Hour 1 - Judges Have to Obey, Too

Summary

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Discuss Judicial Accountability and Immigration Enforcement

April 25, 2025 | Release Date: April 25, 2025

In the latest episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into pressing national issues, focusing primarily on judicial accountability in immigration enforcement and the broader implications for sanctuary cities across the United States.

Arrest of Judge Hannah Dugan: A Landmark Case

The episode kicks off with a significant development in immigration enforcement: the arrest of Milwaukee County Judge Hannah Dugan by federal law enforcement agents. Clay Travis provides a comprehensive overview of the situation, highlighting the severity of a state official obstructing federal immigration operations.

Clay Travis [02:50]: "This judge is not above the law. The judge should be held to the law... This is not just a warning shot for the entire sanctuary jurisdiction."

Buck Sexton echoes Travis's sentiments, emphasizing the importance of holding judicial figures accountable to federal statutes.

Buck Sexton [07:00]: "This judge is going to turn into a left-wing hero... They're going to say, well, we wish we had judges who would have stood up to Adolf Hitler during Nazi era Germany."

The discussion underscores the administration's renewed commitment to ensuring that judges and local officials comply with federal immigration laws, signaling a potential end to the sanctuary city policies that have been prevalent in many large U.S. cities.

Implications for Sanctuary Cities and Federal-State Relations

Travis and Sexton explore the broader consequences of Judge Dugan's arrest, suggesting it may herald a new era in immigration enforcement where local jurisdictions cannot resist federal mandates without facing legal repercussions.

Clay Travis [09:20]: "Once you start to get deeper, the Democrats have gotten used to we just ignore the statutes on immigration in all respects that we don't like."

They discuss the potential ripple effects, questioning how other sanctuary cities might respond and whether this move will deter local officials from similar obstructions in the future.

Biden Administration's Immigration Policies and Potential Amnesty

The hosts shift focus to the Biden administration's immigration strategies, particularly the challenges in deporting illegal immigrants and the looming threat of amnesty.

Buck Sexton [07:30]: "Democrats think they've added a lot of voters. That's the only thing that makes sense here. And in order to keep that from becoming a reality, you have to deport people."

Travis agrees, emphasizing that the current administration's policies may lead to a significant increase in undocumented immigrants if deportations are not enforced rigorously.

Clay Travis [11:59]: "The judiciary is not above the law... It's a big change."

COVID-19 Policies and Reinstatement of Military Personnel

Transitioning from immigration, Travis and Sexton discuss the fallout from COVID-19 policies, particularly regarding military personnel who were discharged for refusing vaccination mandates. They spotlight Pete Hegseth's efforts to reverse these adverse actions, aiming to reinstate service members who faced career setbacks due to non-compliance with vaccine requirements.

Buck Sexton [32:50]: "Most people arrested federally have violated the law... It sends a very powerful message to anybody else who thinks that they're going to obstruct Immigration and Customs Enforcement effort."

Travis criticizes the Biden administration's handling of COVID-19 mandates, arguing that the decisions made have undermined constitutional principles and led to unnecessary hardships for individuals in public service.

Clay Travis [35:17]: "The separation, remember the vaccine mandate thing is 100% Biden. Trump had nothing to do with that. That happened after he was no longer in office."

Political Campaigns: Andrew Cuomo's Potential Run and Historical Reflections

In a lighter yet politically charged segment, the hosts speculate on former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo's potential political comeback. They critique Cuomo's administration, particularly his management during the COVID-19 pandemic, and express skepticism about his electability.

Clay Travis [37:12]: "Cuomo was a terrible governor. Terrible."

Sexton adds context by referencing Cuomo's personal controversies and the challenges he faces in restoring his public image.

Buck Sexton [39:43]: "She's endorsing Cuomo, who was actually forced out for legitimately touching a woman. Again, I think it's a joke that he got forced out..."

Concluding Thoughts: Upholding the Constitution and Judicial Integrity

The episode wraps up with a reaffirmation of the importance of maintaining constitutional integrity and ensuring that no individual, regardless of their position, is above the law. Travis and Sexton advocate for continued vigilance in enforcing federal laws and support for initiatives that rectify past administrative overreaches.

