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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show podcast.
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Buck Sexton
Welcome, everybody. Thursday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Thanks for being being here with us. We have lots to discuss today with all of you. Right now, Donald Trump president is addressing the nation on Rolling back some Obama, I'm sorry, Biden kind of like Obama, Biden era energy rules, a whole range of other things. We will bring you the highlights of that. We don't think we need to go live right to it, given the subject matter, but we'll bring you any highlights that come from that. Some other big things on our radar, the indictment of Raul Castro. Castro yeah, everyone's seeing this, I think, clay the last 24 hours pretty much the same way, which is gearing up for something with Cuba. Something is going to happen here. The status quo is not going to be what happens. Trump administration is saying they're in the final stages of negotiations. We'll see. We've been in the final stages of negotiations for weeks now. We'll see what that means. The launch of the $1.7 billion anti weaponization fund. Clay fund. Clay Something I think is worth discussing a little bit of the aftermath as well of some of the elections yesterday. And some people very upset about Massie, some people on the right very upset that Massie lost his congressional seat. I think it's interesting. Clearly this is about the symbolism of the Massie fight because one seat in Congress is first of all, it's going to go to a Republican. So it's not like we're even losing a House seat, really. It's just not going to be a guy who had built a lot of his reputation over the last year or so on attacking Donald Trump and the Epstein files stuff and all the rest of it worth maybe revisiting some of that, something Clay and I both noted and I am glad that he thought it was worthy of discussion as well. Today, Harvard's about to get rid of great inflation, it seems. Yes, this is part of a broader trend. I mean, I could tell you quite honestly, I can only speak from my own experience you tell me, Clay, if this was the deal at GW at Amherst, if you had a pulse and you didn't assault anyone during class hours, you pretty much got a B, maybe a B plus. And if you did some work, you got an A minus. And if you were like, reasonably talented, you got an A. That was, that was really. Those were the only grades. Unless you got caught plagiarizing and then you failed. Those were the only. Because that happened to people that I know. Those were the only options. Harvard's now going to have a bell curve, which means there's going to be a whole bunch of people in the middle, but then there's going to be some A's and some F's.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, look, I, I think. So if you go back and study and some of you are going to remember this great inflation really took off during the Vietnam War because you had to have a certain. Some of you are going to remember this. You had to have a certain GPA to be able to avoid the draft. And many different professors out there didn't want to be the reason that somebody went from being in a classroom to being forced to be. To be drafted in the initial days, that was a exemption you could get. And so if you go back and look great in Inflation started to skyrocket then. And then it really took off anew during COVID And I, I, I think it was just this idea of, well, we're not going to punish people. We don't want too much stress coming down on kids. And I've looked at this. I think it's 70% of all Harvard classes you get an A now. 70%. I mean, that, that is crazy. Now, to be fair, some people would argue, well, if you're smart enough to get into Harvard, you are operating at a different level than your average student.
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Buck Sexton
And also not, Also not true, by the way. That's a whole other.
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Clay Travis
There are some. What I would say, if you want to adopt that mantra, there are a couple of law schools, at least two that I know of, Stanford and Yale, which just have pass fail for law school. There are no grades. Their argument to recruiters is Stanford and Yale are so elite, all we do is pass fail. Um, and that gives students the opportunity to pursue their interest. And frankly, if you're gonna pass the bar exam at an incredibly high rate, which you should, if you're admitted to either of those schools, then I would get it. I actually think just going pass fail is a better solution than giving everybody A's. But Harvard now is saying they're doing away with great inflation. And as Harvard goes, everywhere goes buck. We talked about this, too. There's an article, front page, I think yesterday I was reading in the Wall Street Journal, have you seen the number of kids that now get necessary medical additional time to take advanced tests, and how skewed it is for rich school districts? In other words, you get untouchable.
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Buck Sexton
Can I tell you something about this? I. I have particular. I grew up in New York at the absolute peak of SAT prep frenzy, where there were articles written. And this is in 1990, you know, 98, $99 about people making $1,000 an hour to be SAT tutors. Okay. That's how crazy it was in New York City. This was not necessarily. Probably had this a little bit in la, too. But New York, New York and Boston are always. I think the. And DC Will some extent the epicenters of this. But so many. There were people I knew who. They built their whole practices, sort of like child psychology practices, on basically giving whatever parents would write them the checks. Untimed testing. And the thing about untimed testing that is so pernicious is that it's not like it says you took untimed testing because then, of course, that's not fair. So everyone thinks that you got the same score that everybody else did under the same constraints. It's a lie.
