Hour 1 - Get Out of Jail Free Card

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 1 – Get Out of Jail Free Card
Date: December 12, 2025
Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this high-energy, wide-ranging episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton gather in Miami fresh off a festive holiday party. The hosts break down several of the day’s most contentious headlines, focusing primarily on legal controversies involving high-profile political and sports figures, growing political polarization in the justice system, and the escalating culture war over gender ideology—particularly the latest provocative comments by Gov. Gavin Newsom. Infused with humor, honest takes, and personal anecdotes, this show guides listeners through the top stories with unfiltered conservative commentary.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Breaking Legal News: University of Michigan Football Coach Case

[02:34 – 06:21]

• Clay brings up the breaking story about Sharon Moore, recently fired University of Michigan football coach, potentially facing serious criminal charges involving a domestic incident.
  • The case involves allegations of a relationship with a subordinate, escalated threats involving a knife, and possible arraignment while on air.
  • Clay (03:15): “Just when you think college football… the stories just become unbelievable and insane as we break all that down.”
• Note: The case is evolving and the hosts promise further updates as it develops.

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2. The Politicization of Prosecutorial Power

[06:21 – 13:50]

• Clay and Buck dig into why it’s so difficult to get grand jury indictments against prominent Democrats (e.g., Letitia James) in blue jurisdictions, in stark contrast to the ready indictment of Republicans.
  • Clay (07:47): “One of the big challenges that Trump has faced… is there are… blue jurisdictions which… just will not indict. … They’re trying to indict their own team members.”
  • Buck suggests the problem is less legal acumen and more a reflection of a politically homogenous jury unwilling to “indict their own.”
    • Buck (08:41): “It is now all so political… some people are unwilling to disentangle the politics.”
    • Buck (09:12): “Letitia James… said, ‘I’m going to get [Donald Trump].’ … She brought a very clearly absurd political hit job civil case against Donald Trump…”
  • Clay proposes a reform: allowing defendants to move federal charges to their home state, so the jury is truly of their peers—not political adversaries.
    • Clay (10:08): “You should be able to remove to your local jurisdiction any federal charges brought against you.”
  • Buck (12:21): “We’re just talking about a grand jury indictment… [it is] generally a pretty slam dunk part of the process.”
  • The hosts conclude that as long as there’s even one juror “on the team,” legal accountability is all but impossible for political actors like Letitia James.
    • Buck (12:45): “They have a get out of jail free card essentially… you are above and beyond legal sanction as long as you have tried to get Trump.”

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3. Culture and Politics: Personal Moments and Humor

[18:23 – 23:02]

• Clay and Buck reflect on their Miami holiday party, the sartorial choices (Clay’s red velvet jacket), and Buck’s father-in-law’s retirement after 27 years flying for American Airlines (naval aviator background).
  • Clay (19:19): “Congratulations to your father-in-law, who right now is completing his final day as a commercial airline pilot.”
  • Buck (20:59): “I think it’s great… he’ll get a real, a real hallmark moment on the way down as we enter this holiday season.”
• Brief asides on family life, live jazz, and party traditions inject warmth and relatability.

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4. The Gavin Newsom–Elon Musk Twitter Clash & Transgender Policy Debate

[24:02 – 35:54]

• Clay spotlights Gavin Newsom’s emergence as the Democrats’ 2028 favorite, his increasingly combative public persona, and his latest viral interaction with Elon Musk.

  • Newsom publicly endorsed “wanting to see more trans kids” and doubled down with a personal attack on Musk:
    • Gavin Newsom: “We’re sorry your daughter hates you, Elon.”
    • Elon Musk: “I assume you’re referring to my son Xavier, who has a tragic mental illness caused by the evil woke mind virus you push on vulnerable children… My daughters… do love me very much.”
  • Clay (25:43): “That’s really unbelievably nasty from Gavin Newsom…”
  • Buck (26:30): “Didn’t Gavin Newsom sleep with his best friend slash campaign manager’s wife? That’s a pure scumbag move.”