Clay Travis [36:57]: "We have a real debt to those service members, to those law enforcement officers, those first responders, nurses, doctors, anybody who got fired from their job because they wouldn't get the COVID shot."

Key Takeaways

• The arrest of Judge Hannah Dugan marks a pivotal moment in federal immigration enforcement, challenging the long-standing sanctuary city policies.
• The Biden administration faces significant hurdles in deporting illegal immigrants, with potential political motivations driving current policies.
• Efforts to reinstate military personnel discharged over COVID-19 vaccine refusals highlight ongoing debates over public health mandates and individual rights.
• Political figures like Andrew Cuomo may find their road to redemption fraught with challenges due to past administrative and personal controversies.

This episode underscores a critical intersection of law enforcement, judicial accountability, and federal-state relations, portraying a landscape in flux as the administration seeks to realign immigration policies and address the lingering impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome, everybody. Friday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show gets going right now, Much to to discuss with all of you, and I'm excited to do it. So we've got the latest on the tariff negotiation, a lot of negotiation talk coming our way. Latest on the tariffs with Trump, China, also negotiations with Russia. Right now you have Putin getting very aggressive and really setting Trump off a bit here. I am curious to see where this goes. I'm curious to see what happens next, because if Putin thinks that he's going to be able to smack down Trump on the world stage without consequence, I think he's got another thing coming. I think that he is underestimating what Donald Trump may be willing to do in order to get the leverage that he needs to bring this conflict to an end. Look, it's not going to be easy, but it is necessary, right? We want that conflict to end as soon as possible. But I want to dive right into this, Clay. I actually think this is a, a fascinating, important story that could be the beginning of a whole new era of immigration enforcement in this country. Let's, let's talk about what's going on here. First, a judge in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, a county judge, has been arrested by federal law enforcement agents. I believe the US Marshals have arrested Judge Hannah Dugan earlier this morning, and this was done because she is allegedly obstructing federal immigration enforcement, notably in this case, she looks to have taken it upon herself to. Mr. To essentially lie to federal agents about a subject who was to be arrested in her courthouse so that that wanted illegal alien could escape. So running interference with law enforcement as a county judge, as an official of the state of Wisconsin, she thought, you know what I'll do? I'll misdirect law enforcement so that this guy can get away. Now, this is really interesting because it is, in fact, illegal to obstruct federal law enforcement. And if you remember when it came to January 6th, if you obstructed an official proceeding, at least if it was January 6, we were told over and over by the media that you should spend years and years of your life in prison. But in this instance, it's the first time that I've ever seen Clay, a, an official of the state or a judge who has been put on notice, real notice, that it is not up to her to try to undermine federal laws and she's not going to get away with it. This is not just. This is a warning shot for the entire sanctuary jurisdiction. Khan. It is wrong what these places, what these law enforcement officers at the local and state level are. I understand they're directed to do it by their superiors. So they are not given the discretion to assist. If it's the NYPD, if it's the LAPD, etc. They're not allowed to help under their own policies. Federal law enforcement, when it comes to immigration and deportation, that is one thing, but to get in the way, Clay, it is illegal. This judge deserved to be arrested. Cash Patel, the FBI. This new Trump administration is actually looking at the laws and saying judges have to obey them, too. Sorry if you watch too much, too much msnbc, but that's not a get out of jail free card on immigration enforcement. I think this is a great move.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I think it's a big move. And I actually am coming right from the White House, Buck, where I just talked with Tom Homan, and we're gonna play some of that, I think, in the third hour, focusing on exactly what they're going to do to ratchet up this pressure on individuals involved in trying to cover in violation of federal law for illegal immigrants. And this is something that I think we've hit on and I think it's important for people to. And Tom Homan laid it out, and he's laid it out before, and we've made this clear. They believe that because Joe Biden let 10 million illegals into this country over the last four years. Tom Homan just told me, Buck, that he thinks there's over 20 million illegals, is the number that he would put it at roughly in the country right now. And they have made it so difficult to deport illegals from this country that he thinks, and I think the only explanation for this is somewhere down the line they're going to get amnesty. And Democrats think they've added a lot of voters. That's the only thing that makes sense here. And in order to keep that from becoming a reality, you have to deport people. It's one thing to stop. That's the first, you know, if. What's the first rule of being a physician? Do no harm. Right. We've at least stopped the harm on the illegal border crossings because effectively the border is completely shut down. But now they have decided to make the battleground whether or not you can deport these individuals. And you know how they've done it, Buck. They have basically enlisted 600 some odd federal district court judges who believe that their judicial ruling should overrule the choice of the executive of the United States, that is the president. And so right now, they are of the opinion that they just have to outlast Donald Trump and maybe AOC comes in or whoever the Democrats are able to get elected, border gets wide opened again, and we pour tens of millions of more people right back into the country. That's the big battle that we're fighting. And getting people out is where they've decided that they're going to lay down athwart the Trump train and try to keep it from continuing to move.

