Buck Sexton (2:41)

You see some photos posted, you'll see that, yes, the hair is genetic. He's got a great head of hair for 78.

Producer Alley (2:48)

I was about to say, as I said that, am I going to go over two right off the top? Is this a big surprise birthday celebration? And I was going to get the day wrong and blow the surprise all within the space of a minute, but I do not think that I may have managed to do that.

Buck Sexton (3:01)

Nope. Getting it done.

Producer Alley (3:03)

All right.

Buck Sexton (3:03)

Well done, sir. We got a big show to do. We got a big show. We're two radio professionals with a fantastic show to do, Clay.

Producer Alley (3:09)

And it's possible I'll even know what day it is by the time we finish. All right. Bunch of things to get into here. Russiagate has exploded more of the internal documents released by Dni Tulsi Gabbard. We will discuss what we think is happening there. Tons of attention in Idaho, the courtroom where Bryan Kohberger, this murderer of four innocent college kids, he agreed to plead guilty. Uh, it does not appear, unfortunately, we'll get into this a little bit, that he is going to explain anything about exactly what went on there. Uh, as part of his plea deal, he avoids the death penalty, but there does not seem to be any requirement that he addresses the families and explain the entirety of what went on with this story. It's an awful story. We've talked about it some over the past several years. The victim impact statements currently underway live on television, being covered on Fox News and other networks. So we will talk some about that case. Our friend Sunny Hostin at the View says that Stephen Colbert threat being fired threatens the Constitution. We will likely have some fun with the dumbest show on television.

Buck Sexton (4:25)

Can we. Producer Alley, you know, we never. We don't ever pitch ourselves for shows because, you know, people ask us, because that's nice. Just reach out to whatever contact you can find at the View and say that Clay and Buck would love to come hang with the ladies one day. We got it. We got to offer this up. We got to offer this up.

Producer Alley (4:39)

I would. It's the number one show that I would most like to go on, because I think all of you would enjoy the fireworks that would ensue, especially because they have a live studio audience. Uh, but we start off with the continuing fallout. Obama issued a statement yesterday evening saying, I have no idea what Trump is talking about. Basically, I haven't done anything wrong. Um, and I. I do think that we talked about this yesterday, and I am open to being told that I am wrong, as I always am. I've been married for 20 years. 800-282-2882 but my question for you guys is this for people who want to weigh in. I believe that the 2016 Russia collusion lies definitely were intentional. I think they were built as a way to delegitimize Trump on taking office. I think the media took it and ran with it, hook, line and sinker. And in that mind, let me play this flashback just to take you back. For those of you who have forgotten to what 2017 television news sounded like. This is cut for Russia.

Buck Sexton (5:49)

Hacking the election to elect Trump is the end of our democracy. Votes were definitely affected. Russia hacked the election to tilt it to Mr. Trump.

Producer Alley (5:56)

The Russians definitively hacked the election.

Buck Sexton (5:59)

Russia did hack the election. No doubt. The Russians hacked the election. Yes. Russia hacked the election.

Producer Alley (6:06)

Fact.

Buck Sexton (6:06)

Russia hacked the election.

Producer Alley (6:08)

President Elect Donald Trump still not sounding convinced that Russia hacked the election.

Buck Sexton (6:13)

If we find out that Donald Trump just theoretically was colluding with Russia while they were hacking the election, that is completely impeachable. This dossier alleged a conspiracy between the.

Producer Alley (6:23)

Trump campaign and the Russian effort to hack the election. The Director of National Intelligence, the head of the National Security Agency, the head of the FBI, all of these intelligence experts saying Russia hacked the election.

Buck Sexton (6:35)

The FBI, the CIA, the nsa, the former Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, I mean, they've all said this. So to believe that that's wrong, you.

Producer Alley (6:42)

Have to believe they're all involved in.

Buck Sexton (6:44)

An elaborate conspiracy to get Donald Trump, which seems a little far fetched to me.

Producer Alley (6:50)

Okay, so they said that they hacked the election. They intentionally, as I said, they're so good about language because they'll say, well, there's a lot of ways that the election could be hacked. They hacked Hillary Clinton's cell phone. That doesn't mean that they hacked into the vote totals and changed them. That doesn't mean that hack doesn't mean necessarily that they change the outcome of the election. Hacked is a broad verb that they are going to use aggressively here. But I just, I think a lot of people, and Buck, you can sign on or sign off of this opinion. I think a lot of people are getting fired up believing that there are going to be major consequences. Now, what is it? Nine years after much of this happened, eight years after much of this happened. And I'm just here to tell you, I don't think you're going to see charges of anybody in a position of power now, do you? Would you agree with that in general.

