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Clay Travis
This is an iHeart podcast. Welcome in Thursday edition. Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Buck is out traveling with his family on a summer vacation. He will be back on Monday with me. I've got you today and tomorrow solo. We have an absolutely locked and loaded program. Senator Marsha Blackburn has announced that she is going to be running for governor of Tennessee. She will be on with us at the bottom of this hour. In the second hour, big battle in North Carolina coming to replace Thom Tillis. Michael Watley, who ran the RNC, did a great job in 2024, North Carolina native. He is going to be the Republican nominee to run against former Governor Roy Cooper of the state of North Carolina. This is going to be an epic battle. Next year. We will talk with Michael Whatley, who hopefully will be the next senator from North Carolina. And then at 10:32:30, we will speak with Tim Scott, who is the current senator from South Carolina, about all of the ongoing shenanigans in Washington, D.C. and beyond. So there is the roadmap of where we are going. Bottom of the hour, we've got a bunch of guests, two senators and one who hope to be a senator as well as one who hopes to be a governor. All of that coming your direction. Now, within that construct, we have got a lot of stuff going on right now that I want to dive into. I think in an incredibly consequential manner, Trump has demanded that we have a new census. I'm going to explain why that could be so incredibly consequential, not only right now because there were a lot of errors in the 2020 census and he believes they need to be rectified, but also because in 2030, they're going to be seismic differences in the overall census tallies. And I think this is a battle that you should be paying a lot of attention to because it could be incredibly important not only for the midterms, but also in the 2028 presidential race and beyond that, in the 2030 interplay as it pertains to the census. But I wanted to start with what I would say is a genuine acknowledgment that our cities have become too violent and it's time to actually put bad guys behind jail, behind bars, in jail. And we are getting these questions and these viral stories from all over the country. But I wanted to start with one that we talked with Bernie Marino about a violent attack on an innocent woman, Holly who Bernie Marino came on with us last week and talked all about it. She has now Had a public appearance. Many of you saw her awfully brutal, bruised and battered face. And she now has spoken out about what happened to her. She appeared with our friend Senator Bernie Marino of Ohio. Cut 11. This is what it sounded like.
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Holly
We need more police officers. But like he said, you know, the judges who are just letting people out with a slap. The man who attacked me and might have permanently damaged me forever should never have been on the streets ever. And the fact that he had just gotten out of jail previously for something, he should have been in there for years. It's really sad to me because I can't even fathom how many other people who have been in attacked by the same type of man over and over and over. In Toledo, in Columbus, Cincinnati, Dayton. Our streets are being taken over and nobody is doing anything. I am so sad. And I need to be the voice to help all of the victims that never got their justice.
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Clay Travis
Well said. Well said by her. Again, if you heard Bernie Marino tell her story. She is a mom of a young special needs child. She went out on a date in Cincinnati and she got knocked out. She got in an Uber after she got knocked out. Think about that for a minute. Said innocent mom, could have been any mom in America. Out for a night out in a big city, Cincinnati. She got slug, knocked out on video. Police came, they didn't do anything, and she got in an Uber and drove home. How does this happen? And I know that a lot of you out there are cops and you're listening to me all over the country and you are just nodding your head because you're saying, we arrest these bad guys. This guy got out for a $400 bail. Arrested all the time. It's the same dudes. Almost always dudes, same bad guys. Time after time after time. What in the world is going on here? And I think they're finally, we're at a tipping point. And we finally got a president and we got enough senators and governors who are standing up and saying, no, we're not going to let this happen. Yesterday I was talking with you about, look, I love Washington D.C. i went to college there. I'm a history nerd. It is a beautiful city. There is way too much crime there. And what you hear people say is, oh, crime's coming down. Yeah, from all time highs. How about we actually address the fact that any significant rate of violent crime is unacceptable in this country? How about we have a real conversation about that? And I give credit to Jeanine Pirro. I mean, it's. Play some of these audio clips New D.C. attorney formerly at Fox News. And I give credit to President Trump for raising this as an issue. Here is Judge Jeanine Pirro. Cut to saying, hey, I'm in charge now and this is not going to be acceptable.