• They discuss the Democratic Party’s entrenchment on the trans youth issue:

  • Clay: “I think most people… would not want minors making choices that could be so debilitating.”
  • Buck (29:44): “The Democrat left… will not walk away on that issue.”
  • Buck: Draws parallels to doctors refusing to participate in unethical surgeries historically, calling the medicalization of children’s gender identity “reckless and wrong.”
    • Buck (34:04): “Do no harm is a very good first principle for medicine. You are doing harm to a 14 year old girl… or giving sterilizing hormones…”
  • Clay: Suggests that future lawsuits by detransitioners could halt these practices if juries award massive damages against hospitals and doctors.
    • Clay (32:25): “They need to have some of these kids… stand in front of a jury and say… ‘I was 11 or 12 years old, I didn’t know what I was doing.'”
  • The conversation also veers into how political motives now fuel everything from legal decisions to activist violence.
    • Buck (31:41): “It’s not just threats… in the name of pushing this really demonic process of putting kids through this…”

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5. Listener Engagement & Lighthearted Segues

[43:37 – 44:30]

• Callers weigh in with tongue-in-cheek nicknames for Gavin Newsom (“Greasy Gavin McNuscom”), comparing him to the villain Shooter McGavin from Happy Gilmore.
  • Caller Will in Katy, TX (43:43): “Can we please refer to Gavin News… as ‘Greasy Gavin McNuscom’ because he reminds me of Shooter McGavin from Happy Gilmore.”
• The hosts share a laugh and muse on pop culture, rounding out the hour with camaraderie and audience banter.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Clay Travis on prosecutorial partisanship:
  “You’re playing a road game every single time… left wing grand juries refuse to indict because they’re trying to indict their own team members.” (07:47)

• Buck Sexton on the justice system:
  “It is now all so political that… some people are unwilling to disentangle the politics. Right. Letitia James… said, I’m going to get a private citizen… that was what she did.” (08:41)

• Clay Travis on moving prosecutions:
  “You should be able to remove to your local jurisdiction any federal charges brought against you.” (10:08)

• Buck Sexton on the trans youth debate:
  “Do no harm is a very good first principle for medicine. You are doing harm to a 14 year old girl that you are removing breasts from or giving sterilizing hormones to.” (34:04)

• Clay Travis on lawsuits against gender clinics:
  “They need to have some of these kids… as they get older… stand in front of a jury and say, ‘Hey, I was 11 or 12 years old… and I permanently sterilized myself.’ … Some of these juries could deliver verdicts worth hundreds of millions of dollars…” (32:25)

• Gavin Newsom’s tweet, cited by hosts:
  “We’re sorry your daughter hates you, Elon.” (25:43)

• Elon Musk's reply:
  “I assume you’re referring to my son Xavier, who has a tragic mental illness caused by the evil woke mind virus you push on vulnerable children.” (25:43)

• Caller Will’s pop culture riff:
  “Can we please refer to Gavin News… as ‘Greasy Gavin McNuscom’ because he reminds me of Shooter McGavin from Happy Gilmore…” (43:43)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic/Segment | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:34 | Opening; Michigan coach Sharon Moore’s legal troubles | | 06:21 | Letitia James, grand juries, politicized prosecutions | | 10:08 | Clay’s proposal: Move federal trials to defendant’s home state | | 12:21 | Discussion of indictments vs. convictions, politicized justice | | 18:23 | Miami party stories, pilot retirement tradition | | 24:02 | Gavin Newsom’s rise, Elon Musk clash, trans debate | | 31:08 | Medical ethics, gender medicine critique | | 32:25 | Legal liability for gender surgeries on minors | | 43:37 | Listener calls; “Greasy Gavin McNuscom” nickname |

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Tone and Voice

The hour embodies the hosts’ trademark blend of sharp conservative commentary, humor, personal storytelling, and direct, unfiltered dialogue. Clay leads with big-picture themes and practical takeaways, while Buck supplies context, analysis, and wry asides. They consistently spotlight what they see as deepening political divides—not just in government but in legal institutions, medical practice, and American culture at large.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode is a fast-paced ride through breaking scandals in sports and politics, with Clay and Buck laying bare how they believe partisanship now shapes everything from justice to medicine. The Gavin Newsom/Elon Musk feud over trans youth policy becomes a flashpoint for a broader culture war brawl, while the show’s Miami holiday backdrop and inside jokes keep things lively. For listeners seeking the conservative take on America’s legal and cultural battles—with a side of bourbon, party stories, and pop culture riffs—this episode delivers.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

