Hour 1 - I Forgive You

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show – Hour 1: "I Forgive You"

Date: September 22, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode focuses on the aftermath and national reaction to the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton reflect on the memorial held over the weekend in Phoenix, which featured keynotes by J.D. Vance, Erica Kirk (Charlie’s widow), and former President Donald Trump. The hosts discuss themes of forgiveness, nonviolent response in the face of tragedy, and the impact of Kirk’s legacy, especially as demonstrated by Erica Kirk's powerful speech. The episode also turns to political topics, including an analysis of Kamala Harris’s newly released book and the Democratic party's power struggles, with some lighthearted commentary on political grudges and future prospects.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Charlie Kirk Memorial and Erica Kirk’s Speech

Description of the Memorial Event

• The memorial was attended by nearly 100,000 people in Phoenix, with an overflow crowd.
• Featured speeches by J.D. Vance, Erica Kirk, Donald Trump, and Stephen Miller.
• The hosts note the event’s significance as a rallying point for conservative unity and a testament to Kirk’s impact.

Erica Kirk’s Forgiveness and Grace

• Erica Kirk's speech is highlighted as the most resonant moment, particularly her public forgiveness of Charlie’s assassin.
• Clay notes the extraordinary composure Erica showed, praising her as the most compelling speaker of the event.
• Quote:
  • "My husband Charlie, he wanted to save young men just like the one who took his life... our savior said, 'Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.' That man, that young man, I forgive him."
    – Erica Kirk (as replayed by Clay and Buck, 06:14 - 06:47)

Emphasis on Nonviolent Response

• The hosts stress that, despite the public outrage and pain, there was no rioting or violence from Kirk’s supporters—contrasted with past unrest following politically charged incidents.
• Quote:
  • "After Charlie's assassination, we didn't see violence. We didn't see rioting. We didn't see revolution. Instead we saw what my husband always prayed he would see in this country. We saw revival." – Erica Kirk (as replayed by Buck, 07:17 - 07:54)

The Memorial’s Broader Significance

• The event showcased the Conservative movement’s resolve and undertook the challenge of continuing Kirk's work.
• Buck: “... showed that this is going to be a life’s work that is celebrated … and have incredibly positive effects ... for generations to come.” (08:15)
• Hosts contrast the respectful, peaceful response with what they describe as a pattern of violent protest on the left.

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2. Responses to Political Violence and the Call for Constructive Action

Condemnation of Rioting as a Political Response

• Clay criticizes the idea that rioting is a legitimate form of dissent:
  “Looting and rioting is the voice of the voiceless. … No, it’s just an excuse to steal things.” (09:34)
• Argues for a model where outrage and anger are channeled into “constructive and productive” responses—using the Kirk memorial as an example.

The “Both Sides” Debate

• Buck criticizes media and political attempts to claim equivalence between right and left in terms of public disorder:
  “Any attempt at both sides is in American politics today is dishonest because there’s no boarding up of stores. There’s no fear of riots … and if that stuff started, people on the right would say, knock that off. We don’t do that.” (11:47)
• Asserts that the right fosters greater internal discipline in such moments.

Inspiring the Next Generation

• Clay expresses hope that Kirk’s example will inspire young conservatives to be more active and courageous:
  “I do believe there are a lot of young people, that this will have a transformative impact on their life.” (13:31)

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3. Political Catch-Up: Kamala Harris’s New Book and Democratic Party Infighting

News & Political Headlines Roundup (19:59+)

• The hosts briefly hit a few headlines:
  • California barring ICE agents from wearing masks (with legal challenges anticipated).
  • The would-be assassin of Justice Kavanaugh now identifying as a trans woman and the lack of media attention to this.
  • Ongoing Democratic party leadership struggles and “lawless” political moves by progressive states.