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Judge Jeanine Pirro
Violence against anyone in this district will not be tolerated, especially violence which has hate at its core and is the genesis of, of violence. The president put me here to do a job, to clean up the district, to make sure that crime doesn't overshadow this phenomenal city, our nation's capital. And I have throughout my career fought anti Semitism for 32 years. As a prosecutor and a judge, I do. So I fight hate crimes with a vengeance. So don't even think about targeting people in this district because of who they are or because of where they're from. I promise you justice will be swift and it will be certain.
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Clay Travis
I love her. Let's get Allie. Let's get a request in for Judge Pirro. I think we've had her on the program in the past and certainly we overlap quite a lot at Fox News. So I know her from the green room at Fox News, and I think it's important. Okay. You, you might be sitting around out there and you might be saying, hey, okay, what's the counter argument to this? Trump said, in fact, cut three. Hey, maybe we just need to take over the D.C. police force and actually make something happen here. Here's cut 3.
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Holly
Federalizing D.C. are you considering taking over the D.C. police?
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Donald Trump
Is that an option on the.
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We're considering it, yeah. Because the crime is, is ridiculous. I could show you A chart comparing D.C. to other locations and you're not going to want to see what it looks like. It was just up on television, actually, they were showing it. Now we want to have a great, safe capital and we're going to have it. And that includes cleanliness and includes other things. We have a capital that's very unsafe.
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Holly
You want Congress to look at overturning the D.C. home Rule Act?
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Donald Trump
We're going to look at that. In fact, they are. The lawyers are already studying it. We have to run DC this has to be the best run place in the country, not the worst run place in the country.
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Clay Travis
I mean, he's right on all of this. And I give him credit for coming in and trying to solve this problem instead of just kind of hiding behind the security detail, as many presidents have done in the past. They don't actually solve issues when it comes to violence. And what the president's referring to is, I ran through this yesterday. I Think maybe it was the day before yesterday. We have one of the highest violent crime rates of any capital city in the world. Most people, and I ran through countries, I mean, Ethiopia, Adisi Baba, which I'm probably mispronouncing, has a lower rate of violent crime in its capital city than the United States does. Why does that happen? Most people, most countries consider their capital to be a jewel that should represent the best of their country and not be a place that is filled with violent crime. And so the rest of the country may not be as safe, and that's unfortunate. But they say, hey, this, the capital city is going to be safe. We're going to put the resources in to ensure that this isn't happening. And I give a lot of credit to Trump and Judge Jeanine Pirro for shining a light on this. And what's the counter argument? This is really funny to me because Trump is basically saying, hey, rates of violent crime are way too high. And I want to do whatever it takes to get those rates of violent crime down. D.C. is far higher than a city like New York City, for instance. When it comes to rates of violent crime, New York City is far safer than Washington, D.C. what's the response? Okay, it seems like a good thing, something that you could be in favor of no matter what your politics are. Well, Jessica Tarlov, who's also at Fox News, in fact used to sit next to Judge Jeanine Pirro on the Five, a show that many of you would watch on a regular basis. She says, actually crime's down. What are we worried about in D.C. here's cut four.
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Marsha Blackburn
What are Democrats thinking when it comes.
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Donald Trump
To the nationalization of D.C. they're thinking hard.
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Marsha Blackburn
No.
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Judge Jeanine Pirro
Why not?
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Donald Trump
Because there's no reason to have Donald Trump be in charge. Is it about Trump or is it about crime? Well, it actually is about crime. And the good news is is that crime is down dramatically. So year over year, 2024 had a violent climb drop to a 30 year low, 35% down and carjacking's cut in half. Robberies down 24%. Homicides down 17%. Assault with a dangerous weapon down 14%. Just because big Balls did a terrible job at Doge does not mean that he deserved this. Any incident is terrible, but we have.
