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Clay Travis
Learn more@probane.com welcome in clay travis BUCK SEXTON Show Monday Edition we hope all of you had fantastic weekends. We are together in New York City. A lot going on this week, a lot going on over the course of the weekend. I hope that you got to spend time with your friends and your family after what was frankly an absolutely brutal last week. The fallout of the Charlie Kirk assassination continues. We're going to give you the absolute latest on that. We'll also continue to take your calls and talk backs. Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee is going to join us in the third hour as Trump has announced that he is calling the National Guard out for Memphis, Tennessee, which is, according to a lot of data sets out there, the most violent city in America on a per capita basis. We will talk about that. But Buck, I would say this. I was in Knoxville, Tennessee for the Georgia Tennessee football game, which is a great game until Tennessee shanked a kick to lose. Governor Brian Kemp immediately texted me right after. He was like, boy, Greg, he's a huge Georgia Bulldog fan. Great game. Like, thanks, governor. I'm a big Tennessee fan. But people came up to me, Buck. Everybody who came up to me wanted to talk about Charlie Kirk. Yeah, no, I mean at the game, at the game where 99.9% of the time when I'm at a football game, people want to almost exclusively talk about sports. Everybody who came up to me wanted to talk about Charlie Kirk and the impact that he had had on their life. And what I think is the continued fallout of I have to be honest with you, Buck, I knew that there would be a segment, because there always is on social media of people that are awful and react to tragedy by celebrating and marinating in the awfulness. I'm still stunned about the extent of the celebratory reaction to his assassination. And I didn't have high expectations for how the left would respond. But when I see the number of people who are teachers talking about, you know, not university professors, certainly a lot of university professors, which I'm less surprised by because we've kind of seen this a lot.
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Buck Sexton
District attorneys, pediatric nurses, doctors. You know what this is showing you? Everybody in every profession out there is possibly an anti Charlie Kirk loon like you can't say, oh, well, this person operates in the real world. So they, they would never I can trust my doctor. I could trust my, my next door neighbor. No, you don't know until you know whether somebody has failed this most basic test of morality. I think that's what's. So it's one thing, Clay, to see the usual imbeciles in the media, but. And they're all. They're all losing ground. They're all losing relevance that's been going on. So it's not surprising. It's still grotesque, but not surprising for them. What I think, though, is such a shock to people is the. The widespread nature of this, that there are so many people out there who are just not like everyday people. That's what I. They're just, you know, could be. Could be a homemaker, could be somebody who runs a local hardware store, and they're saying absolutely insane things in response to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, who was, as we've talked about, not just a political and social phenomenon, but a dad, a husband, a son, somebody who was incredibly decent and kind to people. So that. That, I think, has been something of an awakening. It does remind me, Clay, a little bit of after 911 there. I did, just from my own political awakening and why I decided, like, why did I go in the CIA and not go into Wall street like all my peers did? And it was in part because after 9 11, one, we had been attacked. But two, I had a recognition that there were a lot of people around the world and here at home who, after 9 11, their attitude was, we got what was coming to us. We deserved it, or there even should be. If you're talking about globally, there should be more of it. And so there was a call, a literal call to arms for so many of us to go and fight. I think this is for conservatism here at home. This is also turning into a moment of clarity that we won't be able to shake now. It's a. It's a clarion call in some ways. Right? It's like we're all now recognizing. You mentioned Clay. I just had. I went across the street where Clay and I are here in New York, went across the street to get a coffee, and someone came up me and said, I love what you guys are doing. And he said, I'm so sad about Charlie. And he said, you need to keep doing what you're doing. Yeah, Charlie would want that. That's part of. That's part of what I'm hearing from everybody, too. He was our. He was our friend, but he was also our peer. We were on the same team. What we wanted for the country is what Charlie wanted for the country. And so I'm hearing that for from a lot of people as they come up to me. But we have to understand the, the reality of the opposition and where they are on these things and the lack of decency and the lack of basic morality. And we have to confront this 100%.
