Hour 1 - Honest Race Conversations

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 1 – Honest Race Conversations

Date: September 9, 2025
Host: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton (iHeartPodcasts)

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Overview

In this hour, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into the complexities and controversies surrounding race, violent crime, and media coverage in America. The episode spotlights recent high-profile murders (notably in Charlotte and Alabama), offering unfiltered commentary on how race and crime are reported, political narratives, and the societal reluctance to have direct, data-driven discussions about crime demographics. The hosts contend that honest conversations about race and crime are being suppressed in mainstream discourse due to ideological and political discomfort.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Middle East Update & Recent Crimes in America

• Intro (02:58): The episode begins with a brief mention of a recent targeted strike against Hamas leaders in Qatar.
• Transition to Domestic Crime (03:40): Clay segues into U.S. incidents—the stabbing death of a 23-year-old woman in Charlotte by a career criminal and the murder of a veterinarian in Auburn, Alabama. Both cases involved suspects with extensive criminal histories.
• Media Coverage Critique (04:30): Clay laments the lack of national coverage in outlets like The New York Times and CNN, accusing them of ignoring violent crime stories that do not fit their preferred narratives.

2. Race, Crime, and Media Narratives

• Uncomfortable Truths (06:00–14:30):

  • The hosts discuss the racial realities underlying violent crime in America, claiming the majority is concentrated in majority-black neighborhoods, mainly involving young black men.
  • Both assert that addressing such data is not racist, but ignoring it and refusing to discuss it for fear of being labeled racist is "intellectually dishonest."
  • Buck criticizes the media for focusing on anecdotes that reinforce preferred ideologies rather than on representative, data-driven reporting.
  • They argue that if the Charlotte stabbing were racially reversed (a white perpetrator, black victim), the coverage and narrative would be vastly different.

  Notable Quote:

  “It is not racist to look at data and say, boy, of all the murders that are being committed in America, the vast majority, if you analyze it from a per capita basis, are being committed by young black men.” – Clay Travis (07:00)

3. Police, Prosecution, and Systemic Issues

• System Accountability (09:16–16:41):

  • Discussion focuses on repeat offenders and the perceived leniency of the justice system.
  • Buck and Clay advocate for tougher sentencing and criticize liberal judges and DA's, particularly those financially supported by George Soros, for enabling recidivism.
  • They raise the analogy of bartenders being held liable for overserving, suggesting similar accountability for judges who release repeat violent offenders.

  Notable Quote:

  “This is actually the system giving the product that the system wants to give, which is higher crime rates, more risk to the general population, more risk to women, more risk to minorities, disproportionately…” – Buck Sexton (10:09)

4. Three Strikes Laws and Policy Proposals

• Policy Suggestions (27:12–35:32):

  • The hosts call for reinstatement or strengthening of three-strikes laws, arguing that swift, consistent incarceration for repeat violent offenders is essential.
  • They note plea bargains often let violent individuals avoid the full weight of the law, thus returning to society prematurely.

  Notable Quote:

  “I think the answer for our politicians is, unfortunately, we have to take away the discretion from judges. That was the entire point of three strikes and you’re out...” – Clay Travis (31:50)

5. Media Bias and Public Perception

• Narrative Skew & Public Reaction (36:16–41:02):
  • The New York Times headline about the Charlotte murder sparks heated criticism for framing it as a "firestorm on the right", implying only conservatives care about the story.
  • The hosts highlight the discrepancy between national outrage when violence fits progressive narratives (e.g., Jussie Smollett) and the silence or downplaying when facts run counter to preferred narratives.

6. Listener Calls and Black Community Perspective

• Caller Joanne from North Carolina (45:09):

  • Joanne, a white woman with a Black ex-husband and biracial grandchildren, calls in to say the Black community has been “indoctrinated” into believing that most whites are racist and affirms the general goodness of most Americans of all races.
  • Clay agrees, advocating for rational, cross-racial honesty to address the roots of violent crime.