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Clay Travis
It's a lie.
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Buck Sexton
If you need on time testing, then they should just say you had on time testing, and the school can decide whether they want to deal with that constraint or not. But, Clay, it was all over the place. I knew people went to Ivy League schools of every kind. Stanford, Duke, you name it. Untimed testing just so they could juice it, by the way, they didn't need it just so they could juice up their sats. The whole thing was a scam, folks. We're all. Now. Now because data is everywhere and we can find these things. The scams, Clay, it's not just Somalis running scams. A lot of people are running scams out there.
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Clay Travis
Well, we saw. Was it the varsity blue case where people were buying their kids way into a different wide variety.
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Buck Sexton
That's a whole different thing that. That's. That's pretending that your kid is a. Is a crew star when.
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Clay Travis
But. But I think what you're seeing is the systems are being exploited in many different ways. And the stat was that 40% of Stanford's class got special accommodations on testing. And you know what's funny about this is in 2020, they suddenly said it's racist to Standardized tests, you remember. So everybody went standardized test optional. For those of you who have forgotten many of the different crazy things that happened in 2020 and then what do you think happened? They found out that they were admitting people who didn't have the ability to do the bare minimum and stay eligible in the schools, that the standardized testing was, was a rough approximation of your ability to complete high level schoolwork. And so they have all now slowly trickled back in to requiring the SAT or the ACT as a way. Because this goes to the great inflation thing, Buck. Everybody's getting great inflated. So if Everybody has a 4O who's a decent student at so many different schools, how do you tell the difference between a 4 oh well, you have to have a standardized test that is evenly applied across everyone.
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Buck Sexton
And if people want to understand how this arms race comes about and why there are a whole lot of schools that are, I would consider middle tier private schools right now. Also I'm going to note a lot of people say just go to state school. A lot of state schools are really hard to get into. So put that aside for a second.
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Clay Travis
Crazy hard.
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Buck Sexton
Where you are this idea that state school now is what it, yeah, is what it was in the 80s. It is not okay. These schools are crazy hard to get into.
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Clay Travis
Florida and Florida State are insanely difficult to get in. Both of them are now because the overall quality of school grad in Florida has skyrocketed and they give really great in state scholarships. So you can go to UF and you can go to FSU for a fraction of what some of these high level schools are going to cost.
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Buck Sexton
So but the, the reason also all this stuff has mattered to people in the past so much is that there was a perception that a certain level of elite school, even an undergraduate program was entree into high earning, high status, high influence. So the whole thing here was we don't have enough black students at Harvard, we don't have enough Latino students at Harvard unless we rig the system. And it's not okay for them to go to a school that's actually more fitting of their academic skills and level at that point. Because the point of Harvard and all these other so called elite schools is not to educate people, it is to give them a credential that they can then monetize. That's the point. The problem they've run into is that because they have distributed that monetizable credential in a way that inherently undermines, you know, because the thing was, oh, I got, I went to Harvard oh, well, I get to go to the top law firm or. Oh, I get to go to the top whatever. Top grad school, top program, you name, whatever job you want. Engineering. Now it's okay, well, you went to an Ivy League school. Why'd you get in? That's a fair question to ask every time. And by the way, and I'm going to admit, also legacies athletes, it's not just. It's not just the preferred minority groups. Legacies athletes, too, also factor into this. My point here, Clay, is that this whole system is. We, you and I, really, our generation went through the absolute thick of this madness. And I think maybe the, you know, the people 10, 15 years younger than us, it's changing now. It is really turning back. And these. A lot of these schools that think they're going to be charging, you know, 70, 80, $90,000 a year, I know that they have now scholarships and things for people that have, like, less than 150 grand in household income. I don't know how they're going to sustain themselves.
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Clay Travis
A lot of them are going to shut down. I think you're going to see a lot of mergers. I think we have way too many colleges relative to the value that many of them create. And that's going to be sad because some of you went to schools that you liked. You're already seeing it, particularly where you went to school. Buck, in the Northeast, there are so many small liberal arts schools. I think what you're going to see, and this is my. You know, I think this is a big thesis in general, is success. So the elite of the elite are going to continue to do really, really well. The ones that are very affordable, I think will have a way to succeed. But that middle tier. Yeah, I think a lot of the middle tier schools are going to vanish.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah. No offense to any Bucknell grads out there, but your kids might not. They might want to look at some. At some other options. I don't know why I just took a shot at Bucknell, but I did poor.