N D welcome in Friday Edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We are down in Miami where Buck and his wife Carrie threw a spectacular holiday party last night. So festivities of the Christmas season are in the air here and I'm sure many different places around the country as I bet a lot of you are into the holiday party season and swing. We've got a ton of different stories to update you on and, and to dive into with all of you. This is a crazy one, Buck. This is a little bit my world's colliding because it is a top story everywhere and it kind of came out yesterday. But the University of Michigan has a football coach who has been fired, Sharon Moore. And it appears that he is going to be charged with very, very serious criminal offenses. Maybe while we're on the air today in the Ann Arbor, Michigan area, there are tons of reporters that are prepared to hear the arraignment there. He has been in prison, in jail since Wednesday, so two nights now. They have not yet released the arraignment. But Buck, it appears based on the reports that are out there, that he was engaged in a relationship with a subordinate. She went public with the University of Michigan with the fact that that relationship was going on and then he was fired and then he evidently flipped out. And there are reports he showed up at her house with a knife, threatening to kill her and kill himself. And he was arrested and he has been held for the past two days. Now, those reports, maybe we can grab them that aired on the local Fox affiliate in Detroit. But this is a, this is an unbelievable story and it is going to be, I think, as the charges come out, an even bigger story. So we will follow that. Just when you think college football, Buck finally becomes a college football fan a bit and the stories just become unbelievable and insane as, as we break all that down now, bigger international stories that are out there. Buck, the Venezuela situation continues to tick up, it feels like to a large degree. We've got the Jasmine Crockett, Joy Reid sit down interview that absolutely no one on the planet was talking about. But I actually wanted to we'll talk about Gilmar Abreu Garcia, the Maryland dad, AKA the human trafficking smuggler, is back in the news. But I thought this was interesting and we haven't talked about it a lot. Lindsey Halligan was the attorney who was pointed appointed and was able to get indictments of James Comey and of Letitia James. But we've talked about the difficulty sometimes in getting grand jury indictments in these Democrat blue areas. Buck and Letitia James now with new attorneys trying to get these indictments, has twice been refused to be indicted by grand juries. And this is cut one. Listen to this, this big discussion because again, what is it that Lindsey Halligan was able to do that no one else who has been in her job can somehow accomplish. Listen to cut one.

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[Buck Sexton]

And it seems pretty clear that she.

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Actually did commit a crime. Now, I.

[Buck Sexton]

Just got who you, Letitia James, saying it's clear that she did commit a crime.

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It looks like she filed application.

[Clay Travis]

If that were the case, it would.

[Buck Sexton]

Be easy peasy to get a grand jury indictment.

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And that has not a jury in Virginia is necessarily.

[Clay Travis]

I don't know, Lydia. All right, so what's going on here that only Lindsey Halligan seems capable of getting these indictments? You're seeing, We've talked about this a lot, but you, you know, the guy who threw the subway Sandwich was the D.C. grand jury refused to indict. One of the big challenges that Trump has faced as he is trying to hold people accountable for the crimes that they allegedly have committed is there are lots of these blue jurisdictions which we are playing a road game every single time that to a large extent just will not indict. And I don't know, I have an idea about what a solution would be, Buck. But this is why we've kind of consistently said the idea that you're going to be able to get some form of justice here is going to be very, very difficult, not only because the statutes of limitations are running out, but just because left wing grand juries refuse to indict because they're trying to indict their own team members.

[Buck Sexton]

So that's really the final thing you said, I think, is the determining factor, which is, it's not, I would think, the particular skill, legal skill and acumen of the Lindsay, of Lindsey Halligan. I think that what this is, it's just, is the jury, is this grand jury comprised of people who view any indictment of Letitia James as inherently political. See, this is the problem. It is now all so political that it's very hard for people or some people are unwilling to disentangle the politics. Right. Letitia James, Attorney General of New York, in a gross violation of very basic ethics for a government employee, a prosecutor said, I'm going to get a private citizen. When she was running, ok, that was.

[Clay Travis]

The entire foundation of much of her campaign, was saying, I'm going to get Donald Trump.

[Buck Sexton]

And, and, and she should be ashamed of that. And everybody who supports her or supported and supports her should be ashamed of that. They're not, of course, but that was what she did. And then she brought a very clearly absurd political hit job, civil case against Donald Trump and with a massive judgment. And all you have to know is that she, according to her, the banks are idiots, Trump's an idiot. Even though everyone involved here are super sophisticated, worth billions and billions of dollars, do their own due diligence and they're all happy. She knew more than Trump and the banks who he worked with, who said he wanted to work, wanted to work with them again, he defrauded them that this is insane. But now they've said, ok, fine, no one's above the law. That includes. No one includes. Right. Inherently, Letitia James, there are people on that jury who, they watch cnn, they read the Washington Post in particular, because the Northern Virginia jury. Right. They read the Washington Post and they think that no matter what you clay, if they, if they showed up with Letitia James on video accepting a million dollars in cash to prosecute Trump. Yes. There are a lot of people on the jury who say, nope, nope, not going to do it. Either I don't believe it or I don't care because she's anti Trump. So this just shows you how fractured the legal system has become because of this.