Buck Sexton (7:47)

That I've already said that from the beginning. I mean, this is, I don't, I keep asking friends of mine. I mean, I'll tell you this. I have spoken to MAGA lawyer friends of mine, not who work for the administration, but are as pro Trump as anybody, as pro Trump as any of you. Ok. I mean, I have a few, I have a few friends in particular lawyers, and they are, wow, they love Trump. And I said, forget about what you should do for a second ethically here, whether you should bring the charge or not. Tell me how you could bring the charge.

Producer Alley (8:17)

I think that's the real question.

Buck Sexton (8:19)

Yep, that's what I keep coming to. And I've said deprivation of rights, but I think the statute on that may be a problem. Statute of limitations. I've said there's some others who say maybe seditious conspiracy. I think the statute on that could be a problem. And you have to look at these things. We have all these different tripwires, so to speak, that are in the system already and you'd have to get around those to try to get any justice at the time. And as you've already discussed, look, I promise you, Barack Obama is not spending a minute in jail, nor is he even going to be prosecuted by any federal authority. That's not going to happen. Okay? So I wish that, you know, there had been justice, but there was not. I said this about Benghazi people, remember, oh, Hillary Clinton, she, she's going to go to prison. No, actually she ended up being the Democrat nominee after Benghazi. People got very mad at me. But I'm pretty good at seeing where this stuff is going. So, yes, Clay, you and I are in agreement that it is very unlikely. If we're wrong, we'll come on and say it. That doesn't mean we shouldn't know it, though. There's the political, and that's the other part of this. There's the political calculus, which I think also applies to all the Biden dementia cover up stuff. The political calculus is, wow, look at how dishonest these Democrats really were on Russia collusion. Part of the problem, Clay, I think is for people like you and me who have been, who followed it for a long time previously, there's nothing that's going to come out that surprises me. If John Brennan as CIA director sent an email to the Obama principals, which would be, you know, the top people in the Obama cabinet saying, hey guys, Russia collusion's faked, but man, this is going to really mess up the Trump administration. I would say. Yeah, of course. I mean, there's not. There's nothing that can come out. I already know that that's what they were doing. So now you get to. Will you have any proof of it? I mean, any criminal indictments? I think probably not. But it is good for people to know the extent of the con.

Producer Alley (10:14)

To me, we're basically writing a history book so that people can understand what actually happened. Let me ask you this, you've worked in intelligence a long time. Obama is now not using the word hacked, they're using the word manipulate. How many elections in the lives of everybody out there listening right now do you think Russia or the Soviet Union or the ussr, whatever group you want to call them, has attempted to manipulate that have occurred in the United States? My argument, I want to hear your. My argument would be every single one. They have tried to manipulate the outcome in some way of every election that has occurred in the lives of anybody out there listening. So the idea that they tried to turn this to an unprecedented level of Russian success and a Russian attempt, I just don't buy it. You don't think in the Cold War that Russia was trying to manipulate everything they could relating to American politics.

Buck Sexton (11:10)

Oh, the Soviet Union was funding. First of all, the Soviet Union was running communist spies at very high levels of the United States government. That is a fact. Another fact. Nixon was an anti communist hero. Stop believing the Watergate. You know, Deep Throat, oh my gosh, Woodward and Bernstein. Nixon's the worst person ever. Nixon was actually really good on anti communism because there were absolutely high level communist penetrations of the United States government. And guess who they always were going to? Democrats. Guess where they were always finding sympathetic ears? Labor unions. Guess where they were always looking to exploit divisions in this country. Race politics. The Soviet Union was doing this for decades. And the thing is, it was always the Democrat Party that was the entry point for those communist manipulations of our system. So we don't get taught this in school, but the record is quite clear. The Venona project is quite clear. You can go check that one out. Secret for decades, letting us know how high level the secret program letting us know how high level the communist penetrations of the United States government were. So also go read Witness by Whitaker Chambers, a book that far more people should have read and be familiar with. So I throw all this out there, Clay, because yeah, of course there's efforts to involve, you know, think of all the NGOs around the world. Think of all the different heads of state who weigh in publicly in the media saying they want this or that. Candidate in the United States, what happens all the time. So the idea that Russia had figured out some ingenious way to skew a multi billion dollar media, you know, media frenzy in this country in terms of the spending with 100 grand on Facebook, is completely insane. But as I've said, it really is a. It's a lie of degree that they were engaged in. Right. So if I tell somebody, you know, Clay, if I tell somebody that I've poured a glass of boiling water in the ocean, I could say that I've. I've attempted to change the temperature of the ocean. That would be. That would be an honest statement. It's insane because you would never be able to register it, but you could say that there was an attempt made to change the temperature of the ocean. And that's essentially what they did with these Facebook ads and with the intelligence community review. They took something so insignificant that no person could think that it matters, or it would be like saying, clay, Clay, have you ever jaywalked? Have you ever jaywalked before, Clay?