  Notable Quote:

  “I think that most people, white, black, Asian, Hispanic are good, decent, non racist people. I think there are racist white, black, Asian and Hispanic people. …But we have to have a rational conversation about it. And we have to have a conversation that actually benefits the entire nation.” – Clay Travis (46:33)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Media’s Double Standards (13:34–13:59):

  “If that had been a young black girl, 23 year old, sitting on that public transit in Charlotte and a white guy had stabbed her in the throat, every single television station in America would lead with it for multiple days.” – Clay Travis

• On Systemic Failures (24:05):

  “The Democrat policies of catch and release for barbarians and savages is truly an act of terror shot against the American people.” – Stephen Miller (Guest)

• On Policy Solutions (27:12):

  “What is the best way that the nation, meaning local, state and federal officials should respond to this? I can't think of an answer other than we have to lock up violent perpetrators and keep them off our streets.” – Clay Travis

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Segment Timeline

• [02:58] – Introduction to main topics: Middle East, Charlotte stabbing, and Alabama murder.
• [06:00] – Media coverage and crime narrative critiques.
• [07:00]–[14:30] – Deep dive into race, crime data, media discomfort, and comparative outrage by case.
• [16:41] – Critique of DA policies, Soros-backed prosecutors, and the consequences of lenient justice systems.
• [27:12]–[35:32] – Three strike laws, plea bargaining issues, and the limits of judge accountability.
• [36:16] – Reaction to New York Times headline, discussion of public empathy and the universality of the Charlotte victim’s tragedy.
• [45:09] – Caller perspective (Joanne) and further reflection on media-induced racial divide.

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Tone & Language

The episode is characterized by forthright, data-centric arguments mixed with rhetorical urgency, a conversational but combative tone, and regular use of provocative analogies. Clay and Buck blend populist language (“right wing land, although I would submit it is just sanity land”) with references to policy and law, frequently positioning themselves as counter to prevailing media and progressive narratives.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show pushes for a more honest, fact-driven conversation about violent crime and race in America—one that confronts uncomfortable statistics without fear of being labeled racist. The hosts contend that real justice and public safety demand both policy reform (e.g., tougher sentencing, DA accountability) and frank public dialogue, unmediated by what they see as ideologically blinkered mainstream media coverage.

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Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we embark on another day of truth telling in what is often a sea of anarchy and frankly, lies. We're going to update you on a strike that has taken place inside of Qatar targeting Hamas leaders who had been running Hamas from there. What the full impact is, we will dive into that and what it means going forward in the Middle East. Again, big story there. These were the Hamas leaders who helped to set in motion the October 7th terror attack. And this was again, a very targeted strike against the absolute top of Hamas inside of Qatar. Um, now there are a lot of different angles to hit on this and I know you hit on a bunch of them yesterday, Buck, but I have been reading all weekend long and into the start of the week all about what happened in Charlotte where this young, innocent 23 year old woman was stabbed in cold blood on public transportation in Charlotte by an individual who'd been previously arrested 14 times. And I know you talked about this some yesterday, Buck, but my Twitter feed and my email has been blown up from people talking about the veterinarian in Auburn, Alabama who was murdered also by another individual that should have never been out on the streets. And I know many of you out there have seen these stories, but it's important to recognize that by and large, there is no coverage of stories like these in the New York Times, in the Washington Post, at cnn, msnbc. They mostly ignore it because it tells a story that they do not want to address or even acknowledge in any way. And in fact, when they do cover it, it's often covered through the prism of, oh, people on the right are upset about this event, as if that is the reason why it should be covered. And I know you dove into this and we've talked about it a lot on the program, but I don't think you can solve major issues of violent crime in this country until we have an actual conversation about where violent crime is coming from. And overwhelmingly violent crime in this country is clustered in black neighborhoods, often involving young black men. That is a reality. It makes people uncomfortable to even mention because, oh my goodness, it's racist in some way. And in fact, I want to play this audio clip that I think is emblematic of being fearful of actually addressing the issue at hand. Uh, and this was from CNN where they talk about it only in the context of, well, some people online are upset about this. And this is Brian Stelter on CNN saying the Charlotte murder is just a political symbol. And unfortunately in his mind many things that are being said online are, quote, baldly racist. So listen, to cut to this story.