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Clay Travis
To follow to Jack. Okay, so how do you argue against this? How do you argue against a very basic fact that should be supported by everyone? We need violent crime rates way down. Moms all over this country need to be able to go out to dinner in a city without worrying that they're going to get knocked flat out on the street by a mob of violent thugs that accost them. I have said for a long time that one of the ways to know whether your neighborhood is safe or not is are you okay with your wife, your girlfriend, your daughter, going for a jog around 6 o' clock, p.m. in the afternoon, evening in your neighborhood? Far too many American cities and neighborhoods, the answer is no. And I know there's a ton of you listening to me right now, that if you see your wife get in your tennis shoes, you're like, hey, I hope you're going to the gym because it's a little bit late, might start to get dark. I don't feel comfortable with you out on the streets. You got a daughter, you got a granddaughter trying to stay in shape. How many different parts of America do we not feel comfortable with women going for jogs or walks or workouts in the neighborhood? Because we've just come to accept that violent crime is a real threat and we don't even want the women in our lives to be out. Now, some men probably like me, you don't worry about it that much, but every woman thinks about it all the time. And that mom Holly in Cincinnati getting knocked out. I'm sorry, it's unacceptable. And what's further unacceptable is when we point out this violence. Young intern gets killed randomly in the streets of Washington, D.C. and people say, okay, well, but you know, in real life, the rate of violent crime is actually declining. Okay, let's decline it faster. That's what Trump's saying. And I think Trump deserves credit, by the way, for the rates of violent crime beginning to decline in 2025, fairly significantly. Because I think a lot of you out there nodding right now, police officers, you can finally do your jobs again. You can put some bad guys behind bars. But here in my home state, Memphis, I talked about this the other day. I was out in March. I'll tell you this story a little bit more when we come back, but because we're going to talk with Senator Blackburn, who wants to run for governor. I took my son. He had a sporting event in Memphis. I know a lot of y' all are listening in Memphis right now. I forgot my charger. And it was March was the night Tennessee and Kentucky played a basketball game. Needed to charge my phone. And I went downstairs, maybe they had a charger there. And I said, well, I'll just go to the grocery store. And the lady at the counter said, hey, be careful. It's 8:30 at night. It's not like it was 2:30 in the morning. She said to me, be careful. If you're going out to buy a charger after dark, what are we talking about? That going to a grocery store or a convenience store or a gas station after dark in a city like Memphis at 8 o'. Clock. We're not talking about 3am that the front desk ladies are like, hey, be careful. Buck talked about this. He went to St. Louis. He was like, hey, is there anywhere to walk to go get something to eat? They're like, well, you, you can't walk anywhere. What are we talking about? That this is just considered to be a normal part of discourse. This is something that is significant. Let's let cops do the job. Let's put bad guys behind bars. Let's make everyone, women in particular, safe in every big city in America. That seems like a very reasonable goal. Uh, and I think it's an important conversation that we need to be having. Uh, speaking of being safe, right now, the IFCJ is doing a lot of work to try to make people in Israel safe. But because there are missiles that might come flying in at any moment. I saw it for myself on my trip to Israel with a couple of the crew on this show. You never know when you're going to get an alert on your phone. You're going to have to run to a bomb shelter. And when that happens, you want to make sure that you're close to one and that you're safe. And that's what the IFCJ does. You can go online, check out the work they do. It's phenomenal. @ifcj.org that's ifcj.org you can also give them a call. Find out how you can help everyone be safe from missile attack in Israel. 888488 IFCJ. That's 888488 IFCJ. Check them out online at IFCJ.org Making.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show I was talking about Memphis. And every state has a city just about where you even within the construct of the of the state where there may be places where it's a little bit unsafe. There's one city where everybody's like, you really better be careful there. I mean, that's unfortunately where we are in the country right now. And for my home state of Tennessee, it's Memphis. And I'm just kind of astounded over how commonplace it has become in many of our biggest cities to just tell people, yeah, you really shouldn't go out after dark. This is bonkers that this has just become accepted, common discussion that you're staying in a hotel or you live in that city yourself and people just say, yeah, hey, maybe just don't go out after dark. Yeah, I know you may need something. Baby's hungry, you've got, you've got to go get some formula or you got to go get milk or cereal or kids are going to be hungry in the morning. Maybe just wait till