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Clay Travis
I was like, out of all the
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Buck Sexton
places, that's the one that came to mind. I was like, man, I'll say this, Clay, as well. If you want to really understand how much of this is branding versus education, Those are two different things, right? Education is what you learn, your skills, improving your or, you know, expanding your mindset, your understanding of the world around you, etcetera, Versus I put this on a resume, I get the following things because of it. Yale University's name for a slave trader. They will Never change the name. You could have kids lying down in the street at Yale, demanding. And by the way, they wouldn't do it either, because they. They actually know this as well. Yale University is named for a slave trader. Not even a guy who just, like, owned a slave or two. A guy who built his fortune trading slaves. They will never change their name to the University of, you know, East New Haven or something.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
Because it's not about the education. It's about the. Oh, you went there. So this whole university industrial complex is going through a reckoning right now because of the federally backed student loans, which meant they could just jack up the prices everywhere because of taking all these international students. So then they could have the international students pay, you know, these exorbitant tuitions so they could lard up the payroll with all of these administrators who don't do anything other than lecture people about D and, you know, pronouns. This is our whole higher education hierarchy, really, in this country is in the. In right now. A dramatic shift. And clay, that is why Harvard University is like, we got to actually give people real grades. Yeah. Because people are realizing that going to Harvard doesn't mean anything anymore. Well, I really mean anything. I mean, to some people it does, but to a lot of people, it's like, okay, well, you know, you're. You're a student who went to Harvard, but, you know, you're from Kenya. Was that a big help in you getting in? Like, as an international student of color? Was that. Was that something that was taken into account or, you know, you're from wherever. The point is, I'm looking at the
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Clay Travis
data more and more. The number. If we believe that the value of super high education is an incredible asset in the United States, a conversation we should be having way more is, why are we admitting so many foreign students at the most elite American schools?
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Buck Sexton
It's a betrayal. It's a betrayal of our military technology and intelligence apparatus. It's a betrayal. None of these schools. But notice how they all say, we're private, but we need those federal dollars. Yeah, we need.
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Clay Travis
If you give up your federal dollars, take in whoever you want, they would say, well, they're paying full freight. That's why we need it. I just, I think we. And I'm doing a deep dive on this in sports because people have shined my light on. I shined a light on it for me. Do you know what percentage of full scholarships now are being given in Olympic sports to kids that are not American, that. That are going to elite schools that
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Buck Sexton
have tennis has a huge. All a lot of these big tennis
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Clay Travis
programs which I know tweeting about this recently.
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Buck Sexton
That bro, really, I didn't even see that. Yeah, they're just bringing in all these, these basically semi pros.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
From Slovenia. That's who's playing for like Texas A and M on the tennis team these days. Like really?
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Clay Travis
Yeah, yeah. John McEnroe tweeted out and I think it is a window into what the schools are doing in general sometimes overall. But he Tweeted, I think 4 of the 24 of the top tennis competitors were actually American born. So we have 20 foreign tennis players that are getting full rides at American institutions. Makes no sense.
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Buck Sexton
It's out. That's outrageous. Why are we. Why are your parents paying taxes in all these states and paying federal taxes so that foreign kids can, you know, I feel very strongly, by the way, totally disagree with Trump on this. We do not need 500,000 Chinese students. Completely disagree with the President. I don't know why he said it, but we can revisit that another time. Business insurance is just the cost of doing business for most companies. But how many different brokers does it take to be insured? Too many, right? Super sure is the first company we know of that makes sense of all the business insurance policies that owners like you must maintain to operate their business wisely. Business owners complain of multiple policies, multiple applications, different brokers, no clear view of how it all fits together. And when questions come up, it's not easy to get the clarity you need. Super sure changes that one broker for all your business insurance, backed by a team who works with you year round, not just at renewal. If you've ever stared at a policy wondering what it covers, super sure has a fine print fax tool that translates the legal jargon into plain English so you know what's covered and what's not. Go online to supersure.com buck get a full report on your current policies with no obligation. Find out if you're over insured, underinsured or somewhere in between. Go to super sure.com buck one powerful platform. All your policies in one place. That's super sure.com buck paid for by Super Sure Insurance Agency, LLC, a licensed insurance agency.