[Buck Sexton]

Has trickled up from so from local news to social media and now to the President's attention. And it's being used, as you said, Brianna, as a political symbol with MAGA media calling for more forceful punishments and more incarceration. I have to say some of the replies to Musk, some of the comments around this story are baldly racist. Stoking fear of African Americans because this man attacked a white woman. The open racism on sites like X Today, it's eye popping. But there are also legitimate questions about this so called career criminal, someone who had been a repeat offender. And those questions, I hope they're not lost amid all of the cesspool kind of comments on social media.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, well I think this is an important conversation we should have, Buck and I know you talked about it some yesterday. It is not racist to point out the race of someone who commits a violent crime. Here is what, let me just make it because I think this is important and I know you guys get it, but maybe in your conversations you're nervous about having conversations about this because you're afraid of being called racist. Here is what is racist. Being racist is saying, hey, you're going to commit a crime because you are black with no evidence whatsoever of that being the case. Right? That is racism. It is not racist to look at data and say, boy, of all the murders that are being committed in America, the vast majority, if you analyze it from a per capita basis, are being committed by young black men. And we should have a conversation about why that is. Because the data actually reflects that if young black men committed for instance, rates of violent crime at the same rate as white or Asian young men do, we basically wouldn't have a violent crime rate in the United States that is anywhere approaching what we have here now. Right. I mean it would actually be at least two or three times as safe of a country if you were to.

[Buck Sexton]

Eliminate the just the disparity in the black crime rate in this country. I believe we would be on a per capita basis have fewer homicides than Canada. So that gives you some sense of which has actually I think had some crime problems in recent, more recent years. But there's a huge disparity by the numbers. But I wanted to focus in on for a moment. Of course we have A Stelter who, what did. What did Tucker used to call him, like the village eunuch or something like this? He had some phrase for him that. That was particularly. Yeah, Brian Stelter is really a perfect representation of like low T liberal. The future is feminine. You know, the white. The white male of the Democrat party is. Is essentially comprised of first and foremost. And for him to say that, it raises questions. No, I don't think it actually raises questions. We have the answers. Clay.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

When someone has been arrested for 14 times, when they've sexually assaulted women or. Or assaulted women, I think I should, you know, violently assaulted women two times previously. This is somebody who needs to be taken out of circulation for a while. And you want to try rehab, you want to try to, you know, to. To bring Jesus into his life. You want to make him a better person, fine. Do so in a facility also known as a prison. That is the reality that we have to deal with here. Okay? That is what has to happen. The decision was made here over and over again to let this individual continue to terrorize people. And we have to ask why? What is the mindset we're going to have on a state senator from. Or is it a state senator or congressman?

[Clay Travis]

I think Congress. Congressman Moore. Yeah, thank you. Who represents this area, from North Carolina.

[Buck Sexton]

Represents this area, will ask about what the processes are, if there are any, to hold judges accountable. It's very hard in general. Clay, could go into this at length. It's very hard in general to hold judges accountable for anything you can. There's a process, but it's difficult. But we should ask, why did this judge decide to let this guy go effectively unpunished? It's not like he just got out of a 25 year sentence and decided to reoffend. I mean, this guy was. Was wandering around the streets and was obviously a threat to people. So, Clay, I just. I completely reject this. Oh, there are legitimate questions, you know, Stelzers, the legitimate questions raised by the way. The system may have failed. No, this is actually the system giving the product that the system wants to give, which is higher crime rates, more risk to the general population, more risk to women, more risk to minorities, disproportionately because it makes certain people feel better about themselves because they think some of this conversation is icky.