dawn and go get it. Excuse me, is this like the walking dead? Are there vampires just everywhere and they might descend upon you? This is the world we're in right now and we have grown to accept it. And frankly, we shouldn't and we shouldn't accept, hey, well, the rates are declining, so we shouldn't be complaining about this. Any rate of violent crime of a significant degree in any city of America that makes people change their behavior should not be acceptable, period. Let's let cops do their job, let's put bad guys behind bars and let's use Washington, D.C. as a jewel for the nation to explain what we could do to make things better. You know, I want to make things better for you. Texting with my 14 year old during the most recent commercial break. He's got a football game coming up on Friday and want to make sure that he's got all this cleats ready for practice that he's got everything to be geared up for. And I Also text my 17 year old every day about a variety of topics because they are on PureTalk. I trust PureTalk to be a cell phone company that allows me to stay in touch with my kids when they aren't here with me right now. Now, we didn't get phones for my kids till they were 14, but when we did, we went with Pure Talk. We can save a Bundle up to $1,000 over the course of the year. Why would you not take advantage of that opportunity? How much difference could $1,000 make for you at the end of a year? It's simple. Same phone. All you have to do is go pound 250 say clay and buck. That's pound 250 say clay and buck. Welcome back in clay Travis. Buck Sexton show Joining us now is the next governor of my home state of Tennessee, Senator Marsha Blackburn, who announced yesterday that she would be running for governor next year. Senator Blackburn, appreciate having you on. I've given you this praise before, but I do think it's important. I'm not sure there's anyone in public service right now who is more responsible for the state of Tennessee being a huge destination point than you. And for those of you out there who do not know, Senator Blackburn, long before she was a senator, led the opposition to a state income tax in Tennessee. And as a result, I bet it's almost like I feel like every week I meet someone who has moved from another state and one of the first things they say is I would, I did not want to pay state income tax elsewhere. So I'll let you take a bow for that to start. But I imagine that's evidence and anticipation of what you would like to continue to do when you are elected governor.
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Marsha Blackburn
Well, Clay, you're exactly right. And thanks for having me on. You know, when the people of this state joined with me and we defeated that state income tax, it forced our state to reset how they do business, to skinny up the bureaucracy and to get their fiscal health in order without burdening the people of the state with the state income tax, which allows you to have a city income tax, which allows you to have a county income tax. And many people that are moving to Tennessee are escaping that myriad of high taxes on their earned income. Now, as we look at what President Trump has delivered for the American people, he said, I will drain the swamp. He is sending education back to the states because he's closing the US Department of Education. He is sending health care back to the states in energy and regulation. And all of this responsibility that has been tangled up in Washington D.C. with miles of red tape, he is sending back to the people and to the states and local governments. So this is the chance to reset our state state so that as that authority comes back, we in Tennessee who are great innovators, we who believe in a small central government, what we will do is position ourselves to be America's conservative leader for decades to come.
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Clay Travis
What do you think? And we're talking to Senator Marsha Blackburn, who has announced she's running for governor. You just ran through there a lot of the things you want to do. How do you think the job of senator, where you have been for a little while, is going to be different than governor? And why do you think you're better suited as governor going forward?
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Marsha Blackburn
Well, one of the things that pertains to both of those and to all public service that I think is important is that you realize you are there to be responsible to the people, which is something we have always done. And I think it's also important to realize that leadership means that you actually lead people, you manage assets. And that is something I have a great track record of doing. It is up to the governor of the state to set that agenda. We know in Tennessee the primary issues that people are focused on are having a world class economy and jobs and jobs growth, wage growth, having educational opportunity and a world class education for our children so that they're able to fill those jobs. Advanced manufacturing and research work and technology advancement, emerging technology jobs that are coming into the state. And the other is the issue of crime, public safety and illegal immigration, how that figures in to that public safety and crime. So these are all being sent back to the states and that's what Tennesseans are wanting to see action on, 100%.