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Clay Travis
Trump talking in the White House. We are running on that and we will have you all of the latest that he has said there couple of different updates that I think are significant. Buck South Carolina redistricting the South Carolina State House has voted yes. A Senate subcommittee has as well. It's now on to the Senate. That would eliminate James Clyburn's seat would make all of South Carolina red as the fallout of the racial gerrymander case continues. Buck it looks like Tennessee has done. Looks like Alabama, South Carolina, Louisiana are all now going to be adding at least one House seat for the Republican Party that is worth following the battle in South Carolina going on right now as the fallout is is continuing from that major Supreme Court decision.
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Buck Sexton
Absolutely.
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Clay Travis
And I think it may actually end up, I think there's an undervaluation right now of Republicans maintaining control in the House. I'd love to start looking at this map. There's not that many seats they would have to win that are so called toss up states. Now.
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Buck Sexton
It's very, it's very important. It would be a huge benefit, not just the Trump administration, I really, truly believe for the country to have a unified GOP control for the last two years of Trump. I think we could see some, you know, very good things happen. And the alternative is you're going to get into a lot of gridlock stuff and it's going to get messy. Go ahead and challenge me to wear clothes from Cozy Earth for a full week. Make it two weeks. Make it a month. Honestly, make it every day because that's what I'm already doing. Cozy Earth's clothing, so soft, so well made, so comfortable. I'm wearing them all the time. Whether you go big with Cozy Earth like I did, I bought five pairs of their pants, their everyday pants. We start with just a few items. Make sure you include their brushed bamboo jogger set. It's so soft and breathable. Still looks polished whether you're at home traveling or running errands. Everything Cozy Earth makes, by the way, is backed by a 30 day return policy. It's hassle free lifetime warranty on the clothing this Memorial Day weekend. Give yourself the kind of comfort you can enjoy all day, not just the moment you get home. Head to cozy earth.com use my name Buck for up to 30% off. This exclusive offer runs through June 1st only, so don't wait. That's code Buck@cozy earth.com for up to 30% off. If you see a post purchase survey, please tell me. Heard about them on Clay and Buck. Cozyearth.com use code Buck for up to 30% off.
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Clay Travis
Hey Buck, one of my kids called me an unk the other day.
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Buck Sexton
An unk?
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Clay Travis
Yup. Slang evidently. For not being hip, being an old dude.
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Buck Sexton
So how do we un unk you?
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Clay Travis
Get more people to subscribe to our YouTube channel. At least that's what my kids tell me.
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Buck Sexton
That's simple enough. Just search the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show and hit the subscribe button.
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Clay Travis
Takes less than five seconds to help un unk me.
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Buck Sexton
Do it for Clay, do it for freedom and get great content While you're there, the Clay Travis and buck Sexton Show YouTube channel. We had Trump just now in the Oval Office, bunch of cuts, talking to him about all the things going on here. So let's dive into it, shall we? First off, we had Trump, he had some, he got a grocery store owner. Clay, what's the, what's the.
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Clay Travis
He's having a. I think they're trying to address some of the affordability related issues. So have a. So they have everybody in there right now. Trump is taking questions on everything. But I actually thought about reducing, reducing cost.
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Buck Sexton
Okay.
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Clay Travis
But I actually thought some of the most interesting things, not surprisingly, are coming out as he's answering questions, including got a lot of feedback on Cuba yesterday. Here he is, cut 23. He's talking about Cuba, he's talking about Iran in the midst of talking about cost of groceries and more. Cut 23.
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Donald Trump
Cuba. Look, it's a failed country. Everybody knows it. They don't have electricity, they don't have money, they don't have really anything. They don't have food. And we're going to help them along and we're going to help them because the people, because number one, I want to help them on a humanitarian basis. But we have the Cuban American population, much of it living in Miami and Florida. That's a great group of people, amazing group of people, industrious, just, they're great Americans. They've wanted this to happen. They want to go back to their country, they want to help their country. I hope they're going to stay here, but they want to go back. They want to invest in their country and, you know, see if they can bring it back. Other presidents have looked at this for 50, 60 years doing something and it looks like I'll be the one that does it. So we'd be happy to do it. We want to open it up to Cuban Americans where they can go back and help.