[Clay Travis]

I think that this is also, Clay, when you see, once again, the people who claim to be. So they're legal formalists when it comes to every layer of process upon process.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

To, let's be clear, to stop deportations. I'm not even just talking about in general stop deportations of criminal illegal aliens. We have to come up with a better term for this. Right. Because an illegal alien has committed a crime. But, I mean, look, we are rational and honest people. We understand there's a difference between somebody who is in their 50s and has been here for 20 years illegally and has been, you know, working in the service industry, or, you know, there's a difference in the urgency to get them out or the urgency of handling their case than there is for somebody who's an MS.13 gang member, who is a threat to kill people, to rob people, has done that as a wife beater, is violent. Right. They want to stop the latter from being deported. We're not even talking about that initial category right now. But, Clay, they're legal formalists. The law is the law. Oh, we need to bring an MS.13 gang member, which is now a designated terrorist organization. So the gang terrorism thing is, and their narco terrorism has been a real thing for a long. Pablo Escobar was a narco guy and a terrorist. Right. I mean, so these things are not mutually exclusive at all. But they want to bring him back into the United States so that we can go through another layer of kicking him out of the United States and hope that they can subvert that layer and keep him in the country. That's what's really going on. But then they look at a statute that lays out, you cannot obstruct, you cannot aid and abet. Right. If Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Clay was looking for somebody and they. And, you know, an illegal came running up to my door and knocked on my door and said, hey, can you hide me? ICE is looking for me. And I said, yeah, sure, go to the back room. And then ICE knocks on my door and I say, I don't know what you're talking about. There's nobody on these premises who's that illegal. I'm obstructing. That's a violation of the same way that if somebody stole a car and I went up to the cops and I said, oh, the guy went that way when he really went the other way, or I was hiding them in my home. Aiding and abetting. You cannot do that. This judge did that. And the judge is not above the law. The judge should be held to the law. Once you start to get deeper, the Democrats have gotten used to, we just ignore the statutes on immigration in all respects that we don't like. That's not the game the Trump administration is going to allow them to play anymore. It's a big change.

[Buck Sexton]

It's a huge change. And I think it's not only. This is one where I'm going to say the message that you send is incredibly important, not only for the judge who's violating the law, but also for everyone else out there to understand that there are now consequences for doing this. This is one where you are sending not only a message to this individual judge who likely has violated the law based on the FBI arrest. Most people arrested federally have violated the law. Federal prosecutions have pretty good success rates. But it's other judges looking around and saying, oh, they're actually going to enforce it now. You know what's going to happen, don't you, Buck? This judge is going to turn into a left wing hero. This judge is going to be now the new face of judicial restraint. I'm telling you how this is going to play out. They're going to say, well, we wish we had had judges who would have stood up to Adolf Hitler during Nazi era Germany. This judge is going to become the new left wing hero, irrespective of whether she has behaved illegally. Look at who they decided to make their face at. El Salvador and wife beating, human trafficking, illegal immigrant who's a member of a gang. You don't think they're going to use this judge in the Milwaukee area in a battleground state as the new flashpoint cultural pivot for defending democracy in America?