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Clay Travis
All of that is true. It's also important and we're going to do our absolute best to keep you updated on all of the details. I'm sure you saw. They have put, I think they recognize on the left that a lot of normal people, let's leave aside the crazy celebrations. I think a lot of normal people who are apolitical. The idea that you would celebrate a dad getting assassinated at a free speech event, it does turn off huge segments of, let's call just the normal people in America who aren't paying attention to politics on a daily basis, but just say, my God, you're celebrating pure evil. Whatever you think about Charlie, he's got a three year old, he's got a one year old, he's got a widow. Now the idea that anybody would celebrate any dad's death ever, I think for both of us as dads is just awful. I mean, just leave aside all of the rest of it. They recognize, I think there's a recognition on some elements of the left that they, that they can't turn off the crazy in their party. And so they have tried to argue and I think we should dive into some of this, oh, this guy was actually a right winger and they have probably have heard some of this and I think we need to address this in detail. But because there is a concerted effort to just rewrite the history about why the motivation of this killer.
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Buck Sexton
A big thing that we haven't gotten to a big reveal from over the weekend is that it has been reported from multiple sources and confirmed from high up that the shooter, the assassin, was in a romantic relationship with a transitioning, as in a trans individual. Now that trans individual was cooperating with the FBI at last reporting. But that I think goes to ideology, it goes to motive, it goes to our understanding of this guy. This guy was in a relationship with a trans person, physical, like a romantic relationship with a trans person. And the more you dig into the ideology, the more this aligns with, you know, he is, he was not trans. But the single clay, this goes back for a long time. I was told by one of the National Review guys. I won't say who it was, but you know, I actually like a lot of those guys. I know some of them have gone very, a little anti Trump, but Some of them are very good dudes. But I was told by one of them a long time ago, I'm talking a decade ago, that he was, he'd been writing for dec. He himself been working in this politics commentary for decades. Said he was shocked at how he got more death threats writing about the trans issue than anything else than cops and race issues, than abortion, than the trans issue was the thing that, that got and this was going back now many years. This was like Obama administration era and I never forgot that. And we're seeing now, if you're looking for left wing radicalism, if you're looking for what is the center of that challenge, that problem that, you know, dragon that must be dealt with here it is the trans issue and at a lesser level, I think some of the cop and race stuff that comes up, but those are the two that will get you people on the left who will go the most violent, the fastest. Isn't it also in terms of climate change, which they told us was an existential threat. No one even thinks about this anymore.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
My point is that they shift from one delusion to another and this is the delusion of the moment that they will become violent over.
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Clay Travis
There are a lot of evidence points out there and again the FBI is in the process of going through this that suggest that multiple members of the trans community were posting that Charlie was going to get killed at this location at this point in time. Now how often does that happen? I think it's fair to say is this occurring when they're regularly. In other words, are there lots of people when he's speaking at X University that are going on social media and saying well something's going to happen there? I think that's fair to say. But these posts were up that are saying something is happening, he's going to get killed at this location. And the FBI is now investigating whether this may have been a part of a larger plan. Again, remember he was shot as the question was being asked about felt very.
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Buck Sexton
I mean the timing of it felt way too, way too big a coincidence for it to actually be a coincidence. And we're certainly, I know that was asked of, of Deputy Bongino on FOX this morning and he said, you know, he, all he can say and he's right is we're looking at it, we're looking at everything. And that is what they're doing right now. But this is clay. I mean I can tell you when I was in the NYPD intelligence division, I would say 95, which is counterterrorism and they've changed the terms and now it's bureau. But put all that aside. 95, 98%, I want to say 100%, but I just don't want to be, you know, that that definitive was jihadist terrorism. That's what we were working on. But you know that they had just to, just to be fair, just to make sure that everyone knew that they were, they had a white supremacist cell there, you know, group that looked at them. They were very bored. It had almost nothing to do, would always help us with our work. But they did assign people. Now they also had people looking to be fair at antifa stuff too, because they had already started to become a violent group. But I'm saying as somebody who's worked in counterterrorism, how. Let me, let me pose this question which I'm obviously leading to an answer here. How many mass casualty ideologically based attacks do we have to have before there is an understanding and a treatment of this issue as systemic as in trans terrorism is a threat that the country must deal with and face.