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Clay Travis
So that is one part of this. Buck, what do you think is going to happen in Cuba? Like if you had to forecast, I don't want to put you on blast because you're surrounded by so many Cubans and they're immediately going to say, call you out if you're wrong. What's the timeframe here? I bet you studied Cuba, even some back in the day at CIA because they've been studying this thing for 60 some odd years. What do you think happens? How does this play out? What's the timeframe under which it does?
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Buck Sexton
I think they're going to see the handwriting on the wall and they're going to start to play ball because they recognize that if they thought that it was daring to pull off the Maduro capture operation, a lot easier to pull off something in Cuba. Cuba is right. Cuba is a quick flight, my friend. It is not hard to. And we got, we got Florida right here. We have southcom SOCOM down here. So there's definitely plenty of ability, I think, to leverage the new sheriff and new sheriff is in town attitude that Trump brings to all this. And I think that, I think that really, that's where. That's where he's going with it. I mean, Clay, you can be Del C. Basically, it's. You can be Del C. Rodriguez.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
Who, you know, has a shot to, like, really, let's be honest, has a shot to forget about whatever she did in the past, make Venezuela great again, dare I say. Because it is actually a great country
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Clay Travis
with great people and great, great resources.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Clay Travis
I mean, they have so much value in that country, it's crazy.
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Buck Sexton
You know, Venezuela isn't Yemen. Like, it hasn't been just kind of a desolate hellhole for all of its existence. Like, Venezuela is a beautiful country, beautiful people. I know so many Venezuelans here in South Florida who, you know, remember, they remember when their country was prosperous. That's the other thing too. Right. It's not, oh, 200 years ago. We were a great nation or something. Venezuela was doing great in the 90s. This wasn't that long ago. Socialism ruins everything. Communism ruins everything. And that's what unfortunately happened there. So I think that we're looking right now, look, we have the CIA telling us that they're meeting with Cuban leadership and the whole Raul Castro thing, just to be clear to Everybody, that guy's 94 years old. I mean, he's, you know, he's behind the scenes still a power player, but we don't think he's going to be around that much longer. We're using the indictment of Raul Castro as a message to all of his lieutenants around him, like, this is going to come to an end, guys. And which side of this do you want to be on? Because I don't think the Cubans are so delusional that they think if US Military action comes for them this time, they're going to be able to do very much about it. Because again, we're not saying we're going to land, you know, a Marine Expeditionary Unit and try to build, build their country for them. We're just going to go take out their leadership kind of Israel post October 7th style. Like we're just going to track these guys down.
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Clay Travis
So a part of me thinks that we should just put Marco Rubio in charge of Cuba, too. I mean, I know Marco Rubio's got 18 different. Yeah, but my concern is Venezuela had at least a history of democrat, democratic elections. So there is in some form an opposition group to Maduro that existed and hadn't been stamped out for generations. Is there an opposition group in Cuba capable of running Cuba in any way? Or has the communist rulers of Cuba. Have the communist rulers of Cuba been so despotic that they have wiped out everything? So, in other words, there is a fundamental ability to have competing parties and existing election infrastructure in Venezuela in the memory of most of the people who live in Venezuela. That's why so many of them were disgusted and fled because they had seen Venezuela when it was better. I do wonder whether that person or that group exists in Cuba in a similar way to Venezuela and this. Honestly, I think, Buck, I don't know if you saw this story that Israel thought. And I can't pronounce his name, Mahmoud Bajamadad or whatever he pronounces.
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Buck Sexton
Ahmadinejad.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, good luck for me for that. Ahmedjad, that they thought he was going to be the Delsey Rodriguez of Iran. Did you read this story? It's actually kind of fascinating. They, according to the New York Times, Israel wiped out. He was being held under house arrest in the first strikes that they put in place. Wiped out all of the IRGC that was holding him hostage and that he had been meeting secretly behind the scenes. And they thought maybe he's the guy who's going to be able to rise to power and work with us. And obviously that has not happened. But I think that kind of ties in with the idea that Israel put out, that Israel put out there to Trump, which is there is a group inside of Iran that could rise up and, and take back. And that obviously hasn't happened.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, they were wrong, unfortunately. That was a big. That was a big swing and a miss. So we'll see what else we have going. You know, the Wall Street Journal, I might add, now is all who was very pro. Wall Street Journals pretty much always go bomb the bad guys in the Middle east and Israel is our best ally and we need to do the following. And the Wall Street Journal on the Iran thing is this is not a good situation. You see that today they're like, this is not good because that's exactly what
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Clay Travis
I told you guys.