[Clay Travis]

Well, and here's my solution. And I think I've had a couple of senators on with us and made this case. We have to allow at least when it comes to prosecutions, people say, OK, they can indict anybody who's a Republican in D.C. northern Virginia, obviously, New York City, many of these blue cities inside of blue jurisdictions, you should be able to remove to your local jurisdiction any federal charges brought against you. So in other words, if I were charged with a Crime in Washington, D.C. i should be able to move that case back to my home state of Tennessee. I don't think it would solve everything, but it would mean that a jury of my actual peers would judge me as opposed to a jury of a kangaroo court in a blue city that is overwhelmingly opposed to me because of my politics. And look, this is what Trump is having to deal with. Now. We're in South Florida right now and there is talk that they are trying to make charges be brought around the Biden Department of Justice, Jack Smith, all of that investigatory process. I believe there's a grand jury impaneled in South Florida that actually feels fair to me because it's much more of a 50, 50ish jurisdiction. But when you're trying to get anyone indicted for federal crimes that occur in the Washington, D.C. area, which almost all of them do, it is well nigh impossible. There you go. Had used the phrase well nigh. I Don't think my grandma's gonna be happy. Well nigh impossible to get an actual indictment there. And look, we praise Lindsey Halligan for her ability to do this buck. No one else seems to be capable of doing it would make. Which makes you wonder what are these career prosecutors actually doing and how aggressively are they really bringing the case in front of the grand jury? Why could we get an indictment from Lindsey Halligan when she did it and these career prosecutors aren't able to do it? It makes me wonder how much are they really going through the process of trying to get charges versus just kind of going through what they consider to be an illegitimate case and not actually trying to get an indictment.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, also, if you look at just expectations management here, we're just talking about a grand jury indictment, which Abby Phillip is correct, Abby Phillips is correct, that that is generally a pretty slam dunk part of the process.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Getting an actual conviction, that's going to be a whole other situation. But I would just say with this kind of a crime, it's very straightforward.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Which is why the resistance to this or you know, to claim that it's political is to assert that facts in evidence that both sides have. I mean, this is, you sign the paperwork, it wasn't your house, you signed it multiple times, you lied, you got a financial benefit from it. Those are the allegations. But that's what is pretty straightforward about this. You either broke the law or you didn't. And really what you're seeing are people who will take the position that breaking the law for someone who is, who has used the law to get Trump, they have a get out of jail free card essentially that you, you are above and beyond legal sanction as long as you have tried to get Trump. And I think unfortunately that may play out the same way on a jury. Clay, all you need is one hashtag resistance, you know, angry, probably middle age female bureaucrat at the department of such and such to be on that jury. And guess what, Leticia James, worst case scenario, you're looking at a hung jury.

[Clay Travis]

And totally, I think that will 100% end up happening. But we wanted to update you on that. We'll have some fun. Friday edition. Our buddy Ryan Garduski is going to be with us at 2. There's some data out there that suggests that millions of people may well have left the country who were here illegally in the birth numbers. And he's a data nerd. He broke it down for us. I read it earlier this week. I was impressed by the methodology and he'll come on and explain because there's been a lot of talk about not only who is being deported but how many people are self deporting. So we will talk about all that. In the meantime, big win last night for the Atlanta Falcons. Tampa Bay Buccaneers played awful. I've got picks for you at Prize Picks right now. Super easy. This is up on the Clay and Buck website and it's also up on our Twitter feed. Tua More passing touchdowns Dak More passing touchdowns Sam Darnold More passing touchdowns Bryce Young More passing touchdowns Shador Sanders More passing touchdowns. If that hits 6 to 1, get hooked up today. Make sure that you are having fun. You can play in California and play in Florida where we are right now. You can play in Texas, you can play in Georgia, 40 plus states 13 million have played and when you play $5 you get back $50 deposited into your account. It's a lot of fun. You can play along with us. This pays out at six to one. Go to prizepix.com my name Clay. You get $50 when you sign up just for playing five. That's prizepix.com my Name Clay. Let's have some fun and let's try to get a win this weekend in the NFL. Making America great again isn't just one man, it's many. The Team 47 podcast Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.

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[Buck Sexton]

To play and box and I'll tell you, I like the Christmas music with a little Christmas shindig down here yesterday and I have to report back was a fabulous party. Fabulous exclamation point.

[Clay Travis]

It was a fabulous party. I have to what did you think of my velvet jacket?

[Buck Sexton]

Clay? Clay was very Christmassy. Green shirt, red velvet jacket which is very. He was. He was really a fashion plate last night, I got to tell you, very fashion forward and I was watching, I was observing. I was. I was hoping that we would catch him in a moment of weakness reaching across that open bar for a glass of given all of the delicious delectable scotches and whiskeys and tequilas and beers and everything else. And I can only I can report back that there was not a rose in sight with Mr. Clay last night. So he stayed strong. Thank you for your attention in this matter.