Producer Alley (13:36)

Yes.

Buck Sexton (13:36)

Yeah. So Clay has just admitted to breaking the law. Should I just refer to Clay Travis as a criminal from now on? I've also jaywalked. Should I refer to myself as a criminal from now on? It's a lie of degree, a lie of severity, and that's what they did with Russia, collusion from the start.

Producer Alley (13:52)

Okay? So I think the significance here is you can correct the historic record. You can further delegitimize the legacy media who took this swill and treated it as if it were the honest truth. You could maybe investigate whether there were classified documents that were improperly leaked. We know that that is typically a very case to make. I think that ultimately people out there who are expecting, hey, we're going to get Obama perp walked. We're going to get Hillary Clinton held accountable and arrested for her misdeeds. We're going to get Clapper, Comey, whoever you want to point to in the larger intelligence community. I don't think any of them are going to get charged with crimes. Now, could I be wrong? Yes. You are open to tell me where I am wrong, but I don't want this to turn into a Lucy and Charlie Brown type situation. I don't want this to be the flip side of when every time a new story came out about Trump for the last decade, everybody on the left said, we've got him now. Oh, we finally got him. And he was always Charlie. I mean, they were always Charlie Brown running up and Lucy pulled away the Football at the last possible moment.

Buck Sexton (15:10)

I mean, and then take, you can take it even a step further, Clay, with, with just the process problems. Let's say there's a statute they want to use and a prosecutor, we all know the old can indict a ham sandwich. Maybe a prosecutor will find some way to do this. You're going to bring the case. You have to bring the case in D.C. or else the whole thing will look incredibly rigged. You're going to get a D.C. jury to indict. First of all, Obama, totally off limits was the president. That's not happening. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just lying to you. Okay, that's not happening. But even someone like John Brennan, you think a D.C. jury is going to say, yeah, let's throw this old guy in prison because he thought he was. I'm thinking from their perspective, he thought he was defending the republic by standing up to Donald Trump. You think any D.C. jury is going to. It's just not going to happen. So it's important to set the record straight. It's important the American people know because of the political questions at issue here. But legally speaking, I think there's a high hurdle. And if I'm wrong on this, you know, you can blame my nonexistent law degree.

Producer Alley (16:08)

Well, if I'm wrong on it, you can definitely blame, blame my law degree in person. But I think you're 100% right. There's no way they're going to indict in the District, the, the, the District of Columbia in Democrat officials. I mean, it's almost impossible, I think, on behalf of Trump. Could I be wrong?

Buck Sexton (16:23)

Sure.

Producer Alley (16:24)

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Buck Sexton (19:33)

All right, welcome back in to Clay and Buck. Appreciate you being here with us. Lines are open 800-282-2882. I've got the trip to New York coming up so I got birthday on my mind for my dad and be seeing my family, which is very exciting. But we want to take some calls here and dive into some more of the news. I'm dialing in here. I'm getting focused on everything. We got to talk back. BB Cliff in California, who listens on KFBK radio. Hit it. This is Cliff in California. And I just got to say, if you guys end up on the View, that is the one thing I can currently, currently think of that would make me want to actually watch that stupid show. So I encourage this to happen. Well, I don't like this happen, but I don't think it'll ever happen either. However. However, you never know. The show stinks. They need help. We would. It would go viral. And you and I would be very charming to the ladies. We would dismantle their arguments and make them look foolish, but we would be charming, we'd be very friendly. While pointing out that they know nothing, that they're poisoning the minds of their audience. So I think that this could really work out for all involved.

Producer Alley (20:43)

Yeah, look, Brandon, by the way, in Boise, Idaho wants to weigh in on what we were just talking about. The charges or non charges. Brandon, what you got for us?