[Clay Travis]

They may, but I don't think that this serves the Democrat parties.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not arguing, I'm not arguing it's a good decision. I'm just saying this is what I.

[Clay Travis]

Think they're going to do, but I think that's important. I think you're right that there will be people certainly on the left. I don't know if the mainstream Democrat Party is going to rally behind this judge. It really depends. As we find more. It depends, I think, on finding out more about who was she harboring, allegedly, what was this individual story? You know, if this is a person, you know, who's got a bunch of DUIs and like, you know, an assault arrest on his record or something, I think that becomes a lot harder for them, and that then may change a little bit of how they position this. But a judge getting arrested by U.S. marshals for obstructing federal law enforcement is. Is a big deal, and we actually need more than. The judiciary is not above the law. That's the real message from this and from a lot of what we see going on right now, we've seemed to be led to believe, first of all, that the judiciary is nonpartisan, which unfortunately is a lie, just like journalism is nonpartisan. It's just. It's always been a lie. The judiciary is not nonpartisan, and I wish that they were different, but I know it's not different. And then beyond that, the judiciary has to be held to the same laws that all the rest of us are, irrespective of how importantly how powerful their political beliefs may be on. On some issue. So this is. This is going to be very interesting because, Clay, I don't think this is the only one. Every major city in America, pretty much. When I say major, I think if you're talking about over a half a million people, let's say. So every. When I say major, I mean large. Every large city in America is a sanctuary jurisdiction, as far as I know. I think every single one. Well, what's going on with that? Where else are they doing this, right? Where else are these kinds of actions being taken that are violations of law, and what's that going to mean? So we'll. We'll take some. We'll take some calls on this. We'll dive into this some more. Also, our friend Pete Hegseth at the Pentagon is taking some very important steps, specifically with regard to COVID 19. COVID 19, related service disruption, reinstatement. I can't think of a quicker way to say that than if you lost your job because of COVID in the military. You're getting your job back. And they're working on getting that done. So we'll talk about that. I think that's really important. You know, I've got my family in town, so my mom, my dad, my sister, they've all met the baby. It's very exciting. So the New York contingent is here and it's really fun to have three generations of Sextons all together. And there's a lot of memories that I have recorded from childhood that when James gets a little bit older, I'll be able to show him, thanks to Legacy Box, those old VHS tapes my dad took when I was a baby. We've transferred that on to digitized media thanks to Legacy Box. Legacy Box is so fun once you do this, the process of pulling all the stuff together, you fill up the box with it, you send it in. It's so easy. And then you get to enjoy this stuff whenever you have family meetings, family reunions, and then right now, running a $9 per tape sale. Legacy box $9 a tape. And digitizing those tapes means you move that content to the cloud. You can see them then on your phone, your smart TV or laptop, your iPad. Easy to watch and share. Legacy Box makes digitizing your memories easy. You pack up your old tapes, film and photos, and Legacy Box will take care of the rest. Digitize every last tape for just $9 a tape, 65% off regular prices plus 90 days of free Legacy Box cloud access. Don't wait until it's too late. Visit legacybox.com buck to shop their $9 per tape sale. That's legacybox.com Buck Making America Great again.

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Welcome back in. I think Buck got nervous yesterday after I went after Michelle Obama. Amazingly, everybody's like, finally somebody's saying it. And I wanted them to pull.

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Have you seen anything really quickly? Yeah, can I just jump in really quickly? I was like, I was like, whoa, Clay is. Clay woke up today and chose. Chose to fight.

[Buck Sexton]

Chose violence.

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I was going to tell you, I don't even want. I don't even want to. I don't want to name any names. Every person who reached out to me after you chose, so to speak, violence yesterday was like, I love it. So I was like, oh, okay, Clay. Clay is. He's, he's on the side of the angels, apparently. Look at that.