[Clay Travis]

That's the essence of it. A lot of people are uncomfortable with acknowledging what the data shows. And to me, you cannot address an issue until you objectively and rationally examine it. And this is why I said the whole BLM protest was focused on something that basically doesn't happen very often, that is violent white attacks on black people because of their race. It's almost non existent in the country. Not say that it never happens. It's almost non existent. In fact, if you go look at the data, the number of white people that engage of violent acts against black people is almost, almost zero. And statistically it's also true.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, we talked about this yesterday. It's also true that police killing or even using excessive force against unarmed black men statistically is very, very rare. But isn't it fascinating, Clay? We can have one after another suicide bomber, all yelling Allahu Akbar, all from the same religious background, all having similar profiles and we're told that's not representative, that doesn't count. There's no problem there. But then there'll be one copy involved in one incident with whether George Floyd or Mike Brown and whole neighborhoods have to burn down and everybody has to sit around and, and bend the knee and beg forgiveness for the past wrongs. I have done nothing. I have done nothing racist. I am not a part of any racist system and I absolutely reject all of that crap. And I think people have just realized that's where you got to be with this. You can't play the game anymore.

[Clay Travis]

Well, and here is where I think the media often, very often is incredibly flawed. And we talk about this, but, and I know many of you think about it. I don't know that you really think about it on a central level. Most of media today is anecdote. And I think that is exacerbated by everybody having a cell phone. And so any incident can go viral. To me, an honest media only covers anecdote when it is representative of a larger issue that needs to be addressed.

[Buck Sexton]

It should align with the data. But we see the opposite where they actually try to pretend the anecdote is the data or representative of the data. This is why it is a lie. It is a lie by statistics or it is a lie by the omission of reality.

[Clay Travis]

And so if, and you all know this, but if that, if that had been a young black girl, 23 year old, sitting on that public transit in Charlotte and a white guy had stabbed her in the throat, every single television station in America would lead with it for multiple days. We would all have to have national conversations about it.

[Buck Sexton]

By the way, they would say this is a, this is what happens in Trump's America. They would take it right to Trump. You and I know that.

[Clay Travis]

And so if you are not treating this in a similar fashion, and by the way, all of you out there in right wing land, although I would submit it is just sanity land, who are listening to us right now, all of you would be immersed in that story. You would not be able to avoid it because right wing media would cover it, too. The left basically doesn't cover this story. All of you are aware of it. But I think it's important that we have this conversation.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay? We could just take calls and we have before where we have black listeners to this show who will just call in and say that this is. We are discussing the reality of the media's treatment of these subjects. We could just take calls for an hour from people listening right now to our audience who are black, would say, yeah, the media's playing games here. You know, it's, it's the media that is doing the misrepresentation. It's the media that is bringing these narratives and the Democrat Party and all this stuff about structural racism and everything else, they bring ideology into this. We just want there to be less crime. We want everyone to be safer. We want to do what is necessary so that nobody, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, Christian, Muslim, Jew, no one's getting stabbed on the subway. That's actually the goal here. And that we treat everyone as an individual. But treating people as individuals also means viewing their right to be safe walking down the street in their neighborhood as more important than what your friends at the golf club. After you're done with your MSNBC hit in Chevy Chase, think about what you.

[Clay Travis]

Said on TV and objective data. If we are going to truly address violent crime, objective data reflects that young black men in particular, overwhelmingly are responsible for violent crime. So if we are going to put more police on the streets, and if we are going to address violence, violent crime, that is going to lead to more young black men being arrested. That's not racism. Again, I think this kills the argument, but I think it's one good one to put in your back pocket. It's not sexism that men are arrested for around 95% of all violent crimes. It's because men are more violent as a group than women are. Ok, So I think this story is huge. I think it goes to the essence of, frankly, where Trump is right, which is saying we can't live in a country where violent crimes like these are allowed to happen and when the people perpetrating them have been arrested 14 times.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is the other part. There's so many layers here, Clay. This is, there's, there's failure of the narrative. The Democrats want To tell you, there's the lie that we can all see. I told you. I mean, I was laughing my butt off watching the Jussie Smollett documentary. I mean, it is high comedy that anyone believe. But let's remember Clay. First of all, he was fine. He had, like, a tiny scratch. It looked like he maybe cut himself shaving. And it was a national outrage. Yes, Kamala Harris was weighing in. I mean, Joe Biden was weighing in. It's still up. There was a huge. Oh, my gosh, look at this. All the racism against black people, all the. All the anti lgbtq, all this stuff, all a lie. Ok, but that was immediate national conversation. A Ukrainian refugee brutally murdered because the system completely failed her because the system is too afraid of looking like it's racist when it enforces the law. That's actually not a conversation we should have as a country. Which one of those things matters more to the American people in their daily lives? We got to force this issue.