[Clay Travis]

I did not have any roses. I did have a lot of bourbons. So that was. That was a lot of fun. It was an awesome event. And by the way, congratulations, congratulations to your father in law who right now is completing his final day as a commercial airline pilot. Which is a cool thing. I didn't you have a final flight. So he was at the party last night. He flew up to to the Northeast and he's Got friends and family. It's pretty cool. I didn't know you had like a final flight kind of experience.

[Buck Sexton]

27 years flying for American Airlines.

[Clay Travis]

Super cool.

[Buck Sexton]

Before that, a naval, a naval aviator flying F18s. So he is, he is currently up in the, in New York at a New York airport. He'll be flying back down to South Florida tonight. That will be, that leg will be his, his last, his last flight. We'll put some, some fun photos up of the Flatley crew selling family, celebrating in the cockpit and everything else because they, they went along. I, I'm working today, but my wife and her s. And her sisters and you know, the rest of the family, they're, they're all super cool.

[Clay Travis]

I didn't know. Did you know that commercial airline pilots had a tradition like that on their final flight? I'd never heard it before.

[Buck Sexton]

I think it's, I think it's great. I think it's great. So he'll, he's gonna make a little speech probably to the passengers, so they'll get a nice moment. You know, they'll get a real, a real hallmark moment on the way down as we enter this holiday season where they'll, he'll give his final sign off over the page. You know, where they do like, hey, it's 75 degrees breezy and I've been flying for 27 years and you know, he'll get into it. So that was really, really, really cool. And we're gonna go out tonight and celebrate that. Hopefully I will still have a voice left.

[Clay Travis]

I gotta, I gotta tell you, you're losing it here a little bit.

[Buck Sexton]

It's a little husky. A voice. A little husky. It was loud. It was loud. Last night we had live jazz. We had live jazz, which was fun and, and it was, it was boisterous. And I think that, you know, the saxophone should make a comeback. I'm just going to tell you, I'm a sax guy.

[Clay Travis]

That's a dangerous phrase on the radio, but it reminds me the saxophone guy was there no flutes. I thought I might walk in and there'd just be a. I wanted a.

[Buck Sexton]

Little Jethro Tull action. Yeah, not last night.

[Clay Travis]

I thought there might be a flute ensemble performance there for my benefit, but I did not see any flutes. By the way, this is super cool with Carrie in the cockpit.

[Buck Sexton]

So plan buck.com. so those. You want to see some of the photos of the final 27 years flying. And today's the last flight, so check it out.

[Clay Travis]

I know producer Ali's jealous because she's still in love with the shirtless saxophone player from Lost Boys. If you remember the, that unbelievable, incredible scene from the, the festival, the park, amusement park guy there, that's one of the iconic 1980s 80s movie scenes. You just have a super ripped shirtless saxophone player just going to town there at the amusement park as one does. And and so yeah, that was, it was just an awesome, it was a fun, it was a fun event. Our buddy Alexi Lawless, right before he gets into the full sprint of the World cup, hanging out with us as well. Lots of guests. Carol Markowitz, Michael Barry, buddy from Houston.

[Buck Sexton]

He made the, he made the trip all the way from Houston with his, with his wonderful wife. So they were celebrating with us last night. Dave Rutherford from the Clay and Buck podcast network was there. We've got a whole, whole bunch of folks. I can't read. We had 80, 80 something people.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

So I mean it was, you know, it was, it was festive. It was festive.

[Clay Travis]

No, it was outstanding. It was super, super fun. So I'm appreciative that you guys were able to do that. And again I'm excited for your father in law and that, that final flight. He's in the air right now and.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. As we come back into the melodic holiday tunes there you know Gavin Newsom. Buck has surged to the top of the likely Democrat nominees for 2028. If you look at the Polymarket or Kalshi prediction markets out there, he has opened up a really kind of prohibitive lead on being the nominee. And as part of that, he's gotten pretty nasty on social media. I think initially he was trying to do a version of Donald Trump and then he has now just kind of, I think, seen the algorithm reward his, his nastiness. And this I thought was particularly nasty. I don't know if you saw this. It's starting to go a little bit viral. Gavin Newsom said, I believe yesterday that he wanted there to be basically more trans kids. And I think most people out there, whatever your thoughts are on trans related issues, would not want minors making choices that could be so debilitating to their bodies and certainly is makes their lives more challenging. Here was the quote. I want to see trans kids. There's no governor that's done more pro trans legislation than I have. That is Gavin Newsom. And Elon Musk responded. And so first of all, Gavin Newsom says, correct. Elon shared that that clip and said this was the wrong decision. Gavin Newsom responded and said, correct. We're sorry your daughter hates you. Elon, Gavin Newsom's official Twitter account.

[Buck Sexton]

That's ugly. Okay, that's another thing to do.