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Clay Travis
I was just talking about the fact that on my last trip to Memphis, my middle son had an athletic event. I realized that I had forgotten a cell phone charger. And when I went down to the front desk at the hotel, it wasn't even very late. 8:30 o', clock, 8:30 at night, something like that. The front desk agent said, well, be really careful going out to go get a cell phone charger. Memphis has fallen apart. You've been in this state for a while. I know there's tons of people in Memphis listening to us right now, nodding along. How do we make Memphis in particular safe for good people of whom there are tons in that city. What can be done. You hear President Trump Talking about Washington, D.C. memphis has a way higher rate of violent crime than Washington D.C. and Washington D.C. is too high. What can we do?
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Marsha Blackburn
Yes, and one of the things that I've done, and by the way, State Senator Brent Taylor in Memphis is doing a remarkable job. I've done a lot of work with him and he has endorsed me in this run for governor. And one of the things that I've done is work with Cash Patel, who's the director at the FBI, and Attorney General Pam Bondi. And we have surged FBI resources and federal law enforcement resources into Memphis because it is imperative that we break apart these gangs that are there in Memphis and the surrounding area. So that is one thing that we have done. Another thing in working with the elected leaders of Memphis, realizing that the after school hours, the time between 2 o' clock in the afternoon and 6 o', clock, that is a high propensity time for juvenile crime. So the After School act, and this is something I'm working on, doing a roundtable with leaders in Memphis next week, the Afterschool act, which would put resources in the hands of organizations to make certain that they are providing programs for young people so that they have somewhere to be during those after school hours. We also, Senator Haggerty and I have a piece of legislation restoring law and order that would put resources in the hands of local law enforcement so that they are able to enforce it, really enforced the law and get these criminals off the streets.
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Clay Travis
We're talking to Senator Marsha Blackburn, who has announced yesterday that she is running for governor of Tennessee. You are going to remain in the Senate while this campaign continues. You reference Senator Hagerty and all the work there. I know Buck talked to you about this. Buck is out with his family for the weekend. But, but I told him that I would ask you about it. There is a huge shortage of good pilots, as I'm sure you are aware. And this has been a major discussion. And there right now is a retirement age for pilots that's mandatory. My understanding, even though many of the pilots are still incredibly skilled, they're able to do the job, they're able to pass all the tests. What can we do? And certainly this has been a big topic of conversation after the unfortunate, awful incident that happened in the D.C. area where so many people lost their lives. What can we do to ensure that the best pilots can continue to pilot for us going forward? What's the latest on that?
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Marsha Blackburn
Yes, and Buck and I discussed the legislation that I have that raises the retirement Age for pilots. What has happened? Pilots are pushed out of the cockpit on commercial flights when they turn 65, the day they turn 65. Now, it's sort of silly to believe that. At 64, they are capable, but when the clock ticks over on that day of their birthday, they are no longer capable to fly. So what pilots are doing is working for charter flights and working for corporations once they hit that retirement age. So raising that retirement age so they can stay in the cockpit as long as they are meeting the medical test and the health requirements for a pilot and having them, instead of once a year, twice a year, do those medical checks. But everybody knows we need more pilots. I mean, my goodness, so many of us have raced to the airport and gotten through security and we make it to the gate with kids and luggage in tow, and then we find out that we're waiting on the crew. The plane is there, but the crew is not there. So we're delayed 15, 30 minutes, an hour, waiting for the crew. And we're worried about making the connection on the next flight so we can get to the destination. So a way to help solve that is by increasing this age by which pilots are allowed to stay in the cockpit. It's a good piece of legislation. And you're right, there are a lot of good things that we're working on and we'll continue to work on until we get sworn in as governor. And our Kids Online Safety Act, a privacy bill for consumers in the virtual space, we have never done that. Those need to be passed. We have legislation to protect people from AI and in some of those arms to put some guardrails in place. We need to do that. We're going to continue working to confirm good judges, constitutional originalist judges to the court. That will be on our plate. Our community care for veterans is something we've made a tremendous amount of headway on this year, and we are continuing to push that so veterans get the care they need, where they need it, when they need it, without having to drive two or three hours to the VA hospital and sit in the waiting room and wait half the day. So we're making headway on community care. Our moving agencies out of D.C. we're making headway there. Secretary McMahon at the Department of Education is really devolving that and removing it. You've got the usda, Secretary Rollins, where our work there, they've moved about half the USDA staff out of D.C. and those jobs are now in regional offices across the country. So we've got a lot on our plate. We are working every single day solving problems for Tennesseans and doing our best to make certain that America is going to be running on this America first agenda and that we are going to make Tennessee America's conservative leader in this work that we are doing with President Trump.