[Clay Travis]

No doubt. And here's another one I'll add. I think that this doesn't help the black community because, one, it allows violence to continue. But two, liberal white people who are trying to say, oh, we can't have this conversation. They actually don't want things to get better. And I think a lot of black voters are slowly starting to recognize this. These people don't have your best interest at heart. They don't at all. We'll talk about this more because I do think it's a really big story. Identity theft can cost more than you think. If you thought having your wallet stolen was bad, having your online Identity stolen is 10 times worse. Drained investment accounts, lost wages, stolen tax returns. The list is endless. That's why LifeLock is backed by the million dollar protection package. Covers up to $3 million for the most comprehensive plan. Uh, so if your money's stolen due to identity theft, Lifelock has your back. If you have personal expenses while resolving identity theft, like paying for travel or extra childcare, LifeLock will reimburse you as well. When you invest hours of your time piecing your life back together and it causes you to lose work income, LifeLock will reimburse you too. Plus, there's coverage if you need to pay fees for lawyers and experts to resolve your case, join now. Save up to 40% in your first year. With my name, Clay, as the promo code, call 1-800-LIFELOCK or go to lifelock.com promo code CLAY to save 40 terms apply. Saving America 1 thought at a time. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Lines are open. Let's talk. Let's take some calls. Coming up here on everything going on with the whole criminal justice conversation. The the horrific murder, stabbing, murder of that beloved veterinary professor in Alabama. The stabbing on the light rail. The video of it. What Trump is doing in New York. I'm so sorry. D.C. what mom Donnie wants to do in New York. We'll discuss all this and dive into it. But here's our friend Stephen Miller, who does not hold back. Play cut one.

[Clay Travis]

You look at that video that chills our very souls out of Charlotte. That beautiful young woman stabbed to death, murdered savagely on a subway, just trying to get home from work, fleeing war, only to run into a Democrat war.

[Buck Sexton]

Zone here in our country. That monster.

[Clay Travis]

14 prior arrests, in and out, in and out. The Democrat policies of catch and release for barbarians and savages is truly an act of terror shot against the American people.

[Buck Sexton]

It cannot be explained unless you deeply, fundamentally hate America. I think that says it, Clay.

[Clay Travis]

I think it says it well. And again, I give credit to Trump and I would encourage him to speak out on this even more often. What he says is covered by the left wing media as a way to push back against him. But what I would say to the Trump administration is these are conversations we should be having. And when your general proposition is I want less violence in America and I'LL do whatever it takes. Showing these stories is how you get that, I think.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. All right, you asked the question that I think is is a big part of what we should address here, Buck, and we're getting emails and a lot of other reactions on this as well. And it is okay. The data shows what it shows and that is as we said, there are far too many murders in this country somewhere in the neighborhood of around 20,000 murders a year. Ish. And over half of those murders on average are committed primarily by young black men in America. So Buck pointed out that if black men in America committed murders at the same rate as everyone else on average, white, Asian and Hispanic, that the overall rate of violent crime in the United States would actually be somewhat similar to Canada. It would be far lower. And the question that is out there is okay, if you agree that there are far too many murders. And I think most of the people out there listening to us right now agree and we are all profoundly anti murder. We want less of you being killed by violent perpetrators. What is the best way that the nation, meaning local, state and federal officials should respond to this? I can't think of an answer other than we have to lock up violent perpetrators and keep them off our streets. I'm open to other suggestions. To me that is overwhelmingly the answer.