[Clay Travis]

So Elon said, again, I don't want there being more trans kids. It's not a good policy. So then Gavin Newsom says, we're sorry your daughter hates you. Here's what Elon Musk responded here recently, just in the last few hours. I assume you're referring to my son Xavier, who has a tragic mental illness caused by the evil woke mind virus you push on vulnerable children. I love Xavier very much and hope he recovers. My daughters are Azure, Ixa and Arcadia, and they do indeed love me very much. But that's really unbelievably nasty from Gavin Newsom to say, we're sorry your daughter hates you.

[Buck Sexton]

So can we go there for a second? Didn't Gavin Newsom sleep with his best friend slash campaign manager's wife? Yes, That's a pure scumbag move. Yes. That's really all you have to know about someone's character. And that's not even taking into account the fact that Gavin Newsom is a walking, talking, lying BS machine and always has been. But this is not a guy who should be taking shots at people's first love. Didn't his wife sue Harvey Weinstein and lose?

[Clay Travis]

There was a lawsuit Isn't that his belief? I don't, I don't remember the specifics, but his wife was involved. I thought she maybe was. Said she was a victim of Harvey Weinstein in some form or fashion. I think she was an actress. And so I think that was kind of the background story on that. His first wife was Donald Trump Jr. Kimberly Guilfoy. Right, was his first wife. They got divorced, and now the second wife is, is, you know, the one who threw in the towel, if you remember, during the debate against Ron DeSantis. That was a, that was a moment.

[Buck Sexton]

Where she, Newsom's w. Wife, testified against Weinstein in a Los Angeles trial. She accused him of rape. She did not personally sue him in a civil lawsuit. So pardon me, I want to make sure I get this right, but participated in another lawsuit as an accuser or in another, another case, rather, as an accuser. She gave testimony about this. And yeah, of course, Weinstein's defense was that everything with her was, was transactional and consensual. He was not. This is what. He was not convicted. In the case where she was a witness, there was a non conviction there. She was a witness in a case, there was a non conviction. And I thought she had sued him civilly, but that's not, that is not correct. She was a witness against him as well. So those are the facts of that.

[Clay Travis]

But, you know, the Gavin Newsome trans angle, because he got a lot of attention, if you remember when he had Charlie Kirk on as a guest on his podcast and he gave that answer of, I get that, you know, you can do your evil Keanu Reeves impersonation of him, but he tried to address men playing women's sports. And he said, yeah, I get that, you know, and basically tried to dodge around addressing it by saying, that's a reasonable perspective to have. I get why a parent could have. He didn't actually say he disagreed with it. He just said, hey, that's an opinion you could have. And now he's saying that he's in favor of there being more trans kids. This is, I think, an awful battle, both politically and morally for Democrats. We talk about how sometimes political and moral are different here. I think everyone out there who is saying, hey, let's wait, let's let kids develop before we start having all these trans surgeries committed on them. For Gavin Newsom to be encouraging trans kids, for him to be saying that Elon Musk's kid hates him. And I just, I think we can look, look for this to become even more of an issue going forward. I think it's going to be, I think it's going to be a mess and, and he's going to fight on this and trans and kids being a good thing.

[Buck Sexton]

He has no, I think that if he could walk away from that issue, he, he would, but he can't because he's going to be bludgeoned by, and he should be by Republicans on it. But the Democrat left will not give up on that issue. They will, they will not walk away on that issue. And I guess at some level it is almost like, you know, climate change has really faded so much that the trans sex identity stuff has, I think, replaced that as the religion of choice for the, the religion replacement really for people on the left in this country. They feel like there's something instead of it being saving the earth, it's a civil rights struggle. Right. It's saving humanity. It's the great humanitarian approach. The tragic part about it is, well, the climate change does a lot of damage too, but it's mostly financial and freedom damage. They're hurting kids with this stuff. They are doing irreparable damage to children. And a lot of doctors and a lot of people in the medical field are just too cowardly to say what, that, what's really going on. Look, all you really have to know about this issue, I shouldn't say all you have to know, but a really good, I think shorthand Clay is the guy who ran the Johns Hopkins, what they used to call sex change surgery clinic. He's pretty well known guy. He's much older guy now. I think he's still around, but ran it for decades after all, that was like, this is not a good idea.