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Buck Sexton
The Iranians are playing. They're playing the rope, a dope game. And Trump keeps saying, every few days, we're going to go in, we're going to bomb the crap out of them. And then he doesn't. And then it's just back to what we were in. This is where I knew this was going to happen. I told you guys it was going to happen. This is where we are. So.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, well, I think. I think the Wall Street Journal perspective. The Wall Street Journal is my favorite media outlet that, you know, that I'm not affiliated with, and their perspective has been finish the job. And I think right now there's a concern that Trump is kind of in that swamp terrain where you don't want to commit more resources. Anybody who's ever tried to rehab a house, we're in the. We're in the part now where the house is in worse shape than it might have been before you started the rehab. But you're looking around and thinking, boy, this is going to be a lot more work to fix this than I anticipated. And so I think the question is to what extent and how can you get out of the situation that you're in right now while claiming victory? And this is why I think it's ultimately going to come down to the nuclear dust. The stories out there are that Iran may have said, we'll let other countries take possession of the nuclear dust. Maybe they have not. I still think I said this months ago that Trump is going to have to send people in and seize it. And so this is what the Wall
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Buck Sexton
Street Journal, actually, this is their editorial board. So this is kind of not one person, it's the whole editorial board. The piece is Trump reaches an Iran crossroads. And just one. One piece, one part of this that I think really summarizes where they remember they're very. This is the right move. Love what Trump is doing. Trump is great on this. All this stuff. Now they're saying, if a good deal is impossible, Mr. Trump will have little choice other than to resume using military force. But to what end? Question mark? Resuming the war needs to be tied to a strategic goal that can be achieved without the Iranian regime's agreement. This is what I keep telling you. Iran will not concede. Iran will not concede. It's not.
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Clay Travis
That's why I think we're just going to have to take it. What's a come and take it? The. The Gadsden flag, right? Yeah. We're going to have to go and take it, I think, from Iran. Because, you see, Putin is saying, I'll keep the. I'll keep the nuclear. Yeah, that's a great SOL solution. Let's just give it to Russia. I'll solve everything. Just give me all that.
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Buck Sexton
Vlad's a good guy. He's got strong pecs and he wrestles bears.
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Clay Travis
I think we're going to have to go in and just take it. And I understand some people are going to lose their minds over that. But to me, this is the grand cinematic way that this comes to a conclusion.
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Buck Sexton
Here's Kim Strassel, who's my personal favorite columnist at the Wall Street Journal. This is cut 12. This is what she says about the Iran situation. Let's hear it.
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Kim Strassel
One thing that I think you have to give the president credit for is that he hasn't actually settled for a bad deal. Okay. Because that probably has been tempting and maybe other presidents would have done that, be able to sign some piece of paper and say victory, when in fact you really didn't gain anything from this operation. But, you know, hopefully the president understands that this is the Iranian game. This is what they do. They draw it out. They just because they know right now that a lot of time is on their side. They are putting enormous economic pressure on the United States and politically on the Republican Party, and they think that that all plays to their benefit.
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Buck Sexton
Yep. That is all true. That is where we are right now. Trump spoke. Did he speak? Just now in the Oval and I'm trying to pull up the latest here.
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Clay Travis
We've got the latest on Iran. We'll play it when we come back. He answered questions about it, by the way. Now, also, a Minneapolis live press conference about the free fraud in Minnesota that is going on as they are announcing arrests surrounding the Somali fraud ring. I haven't heard much from our boy Tim Walls in a while, have we? He's gone awfully quiet after his comparing the situation with ICE to the Civil War in the day two and three at Gettysburg and all of his strained analogies there. We'll monitor this as well as more news continues. By the way, one bit of news I was going to mention earlier, Buck Mike Duggan, who was the mayor of Detroit and had been running an independent campaign for governor, dropped out. So he is out of that race. Now Republican primary is coming up and, and we will see. That's a significant battleground state open, no incumbent there for both the Senate and the governor's race. In Michigan, severe weather can be the great equalizer when it comes to roofing. A night of intense winds, hailstorm, you name it. One of those can cause problems to an aging roof. And right now we've got a lot of wild weather going on across the entire country. And you can get in touch with Erie Home, a company operating for 50 years with national reliability, Hometown connections, Trustworthy, the absolute best at what they do. And here, here's the deal. No cost free roof inspection. What do you have to lose? Let them come by. They have 130 offices and shops nationwide, almost every state. They are reliable. If you're worried about what's going to happen when you start roof repair, they will let you know if you need anything or not. All for free. And if you do get a new roof 50 year limited lifetime warranty that transfers to the next homeowner as well, you can schedule your free inspection@eriehome.com Clay get up to $1200 off when you go to Erie home.com Clay that's E R I E home.com Clay do it today.