[Buck Sexton]

I think it's also instructive that whenever there is a moment for the Democrats and for the left and that whole ideological side of things. After a violent incident, Clay, they do this moral blackmail, pretend policy discussion where they say, well, are you just gonna. Look, we had this kind of. With Trey Gowdy on guns. I'm just saying, are you just gonna do nothing? Are you just gonna do nothing? That's the thing that they respond to you with when you say, well, there's already a lot of laws. This person broke a lot of laws. You know, these are rare events. You know, school shootings are horrific beyond words, but statistically they are. Now, when we talk about school shootings, we also can separate this out. Not talking about, you know, two gang members in the schoolyard or two people. Sometimes they count as a school shooting. People shooting within the like legal confines of a school, which I think includes a few hundred feet beyond school grounds. Right. Because of the laws about, you know, gun free zones and such. But if you're talking about an attempted mass murder or mass murder of schoolchildren, that's usually what we think of with a school shooting. They are rare events. Thank heavens, but they are rare events. Statistically, murders in general in this country are too high. They are not rare events. And so digging into the statistics about why we have such a higher murder rate than other developed countries is something that is absolutely worthwhile from a policy perspective. And you just raised one of the things that we know we can do. If we want to bring the murder rate down, we have to have three strike laws.

[Clay Travis]

How about that?

[Buck Sexton]

Or how about even five strike laws? We could even go, you know, I prefer three, but I'm just saying, Clay, in the case of New York City yesterday, I talked about it. New York Post, 63 people did 5,000 arrestable crimes in New York. 63 people, yeah.

[Clay Travis]

And, and I come back to. This is where the Soros, he recognized George Soros did the weak breaking points of American life. And it was district attorneys. And he realized for almost no money in the grand scheme of political fundraising, he could take over criminal prosecutions all over the country and he could put in soft on crime DA's and those soft on crime DAs do not lock up violent criminals. They constantly put them back out on the streets. And all of us are in danger as a result. Every city, every state in America. So my answer here is pretty straightforward. I think we have to elect DAs that actually put bad guys behind bars and keep them there. I also think this is an interesting analogy, and I hadn't heard it. I saw Elon Musk share it and I Don't know if you talked about it yesterday, but judges basically have no consequences for the choices that they make on the bench. And so if you're a left wing judge, a bleeding heart liberal, you just say, oh, that. I know this guy's been arrested nine times before for violent offenses, but I think he's putting his life back in the right order. Let's go ahead and let him back out on the streets. And then, by and large, that judge makes enough money that he or she is inoculated from the violent crime to a large extent that afflicts much of the city. But when this act, like what happens to the Ukrainian refugee happens in Charlotte, when this act actually happens, there are no consequences for the judges. And somebody analogized, they said, hey, a bartender who overserves can actually be criminally charged and certainly can be civilly charged. I mean, lots of bars have to take huge amounts of insurance out because if you serve too much alcohol to an individual, then they get in a car and they kill someone. There is a culpability there.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, let's play this analogy out. This judge who decided to let this now, as we know, alleged heinous murderer out with basically no punishment at all. This judge would be like a bartender who says, hey, I know you've been arrested for DUI 10 times. I know you've been in five car wrecks in the last two years, and I know that you drink too much in general. But you know what? If you're gonna totally promise me that this time I can give you this bottle of whiskey to just pour shots for yourself before you go home, you're gonna behave. That person might get thrown in prison. Yes, this judge is the equivalent of that bartender.

[Clay Travis]

I think it's a great analogy, and I think it raises the question, why do we have a more stringent standard for behavior for bartenders than we do for judges? And I say this as someone who is a, is a lawyer, I think that judges should have some form of culpability. The problem that we have is a lot of these judges never have to worry about, about job security once they get elected in many communities and or once they are appointed, they basically have lifetime tenure. If you're talking about federal district court judges and beyond, there should be consequences when you screw this up. And I think the answer for our politicians is, unfortunately, we have to take away the discretion from judges. That was the entire point of three strikes and you're out, you have a life sentence. Here's the challenge. And you know, this buck and not enough not enough people talk about it. A lot of violent criminals plead guilty to offenses that do not add up to something that would eventually get them behind bars for a significant period of time. In other words, you get arrested and. And you have engaged in some sort of actually really heinous violent act.