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Clay Travis
If people want to support your campaign, where should they go?
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Marsha Blackburn
Marshall Blackburn.com we would love to have their support. We're working hard every day to earn the support of each and every Tennessee and outstanding.
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Clay Travis
We appreciate the time. Good luck on the campaign and congrats on the announcement.
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Marsha Blackburn
Thanks so much. See you, Clay. Bye Bye.
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Clay Travis
Thank you. That is Senator Marsha Blackburn, who I think will be the next governor of the state of Tennessee. We'll take some of your calls, some of your talkbacks coming forward. Reminder, we're headed to North Carolina for the big Senate race there with Michael Whatley in the next hour and then down to South Carolina with Senator Tim Scott in the next couple of hours ahead. In the meantime, Allie Dwyer and her three sons lost their hero, Stephen. Serving our country in the United States army with Stephen's calling and flying helicopters was his passion. He died in a Black Hawk helicopter crash over the Mediterranean Sea. He was awarded the Bronze Star Medal, the Meritorious Service Medal and the Air Medal with Combat device, among many others. For his service, Ali says Stephen will always be the love of her life and her boy's real life superhero they're proud to call Daddy thanks to friends like you. Tunnel the Towers helped this family with a mortgage free home, giving them security and hope in the darkest of hours total. Towers provides mortgage free homes for families of our country's fallen heroes and builds specially adapted smart homes for severely injured heroes. The foundation's also committed to eradicating homelessness among our veterans and and helping our nation keep its vow to never forget. 911 help more families like the Dwyers. Join us in donating 11amonth to tunnel the towers@t2t.org that's t the number 2t.org.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay Travis BUCK Sexton show. Appreciate all of you rolling through with us. Appreciate Marsha Blackburn there with us on the last segment. There's a lot of great reactions rolling in variety of different subjects. Bo writes in until city, states and federal government make parents responsible for what their under 18 kids do, crime will not be abated. If parents could be arrested and jailed for the unlawful acts of their children, then maybe things will change. Okay, this is a complicated subject, right. Because what we have actually seen is the parents that are getting charged are typically related to gun crime. I got three kids. I think if one of my kids at under 18 ran around with a gun and was shooting it, I happen to think that I should be responsible as a parent for that civilly. That would likely be the case. Right. I think this is a really kind of fascinating question. I think it's complex, but I appreciate Beau writing it in on the VIP email line civilly. So let me just kind of walk you through this. If, if your kid is driving around in a car and they get in an accident and they are 16 years old and they're at fault, mom and dad get sued. Everybody out there that has ever had a 16 year old car driver knows that is the case. 16 year old is a minor driving typically under a parent's car that they have purchased in some way. Parents paying for car insurance, that's very common. If a 16 year old takes a gun and mows down 10 people, typically the parent could be sued civilly and would be in a wrongful death lawsuit. You could be responsible for millions of dollars in damages, but you're typically not criminally responsible. Now that has changed. I think it was Oxford, Michigan where they prosecuted the parents of a school shooter because they were aware the kid had a gun. There were aspects of his behavior that the parents should have been aware of. I, I think that that is not a crazy idea. Okay. Generally speaking. I think that's not a crazy idea. I think what you will see is a lot of parents will say, oh, I had no idea. But shouldn't you be aware as a parent if your kid has access to firearms and has mental health related issues? I think you should. And so I think that turns into a very complicated issue. Actually. I'm curious. 2A21-800-282-2882. What do you guys think about that? I definitely think we need to attack violent crime, underage crime. Judge Jeanine has an interesting idea I'm going to play for you when we come back. Associated with that, we will also talk about the census and how it should be applied. My one concern when it comes to charging parents is they're going to charge parents that are that are gun owners oftentimes and not people out there who just have stolen guns. Let's talk about it. This is an iHeart podcast.