Buck Sexton (20:54)

Hey, guys. The American people want to see something and we're sick and tired. Like, if Hillary and Obama literally did collude in treasonous acts, they need to go after them. And we're sick and tired of hearing. I mean, you had the whole Doge thing go on and all this fraud and abuse and corruption that was uncovered, and there's just nothing happening from any of it. It makes the American people just disgusted. We're sick of the talk. Let's do something.

Producer Alley (21:26)

Thank you for the call. I agree and understand the frustrations and we've talked about this. I just, I think what's more frustrating is believing that something is going to happen that doesn't happen. So I would love to be wrong. I would love for, to suddenly wake up and hear, hey, there's a ton of indictments that have been brought over Russia collusion. I'm just telling you, look at statute of limitations, you consider venue. I find it Obama's presidential powers, as we just saw with Trump, I find it highly improbable that it would occur.

Buck Sexton (21:58)

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Producer Alley (22:55)

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Buck Sexton (22:58)

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Producer Alley (22:59)

We're talking about the Russiagate revelations from Tulsi Gabbard inside of the intelligence community surrounding the 2016 election. Uh, we'll take some of your talkbacks here in a moment. But Buck, one of the aspects of this that is not getting a ton of attention is that Russia had determined that Hillary Clinton was not healthy. And if you remember that video that went viral in September, I believe, of 2016, right before the election when Hillary basically collapsed and had to be helped into the back of her suv, I know many of you will remember that, that she did not seem healthy at that point in time. She certainly has not maintained a crazy public schedule, one would say, since 2016. You remember that video?

Buck Sexton (23:48)

Well, oh yeah, she flopped into the back of the van and they were trying to hide it. But beyond that, clay, we now know beyond shadow of doubt, it is public record now, it is fact that Democrats will prop up a dementia patient who should be 25th Amendment ID out of office. So of course, if Hillary had severe health issues, hiding that from the American people, that's like table stakes. That's easy for them.

Producer Alley (24:15)

No doubt. And I do think as well that if Russia had desperately been trying to hack this election on behalf of Trump, wouldn't one of the top things you would have done is try to leak Hillary Clinton's health related issues which are included in some of this deep dive information that has come out. So I bring that up. Here is one pathway that I could see where we could have a resolution that might not be satisfying, but I think could attempt to hold people accountable. And this is me analyzing from a legal perspective, you could present information of a criminal nature to a D.C. grand jury seeking indictments, hoping to get them. If you did not get them, you could just say, hey, we did everything we could. D.C. protected Democrats again. I think a lot of people have not reckoned, reckoned on both sides, Democrats, Republicans, independents, everybody. With the precedents being set surrounding Trump when it comes to presidential powers, I am here to tell you, Barack Obama's presidential powers, 1 billion percent I believe, protect him when it comes to how he chose to analyze intelligence related data. So if Trump can't be charged for many of the things that they wanted to charge him with because for lack of a better way, the protective powers of the presidency almost act as a force shield that will cover many different aspects of his regular regulation. Getting intelligence briefings and analyzing them and interpreting them is certainly within the province of presidential powers. Buck, on your end, how many different interpretations of an intelligence issue do you think might exist inside of the CIA or the FBI on any given issue?

Buck Sexton (26:13)

One of the most stressful parts of the job of an intelligence analyst, other than making sure that the cappuccino machine is functioning properly, is something they call coordination. Where you have to with different agencies, it depends on the product. And this is getting very deep into, into the weeds. But you have to get sign off or some level of agreement on different assessments. Right. They'll call it an interagency products. You get all the, you know, dia, CIA, nsa. Do we all agree on this? And it is, to borrow a clay word, a donnybrook. A lot of the time I have seen adults in tears during those interagency meetings fighting over things because some, I mean that was during wartime and some of this stuff was really important. But I don't think anyone needed to get that emotional in a meeting discussing what's getting written down about it. But the, that's the reality of how much there's disagreement. And sometimes one agency will say they want essentially a footnote at the bottom saying we do not concur with this assessment. We see it differently. So of course you're, when you're talking about analysis that is meaningful, it's generally analysis of what will happen or what is likely to happen. And people aren't very good at predicting the future and often have big disagreements about that.

Producer Alley (27:29)

So I think a lot of people presume that there is one understood story that I think what you have to contemplate is that there are potentially 10 different arguments being made about what might have occurred. Just use what happened with Iran. We just had the bombing of the nuclear sites in Iran. Different agencies have different interpretations based on the data of what might happen. And inside of those agencies there's probably a divergence of opinion. My point on all that is Obama is going to be, I believe, clearly within his presidential powers to have believed that Russia hacked or manipulated the election in favor of Trump because there are enough signposts that he can point to and say, I'm not the intelligence gatherer. They bring me information and tell me what they think. And we took this interpretation. I think it's going to be very hard to charge him.