[Buck Sexton]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

Let's just say you walk up and knock out somebody walking down the street who's done nothing to you. I would submit the odds of someone doing that and not engaging in violent acts again are virtually zero. You plead guilty to some form of misdemeanor and you're right back out on the street. So you're not even getting a felony charge when you should get a felony charge when you. Which is why I think three strikes and you're out is actually probably too lenient.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I would, I would add, first of all, you have to remember, for every crime that someone commits that. That they are prosecuted for, chances are there are many crimes that aren't even being tabulated. You know, there are many things that have gone on that aren't attributed to them and maybe aren't even in the statistics at all. That's why we always talk about murder is used as. It's really hard. I mean, they can. But it's really hard to hide a dead body. And it's really hard to say that's not a dead body. That is the result of foul play.

[Clay Travis]

And this is why on this show, that is the number one thing that I think you focus on, because murder happens. Like, we don't argue about whether there was actually a crime when a dead body with a knife shows up or a gunshot wound.

[Buck Sexton]

To your point, though, about what the charges are that are actually on somebody's rap sheet? I saw this NYPD counterterrorism K cases. Same thing would come up. You may have somebody on conspiracy to do something terrible, but it's tough to prove or harder to prove. And now you can get into, oh, are they, you know, were they entrapped into this? You know, they.

[Clay Travis]

They're.

[Buck Sexton]

They were going to go shoot up this or blow up that. You know, they're going to do some terrorist act. But if you have them, Clay, with like a bunch of illegal grenades and an AK47 that they filed the serial number off of, you might just charge him with that because they're going to get 10 years and they'll plead because it's a possession. I bring this up because in the context of a lot of gang and drugs. I mean, gang and drug gang specifically, which is really the same thing. Cases, people end up taking a hit because on, on possession, because they've got you. If they find you with five kilos of cocaine in your house, they might also want you for a, you know, murder for hire rap maybe, but they can't really make it stick. But they nail you on the gun or the drug possession. Happens all the time.

[Clay Travis]

This is why we said the Diddy charges were totally bungled by. Yeah, they had him on drugs, they had him on weapons, and instead they tried to argue that he was engaged in a human, basically trafficking ring. And let me hit you with this because this is the New York Times headline. They finally have covered the murder of Irina Zarutska. Here's the headline in the New York Times today. A gruesome murder in North Carolina ignites a firestorm on the right. Security footage capturing the unprovoked stabbing in Charlotte became an accelerant for conservative arguments about the perceived failings of Democrat policies. Perceived.

[Buck Sexton]

That's perceived. I mean, let's unpack this, Clay. Firestorm on the right. Why isn't it just a firestorm? Why is it only the right that's upset?

[Clay Travis]

That's, that's my, my point. Like, why is a 23 year old Ukrainian refugee. We got all these people with Ukraine flags in their bio. Why have all these people. This girl fled Ukraine to try to be safer in America and she got stabbed to death on public transit in Charlotte. And the video, I think people say, well, why is the video matter? The video shows you how callous and how violent America can be because she never even saw the stabbing coming. Not that stabbings are justified. This tiny little, you know, innocent 23 year old, probably weighed 105 pounds, is sitting there on a public transit. She never even sees the guy behind her about to stab her. She never sees it coming.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, you know, yesterday I mentioned this and we should, we should return to this topic. There's already this, this problem. They're running into body cameras and X, public surveillance cameras and X. We see what is happening. If the, if there wasn't video of this, the New York Times would be talking about a homeless guy with a drug problem who was an aspiring astrophysicist who just snapped and nobody saw it coming. Oh, so sad. But there's video. There's video. So we all know visually, instinctually, what went on here. And that's why all the narrative creation and all the usual propaganda from these scumbags at the Washington Post, the New York Times doesn't work. They can't pull it. They can't pull it together.