[Clay Travis]

And this is for adults.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Not for children, for adults. He's like, this is not, not a good idea medically. It's medically unsound. And then had to really disappear. He might have even apologized or said, oh, I shouldn't have said that or something. But it's just because people are psychos about this stuff and they threaten you. I mean, you get death. Think about this. There are people who give you death threats. And as many people on the right have found this out, unfortunately, the hard way. Well, let's be honest. One of the biggest issues for the Charlie Kirk alleged assassin who's in court today is what Charlie Kirk was saying about trans.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

And look at the shooter in the school in, in Tennessee and in Minneapolis. And in Minneapolis. So it's not just threats. I wanted to be clear. It's not just threats about the trans issue, it is actual violence in the name of pushing this really demonic process of putting kids, putting kids through this. It's, it's, look, there should be federal laws to prevent that thing. Think about the federal laws that do exist to protect kids that are far, you know, we're talking about things like tobacco or things that are far less, you know, if you smoke a cigarette, you're not going to fall over and die. I'm not advocating for kids to smoke, but you're going to have sex change operation surgery. They can call it gender affirmation all day long. It was called sex change surgery until about five minutes ago.

[Clay Travis]

They need to have some of these kids that are deciding as they get older that this shouldn't have been done. They need to have class action lawsuits. Because I think juries, if you guys got these kids in front of the jury and they said, hey, I was 11 or 12 years old, I didn't know what I was doing. I was 13, I was 14, and I permanently sterilized myself. I mean, I think some of these juries could deliver verdicts worth hundreds of millions of dollars in damages and against some of these doctors and hospitals that have been encouraging this. And I think it would end almost overnight because of the risk that they would have going forward from these kind of lawsuits, because kids can't consent to, you know, a minor can't consent to all of the decisions that they're making.

[Buck Sexton]

So there was, I know this is going to seem like a digression, but.

[Clay Travis]

I believe it was.

[Buck Sexton]

Zia Al Haq was the president really the dictator of Pakistan in the 80s, around the time of the Soviet Afghan war. And it was under his regime that there was an effort to, if memory serves, to medicalize amputation surgery for crimes, or rather to medicalize amputation for crimes by doing it as a surgery. So instead of cutting your hand. That's right.

[Clay Travis]

I remember you talking about that.

[Buck Sexton]

Instead of cutting off your hand for stealing with a scimitar or whatever, a hatchet or something, it was, okay, we're going to surgically remove it. But a lot of the Pakistani doctors at the time were actually Western trained.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

A lot of them are getting their training in the west, you know, the people that could conduct those kinds of surgeries. And they're. They weren't willing to do it.

[Clay Travis]

Yes. Good for them. But I mean, it's, this is not.

[Buck Sexton]

A thing that was actually happening, even though it was a policy that was, was being talked about at one point. There's some dispute as to Whether, you know, they ever were really going to intentionally do this or not. But I do believe that there are a lot of doctors who would, on ethical grounds, refuse to do things because their profession is supposed to be about healing and helping. And do no harm is a very good first principle for medicine. You are doing harm to a 14 year old girl that you are removing breasts from or giving sterilizing hormones to. Hormones are incredibly powerful for your sense of well being, for your overall health, for a lot of things. And to mess with that clay and not really know where it's taking somebody is, it's just, it's reckless and it's wrong. So the fact that Gavin Newsom is, is firmly on the wrong side of this issue is not surprising. And also we got to. He never said, remember we had that interview with Charlie. Actually, he never said that he was. That.

[Clay Travis]

That's right.

[Buck Sexton]

He's against the trans thing. He just, he said something that kind of left it open ended.

[Clay Travis]

I would also point this out. I am looking at some of the pictures from the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk. Maybe it's coincidental, but the tie that he wore in his court hearing yesterday is the same colors as the trans flag. I don't know. Again, maybe it's coincidental, but if you Google what the trans flag looks like and then you look at the tie that he selected for his court appearance today, it is the exact same colors. Now again, maybe, maybe they will have, maybe they will have some element of that saying that's a coincidence. But you know, you're going to be in public, it seems. No, no, I. Yeah, probably intentional.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, it's getting up along the lines of like if you happen to have an M and it happen to have an S and happen to have a 13 tattooed on your knuckles, I mean, it's technically not proof that you're an Ms. 13, but it's kind of proof that you're an Ms. 13. Right. I mean, you know, you could make the argument that it's some kind of weird. And I know that they say, oh, is it even. You know, it's like another letter. You know, it's like the Spanish version. Whatever. The point is. Yeah. At some, at some echelon of analysis, the coincidence is far too powerful for it to actually be coincidence. You know, we were talking about protecting kids and that should stretch all the way down to the unborn, to babies. And a baby's in the womb. This is where preborn comes in. It's that time of the year when a lot of people are Giving. A lot of people are making holiday donations and if you have some money to spare, it doesn't have to be a lot of money. This is a really worthy charity that does incredible work. It's very moving. I went to one of the pre born clinics myself and spent an afternoon there in Hialeah here in Miami and met with some of the moms that had been, that had been helped by preborn and met their kids. You know the little girl, one of them is like a little five year old girl. She was running around the office and this woman told me, she says if I didn't have preborn, she wouldn't be here today. That's what, that's where your dollars are going to with preborn. That's what's going on. Little girl running around, little boy running around. A family being built. Instead of a tragedy, they're saving lives every day. $28 a month would provide for an ultrasound for a mom going into a preborn clinic right now, just $28 a month. And for many of you, I think that $28 a month is achievable. Remember, it's 100% tax deductible donation. That's a five star rated charity. And for a handful of you, a donation of five or even $10,000 is possible. And I know that because, and God bless you for doing it. Some of you have already stepped up and done that in this audience and that's an incredible thing. And you're helping to buy a new ultrasound machine for a clinic with gifts of that size. So think of how many little babies you can help save today by donating to preborn. The founders, they are moved by God to do this work. I've met them. I know them. They care so much about this. Dial 250. Say the key word baby from your phone. Dial £250. Say the word baby or go to preborn.com buck preborn.com b u c k sponsored by Preborn Geek.