Buck Sexton (28:20)

There may. There may be some feeling of the process is the punishment goes both ways, perhaps because Democrats do this, judges do this to stop Trump. They know they're not going to get their way and they know what they're doing is wrong, but they do it anyway. There may be a little bit of that mentality behind bringing a charge of some kind against a federal indictment against some of the individuals from Russia collusion. That is possible to me, that that may happen in an effort to get justice, but I just think that it would come apart within the system at some level. That's where I'm. I'm just very confident you're not going to get a. A full conviction of anybody involved in Russia collusion that is currently being talked about as seen because of things like the statute of limitations, because of the statutory definitions involved. I don't. And because of the DC Jury pool, slash, dc DC Judges that would oversee this. I think it's just really hard. But maybe they try it anyway and maybe that's really what there is a push for. Right now. We're getting. I know we're getting a lot of emails and calls. People are angry. What do you mean? I'm not saying they should get away with it. I'm just saying I think, unfortunately, they're likely to continue to get away with it. But I could be wrong.

Producer Alley (29:39)

I think you have to analyze it legally and rationally, and as we told you, would likely be the case. What do we tell you? Hey, the South Florida case against Trump on classified documents, garbage. We told you that it was likely to get tossed, that it was within.

Buck Sexton (29:52)

They also said that there was zero chance Hunter Biden would spend a single day in prison. Zero chance. And people got a little bit huffy about that one. Remember that, Clay?

Producer Alley (30:01)

Yeah.

Buck Sexton (30:02)

Like, guys, his dad's the president. Will they bring charges? Sure. Clay actually nailed that one early. Well, they bring charges, sure. But is Joe Biden going to let his son go to federal prison? No.

Producer Alley (30:12)

We told you he would pardon. People said, well, he's saying he's not going to pardon. We were like, he's going to pardon.

Buck Sexton (30:16)

He's going to pardon.

Producer Alley (30:17)

What did he do at the last minute, by the way? There are some interesting. Actually tons of super interesting questions. Matt in Rockville, Maryland's got a good one, Matt. Fire away.

Buck Sexton (30:28)

Hey, guys. Yes. So one of the things that you're.

Producer Alley (30:31)

Talking about is getting an indictment in.

Buck Sexton (30:33)

D.C. well, you remember Eileen Cannon, the district judge in Florida. One of the reasons that she tossed out the case after the Mar A Lago raid was that Jack Smith and paneled a grand jury in D.C. to go after him in Florida, which makes zero sense. And another example, what they've done before is if you remember the guy who made the meme about voting for Hillary, Douglas Mackey. Douglas Mackey was tweeting from Florida. Where did they go after him? The Eastern District of New York. Why? The Twitter servers were in New York. So that's where they went after him and arrested him and put him on trial. So there are ways to go about doing this. And we're just, you know, so the shoes on the other foot now, guys, like, if you can do it, we can do it. Back to you.

Producer Alley (31:18)

Okay, so these are smart questions. And let me. What you're really hitting is venue. And every lawyer will tell you that one of the most significant things about any case is where it's located. And they actually have a term for it. It's called forum shopping. Where you go to a district or you go to a state or you go to a locality that you believe is far more likely to be favorable towards your perspective. Actually, where you file the race to jurisdiction can be a huge part of the story. This is getting into the weeds. The example that you cited is a good one, actually. In Florida, if you remember, Jack Smith actually started to prosecute Trump for classified document issues in D.C. that's where he empaneled the grand jury. Then I think he realized, oh, I should be doing this where Mar A Lago is located, and just picked up that entire process and tried to relocate it to Florida. Where the crime is committed is a huge part of the venue. I think you would be very hard, given Barack Obama lives in D.C. and given the president, by and large is located in Washington, D.C. for most of his time in office. I think it would be very hard to bring charges. Leave aside the presidential powers aspect. It would be very hard, I think, to bring charges against Barack Obama somewhere other than Washington, D.C. which is why I go to both presidential powers and then the grand jury. Do you think a grand jury that 95 or 98% voted Obama is going to indict Obama for crimes? I do not. Now, to your point, they could decide, hey, where could we go elsewhere? I think they would have a major venue issue and I think in the event there were charges brought, Obama would say, hey, this is clearly a DC Related circuit challenge and I think the courts would likely relocate that anything involving him back to D.C. but thank you.