[Clay Travis]

And I think for this girl, I think a lot of you out there thought, man, that could have been my daughter, man, that could have been my granddaughter. We're not talking about buck, a bar fight or some two men get in an altercation and somebody ends up ends up dead. This was a completely 100 billion percent innocent girl that could have been anybody's daughter, anybody's granddaughter who just happened to step onto public transit and happened to pick a seat right in front of this psychopath who should have never ever been on the street at all. And I think that New York Times is why it resonates. And I think it resonates with every parent and every grandparent out there in America, white, black, Asian and Hispanic, because any of them could have had to wake up to what happened to that 23 year old girl. And that should never happen anywhere in America. And we should be outraged regardless of our politics when we see videos of it. Look, we've lost touch with our food comes from. Not too long ago you knew you bought local from your farmers, from your local ranchers. You bought oftentimes from your community. But today meat is brought in on cargo ships. There's all sorts of antibiotics, hormones in it, seed oils. We don't know where much of what we buy comes from. That's not true. When it comes to good ranchers, Ben and his wife Corley, they created a great American company that is being funded by great American farmers, great American producers of meats, whether it's salmon, whether it is chicken, pork, whatever you want. American beef also straight to your door. We have good ranchers and we eat it all the time in the house. And in fact we have got, we had a big order come in recently and Katie who works with us, pregnant, about to have her second baby, she's got a two year old, she said, oh my goodness, I want to get some of this too. We give, we order now enough for the household and also for other people because they're like, we love all of these products. If you haven't tried out good Ranchers, I'm telling you, you're going to love it. She tried it in the Travis household, now she's feeding it to her family. If you're a mom, if you're a dad, if you're a grandma and a grandpa out there, go to goodranchers.com use my name Clay as the promo code. You'll get a one time $40 discount plus a $25 discount going forward on all of your orders. That's $65 off for these orders. Months and months to come of great food coming to your home. Just try. Try it. Trust me on this. GoodRanchers.com Code Clay that's GoodRanchers.com Code clay Patriots radio hosts a couple of regular.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

All right, welcome back in. So let's get to a lot of calls and talk, facts and everything. This is an important topic, a topic people feel passionately about. Joanne in Greensboro, North Carolina. What have you got for us, Joanne?

[Joanne (Caller)]

Okay, so I believe with my whole heart that the black community has been indoctrinated. Indoctrinated for years on purpose to believe that the largest percentage of whites are racist. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

[Clay Travis]

No, you continue. You called us.

[Joanne (Caller)]

Yeah, I was just going to say the first time I became aware of this, I was watching an old talk show, Phil Donahue, back in the 80s, and there was a couple on there, a black couple that were married and their best friends. I got it backwards when I was talking to your intern, but their best friends were a black couple and they were expressing to the white couple how fearful they were because their children were away at college and they were getting indoctrinated to be militant. So I mean it's been going on for years. And I have a black son, my ex husband is black. I have black. Me and my husband have little biracial grandchildren. I've been part of the black community for the better part of 40, almost 50 years now. And I can tell you and the black community that wants to be truthful when they speak out, you know, and they do very often it's just not covered. But there's not the level of racism that people are being led to believe. It's not true.

[Clay Travis]

Thank thank you for the call. Joanne. Here's what I would say in general in all of this. I think that most people, white, black, Asian, Hispanic are good, decent, non racist people. I think there are racist white, black, Asian and Hispanic people. And if we had that conversation rationally as a country and all of you, regardless of your race, are aware of this, some people do behave in stereotypical fashion. Some people are racist, that is a minority. But we have to have a rational conversation about it. And we have to have a conversation that actually benefits the entire nation. And if we want violent crime to go down, I mean actually want it to go down, we have to look at the data and go after the people who are committing the violent crime. If we do, violent crime goes down. This is not rocket science. More of your talkbacks, More of your reactions.

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[Clay Travis]

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