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Clay Travis
Now I think we're past that point by far. Right. Which is where you're going exactly.
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Buck Sexton
Every, the FBI. This needs to be treated like a task force. This needs to be treated like the, with the urgency that it should have. And you know, we're going to have all the same, all the civil rights and they're going to say, you're looking at this community. You know, we went through this with, with the jihadist stuff we, we've gone through and they tried to go through this with Trump voters and January 6th. Right. They used the counterterrorism apparatus against nonviolent grandmas who walked into a building that they were waved into because we saw the video. I, I know there were some people who are violent with cops. A lot of people are violent with cops and don't even spend a single day in jail as long as they're Democrats.
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Clay Travis
Including the entire BLM era.
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Buck Sexton
All of it. All of it. Right. But we are at a point now and this is why this is an ideological challenge for the country. We can't go past this. And I think that's what the assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk has made it inescapable for anyone who is paying attention to. We have a real challenge here. It is widespread. This is the same thing, Clay, with, with jihadist ideology. There were the suicide bombers, but then there were the facilitators and then there were the spiritual sanctuary sanction sanctioners and then there were the, you Know, you go through these concentric circles of who is involved and who is pushing what and how are they a part of this movement. Go on, Discord. Go online. You'll see a lot of people that are saying this stuff.
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Clay Travis
Reddit and blue sky is crazy is insane.
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Buck Sexton
Blue sky, the night of Charlie's assassination, I was on it. It was the most horri thing I've ever read in my life. Honestly, it was completely insane. And now we're going to get into this First Amendment debate, right? They're going to say what's allowed, what's not. Well, incitement to violence is not allowed. Material support to terrorism is not allowed. We need to start looking at this issue with the same kind of focus that has been used at other times when we faced an ideological threat. And that is what we are under right now as a country. And that is just the truth. And I'll debate that issue with anybody.
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Clay Travis
Who wants to debate it, no doubt.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
Well, all right. Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're here in New York City, and we are obviously tackling the biggest stories still out there, which is the Charlie Kirk assassination, the aftermath, what it is showing us about the country we live in and how we have to continue, we have to continue this fight for the truth in public squares, for free speech, true free speech. We will not let the terrorists win. Clay, I do think that word needs to be used more here. I was just saying there should be cells that are starting to specialize. How many mass shootings by either a trans individual or someone motivated by the trans ideology have to happen before this is something specifically that law. Now, it might already be happening in some places. I'm not in the FBI. I'm not in the counterterrorism division of a major police department anymore. But I certainly hope that that is going on or is about to be going on, because it was terrorism. We use the term assassination is correct, but the term terrorism is also correct. This was a murder for ideological purposes. Just a programming note here. We got Senator Marsha Blackburn will be with us on the in the third hour of the show to talk about the National Guard heading to Memphis. You know, I know this whole thing has Been truly heartbreaking for President Trump and, and his kids, who are all very close, particularly Don Jr. But all of them were very close with Charlie. But Clay, he's also, he's attending them. He's going to be attending the memorial coming up. He's, he's doing all that he can to honor Charlie. The administration, though, is also keeping the foot on the accelerator to make sure that they are, they have, I think, a renewed sense of purpose on some of these issues. Saving lives, taking, taking all measures they can to defeat the, honestly, the evil forces of the left. I mean, this feels more like a good versus evil struggle than any time I can remember.
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Clay Travis
Also, it has to for President Trump, his ability to move past what happened to him in Butler, Pennsylvania is frankly, superhuman.