Buck Sexton (33:16)

For the call, sir.

Producer Alley (33:17)

It's a smart question that he's asking. That gets into legal procedure wise.

Buck Sexton (33:22)

I would just say this is where we get into does the Trump administration decide that we are in an eye for an eye era of the doj, which I think our caller was also getting. He said, look, if they can do this to us, we can do this to them. That could be the case. So I would be far less surprised to see an indictment brought against, say, John Brennan. I'm not even sure what the statute would be currently, but let's just say they find a statute they're going to use. I would be far less surprised to see that happen and then than I would to see an actual trial with an actual jury convicting and there being some consequence beyond it. But the process is the punishment works both ways. That is what I am saying. So maybe that is the desire here.

Producer Alley (34:06)

If they brought charges against Obama, you would see a form of what happened when they brought charges against Trump. That is, Obama's attorneys would seek to dismiss the charges by arguing that all of his actions were within presidential powers. And ironically, after criticizing Trump. This is just giving you a preview of how this would go. After criticizing Trump and saying, oh, this is how dictators destroy our Constitution, Obama's attorneys would argue, entirely based on the Trump precedent, that he could not be prosecuted for anything that happened. Every president is going to use the Trump precedent to their advantage for the rest of our lives.

Buck Sexton (34:44)

Well, the problem that, the huge advantage that Democrats have and the problem that we have is that when you have no integrity to protect, you have a lot of latitude. It doesn't matter. It's true, you know, so if you're willing to just do whatever, which they are, that means there's always an option for you. So I could very much see a Democrat, any Democrat who's indicted, possibly under the Russia collusion, look back, just saying, well, we, in the case of Barack Obama specifically, we already handled this with presidential powers. Supreme Court that you guys all like so much already weighed in on this. Sorry, it's all, it's all over for you with that one. So, you know, we'll see.

Producer Alley (35:24)

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Producer Alley (39:48)

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Buck Sexton (39:50)

Hello.

Producer Alley (39:51)

Yeah. What you got for us? Hey, I look at, I look at.

Buck Sexton (39:55)

Obama from my previous job opportunities. I look him more as like a demigod, like Loki. It's more about just beating him. That's not about, to me put him in prison. It's as much as I know he's never gonna go because everything you all have actually said and everything you all know, it's about giving him a black.

Producer Alley (40:12)

Eye and give about the Democratic Party a black eye. I look, I don't disagree with the concept of, to me, the most relevant thing here is setting the historic record in place. And so in the future, people understand what happened in Trump 1.0. Look, I mean, there's still a lot of people who believe that Trump only won in 2016 because of Russia, and it was only because I think he won so significantly in 2024. That there hasn't been some allegation that he in some way had a rig job put in place as well. Joe in Miami, what you got for us?

Buck Sexton (40:49)

I just want to, I do agree with that. It could be another Lucy Charlie Brown situation, but just a spin on it that hasn't been pointed out. When they got Trump, they had the presidency on their side. They had half a Congress. They had the FBI, the CIA, the Justice Department and this court system with their venue, you know, picking the right venue, and they had media on their side. But however, this time, Trump has the presidency. He has all of Congress, FBI, CIA, Justice Department and the court system is going to be a battle. But he does have Fox, which is the number one show out there. And even though they had everything they had, they were only. They were able to throw him in jail and, and almost try to bankrupt him. Yeah, that we have more on our side. We should be able to do at least that. Maybe not throw them in jail, but at least bankrupt them and like you said, set history straight and ruin their life, hopefully and run them through the mill. You know, these are things we could do not to give up. But we have, I feel, more on our side and we have the truth. They did all this with just lies.

Producer Alley (41:58)

You're preaching to the choir, preacher. The choir. Here's the deal, and I'm telling you this as a lawyer. You have to find something to charge them with. Right. And it has to be within the statute of limitations and it has to be actionable based on the venue. That is what we have tried to focus on. What are the charges going to be? I thought maybe you could get them. I think, buck, you said 10 years on leaking intelligence document documents to the media, which we know happened. Those are tough cases to prove, but we know that they got information at the Washington Post, the New York Times, to be writing the stories that they did. I think the challenge you're going to find is the precedent Trump set when he won those Supreme Court cases is as long as you're acting arguably within your authority as president, it's almost impossible to criminally charge you. Obama would cite the Trump precedents now, ironically, to protect himself.

Buck Sexton (42:54)

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