Analysis of Kamala Harris’s New Book ("107 Days")

• Buck admits to (possibly preordering) Kamala’s new book, framing it as preparation to “mock” its contents.
• The hosts banter about using the book as a fantasy football “punishment,” highlighting the negative reputation Harris’s writing already holds in their circles.
• Memorable Moment:
  • "Kamala Harris’s book and a book report ... would be a phenomenal punishment.” – Clay Travis (24:19)

Kamala’s Political Future

• Play a clip (27:22) of Stephen A. Smith stating that Kamala Harris’s political career is over, which Buck applauds.
  • Smith: “I believe Kamala Harris’s political career is over. I think you’ve seen the last of her with this book ... this was the last straw.” (27:22)
• Clay disagrees, arguing Harris’s ambition and resentment mean she will continue to compete for office, portraying her as driven by “a deep hole in her soul.” (28:48, 34:15)
• The pair use the Gavin Newsom-Kamala Harris rivalry (including Newsom not returning Harris’s calls) as emblematic of internal Democratic strife, with several lighthearted comparisons and jokes about political grudges.

Metacommentary on Political Brand and Ambition

• Buck speculates that Harris has better long-term prospects transitioning into a “kingmaker” role or prestigious academic post, while Clay argues her ambition is too great to step aside.
• They draw a comparison to Hillary Clinton, noting different circumstances due to finances and political appetite.

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4. Listener Engagement and Wrap-up (45:22+)

Listener Call: Kamala as a “Throwaway Candidate”

• Carol from Indianapolis suggests Harris was always seen as a losing candidate, and that if she runs again, she still won’t win establishment support. (45:22)

Hosts’ Final Thoughts

• Clay reiterates he thinks Harris will run (but not that she’ll win), Buck doubts she’ll even contest.
• Both agree that the ongoing Democratic disarray is significant for 2025’s political landscape.
• Briefly tease returning topics (Jimmy Kimmel, more news) going into the next hour.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|----------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 06:14 | Erica Kirk | "My husband Charlie, he wanted to save young men just like the one who took his life ... I forgive him." | | 07:43 | Erica Kirk | "We didn’t see rioting ... Instead we saw what my husband always prayed he would see in this country. We saw revival." | | 09:34 | Clay Travis | “Looting and rioting is the voice of the voiceless ... No, it’s just an excuse to steal things.” | | 11:47 | Buck Sexton | “Any attempt at both sides ... is dishonest because there’s no boarding up of stores ... We don’t do that.” | | 13:31 | Clay Travis | “I do believe there are a lot of young people, that this will have a transformative impact on their life.” | | 27:22 | Stephen A. Smith | “I believe Kamala Harris’s political career is over. I think you’ve seen the last of her with this book.” | | 28:48 | Clay Travis | “…Kamala Harris has a deep hole in her soul. And I don't believe it can be sated…” | | 34:15 | Clay Travis | “If you write in there, ‘hiking, he never called me back’ … I think she and Gavin Newsom hate each other…” | | 45:22 | Carol (caller) | “I don't think they ever thought that she could win. That's why they put her in, because she was a throwaway candidate.” |

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:52 – Clay introduces the show’s focus: the Charlie Kirk Memorial.
• 06:14 – Erica Kirk’s forgiveness of her husband’s assassin (audio replay).
• 07:43 – Erica Kirk on the nonviolent response (audio replay).
• 11:47 – Buck on “both sides” false equivalence in political violence.
• 13:31 – Clay discusses the event’s positive influence on youth.
• 19:59 – Political news round-up: CA’s ICE law, the Kavanaugh case, Kamala’s book release.
• 24:19 – Kamala Harris book as a fantasy football punishment.
• 27:22 – Stephen A. Smith declares Kamala’s career “over” (audio).
• 34:15 – Clay and Buck recount Harris/Newsom personal and political rivalry.
• 45:22 – Listener Carol shares her perspective on Kamala as a “throwaway candidate.”