[Buck Sexton]

So Michelle Obama, I wanted to say this. She complained that in addition, I mean, this whole podcast that she's doing, Buck, I think is going to destroy her favorability because people actually find out what she's like and she's kind of floated on. The first lady typically doesn't get criticized.

[Clay Travis]

Front her whole thing, the whole brand is a creation of the machine. At a time when the Democrat machine was at its absolute peak of powers in terms of media, I Mean, when they had all the social media, when CNN still mattered. Like, you go back to the Obama years. Different universe now, my friend. As you. As you and I know.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, totally. And I think we have time. Let's play cut 23. She. All she's done on her podcast so far is whine about how unfairly treated she is. And now she's saying it's not just her, it's all black women. Cut 23.

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Her entire podcast is just her being angry at the world, despite being 100 millionaire and whining. And she's just confirming it with every word.

[Clay Travis]

This is what her Princeton thesis was when she was an undergrad. So nothing has changed in 40 years. Her Princeton thesis is. Princeton is discriminates against me so much. Meanwhile, she got into Princeton under the peak of the affirmative action regime. So she probably had, you know, an average SAT score compared to the average rather substantially below, because she was in a favored group, which we know the Supreme Court has now said is actually unconstitutional. Clay? Yeah, I. I think the. I think the era of people saying Michelle Obama is going to run and she's going to win. No, she's not. And no, she's not. So there's.

[Buck Sexton]

I. I was wrong about. I didn't think that she would be this unlikable on her podcast.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Well, like, no challenges by and large.

[Clay Travis]

He's. He just chills all day. He sleeps through the night. It's amazing.

[Buck Sexton]

He already sleeps through the night.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. I mean, Carrie wakes him up to feed him and that's it, but that's. He has to be woken up to feed once and then he goes right back to sleep and he sleeps through the night and it's like, I don't even know. I. I tell this to people and they're like, what?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. I've never heard of that happening. For what. He's.

[Clay Travis]

My mom had four kids, right?

[Buck Sexton]

You're.

[Clay Travis]

You're. You've got, you know. Your mom had two. Is that right?

[Buck Sexton]

Two. And then we had three.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, you had three. My mom's like, I've never seen this before. So granny is coming in here and saying, I've never seen anything like it. So it's been pretty nice that.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, usually the. By far the toughest thing about having a newborn is the lack of sleep. So if you're handling the sleep already, a couple of weeks in, like, that is unprecedented.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. I don't know, whatever keeps saying, are you okay? And everything. I'm like, am I okay? It is a fiddle. It's great. Baby's adorable. Carrie's doing great. You know, Anyway, I'm just maybe I shouldn't tell people this because people kind of look at me like, what do you. What do you mean? Like, it's like I'm skipping the hazing, but still joining the fraternity a little bit, you know, like, you're not dressing in a. In a chicken suit and like, you know, running over to sorority row or something. I mean, I'm like, no, I just. No hazing. Just going right to the, the fun part.

[Buck Sexton]

So, yeah, that's pretty amazing. Hopefully it keeps up. But if it does, then that's the part that usually for the first six months or so is, Is brutal because once you get to about six months, the baby can start to have a little bit of personality. I mean, real personality, where you can start to kind of interact with the kid in a way. Three months, you start to get those smiles, stuff like that, which is good. But. But yeah, like, prior to that, there are a lot. But. So if that's true, then that is. That's phenomenal.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. If I show up super haggard on the radio in a couple of weeks, we're all going to know it's because I jinxed this. And now the baby is, you know, not sleeping and we're having trouble. But for all of you who have been asking and all of you been so supportive, you, parents out there have all welcomed me into your fraternity. It's a co ed fraternity. We actually had those at my school. A co ed fraternity. I was like, isn't that not really a fraternity then? But neither here nor there. But yes, thank you so much for all your. All your well wishes. All right, let's talk about Pete, Secretary of defense Hegseth. He is doing some important stuff over at the Pentagon. I, I still there. There are things that I will never let go, Clay, and I don't think you will either. About what happened during COVID that anybody involved in who has any bit of integrity, honor, decency, should admit that they were completely wrong, admit that what they did was, was awful, and try to make amends. Now, there are a number of those things, right? I mean, for Foushee, for example. Well, I could do a three hour show on. We could just sit here and talk about all the awfulness of Fauci. But one of them was the rejection of natural immunity. One of the longest standing principles in immunology that exists. Remember, they just pretended like, oh, you had Covid. You still have to do all the crazy stuff. What do you mean? I have a positive COVID test. It's been two weeks. Like, shouldn't I just Go about my life. The answer should have been yes. So effectively, we all should have been done with COVID once, You know, I got it, you know, in the first wave. Did you get a. Did you get hit with the first wave? When did you get it?