[Clay Travis]

Out with the guys on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast. A new episode every Sunday. Find it on the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcast. Shh.

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[Buck Sexton]

To Clay and Buck and we want to get to a lot of your talkbacks, a lot of your calls, all of those good things happening happening here. We also want you for this holiday season to consider some Crockett Coffee my friends. Clay what is our current Clay book slash Crockett Coffee offer?

[Clay Travis]

If you subscribe to Crockett Coffee between now and the end of the year you will get an autographed copy of my new book. So no cost to you when you subscribe. I think we have code book that you can use but if you subscribe between now and the end of the year. So what do we got about 15, 16 days? A little bit more than that for the end of the year.

[Buck Sexton]

Hasn't late Thanksgiving completely thrown you off?

[Clay Travis]

I'm still.

[Buck Sexton]

I feel like we got six more weeks before Christmas, and that is not the case.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, it's basically two weeks until Christmas right now. So get out there and get all your shopping done. But if you go and get it done before the end of the year, you go to crockett coffee.com, use code book. You get an autographed copy of the book, and we will get those to you. Plus, you will get the delectable taste of Crockett Coffee, which I would bet a lot of people out there are going to be needing. Because there's a lot of holiday parties, a lot of late nights, early morning.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, you're hearing us. We're fueled by Crockett right now. Let me need it this morning.

[Clay Travis]

Lots of. Lots of travel going on. Lots of kids getting up early in the morning for that Christmas morning. And maybe you're sleeping a little bit on a bed that's not necessarily your normal bed because you're traveling or you're moving everybody around.

[Buck Sexton]

The one. The one. Ms. Clay, for the holiday party last night, the one thing that I really was like, oh, man, we had a special little baby speed Christmas outfit.

[Clay Travis]

All.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, Carrie obviously had picked this out, and he looked so cute and so Christmasy, like a little Santa's elf, basically. And like, he had like little Christmas lederhosen on basic.

[Clay Travis]

And.

[Buck Sexton]

And we brought him to the party and he was so cute. And then as soon as the noise and everything else, man, he. He was just. Hard pass. He was. Not too many people, too much noise. He. He's.

[Clay Travis]

He was ready to bail.

[Buck Sexton]

He was done.

[Clay Travis]

We.

[Buck Sexton]

We got him to the threshold of the party and he. He threw a tantrum like I haven't seen in a while. And I was like, all right, all right. You know, he hit the eject button. We tried some people not made for partying, at least not at 8 months old. So we.

[Clay Travis]

We.

[Buck Sexton]

Just to be clear, we weren't gonna, like, keep him at the. We just wanted to do one round so everyone could take a cute.

[Clay Travis]

But anyway, it didn't last.

[Buck Sexton]

His royal chunkiness has made a full recovery. He's doing fine.

[Clay Travis]

Will in Katy, Texas, got a Gavin Newsome take for us. Will, what you got?

[Caller]

Hey, guys. Another show. And I know Russ is smiling on you guys with the great work y' all doing for the conservative movement. Appreciate it.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you.

[Caller]

So I wanted to. I wanted to make an observation. Can we please refer to Gavin News going forward? Is greasy Gavin McNuscom because he reminds me. His personality reminds me a lot of shooting McGavin from Happy Gilmore. You remember how Happy Gilmore, I mean shooting McGavin treated his fans. He said go back to your shanties. You know, when he got frustrated with.

[Clay Travis]

Them, I if they happy Gilmore 2 just came out. I didn't think it was was that bad. A lot of people disagreed with me. But I do love that Shooter McGavin Newsome combo. Shh.

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