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Conclusion

This episode balances somber reflection—especially around Charlie Kirk’s assassination and memorial—with sharp-tongued political analysis and humor. Erica Kirk’s speech emerges as the emotional and moral centerpiece, highlighting forgiveness and dignified response, which the hosts contrast with what they allege are typical reactions from the political left. The latter half transitions to Democratic party drama, offering predictions and friendly wagers about Kamala Harris’s prospects and the party’s future. The tone is passionate, a blend of reverence, wit, and pointed critique, with the hosts both rallying their audience and keeping them engaged with lively, topical commentary.

Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

You are accurate in your assumptions there. Yeah. Kerry in particular wanted to watch, really almost the whole thing, I think. I mean, it was on for hours. I did a bit of babysitting. And so I wasn't able to give it my undivided attention because speed is adorable, but fussy sometimes. But I did get to watch. I watched Trump's speech. I watched Erica's speech. J.D. vance, Stephen Miller, who I thought gave a, in his own Stephen Miller way spectacular speech, is very much a rallying cry, very much about the fight for the future that Charlie would want us all to engage in and stay focused on. But it was an incredible event and a fitting tribute to a remarkable young man, a remarkable conservative father, husband and American. So it really, it really came together very well.

[Clay Travis]

Let's play what I thought was the most unbelievable, resonant moment of a day filled with many of them. And that was Erica Kirk, who I I just. What an incredible job she did last week on the Friday to within 48 hours of her husband's assassination. But then to come out and perform in front of this crowd in such a way that she did is frankly extraordinary. And I thought the moment. And this is the COVID of the New York Post today. This is the clip that is circulating more than any other is Erica Kirk for giving Charlie's assassin. Here is cut one.

[Buck Sexton]

My husband Charlie, he wanted to save young men just like the one who took his life on the cross. Our savior said, father, forgive them for.

[Clay Travis]

They not know what they do.

[Buck Sexton]

That man, that young man, I forgive him.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, Buck, that was. And that's 30 seconds of a five or six hour event. But I thought it distilled perfectly her message. One more cut. And I do think this is important too. After Charlie Kirk's assassination, not one person that I have seen who was a Charlie Kirk supporter has been arrested for an act of violence, for lashing out, looting, rioting in any way. And Erica Kirk pointed that out.

[Buck Sexton]

Cut to after Charlie's assassination, we didn't.

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

Instead we saw what my husband always prayed he would see in this country. We saw revival.

[Clay Travis]

I thought those two clips perfectly distilled the entire day. Buck, anything else stand out to you? And I'm sure that you were as blown away by Erica Kirk, who is not a professional politician, who is not a professional speech giver. And the fact that to me, she was the most compelling of anyone that took the stage yesterday.

[Buck Sexton]

It was what we, I think, all expected it to be. In terms of the power and the emotion of the gathering. You had not just the President himself, but every top White House advisor, top Republicans, people who all wanted to pay tribute to Charlie and to turning point into the movement that he has created. And I just think that this solidified if anybody had any questions. And I think there, there are people do have anxieties about, oh my gosh, you know, will the work continue? Will the, will we stay in the fight? I think that this memorial, this service for Charlie with almost 100,000 people in attendance, answered those questions and then some and showed that this is going to be a life's work that is celebrated. It's obviously incredibly sad. And we think about his wife and his children and his family and that pain is still very much there. But Charlie accomplished so much in his 31 years that it will continue to Inspire Americans and I think have incredibly positive effects on the country for not just years, but generations to come. And that's what, what greater tribute for the, the movement and the work that he did could you have than that?

[Clay Travis]