[Buck Sexton]

I got it early, but I didn't have any real issues. Well, first wave, I guess, would have. I had it in, like, November of. Of.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, original Covid, you know, not Covid zero. I mean, original Covid with the. With the sugar, not the corn syrup.

[Buck Sexton]

I had the. I had the OG Covid on in November of 20.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. So, yeah, I got. I got that same. I got in the fall of 20. I also got. Anyway, my point is that there are things that are just unforgivable, and people should at least try to get forgiveness for it nonetheless. And one of them is anybody who was a law enforcement, military first responder, anyone who got fired because they didn't want to get the vaccine. Now, we know there's no doubt whatsoever the vaccine offered zero protection to other people. So the notion that you should have been forced to get a vaccine because of what other people want for you, because you are a risk to them, was completely as a total fallacy. And there's no argument about this, that people were fired from the military. Thousands and thousands of people fired from military fire. And please, I know you're going to call me from a different job or a different sector. Anybody who lost their job over this in the government, and it's within the power of the Trump administration to fix this, it needs to be fixed. Private sector is a little tougher, but still should be fixed. Here is Pete Hegseth giving an Update. This is cut 1 on the reinstatements for service members who were separated from or taken adverse action against because of COVID Today I'm signing a memorandum that.

[Buck Sexton]

Directs the Undersecretary of Defense for Personnel.

[Clay Travis]

And Readiness to provide additional guidance to.

[Buck Sexton]

The boards that are reviewing these cases concerning the review of requests from service.

[Clay Travis]

Members and former service members adversely impacted.

[Buck Sexton]

By COVID 19 vaccine mandate. The guidance also will facilitate the removal.

[Clay Travis]

Of adverse actions on service members solely.

[Buck Sexton]

For refusing to take the COVID 19 vaccine, including discharge upgrades and less than fully honorable discharges for individuals separated for refusing to take the COVID 19 vaccine. So we're trying to scrub all that. Clean all that up. We'll also facilitate appropriate remedies for service.

[Clay Travis]

Members who have suffered additional career setbacks.

[Buck Sexton]

Resulting from the previous administration's unlawful vaccine mandate.

[Clay Travis]

I love it, Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, and it's one that Trump promised. And I get it. There are people out there listening, and they're saying, oh, Trump was not perfect on Covid. And you're correct, but he was way better than Joe Biden was. And if he had won reelection in 2020 and been able to stay in office, you would have never had a Covid shot mandate. You wouldn't have had it go to the Supreme Court.

[Clay Travis]

In May of 2020, I go to the White House at Trump's invitation and sit down with him to actually talk about being CIA director, which now I can speak to you all about very openly, because some of our peers ended up taking cabinet positions, some of our friends. But I talked to Trump about being CIA director for the 2021 term. This was a real conversation that I've mentioned before on the show. This was a real conversation that we had in the Oval. And he's then brought it up several times in front of Clay, which was pretty funny because I was.

[Buck Sexton]

I think he said it on the air.

