been 100% right about the impact of the Internet...and that company [Global Crossing] went from $50 billion to bankrupt in the space of a couple of years...could that repeat itself with AI?"
— Co-host [28:08]
How AI can help right now:
“If you don't use them, your competitors will, and they're free. These are free tools basically.”
— Clay Travis [36:53]
Humanity in the AI age:
"What really people want is the full extent of human excellence, not to watch two computers compete against each other in chess."
— Co-host [34:34]
2028 Democratic Primary:
NBA News:
Elon Musk:
"I support the normal people. Okay. What you call the far right falsely, you think is the normal person...these policies were completely normal [10–15 years ago]." [07:18]
Buck Sexton (on crime rates and media):
"London is twice the crime rate of San Antonio, Texas...There are a lot of cities in America that are safer than London." [12:35]
Clay Travis:
"[On hypersensitivity to public hate] Imagine she sat down with Kamala Harris...and asked, 'A lot of people think you’re incredibly stupid. How do you react to that?'...What a dumbass question." [09:44]
On AI’s future:
"I may exceed the sum of human intelligence in about five years...there really won't be anything that AI can't do better than humans." – Elon Musk [20:51]
On investment parallels:
"The cost of compute for the Internet collapsed...I'm just putting it out there—Is AI compute...going to cost much less than what people anticipate and the economy’s getting overheated on AI much like it did with the Internet?" [27:32, 28:08]
The episode is marked by the hosts’ signature blend of sharp critique, humor, and cultural commentary. They use direct language—sometimes irreverent, often confrontational—especially toward perceived elite snobbery in the press and establishment. The running discussions blend real-time news with big-picture cultural analysis, always with an eye toward their conservative-leaning audience.
Elon Musk’s interview with The Economist becomes a springboard for Clay and Buck to champion "normal" Western values, mock media elitism, and dissect the political labeling wars. They underscore Musk’s points about border security, cultural assimilation, and the shifting “center,” while highlighting the disconnect between journalistic elites and reality.
The hosts detail AI’s rapid evolution—with both optimism and caution—and warn of investment bubbles reminiscent of the dot-com era. The episode also features stats debunking claims about US violent crime and closes with breaking news on the 2028 Democratic primary and the NBA.