I also think it's time for us to, in the event that we have these riots and this looting you always hear, you know, looting and rioting is the voice of the voiceless. All these things. No, it's just an excuse to steal things. And there is no emotion. If, if, if all of these people can see what happened to Charlie Kirk killed in cold blood, the video widely distributed everywhere, a 100% innocent person engaged in a free speech event and the response to that is a revival church like event, then I think any argument that in any way this is what they try to say on the left, oh, it's justified. It's the voice of the voiceless. You know, all the things that they, that they trot out there. I hope that in the future when there is a scintilla of violent acts that people are better than what Tim Walls was. Because I think if Minnesota frankly had a governor with a spine, I think they would have stopped the rioting instantaneously in Minneapolis. I think if they had, it would not have spread everywhere else. I hope that we have learned how to shut down violent protests. Buck, I think what happened with Trump in LA is a good example of this. I think he saw these could be nationwide ice protests. No one wants to talk about it. He called in the National Guard, they arrested people and basically the protest ended. And I'm not saying you can't protest. You and I were big free speech proponents. I'm perfectly fine with you making a poster board and going and marching for whatever you believe in. But you don't have the right to get a Molotov cocktail and light a police car on fire. You don't have the right to burn down buildings. You don't have the right to act in anger. And the fact that we allowed that to happen, I think is a dark stain on America's soul. And, and I think the response to what happened to Charlie Kirk has shown us that we can be angry, we can be outraged, but we can be constructive and productive in the way that we respond to it. And I hope that we have this example of how to deal with, frankly, a political assassination the likes of which most of us had never lived through. I hope it is something that will be a lesson going forward.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is also a moment where you see that any attempt at both sides is in American politics today is dishonest because there's no boarding up of stores. There's no fear of riots and bloodshed in the streets, which is obviously a good thing. And that is also what our expectation is, meaning that if that stuff started to happen, people on the right would say, knock that off. We don't do that. What are you doing? You're playing into the other side's hands to what you were saying a moment ago, Clay. The left can pick any issue and they can start acting like maniacs in the streets. They can have formerly Biden and then Kamala voters come forward and say that what they're doing is somehow justified because of fill in the blank, you know, historical grievances, systematic racism, you know, the trans genocide, whatever it may be. They have to make, or they choose to make allowances on their side for those kinds of transgressions because it is baked into the ideology. Honestly. Emotional instability is one of the unifying characteristics of the left. Unfortunately, at the extremes, that means people that are violent and destructive, and we've seen far too much of that. So it was exactly the kind of memorial and remembrance and celebration of life that we would want to see, based on the principles that Charlie stood for and based on the kind of guy that he was. So I think that everybody should, to the degree that we're all still grieving and healing, but everyone should feel quite proud of how the right came together and how people are celebrating Charlie's life and his work.

[Clay Travis]

I also think it's hard not to think that there are going to be a lot of Charlie Kirk's that. That rise up. It's impossible to replace any legend. You and I sit here at the golden microphone talking to everybody out there every single day. What it takes is a lot of people to lift their voices and be courageous and brave. And I do believe there are a lot of young people, that this will have a transformative impact on their life. And I think you're already starting to see it. I mentioned my boys, my teenage boys wearing coats and ties. All the boys in their school doing it too. Even though, Buck, you remember when you had to wear an outfit, they hate wearing coats and ties. But that is something that they recognize is worthy of. Of commemoration, of memorialization. I think there are so many young people out there that are going to be continuing to be impacted by Charlie Kirk in a very, very significant way. And I think that's the positive evocation of the event. We'll take some of your calls. Maybe some of you were there. No guests today, so we've got a lot to react to. We'll have some fun. That fallout of Kamala Harris's book Buck is it is glorious. I have to say.

[Buck Sexton]

I have. I have a lot of thoughts, Clay. I have a lot of thoughts.

[Clay Travis]