[Clay Travis]

I think he did say it on the air. Yeah. But I remember being there in May of 2020 in the White House. I keep saying the date. Just, you remember, this is very early in our whole Covid saga. Nobody in the White House is wearing masks. Trump shook my hand. No masks. It was all, you know, this whole. They, like they were trying to live in reality but not, you know, freak everybody out. So I'm just saying there was a clear understanding that there was a paranoia and a freakout going on. And Trump was very clear with me. He's like, look, I don't want to overrule all the states on this, because, remember, what if he had overruled? What if Trump had overruled the states federally? And actually there had been some of these interventions, some of these things had gone wrong. And then what if all of a sudden, Texas had. And legitimately they lied about the data a million different ways, but I mean, legitimately had two or three times the COVID deaths than a state like California. It would have been a political disaster. And the whole thing. So I understand why in May of 2020, he was willing to allow states to do the federalist thing and take their own, make their own choices. The, the separation, remember the vaccine mandate thing is 100% Biden. Trump had nothing to do with that. That happened after he was no longer in office. And it is completely inexcusable. And we have a real debt to those service members, to those law enforcement officers, those first responders, nurses, doctors, anybody who got fired from their job because they wouldn't get the COVID shot. We have to make that up to them. And Pete's taking Secretary of Defense Hegseth is taking important steps to that end.

[Buck Sexton]

I think it's the least we could do. And I would submit, remember, but for Trump's Supreme Court appointments, was it 6:3, that the government couldn't mandate the COVID shot, basically for everybody in the whole country? I think it finished 6:3. And if you remember, the questioning from Sotomayor and Ketanji Brown, Jackson in particular, was moronic. They had not done the basic research. Wasn't it Sotomayor who said there were hundreds of thousands of kids hospitalized with COVID She, I mean, just legitimately had no idea as a part of her questioning, you could tell that she had not done the most basic research on this issue. And but for Trump getting three Supreme Court opinions appointments, this opinion would have gone out and everybody in America basically would have been forced to get the COVID shot as a condition of employment. And I mean, the fact that Biden got shot down, a lot of people now forget it. But it was, and I give credit to the judges that were in the majority, remember, for a long time, nobody would stand up and say the Constitution matters the most in times of war and crisis. It's actually when we're in peril and when we face real difficulty that the fabric of the Constitution matters the most. And they were willing, don't forget, huge majorities of the American public were willing to throw the Constitution on a dumpster fire because they were afraid of COVID They decided that it didn't matter anymore.

[Clay Travis]

I completely disagree even with some of the conservatives when it comes to their jurisprudence that allowed them to or that they thought allowed the government to shut down churches because of an aerosol virus. That's there. They were wrong. They were scared and they were cowards, and they were wrong. You actually can't do that.

[Buck Sexton]

I agree, and I hope that not.

[Clay Travis]

While people are gathering to go to weed stores. Sorry, no, you know what I mean? Like, you gotta remember, it wasn't. It wasn't shelter in place, everybody. And if you don't, you're gonna die. It was, you know, go to Whole Foods, go to your weed store, go to the liquor store, but you can't go to church. Okay.

[Buck Sexton]

One of my favorites, Buck, was remember that they kept open some, like, there's an ice cream shop in my neighborhood that never shut down ice cream cupcake stores. Those were considered essential businesses. So you could go to those, you couldn't go to the church.

[Clay Travis]

You know, I'm going to tell you something. It's interesting because, you know, you've made this. You've called this long shot. We're weaving now. You've called this long shot about Andrew Cuomo being the. Being the mayor of New York City and the comeback that you think he's going to have. Now, up to this point, you're right. He's running and he's in the lead. However, Cuomo is horrible. Not just on Covid. My friend Mark Simone on W R reminded me of this recently. I was talking to him. Cuomo, you can go to the buck brief. We had a nice conversation about this, the podcast, and the claim Buck Network. Cuomo was the guy who did the. No, no. You know, the. Basically, you get released, no bail. I forget what the phrase is there. He's, you know, no, no, cash bail, I think was the way. But the jailbreak bill, that's what. The jailbreak bill, that was Cuomo, he actually did horrible things as the governor, but he was so bad on Covid that it overshadowed a lot of the terrible stuff that everybody disliked before then. And then the fact that the Democrats pushed him out for grabbing the lady around the stomach and kissing one on the cheek or whatever. It was like this, you know, the. The being handsy stuff. I'm not sure, Clay, he's going to have as easy a time as once. Once other people get it. Remember, no one thought Bill de Blasio was gonna be mayor of New York. There was a woman. I think her name was Christine Quinn. I can't remember. I think that's right. Who was expected to be the far and away. And I think, as people find out, when you look back at Cuomo on Covid and you look back at him on crime and a whole range of issues, he was. He was a terrible governor. Terrible.