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Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Clay Travis
The way that he's continued to appear in big events, the fact that he has not appeared to have any sort of fear associated with somebody else trying to do that to him, trying to kill him again after the double assassination attempts, it has to in some way be evocative and I would think traumatic on some level for him to have seen what just happened to Charlie. I just don't see any way that could it. And again, Trump is a dad. I think most of you who are dads and moms out there, the thing that many of us are unable to get past is the fact that Charlie was 31 and has a three year old and a one year breaks me.
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Buck Sexton
Down every time we start to talk.
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Clay Travis
I honestly, anybody out there, the first time, this is something that I don't think you can prepare for. But every one of you knows that feeling of when you have a kid, the first thing you think is, I just want to get him or her to adulthood and we'll talk about that more. But I think it is incredibly evocative and many people continue to have that reaction. I want to tell you about scammers. They're not just after your money, they're after your personal information. And with the rise of AI, they can create believable scams that might trick you into sharing info with the wrong people or organization. It's important to understand how cybercrime and identity theft are affecting our lives. And that's what LifeLock does. Their ability to monitor millions of data points online, looking for evidence that some scammer has your info and is using it illegally to make money with your good name, to help you protect yourself from that occurring, your identity being stolen. Go to lifelock.com use my name Clay, and you get 40% off your first year with that promo code. Clay, Clay. Call 1-800-LIFELOCK. You can go online to lifelock.com my name Clay for 40 off. That's lifelock.com my name clay for 40 off. Terms apply. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the.
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Buck Sexton
Front lines of truth.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. A lot of you weighing in on a variety of different angles relating to the Charlie Kirk story. We're going to get into this probably next hour, Buck, and we'll take some of your talkbacks right now. But I think it's incredibly important for all of you to know that there are, there is a calculated decision made to try and make it seem and I know this is going to sound crazy to a lot of you, but I think it's important. You know, I like I say, I read the New York Times and, and all the crazy left wing talk so.
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Buck Sexton
You don't have to be watching Morning Joe.
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Clay Travis
It's like Buck, watch Good Morning Joe. We try to make you aware of what everybody is saying across the political spectrum. Over the weekend there was a calculated attempt to try to make this assassin seem like he was a Trump supporting right winger. I even saw prominent left wing accounts, Buck trying to say Charlie Kirk was killed because he wasn't right wing enough. That was one of the arguments they were trying to make. Now it is collapsing because there is no evidence to support that. But if you have left wing friends, they may be marinating in this universe where they're claiming that this violence came from the right. It did not. Okay, this guy. Just to kind of lay out a couple of facts, this guy had a family that tended to be conservative. That is true. He went off to college and seems to have lost his mind. He was a smart kid, 34 on the ACT. I was reading about him, 4.0 GPA. What's a 34 in the ACT of 36. So it's like a 99th percentile caliber score. So one in a thousand level standardized test score. So the kid was smart and then got lost in left wing ideology as you pointed out is living with and has, I don't even know what you would call it.
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Buck Sexton
He's dating a trans person.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, but it's not like a boyfriend or a girl. I don't even know. He's dating a dude who's pretending to be a chick now. Is that right?
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Buck Sexton
That is correct, yes.
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Clay Travis
So he is deciding a sexual relationship.
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Buck Sexton
With a man who, who, who presents, presents as female or whatever.
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Clay Travis
All of the reports about the engravings on the bullets as we walked through our left wing slogan.
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Buck Sexton
I believe the girlfriend. I'm sorry, the boy, whatever, he is trans. The trans, you know, partner is also a furry. Yeah, no, I'm just, I'm just thinking.
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Clay Travis
How are we going to explain to this?
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Buck Sexton
I will be honest with you, I do not. This is that reaches. There's this whole online discord, the some of the words that are being used for the trans stuff. I'm actually learning some new things about that because I don't. And furries I am only familiar with in a very limited fashion.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
So somebody who dresses up as a. Again, guys, I understand this is just true.
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Clay Travis
I'm actually looking forward to Buck explaining furries to this audience.
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Buck Sexton
Furry is someone who dresses up as a woodland creature for sexual purposes. That is, that is the truth.