And you and I were on. We can have some fun. You and I were on Katie, Kaylee McNeely's show, her debut. And a lot of people were not happy with my lighting, not happy with my tie, and so we will have some fun with that as well. But congratulations to Kaylee on the new show. We were happy to be among her first guests ever. Her dad, big Mississippi State fan, got a big game going on in Starkville this weekend against the University of Tennessee. I'm sure he's listening right now. Awesome guy. Congrats to him too. Look Cyber Scrammer scammers want your personal info. When they steal it, they either sell it or use it to set up bogus accounts. Important to understand how cybercrime and and identity theft are affecting our lives. Which is why you want LifeLock. LifeLock can protect your online info better than all others. They monitor millions of data points online looking for evidence that some scammer has your info and is using it illegally. If you do become a victim of identity theft, a dedicated US based lifelock restoration specialist will fix it, guaranteed or your money back. Get a LifeLock membership today for you or a family member. And if you join now, you can save 40% off your first year with promo code CLAY. Call 1-800-LIFELOCK or go online to lifelock.com and use promo code CLAY for 40 off. That's lifelock.com promo code CLAY for 40 OFF.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back into Clay and Buck a bunch of news stories to put on your Radar. We're going to dive into some of them here shortly. California has barred ICE agents from wearing masks, Clay. This doesn't go into effect until January. They know it's going to be challenged. But we should talk about this. Just the, the utter contempt for immigration enforcement that the state government of California has, along with some other states who are trying to pass similar laws, which are. These are lawless laws. They know that they don't have the authority to do this. They're just doing it anyway. And they know the court will eventually overturn them, but they are just doing it anyway. We'll get to that. This just came out, Clay. And because of some other bigger stories, I think got far less attention than it would have otherwise. The wacko who said he wanted to kill Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh is now identifies as a trans woman. Yes, so there's that. We can discuss a bit more on that.

[Clay Travis]

Just to mention that too, Buck. Nobody is covering it like the fact that this guy is trans. First of all, we should dive into this in a little bit. But the fact that we had a Supreme Court justice that was attempted to be assassinated, the guy now says, hey, I knew that if I killed enough people, Roe v. Wade wouldn't be overturned. I mean, this is another direct political assassination from the left attempt. And most people just pretend it never happened.

[Buck Sexton]

And there's another part of that, Clay, which is that they released the decision illicitly early. A leftist, clearly.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

We never found out who it was. Somebody knew that Roe was about to be overturned. Somebody who works in the Supreme Court. Ok. Knew Roe was going to be done and decided maybe we can change history or change the future here. If we put it out there and someone takes action. That's exactly what this was.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

So that should not be forgotten. That there was a whole series of events leading up to this now trans identifying individual who said he wanted to kill Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh trying to keep Roe v. Wade, the so called law of the land. It was lawless all along. That's. That's one. And then on a far less serious note, but. But a. An interesting note nonetheless, Clay. Kamala Harris book is not going over well with people. And I, I've got to tell you, this is not a surprise to me. I am. I have. I have downloaded Kamala's book to my Kindle and I have a long flight.

[Clay Travis]

You paid. You paid for Kamala's book?

[Buck Sexton]

Wait, hold on, Clay.

[Clay Travis]

You got after me for buying original sin and reading it and there was actual news in There. This is big breaking news. You bought Kamala's book.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm. I am. I actually it might even be in my. In my Amazon cart. But by. During the show today. It will be. It will be bought.

[Clay Travis]

I would have lost a lot of money on the bet. Will buck by Kamala's book.

[Buck Sexton]

Hold on. I, Clay, am an aspiring kamalologist. Kamalo. Kamalogist. Kamala. How do we say the. A expert in Kamala. I am a expert in all things Kamala. And so I am going to read her book. I'm going to read her book. I'm going to be able to bring you lots of mockery of this, of said book. And I am not the only one because people out there are. They are not liking the score settling, which goes to my point that her future in the Democrat party is. Is essentially zero. But I.

[Clay Travis]

We disagree. We should have some. Let's talk about this when we come back. But I will say this.

[Buck Sexton]

A brilliant voice weighed in on my side of this.

[Clay Travis]

A brilliant voice. I know. We will play that. We come back. Let's have some fun with this. I will say if you are out there and you play fantasy football and you are looking for punishments that someone might have to serve if they come in last place, this is a thing in fantasy football. Kamala Harris's book. And a book report with drafted analysis, like a written book report, as if you are a kid, would be a phenomenal punishment.

[Buck Sexton]

People would just use ChatGPT, but they should have to read it on their. On their Instagram or their social media account. You know, they have to read their book report of Kamala's book.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

To be clear, the reason that I wasn't I've pre ordered it. Right. So that's it's, it's pre ordered but it is officially pre ordered.