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Clay Travis
you probably soon to be on the roads for Memorial Day weekend. Stay safe out there. And certainly Buck is ducking out for Friday. I'll be in with you Friday and then we'll both be back Tuesday. So we'll see if any major news happens. But here is we were just talking about this and we teased it Trump saying what we talked about a little bit ago, Iran can't keep the uranium. Once we get it, we will destroy it.
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Donald Trump
Listen, uranium, we get the highly enriched, we will get it. We don't need it, we don't want it. We'll probably destroy it after we get it, but we're not going to let them have it.
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Clay Travis
So Buck, this comes back to we've been talking about this for some time and I think it's very reasonable on your perspective. And it's also reasonable actually as these things go for Iran. There is no basis whatsoever for Iran to voluntarily give this up. The only way I think we get it is if we go and take it. I mean, am I crazy on this? If our goal is to have the nuclear dust and I think, tell me if you think I'm crazy on this take too. I Think Trump wants to have it because it is a direct repudiation of the Iraq war when we didn't find the weapons of mass destruction. He wants to be able to say, here it is. We found that Iran was trying to create nukes, we've destroyed it, this is a successful operation and now we're out. I think that's got to be the way he's thinking.
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Buck Sexton
He definitely, I don't think there's much doubt that anyone has that Iran has nuclear stuff going on. So it's a little different in that respect. But I would say, Clay, that he does want to, to have a clear separation from what the Obama Iran policy and takeaway was versus, you know, if he comes out of there with the last remnants of their actual physical nuclear program. This is not an Obama deal. The Obama deal was, let's just sort of keep negotiating and talk about this forever while the Iranians cheat and don't, don't get held accountable. Like that's the Obama deal. Right. So, you know, it's, it's, I think a separation from that that is very important for Trump. But to your, what you're saying, I've kind of been saying this all along. Iran is not going to make this deal. OK, I could sit down with J.D. vance, I could sit down with Jared Kushner or whatever. I would tell them the same thing. Iran is not going to make this deal. It will not hold. It will not happen. It is not reality. That's why they didn't fly to Pakistan, whatever it was a week ago. This is because, Clay, that's unconditionally in the context of this struggle, that is unconditional surrender from the Iranians. That is how that regime views it. They will not do it. They are Japan before getting nuked. They won't give up.
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Clay Travis
So that leaves me with the only way to get it is to take it. And then other people are going to say, well, you can't put boots on the ground. All those things.
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Buck Sexton
I.
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Clay Travis
If the goal is to get the nuclear dust, the other option is you just say, well, they can't actually get to it. We bombed it so significantly it might take weeks of being on the ground. Basically with all the. Again, this feels like a movie. It is why I think Trump is going to be attracted to it. If you were making a movie like this, the nerdy scientist guys would be cross pollinated with all the badass door kicker guys and the nerdy scientist guys would be saying, we have to go get the canisters. We have to, we have to pull them out of Iran. Do you know how dangerous this is? All of these different things? I think that's going to have appeal to Trump. I agree with you. I don't think Iran is just going to say, hey, here's exactly what you want, we're going to hand it over to you. I think we have to go take it if that's the goal. And then that obviously comes with increased risk and boots on the ground aspects. And if we're going to do that, Buck, by the way, we got to do it now because the longer you wait, the closer it gets to the election. We want this thing resolved by the time we get through summer at the absolute worst. And anyway, that to me is the inevitable result of where this all heads.
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Buck Sexton
And there's a reason that Trump is having a affordability conference today because he recognizes that for the gop. There are a lot of you, I'm sure, who want to hear about Iran and think this is going great and think Trump knows exactly what he's doing and that's fine. There are also a lot of you who want to hear about how things are going to be made better for you to pay your bills, pay your mortgage, save some cash, deal with the credit card bills, etc. GOP, Trump, they got to focus in on that right away.
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