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Clay Travis
Is it. Does it have to be a woodland character or could you be like a Care Bear?
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Buck Sexton
Well, I think that, I think that is, that is what you're having the same kind of idea. Like you dress up as an animal.
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Clay Travis
Basically you are dressing up as an animal as like a Disney sort of character, but not a, like an animal Disney character.
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Buck Sexton
We have reached the limit of my knowledge.
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Clay Travis
Thank. Thankfully. Thankfully, I'm not very well versed in this world either. But my point on this is all of the bullets.
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Buck Sexton
But can you say you're not, you're not emotionally psychologically normal?
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
If I'm talking about now the assassin. If this is what you're. What you're going for, there's, there's problems here.
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Clay Travis
I would say you are not psychologically normal. If you are a guy and you are dating a man that is deciding to transition to a woman. I'm sorry, who dresses up like a.
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Buck Sexton
Like a bunny rabbit.
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Clay Travis
It's fun, super fricking weird. This guy's mental.
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Buck Sexton
Crazy stuff.
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Clay Travis
And there is a lot of evidence as well that again, he was a super far left winger, mentally unstable, clearly. And there is a lot of evidence out there that many different people in the trans community in the state of Utah, which does exist by the way, were aware that something was going to happen here. And so I think it's very important for you all to understand there is a calculated attempt because of how embarrassing this is and how awful this is for the left.
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Buck Sexton
They don't want to take the hit ideologically. They don't want this. Yeah. They want to claim that this is, this is not on their side, so to speak. And I just note, you know, they've tried for a very long time to say that the guy who shot Gabby Giffords was right wing. I mean, that guy was a pink elephants in the sky paranoid schizophrenic of no particular ideological cohesion whatsoever. I mean, you couldn't figure out. But they try very hard to make that because we have a long list now of very left wing people who. There was the guy who was yelling, Rand Paul. Senator Paul told us on this show, the guy was screaming, this is for health care.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
And he was a Bernie. A Bernie broke shooting at those congressional members. Conservatives, he said, are these conservative members of Congress. When he was walking the baseball field with that rifle shot Steve Scalise, tried to murder everybody there. But Clay. They don't want this to. They don't want this to sort of seep into the American consciousness. Because the second it does, there's a radicalizing effect here toward. We have to deal with this problem.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
And we, and you just mentioned people that might have known about this in advance. I would just say, what does it tell you if there were other people either supportive of or within the trans ideology? And this is very clearly, I mean, you think about people, people have committed ideological acts of terrorism for the environment, people for far less than the so called genocide against the trans community that the left believes is going on. So now we look at, okay, who knew that something was coming and didn't say anything.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
Who knew that Charlie Kirk was in danger and didn't go to the authorities? Now you can claim one way or the, oh, well, maybe that doesn't rise to criminal culpability. Maybe they. Yeah, let's take a look at that. And I know Director Director Patel and Deputy Director Bongino are going to be as. They should take a look at that. Because how could this be any different than, you know, someone saying, you know what, I'm building a bomb and I'm going to go put it in a, in a synagogue. Something we dealt with when I was the nypd.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
How is it any different than that, lack of basic humanity to say that I'm going to try to stop this from happening and innocence from being killed?
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Clay Travis
I think also what you're going to see is some of these places online. And again, we'll get into this. Some of these places online are crazy echo chambers. And when you go into these communities, they radicalize you because you lose the capability of understanding the real world. I thought the governor of Utah actually did a good job of this. And I know so many of you have kids and grandkids and you worry about this, the radicalizing impact of an entirely online culture. Getting out into the real world is actually healthy.
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Buck Sexton
He has said some not so good things too. As you know, I just, just. I know we're going to get hit on that unless we point out that this, it is not a. Both sides, Both sides. The second someone does the both sides thing, I, you know, shut it down. No way.