[Clay Travis]

I will have it get it on release day. Does it automatic? I'm not a Kindle reader so I assume at like 12:01am it immediately downloads to your Kindle. Is that the way it works?

[Buck Sexton]

I assume that when you go with your future is female T shirt, your man bun and your thick rimmed glasses to the Kamala Book Event Club that you will tell her that that your esteemed co host is a fan of her work and would like a signed copy a signed copy of of the Kamala memoir which I will tell you is already in the excerpts that have come out upsetting a lot of Democrats because it's a scornful, spiteful score settling medley is what I'm picking up from the the early, early excerpts that you can read.

[Clay Travis]

I will say this, I love that she said she couldn't pick Mayor Pete because he was gay and she thought America wasn't ready for a black woman and a gay vice president. And then she went and picked Tim Walls as her vice as her vice president who frankly maybe I think is far less masculine than Mayor Pete. Like, I mean come on, this is, this is absolutely ridiculous. But Buck has now made good friends. I debated Stephen A. Smith, more of a conversation than a debate on Tuesday in New York City, as many of you know. And Stephen A. He went off on Kamala Harris co signing the Buck Sexton take that. Her political career is over. Cut nine Scream at A. Smith he's fired up about Kamala.

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[Buck Sexton]

This Stephen A. Fellow is, is eloquent and on point with this one, Mr. Clay. Wait, wait, wait.

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[Clay Travis]

Okay, well, you have a safe bet over this hold.

[Buck Sexton]

I know, but I just want to play the first five seconds of that clip again. Can you guys all just play it just so I can hear it one more time?

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[Buck Sexton]

I'm sorry. The sweet, sweet sounds in my. I'm sorry. Yes, we have a steak bet about this. Go ahead.

[Clay Travis]

I'm sticking to it. I, I, I just, I think that Kamala Harris has a deep hole in her soul. And I don't believe it can be sated in any way by your theory, which I think would be a healthy thing. Right. I think it would be healthy on some level if Kamala Harris just said, hey, you know what? Make me president of UCLA or, you know, one of the greatest places in the entire world, Santa Barbara, California. And it is unbelievably, breathtakingly beautiful there. Make me the head of ucsb, and I'll go chill by the ocean and have an amazing life. All those things I agree with would make sense. That's not her. I think she's gonna run because I don't think she has anything else that can fulfill the deep hole of her soul.

[Buck Sexton]

So here, here's where I, I come in, and I have to say, high fiving Mr. Stephen A. I was just in Clay's corner. I feel like a turn coat over here. I was like, go get him, Clay. And you guys had a very respectful and robust conversation. Really wasn't like a knockdown, slap him kind of debate situation. And now I feel like I'm in Stephen A's corner on this one, at least just for this one issue, because I see it the way that he does. And it's because, as you, as you noted, I've always thought that Kamala, she. I've even chosen the job. She's going to become Provost, Chancellor, president. Yeah. UC School.

[Clay Travis]

I think your philosophy is a good one. If she actually were not broken psychologically.

[Buck Sexton]

But, but here's, here's where I think she's got more, there's, there's more of an issue. She's not super rich. Like, she's not Pelosi. Yeah. Trump. I mean, she's, you know, she's not. Right. She's not super rich yet. Her husband, I think, does. Well, you know, it means they're wealthy. I think they're worth like $10 million or something. Wasn't they have to disclose this stuff and she still can play some role in the next generation. Transition, kingmaker, etc. If she goes out there and gets a nihilist. Because, remember, if you're running against her, you're going to make the arguments that you and I are making here about. She didn't say anything. When Biden had dementia, she hid from the media. People thought she was worse than the dementia guy, which is why the whole Democrat apparatus was still pushing her. Like she, it's a humiliation ritual she's going to go through if she runs again. If I, if I am her advisor and truly, and as we know, Clay, I'm an aspiring commonologist. If I am her advisor, I would tell her, you have a better, you have better prospects of making money and having some, you know, sway in the machinery of the Democrat Party if you play pivot, transition person to the next and not. I'm going to go in there and try to make myself the nominee again. Now, you may be right because of her insatiable ego and narcissism. I'm not, I'm not like, betting the House on this one. I'm betting a steak on this one. But to me, she just, she blew all of the political capital that she had in this last election. And so to go forward now, it just makes her look like even, you know, she does further damage to the brand. That's, that's my take. I could be wrong, but Stephen A. Doesn't think so.