[Buck Sexton]

I think the primaries in June, though, I mean, it's gonna be here in like, eight weeks. Nobody's gonna even hardly be paying attention. I did see this. You know who just endorsed Cuomo? Kirsten Gillibrand, one of the senators. But you know what's significant to me about that endorsement? She was the one who really forced out Al Franken over that picture on the airplane, on the transport where he's pretending to grab a girl's boobs when she's asleep. I mean, like a decade.

[Clay Travis]

I don't like to be in this position. I'm not. They did Al Franken dirty. Okay, I think Al Franken's a jerk, but that was wrong. They actually should not have pushed him out for that. Okay. There was that. That was not. That did not rise to the level of, you know, I just think it's.

[Buck Sexton]

An incredible sign of me too, being over that. Now she's endorsing Cuomo, who was actually forced out for legitimately touching a woman. Again. I think it's a joke that he got forced out in particular over this, that there's a lot of reasons that he was awful as governor, but now she's backing in and coming and supporting him. We'll talk a little bit about that more. But I think he's going to be the. I think he's going to win. I don't think it's going to be close and I would love to be wrong, but I unfortunately do not think I am. First round of the NFL draft was last night, Buck. I got amazing. Yeah, you watch any minute.

[Clay Travis]

My dad made me turn it on for a minute and he started, he was like, oh, I'm so happy that like, I think one of the guys was named Abdul. Is that, does that sound right?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Well, the Giants got a great. Your dad's a Giants fan, right?

[Clay Travis]

Yes, yes. He was all excited about.

[Buck Sexton]

They got Abdul Carter, who is a elite defensive player, but then they jumped in and got Jackson dart. So they got a brand new quarterback, too, another Ole Miss quarterback. So your dad is a Giants fan, probably happy. Draft was going on last night and you could have had some fun with prize picks with the draft. But also you've got the NBA playoffs, you got the NHL playoffs, you got Major League Baseball. Every day you can get hooked up right now you can play in California, Texas, Georgia. You get $50 instantly when you play. $5 if you go to prizepix.com use code CLAY that's $50 instantly. Texas, California, Georgia, nearly 40 states, 13 million people playing. All you have to do. Prizepix.com Code Clay for $50 prizepix.com Code clay Geek out with the guys on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast a new episode every Sunday. Find it on the Iheart app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

And then we got Tom Holman coming up at the top of the third hour, which should be outstanding as, as well to, to, to break it all down. But I think Tim in Omaha. Is Tim and Omaha still there?

[Clay Travis]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

What you got, Tim? Thanks for listening.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, just earlier when you were talking about the, the sanctuary cities and how they're not cooperating with the Fed, I don't know why Trump doesn't direct some of his agency head to apply the same policy. Like, if you want to cooperate with us, we'll cooperate with you. If you choose not to cooperate with us, we'll cut you off.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, thanks for the call. I think the question that he's kind of getting at is if a federal judge can be arrested for violating the law, how are many of the sanctuary city policies not direct contraventions of federal law? And I asked Tom Holman a bit about that in the third hour. You'll get his answer. I think this arrest of the judge Buck, signals an acceleration internally of their willingness to go after people who are stopping them from doing their jobs.

[Clay Travis]

Well, it sends a very powerful message to anybody else who thinks that they're going to obstruct Immigrations and Customs Enforcement effort. So, yeah, I don't think you want to be on the wrong side of this administration when it comes to their law enforcement efforts on immigration. We'll talk to Bill O'Reilly about this coming up here in a few minutes. Uncle Bill will be with us. A lot more coming. And then like we said, Tom Holman, third hour. Clay's gonna be rocking it solo. Stay with us.

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