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Clay Travis
Uh, but I do think this is something that I, I spend a lot of time with as a dad, and I know a lot of you as parents and grandparents. How do you get your kids off your phone and how do you get your kids into the real world? This is why somebody sent me an email and I thought it was really well said. You know, getting kids involved in sports and getting kids involved in extracurricular activities. I think in an Internet age is more important than it ever has been in the past because it forces them to have that face to face interaction in the real world which takes you out of the crazy echo chambers of the Internet which radicalize you and make you think that what you are working towards is normalcy.
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Buck Sexton
You couldn't do what this. If you were an even vaguely psychologically stable and had anything resembling a conscience, you couldn't do what this person did to Charlie Kirk. If you recognized him as a human being and a dad and a father, you couldn't do that.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
The way. And I've seen this. I go back to the days when Clay. We had a whole unit going into. Look, I was in the CIA. We used to see what these jihadis were saying online, what they thought they were saying in encrypted comms, what they thought they were saying on cell phones. I mean, so you really get in the headsp. Dehumanization is critical in the mass delusion. And they dehumanize Charlie Kirk. They turned him into an avatar of some, you know, anti trans genocidal evil, when in reality first, I mean, put aside even the arguments about what he was saying and everything else. He's a dad, he's a husband, he's a son, he's a neighbor, he's an American, he's a good person. You know, all of that gets swept aside because in these ideological echo chambers, it turns into, he is something that must be dealt with instead of he's a human being. And I've seen this with terrorism over and over again.
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Clay Travis
I think that's really well said. I would also point this out and this is what is so. And we're going to play a couple of your talkbacks here in a sec before we Go to break. Here is what I would say, too. It's one thing for a crazy person to kill someone. Unfortunately, crazy people will be killing people for all of our lives. And beyond. What I can't get out of my head, Buck, is if you go watch that video. At the moment that the shot was fired at that Utah free speech event, there is a guy who stands up and cheers. I don't know how many of you have seen that. He's at this Charlie Kirk event. He hears the gunshot ring out. He immediately stands up and cheers as if his favorite team has just scored a touchdown. That reaction is natural. His brain is already so polluted that Charlie Kirk is so dehumanized to him that he shows up at that event. And when Charlie Kirk is shot, the instant that he falls back, that man, Everybody else is ducking down. Have you seen that video? That guy stands up. We should share it on Clay and Buck because I think it's so dark. That guy stands up and cheers. Let me play this for you. A June says thanks for last week. Let's play her.
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Buck Sexton
I'm a 65 year old woman, a widow with four grown children, ten grandchildren. Listen to you guys every day while I'm working remotely from home. Love you guys. I feel like you're my family and I just want to let you guys know that you were a major help. I did not feel all alone listening.
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Clay Travis
To you guys this week.
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Buck Sexton
It was an emotional week to begin with, before the thing with Charlie even happened, the whole thing with the poor young woman. We really appreciate that and we feel the same way. And honestly, we were relying on all of you and leaning on you and using your shoulder for support too, with your calls. But just knowing that you're out there listening and you're with us in this whole process. Clay and I always say we don't need therapy because we have this show. So it was a two way street. It was a two way street, keeping each other steady and reminding each other we have to get back into this fight. So we're thankful to all of you.
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Clay Travis
She was pointing out there before she got cut off that the start of the week was the awful story out of Charlotte.
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Buck Sexton
Oh, my gosh. That's right.
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Clay Travis
Oh, it was just an emotionally devastating. You watched the video of the woman in Charlotte and then the video of Charlie getting shot. It was as tough of a week as I can remember.