[Clay Travis]

No, look, I, I, if we had said on January 10 of 2021, Trump is going to run again in 2024 and he is going to win a landslide election victory in November of 2024, that would have been seen as an outrageous and outlandish prediction even by most of the people that are listening to us right now, many of whom voted for Trump three times. A lot of you would have said, you're crazy, Clay. I think four years, a long time. And I just look at it all of these Democrat candidates have outrageously huge flaws. And so I look at it. I think you said over the weekend or on Friday, because I was out traveling up to Michigan. I don't dislike your take of Newsom AOC as the, you know, potential presidential candidate ticket. I don't think that's a bad president. Vice president prediction. I love that Newsom never called Kamala back. I don't know that we've talked about this on the show.

[Buck Sexton]

That's cool.

[Clay Travis]

In her book said she called Gavin Newsom. He said hiking will call you back. And never called her back. I mean, that is, that is like cold blooded. That is worse than when you ask a girl to the prom and she's like, I've got to go wash my hair. And you know, I mean, Gavin Newsom, the entire campaign never called Kamala back after she called to ask for his support when he got. When she got elevated on the coronation.

[Buck Sexton]

I would argue that that's even colder than the non response. That if he had non respond to her non response. You can always say, I didn't see it. I meant to. I got super busy. I'm hiking. Which is a fancy way of saying walking outside. I don't have time to talk to you while you're running for president.

[Clay Travis]

Is.

[Buck Sexton]

That's ice cold. Dude, that's. That is polar vortex cold.

[Clay Travis]

So my take on that is she really hates some of these people. Yes, she really hates some of these people. Because if you write in there, hiking. He never called me back. I think she and Gavin Newsome hate each other and I think she sees not running as effectively being a coronation of Gavin Newsom. I also think, think about how bad like I would have called Kamala Harris back if Kamala. Think about this.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, clearly I would have called Kamala back to wish her well in her book.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, you. You would have been. You would have never missed the call. You would have been sitting there with it open like this. It wouldn't even have hardly run photo.

[Buck Sexton]

Her photo would come up right away on the phone.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, you wouldn't even have the first ring. You would have hit answer. I, I would have called Kamala Harris back me. If Kamala Harris had called me. Trump called her back. They talked multiple times. According to the book, you'll be able to update us when it downloads to your Kindle at 12:01am tomorrow. And you're eagerly reading the first page. I buck. What are you doing? I'm gonna stay up late. I'm Gonna read the first. The Caval Harris book as soon as it arrives. 1201 on my Kindle. I think that she hates these guys. I think she's motivated by grudges. I think, again, the hole in her soul, she feels disrespected. And candidly, if somebody doesn't call me back, I feel disrespected, much less if I'm calling them to tell them that I'm running for President of the United States. That is Gavin Newsom being so dismissive of Kamala that he never believed she could win. I mean, this story is, I actually think, a really good one.

[Buck Sexton]

I think you're. There's an analogy here or there's a historical precedent. Clay of female politician, whole in soul, very much aligned on that. Missed the big one. Didn't run the next time around. Hillary Clinton, 2020.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. Now, I think the analogy on Hillary would be Bill Clinton was president twice. She was a senator. I think she felt like she. She actually ran a campaign that she thought was a good one and lost. And I think she decided they're just never going to elect me. I think Hillary, that soul hole in her soul grew, and I don't know about that. In all honesty. I don't know about the health conditions of Hillary Clinton.

[Buck Sexton]

I do think she. They also had 100 million in the bank. And so there was a different. The motivations are always different. Here, look.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Running for president now is a financial decision, a brand and financial. Running for president, financial brand decision for.

[Clay Travis]

A lot of people that are not already independently wealthy. I. I do think that the way that she feels disrespected and the title of her book, 107 Days, presumes. I think it's wrong. I think you would agree with this. I'll be curious after you read it. The longer she was in the race, the less likely she was to win it. I think she's misreading the time as an issue. It wasn't that people didn't know enough about Kamala. It was that they knew enough to know that they didn't want to vote for her. And the longer she spent in the race, the less likely it was they were going to vote for her. And so I think if she had had a thousand days, which. Or 700 days or whatever, which is basically how long you have to run if you're announcing. I think she's going to announce, and I think she's going to run. So I'm sticking to it.

[Buck Sexton]

She. I like. I like where you are on this one.

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[Buck Sexton]

Remember when they were not having her do any media. And we were on the air talking about this and saying, how could they. This is just the craziest thing. And then she did her first media. And it was a reminder that they were in an impossible decision. They could not both of the decision hide her, let her talk. Both horrible and in fact, I'm not sure which one is worse. So that was the candidate that the Democrats offered up. And I. Here's the thing, Clay. I think, look, Gavin Newsom, that guy, he, you know, if. If. If it means that he gets power, he'll fight as dirty as anybody in American politics. You and I both know it, right? For all of his suave, you know, windswept sand in the hair and open shirt and everything, he would, you know, he would shove grandma out of the way and break her hip if he had to. Like, he doesn't care.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, remember when we said Gavin Newsom was definitely as excited as he could possibly be when Donald Trump won?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, yeah.

[Clay Travis]

The fact that he never called Kamala back. He wanted Trump to win with every fabric of his being. And I bet he. They. I bet they toasted. I bet they broke open wine bottles. I bet they had a party that you have not seen the likes of since he was hanging out at the.

[Buck Sexton]

But I think that's because he knows that. I think that's because he knows that California is his now and that the base of the Democrat party is his. It's his. He's his platform. And if she tries to fight him for it. This is what I'm getting to. He is good at all this stuff.

[Clay Travis]

Everything.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, this, this. I'm stuck hiking. Sorry. Is going to be the nicest thing he's ever said to her.

[Clay Travis]

I was hiking and he didn't call her back in 107 days. That's crazy. To me.

[Buck Sexton]

It's a long hike. I mean, he's really shape.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, you didn't have time to ever call her back. I mean, that is pretty, pretty crazy. Honestly.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

That's why they put her in, because.

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[Clay Travis]

Won'T get their endorsement and she won't be the one who actually goes against the Republican.

[Buck Sexton]

Carol, before I let Clay weigh in with real analysis. If Clay loses this bet, should he have to cut up my steak and feed the first bite to me on social media? What do you think?

[Clay Travis]

Absolutely.

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[Clay Travis]

Carol. I appreciate the call. She also, I think a Colts fan and very excited about Daniel Jones having the Colts three. And oh, I will say that's what she told the screener. Anyway, I don't think Kamala is going to be the nominee. I'm just saying she's going to run. And I think there is a pathway for her to get the nomination. But I agree that she's not a good candidate and more time actually hurts her.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, well, I would not even let you take a bet. I'm effectively certain she won't be the nominee, at least in my head. The only question is, will she run? I still think she won't. You think she will? We'll see what ends up happening. But why do we talk about this other than it's just fun to make fun of Kamala? It's because it shows you what Democrat disarray is right now and where their leadership is, what kind of decisions they're making, and what we're going to face in the not distant future. Clay, is Jimmy Kimmel coming back? Let's talk about it.

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[Clay Travis]

I'm Asma Khalid in Washington, D.C. i'm Tristan Redmond in London and this is the Global Story.

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[Clay Travis]

Listen on BBC or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Buck Sexton]

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