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Buck Sexton
That was. That was. I mean, certainly since October 7th in terms of the level of. Of horror that the news cycle had brought us. That was the Last feelings of those similar feelings of, oh my gosh, what's going on. And it was one of the toughest news cycles we've ever had to deal with, honestly here, ever. So even before we were in this, in this media world. So thank you for being here for us. All right, look, I do have to tell you, I'm here in the studio with Clay and I've got some, I've got some chalk right here in my hand. You see this blue? It's delicious. It's delicious. I know it looks like, you know, smurf beer or something here because it's all blue. It is absolutely delicious, though. And I do chalks. I do chalk's chad mode, which is what that is. And it gets me so fired up for my day. It is energy like you cannot believe. So if you just want that, if you just want the boost to get things done, I mean, anything, just more to get through your day. Certainly for the gym, it's a game changer for the gym. But you know, my in law's Clay. My mother in law likes to take it before she gets like really into cleaning the house, the garage goes after it because you just are, you know, you're just ready, you're focused, you've got all that drive. But for the guys out there, the male vitality stack includes a leading ingredient that replenishes diminished testosterone levels in men. So I've got Chad Mud here in the studio. I'm gonna drink some of it over the course of the show. Keep me energized and focused. Go to chalk c-oq.com Chalk makes incredible supplements. Try the mill vitality stack for the guys out there and for anybody, chad mode. If you want energy boost drive I, by the way, I don't mix anything. I just drink it in water. I think it's delicious. All ingredients that you'll recognize. You can read too, by the way, this is the best stuff. Chalk chok.com use my name Buck for a massive discount on any subscription for life. That's chalk. Choq.com use my name Buck Clay Travis.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We're going to take more of your calls and also get into talkbacks. You all know the phone number. The TalkBack on the iHeart app is a great way to go. And you just go to the iHeartRadio app. Make sure you download that to your phone and then you go to the Clay and Buck page and you press the microphone. After you subscribe, of course, to our show, which is also home to a whole range of fantastic podcasts, which you should all check out for. Sure. Let's do. Hold on. We got a, we got a few things here. We have George in Florida. George, welcome. Thank you, guys. I just wanted to make the comment that Charlie Kirk was not assassinated and murdered about for what he said or what he spoke. He was murdered and assassinated because young people listened and they processed it and many of them, millions, voted accordingly. And that's what scared these, these, these morons, these idiots, these left wing wackos. That's, that's what terrified him. His words didn't scare him so much. Well, no, I appreciate that, George. And yes, it's the, the positions that Charlie was taking are, are common positions for everybody in conservative media and, and for half the country. Quite honestly, there's nothing that Charlie was saying that was, that was fringe or that was meant to just be inflammatory. Look, ideologically, what Charlie says is in total alignment with what we say here on this show and have for years. So as, as well as other shows, you know, Ben Shapiro show and Matt Walsh's show and go down the list. There's no, there's no difference in the ideologies or rather in the points that are being made. But to your point, Charlie was very effective at taking the argument into the lion's den of these college campuses. And he was also very good in the online world, understood that and was winning. And the left needs clay to win in their minds in that online world or else the whole edifice of delusion crumbles.
- [46:08]
Clay Travis
No doubt. And again, what I believe Charlie did so well and there's super positivity. We need to play some of Erica Kirk, his wife's remarkable statements on Friday. What Charlie did so well was go to where people are and find them there. And young people, I think uniquely want to see issues debated and they want to see arguments made from both sides because they're young and they're learning what political values they have. And I think the caller is correct that Charlie had such an impact that they decided they had to kill him. But I would argue it's also what he was saying that was so impactful. He's got the right arguments and I think young men in particular are responsive to hearing the right arguments and crave them because they're not getting them from legacy media. And that's what Charlie recognized. What we recognize on this show and why I think we have developed a pretty substantial youngish audience relative to who traditionally listens to radio. We've layered in a lot of younger people. It's why we want to be everywhere. It's why we are everywhere. Whether it's TikTok, whether it's YouTube, wherever people go to consume media, we want to be there.
- [47:23]
Buck Sexton
Come back here in a second. Charlie has someone who is guest hosting the Charlie Kirk program today, the Vice President, United States. We'll talk about that and more. Stay around.
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Clay Travis
America is changing and so is the world.
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But what's happening in America isn't just.
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Buck Sexton
The cause of global upheaval.
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Tristan Redman
It's also a symptom of disruption that's happening everywhere.
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Tristan Redman
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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